Fake Doctors, Real Friends with Zach and Donald - Real Friends Classic - 314: My Screw Up with Joshua Radin

Episode Date: January 10, 2023

On this weeks episode, Cox has a hard time saying goodbye to his best friend. In the real world, Joshua Radin joins Zach and Donald to discuss how his first song rocked the world through Scrubs, and he plays that song live in studio for you.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Queer Chronicles on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your most fabulous shows. And here he is, America's favorite Faison, Donald Faison. What were you guys just talking about? We were talking about Oculus, but I don't want to talk about it anymore because we already gave them a seven-minute ad today. Did we give – did that make you jump? Well, okay, we can talk about it a little bit.

Joelle tried the paint game. Joelle, how'd it go? It was so cool. I really liked the star-like thing. That was great. You can't see stars where I live in Los Angeles but I'm from the country where the corn grows and I miss the stars

and so I just spent like 20 minutes in there just stargazing and then I found out you could get like a dress bust you know where they like pin all the clothes to it so that you can like design clothes with the light and different textures they have. So I made pretty dresses for 20 minutes this morning.

Oh, I didn't know you could make clothes. I gotta try that. It was fun as hell. And then, yeah, walking around in your own design and some of the colors will flash and do pretty rainbow things. It's very, if you were a Lisa Frank person, enjoy this app. you can be your

own lisa frank i don't know who lisa frank is oh my god okay in the 90s lisa frank made like trapper keepers and binders and folders but they were all like neon tigers and elephants and dolphins dolphins were huge just beautiful beautiful stuff but all the girls in the 90s had lisa frank binders and such oh got it hey did you get more instagram followers because i blew up your hot picture that you posted i did i think maybe a thousand more people maybe a thousand yeah that's wow that's a lot i i was gonna i was gonna write something like you know only slide into her dms if you mean business but then i said i'm just gonna not don't don't don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. I was worried she'd get dick pics, so I didn't.

Yeah. We just censored the, uh, I don't really answer to the IG. You know what's interesting? Do you go through, like, all of your emails, Joelle? My emails? Yes. Not your emails, your DMs. I'm sorry. When people DM you.

I'll scroll through them because sometimes people have very lovely things to say and they're like i don't know how else to reach you but i just want to say blah and i'm like oh my god that's so nice thank you uh if you're sending me a picture they're all blurred out i don't know what they say i can't see them i don't look at them they're probably there's a couple i've opened a few and been like that's a scrotum and i don't want it and you know you've move right past it. What is it with men sending dicks? I mean, it's obviously just a fucking power thing.

But I never understood, like, what do they think the responses they're going to get from sending a picture of their dick? I want to put it in my mouth. They're never going to get that. I mean, if you're the one woman in the world or man who's responded, mm, looks good, then you've ruined it for everybody

because people keep sending tickets. A lot of people gave me shit for eating popcorn yesterday. I'm sorry, everybody. I'm sorry. It was so loud. You edited some of it out, Daniel? Yeah, I had to cut some of it out.

Some of it was very explicitly. I'm sorry. Daniel, what happened to it out, Daniel? Yeah, I mean, I had to cut some of it out. Some of it was very explicit. I'm sorry. Daniel, what happened to your webcam, man? It's not working right now. I just want the audience to know that Daniel bought a very fancy webcam because he's Mr. Computer Guy, and we can't see him because it doesn't work. I want my stream to look better. All it says is Image Edge Webcam.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're literally promoting Imaging Edge Webcam. I would tell you, if you're out in the market for a webcam, don't get an Imaging Edge one. It's fucking broken. Hey, Daniel, do you want to plug your stream? Since I gave Joelle a a shout out for Instagram, what is your streaming thing that people can watch you play?

I stream on Twitch at twitch.tv slash DJ underscore Daniel, like my Twitter handle. I stream on Wednesdays and Sunday nights, 7 p.m. onward. And what game do you play? Yeah, what game? Play everything. Playing a lot of the new season of Fall Guys. There's a brand new GTA 5 heist that came

out today. I play a lot of Among Us. That GTA heist looks fire, dude. It looks really fun. I haven't played GTA or Red Dead in about a year now since I got home and COVID happened.

And you can't just immerse yourself in these worlds for hours when you got a seven-year-old and a five-year-old running around. Of course, of course. But- You used to be a big GTA guy. He was addicted. Even while we were making scrubs, you were playing. Dude, GTA got to- Well, I wonder how they're going to address it with the PS...

What is it? A 5 now? The PS5? Yeah. Yeah, and the Xbox. What is it? Xbox? Xbox Series X.

Whatever it is, right. Yeah, yeah. There's so many consoles. But anyway, I wonder how they're going to address that because the graphics and the fluidity of the original were always fire anyway like you could do everything and anything in gta you can fly you can rob somebody they even made it so you could rob banks and stuff like that like things yeah it gets to it it's high level uh you know scum and villainy villain however he said scum and villainy yeah

it's high level. How do they address that? How do they address that with the new consoles? How do they make it? How do you make it more realistic then is the question? And can you make it virtual?

Like, what would be fire for these games now is if, what's the thing that they had in that movie where the boy jumped on the treadmill and could run in any movie where the boy jumped on the treadmill

and could run in any direction? If you could create, yeah. Oh, Ready Player One you're talking about? The Omnitrack thing, sure. I love that. First of all, I love that. They do? Yeah, they have things like-

I know they got the vest. I know they got the vest. No, you put like wheeled sneakers on and you walk around in this circle rig. Right, Daniel? You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Oh, absolutely.

What's it called? I think it's called like an Omni track. You have like a little waist thing that goes around you and then it's like a treadmill that just moves in any direction. They're very cool. That would be a really cool – but I don't know how you would, that would be really cool if you could figure out a way to actually jump into the universe like in Ready Player One. That's next, obviously. Totally. We're so far away from that.

I don't think we're that far away from it. I mean, just messing around with the Oculus 2 now, I'm seeing we're not far away from it. All right, we should get to the show because people don't want to hear another long VR conversation, I'm sure. It's just so, listen, for all of you out there, I'm just saying. They've got the PS5s and the Xbox, whatever it is, but I'm telling you that Oculus, man. All right. It's a very special show. It is an amazing – first of all, it's an amazing show.

I did not know. I did not know how emotional I was going to get at the end of this. You hit me up and you were like, yo, it's my screw up. Yeah. Should we have Raiden on? And immediately I was like, oh, snap, we're already at the Raiden episode. Well, listen, I had thought since we started, here's the thing about my screw up. It's a lot of people's favorite episodes.

It's one of the highest ranking episodes in terms of like the way they rank people, fans rank things on tv.com. It's ranked, I read, it's tied for highest with an episode called My Lunch from season five. So it is a lot of people's favorite episode. We had planned to have Brendan on, we had planned to have Johnny on, but you know, between COVID and the holidays and our schedules, everything's all fakakied. So I just said to Donald, why don't we have Josh Radin on? Because Josh Radin, for those of you who don't know, wrote the song Winter that plays at the end of the show, and that song launched his entire career. It broke him. It broke him. Literally, it broke him. It turned him into the Josh Radin that... Listen, man, I remember going to see Josh Raiden. Wait, wait, let's save it. Let's invite him in.

Daniel, is he here? Save all the good shit. Bring him in. Let's see what he looks like. Oh, there he is! Thunderous applause, Daniel. Thunderous applause for Joshua Raiden! Joshua Raiden! Okay, someone's had some coffee someone's had some coffee he's barking have we this is my first podcast that are we have we started oh it's already begun we did a whole

we did we've been talking about you on the podcast it's happening all right and we're back in everybody uh we we had a very interesting thing we edited out, trying to educate a professional magician how to record himself. Josh, why do you not know? Did you just call him a magician? A musician. How come, Josh, you don't know how to record yourself? I've never been called intelligent.

We're so happy you're here, everybody. So if you don't know, Joshua Radin is my friend from Northwestern. And he also is my friend. He's my friend. I introduced him to Donald Faison. One Vegas trip. That's all it took. Even before Vegas, though.

We met in New York. We met in New York, dude. You and Jeff Zucker noogies. I know. We met in New York. Josh, you were there that night. Back when you had a whole nother life New York. Josh, you were there that night. Back when you had a whole nother life, man.

Back before you were a musician. Back when you were dating another girl. Now you're freaking a freaking, I'm going to say it, you're a playboy, dog. You're a true play. You're a rock star, man. I don't know. Do you know how hard it is to be single in a pandemic? Oh, I know.

I feel for him, dude. He's doing this all alone. You can't date. And Joel knows you can't date during COVID and die. Absolutely not. Yeah, but you could set up so much stuff for when COVID's over. Just play that music, baby. Well, you can. You got the gift, man.

You got the voice and you got the guitar. That is all you need. I know, but still. That shit will be put on layaway there'll be people out there that'll be like okay i will wait until 2022 to give up very kind of some of this good stuff one thing to be like laying foundation joelle i'm sure is laying some foundation right joelle you're flirting too a little bit i I work. No. We are working. We are getting things done. She's like, I get the job done.

One thing at a time. I work. I know, but I just think, I don't know. I get the job done. Thank you. Well, anyway, so Josh, you met Dom for the first time, our infamous big night. Josh was my great friend in New York, and then I got Scrubs, and we went through it all together.

We went through the life change. Right, Josh? I watched some pretty hilarious things. Yeah. And Donald and I were instantly inseparable and Josh was there with us through many an adventure. Listen, man.

Watching your best friend become famous is a very interesting thing. And vice versa, dude. And vice versa. No, I mean, when I say famous, I mean the kind of famous that we'd walk down the street in New York. And sometimes I would walk like, you know, 10 feet behind Zach through the city just to watch people right after they pass him go, oh, my God, that was Zach Braff. Oh, my God, it's the guy from Scrubs. You know, it was so funny to watch people's reactions to see. i still do that to myself in real time it was cool just to piggyback on that you know

josh at least i could say for myself i remember going to like the hotel cafe or to like you know i guess yeah just the hotel cafe really And it being empty and it just being me, Zach, Mandy Moore and Minka Kelly. And that was it in the, in the audience watching you perform. And you would go on after like some other act and some other act, and then it would be just you and you'd get to do like three songs and we'd wait the whole night for you to go up and perform, And you'd get to do like three songs and we'd wait the whole night for you to go up and perform, dude. And that shit. And now and then so and then so it blew my mind. And I'm going to say this, you know, it's great that, you know, the music was on Scrubs and everything like that. But there was still struggle after the music was on Scrubs and people don't really know that shit.

You know, the song was bought and everything like that. But, you know, it wasn't like, you know, it wasn't like an overnight, all of a sudden, instant thing. You know what I mean? I'm still waiting for that big break. Well, Josh, tell everyone. Do we ever count in? I forgot. Five, six, seven, eight.

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Did you guys see that? Josh Radin hijacking the five seconds. Usually the guests wait for permission, but no, Josh. We call our longtime listeners Zach. Tell everyone, actually, Josh is one of my few friends. Josh and my girlfriend's mom are the only people left in my life that still listen to the podcast. Your mom doesn't listen anymore? I don't think my mom, well, she might, but she doesn't mention it.

Carrie Brothers mentioned I was on Marc Maron's podcast. He's like, loved you on Marc Maron's podcast. He doesn't bring up this podcast anymore. Ever. But Josh Radin often listens when he's hiking, as I understand it. Right, Josh? I know Johnny still listens to the podcast. Well, actually, your podcast for the, well, I i've told you this but i'll tell your listeners um right when the world shut down uh i live here in la as you guys

do and uh i live up in the hills and there's all these like stone stairs that go through the hills these secret stone stairs that i covid got me so scared that i wanted to get uh in good cardiovascular shape because obviously the better shape you're in for a respiratory disease, the better off you are. So I started running up and down these stairs every morning and the podcast was the only thing that got me through it. Well, that's great. We've had a lot of people say they exercised and it inspired them and that makes us very

happy. I do have to say- Also because I didn't get to see you guys for so long until we formed a pod, and then I could see you in our backyards. They're just our few tightest friends. But it was like I went a good six weeks, seven weeks, without seeing one single person, just sitting in my house by myself. And so listening to you guys talk twice a week just saved my life, really.

We don't ever talk about that type of stuff. Being by yourself for six weeks, Josh, other than, I guess, FaceTiming. How did you cope with that when COVID first hit? Joel, you have your brother with you, right? Yeah, Joel has her brother. Josh was totally alone. You were dolo. Basically, it's it's

interesting the um i finished my european tour i was mid-january to mid-february this this year in a different city in europe every day like hugging people shaking hands you know meeting so many different people every day right when covid was kind of like starting but it wasn't a big thing yet people were like oh, oh, what's this? And so I got really sick for the whole month of that tour. I had this weird throat infection. But it was before we knew really what it was. And then I finally just got over it.

But it culminated in Italy in mid-February, which was one of the hot spots. Wow, which is one of the hot spots. Well, right then, I mean, I was like, I had to postpone a show in Rome because I lost my voice. And anyway, so I think I had it, but I don't really know. Everybody has that story, right? Everybody has that. I think I had it. I don't have that.

I don't think I had it. But Josh, did you get the antibody test or did it go away? I went into our doctor. As you know, we share a doctor. And I got the antibodies test, but it was like six months later. And he said, we don't even know if these tests are gonna give a false positive or false negative we don't you know the antibodies my only last two or three months you know something turns out I didn't have them

after all that time but my point I was making was that right I just finished touring this new album all of it and I thought to myself I'm gonna go home and sit in my house by myself and write a new album and not see anyone for like three months. And then it's basically going to turn into a year and a half of not seeing anyone. But I did. Well, we at least folded you into our pod so we can see you. We see you.

You're going to come over for Jesus's birthday. That's true. And neither one of you, you both are freaking, Yahweh is looking down on you two like. No, Yahweh's down for us to celebrate a very nice Jewish man's birthday. Yeah, also Zach's girlfriend is not Jewish and is a huge Christmas lover. Yeah, she's very into it. So we're going to be very supportive of her first Christmas in LA. I wanted to say that. You give up your identity. Yeah, she's very into it. So we're going to be very supportive of her first Christmas in L.A.

I wanted to say that Josh – You give up your identity. You hate your own people, you two. You hate your own people. Josh is skimming over the fact that he didn't just get in respiratory shape. He got in the sickest shape I've ever seen him in since – Yeah, he had abs. No, he's got the C gutters, dude.

He's got the whole thing. I know. I saw him. Oh, wait. Joel, you don't like the word C gutter? No, she's got the sea gutters, dude. He's got the whole thing. I know. I saw him. Oh, wait. Joel, you don't like the word sea gutter? No, she shook her head. No, I do not. Okay, sorry.

I'm going to use it all the time. What is a sea gutter? I just want to know, what is a sea gutter? I don't want to say it in front of Joel. Joel, can you take your headphones off for a second? Okay, all right. Go ahead. All right, Joel took her headphones off.

They call them cum gutters, and it's under the abs right here, like the V, and theoretically, I'm sorry, earmuffs if you're in the car with your kids, but it's where the semen would likely gather like a gutter. Okay, so. All right, Joelle, put your headphones back on. Hold on. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, J-Will, put your head up. Hold on. Hold on. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

You don't necessarily have to be in shape. She's okay. She's a grown-ass woman. You don't necessarily have to be in shape to have... Yes, you do. The kind Josh has. I'm talking Brad... I'm talking Brad Pitt in Fight Club V.

Wait, is this... He could catch it in all of his... He could catch it in all of his he could catch it in all of his we'll trade in this podcast it's all just audio right it's just audio show us yeah show show josh and show this see those this motherfucker look at this that shit yo you didn't know that donald i didn't know that the last time i saw him he was kind of getting into shit. Dude, he looks like that now.

Thanks to us. Thanks to our podcast. What do you got? The Peloton? No, you got the stairs. You got the stairs. He hikes every day. You got the stairs.

There's more than that, though. You can't just hike and get abs like that, dog. He changes his whole diet. He changes his whole diet. I don't know where I would put a Peloton in my house. I'd have to put it outside. I don't think you can do that because then I could ride. You in dog.

What you eating? You're not eating. He doesn't, he doesn't smoke weed. He doesn't smoke weed. Cause it gives him money. You stopped smoking weed. Yeah.

I've been eating healthy. You smoking cigarettes? No, I haven't smoked cigarettes in years. Good. Josh was a big smoker and ladies and gentlemen, he is proof that a hypnotist can work because he went to a hypnotist once and never smoked again.

Right, Josh? You know, I didn't have a drag of a cigarette after that for about 10 years. And then I went through a bad breakup with my ex-girlfriend and started a little bit again. And then. No, but the hypnotist worked, Josh. Speaking of bad breakups. He probably doesn't want to talk about his break no but speaking of bad breakups let's just get into the song now then ladies and gentlemen paperweight

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Josh's music. All right, we got to go back. We're being bad interviewers here. We're jumping around. I got distracted by his sea gutters. Now, Josh. Josh, tell everyone the story.

So, Josh, I mean, just give everyone a Cliff Notes version of your trajectory because you were a screenwriter in you were a screenwriter in manhattan with with you and i were became friendly being young aspiring writers in manhattan and then just give everyone some some some bullet points of what happened to you well yeah uh i was a struggling screenwriter um i had i was waiting tables and doing you know catering gigs and things like that in New York, like starving artists sort of stuff. And then I'd go down to the cafe every morning, and when I wasn't working some other gig and write screenplays, I had written like six features, and you and I would give each other notes. I remember the first incarnation of Garden State when it was called Large's Arc, and it was was 60 pages longer

than what it ended up becoming. But I remember when you gave that to me after you had read a couple of mine and I was like, I was writing like big budget romantic comedies or, you know, things that might maybe like a Will Ferrell or Ben Stiller at the time. I was like, that would if I could get guys like that. And you gave me the largest arc to read and to give you notes, and I just remember thinking, this is like real. This is making me feel something. I'm not doing it right. And I just sort of felt like it sort of inspired me to – I had never played music in my whole life.

I had never grown up playing music or taking any instrument lessons or anything like that. And so I was about to turn 30 years old and I was struggling as an artist. And I just thought, maybe I'm doing these things for the wrong reasons. I'm trying to write these screenplays to sell them rather than like writing what I know or writing what I'm really passionate about or making myself vulnerable in some way with my writing. And so I started playing guitar and learning a few chords and learned a few covers. And then I knew enough chords on the guitar after learning a couple of

Dylan songs that I was like well I'm a writer I maybe I'll try to write my own song and I wrote this this song winter was the first song I wrote and I remember we were sitting and you and I were sitting in my apartment in the East Village in New York and you saw a guitar in my living room sitting up against the wall and you were like I didn't know you play guitar and I was was like, well, I don't really play. I mean, I'm just kind of learning. And I learned a few chords and a few cover songs. And you said, well, play me something. I was like, oh, I could never do that. At the time, I couldn't even open my eyes when I was playing a song. I was so nervous

to play in front of anybody. Anyway, so I made you turn around. I don't know if you remember. I do remember that. You said, don't look at me. Don't you look at me. Wow. And I remember this vividly. I played this song, Winter, and you turned around, and your eyes were like a little watery,

and it had affected you. And I was like, wow, that's cool. Nothing I've written in terms of screenplays or paintings I've painted or anything like that, I'd ever seen that kind of response from someone other than my mom or dad. And so coming from a dear friend, that was really cool. And it sort of, I don't know. I remember you said to me, I really love that song. You should probably maybe make a demo of it or something you know scrubs and bill is bill and christopher they're always looking for uh new music especially the music that they can afford because at the time

it wasn't syncs it wasn't like it is now you wouldn't turn on the tv and hear a stone song or a beatles song or something that. They were way too expensive. It was pre-streaming, so people were still making money in the music industry. Right. Big legendary. So it was a good time for – at the time we were making Scrubs was an amazing time for singer-songwriters like Josh because, like he said, the big famous songs, they might splurge a couple times as Bill did in this show and pay for a big song.

But in Josh's, you know, it was a great opening for a singer songwriter because they were moving and beautiful, but gettable and affordable. So essentially it was the gold rush for people like me. So we moved all these musicians moved from New York out to LA where the music supervisors and the TV shows and the movies are made. musicians moved from New York out to LA where the music supervisors and the TV shows and the movies are made. And I'd play in this little place called the, oh, sorry, but I skipped over this part where the most important part actually, because it has to do with Scrubs. So you said, you know, maybe make a demo of that song. So I went in to carry Brothers, our other best friend, into his bedroom. He had a little Pro Tools rig on an old Mac. And I just played it live and then recorded a harmony over it.

I mean, as demo as you can get. There's no mixing, no mastering, nothing. Like, no. It's one take. And sent the demo to you. You forwarded it on to Bill Lawrence. And like, I don't know, like two, three weeks later, I get a call from Bill and he's like, hey, do you mind if I,

that song works perfectly in this episode. Do you mind if we use it? And I was like, are you kidding? This is the first song he'd ever written that was only recorded just with a mic and a guitar on Pro Tools, nothing else, except for one track of Harmony. Pro Tools back then, it was like,

Kerry didn't have like a real studio. This was like a little rig. so the recording we hear in the show is just you and carrie's bedroom yeah on a 58 mic um like i mean as basic as you can get well and then i'll take it from there i just this this section i remember i always was playing music for bill and uh he flipped out over this. I had no idea this would become such a popular episode, but it was obviously – became enormous. And then everyone started searching for Josh's music. But the thing is, he didn't have any songs. He only had one song.

Right? I remember Carrie, when it was airing Carrie's like you need a MySpace page you know so if people search for you or whatever so I didn't I was even more computer illiterate back then although nothing's really changed and so Carrie set up

my MySpace page it was or a little website which is a picture of me and a link where you could just listen to Winter the demo and it was really cool because Bill told me afterwards and which is a picture of me and a link where you could just listen to winter, the demo. And it was really cool because Bill told me afterwards and you told me afterwards that after the show aired, well, you guys were on NBC then before you had switched to ABC. So the NBC website crashed after the episode aired from so many people around

the world trying to find out where to get that song or whose song that was. Oh my God. Well, there goes screenwritingwriting i'm moving to la and becoming a musician yeah that's so i got goosebumps when you told me that just now that was that's such a great story i mean yeah and and it's just like it's like when susan boyle came out and sang les mis you know everyone was like oh my god what i hear i didn't hear what you said i didn't i didn't i don't get the susan boyle uh susan boyle was that i know i know who she is i just don't understand how well it was so moving and it was one of those moments where i'm very moved as i'm sure the world is because these shows are so popular when someone comes out and it's susan boyle and you're not expecting it and they have a voice that makes you uh just your jaw drop, and you clutch your head like,

oh my God, where has this woman been? It's so moving, she can perform like that. And I'm just saying, it reminded me of Josh, being like, he's 30 years old, he hasn't sold a screenplay, he was going through a bad breakup, and all of a sudden, his entire life changed, because he had the courage to write his very first song and the talent well and i so happened to be best friends with a guy

who's a star of a tv show looking for music so i mean it's a combination of as most people will tell you in the entertainment business is it's a combination of of talent and and work um but also who you know and um of course of course but but but Of course. All those things line up. Of course, access is key. But still, Bill wouldn't have even listened to four seconds of my friend's shitty song.

I will also say that even after that episode aired and we're talking about it, it wasn't like this overnight thing where all of a sudden I was like a rock star. I remember the days. After that episode aired and we're talking about it wasn't like this overnight thing where all of a sudden I was like a rock star. It was like. Man, I remember. I remember the days. I mean, it was brick by brick still.

I mean, 16 years later and it's still like your music industry gets hurt every year. But you are able to make a living as an artist. And so you are blessed as we all are in that way. And in normal times josh tours all over the world so you should always look uh where what's your website we'll get your plug in now josh what's the website to search for where you tour and shit well uh joshuarayden.com and rayden is spelled r-a-d-i-n that's correct and then what do you do josh you've been doing this we're going to talk about the episode, everyone. Stop freaking out.

Josh, you're doing this interesting thing now. You're doing sort of private home concerts. How do people find out about that? On my website, you can see it. It's just a link. It's a company called Topeka Live that started when this pandemic

started. It was just some guys I knew that started this company to help musicians kind of engage with their audiences all over the world and play live through these uh zoom shows um so i've been doing that a lot this year um so you can like have a you could have a zoom part like if your friends all love josh you could have like a zoom party and josh will you hire josh to come play or you can even just have a song with your with your lover it's a bunch of different options and uh it's it's been very it's i might i might get paperweight for me and donald how much you donald do you want to do you want to split that with me it's pretty cool because the company uh a portion of every uh zoom

whether it's a serenade that's like one song and you get like a chat 15 minutes or it's like a 45 little minute mini concert. You get like six songs. You request the songs, whatever we chat, you can do like six different windows of zooms of people all over the world. How much for you to show your sea gutters? Is that,

is there an option for that? All options for that. Maybe just for, for, for Zach and Donald. Wait, hold up. Do you have an OnlyFans,

Josh? Do I have what? An OnlyFans? I'm not sure what that is. Okay, you need to get you an OnlyFans, dog. You need to get you an OnlyFans right away. I was going to say, what also is cool about this Topeka Live is that a portion of everything that people purchase

goes to this really cool charity that helps families get out of poverty. So it's like a win-win for everybody. That's really awesome. But you need to get an OnlyFans. Yeah, we want everyone's everyone wants to see OnlyFans will allow you to show nudes and let all your fans really enjoy all of you.

Like if you're going to show sea gutters, if you're going to show sea gutters, get you an OnlyFans. All right, let's talk. Donald, are you ready with your summary? Josh, we're going to let you sit in. Let's do it. Because you're a VIP guest as we discuss the episode. Donald, as you know from being... I discussed the episode.

Am I allowed to talk? Yes. Yes, of course. We want your input. Okay? Here we go. Okay, wait. Let me get my timer, my stopwatch. Reset and go. Carla's keeping her last name. Turk's mole is alive. Dr. Clocks blames JD for the death of a

patient. And Elliot's bunion is nightmarish. This episode is a lot, so it's hard to summarize in 30 seconds. Brendan Fraser and Tara Reid are back, and all of our characters' storylines blend together and intertwine. Other than the obvious, one storyline really stood out for me. Who are we when we show ourselves to the world? Are you your true self,

or do you hide behind a persona? It's always a pleasant surprise when you get a positive reaction from a negative person. Kelso storyline really softens you up before the big reveal at the end of the show. Yeah, that's true. 46 seconds for that one guy making the graph every day of how long Donald is. That one guy can lick my,

my, my, uh, your, your taint, but, but he's not, um,

it's not a negative thing, Donald. He's just doing an artful graph of how long you've been. Yeah, but the way you're using him to criticize me makes me want to tell him. To eat a dick? Yeah, you know, that's sometimes. Poor guy, he's just making a graph. All right, listen. It's a legendary episode, guys.

um all right listen um it's a legendary episode guys um i gotta say in in in my 8.5 years on this show um this is the one that people bring up most to me i think right donald would you say that i get this i get this one a lot in the musical episode it's like it's like the sixth sense is that the right yeah i think that bill has said that was an inspiration, obviously. It is the, because once you see it happen, you get it automatically. Like you see when it all goes down. We are watching it now. Watching it, right, watching it now. The first time you watch it, you don't necessarily pick up on it. I have to admit, I don't think I'd ever gone back.

Like Donald and I have said, we never really, we'd occasionally watch these when, I don't know about you, but I would watch them maybe when they aired and then I eventually stopped. And I obviously saw cuts of the ones I directed. I would probably see them all up until 9, but I never saw them again. And so this one, now watching, knowing what you know about Ben is really interesting. It's really fun to watch. I reckon if you're not watching these as we go back, this would be the one to do it because once once you know the ben reveal it's fun to watch it knowing what you know it really is because when it happens you automatically know exactly what jd's talking about first of all jd's kind of like uh real cavalier about telling him about it too but also i was gonna say that i didn't i i had trouble

with the fact that jd is cavalier through the rest of the episode he's kind of like joking around and meanwhile his hero's best friend just died and he was at the helm yeah yeah yeah and it so that was that was really interesting to me i was like wow that a... I know they have to throw a misdirect in there somehow. I guess this is the way to do it. Because if JD's affected by this screw-up, then we know that it's more than just... We'll know it's more than just the old guy that died. It's got to be something bigger.

It's really masterfully done. Directed by Chris Koch and written by Garrick Donovan and Neil Goldman. The writing and direction are pretty amazing. So let's go to the top. This aired, by the way, on February 24th, 2004. Wow. Just if you want to think about your life 16 years ago. 16 years ago. What were you doing February 24, 2004, listener? The divorce was in effect. I was in a courtroom. You were in the throes. Oh, you were in courtroom times.

This is like we are doing it now. I had moved out by this point. My film came out. Garden State came out in 2004. After this, though. Yeah, it was, I think, fall or, or must've been October-ish or maybe the summer. Was this, this was our biggest season too, right? I think season two was the highest ranked. I don't know. Joelle, can you look that up for us? What was the highest ranked season? I believe I read on, on Scrubs Wiki. By the way, Scrubs Wiki, you guys know I always talk about it,

but it's got a lot for this episode if you're into that sort of thing, if you want to do a deep dive on interpretations of all the – they have so many moments that I don't even know if Bill thought of or Neil and Garrett, but there's like, why is that poster behind Ben? It must mean da-da-da. Anyway, Mickhead, more important than anything, Mickhead has his first line, Donald. Thanks, Nurse Espinoza.

Yeah, he doesn't say, that's it. And then he walks away. That was his audition. That was his audition, pretty much. That was like, can you deliver this line? Now, we know the characters just come back from huffing paint rehab. Yeah, for huffing paint.

Which he'll never do again. Which he'll never do again which he'll never do again well he looks pretty healthy um you know he's he's just back from huffing paint rehab and then he um and and he's but he's he's pretty he's back to being a doctor he's he looks like he's all right he says thanks nurse espinoza pretty well do does does people know do people know that that's mick head yet have people put two and two together like we know because we know frank and we know that he played mickhead right but has the audience put two and two together yet has the audience said oh that's the mickhead character i don't know we talk about

mickhead but i don't know that they know that that's mickhead that that's mickhead because when i realized that that was mickhead and i'm on the freaking show. Right. When I realized that was Mickhead was when he tried to kill his wife. That's much later. Way later. That's years later. He must have had a huffing paint relapse. Something must have happened, right? God, huffing paint is such a bizarre addiction.

How did that happen? Who was like, I'm going to spray all this paint in this bag. All right. I'm going to put it in this bag. And then I'm going to try and breathe all of the paint in the bag into my motherfucking nose. Yeah. And I'm going to try. I'm going to breathe and breathe and breathe and breathe and breathe.

I'm going to see what happens. But it's addicting. What motherfucker was just sitting there like. It's bizarre that it's addicting. One thing to get you high but to be like let me go get some fucking blue right i need more paint um all right so joelle just told us in the chat that season two was the highest rated followed by season three so your wife's not taking your name now this happened in your real life because uh your didn't take your name. Did that upset you? Well, it was kind of like a sabotage thing with me.

So with this, she's telling him way before the wedding. So there's like a cushion. He has an opportunity to be like, well, I don't want to do this. Or he can say, you know what, he can get over it. And I will, you know, I'm going to go turkey. We'll go through it. With my wife, we were at the courthouse signing the license. And I'm like, Donald Faison, and her name is going to be Casey.

And she goes, Cobb. Oh, shit. And I was like, no. But this is the marriage part. We're going Casey Faison. This is the courthouse. This is the time and the place. And they're like, no, we're going to.

She was like, cop. She's like, but what I will do is I'll make it so that if I do decide to change it, we don't have to go through all of this legal paperwork and stuff like that. It's like a one sign thing. And then she can change her name. Like to change your last name after the marriage thing is like this whole big thing. But if you do a couple of things while you're there, you can make it a little bit less strenuous to change your last name. So she dangled it.

She dangled it in front of me to keep me from saying, well, fuck this shit. I don't want to get married then. Oh, shit. She was like, no, no, no, no, no. Wait, before you get all upset and all puffy chest, here is what I'm going to do for you. There's a possibility that I'll change it later. I'll make it so that it's not a problem for me to do that.

Okay. Well, you know, I... It's complicated, right? No, I like that old tradition. I understand why women are more and more over it. Like, you don't own me. why am i taking your fucking name but i i i think that there's um i i guess there's it's one old school tradition i really liked but it's not it's not up to the man anymore it's very calm uh i have quite a few friends as you know i spent a lot of time in Sweden over the last 12, 13 years.

Yeah, for sure. From Sweden. I know a lot of Swedish guys that are friends of mine that got married and took their wives' names. Wow. You heard him correctly, though. Yeah. So I'm just going to start calling you Donald Cobb. Donald Cobb.

By the way, I'm going to call you Donald Cobb from now on. I already got a white person's last name. I don't need another white person's last name. I feel like if your name was Donnie Cobb. I already got another white person's last name. I'm good. Faison is a white name? Are you fucking kidding me? What about Frankie Faison? That sounds African to you. What about Frankie Faison?

That just means we came from the same plantation, Joshua Radin. Come on now. Come onin. Come on now. Come on now. Come on now. Y'all don't know this. Y'all don't know. Wait, hold on now. How come there ain't no black Washingtons? How come there ain't no white Washingtons? How come there ain't no white Jeffersons? You know a white Jefferson?

You know a white person with the last name Jefferson? You know a white person with the last name Washington? The only white person I know. Why is that? Why is that? Why is that? I don't know. Faison could have been like a made up name. I hear what you're saying. I know what you're saying about slaves taking their masters' names.

There's a Faison, North Carolina. Where do you think my ancestors parked when they got taken from Africa? I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Well, there's a raid in Poland, and I think that's where possibly my name comes from. It is very possible that you are, that one of your- Like Radinsky or Radinovich or, you know, something. I always imagined my name was longer like Brafburg or Brafowitz or Brafenstein.

But you could probably, there probably is a town or something like that there is somewhere where your name originated and it's not necessarily a person it's like the right am i correct me if i'm wrong this sounds like about right no all my grandparents have unfortunately passed away so i don't really have um a great resource to find out where my relatives are from but i think it's probably polish german like i i imagine like you know somebody like you know i'm making up a name but somebody like jason york was from york in england back in the day and when having to describe himself i'm jason from york and then he became jason york you know what mean? Like I imagine that's how the shit probably happened.

So, all right. Well, we learned that JD has a pinata helmet and not only does he have a pinata helmet, he has his own SpongeBob SquarePants costume, which he says was a gift from me to me. Yes. Yes. Can I, why does JD have, how many times has JD been hit in the head? Yes. Why does JD have a – how many times has JD been hit in the head?

He has a helmet that's specifically for pinata parties. Yeah, because there was that one time. Or several. Or several. Maybe twice. And he's like, you know what? I got to get my pinata helmet. So here's an interesting,

Ben is back. He's not, he's not treating his cancer. As we told you last time, Brendan was on, he was actually, he is a super big photographer and had all sorts of really cool cameras. And this one for those camera geeks out there, he's got a Polaroidaroid back on a on a holga which is something i hadn't even ever seen before

i had to google that it was a real thing but yeah holga is a very cheap plastic camera that people love because if you put film in it it it takes really cool interesting it has a plastic lens it's really cheap and then he put a polaroid back on it. I bought you a Holga. Do you remember that? Yeah. I get them all the time because people know I love cameras and they're not that expensive. It's a great gift. Yeah.

I didn't have any money and I know you like cameras. Yeah, I got like 40 Holgas if you want one. I'll give you one back for Hanukkah. I'm just kidding. And then so the Polaroid back is – I don't know. I'd never seen it. And then I Googled. Yeah.

But they don't even make that film anymore, unfortunately. Anyway, that's just a moment for the camera geeks. And anyway, my point is that later on, Ben says, I'll take pictures until the day I die. And then the second he first appears as a hallucination,

he no longer has the camera ever again. At all. Wow, I didn't, until you said that, I. At all. Wow. Until you said that, I didn't put that together. Did you get that from Scrubs Wiki? Yeah, I got that from Scrubs Wiki. I have to... Oh, okay.

There's a few things that were cool that I didn't even know, and that was one of them. This is some sixth sense shit. I'm telling you, man. Yeah, well, the obvious thing is that no one sees Ben other than Cox

once he's dead. And when you go back and watch it's really clever how how Chris Koch directed all of that it's very very well done there's a whole interaction with Sarah where he's pretending to be a puppet master amazing physical comedy by both him and Sarah and then when she walks away and he's still holding on to the string yeah imaginary string and he falls off of the counter yeah Amazing physical comedy by Brendan Fraser. Yeah, Brendan was so good in this episode. So good, so good. He's just so freaking charming, that guy.

He is, he is. And I'm going to be honest with you. The Dr. Kelso storyline is so important for this episode. It's so important because it's this hard character who softens at the end, right? And when he softens, that's when we as an audience also are let in on the big reveal

that Ben's dead and he's been dead for a while. And I personally feel like I don't think that would be as impactful if you don't see a journey throughout the show, because there is no journey throughout the show in this other. You know what I mean? There's no journey. Ben's there in the beginning and he's dead. There's no journey for Cox Cox. There's nothing for Cox really to accept other than the fact that his that his best friend's dead and everything there's no journey for him there's no journey for jd there's no journey for anyway the only person that has a journey in this is kelso and his kelso and and kelso's journey is so important that it's it has to land at the end for ben's death to be even more impactful.

You know what I mean? I do. Is it the first time Kelso's shown any heart at all? Because there's a moment in the closet where Judy says, it's been a hard week. Now, the audience first time through assumes that's solely because she's arguing with you about stuff. They don't realize that she's also processing this death.

Right. And then we know kelso also is processing this stuff he's no friends with ben but you know he he shows he i mean to me it was the first time he showed real humanity at all right and and it's so important for this for this moment to land at the end because now he softened everybody up he's given everybody the he's he's made it so everybody is relaxed oh this is a great ending for scrubs where i feel fuzzy inside and so then when you get punched in the gut that we're at the we're at a funeral at the end and josh's song starts to play it's even more impactful yeah it's because of ken's storyline it's because of Ken's storyline. It's because of Kelso's storyline and how well he plays it in the closet with Carla.

It's so great. I wanted to mention that Randall Winston's credit comes up at the exact moment that Leonard, the security guard, is mentioned. Wow. So someone cleverly timed it. is mentioned. Wow. So someone cleverly timed it. So just as we're talking about Leonard,

the security guard and his Afro and his hook hand, Randall's credit comes up. Have you ever done that? What? Timed it so when your name comes up a specific key or a music key or a, you know, whatever, a music note or whatever. Well, and Going in style was the first time, a first feature I directed that had the full hundred piece orchestra score.

So I think when my card comes at the end directed by, I made sure that there was a, a hundred piece orchestra flourish. Right on. Cause like in some movies, in some movies, like you'll see, like in Eddie Murphy movies are great for it.

Like, the beginning of The Golden Child. There's all of this montage stuff. And then when Eddie Murphy shows up, you see Eddie Murphy, like, he turns to camera just like a sitcom damn near. And he has the big smile on his face. And it's like Eddie Murphy, The Golden Child. You know what I mean? Like, I wonder, like, even when directors or, well, music people,

when their title card comes up, do they put a little spruce in it? Maybe. You know what I mean? Maybe. The credits are added so much later after you've locked. And there's an order that everyone has to go in just per contract. So it would be pretty tricky to do it after the fact unless you planned on doing it. I don't mean to imply that

they cut this to Randall's picture. I just mean it probably was close and it was kind of like, you know, if we fudge it a few seconds, it'll... Because in the beginning of Scrubs, for those of you who never... I mean, I don't think we've ever discussed this. They have to do all these opening credits because, you know, I mean, that's just part of the rules, the contracts, the guild rules and everything. And they can be distracting. So there's times when they'll pause them for a few seconds if a joke is playing out to not upstage the joke. And then they'll bring them back in. And it's just very subtle.

The audience wouldn't really notice it. So I'm just saying they may have fudged it a little bit so it timed out perfectly, as he's mentioned. Carla hates Turk's mole, his tickle button yeah i imagine that's a lot of people's first reaction i remember one time i was at my best friend's house we were kids and her dad kept looking at me like really weird like staring really hard at my face and i I kept looking back at him like, Hey, is everything okay? And he kept staring so hard.

And then finally he was like, I'm sorry, man, but what the fuck is that on your face? Oh my God. And I was like, what? He was like,

what the fuck is that on your face? You got some shit on your face. That's a classy dad. What a dick a dick he thought was food or something he thought i had like doodoo on my lip i feel so bad i want to hug a baby doodoo lip donald i laughed so hard at that moment oh really you weren't upset i would have been upset no No, I'm not. It's not, dude. No, I was old enough. I was like 16. It was that embarrassed laughter. You didn't know what else to do.

It was more like, dude, what are you? You've known me my whole life, and you've never noticed this before? He's known me before puberty. He knew me before everything. And he never noticed that I had a mole on my face. That's embarrassing, though, though. Don't you think, like, were you always awkward around that guy from then on? I would feel so, like, cringy.

No, not at all, man. When I arrived in Northwestern, I had just done Manhattan Murder Mystery. One scene, as I think I mentioned before, I was Woody Allen. Is that a Woody Allen movie? Yeah, I was their son. And this kid, who was a good friend of mine, I really liked him. And we were walking, and we started talking about Manhattan Murder Mystery. And he said, supposedly that kid who plays the son goes to school here.

And I kind of chuckled, and he went, I didn't really think he was that good, though. Well, it's clear he hadn't seen the movie, dude. I thought he was doing a bit, but he wasn't. And we weren't really able to ever recover. Yeah, but it was clear. Dude, he hadn't seen the movie, though. No, I think he'd seen the movie. There's no way he'd seen the movie and not recognized you, though.

I don't. I just don't. Maybe I didn't have the same haircut, and he just didn't put two. Dude, I'm telling you, it was so cringy and awkward that our friendship died a quick death. Oh, dude, that's nothing i remember sitting in the movie theater freaking uh behind two ladies watching waiting to exhale and they're throughout the movie talking about how much they love the movie oh this is such a great movie i'm quiet behind them just enjoying the ride with them and everything like that laughing when they're

laughing and then i come on screen and my scene's over and they go, yeah, I don't like him though. The movie's good. He is not. And I remember being like, oh. And that's when you just fade right back into your chair. That's like real-time trolling. Real-time trolling. Right in my face it happened.

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Bring him in, Donald. I mean, bring him in, Danil. No problem. Josh, you excited? It's your first guest caller on the Scrubs Rewatch program. Lena is joining. Lena.

Lena. Lena. Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Lena! Lena, Lena, Lena. Hi, everybody. Oh, is that Josh Radin? That's the Joshua Radin, yes. Hi, Lena. Hi.

Hi, Lena. Welcome to the program. That's Donald Faison, Joelle, Monique, Joshua Radin, Daniels, and a broken camera. Lena, if you're ever in the market for a webcam, do not buy the Imaging Edge webcam.

It doesn't work. Apparently, the Imaging Edge webcam is really expensive, but it doesn't ever work. If I had the time, I would go on Amazon and give it one star. Well, my webcam was about $49,

and it's doing great. It looks really good. Yeah, you look great. Do you notice how, Lena, we're able to see you? Yeah, Daniel's webcam didn't come with that feature. Oh. You should look for that, Daniel.

Yeah. You guys need merch webcams. Yeah. You have every merch thing that is known to man. You should try to make webcams. Yeah, we're going to sell Fake Doctors, Real Friends webcams. They can come with the onesies. We're not going to source them from imaging Edge webcam. I'm still trying to get my hands on the onesies,

so I'll have to wait on the webcam. Yeah, when are the onesies being restocked, Joelle? Do you know? I'm working on that but i'll give you guys an update as soon as possible we had we kind of thought it would be funny we thought we ordered 600 because we were like there's a lot of people listening to this all over the world maybe maybe we'll sell 600 eventually and and that won't be too many to order and they were gone in 24 hours all of them yes i can't even get one for my for my

for my family my wife bought the name of it is uh i we have a pj day coming up at work and no one's where do you work where do you work i'm a nurse oh shit it got real it just got interesting people where are you at where are you working at? Where are you? I'm working for the largest healthcare organization in Western Pennsylvania. So anyone from Pittsburgh will know exactly who I'm talking about. That's where I work. Oh, so you're going to be one of the first to get the vaccine. So I'm in home care. So the vaccine will go to the acute care staff first in the hospital.

That started yesterday. And actually my first in the hospital that started yesterday. And actually my organization was the first to give it. And then home care will be the second round. Okay. So February? I hope sooner than that. They're saying by the end of January. Okay. Yeah. And when you say home care, do you mean you care for people in their homes? Correct. So we take care of people who either came out of the hospital. So our COVID patients who come out of the hospital, they're really deconditioned. So they really take more therapy than nurses. But what's also happening is that we are so understaffed in the hospitals,

understaffed in home care. We're running out of beds. So unfortunately, they're having to send patients home from the hospital faster than they should. So in home care, we're now taking care of people with central lines, chest tubes, chemo. And so we've become an extension of acute care. And so we're taking care of people trying to keep them out of the hospital so that hospital beds are open for the patients who really need it. So you're providing care at home. In the home. Yeah.

How do you staff a team large enough to take care of all of the people that you're sourcing now out of the hospital? It sounds like she's saying that they're not because they're running out of people. Well, they have to stretch it some way. How are you stretching it right now? So it's funny that you asked that, Donald. And if I really figure out the right way to do it, I'm going to write a book and I'm going to be a trillionaire. And then I won't have to be a nurse anymore.

But here's what we're doing. So I'm a supervisor. I actually am in the office Monday through Friday making sure that the nurses get the PPE they need, that all of the patients who need to be covered are covered. If we have to prioritize, I'm the one who's picking who gets seen and who doesn't get seen. So I'm also coordinating with the hospitals to say, no, we're not taking anymore. You need to find another home care. It's not a safe discharge.

You need to keep them. So then on the weekends, I'm going out and seeing patients. So we're all just doing the best that we can. And it's scary because our patient list is growing and our staff list is shrinking. Yeah. I was seeing something today in LA that there are people that are waiting in ambulances because there's just, there's no beds and LA is running out of ICU beds. So they had people, there was something I read, I think it was on deadline about how they're literally just the ambulances are pulling up and just holding

people because there's just, there's a, there's a backlog. What are you guys doing now? So I'm in Pittsburgh and we locked down Saturday morning. We went back on lockdown and they were saying, don't have a stroke or a heart attack in Pittsburgh because there's no ICU beds left. And that's a really scary thought. So in home care, what we are doing to help is if we can keep them out of the hospital, we are. So if that means that we get telehealth or we get a social worker or we get family involved, we're trying to critically think and keep them out of the hospital. But at the same time, I went about three weeks ago, a patient was discharged from the hospital Friday night, I went in Saturday morning,

and I sent him right back to the hospital. So it's just knowing what can I handle in the home? What do I need to send back to the hospital? It's getting the doctors on the phone and trying to think and talk and figure out what we can do. Because in home care, you're just, you're in the living room. There's no x rays, there's no blood work, there's no doctor that I can grab and say, hey, what do you think? It's just a nurse standing in a living room. So we're doing the best we can with the resources we have. Our health system is huge. They have their own insurance, they have their own long-term care facilities. So we're trying to think out, can we just get this patient on telehealth and open them, open up a nurse for another visit? Is this somebody who just needs to go back to the hospital as much as I hate to do that? So we're just doing position like you are right now, where you could speak to thousands and thousands and thousands of people across the world.

What would you tell them in terms of, from your point of view, what's the best thing they could be doing to keep themselves healthy? Oh my gosh, I might actually start crying right now because what an opportunity that every nurse wishes they could have right now. Wear your masks. Even if you think it's stupid and it doesn't work, what if there's a 1% chance that you could protect your parents or your children or the neighbor? If there's a 1% chance that we're all right and you should wear your mask, then why risk it? So wear the mask, only go out when you have to. If you do have to go out, be really smart about it.

Like I said, use that critical thinking and say, okay, what can I outsource? Maybe I can ask my neighbors what they need and just one person can make the trip the healthiest of us. I understand it's Christmas. I understand it's Hanukkah. I understand it's Eid. I understand that all of these beautiful holidays are happening and that you want to be with your families, but this is, it's not a normal year. And the best gift that you can give to the world right now, including your own family, is to stay home if you can. And if you can't, be smart about it. Be really smart and really think it through. And if you don't believe it, but there's a 1% chance we're all right, then why risk it? Yeah. Beautifully said. Beautifully said. And right

from someone on the front lines. I mean, you guys all hear me and Donald talk about it because we lost a friend and Josh lost a friend as well. But I think people are just used to hearing it now and they roll their eyes. So to hear it from a nurse who is on the front lines and seeing it day in and day out, I really appreciate that. Do you have any questions? I feel silly to segue to this, but do you have a question? Anything Scrubs related? Anything Josh Radin related? Yeah, so if I have the opportunity for two, I'm going to ask a Scrubs question, and then I'm going to ask a non-Scrubs question. Okay.

I don't want Josh to feel like that. Well, that's okay. Josh is just happy to be here. He's happy to be eavesdropping. By the way, if you know any nice women, sound like a Jewish mother If you know any nice women In the LA area He's wonderful, he paints, he sings If you ever move to Pittsburgh

I'm available Oh Josh, you got a beautiful nurse Right here for you But your hours are crazy though Your hours are crazy And also I just don't think Pittsburgh is going to be where Josh Plants his roots Listen, I was crazy. And also, I just don't think Pittsburgh is going to be where Josh plants his roots. But listen.

Listen, I understand. I like Pittsburgh. I'd be lucky to have you, Lena. Thank you. He's also a charmer, Lena. And being with a nurse is one of those things that you hope you never need. But then if you suddenly do, you're so glad they're there. I think that's great to be with a nurse.

Because I'm always like, what's this thing? What is this? Am I going to die from this? Josh and I have the same doctor and he's retiring actually. But the thing I loved about him is if I hocked up a loogie, I could send him a text of it and I'd be like, do I need antibiotics? And he'd be like, yes. And that's gross. Yep. I get pictures you can't imagine you know some people worry about like oh there's gonna be a dick pic i can't yeah i'm about to say joelle gets pictures no idea what pops up on my phone what i get texted oh my god um we were talking about joelle uh getting lots of uh inappropriate pictures all right what's your question go ahead oh my god are you talking about online dating joelle yeah pictures i've gotten yeah really it's a it's wild out there

i would i would like to discuss this okay lena let's be let's be respectful and taxful she's a she's a classy woman absolutely um what which um app are you on is it the tinder that you're getting all these no i tried to do it right. And I went like from match.com. I paid the money and everything. And you upload pictures. You describe yourself. And you put this nice little narrative like, listen, I'm very busy.

If you need a lot of attention, don't bother to talk to me. This is what I'm looking for. And then just the DMs start. and there will be things out of, like I had one that just said, I bet you taste great. Wow. I heard the scary screechy violins on that cow. I don't know if I could,

I don't know if I could do that. I don't know if I can. I think, don't you, when you hear tales about how gross fucking men are, don't you? Aren't you just like, I'm just always – I mean I know about this, but we men don't get sent dick pics. I don't get – I don't want – And please don't start.

Please don't start sending me dick pics. But when I hear these tales, I just can't believe how fucking gross men are. Zach, dick pics aren't even the most shocking. That's not the – It's the stuff they say to you. I don't get any of that stuff. I go through my DMs looking for this shit.

Oh, you want a dick pic? No, I don't want a dick pic. I want to see what my fans are saying to me. So sometimes I'll scroll through it and it'll be some of the stuff I'm like, oh God, that's heart wrenching. Oh my God, I shouldn't have opened this. Why did I open this? And then some of it, it's be some of the stuff I'm like, oh, God, that's heart wrenching. Oh, my God. I shouldn't have opened this. Why did I open this?

And then some of it, it's like some of it's like, yo, man, fuck you, man. Yo, your podcast is shit, man. All y'all do is talk about shit on the right. And for you, like, you're the shit on the left. Y'all don't know, you know, you need to be neutral. Hashtag Trump train. Right. I get a lot of that. with the red siren emoji.

I'll tell you to make a nurse blush. You have to, you gotta really, you gotta really put it out there. And some of the messages I've gotten have made me blush. I have yet to get one of those messages. I'm very happy that I've yet to get one of those messages, but I have yet to get one of those messages.

The real question is, well, not there's, there's many questions I have about this, but when you're asking how crazy men are, which is totally true, it's insane. But I have female friends that have told me things like that before, stories like that and all these inappropriate messages. And you're like, my first thought was, okay, so you're a guy who goes on match.com and sends these inappropriate pictures or messages or whatever. Like is there – are you sending those to like 100 women hoping at one time it works?

They got to be. It has to be that. It has to be that. It's like fishing. They're hoping that they catch one. But I'm saying like if it's – let's say it's one out of 500 a woman actually responds like score you won you won you did it we we spoke about this earlier that one woman is ruining it for every other woman every person guys like see it works sometimes i told you especially if

it happens like in the first week or the first you know couple of times you try it where you're like here's a dick pic and you get the the response like, wow. I know if that would have happened to anybody, they'd be like, I'm doing this for the rest of my life. This is how I'm doing it. I don't know if you watched that last Amy Schumer standup special, but she had great advice for women who get dick pics. And she said, if you get a dick pic, send back a picture of a bigger dick. And then when he responds, what's this? You just go, oh, sorry. I just thought we were sending pictures of cool dicks.

I don't think you want to engage. I don't think you want to engage. When you get a text, you have time to think of the response. You don't have to be really clever, really fast. So it gives you the opportunity with, to come up with something great. So I had a guy and feel free to censor this if you'd like to. Um, but I had a guy, we don't want to censor anything. I don't, I don't remember his name. It was one of a thousand who, um, I opened it up and it said, when's the last time you got bent over and made come hard? Oh, and it was all misspelled, which is super hot. And so I responded, ask your brother.

I think he wrote down the date. Wow. Okay. It gives you time. Like I got to have some coffee. Think about it. How do I want to respond to that? All right.

As fun as that is, Lena, I don't know that you should. I mean, I wouldn't engage. That's dangerous. Not to be paternal. I don't think you should – I mean – I wouldn't engage. That's dangerous. Not to be paternal. I don't think you should engage because they can be scared. Okay. Oh, yeah. I was about to say.

You got to figure it out. But listen, Lena, you're such a – you're a nurse. You're a very beautiful woman. I feel like Joelle – we could – if you want, we could put your – well, I don't know if that's going to encourage it. I'm trying to – if you're in the Pittsburgh area, how can – what do we do? We could put your Instagram on our show notes or something. That's going to be like chaos. Oh, that's going to be like mayhem.

Never mind. I'm trying to help, everybody. Calm down. We're not even at Fix Your Life yet. We haven't even gotten to Fix Your Life yet. I know. The show's going to be so fucking long. But I just wanted to say, Lena, I don't want to encourage that behavior.

But gosh, I wish I could set you up with someone in Pittsburgh. Oh, no, that's fine. I'm so busy right now. Okay. You're busy you're busy you're busy dude she's busy freaking handling covid man i know but she also wants to have some romance everyone's got time for the a little bit of romance all right go ahead lena sorry what's your question so my question is for zach and donald so let's say that somebody says i want to make a movie about the making of scrubs, how it came to fruition behind the scenes. What young actors now are playing you two in your mid twenties?

Oh, wow. Good question. Great question. Well, I would play myself, obviously. I mean,

black don't crack, you know? Yeah. So I thinkatt would play me oh that's a good answer because i like so it'd be me and ben platt pretty much yeah and more musical episodes too ben platt has a beautiful voice so i would sound even better when i sang and um and i think he does I saw him in Dear Evan Hansen and obviously he's playing a very

different character but there were a lot of JD-isms that I liked and saw and respected I think he's very talented Donald, come on the kid from Stranger Things that's my dude although he's a teenager.

You need to be mid-20s. He's almost 18, man. Boy, he got mustache and everything now. He's growing up. Okay. He's getting tall. There you go. There is your Scrubs behind-the-scenes movie cast right there.

I love it. All right. What's your next question? You said you had another one. Yeah. So I'm actually working on my doctorate in nursing. Sorry, Joelle. This is not the question I told you, but I promise it's PC. Okay. You're working on your doctorate in nursing. Sorry, Joelle, this is not the question I told you, but I promise it's PC.

Okay. You're working on your doctorate in nursing. That's so awesome. Do not apologize to me. Yeah, and you don't have to censor yourself, Lena. We like anything inappropriate. My doctorate project is on decreasing the stress in our frontline managers. So the managers who are between the patient care staff and the executive management team. So these are our frontline managers. So the managers who are between the patient care staff

and the executive management team. So these are our frontline managers. So my question for all of you, especially right now is what are you guys doing to decrease your stress? Drinking lots of Pinot Noir. Going outside. I like going. I broke my toe. I was, if you listen to the podcast, you know I was cycling a lot. The Peloton was a great source of relieving stress for me. I broke my toe, so I'm a little on timeout with exercise, cardio. But I've been going to the dog park.

We have a big dog park near us. And I love, I get endorphins when i go and watch my dog sprint around the dog park um and i don't know those are and those are my first ones that come to mind what about you josh we know that you're you're hiking hiking yeah i like walking around in nature as much as i can and uh reading and you know just just getting through it, basically. Getting through it. We lost Donald. What happened to Donald?

He didn't like your question. He dropped out. Daniel will deal with that, Joelle. Joelle, what is your answer to the question? It was, like, doing Christmas things, which sounds crazy. But, like, you have to go all over the place and like it was like researching with a friend and then like calling shops to see how we could do it safely and is like in the spirit of giving back and it was like it was a great way to like both like physically

get myself out of the house because I you know I'm an anxious person. I have ADHD. And going outside pre-pandemic, I have social anxiety. Post-pandemic, being inside so much now, just going to my friend's house is four or five times much higher. I'm so anxious. So having a goal, something to do, a partner that I know has been safe throughout this whole thing to go do it with. It's been like the greatest stress reliever. And then now I get to send people packages and they, oh, we're going to open them on Zoom. And there's that whole like giving back like aspect of it

that I'm just really excited to participate in. So Christmas season for the win. I agree that, you know, there is, I am having a lot of fun buying presents for people. And then we took, we had a lot of joy in decorating the house and getting – I've never done a real full-on Christmas because I'm Jewish, or at least I'm secular, but we just never did it. Yeah, congrats on your Christmas tree. Yeah, we went all out. We went all out, and it's fun.

Decorating the house and making it all super cozy has been a source of joy. How's it going with Donald there, Daniel? He has not responded. Well, Daniel, what do you do to de-stress? What do I do to de-stress? I am a big fan of electronic music. I really like biking, riding my bicycle. And so there are times usually after work,

usually late at night, I would say around 10pm. I have a very flat neighborhood. And so it's also very quiet at night, not a lot of cars. So I'll throw on my helmet, throw on some headphones, turn the light on on my bike. And I will just do laps around my neighborhood, blasting drum and bass in my ears and just going as hard as possible and letting the music just like plow through me like I'm in an action film. I always feel like I'm being chased by like the bad guys in the Matrix whenever I'm like biking around my neighborhood,

just listening to super, super fast electronic music. I come home, I'm exhausted. I have sweat dripping all over me and I just feel alive and released and just loose. And it feels great. It feels great. I would think that that would... I mean, that sounds awesome. But I would think that would amp you all up and you'd come home all adrenaline up. There's definitely a degree. It's also... I really try to do that when I am really trying to get rid of stress.

So I'm already kind of tensed up and ready to go. And working it out, yes, gets my heart rate going, but also just helps me release that stress. So while there's still like a worked up heart rate and stuff, there is a much more turned down mental state that's like, okay, we are released from this. We are done. And now we can just move on with the night and go take a hot shower and you know have a glass of something then go to bed yeah how about you lena what do you do you cut you i mean you you're writing this uh dissertation right um is that what it is so when you're a nurse you're it's a scholarly project, and it actually lasts the entire five semesters of doctorate school.

So I've just completed my first semester. So all I've had to do at this point is just come up with the idea and turn that in and say, this is the background of why this is a problem in nursing. I haven't got to the actual, like, getting it approved or putting together the actual study design, I think, and then actually having the experiment, I think, will be the really stressful part. But so for now, the stressful part is, so I'm a mom. I'm a full-time doctorate student, and I'm a single mom of, I'm sorry, I'm a nurse, I'm a doctorate student, and I'm a single mom of two active teenage

girls oh my goodness you have a lot on your plate so i'm busy and so um you know i'm sorry sorry sorry to interrupt you daniel he's waiting to be let back in donald there we go oh there he is wait stop talking about him stop talking about him hearing it what happened not a good signal in that closet yeah i uh i can't tell you what i do to relieve stress that's we all know what that is we all know what that is I think we all know She's a nurse That's my business

She's a nurse and it's very healthy Alright It's normal though right It's normal right It's normal though right It is normal Lena is not It is probably abnormal

For a 46 year old man To have the libido of a 16 year old Right no She's shaking her head You're normal I am normal That's what your body needs That's what your body needs

I told you and my wife that shit But nobody wanted to listen to me Lena Nobody wanted to listen to me Everybody was. Nobody wanted to listen to me. Everybody was like, no, there's something wrong with you. There's something wrong with you and there's something wrong with your insides and you need to see therapy. You need to see therapy. You need to go talk to somebody

about your freaking libido. Maybe Lena can give you a note for Casey that says this is perfectly normal. You want me to write you a prescription? Prescription to – yeah. All right. Yeah, let me go get her.

Hold on. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Come on. All right. Let's talk about Fix Your Life. I don't know if we can fix your life, but if there's any way we can. You missed Donald. She's got two teenage daughters in addition and as a single mom in

addition to being a nurse so she's got a lot of a doctorate student yeah and a doctor you got a lot on your plate there all right how can we fix your life you're a good candidate so this is um i just want your advice this is what i really need from you guys because you are artists and you understand what this is like. Being a nurse was never my dream. I actually went to college for musical theater and then got pregnant, had to get a real job with health insurance, went to nursing school probably because of scrubs. I'm not going to lie. The timing winds up. And now I'm a mom and I'm a nurse.

And so I did a lot of community theater and then that wasn't an option anymore because I was too busy. So what I did was I, I sat down and wrote a book. I wrote a fiction. I sort of just wrote my own fantasy world that I got to escape into since I couldn't be an actress anymore. And I, I felt really good about it. I was really passionate about it. I was very excited. And then 18 rejections later from agents, I had somebody who said, I'll take a look at it, but you have to cut out roughly 40,000 words. So I said, I don't want to do that. I have all these people who have read it. They love it. I've read it. I've edited it. I don't want to take any more out of it. I'm going to

self-publish. So I got the website. I got the TikTok. I got 7,500 followers on TikTok. I put a little teaser about the book. Everyone seemed excited. And then I really started looking at self-publishing and I thought, if I really want to do this, I need to get a Kickstarter, but I don't have the time. I don't have the time. We're going to be your quick Kickstarter because we're going to plug your website. What's the name of the book and how do people find out about the book? what's the name of the book and how do people find out about the book so i guess my question was do i go for it or do i shelve it but it sounds like you're saying just go for it this is a place where dreams come true lena we whiteboard that shit we pick up we go to the store we go to staples we get white boards we get erasable markers, okay? And we take those markers to said board,

and we write down our dreams and goals. Why do you sound like a preacher all of a sudden? I like it. Because I'm trying to get Lena there. She needs to get up off her ass, go to the white board, pick up in a dry eraser pen, go to the board, and write down.

She wants to self-publish her own book. Write it down. All right, Reverend. Write it down. Reverend, there's so many babies unlatching right now. So many babies aren't eating right now, but I'm super excited. All right.

Well, Donald's right. We really believe that you can manifest. We're big believers in manifesting from the whiteboard. It sounds like it's already on your whiteboard and you're about to get the biggest plug you, you could ever get. Which is so funny. You say that Zach,

because the way that I got on this podcast is that I'm a witch and I wrote a spell and I did a spell to get on this podcast. That was a big, that was a big right this podcast. I'm so nervous now. That was a big right-angle turn. That was a big reveal. By the way, much like this episode, there's a reveal at the end of the caller. She's a witch.

I didn't want to ruin Joelle's big twist, but yeah, I'm a witch, and that's how I got myself on here. Just like you said, Zach, I wanted to manifest this happening. Are you serious? Are you really a witch? Because some people really are witches. I'm really a witch and that's how I got myself on here. And so just like you said, Zach, I wanted to manifest this happening. Are you serious? Are you really a witch? Because some people really are witches. I'm really a witch. So that's my altar right behind me with your whiteboard right above it. Okay.

So you're practicing. I'm not trying to make jokes or anything like that. No, don't make jokes because it's people's religion. How do you practice witchcraft and science at the same time? How are you able to do witchcraft and science? Donald, that's such a good question. Very good question, Donald.

Oh, my God. That weed must be wearing off. That's such a good question. No, the weed is kicking in. You thought I took a break because the computer went down? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I need to go smoke some weed. Yeah, buddy.

Something tells me you dropped out of the Zoom right around the time when you needed a fucking blunt. I dropped out right around 420. That's when I dropped out. Yeah. All right. So, Lena, we can't go down a giant witchcraft wormhole. No, we won't. But Donald, that's a great question.

How do you reconcile spells and science? So the human body is made up of energy and electricity. So is everything around us. And if you go all the way back to the pagan belief, back, back, back, back, back, their belief was very much about at the rivers of Chi that are drawn out by the Chinese back, back, back, back, back, it actually lines up with the nervous system. So way, way back before we even had science, people knew that there was something greater than all of us, that we were all connected, that by caring for the earth, we were caring for ourselves, we're caring for each other, we're caring for ourselves. And so I think there is a room for Western medicine and Eastern medicine. If you want to manifest something in your life, Zach, you actually say this a lot on the podcast, you have more magical thinking than you probably realize. But if you want to manifest things,

you're manipulating the energy around you, and you're creating it to happen. However, if somebody in front of you goes into respiratory distress and drops, you don't want to burn incense. You want to care for them. And that's where we were lucky that we were able to understand Western medicine, but still hold on to Eastern medicine. So I do believe that there is a place for both things. But I do think that when it comes to things like creating what you want in life,

that there is a way to honor that and honor the things around you. And I think that my job as a nurse honors all of the people out in this world. It cares for life. And because of that, I get a lot of abundance back in return. I am very lucky in that sense, but I do think that there's room for everything. I think that all of us can be in harmony and that includes Western and Eastern. So that includes magical thinking as well as science, if that makes sense. Yeah. I mean, sorry, it was really quick. It wasn't, it, it, it makes a lot of sense. It's like, you know, it's believing in religion and also believing that science can exist with religion as well. I totally get it.

Absolutely. Absolutely. So if you're sitting at the bedside of somebody who's dying, of course, you're going to pray for them. But you're also going to want the doctor to do everything they can to try and keep that person alive. And that's where I really try to honor both things. life and that's where i really try to honor both things um well we hear that we hear you and we respect you and we respect all religions um and and belief systems um so wait so tell everyone um how to find do you do you got a cat i just want to know do you have a cat i do is it a black cat no that would be so cool if you all right and it's name is Sebastian alright in the interest of in the interest of episode length how do we you're out of time Lena but tell us how to find your book tell everyone how to find your book

so if you want to find my TikTok I'm all nurse all the time all my information is on there and my website is Lena L-E-N-A Nazari N-A- z as in zebra a-r-e-i.com and you can find all the information on there and i guess i'm gonna make a kickstarter so watch for it what's the title of the book well what's the title of the bite shift it's about a night shift

nurse who becomes a vampire night shift that's a better we oh you know you know how we do because we got a little story That we like to talk about About a doctor Who becomes a vampire And his name is Dr. Acula Nice

Donald you'll like it There's a lot of sex in the book It's very sexy There's a lot of what? Sex Sex Sex Donald could use it

Wait hold on I'm sorry Lena I think you have me confused For someone else Oh sorry I Lena. I think you have me confused for someone else. Oh, sorry. I'm sorry. I apologize. I can't even continue this with a straight face.

All right. I'm very intrigued by this book. Lena, you've been an awesome guest. Thank you for being a frontline worker and for all that you're doing. And please stay safe. And thank you for coming on. You're an awesome guest. Thank you.

Thank you very much. Thank you. Bye, Lena. Take care awesome guest. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Bye, Lena. Take care, Lena. Be well. That was Lena! Let's take a break. We'll be right back after these fine words.

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I mean, she, she, Joelle, did you know she was going to drop the witch bomb at the end? Hell yeah. Why do you think I picked her? I was like, witch sister to witch sister. Let's do this.

You were, you were, you were probably like, when's she going to start talking about the witches? I was worried it wasn't going to get in there, honestly.

Well, she had a lot to say and she's very interesting, but I, I thought that Donald thought that she was kidding and that's why I was like, oh wait, I didn't think she's kidding, because she's like,

she has all her witch gear behind her. I didn't think she would. It's like 20 minutes of frontline work and nursing and dating, and then all of a sudden she's like, so also, yeah, I'm a witch. And the book is about, the book is a sexy book

about a nurse vampire. I mean that's – A modern woman in America. I adore Lelena. Thank you. Yeah. She should go on that pitch thing. What's the pitch thing on Twitter, Joelle?

Pitch thing on Twitter? Do you know what I'm talking about? I thought you might know about it. It's like when writers pitch their ideas and they, it's like they, they, they put out like a byline or not a byline. They put out like a one sentence thing about what the plot of their thing is. And then they hope that publishers or agents respond to them.

Do you know what I'm talking about? Yes, I do. It's called a Twitter pitch. It's sometimes thrown by different publishing companies. This is according to Google. Sometimes just sort of ramped up where people are like, Hey,

just go for it. I guess agents do it sometimes too, but it's sort of random. It's called like Pitch Mod or something. I don't know. There's like these days where it's like, hey, everybody, it's Pitch Mod and I'll be pitching my new book. And anyway, I digress. So Donald. What's up, brother? We should, we have a surprise for everybody. And that is that when we're done with our show, Joshua Radin is going to sing and perform Winter live for all of you, which is a pretty nice treat, Donald, don't you think? You know, I was hoping for a concert the whole episode. I thought that's what we were going to do. I didn't realize we were going to talk about the show. I didn't think Lena was going to be that

interesting, to be honest with you. She spoke my language, obviously. I think it's only right that if we have Josh on the show, that we ask him. He could

decline. He could say no. I wouldn't have had him on. I just want to go through a couple more things I love in the show before Josh sings. Cause gay chicken was funny. You and I used to actually play gay chicken. Yeah. I, uh,

that's a, that's a tough one to win. You know what I mean? Always wins that one. No, I'm willing to, I'm willing to kiss you. Cause you're willing to make out.

If you're willing to make out, if you're willing to make out, then you're always the winner. I wanted to say,onard playing playing gin and smoking a cigarette in the hospital using his claw hand i thought was funny i think it's hilarious that jd slept with both sullivan sisters right i've had sex with both uh sullivan sisters um i laughed i mean shower shorts did you think that showerorts was in this episode? I didn't know it was in there.

And also, this went on into a different television show, didn't it? Didn't this become your Arrested Development character? Didn't your Arrested Development character work? No, because in Arrested Development, they have a running theme where- Never Nudes. David Cross is in Never Nude. He's never naked. He wears jean shorts underneath all his clothes josh radin loves that show and i was lucky enough to be on that show as

a fellow never nude so yes i guess that's that's wise that you're saying there is overlap in that both jd and my character in arrested development do not shower fully nude you're a fucking never nude that shit was hilarious portia derossi goes you're a fucking never nude that shit was hilarious portia de rossi goes you're a fucking never nude yeah it was so funny hilarious i got to be a never nude um and um shower shorts for the man who has nothing to hide but still wants to that is one of the funniest jokes and it's got a wallet it It's got a shower shorts. That had me rolling. The shower shorts with the wallet that zips back.

And when he pulls it, and it zips back. Where does it smack him? That's what I want to know. In the ass. In the ass or in the pee pee? No, in the ass. I do a little jump. Oh, OK.

Elliot Spunyon. Elliot Spunyon and your mole talking. Oh, my God. Your mole talking is hilarious, dude. Your mole, what does it say? It says, a brother can finally breathe. Finally breathe. You know, that's my voice, and I actually did the puppet for that, too,

for the mole as well. You operated the puppet. I operated the puppet for the mole. The mole was my voice and my hand in the mole. Well, the puppet for the mole. The mole was my voice and my hand in the mole. Well, the mole was very funny. I don't know why the mole wasn't a recurring character. I would have thought the mole would have come back, but I guess not.

I don't know why Bill didn't ever bring the mole back, but that was great. Elliot's bunion at the end when the doctor sees and the nurse passes out. You know, whenever a nurse is not a

normal one of the regular background nurses and you just know she's going to be a stuntwoman because I was like, oh, I don't recognize that woman. And then all of a sudden she took a big fall when she fainted. And I was like, oh, she must have been a stuntwoman. That was funny. That was very funny. She must have been a stuntwoman that was funny that was very funny she must have been a stunt woman because it was a perfect fall too

yeah and then the worthless peons we should talk about this the whole show before we Ted the lawyer has lost one of his band members is threatening to quit and the show opens up even with it

you'll always be a worthless peon you're nothing more than a worthless peon. You're nothing more than a worthless peon. And then he turns to, you know, after Ted hangs up the phone, he turns to Kelso and he goes, Dr. Kelso, my band, the Worthless Peons, has just lost a member.

I think this must be the moment that we learn the name of the band, the Worthless Peons. Yeah, it is the Worthless Peons. Because they are all worthless peons. I mean, that's how they all work at the hospital and feel like they're peons to everybody. Yeah. And then also, Carla talking about how she's a candy bar.

The Espinosa is a candy bar. Yes. And then Ted asks her, does the Esinoza have nougat in the middle? Yeah, that was funny. I thought he was doing that like as a sexual thing, like trying to be, like trying to flirt. No, he just likes nougat. No, I think he's trying to flirt. I think it's a flirty flirt.

Listen, let's get to the cemetery where it all goes down. 1849 is when we see the first shot of the cemetery where it all goes down 1849 um is when we see the first shot of the cemetery and you know this has been like the most common meme that's ever been sent to me the where do you think we are moment that happens at 1935 um i got goosebumps i have to say when it happened even though i knew it was coming um it's just a really cool Sixth Sense reveal yeah and well acted by John C. McGinley also the whole episode well yeah Zach absolutely

absolutely you know what I know you need it so absolutely I don't need it it's not about me Johnny's incredible in this episode and especially at the end when he's crying it's very moving he's very good at it and and watching them all sit, Jordan, Danny, and Johnny sitting watching the funeral as he's lowered into the ground and everything like that. I was wondering who's going to be the one to, because you forget these things.

Who's the one, like I was wondering, does Danny lean on Jordan? Is Jordan going to lean on Cox? Is Cox, you know, how does this, how does this end? Because there needs to be a moment that, you know, this family can, you know, grieve together. Cause we, we're not really, you don't really see it. You just see, you know, and this is a very strong and stonewall, like these guys are very mean to each other and i was like where's the break who's gonna break and when jordan grabs cox that's the first one but then when jd puts his hand on cox and he's willing to accept he's willing to affection and he's willing to receive the uh the love from well

he's going to receive it from jordan but to receive it from his from his colleague from his work buddy very powerful moment yeah it's very moving and jordan's character isn't someone who's going to emote and and sob and johnny sees you thinking isn't either but he just finally lets go and she looks over at him and it's very moving beautifully done i'm so we're very blessed and lucky to have josh here who's going to sing live for you and um josh are you ready is everything tuned is the capo set i know all the lingo well i just want to say one last thing before we get into the raiden situation josh man i didn't get to finish this earlier. I remember watching you in Hotel Cafe, me,

Mandy Moore, Minka Kelly, and Zach Braff, the only people in the place. Us and the bartender and you and the sound guy. That's it. Flash cut to you at the Troubadour. The first time you played at the Troubadour.

Fire. One of the best moments of my life to this day to be able an auditorium and hear you perform. And then not only that, to watch the people listening to you. Like I've seen a thugged out dude, like somebody that looks like the dude that was on the skateboard with the ocean spray. Seen somebody like that at your concert doing exactly what he's doing to the stevie nicks song singing along to the fleetwood mac song i've seen that i've seen i've seen you touch people like that and it's just so powerful to see so without any further ado y'all i've said enough joshua all right here's josh radin with uh with winter the first song he ever wrote I should know who I am by now I walk the record stand somehow Thinking of winter, your name is the splinter inside me while I wait.

I remember the sound of your November downtown And I remember the truth of warm December with you But I don't have to make this mistake And I don't have to stay this way If only I would wait The walk has all been cleared by now Your voice is all I hear somehow Calling out winter It's all I hear somehow A call in our winter Your voice is the splinter inside me

While I wait And I remember the sound Of your November downtown. And I remember the truth of warm December with you. But I don't have to make this mistake. And I don't have to make this mistake And I don't have to stay this way If only I would wait I could have lost myself in rough Blue waters in your eyes

And I miss you still And I remember the sound Of your November downtown And I remember the truth A warm December with you But I don't have to make this mistake And I don't have to stay this way If only I would wait Yeah!

Wow. That's so beautiful, Josh. Thank you. When I hear that song, I go, I can't believe I know the guy who wrote and sings that. It's just such beautiful poetry. Thank you so much. That's very kind. And thank you for starting my career.

Well, if it wasn't me, it would have been somebody else. Well, that's nice of you to say, but you never know. Josh, remind people how, if they want to do this thing, they can book you to play. You can go to my website, joshuarayden.com, R-A-D-I-N, and you'll see it right there. It's very simple. I changed the website, so it's very simple. It's joshuarayden.topicalive. You'll see the link.

You'll see all the options and which charity the money goes to. options and which charity the money goes to but you can have josh play for your loved ones maybe even maybe even um you know this as a holiday gift for someone and uh back when the world reopens and concerts everything again make sure to go see josh um play live he travels all over the world um he's very popular in europe right josh josh is like um bruce springsteen in sweden not very popular he's freaking fancy of sweden no i have a small cult following who of people who know my songs from medical shows but that's no and and josh that's that's that you're you're exactly you're you're you're what are you being here just being dismissive of yourself you're being self-deprecating josh donald you still here you're still with us what are you doing while i'm here

though can we can we just have donald admit to everyone that i did not mess up my own song okay fine is that what you're waiting for yeah it's literally came on the podcast so look all right so here's the thing here's the thing here's the thing remind you what was said you didn't remind listeners what was said i said that he blew he messed his own song. He didn't mess up his own song. You messed it up by not singing the whole song straight through. Like you forgot some words here and there. No, I didn't forget any words. This is the thing.

But I will say this. I remember running the stairs when your podcast happened. And I'm listening to you talk about. Let me say one thing. No, you've been talking all day. Let him have his moment. Okay, all day. Let him have his moment. Okay, go ahead. Let him have his moment.

I'm running the stairs when the podcast started, listening to this thing. And all of a sudden you start talking about me and how you asked me to play your and Casey's first dance at your wedding. And you asked for one of my songs. And it was, you asked for the song Paperweight, which at the time,

I went for about eight years or something without playing that song live. It was too painful. I wrote it with my ex. And when we split up, I just decided I didn't want to play anymore. Now I play it.

It's been whatever. It's been time. Have you guys played it together yet? No, no, we haven't seen, we haven't hung out in years and years. I would love to see that.

Oh, we should get that on the show. That would be dope. I would for sure. Either way, what I'm saying is you asked me to play a song of mine called they bring me to you and so i did but the live version of that song is a different version than the recording oh i know because you have a female singing with you and it's just so much

different production but when you play solo acoustic live so you have to remember i'm running the stairs listening to your podcast and i hear you you do your Oprah voice of like, and then he fucked up his own song. And I'm like, I, I spit out my water. I started laughing. And then of course I texted you right afterwards. I'm like,

what are you talking about? I didn't mess up. Right away. You were like, first of all, I did not fuck up. I just want the audience to know that Donald asked Josh to sing him and his wife's first song at his wedding.

And then made fun of him in front of thousands of people because he didn't like the version Josh sang. It's me. It's me. All right. We've gone two hours, everybody. Don't say we don't entertain you. Go ahead. I know, right?

That being said. I love you, Donald, but I do love you. And I love you, too. I do love you. And I love you too. That being said, though, man, at my wedding, when we were sitting up in Zach's house getting ready, myself, Josh, and Zach, Josh sits down and he starts strumming on the guitar and just starts singing. And he writes a song at my wedding.

And I then hear the song maybe like a year later on a plane ride to new york and i remember hitting him up and being like dude that song you wrote at my wedding is playing on the plane and it's the one where it's like it's a wedding it's a freaking love song man and i can't remember i just remember love songs but it's like if you go something like i'll find you something oh come on i haven't played that song in forever you wrote that at my wedding and so i have to find it now so that uh dan could play it out you laid it down josh right it's available to an album called wet of mine called wax wings it's called okay daniel it's on Wax Wings. Thank you, everybody. The onesies Joelle told me are restocked on 1218 if you want to give the love of me and Donald

on your body. And thank you to Daniel, Joelle, Lena, our guest. And here is Joshua Radin with the song Donald just beautifully describes. What's it called?

When we're together. When we're together, y'all. Five, six, seven, eight. Whiskey and the water, fire and ice. No pleasure without sacrifice. The shore and the ocean, the moon and the sun. One without the other and both are done now. I believe in what's supposed to be, supposed to be you and me.

I'm with you forever, cause we're the best when we're together. Cause we're the best when we're together I'm with you forever You are the only one And we've just begun Let the wave in your ocean Fall on my shore Your glass is empty, I'll pour some more I left the table, lack of a muse

Gave me time to search for you Now I believe in what's supposed to be Supposed to be you and me I'm with you forever Cause we're the best when we're together I'm with you forever You are the only one And we've just begun

There are mountains that reach to the sky that I'd climb to find you If you forget, I'll do my best to try to remind you. I'm with you forever. Cause we're the best when we're together. When we're together. I'm with you forever. You are the only one. And we've just begun.

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