Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers - PATRICK J. ADAMS Brushed Death in the Grand Canyon

Episode Date: January 7, 2025

Welcome back Tripsters! Our first guest of 2025 is Patrick J. Adams! Patrick joins Seth and Josh on the pod and talks about his trips all over the world: going to school in London, traveling to Guatemala with his Dad, cottaging with his mom in Canada, his near-death experience in the Grand Canyon, and even welcoming a baby surprise-delivery style just like Seth! Plus, Patrick also chats about the Suits re-watch podcast, Sidebar! Follow Family Trips on YouTube, Instagram, and TikTok! Head over to our YouTube channel and hit subscribe so you never miss a new video episode! Watch more Family Trips episodes: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlqYOfxU_jQem4_NRJPM8_wLBrEEQ17B6 Family Trips is produced by Rabbit Grin Productions. Theme song written and performed by Jeff Tweedy. -------------------------Support our sponsors:NissanSo thanks again to Nissan for sponsoring this episode of Family Trips. Adventure calls in the first-ever Nissan Rogue Rock Creek. Learn more at NissanUSA.com Rocket MoneyCancel your unwanted subscriptions and reach your financial goals faster with Rocket Money. Go to RocketMoney.com/trips today -------------------------About the Show:Lifelong brothers Seth Meyers and Josh Meyers ask guests to relive childhood memories, unforgettable family trips, and other disasters! New Episodes of Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers are available every Tuesday. Executive Producers: Rob Holysz & Jeph Porter Creative Producer: Sam Skelton Coordinating Producer: Derek Johnson Mix & Master: Josh Windisch Episode Artwork: Analise Jorgensen

This episode of Family Trips is brought to you by Nissan. Adventure calls in the first ever Nissan Rogue Rock Creek. Learn more at NissanUSA.com. Here we go. Hi, Pashi. Hi, Sufi. You're looking dapper. Also, happy new year. Thank you. Happy new year to you.

I thought we were doing... I thought, like, it was new year, new you. Oh. So this is you, this is your project 2025 is to dress nicer? I thought, no, I thought we were, I thought I was the thing. Oh, you thought, and you thought you told me that?

Yeah. Maybe it was just subtle. With that said, I feel like I look nicer than normal. I'm wearing a collared shirt at least. Yeah, I'd say you're moving on. So it's 8 a.m. in LA. Yeah. So you woke up and you put on a suit for a podcast.

For, yeah, for, yeah. But I mean, it's not just any podcast, it's a. Oh, oh, okay. And, you know, and as a reminder, there is a video element over on YouTube so people could go check out Pasha's nice suit. Yeah, but if this is, yeah, if it's too much, then I guess it's too much.

But I mean, our guest today, I felt like also called for it. Oh, that's right, he's in suits. Yeah. Yeah. Patrick Adams is in suits. So you wore a suit for a podcast, one, because it's a new you, and two, because suits.

Yeah, maybe I won't wear it for the full interview. Now I'm starting to rethink it. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's good. A lot of people will, you know, who don't wear suits often, will like put on a suit and be like,

I can't even like move in this thing. And suits can be very comfortable. I know, but I will say now that I don put on a suit and be like, I can't even like move in this thing. And suits can be very comfortable. I know, but I will say now that I don't wear a suit on the show, when I put a suit on, I do feel very, I can't move in this thing. I mean, classically, historically, Dad always would wear a suit to work. And he would come home and the first thing that would happen was we'd go upstairs

while he would change into something more comfortable. Yeah. Not that that shouldn't sound creepy. Yeah, it did. With the way you said it did. Yeah. But it was, yeah. He, I mean, yeah, he was definitely happy

to get out of his suit. Yeah. And we would like jump around on the bed while he went into the closet. Yeah put on some jeans You know what a axle word is school his last day of school not a suit, but he wore a full Santa costume Oh look your met your metaconies here who's not This isn't his podcast, but he's here. You, Yorm. I'm here. What are we talking about, guys? Santa?

I love Santa. So Yorm and I do a different podcast called the Lonely Island and Seth Meyers Podcast. And we have to record, Yorm and I have to record something else after Josh and I record something. And this is very on brand for Yorm to be showing up at the wrong time.

Very on brand. But everybody likes seeing me. Seeing and hearing me. So, you know, I feel like it's good to jump in. Do you think Yoram could do what we're doing, Josh, and pretend like it's actually January? I don't know. Let's see. Happy New Year, Yoram.

Happy New Year, Yoram. Hey, good to see you guys. Yeah, what are your resolutions? Josh is gonna start wearing a suit. I'm wearing suits. I'm gonna hit the gym more because of my Biore, my love for Biore. Oh yeah, that stuff's soft.

That stuff's soft, you can pick out different stuff. Yoram, hypothetically, if it was, let's say, December 20th, what are your plans for the holidays? We're heading out to the Bay on Sunday. My mother, we're staying at my mom's house. She's going to Mexico City, so not saying her, but the Hellers are in the Bay. Are you really going to stay at your mom's house

and she's not gonna be there? Not gonna be there. My brother is in Mexico City. He's dating a woman who lives there. And so yeah, I've never been. I would love to go to Mexico City. I've never been there. Yeah.

Yeah, I think it's real cool, you guys. I think there's a lot of artists and cool stuff happening there. Yeah, high elevation. You think like, oh, Mexico, it's gonna be like right on the water, but now that- I flew in there once and I felt like I was flying

into the city for like 20 minutes. There's so many buildings, it's so big. And it felt like I was flying into the city for like 20 minutes. There's so many buildings, it's so big. And it felt like it was just like, oh my God, this is a never ending city. That elevation thing is what gets me every year in my holiday travel to New Mexico, which is everybody I tell I'm going to New Mexico says, oh, well, at least it'd be nice and warm.

And I'm like, no. Yeah, it's like, oh, it no. Yeah, it's cold, right? It's on top of a mountain. It's super, yeah. Do you get nauseous? Like, do you have to like, reacquaint? I get nauseous. Well, when he hits the bottle.

When he hits the bottle, we get too hard. When I? Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, you gotta get through the holidays, right, guys? Every time I go to Albuquerque, the only thing that makes me nauseous is the unfair reviews that MacGruber got. By the way, Mari recently was like, she's like, you know, her movie's a little bit more

controversial. She's gotten like lower reviews than she has. This is Night Bitch. Yorama's wife Mari Heller just directed a movie with Amy Adams called Night Bitch, which I have not seen yet, but I encourage everybody to see it. It's great. I think it's fantastic. But like, but like, but she is a little, you know,

she's just like not used to like getting more controversial reviews. And I'm like, and I immediately was sending her MacGruber rotten tomatoes. I'm like, oh yeah. Yeah. It's time for you. 35% audience rating.

We can speak from experience. We're huge MacGruber fans. Yeah. Yeah. So take those reviews and shove them. You're in that 35% of positive. The other thing about MacGruber fans. Yeah. Yeah. So take those reviews and show them. You're in that 35% of positive. The other thing about MacGruber, if you're looking for a holiday movie

that's under the 90 minute mark, that's what you got going for you, MacGruber. What, a lean and mean 87 minutes? Lean, mean, 87 minutes. Like I don't see the uncut version because like both me and Akiva, I think are guys who like the director's cut is shorter than the original.

Yeah. But yeah, I do not like that there's an extra three minutes in the uncut version. Well, I feel like, I don't know what else to say. It's just super weird that Yoram's here, but I kind of love it. You know, it feels like they're... I'm still on finish time, guys, you know?

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, been a week. Yeah, we just had Olyphant on, and he was talking about that Finnish licorice. He's a fucking joy. I gotta send you this video. We did a thank you video to Finland, and I was like, hey, let's go shoot this music video.

And he was like, I was like, what are you doing on Saturday? He was like, you know, I'm stuck here, man. Like, what else am I doing? So we filmed a little music video. It's 20 seconds. I'll send it to you guys. It's just him popping in a frame saying, Kittos, which means thank you.

And then it's, Kittos, Kittos. A 20 second music video saying thank you really will mean the world to the people of Finland. Just like a real waste of time. Well we're gonna just try to you know for the people who are listening to this for Josh and I and not Jorm, we're gonna get to our conversation with Patrick Adams. It's absolutely lovely. And as a reminder go to the go to the channel. You can watch this and you can see how genuinely surprised we were when Yorm showed up.

Also- I'm a lot of fun. Also- I'm delighted. We're taking Family Trips stories or questions on a rolling basis. This is just whenever you want, go to speakpipe.com slash Family Trips pod. We do love to hear your stories and we love to get your questions.

And happy new year to everybody who's listening. And we're very excited. And to your arm. Happy new year to your arm too. Happy new year to you guys. Oh, I think, you know, it's going to be a good one, guys. I think everything's looking up. Happy new year to you too, Jeff Tweedy.

Sing us a song. Family Chips with the Myers Brothers. Family Chips with the Myers Brothers. Here we go. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hello, Patrick. Hi. Oh my God. It's really nice. Guys, whoa, whoa. Hey, hello Patrick. Hi. Oh my God. It's really nice.

Guys, thanks for having me. It's really nice anytime. We've never met. We've never met. We've never met. Actually, that's not true. And I will say, where? Beck and Kyle are dear friends of mine from SNL

and I came to see them a number of times because they stuck me in the back door basically and I think I met you once and said some weird stuff about how great you are and then got really awkward and just bailed. So I think it was a good first meeting. Well, as a credit to you, I'm glad I didn't remember that. Yeah, let's do a rewind. We'll do better this time. I want to jump in and know this isn't technically a family trip,

but I guess it is because it was about a new family member and you were in a car. So your second was like our second. Came fast. Oh yeah, I'm glad we start. I've always wanted to talk to you about this. Yes, we delivered my second in the front seat of the car. Were you were in the lobby? We were in the lobby, so we hadn't even made it to the Uber,

but you're in LA, so you're in your car, correct? Yes, we're in our car. I had been shooting in Toronto. I got this job and it was during COVID. And so no one was working and I got this film in Toronto. We asked the doctor, can we do it? He said, you could probably get away with it. So anyway, I went up, she was very pregnant.

The night I got home, I got home at midnight from Toronto and she went into labor at four in the morning. Wow. But our first labor was like 26 hours. So we kind of were very lazy. We were like, we'll take the morning, there's no rush. Oh. And you know, we spent about three or four hours

at the house and then we were like, it's probably time to go. And then we got to the parking lot of Cedar Sinai and that's how far we got. Yeah, do they still charge you? Do they still, is there still a bill? I love that you asked that question. They did.

They did. I'm sure out there like Cedar Sinai will come after me for this. But yes, my lawyer, I don't remember why I'd spoken to at the time. It's not normal to call your lawyer right after you have a baby. But I, for some reason, talked to him and he said,

before you leave that hospital, go check the billing. And they had, in fact, charged me for delivery. Wow. Which charged insurance for delivery, but yeah. We had called 911 and then we had, we were told we had to get in the ambulance and go to the hospital. My wife was very-

The baby was born, the baby was fine, umbilical was cut, and Alexi was very much like, I think I'm ready to just go back up to the apartment. And they were like- The umbilical was cut like you just cut the umbilical cord? A fireman did, how about that? Oh. Yeah.

But at what point in the process did the fireman get there? The baby had been born. So the baby was sort of on my wife's chest. How was it for you? What was this? It was great. You know what? I recommend it.

I just thought it was cool. I thought it was exciting. No, it was, thank God it was, and I'm sure you feel this way as well. Thank God it was our second. Yeah. That you'd actually seen it happen once. You'd been through it.

Yeah. Totally. Because when you, I think every, certainly for a man watching it, every birth looks like something's going wrong. And yet you kind of realize, nope, that's just how it looks. And again, I was scared, but my wife is very on it.

And I think she, well, she wasn't sure. Their instincts are pretty sharp at that point. Yes. And I was kind of well, you know, she wasn't showing fear. Their instincts are pretty sharp at that point. Yes. And I was kind of like, this is historically through the history of man, ultimately like their instincts have been the one that have kept us alive as a species. Yeah, just do what they say. It's a good way to go. She had, it was funny, because on the way to the hospital, like you know in the first kid you have like months of planning

and you have your laminated game plan that you're going to tell the doctors and your candles are in the bag. And the second kid, we had absolutely nothing. And we were on the way and we're like, what's the plan, what are we doing? And she said, all I care about is that you catch the baby. I want you to catch the baby. And I'm like, sure, okay, yeah, we'll get the baby.

And then lo and behold, 16 minutes later, I'm holding a baby in a parking lot. Well, job well done. She got the baby. She got her way. She got her way. I do wanna, so you have two now? You stopped at two or you've?

That was our second, yeah. All right. Stopped is, yeah. Oh right, you don't know. Right in that zone. You did get a COVID baby. You're a COVID baby. Yeah, yes, it was very much a COVID baby.

I wanna get to your youth, we wanna get to your youth, but is it true that you are currently a camper family that actually drives in? Yes, are currently a camper family that actually? Yes, we have a camper van that I just, we drive it across the country. We have a place up near Toronto now that belonged to my mother and stepfather and we bought it from them two summers ago. So we have this camper van that we kind of fell into during COVID. We did that thing where everybody wanted to take a camper van trip and we did a few and we fell in love with it. And we thought, maybe we're camper van people.

And there was a company nearby here that was taking advantage of people who thought they were camper van people. And they were like, for a very small fee of hundreds of thousands of dollars, you can make your own and we'll rent it out and you'll get a percentage of that rental and it'll pay itself off after a percentage of that rental and you'll, it'll pay itself off after a few years. And we were like, great idea. You know, you use it two weeks of the year, the rest of the time

it's being used by someone else. So we did it. We paid an enormous amount of money to make this thing. And then like six months later, the company folded and they were like, here's your van and now we're full-time van owners. So we were thrust into, um, okay, we need to be a camper van family. So we drive across the country every summer. Okay, so it's once a summer, and I guess there and back.

How long does it take from, and I'm assuming it's, is it north of Toronto? Yeah, it's like that cottage country up there. The area is called Georgian Bay. There's like two, there's like a Muskoka and a Georgian Bay and we're up in Georgian Bay. I've been to the Georgian Bay, it's beautiful. It's beautiful, yeah. So what's the drive, LA to Georgian Bay? Oh God, we, because we have two little kids,

we try and like, we try not to be in too much of a rush. So I think this year we did it in eight or nine days. Great. Stopped at a Great Wolf Lodge in Kansas City, like you have to, just to really drive it home. And yeah, we take about eight or nine days. We hit as many national parks along the way and stuff like that, but it's great.

It's actually a really, at the end of a crazy year, the kids are out of school. It's like a nice way to transition into like vacation time up there. It's also a nice way to drive us insane. We have like, it's a very high and low eight days. Do you have kids that are old enough to be excited about this kind of trip? Is there anticipation?

They are very into it. Yes, they're at that great age where they're kind of excited about everything. But then as soon as it starts, there's also the things they hate about it. So it is a lot of time in the car, but because it's a van, we can get them, this is probably not legal, but we let them, once we're in a good straightaway and we feel safe, they can go and lay in the bed in the back to read the book or look at the iPad.

It's all about the iPad now. So for us, it's just the challenge of getting them to like look at the national park and leave. Do you get like a spot that you can pull up in a national park where you're crashing in the park? We actually don't do a lot of camping in national parks because it's pretty hard to get good sites in national parks. So that's what everybody wants to do.

The good thing about the van is it's so self-sufficient that you can be anywhere. So it has power and it has solar on the top. And so you actually go and find what are called dispersed parking spots, which are not official campsites, but they're legal. So you can go like find a logging road and sleep in the middle of the wilderness

and like a national forest where nobody's gonna really bother you, but it's not quite as like built up as a national park campsite would be. Are there ever scary moments? I know I once camped with just my dog on like BLM land. And there was like one car that was driving out this very sketchy dirt road towards me.

And I just sort of stood with a shovel next to my car ready to like fight or flee. Yeah, 100%. And then they drove by and I was like, oh my God, thank God. Yeah, this is the murderer moment. What is BLM land push? Bureau of Land Management.

Yeah. And I've seen Josh with a shovel. You do not wanna f with Josh. It's like a camping shovel that screws together. It's about this big. I know, I have one of those in the back. Yes, terrifying. I was most scared, I'm scared when I'm alone,

not scared, I'm more alert when I'm alone. When we did the trip back, I just ended up getting a job that started shooting in Montana, where I literally just got back from yesterday. So I drove the van from Toronto to Montana by myself, well, with our dog, and I did a night of camping that was pretty sketchy and had me a little worried because mostly just bears at that point.

It was also in like Northern Michigan, which there was just a lot of terrifying signage. It just did not feel like the place where you're like, if someone comes across me in the middle of the night, this might not be a great situation. But then you realize- The signs said things like, no one's your friend here. Yeah, yes. Basically, death, death to all who enter. be a great situation, but then you realize I'm in the middle. The science of things like no one's your friend here.

Yeah, yes, basically death, death to all who enter. How does your van handle? How do you feel behind the wheel? Do you have a confidence? Great, it's a Mercedes engine, so it's great. It's actually so fun to drive. The thing is you get used to it though, so you're up above everything, you know?

You're like above the traffic, and then when I get home and get in my normal car, I feel like I'm sitting on the ground. Do you ever get broadsided by the wind though? Isn't that jarring? Yeah. That's a thing. Yeah, for sure. That's a thing. And it's terrifying.

That's a sphincter, that's a sphincter tightener for sure. Cause it happens out of nowhere. Do you share driving duties with your wife? Do you guys go back and forth a little? Not as much as I should. Yeah. But she actually just, we were just in Montana together and we were supposed to drive the van.

It's all about how to get the van for me to be. So we were there and I was gonna have some time off. So we were gonna drive it together with the girls from Montana to LA to get it home. Schedule changed, I had to shoot. And so it was the first time where she was like, I'm gonna do it solo with the girls. We flew her brother up so that she had like a partner in crime,

but it was the first time she had done the van without me in it. And she was nervous and it was a total success. She loved it. So I think she just loves not having you there. Yeah, I think it was much better for her. You could hear it in her voice, you know, like, you know what I called her and she had like this sort of trucker, like this confidence in her voice.

Oh yeah, she changed. J2, I was like, how's it going? She's like, oh, we're doing great out here on the road. It's fine. I'm like, oh, okay. Calling you good, buddy. Yeah. Hey, we're gonna take a quick break

and hear from some of our sponsors. This episode of Family Trips is brought to you by Nissan. It's time to fuel your inner adventure in the award-winning Nissan Rogue, Rock Creek. So, Josh, tell me about a recent time you connected with your inner adventurer. Well, anytime it rains in L.A., which isn't very often, I throw my gear on and I get out in it.

And my dog Woody loves to get out there with me. And we'll start on a trail, on sort of a big fire road trail, but then we find those smaller trails where you need to crawl and get your hands dirty. And the wetter you get, the better you get. And yeah, that's what we like. I love it. What about you?

Have you connected with your inner adventurer recently? You know those squirrel suits where people jump off the sides of cliffs? Oh, yeah, yeah. I just watched a YouTube video of that. It gave me like, made my tummy feel weird. Yeah, yeah. Careful, don't watch too many of those.

Whatever kind of adventurer you are, the Nissan Rogue Rock Creek is ready for you. Thanks to its intelligent around view monitor with off-road mode, the Rogue Rock Creek helps brave adventurers like you and also Seth to navigate around narrow obstacles in tough terrain. Plus, with lava red stitching and Rock Creek embroidery, you're surrounded in style no matter where you go. Up on Rogue Rock Creek, she sends me. Right?

Yeah, we don't have the rights. We probably can't clear that. So thanks again to Nissan for sponsoring this episode of Family Trips. Adventure calls in the first ever Nissan Rogue Rock Creek. Learn more at NissanUSA.com. Intelligent around view monitor cannot eliminate blind spots

and may not detect every object. Driver should always turn and check surroundings before driving. See owner's manual for safety information. Support comes from Rocket Money. Hey, Paji. Yes, Uvi. So most Americans think they spend about $62 per month

on subscriptions. What do you think the real number is? I don't know. I mean, that sounds about right. Wrong. It's like $300. Whoa. It's a huge difference.

Yeah. $238. I'm good at this stuff now because I'm teaching my kids math. $238. Even if just a couple of subscriptions fall off your radar, those recurring payments you don't even know about could really add up.

And Pashi, you know me. Yeah. Nobody is worse at keeping an eye on their finances than ol' Sufi. Oh, yeah. You shouldn't be in charge of it. No. And thanks to Ragamani, I barely have to be,

because they're the ones who say, hey, did you know you signed up for a fantasy football newsletter years ago that you have nary taken a peek at in the past seven years? Probably paying like $12.99 a month for? Yeah. Yeah? But I'll tell you this, that's no fantasy.

Well, Rocket Money is a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps lower your bills so you can grow your savings. It's not just that posh-y, and how dare you think it just that. They also easily create a personalized budget with custom categories to help keep your spending on track.

See your monthly spending trends in each category, know exactly where your money is going. One of my favorite features of Rocket Money is that they will even try to negotiate lower bills for you. Sometimes by up to 20%. They automatically scan your bills to find opportunities to save. Then you can ask them to negotiate for you. They'll deal with the customer service so you don't have to.

They're the ones on the phone being like, hey, he doesn't need your help. You fantasy website you. Yeah. He knows who the players are. Rocket Money has over five million users and has saved a total of $500 million in canceled subscriptions. Half of that's me. Saving members up to $740 a year when using all the app's premium features.

So stop wasting money on things you don't use. Cancel your unwanted subscriptions by going to rocketmoney.com slash trips. That's rocketmoney.com slash trips. Rocketmoney.com slash trips. Rockandmoney.com slash trips. Here we go. Now, I feel like Montana, oftentimes people who have been on this pod and talked about it, that is a wonderful destination for a trip. I feel like you hit the jackpot that you booked a job there.

Yeah, I mean, it's insane. I'd never been to Montana before, so it's so beautiful. It was so cool to have the van there because I could actually camp out for work. We're shooting on this huge ranch out there, and it's sort of far from where we're all living in Bozeman. So I was just camping out on this property in the middle of nowhere, having a campfire every night and then show up to work the next day. It's the total opposite of what I've been used to, being on suits for so long, like shooting in the same office,

wearing uncomfortable suits. So when I came off that show, it was like, please God, just let me shoot something outside. And so I got my wish, I guess. Yeah, it's stunning. It's heartbreaking that one of the tidbits we've always learned is that, already learned I should say, is that the suits were uncomfortable in suits.

Just what I... It feels like... How do you feel? I guess you don't wear a suit most nights. I stopped wearing a suit and I feel great. I literally feel so much better. Just like, for me, it's like the neck. Every, like, just... Just this. Just everything.

And then on TV, it's all the detail. They need to know how the collar interacts with this. I like just. Just this, just everything. And then on TV it's all the detail, they need to know how the caller interacts with this. And so it's like one of the hardest things of being on set ever is how much touching has to happen. There's always so much touching. And when you have a suit, there's just more to touch. There's more details.

So there's just always hands adjusting things. When I was in college, John Malkovich came and spoke at our college. And somebody, like we had real theater kids and they were asking him about like movies and how the acting's different and he was like, in a movie, like right before you have to do a scene where you've heard that your mother has died, someone from the makeup department comes over, licks their thumb and rubs something off your cheek. Exactly.

And then they're like, hold on, hold, hold. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it is, it's a lot of futzing. So. I want to know something quick because I've become a fan of the show. I want to know how the wedding was. I feel it's super invested. Oh, great question.

It was fantastic. It was, yeah, it was exceptional. It was a long weekend, everything I had imagined. There were like, there were things that just worked out so well. Like Friday night, we didn't wanna plan another event or something, so we were like, just book a reservation at the restaurant or the hotel with some friends.

Where were you guys? Where was it again? We were in the Catskills. We were at the Glen Falls House. Beautiful. Which we had rented out the whole place. So we had the whole place. And so my now wife and I and her mother and the maid of honor and her boyfriend,

we had dinner at five o'clock. And then people just kept coming in and it's like a very small, cozy restaurant. And then eventually it was just like we had almost every table in the place and you could musical chairs your way around and sort of welcome people like that. There were, I will say, maybe three tables

that weren't associated with the wedding. And Seth, I think, talked to all three of them because he was being, he didn't know that. I thought with the wedding, and Seth, I think, talked to all three of them because he didn't know that. I thought they were guests, yeah. I did think they were guests. And then you believe that. They wanted to keep you around. I was talking to a guy who was there

with a three-year-old, and we talked for 15 minutes, and I'm like, well, I'm very excited for my daughter to meet yours tomorrow. He's like, oh, I'm not gonna be here tomorrow. Yeah, I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm like, all right, very good, very good, very good. How many people were at the wedding? How many were there?

It was 140. Oh, that's a good number. And yeah, and I was adamant about not knowing anything about the dress and the dress was a banger. Yeah. It was great. Yeah, she- Wait, when did it end up being the song?

The last I've heard on the pod, we were trying to figure out what your song was gonna be. It's a. Are we allowed to know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a Frankie Valli song. You're a song that I can't sing. Oh. It was a song, but although it was really like,

we had 16 songs that we had given the DJ, and he was like, you gotta pick a song. I can't play 16 songs. And we were like looking at the tent on the day of the wedding and like just walked through and we were like, we need to tell him something. So we were like, this one, this one. And it's one of the ones that Mackenzie

was leaning towards anyhow, but we don't have a song. We love that song, but it's not like our song. Yeah, I remember you saying. Yeah. Well, I'm so happy for you. Thank you. That's great. Yeah, as somebody who doesn't know you at all,

I through now listening to the podcast felt deeply invested. It would be a huge bummer if it was like, well, it was a dud. Yeah, she took it off. We did a lot of run up to it. It was a real a dud. Did you speak, Seth?

I'm assuming you had, you spoke, Seth. I did, I spoke. I was very emotional. It was... I felt great. And like, I'm honored to have the burden of responsibility for putting into words how I felt about Josh. I bet. I bet. Well, so happy for you, man. That's so great. Thank you. I don't know if I told you this, Josh, but...

Alexi was sitting with my eldest, stayed awake for the speeches. And I got up and I started my toast and I started with a joke and everybody laughed. And Alexi said, Ash laughed really hard and then looked at her and shrugged like, I don't get it. But I like that he was like, I'll play along,

but I want you to know I don't get any of these jokes. I'm not enjoying this. I am not enjoying it, but I get that it's important to dad. Yeah, I also liked, cause Axel was up for a little bit of like the earlier speeches, but anytime anyone swore, both boys would like look at each other and then look at Alexi like, that was a swear.

Yeah, yeah. They get very excited and semi-shocked every time they hear one. We're awake for swearing. We're awake for swearing. Oh, that's great. Did you, is it safe to say based on the fact that you bought this home in Toronto that was a summer house,

that that was a big part of your upbringing? Yeah, it sort of was, you know, it's interesting. Cottaging is sort of like a big deal in Toronto. That's like what everybody does there during the summer. Does it just mean lake houses when you say cottage? Yeah, so it's like, really, I mean, I grew up thinking that this was just sort of normal, but it's not. It's a very unique sort of part of the Canadian shield up there.

It's lots of lakes. The thing with Muskoka is it's like lots of little lakes, and Georgian Bay is one huge body of water and a lot of like little islands. But you'd always in the summer take off to the cottage, whether yours or somebody else's, that was kind of you wanted to get out of town. So we did a lot of renting of cottages growing up.

We never owned one until after my folks got divorced, the man my mother ended up with was a big cottager. And so they went off and found this beautiful tiny little island in Georgian Bay. So it was something that I was already, I think they got divorced around like 15 or 16 years old. So I was already kind of doing my own thing on the summers. And I was also pissed at my mom for getting a divorce. And so I would go to the cottage, but it wasn't like where I'd spend the whole summer. I'd go for a week or two, bring some friends up there. So it was a part of my life, but like my little sister was there all summer and

like working at the, you know, the diner across the lake and doing camp. There's a little camp across the, across the water for, for the kids. So, you know, a lot of people would do the full like two months up there and that, that wasn't my situation, but you. But when we lost my stepfather sadly past two years ago and the island is a lot of work, you gotta get everything out there. You gotta, you do the grocery shop two hours away, you gotta get it out and all the garbage is,

it's just an amount of work that my mom was not looking forward to doing. So she said, I think I'm gonna sell the place, but if you guys want it, I'd love to sell it to you. So we were trying it out. It's kind of wild to have a place so far, but so we've done the last two summers there and it's just magical.

I mean, I think you guys know you spend a lot of time out out of the city in the summer. Based on how, what a raw deal you got on the Sprinter van and the fact that Cedar Sinai made you pay, even though you had a baby in the car. I'm assuming your mom ripped you off. Your mom got you paid like two or three times. She is a business woman, come on.

Totally took you for a ride on this house. No, she gave us a very good, but she is a business woman. When she offered to sell it to us, she gave us the terms instantly. She had already thought about the contractual terms. Did she do that thing of like, I don't know, is it crazy to sell? And you're like, I mean, should we buy?

And then immediately you get a fax. She's like, here it is. I need to know in an hour. I have a lot of interested buyers. You gotta move fast. She gave us very good terms and she's very excited that I think that we're trying to like keep it going. But it is a little odd because it was not my,

I have an emotional attachment to it, but it wasn't like my, the whole way I spent my summer. So we're kind of trying to like rebuild it for ourselves and figure out what it is for our family. But it's beautiful. I mean, it's a stunning way to spend the summer. And is your mom then year round, is she in Toronto? So she actually has another place.

So we're on an island, which involves all the work that we talked about. She's got another place that's on the mainland that she can just pull her car into. So she spends the summer there and is close by, but it's a lot easier. She can come and go by car, and she can come out and visit by boat.

But we're the ones out on the island. Gotcha. Are you the only ones on the island? Yeah, it's a, this always sounds like weird, like it's just a small island. It is a very small island, but you could throw a baseball over the island, you know, it's a tiny little sort of piece of rock,

but we're the only ones on it, yeah. Oh, cool. But you like, there's an island, you know, you could also throw a baseball at the next island and there's those people. Right. Did they ever throw baseballs at your house? We're constantly throwing baseballs.

There is one downside of this cottageing life, is there's a lot of baseball throwing. You gotta keep your head on a swivel. Because you're surrounded by baseball throwing islands. Does your mom take, can she take her own boat over to see you? Yeah, she bought a, she got a new boat. When my stepdad rests his soul, he was the kind of guy who would never buy a new boat. He would buy only the oldest possible boat

because he understood how to fix boats. So the idea of ever having a new boat that just worked was insane to him and he would never allow it. And so my mother and I, by virtue of his decisions, would always be driving around these boats that stank like diesel and felt like they were gonna explode at any moment.

So when we lost him and it was time for us to figure out the boat thing, we were both like, we're gonna get new boats. It's a lot of money, but we just need to invest in this so that they work when they work. So yeah, she has her own and can get out to the island now. Yeah, you don't want to watch your mom push off a tiny island on a boat that you're like 50-50.

Yeah, don't know. That's probably not gonna make it. You know, I still got a deal on the boat. Yeah, yeah. He had like four of them too. We had to like, you know, when it was time to sell them, sell them, there's no selling it. It's like, please just take this.

I'm gonna charge you to take this boat away. That was the condition they were in. He would get, it was, when it was no longer technically a boat, he was like, I think it's time to move on. Not seaworthy for sure. So when you were a kid and you were sort of renting these cottages,

was that exciting for you? Were you little, little when you were going up there? And you've got two sisters, am I right there? Yeah, two sisters, older and younger, Meredith and Ariel. Yeah, it was always great. I loved getting out of town. My family wasn't like, the thing that we didn't do was like camping.

So this was as close as we got to like nature, which was great. But I always felt like I wanted to be a camping family. Like I wanted to know what it was like to be in the tent and go backpacking and do all that. So that was stuff that later in life, I sort of tried to teach myself or push myself to go do or get people to come do that with me.

But as a kid, that was as close as we got to the lake and the trees and nature. So it was always great to do it. And just a good way to spend time together. Both my mom and my dad were pretty devout workaholics. And so my memory of the youth was just like them being gone for long periods of time doing things. So when we got to the summer and got to be there, it was the time when we all got to

just be together, you know? Yeah. What would you do for like school vacations? Would you travel anywhere else or would you go see grandparents or? So my family was weird. My father was a journalist, like a foreign correspondent.

We lived in Canada and then we moved to London when I was like seven and I was there for about four or five years. So we were closer to Europe at that point and our vacations were always like a bit more adventurous. Like my dad was really devoted to like giving us cultural experiences. Like he wasn't a resort beach guy even though we really wanted him to be. Like can we just do the Disneyland thing maybe? You know he

would be like no we're gonna go to Israel. We're gonna drive through the West Bank. We're going to go to Hong Kong. And these weren't working vacations? This was just places he wanted his kids to see. This was like, we are gonna go have this experience. And it's an amazing gift. It didn't make for relax.

They were not relaxing vacations, moment of relaxation. They were always like, you'd kind of come back wide-eyed and like, oh my God, I saw a part of the week. It's exactly what he wanted, you know, an education essentially. But, you know, as we got older and then my parents got divorced,

I was like, can we just go to Disneyland? Can you just take us to a resort? But we'd go, we'd end up going to a resort. And within two days, he'd be like, let's get out of here. Let's like go into town. Let's like go find like the weird part of the city. Because that's what he did for a living. Like he was constantly surrounding himself in places like that.

And I just don't think he really felt alive unless we were in those environments. So yeah, our vacations were always definitely educational. Sometimes a little scary. We'd get into some hairy situations. And now- Do you remember a time where you were like this? Even as a kid, you were clocking,

this isn't where we should be right now. Well, yeah, I mean, like, we're like, scary to talk about because obviously Israel's hot button, but like that trip to Israel was pretty crazy. I mean, my mother, well, where did it start? It started with us like going to the airport, obviously, and my sister, who at the time was like 16, 15, and it was just a total nightmare teenager at that point, and the wants, who at the time is like 16, 15, and is just a total

nightmare teenager at that point and wants to make everyone's life hell. And we're in the security line to get onto the plane to go to Israel from London. And so they're taking it very seriously and going through everything and they grab her guitar and they're looking at her guitar and looking inside of her guitar. And she, that little 15 year old looks at the garden. It was like, what, you think I put a fucking bomb in it? Yeah. And the whole airport shut down. They put her in a security room.

They said the flight was not taking, like it was so intense. And finally they released her after two hours. She never saw the guitar again, gone. That was the beginning of the Israel trip. That was like, the Griswolds go to Israel, essentially. Now, I obviously think that was an overreaction to somebody pretending they had a bomb.

I don't think that's an overreaction to somebody who travels with a guitar. I think anytime someone comes to the airport with a guitar and is not on their way to a paid gig. Did us a favor in a way. Shut it down. And then that trip, you know, so many crazy things happened,

but it ends with my mother going, we should drive through Hebron. Right. Like just go for a drive. Your mom's complicit here in this like. Well, yeah, but my mom, I think, it was like, my memory was, I asked them about this, because my memory was we should drive through Bethlehem,

was my memory, because that's Bethlehem, and we should go drive through it. And my dad says it's Hebron, and I'm not, I haven't looked at a map recently, I'm not sure how close they are, but anyway, not a part of the world you're supposed to be driving around with yellow Israeli license plates, which we had because we had been spending most of our time in Israel.

And as we were driving through Hebron, our windows all got smashed by rocks. And that was like the end of it. Understandably, like this is not a place for a family trip. And... And obviously you were in a situation where your sister could like play a folk song to calm everyone down. If she'd only had the guitar! If she only had the guitar! And Cedar Sinai billed you for the windows.

They billed you for the windows, which is like, that's years ago. They always get you. They always get you. Yeah, so it was stuff like that, you know, which ended up being this like incredible life experience for what was I eight years old at the time to just set up, be like, oh, the world is a place where it is complicated and things like this are happening and to have a father who could explain to me what just happened and why it happened and get us out of there safely.

It sort of felt like I was, you know, my dad was like Indiana Jones or something at the time. Yeah, we've got some research here that says you also went to Guatemala. Was that also, did that get sketchy or was that? That never got sketchy. That was just beautiful. It was coming up on Y2K and there was all this talk about what was gonna happen and what it was, but it felt important. And so, and it was just after the divorce. So, I remember it was just like a tricky time

and we wanted to spend more time with my dad. And so he wanted to do a vacation with us and my sister had already left the house, wanted to come and do something with us. So he picked, I think we decided we wanted to do something in the Aztec realm, because there was so much talk about, or the Mayan realm, sorry, the Mayan calendar at that point. So we picked to go to Guatemala and it sort of started,

again, started Resorty, like we were out in Belize, I think, which is just next to Guatemala, and we were on the beach and doing the beach thing and swimming with sharks and all that stuff. And then we decided we were going to drive to Guatemala to be there for the actual for New Year's. And we ended up you know sitting there are all these temples. I can't remember exactly to call it's to call I think is the name of the ancient Mayan city we were in. And anyway, there's a temple of the sun. And so, you know, this is my dad. He's like, well, let's climb the temple of the sun

so we can watch the sunset on the millennium from the temple of the sun. Wow. I was like, okay, fine. And then of course it's the most miraculous, beautiful thing. And then camped out, you know, for New Year's and all these bonfires out there

and people celebrating New Year's and then everyone in the morning before the sun came up on the new millennium went up and climbed up to the top of the temples and with hundreds of people on top of these temples, we watched the sunrise. So yeah, like incredible. So what's the, I mean, how old were you in? 1981, 2019.

So that's a good, I mean, that's a good age to see a sunset on the millennium. It was like the perfect thing for me at that time. And I was so grateful and it was really matched up with this divorce energy and this like life is changing. I guess it wasn't right after the divorce a few years, but like that was a painful time and figuring out what our lives were

and what our family looked like after that. I just remember that trip being pretty fundamental. I do think that would probably put things, not make everything better, but certainly put it in perspective when you watch the sunset on the temple of the sun. Kind of ruins New Year's for the rest of your life though. You can't really.

And they're like, there's gonna be an all you can-can-eat shrimp buffet. I'm there. And now we're gonna take a quick break to hear from one of our sponsors. This episode of Family Trips is brought to you by Nissan. It's time to fuel your inner adventure in the award-winning Nissan Rogue Rock Creek.

Hey Seth. Yeah. Tell me about your inner adventure. Are you a rocky trails guy or more of a snow roads bird? I'm a snow roads bird like to go up my snow roads Maybe pull over at one point pop off a couple snow angels back in the car keep on rocking Yeah, I was gonna say your snow angels are some of the nicest snow angels. Yeah scene They look as though they, an angel fell from heaven and just splatted into the snow.

Yeah, one thing I will say, a note on snow angels. You don't have to do them face down. What? This is gonna be a game changer. What about you, Posh, Rocky Trails or Snow Roads Bird? Well, I mean, I'm a bit of both. I do love when you're in a vehicle that can handle some rocky terrain.

I like driving slow and feeling a big old tire sort of creep over a rock and sort of waggle you back and forth. And that's the kind of feeling that you can get with some confidence in the Nissan Rogue Rock Creek. And I would say a lack of confidence in the car we drove in high school, which was a Renault Le Car, and if it was even a little bit rainy you wouldn't go outside. Whatever kind of adventure you are the Nissan Rogue Rock Creek is ready for you thanks to its intelligent around view monitor with off-road mode. The Rogue Rock Creek helps brave adventurers like you and also Seth to navigate around narrow obstacles in

tough terrain. So thanks again to Nissan for sponsoring this episode of Family Trips. Adventure calls in the first ever Nissan Rogue Rock Creek. Learn more at NissanUSA.com. Intelligent round view monitor cannot eliminate blind spots. It may not detect every object. Drivers should always turn and check surroundings before driving. See owner's manual for safety information.

Here we go. Hey, what is the age gap with you and your sisters? We're all six years apart. Wow. Yeah, pretty big spread. You must have a very unique relationship with each of them because it probably was never a time where it felt like the three of you were all hanging out

and doing stuff together. Yeah, yeah, I think I'm lucky because I'm in the middle, so I feel like I have a very, a closer relationship. I think for them, I don't wanna speak for them, but I think it was a different thing because that's a 12 year spread, which now they're very close, but I think that's happened as they've gotten older.

But yeah, I mean, it's all I know. So I've seen other people who are much closer and obviously our kids are closer. So I think there's a real benefit to that. You have sort of more of a playmate, but I think at the same time, I sort of idolized my sister and I don't know if I would have done that the way that I did

had she been closer in age. We certainly fought a lot, but actually- Josh idolizes me and it's only two years. Well, that's obvious. Yeah, you don't need it. But I also, I see the failings as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you see it.

You sort of say often, you see me the way one might see the millennium, the dawn of the millennium on the temple of the sun. Were you guys always close, or did you have a period when you were younger when it was like, get away, just stay away from me? No, pretty much always close. We were always us. No, pretty much always us, yeah. I mean, I would say like maybe, like I would say like my senior year in high school

and your sophomore year in high school was the time we had our own strongest friend group. Right. Yeah. But that's just like, that's just being older in high school. Yeah. Is it just the two of you? Yeah, it's just the two of us. Okay, right.

The best thing that happened at my wedding is we had like a hangout with just me and Josh and my parents, and we were just sort of having a cocktail about an hour before the wedding. So that's how it went right, Posh? Yeah. And I said, hey, I've never asked this. What was it like the two years I was gone?

You know, I went to college. Right. And then by the way, then Josh gone? You know, I went to college. And then by the way, then Josh ended up coming to college with me. So we had absolutely shared everything. And I go, yeah, just like- But there was two years where you worked together. I was like, what is that?

What happened to those two years? And they said, literally all three of them said the sweetest thing, which was, I don't remember. Every one of them was like, I have no memory of it. I don't, I really don't. It was like the sweetest thing to hear. them was like, I have no memory of it. I don't. I really don't. It was like the sweetest thing to hear. It was like, oh my God, it was so boring.

You said that was the best part of your wedding. The best part, yes. Does your wife have you told? And I'm not gonna change my answer now. I see what you're trying to do. I'm not gonna change my answer. I just wonder if she knows. The opening of my vows were, well, it's been all downhill.

Since this conversation with my brother. The entirety of my vows were like, my parents and Josh just said the sweetest thing. Yeah, it was just like, you get so busy when you're like a junior and senior in high school, you have your whole kind of life going on, which I think is what's supposed to happen because it gets you ready to go off to college

and be your own person. I've got a friend right now in LA and his wife just got this job where she's out of town a bit for these big chunks. And his son just went to college and then his daughter is a junior in high school. So it's just him and his daughter at home for like big stretches of time.

And he's like, it's so weird, but also she's so busy. Like she's just out doing stuff. Everything's happening. Yeah. My kids are so young, but I have friends who have kids that age and it's just, it's a full-time job. I mean, they're just, it's like they're getting ready for college, they're writing the essays,

they're getting all the test prep, it's nuts. Yeah. So it's crazy. I mean, I think we're very lucky to have that perspective of, I also have a lot of friends whose kids are like, I feel like a half generation older, and I think it's good to have those friends because they're all like, dude. Enjoy it. Like, however bad you're like sleeping is now, it gets so much worse.

Enjoy it. Like, when they're like, you're dumb. Do you, so was there, do you ever remember a trip? Because I guess too, like just sort of the, if my math is right on the timing of the divorce, do you remember a trip where it was all five of you? Israel is one of the last big ones maybe, and maybe that's why it weighs so heavily on my mind too. We did a cal, I was really young,

that's funny, I actually have a picture. This is like from a trip I have no memory of, but that's me and my sister in California. You know, that was a trip that we did, a road trip that I've had them tell me a bit about, but you know, they got so busy, my dad was just flying all over the world. He would disappear for months at a time.

So it was rare that we would line up and be able to do it. I think we did some ski trips, but usually because of my parents alternating work schedule, it was like one or the other, which is maybe why divorce happened eventually. But they were always great, but to have the five of us together was pretty rare. Who did your dad write for?

So we worked for the CBC when we were in Canada, and then the Christian Science Monitor, when it was a paper in, and then the CBC moved him as a foreign correspondent to London where we lived. And then he worked for the Christian Science Monitor and then he ended up leaving there and he didn't work for the BBC.

I think he started working for Global. Can't remember. I think he might've also gone freelance at that point, but then we moved back to Canada and then he bounced around a little bit before becoming a teacher and now retired. Do you have a lot of memories of your time in London? Loved London, yeah.

I mean, it was terrible. You know, the age, when you go at eight years old and change your whole life, it was like, you're killing me. This is the end, I can't do it. And so there was about a year of just feeling like I was a complete, just like, I didn't fit in at all. And the kids were just brutal, but then found my school, found my place,

found my friends and then loved it. I loved being in Europe because these trips, these little trips we would do would be what you would normally be here, like let's go to Big Sur, but instead you'd be in Switzerland or just have these crazy little trips in Europe. Were you devastated when you had to move back?

Yeah, yeah, of course. Like devastated when I had to move and then when it was time to come back, like no, no, no, no, no, wait a minute, this is my new life. Someone pointed out that's ultimately like everything you bring your kids to. It's like, all right, come on, there's a Halloween party.

I don't wanna go, I don't wanna go. And then you finally get them there and they're like, we gotta go home. And you're like, could one of these, could you agree with one of these? Just one thing. Just either be happy to go or sad to leave or sad to go and happy to leave for this.

My therapist has helped me to realize that maybe some of the issues in my life have to do with that, like exactly that moment where you're building a sense of ego and identity. Like between eight and 12, where like you're holding onto anything at all to be like, is this me? Is this where I belong?

That's when I moved all the time. So by the time I like get to adolescence, it's like, who am I? Where am I? What's going on? So I've gotten to spend the rest of my life figuring that out. Did British kids at eight think your accent was funny?

They thought everything was funny and British kids are ruthless. At least they were in 1989. Yeah, it was pretty, I remember it being pretty brutal because at first they were trying to put me in British schools. So like my worst memories were like, let's go try this school for the day.

And to an eight-year-old, you go into a British school, it's like you're in a World War II movie, they're wearing the little shorts, they don't understand a word they're saying, they're all laughing at you and insulting you and insults you've never heard, and they're not shy about it, and the teachers don't care. It was just eviscerating. I'd come back from these days and be like, I can't do this. It's also so funny to be like, all right children, this is Patrick.

He'll be here for a day and no longer. So, there'll be no consequences of fallout from how you treat him. He's a pimp! Get him! Stick more gator with the boom! Oh, God. Yeah, so then I ended up finding a school

that was a bit more closer to like a Western education there and had like a mix of kids from all over the world and sort of found my way and found acting there, honestly. That was like the first time I was exposed to that. And you know, once I found that, it started to feel like I had my place. And just as I started to figure that out, it was time to move, go to a different country.

Sure. And back to Canada. Would you travel around the UK a bit as well? Or when you traveled, was it mostly going to Switzerland? Yeah, we did the UK. Up and down we went to Scotland. Yeah, all over, all over. I think we didn't really ever do Ireland.

I did Ireland as an adult, but yeah. There was a fair amount, my parents were good that once they weren't working, we were on the move, we were doing something interesting. We didn't like to sit still for very long. Yeah, that's great. So I feel like we got a lot of the United Kingdom. I want to, I'm going to make this a very tortured transition.

Great. But I feel like when nobody could move, right? And I'm hopefully, is this my timeline right? Is the re-emergence of suits COVID or is it post-COVID? The re-emergence of suits is strike. Strike. Which all felt, it felt COVID-y. Yes, it was that thing of like where-

It feels like we all just transitioned one into the other. When did it dawn on you that it was happening and what was that like? Because it is so unique that a show has an emergence like this. It's completely, yeah, it was a slow drip. I mean, I had moved, transitioned into like, obviously sad that the strikes were happening and that no work was happening, but I was also in like, obviously sad that the strikes were happening and that no work was happening, but I was also in like, I'm going to embrace this time. Like I'm gonna be with my family. We were up at that cottage that I was talking about.

It was our first summer there. So I was going full mosquito coast. It was, having lived through the 07, 08 strike, the timing of this past one was way better because it was a summer strike. It was a summer strike. And so I was like, I'm just going to be with my family. I'm going to enjoy this and do this cottage thing

and pretend I know what I'm doing at this cottage thing and crawling around under cabins trying to teach myself how to do plumbing. And I was really pretty grungy and growing the beard and just living this sort of out there life. And then I started getting these thinking, there's no work. There's nothing to be done. I can just ignore that completely.

And I started getting these like emails from, you know, the reps being like, hey, just so you know, check this out. You know, it's dropped on Netflix. It's, you know, broke one week record, broke the two week record. And then, you know, and I kept just being like, okay, I don't know what this, it doesn't mean anything.

What is that? It'll be over in a flash like everything is. And over the course of like, okay, I don't know what this, it doesn't mean anything. What is that? It'll be over in a flash like everything is. And over the course of like those eight or nine weeks or whatever, it just became this record break, like an unimaginable amount of numbers, like 58 billion minutes. I love how we like rank things in minutes watch now. Is it a palpable difference in how often you are recognized?

Yes, it's changed. And it's also for me, yeah, I guess the recognition, it started to die down a bit, but it's also like the people, other people in the cast will argue with me, but I never really had a lot of young people, even when Suits was like in its heyday, so to speak, there weren't like, it wasn't cool. It was like, hey, my mom really loves you. Can I take a picture?

It was not like, hey, dude, oh my God, you're my cross. It wasn't those people did exist, but it was not the overwhelming amount. And I found that with this run, all of a sudden, like 17 and 18 year olds are as excited as their moms, which is not what our experience was the first time, which is really cool. So it's not only has it reengaged people, it's for some reason found like a younger audience as well. Multiple former cast members of The Office when they're on my show, like Rain or John or Jenna. When they come out, like they've all said to me,

like the audience is like cacophonous when they come out. And they're always like, that would not have happened when The Office was on. Like there's... Because it had that second life too. Yeah, that it became a show that everybody watched, you know, on sort of like on a loop, a comfort loop. And I think in, and because they were a COVID show, right?

That happened in COVID. I think that was a COVID show, yeah. And so I think for both of us, maybe us being post COVID, there's like an emotional attachment to it that's different than the first one. It wasn't just a show on TV. Now it is a thing that got me through a thing. Like this was a really hard time

and this gave our lives purpose and direction and made us feel connected. And I think that creates maybe a stronger bond, I don't know. So you're doing a podcast, which is a rewatch podcast, and this is my favorite detail. So you and your co-star, Sarah, Yeah. never watched the show?

Yeah, I mean, we'd seen episodes of the show, but I think what we've, maybe 10 tops of 134 episodes. And is this sort of just the way you approach all your work? Yeah, I can't watch a thing. I get it. Even having this little square with me in it right now is really problematic for me.

I'm the guy that if you take a picture of me, I can't just don't. On set, they should continuity photos. Like, okay, look at that. Like, don't show it to me. I don't want it. It gets me in my head. I have some body dysmorphia, whatever it is. Like, I just, it's way better for me to not get in that mind space. And I'm not proud of it. It's something that I wish that I could be better at, but I learned it really during Suits. When you're going nonstop, you have to shoot the next day.

You're shooting 16 hour days, five days a week. It was like, I can't, I just need to do the work. I can't think about the outcome. Thinking I would do it later, oh, when the show's over, I'll watch it. But then of course, when the show's over, you're thinking about what the next thing is. So yeah, it just never happened.

And then it went into the past and then I left the show a couple of years earlier than some of the people and I was like, okay, what's next? And just forgot about it. And it was like, okay, that was this wildlife changing event, what's next? And this resurgence really for me was just a wake up call

of like, maybe take a look. Like maybe, maybe take a look, a, because there's people who are really excited about it and these podcasts that we've been listening to, like it's a really good format to do that. But take a look because like you're, you know, like you're ignoring it and that can't be healthy. You know, like, like dive back in, like change that thing which has maybe all this like sticky feelings about it, like dive into it and see what that's about and maybe turn it into a bit of gratitude

and like acceptance and you know, joy, because it was a really incredible time that did change everything about my life and trying to sort of keep it up on the corner of the shelf felt a little weird all of a sudden. So yeah, that was kind of- And then I imagine also that it must,

having the podcast must force you to sort of meet it out and do, you know, one at a time. Like you can't- And slow it down, you know? When you're shooting these things, you're like, I've said it a few times, it's like you're running a marathon at a sprint's pace. Like you are, you, it is so,

you're going so hard for so long. Like you are, you, it is so, you're going so hard for so long and it goes, you just miss moments. You don't get to enjoy really any of it right until you get to the end of a season and you go, oh wow, we did it. And so this is an opportunity to like enjoy each episode and like in conversation with somebody else who was having a different experience while it was happening, talk over the scenes,

what was going on for you? Cause we're as interested in that as we are watching over the scenes, what was going on for you? Because we're as interested in that as we are watching the show. Like, what was going on for you? What were you doing? You know, Sarah had this totally different experience of the first season and that she was separated from her family. And I was working all the time because I was, you know, one of the top two. She wasn't in that first season, so she's separate and having this very sort of like, I'm not working enough to be distracted. So I find that stuff

endlessly interesting. Sometimes I'm worried people don't really want to hear how the sausage is made, but so far on this podcast it seems like the fans are really interested in that kind of behind-the-scenes stuff. So yeah. How much did you interact with Doug Liman? Very little. Love him though. He's so good. He came, I hope this is not taken out of school. All I remember the first meeting was he came to a table read and that you really not been too involved

up until that point. He produced the show, he directed the pilot? No, he didn't even direct the pilot. Hypnotic, his company produced the show and really his right-hand man, Dave Bartis, was the guy on the ground making it happen. He had much bigger things going on, obviously. And then he showed up to the table read

and the first table read, we're all like, oh, you're here. And we did the table read. And then as if it was like, we were gonna start shooting on Monday. And he's like, all right, well, you're here. And we did the table read. And then as if it was like, we were gonna start shooting on Monday, you know? And he's like, all right, well, I've got some notes. And he gives notes that you would have given at the like, we shoot in a year stage.

Right. And because it's him, he's just so friendly about it. It was a matter of fact about it. Like, well, I think the third act needs a lot of work and we're gonna need to restructure it. I remembered them being like, okay, actors, why don't you get out of the room? We're gonna have a little chat.

And also don't go practice your lines. Yeah, yeah, exactly. We're gonna change it all. Yeah. He was great. He was great. I wish we had him more, you know, because he was at the time doing a lot

of interesting television, but for some reason, it just didn't line up. And I mean, I know he was involved behind the scenes and looking at cuts and giving ideas, but not as much as we would have liked. Yeah. Hearing you talk about sort of going back to Suits is not entirely dissimilar to the wedding, in that we had such a different experience of it than everyone that was at the

wedding, and now my wife, Mackenzie, is like, hey, can I see your pictures and your videos from like other people because in a lot of ways it was a show that we put on. And we're like, I've been telling her, it's like we were in a play and when you're in a play, you never get to see the play. Nor should you.

Yeah. So that happened for us. We had the most magical wedding. I was, we came out of our wedding just high on it. It was so wonderful. And then someone sent the video. They were like, hey, we cut together the video. Do you want to see it?

And we watched it. And it was a beautiful video and I couldn't watch a frame of it. Cause it did not. That's where I have. I was like, this is not my, this cannot do justice to the feeling that I had coming out of this weekend.

It's making it less and I can't deal with it. That's a real, talking about not wanting to see a continuity photo. In my head, I am way more dashing as a wedding. This was, yeah. Then all of a sudden I'm sweaty. I was Prince Charming. Just like my head's matted.

Yeah. I feel like in like, again, time heals everything, so I'm sure we watch it in like 25 years and we can have that feeling again. You want to be old enough that however shitty you look to your wedding looks handsome to how you look now. Exactly, which at this stage of my life is like, every week it's just downhill.

Any day now you and I are gonna sit down and watch it. It's been fantastic meeting you officially, talking about everything, and now Josh is gonna ask you some questions that we ask all of our guests. All right, here we go. You can only pick one of these. Is your ideal vacation relaxing, adventurous, or educational?

Adventurous and educational are an interesting distinction. I mean, I guess given what we've talked about, I think adventurous, and I hope there's some education in there, but I'll lean adventurous, yeah. Oh yeah, very good. What's your favorite means of transportation? Campervan, gotta go campervan.

I'm invested at this point. Is it so well-organized? It has to be so well-organized, doesn't it? Yeah, you can go online. We did one of these architectural digest walkthroughs of our house recently, and I forced them to come do an architectural digest walkthrough of my camper van. So it's somewhere online.

It's quite small, but it's very well organized, and it's got a kitchen and the whole thing. So yeah, I'm a Virgo, so things need to go where they need to go. Yeah. If you could take a vacation with any family, alive or dead, real or fictional, other than your own family,

who would you like to take a family vacation with? This is hard, because I feel like you've had every family, right? There's no new answers to this question. No, we're surprising. It's Demi Lai, I talked to my wife about this, Swiss family Robinson. That's a good one.

She said Robinson Crusoe, and I was like, are these the same thing? And it sent us down a rabbit hole of understanding. Robinson Crusoe you don't want to be with. Robinson Crusoe was the original book that Swiss Family Robinson was... Oh, interesting. Like, I guess there was a lot of fan fiction,

I guess, essentially, at the time. Gotcha. And that's why Swiss Family Robinson's called Swiss Family Robinson, but. Yes, Swiss Family Robinson. Swiss Family Robinson started on Reddit. A lot of people don't know that. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fun fact, first on Reddit. Yeah. So Robinson Crusoe or Swiss Family Robinson? Swiss Family Robinson. It's the same. I think Crusoe gets a little darker. Yeah, right.

I'll go Swiss Family Robinson. Okay, great. If you had to be stranded on a desert island with one member of your family, who would it be? I love all the members of my family, to say that at the beginning, I love you guys. My younger sister is an incredible chef, which would be amazing to live with,

but my older sister lives off the grid in a cabin on the northern reaches of an island off the coast of British Columbia, where she hunts and gathers and fishes. Oh, wow. the grid in a cabin on the northern reaches of an island off the coast of British Columbia, where she hunts and gathers and fishes. Oh, wow. And that's the person that you need to have on the desert island.

Any guitar fear? Is there any? Can't go near it now. Okay, go. No, she makes guitar bombs now. That's what she's doing. Oh, God. See, you can find her on Etsy.

Etsy Black, the black Etsy. It's the 4chan Etsy. The dark X Etsy. Are you from Toronto proper? I am from Toronto proper, yep. Would you recommend Toronto as a vacation destination? It's hard. I recommend, yes.

It would be, you know, obviously a city vacation, but I love Toronto. I think it's an incredible city. It's unbelievable food. The people are wonderful. So, you know, I love that city so much. Vacations are tough. Whoever wants to just go to a city for a vacation, but go to the city, then head on up to cottage country. I did stand up there this winter, and I will tell you that the opening joke that went really well based on just driving in from the airport is like, you have a beautiful city,

like I think you guys can stop building it because there's so many. That's good. They're just like so, every time I got a crown, it was just like cranes everywhere. It's insane, that's a great joke because it is, yeah, and it's like the traffic is, I think it's now considered the worst traffic in the world.

Literally, like that's not hyperbole. I think it is. People say that the 401 in Toronto is the worst highway in the world. Do you call it T dot? I do not. I call it Toronto. Or the six.

No, I don't call it that either. I've also heard a car raccoon city. I don't know if you've heard that. Is that like a Drake thing? No, that's a,. I've also heard a car raccoon city. I don't know if you've heard that. Is that like a Drake thing? No, that's, and I know there's like a raccoon city in some like horror video game, but it's like, you guys had raccoons that would like live in the city all within like, they'd live in a three block radius

for their entire lives. And then you changed your trash cans to have like a little lip or some lever that raccoons can't operate it. And then the raccoons would around. Then they were like losing their minds. The raccoons in Toronto are pretty legendary. Yeah, you see some big ones.

Yeah. All right, and then Seth has our final questions. All right, Patrick, have you been to the Grand Canyon? Well, guys, this is the one. I've been to the Grand Canyon many times, and the closest I have ever come to death in my life was in the Grand Canyon. Really?

Now a lot of people, I mean, rest in peace, but you know, this is happening to a lot of people. Was it user error, or do you blame the Canyon? Never blame the Canyon, always blame the user. I had a friend who planned a trip and I did not follow up. He's like, I got it, I did the details, just show up. And so we got in the car and we went on a backpacking trip on a route that not a lot of people are on,

not just the normal up and down in the main area. And he had just miscalculated the time of year where water was gonna be, long story short, that thing, the sign that's everywhere in the Grand Canyon, have enough water, know your sources, da da da da, we're fine. About halfway through the first day, we ran out of water and we thought that there was like water coming

or a creek at some point and there wasn't. And he ended up vomiting and passing out and dropping down. And I was starting to get dehydrated and there was no one for miles. And I was tearing through the canyon, screaming at the top of my lungs. And I was like, I have to make the decision to try and push forward.

Do I eat my friend? Do I eat him right now? It's right now. I should start eating him. No, I just really, it was the scariest moment of my life. I was like, this is, I have to make a decision now that I'm going to have to live with for the rest of my life. And how did it resolve? He's dead and I left him there. No, this is the crazy part. This is where it gets biblical almost. And it's hard to believe, but this did occur. I was screaming into the canyon, literally screaming like, help, hoping someone

up there would hear, which is hopeless. And all of a sudden I hear a clap of thunder and I look up behind me and there's this, it was a perfectly beautiful day. This cloud comes up over the top of the canyon and fills the sky and it starts pouring rain out of nowhere. There's a horned ram like behind me when I do this. Literally, I'm not joking up on the canyon. No, we just saw, we were just at the canyon. We saw like a big one sheep. Yeah, just like standing there and then another clap of lightning and the ram took off and I was like, I have to get back to my friend and started running through the rain.

Snakes were coming out of the ground at this point because it was raining. So there's all these snakes. I get back to him and he's finally awake because he's cooled down and I'm like, we have to walk. We are gonna die here. We have to walk. He's like, okay.

And for the next three miles, we're just pushing no water, both getting dehydrated. And finally we come up over this ridge and see down that we finally have gotten to a creek. And we spent the night there. So you didn't walk back to the top. You kept. There was no walking back at that point.

You know, you're at that decision, you're looking at the map and we're like closer to what should be water. But at that point we've had so many what should be water moments. But we're at that point where again, it's just so many choices. You're like, and is this the choice that kills me?

Do I go back or do I go here? Do I leave you here and go ahead and hope I find someone to come back for you? It was a real nightmare. So that was my first Grand Canyon experience. Wow. I can't believe you went back. Let me just stress.

I had to re, I had to re, I had to expose myself in a different way. That sounds wrong. Don't expose yourself to the grand candy. How was the rest of that first trip after that experience? Were you just sort of on a high, on a strange high? No, we were, it was really kind of the dissolution

of that friendship, if I'm honest. It was too bad. Like we don't keep in touch anymore. There was really just this like, we survived this and we could never speak again. Like it was just, we were already a bit at odds with each other. And so it was one of those trips where like we were doing it

to see if we could still be friends and like figure it out. And by that point it was like, no, this is clearly indicated that this time in our lives is over. How much water did you start with? Did you have like- The normal amount, like never enough I guess. But I was drinking it liberally.

I was really like, you know, let's go for it. Like I'm, because that you showed me on the map where the water is. So it was, yeah, it was really dumb. Ooh, mama mia. Dumb dumb. But I love the Grand Canyon, you know, despite it. We're gonna, I don't know if in the end

they're gonna let you be their celebrity endorsement. What a pleasure, man. I hope we see you in person soon. It was really great talking to you. Thank you, it was really great to meet you both. I'm a huge fan, thanks for having me. Thanks man, love to your family. All right, all the best. When you're delivering a baby In the parking lot, in the parking lot, in

the parking lot When you're driving through Hebron Look out for the rocks, look out for the rocks, look out for the rocks If it's summer up in Canada Go out to the cottage, go out to the cottage, go out to the cottage If you're wondering what these things all have in common You just heard it all fool, we have Patrick Adams on That Patrick Adams on. That Patrick Adams, with the J, he's got a cottage on an island in the bay. It's not enormous, you can clear it with a baseball.

Neighbors throwing baseballs, what's with all the baseballs? Bought it for mama, who moved to the mainland, less upkeep, so it seemed like a good plan. Gave him good tarum, she wasn't being cutthroat when it was done. They each bought a new boat. When he was eight, he moved to London. But how to find the perfect school was a conundrum. British kids with thick accents. When you're a student for a day you're playing defense.

Against these toughs in their little short shorts. With their stickball and their funny Brit sports. Eventually he settled in and found his friends. But before you knew it they were moving back again. When you're ringing the millennium, go to Guatemala. Go to Guatemala. Go to Guatemala. Got a guitar at security.

Don't say it has a bomb. Don't say it has a bomb. Don't say it has a bomb. If you hike the Grand Canyon, you gotta bring water. You gotta bring water. You gotta bring water. And if you hear a thunder clap and you see a ram Then you'll live but you don't ever have to see that friend again