Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Stat Surprises + Bucky Hype, Purdy Gets Paid - Fantasy Football Podcast for 5/20

Episode Date: May 20, 2025

Fantasy Football show for May 20, 2025. Stat surprises for 2025 fantasy football! Find out which players look like draft values, based on stat projections for the Ultimate Draft Kit! Plus, Brock Purdy gets paid, Marvin Harrison adds muscle, and more!  Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast.Get the lowest price on the 2025 UDK at UltimateDraftKit.com - Instant access to the Dynasty Pass with the UDK+(00:00) Introduction(04:25) Stat Surprises(04:45) Roschon Johnson(10:20) Jameson Williams(16:15) Bo Nix(19:55) NFL News(28:10) Mailbag(28:30) Quarterback Tier Drops(35:00) Drake London outlook(42:45) Bucky Irving hype check(50:10) Drafting Trey McBride or Brock Bowers in the 2ndConnect with the show:Subscribe on YouTubeVisit us on the WebSupport the ShowFollow on XFollow on InstagramJoin our Discord

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in. Andy. That's the best you've ever sounded. Oh Welcome in D That's the best you've ever sound that was a weird one dude Hey guys

Welcome to the fantasy footballers Happy to be here. I'm Glad to be back on the show. He's Happy to be here I'm Glad to be back on the show. He's happy to be I sound great Yeah, this is why we had a two-man show last outing and why we should have had a two-man show this out Yeah, if you're like, hey, why was it like it was worse than this, right? The bear was better. Oh Yeah, he held it down Excellent wisdom. I am to win not to speak. I mean, it's a May episode of the Fantasy Footballers.

And we are like, what, 10 days away from? 12. 12 days. Oh, so I get to do player profile videos. Yeah, you do. Oh, that's cool. Over 100 of them, Andy. Do I sound like a raspy, sexy scoundrel though?

Is it like a? One of those, yes. Not telling you which one. No? Welcome back to. But it's raspy. Welcome back to Arizona Jason. Yeah, no, I had a weekend in Vegas.

Bulk season? A little bit of bulk season we ate. We ate our weight. Kings and queens in Vegas and... Bulk season? A little bit of bulk season we ate. We ate our weight... Kings and Queens in Vegas. You were celebrating your 20th anniversary? Yes, sir. Celebrating with putting on six pounds. 20 for 20.

You said something yesterday on your way back like you might move there. I don't think I'm going to stay here. I think I want to live at the Wynn. Can you get a year round at the Wynn? I don't know, Mr. and Mrs here. I think I want to live at the Wynn. So. Can you get a year round at the Wynn? I don't know, Mr. and Mrs. Wynn, if you're listening, I am willing to accept a full-time residency. So we're doing, we're getting these messages from Jason.

Oh man. That definitely had the illusions that he was in Vegas. I mean, he was, he was coming after, he was coming after a my guy that I have on my initial list. Just like, where were you when you're messaging me about a my guy? Were you in the middle of a- You better not have been at the tables. You better not have been at the tables. You better not have been at the tables.

You better not have been at the tables. You better not have been at the tables. You better not have been at the tables. You better not have been at the tables. You better not have been at the tables. You better not have been at the tables. You better not have been at the tables. You better not have been at the tables.

You better not have been at the tables. You better not have been at the tables. You better not have been at the tables. You better not have been at the tables. You better not have been at the tables. You better not have been at the tables. But we do know the UDK is coming out in like 12 days 12 days and Very very excited about that all the free rankings for 2025 Draft rankings our initial set they're up on the website the fantasy footballers calm you can go check those out the communities that join the foot comm and Yeah, 12 days away very excited today We have some kind of stat insights, some initial thoughts from our rankings that we wanted to share,

and we'll get into some mailbag, and yeah, that's what we got going on. How are you doing, Mike? You're not coming back from Vegas or an illness. No, I'm good, man. You're just living life. Hey, everything is everything. Everything is regular,

which is a pretty great place to be. You don't want to, you want to be regular. Not too high, not too low. Oh, yeah. I'm just talking bowel movements. Yo, I got there. I figured the joke out. Oh, we're doing great.

We're doing, Deucer's Alley, the guys are there. Oh, no. Oh, no, Matt. We got a bleeder. Oh, man, Andy's embarrassed. He didn't realize. Sorry, Matt. he shouldn't have gone to the camera. But now everyone can go to YouTube and look at Deucer's Alley. So we're doing great. Thank you for supporting the show.

The Falcon soared too high in the altitude. Oh no. And got blood in the nose. Yeah, I went to the Deucer's camera and forgot he was a medical emergency happening in Deucer's alley. No one's going to screenshot it. Oh man. Oh no. What did I just say? What is happening today? What's happening? We don't know what's happening. I'm commandeer their ship. We have a quick question, Mike. What are we doing?

So the quick question today, the stats are done. The initial, I should say the initial stats for the UDK where we go out, we rank the teams, we put in projections for the players, and people wanted to know, you know, like what do we have surprise-wise? Because the initial set always has some very interesting things where it either confirms exactly what you felt in your heart or you find out that the heart

has been overpowered by the mind and logic has prevailed and you're like, oh well, I guess I'm not as high on that player as I thought I was so we say we all picked out You know some players that we thought this is very interesting. I'll start here and the Chicago Bears running back room is Strange we had the whole offseason Deandre Swift's saga where he surely was going to be replaced in the draft and Swift saga where he surely was going to be replaced in the draft and Ashton Gentry did not drop to 10. So they took Colston Loveland, they got their Sam

Laporta and then in the second round right before the Chicago Bears were about to pick, Trevion Henderson kind of the final of the like the real big boys the real big prospects he got picked and then the Bears Bears are like, okay, we're out of here. And then you kind of saw, like, you can follow a trail of breadcrumbs throughout the draft as well, seeing the Bears about to be up, and then a running back getting selected, and they're like, ugh, okay, move back, we don't care anymore. So the room as of right now, it's Deandre Swift

and it is Roshan Johnson and after going through my stats and my projections because like Swift is he feels like it's way too high but it like man what I don't know what you do with the with the Ben Johnson system but the point of the Ben Johnson system at least in Detroit was it was it was a timeshare it was a two-headed monster where the the veteran Najmeer Gibbs you had David Montgomery often starting the game often playing the the bulk of the first quarter and you're like I Ben Johnson already had the Deandre Swift experience and when he had Deandre Swift that dude played a low amount of snaps. He caught a bunch of passes, but

snap wise it's very low and you're looking at the depth chart, who else can possibly step up? So I gave a healthy projection to Roshan Johnson and he is firmly in the range of guys that I will be targeting as of right now. Yeah, I mean that is late round sleeper category for Roshan. Of course, yeah, I'm not gonna overreach for Roshan. It's so, I did not know this was your, what you were gonna bring up today. And so I will tell you, I'm not kidding when I made and retracted a trade offer for Deandre Swift this morning.

Because of how much confidence I have on what they've done on the offensive line. In fact, part of the news today was Joe Tooney signing another two-year deal They have Jonah Jackson a toony year deal. Yeah, I wish swish No, tixie back sees Jonah Jackson Jason. You're shaking your head like you weren't thinking I was terrible I beat you it was terrible. I love their offensive line changes

I love Ben Johnson being there and so my first gut reaction was like, I just think DeAndre Swift is going to be better than people think, even though I don't think he's that good of a running back. And then I took it back. I literally offered the trade and retracted it because I don't want DeAndre Swift, which means that the, you know, the byproduct of that thinking is, hey, who can step up? Who can be a contributor? Yeah. Ben Johnson, I mean, this is a really good point to bring up, Mike, is the fact that

we have... This isn't like, oh, he's bringing his system over and he likes two backs. Okay, that's fine. We have literally seen this offensive coordinator, who is now the head coach slash offensive coordinator here for the Bears, with this running back as the lead predominant back. The guy that we, that the fantasy community viewed as the lead back. Yeah. Back then we really wanted him to be something. Yeah absolutely and and and after that season he went and got a big contract so it wasn't a bad season. Do

you know in his final year with the Lions Andy got traded after that season I didn't get the money then fair do you know how many carries he had in his final year with Detroit in very swift 14 games I know he was probably great on a per touch basis he was pretty good on a per test basis but he had 99 total carries with that team well he couldn't yeah I mean they just had no confidence in him. I'd say, and in that year, that was the Jamal Williams year, where Jamal Williams goes from just a lovable backup running back who had a few opportunities in Green Bay, and you're just like, okay, he's not that dude. He's a fine player, but then he goes out for Detroit,

gets so many touchdowns and then he's gone. And then Jamal Williams goes to another team and you're like, this is, Jamal Williams is toast. He has nothing left. And they were just using this guy who was inefficient in the year, so 2022, that's the Swift year. Swift was at five and a half yards per carry, but they wanted to keep his carries low

and just kind of get as many chunk plays as they can. And they would go to Jamal Williams who was inefficient, but they kept giving him the ball over and over and over. So this is not an anti-Deandre Swift thing, it is a pro-Rochon. A little bit. A little bit, but this bit. Your ultimate draft kit surprise was Rochon Johnson being higher than what you expected. Because if you look at ADP right now, Rochon Johnson is just left for dead. Yeah, he's got to be close. He would be an

undrafted player. Pretty much. I'll talk about a player from Detroit. It's Jamison Williams. That was one of the players that stood out when I got through my initial stat projections. I have him at 11 at wide receiver right now. Some interesting things about Jamison Williams. I have always been a Jamison Williams fan, much to Kyle's chagrin. I feel like last year you saw a lot from Jamison Williams on that offense. He was over a thousand yards, seven touchdowns scored on the ground, missed two games. One thing that's interesting about him, I mean this was a 12th overall pick and he has progressed every year. The confidence in Jamison Williams I think and what he can do for this team like we all like and understand Amon Ra St.

Brown's role in this offense. I think we're always a little bit surprised at how many touchdowns Amon Ra manages to score for what kind of wide receiver he is. Mm-hmm. Because he's got the dog. He does. He's got the dog in him. But I think Jamison Williams is going to take another step forward.

When looking at his numbers, I haven't projected for a 19.4% target share. Last year he was at 17%. 19 is fine. So I've got him at 19% this year. I have him scoring eight times through the air. There were only four players, or I'm sorry, there were only, yeah, there were four players last year with four or more games with 20 plus fantasy points. Jamar Chase, Mike Evans, Brian Thomas Jr., Jameson Williams, and he missed two games last year. He is that kind of player. He is the out of nowhere 178 yard type of game. He's actually one of only nine players in the

last decade with a thousand plus receiving yards on fewer than a hundred targets. To me, that is headroom for him to become more integral in this offense. There's a lot of things that you know when you look at Detroit they have a tough schedule. Their offensive efficiency without Ben Johnson. What's that going to be? Yep. Will Jared Goff be a successful? But I do believe in the system. I do believe that they're a top 10 offense if they're not the number one offense. And I think Jameson Williams is just one of those players. He gives you like you he's going to get the ball 15 times on the ground on end arounds and he's got that explosive speed. I was not expecting him to end up in

my top 12. But I feel like I sat in a mount for a really reasonable season. I lowered his yards per reception to down by a yard. He still, I think it's a big surprise for fantasy players because he's still with 66 completions, his level of explosiveness puts him into that category where he can be a weekly game changer for you. Yeah. I mean, he had those four games for sure. There was some weird disappearing stuff but he is a player who my like in my ranks he's not nearly as high as he is for you Andy but he is a

player who I was pleasantly surprised to to to get the projection out there and feel like this is a player who because when we're doing projections we're not necessarily early I'll speak for me, I'm not projecting ceiling case for any of these guys. I'm going with more of a, okay, things go right, you know, they play 17. Well, health, we project for health. Projecting health, which is very difficult to do

because you have, most players miss a few games, but then you get, but then, I don't know, I don't wanna project missed games, but then you get, but then I don't, I don't want to project missed games unless I know for sure like, oh this dude just never plays the full season. Here's what fantasy players are gonna have to decide with Jameson Williams, because I have him ranked ahead of like four names that I would say are illustrious but older. So you're thinking about players like Devontae Adams at this stage of his career, right? Tyreek Hill at this stage of his career Mike Evans at this stage of his career even somebody like AJ Brown

Who is not too old? But you know that often those are players that you're gonna have to look at Jameson Williams who again Very young does he have more headroom those guys those other guys are not going upwards. Tyreek Hill, he's not on the way up. Yeah, no. Some of those old guys, I have AJ Brown still in a different tier than those other guys, but- Yeah, and that's understandable. Obviously, this is why in the Ultimate Draft Kit, we have an upside meter and a risk meter attached to these players. So it's not just, you get our tier tiered rankings and you know, you get our stat projections, everything. But then there is also like, what is the upside case for these players? Jameson Williams,

I imagine for all three of us is very high in the upside rating because he has physical ability and speed on a great offense where he could pull away and make a make a big difference in fantasy. My, the things that I saw when I was statting out the UDK, one thing that wasn't surprising that is fun and one thing that was surprising, the fun not surprising thing to me, last year I did not have a single rookie, which this felt so weird and bad, but I didn't have a single rookie running back in my top 30 last year, which I didn't see Bucky Irving coming, but outside of that

I was like, okay, well that makes sense. The math checked out it was right. Yeah, we had what? Like, Mart? Tyrone Tracy was okay. Well, no, I mean before the season. We were looking at Jonathan Brooks. Yeah, the big names were Brooks and Benson. Yeah, Marshawn Lloyd, Benson. Yeah, Lloyd and Brooks were hurt. Yeah, so it wasn't good. This year, I have six rookie running backs in the top

30, six of them, and I will be blown away if we don't have six rookies in the top 30 at the end of the year. I've been telling people, if you're drafting, draft rookies. If you're going deep, if you're in a dynasty league and your rookie draft is over, go scour the waiver wire and pick them all up because the depth of quality of the rookie running backs coming in this year are outstanding. So that wasn't surprising. The surprising thing for me was Bo Nix. I like Bo Nix. I believe in him as a player. I believed in him after the draft. It was a great rookie season. But when I really break it down, I look at how the team is progressing,

what I expect him to be able to do touchdown, percentage-wise as far as just what percentage of his passing attempts end up in passing touchdowns, his rushing ability that is, I think, not talked about enough. I was really, really surprised. He's currently my quarterback six. So I mean, he was a top ten quarterback last year, and the first month of the season he really didn't do hardly anything despite starting. He was very handcuffed by the coaching staff and was used like a rookie quarterback where it's like the reins were on him. Don't screw it up. Yeah, but the second half of the year, the whole last three quarters of the year, he was so good.

So I've got him high. Andy made me a ridiculous trade offer that I saw come through. Ridiculous how? Ridiculous in the sense that it was terrible. You offer, so the trade was basically Kyler and picks for Bo Nix and picks in a dynasty league. The problem is, the picks were on the Kyler side,

like I could trade Bo Nix and sacrifice picks to receive Kyler Murray. My dynasty rankings, I have Bo Nix ahead of Kyler Murray right now straight up. So when I saw the trade come through, I thought it was a one for one. And I was like- I thought about one for one. And I literally was like, okay, push comes to shove. Would I really rather have Bo Nix than Kyler? Because I've got Bo Nix right now. Would I really rather have him than Kyler?

I'm not sure. And then I look at the picks and I'm like, wait a minute, that's the wrong side. Well, look, I don't think, I think we know that Kyler in the right season could be number one overall. He could finish it, I mean, he's finished it too before. The rushing upside of Kyler Murray gives him a different ceiling, but I'm with you. The reason you make that offer is because inside

you're saying like, well, Bo Bo Nicks longer term, more stable, pocket passers that can be in the four to six range maybe, long term, I mean that's the thought process there. Some people are more tantalized by the ceiling with a running quarterback and maybe that's a prescription for somebody to try out, because I think in a lot of leagues, I think in the majority of dynasty leagues, people are gonna look at Kyler Murray ahead of Bo Nix. Oh yeah, I think that that will until the end of,

not me, but until the end of this season, I think Kyler will be ahead of Nix in most dynasty startup rankings. Obviously Kyler has more rushing upside than Nix, but you look at last year, Kyler had 572 rushing yards. That's outstanding. I expect that to go up this year based on some of the off-season reports, but Bo Nix had 430 rushing yards. He is a mobile quarterback that's not Lamar and Kyler and Jayden Daniels, but he is not like the, oh, I'm gonna add 200 rushing yards.

This is a significant fantasy tool that Nix has. You know what, just because of your negative comments about the trade, I won't be trading you anything for Travis ETN. You can keep them. I really need to get some from him though. We'll take a break. We'll hit the news here in a second. A reminder, ultimatedraftkid.com lowest price possible if you pre-order before June 1st. Get all of our projections in

detail on June 1st. We'll take a break we'll be right back. News and notes from around the league. The 49ers they did it they signed Brock Purdy five-year 265 million dollar contract 181 guaranteed no trade clause that one is that's a that's a big one that's a brilliant one because Shanahan yes is he'll turn on you he is cutthroat man you know players love Shanahan is... He'll turn on you. He is cutthroat, man. You know, players love Shanahan, but he will 100% turn on you. He will throw you in the doghouse, he will cut you either from the roster or with a knife.

Yeah, he'll attack you. He's that kind of man. So this is genius that they have a no trade clause. It's like you are the quarterback of the 49ers for the foreseeable future. I cannot imagine the feeling of signing that contract if you're Brock Purdy. Oh, my good last pick?

You were the last pick in the draft. You went to a team where you seemingly had no chance. They had just traded their entire future for Trey Lance. Yes, and they had Jimmy Garoppolo, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So they had two people ahead of him on the depth chart. he just signed a piece of paper that guarantees him 181 million dollars congratulations mr. Purdy like and he was I think he'll be successful I the 49 we don't talk schedule release a ton we we mocked it a little bit in

terms of fanfare yeah but the 49ers, there's a reason, like we kind of were like, why is this six-win team where they are with the Super Bowl projections in Vegas? Their schedule is the best in football. Like the NFL believes in the 49ers, they're in prime time a bunch. This team is going to win a bunch of games this year again. They just signed Fred Warner. The offseason, yes, they lost some pieces, but you lock up Brock Purdy. Things are just looking

really, really good to me for the 49ers. They're just such a tried-and-true organization. You can trust it. And Brock Purdy, he's locked up. I mean that's another dynasty target oh sure Brock Purdy is not given the allocates you know he is a wonderful fantasy asset and he's not seen that way. You know he was the quarterback 14 this current season and he missed the game. His upside two years ago he was the quarterback six and still like he is not drafted. I look at him like I mean he's not that far off of the bone. Next conversation. Yeah, Baker Mayfield. Yeah, I mean it's a pocket passer. It's 48 possible finish.

But look huge deal huge deal. And the 49ers are locked up at quarterback. So, um, congrats to Brock Purdy. Mm hmm. That's a one in a billion situation for him to come in and do what he did. Right. Nick Sirianni, multi-year contract in Philly. Makes sense. This is the time to sign your deals, man. Make sense. I just love that he would, he was on the hot seat last year. Yeah, he was. Like in season. Yelling at the fans. And then you, look, you win the Super Bowl.

He had to shave his head. Yeah, he had to do a reboot. He had to do a press conference because it was like, that's right, yeah, he was hiding behind the kids. He was hiding behind the kids. He was on the hot seat. He's a weirdo, but he's a good coach. And they won a Super Bowl.

They've been there twice, one-one. It's impressive. If they lose a few games, they will turn on him, too Oh, they will. Yeah, but now he's gonna be like remember when that city hated Andy Reid He's just oh man, whatever fire me. I was gonna say best job in sports is a fired coach And I will make millions the NFL owners are scheduled to meet today and tomorrow to vote on a proposal to ban the tush book And it's gonna happen which sucks and is gonna completely change my rankings I mean this is I do not think I do not think it will happen. So, you know Oh, thank you for the biggest issue with this is

At least look the way that I am reading it with all the information that I have and perhaps there's more that was not shared on social media. But it was a you know it looked like a clear screenshot of this is like in a in a in a document. This is what the language of the rule will be. And my reading of it is it's not just get it. It wouldn't just get rid of the tush push. It was all those pile plays where you have a running back who gets stood up you know by a couple defenders he's still kind of moving and then the reinforcements come in the old line comes in they push sometimes the running back is lifted up in the air we've seen that a whole bunch that's hysterical and it's a play that people love uh-huh crowds go

insane when you're the home team and that happens, your team gets an extra five yards that you were not expecting to happen. When is the last time you've seen that play? Last season. And you've seen someone get hurt? Oh, it- I've never seen it.

Maybe it's happened. I don't know if it has, but the point being, they're trying to get rid of the tush push. But I think that they're going to bring in a headache of if they have to actually manage that as a rule. Let me give you a couple points of clarity that I believe will exist. First of all all pushing of that sort was banned prior to 2004. Yes. And it was too hard to administrate.

And so they got rid of that. And that opened the door for the tush push in its current form to happen. I still believe the stipulation that will exist on this rule, if passed, will be the term immediate. It will be immediate push. I think that is the term. Upon snap.

Just immediate. Yeah, upon snap. just immediate. Yeah. Upon snap upon snap, which will eliminate this play, but not throw into question the downfield, you know, dog pile pushing situation. We'll see. I'm I'm fairly sure that if it goes through, that's the form it will take last. I'm not confident it's going through, but you know, we don't want to overreact in the other direction if it does go through because look Jalen hurts squat 600 pounds the offensive line is what's doing the push the majority of the time

I still think there will be a tremendous amount of sneaks going on that are successful from Jalen hurts if they get to the one yard line They're not gonna be like oh, we can't do this now I think they're gonna give opportunities for players to get into the end zone that way Yeah, if you know like Josh Allen's been having a tush push and he's scoring ten times a year If if you don't put people behind Jalen hurts to push him He's still super strong. He's gonna get there Tom Brady had an unstoppable quarterback sneak You know, you just need something he he could Know when and where to line up and Jalents knows how to lift the house with his legs.

Well, he's never been pushed correctly. No, no, that's what I'm saying, but he still scores on the ground all the time. Yeah, he gets stopped way more than Jalen Hurts does. So that will, we'll see. Look, by the time you're listening to this, we may have some more insight. It's just, we're recording this early on Tuesday.

They're voting. I think that's the major news we got, if you want off season muscle hype, Marvin Harrison. Oh, love it. You can go look at big Marvin Harrison. He's gained some weight. Hey man, love it. The mild adage is when a wide receiver

puts on weight and muscle, I love it. When a running back loses weight. I love it. Yes. When a running back puts on weight because they're like I'm gonna bulk up. No I do not like that. That doesn't work out. I have you know Marvin Harrison in my top 12 as well. Please, please. I think that's all we'll cover today news wise Mike you ready for him. You got something else Jay. I was just checking. I've got Marv at 12. Oh Marv bros. Yeah

We already know how Mike feels. Yeah burnt Yeah, yeah was um try to tell you So Jason's got both sides of it he was right on the bus and he's got him up high this year Hey when you're right, you're right mailbag time Mailbag Yeah, we do have a voicemail question if you wanted to submit one to the show you can go to the website the fantasy footballers calm Click on the submit a question button or dial the 302-464-TFFB number we'll start with a voicemail hey ballers Chris here love the show just

wondering what your guys opinions are on the quarterback rankings this year I feel like there's a big drop-off after Jalen Hurst and I kind of like the idea of drafting the Justin Fields the Drakes, the Caleb Williams later in the draft Retractably, let me know what you think. Thanks. So the question was, you know, it's just quarterback strategy and talking about the big boys at the top which would be so, you know, top tier We got Lamar Allen, Jaylen Hurst, Jayden Daniel, and then Burrow is in that category. Burrow is not in that category to most people. He should be in that category.

He's in that category for me. Right. He's the fifth quarterback ADP-wise, going right now at the 4-5 turn. So things have really changed when it comes to drafting and what the market is where you know when ten years ago when we were first doing this show the the really late-round quarterback strategy it was extremely effective want because people kept people would prop up pocket passers and take those guys real early and you just we would tell you, no, there's such variance here. One year, Baker Mayfield will throw what was it, 4,040.

The next year, it could be 3,529. And that's like, that is such a devastating drop off in fantasy production and it's just, it's not sticky. Joe Burrow's like the only guy to me where it's like no I'm gonna I will count on Joe burrow having in the mid-30s at least in passing touchdowns I feel like the names he brought up though If for the late are like a third bucket right like there's there's those top four or five names if you include burrow then there's another bucket of like Middle to late that is gonna end end up being, I mean like.

That's like Kyler, Boeniks. Baker, Dac, Jordan Love, and then even Mahomes. And then you've that third bucket that May and Fields, it's like, those are very questionable whether you'll be able to rely on them week to week. Absolutely. You can take the shot. I mean, I don't mind you taking that shot, but you have to do that with, maybe it's the final two picks. You're taking two of those guys. Yeah, I don't mind that strategy at all. And you got identifying the proper late round guys. I mean, I like Drake May a lot.

I'm saying taking the shot last year on Baker Mayfield late was not something many people did. He's stringing together a bunch of fantasy games And he's still a waiver wire guy and we're like I don't know if Baker can keep doing this and then he did but so I'm saying that is sort of if you're Well, he ended up was your top five quarterback. He was but once he lost Godwin yet He had it wasn't as good. It was a pretty soft middle. Yeah, the edges were very rigid, the middle very... The cookie, it was a soft middle.

So... That's what you want. Where I'm getting to... Yeah. But I want. But the crispy edges, technically, in that analogy, are what you wanted because yeah they are better but in the football thing coming together I mean you say you want to solve middle I

want a soft middle with hard edges on a cookie right on a cookie but in the season not on a quarterback not on a quarterback well I mean big Ben's more of a soft right big Ben is a soft middle the the point being when you're looking at the late round guys target the ones that do run. Because that's what the OG strategy 10 years ago was, people weren't wise to how different a mobile quarterback was for fantasy football. And we could find those guys late.

Just a reminder, Lamar Jackson, at the year two, was a double digit round quarterback and it was go did we know for sure it was gonna work no but this is the type of archetype you want to go after. So name one. Drake May and Justin Fields. Drake May and Justin Fields are two guys that I would. What about Caleb? He I wouldn't. Or are you trying to put it in the box of like the rushing upside? Yes, that's exactly when I'm going late. That's the type of player I want to play who's going to give me 400 something yards at least on the driver Lawrence. No, I wouldn't answer

the question of the voicemail, which is he sees this top tier bucket, which I don't think he's including Joe Burrow, which he should, but after Jaylen Hurts, it kind of drops off. I would prefer to either take one of those really impressive mobile quarterbacks, the Hurts, Allen, Jayden Daniels, or wait all the way. I don't want that middle tier guy. I know I just talked to Bo Nix. I think I'm okay middle tier. I know I talked to Bo Nix. I know you like Baker Mayfield. Look at Bo Nix as the rushing upside. But it's like there's still quality running backs and wide receivers in those rounds where those quarterbacks are going.

But I don't feel like they are not going to lap the field at quarterback. Caleb was on pace for 4.76. Yeah, which that is a fair point. I would take the bottom of the second bucket. I don't think Caleb is going to go late. I would rather go all the way to the... Versus the bottom of the I don't think Caleb's gonna bottom of the second bucket I would rather go all the way third to the I Really believe in Drake me Drake may is a top 12 quarterback You can get if you could get Baker in the eighth round or you're taking well sure

But I mean I think Baker's like a fifth round pick right now is he? Baker is going at the 601 so the five six turn Yeah, you get to a certain place is Is that a basketball or a sleeper? Sleeper. Wow. You get to a certain place later where I'm saying to myself, would I rather have Baker or Bo Nix or Kyler, or take a shot on a team in New England that's

going to win a handful of games, a handful of games in New York. That's where it gets a little freakier for me. But I mean, what does it cost? What does it cost? That's my point. It's so late. No, I'm saying, what does it cost to take

one of those middle tier quarterbacks? I mean, if I can, I'll take the bottom of the middle tier in the eighth round. So the bottom of the middle tier in the eighth round is an acceptable pick. That is Bo Nix. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's at the 809.

That's what I'd rather do on a team that's playoff bound. In the eighth round, that is good value. Like that's a big difference to me. Baker and Bo Nix got them similarly ranked where they're finishing near each other. But the difference between a six round pick and an eighth round pick for two quarterbacks

that probably have the same range of outcomes. Yeah, no, that makes sense. Instagram question from James. What is Drake London's outlook with Michael Pinnix Jr.? He's only 23.8 years old. He's entering year four now, Drake London is. It was a certified breakout, almost 1,300 yards, nine touchdowns.

Was the wide receiver six? Those, we don't have a lot of, the sample size for Pennex is. Was it three starts at the end of the year? Yes. Or was it two? It was three. Do you remember Drake London's targets in those three games?

I remember this. I remember this all the time. 6,000 targets, 14 million yards, 97 touchdowns, Hall of Fame bust. Absolutely. It was. 221 target base. The last three games of the year in general are kind of

Stupid sometimes stat wise and then you they can be it was also I mean Giants the commanders and the Panthers Yeah, yeah so The look at this the outlook for Drake London is that that's the profile on the archetype you need to be betting on 100% well, let's look at our numbers. I am a little, like, I think my compenix is... Are you soft in the middle with Drake London? Is that what you're saying? I'm concerned about... That sounds like what you're saying.

I'm concerned about penix, man. I have Drake London. You ready for this? Mm-hmm. Do-do-do. Wide receiver seven. Do-do. Yeah? Yeah, that's fine. I love it. I love it. I've got him at ten.

Ninety-six for twelve fifty-six and eight. I got him at wide receiver twelve. Yeah, so he's's love. I love I've got him at 1096 for 1256 and 8 I got him at wide receiver 12 Yeah, so he's a wide receiver one. I but I like Michael Pinnix. I think he's gonna succeed there I do too. So I do think there's a little bit of risk. I mean the Drake London, Olavi You know coming out at the same time waiting for them to hit London finally hit Olavi were sitting here going You know heard a lot of in Garrett we're waiting yeah I broke out a lot of a has been great since he got on the field just stay on the field forever so sad gonna be coming this year man even when he would yeah I mean even when he was like on the field he's great he doesn't give you the he's not that great he's

great he's good well he doesn't score a the... He's not that great. He's great. He's good. He doesn't score a ton. He doesn't have the boom games where he scores 30 points. But like he's... He has his entire... He has 16 games. 16 games in 2023. Average 11.7 points. His entire career, he has a consistency rating of an A. Yeah, but that's like a... The vast majority of his games are good for you, helps you win fantasy leagues. He's the restaurant you're just like, okay, I ate a meal, but I don't leave telling people about it. He's the restaurant you go where you've never had something bad there.

Agreed. Yeah. But you never had something you told nobody about. You show me a restaurant and you never had something bad. I'm going there tonight. And you give food poisoning sometimes. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What? Food poisoning? Yes, that's the concussion. Oh, whoa, whoa, food poisoning? Yes, that's the concussion.

Oh, that's too far. You know what I mean? That was hurtful. Don't like that. That's not his fault. Did you get food poisoning this weekend? You tried, didn't you? Not from food.

Oh, my goodness. So for Michael Panix, you guys have confidence? I know, small sample, three games, but I mean, statistically, not good. You're saying because his completion percentage was under 60%, is that? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he had a little bit of the struggle bust his rookie season, but he also showed

enough to me in those three games where they were talented. The team was putting up points. You know, I don't have the game log in front of me. I do, and I can tell you what his... So his 17 game pace... I'm talking about the actual games games. Yeah in those three games Yeah, but did they win did they put up points as an offense? Oh, yeah, they put up 34 points on the Giants With zero with 200 yards and zero passing. I do have confidence in him. I really do Zach Robinson

I have confidence in him give Pinnix some time. They're moving on from Kirk Cousins. This is a player. Look, the Falcons have, I think their win total is like seven and a half. I think they can push for the playoffs. I think the NFL believes in them. I think they have a ton of prime time. I don't love completing. No. 55% of your passes against the Carolina Panthers. He put up 38 points. I mean, what... I think he's gonna be a successful quarterback.

Yeah, I do. And I'm not saying he won't. I'm saying that I have, but I have concerns. I'm not gonna push on my chips. You're more worried than we are, yeah. I'm not gonna push my chips in on that three game sample of completing 58% of passes. Like other quarterbacks at that percentage

would be absolutely dunked on by this show. It's just too small of a sample. Sure. Either direction. I'm not giving Drake London his super projection from that time either. Pinnix is 21 in my rankings. It's not like he's becoming a fantasy superstar.

I just think as a team when you've got Zach Robinson, Bijon, and Drake London and Mooney. Richardson completed 60% of his passes and four games played his rookie year. And we were on here like, that's not good enough. Well, that was more about college though, too. Yeah. That was more about what we saw in college from Anthony Richardson. Yeah. Because you have to bring that in And the fumbles and the mistakes. Just saying. Yeah, no, it's fine. I don't, criticize away.

I don't think we've seen enough Michael Pinnix to really make a deduction. I mean, he had, one of his games was 67%, one of his games was 54%, one of his games was 55. I mean it it's It's really hard when you're a rookie you haven't played You're you're acclimating. Are you good? Are you not good? I mean the team at least made the determination. This is the guy we're going with That's all we know. Yeah. Yeah, and it that's that'll be the question was that because they feel like

PENIX is that's that'll be the question was that because they feel like Pennex is the future they have to do that or do they look at Kirk Cousins went we have to do something else it doesn't matter what it is we gotta move away um let's take a break we'll answer some more questions I Was in the middle of pulling up the Michael Pinnix collegiate numbers he was a 63.3 percent passer in college Those last two years 65 percent passer It'll be interesting. I mean he's got a rocket. It's just can he execute the alpha? The problem is he spins the ball the wrong way and people can't catch it. Oh

Also, you hate I hated lefty quarterbacks. Wait, are you being serious? Yeah Can he execute the offense? The problem is he spins the ball the wrong way and people can't catch it. Ah. I hated lefty quarterbacks. Wait, are you being serious? Yeah, I'm actually being serious. And when did you hate them? When we played flag football. Oh. Remember we had one of our guys who

was kind of a backup quarterback when you weren't there and he threw a left. Your brain couldn't take it. My brain, my hands, the whole thing. And what hand are you right with? I'm left-handed. OK. Self-hatred.

It's true. It's true, Mike. This is a show today. I don't blame you. Left-handed people are just inferior. The worst. There is. But you shoot right-handed in basketball.

That's right. That's right. Yeah, because I was so ashamed. He was. He really was. Yeah. Watch me throw a football. That's a right-handed throw. You That's right. That's right. Yeah Watch we throw a football. That's a right-handed throw you ain't no minion. That's why it's so bad, right because I have Sacrificed you probably are awesome If I were to throw with my left hand maybe but I don't want to be the Prius of quarterbacks

The boomer a size son of the office I know we're gonna disagree on this one here Instagram question from Daniel It's very short. It says quote Bucky hype real question mark Bucky hype is very oh, yeah. Yeah, the hype is confirmed. The hype is out of control so when we say we're gonna disagree when Andy says that the reason he's saying that is because He is very bullish on Bucky. He is leading the hype, and I don't blame him. I remember last year watching the player and saying, I'm usually OUT on fourth round running back rookies

who have success because the next year is not going to happen. I said it over and over and over. It's like, this is different. Bucky is awesome. However, I think the hype is out of control. Right now, Bucky is the sixth running back off the board. He is being drafted as a super duper star in fantasy. And I have my words, because he's still in a timeshare. Sean Tucker is there, Rajad White is not going away, he is still undersized, and so I like him a lot. I've got him, I've definitely got him as a RB1, but I do worry that the hype is too high. You put a, when you draft a player at his peak,

it's a zero-sum game. You have to, he has to deliver at that value. And if you believe, we have risk ratings in the UDK, like you said, if you believe that there's a possibility that is it 25% chance that he's a big letdown, that's too much. I mean, when you're drafting a guy at top five at any position You're always drafting them at their ceiling like they can only you know hit or disappoint Yeah, they can meet your expectation or they can fail exactly and so I just want higher odds of them meeting the expectation You look at sake one you look a B's on you look at Jameer Gibbs I'm confident that those three got like I'm not going to be disappointed barring injury

But he's not in that group. That's my point. He's not in that group on my rain drafted right behind that group He's like the next man up after the stars You're having to choose Bucky or or McCaffrey, right? And I will take my cat. You're having to choose Bucky or Gentie Right, and I don't think he's there. I have Bucky at eight. So I guess I'm not I'm not I Haven't behind Christian McCaffrey. I'm ahead of a Chan Chase Brown And perfect example of like a Chan and Bucky that they're the same tier. They could both be awesome

They are both awesome players, but there's risk you you look at both of those guys and go, it is not a surefire thing that they're gonna be a top five running back. They both can be. From a talent perspective, I think Bucky is incredible. I think Bucky Irving is an incredible running back on an incredible offense with tons of weapons and opportunities to score. I have so much more confidence in them

than I do whatever the heck the Dolphins are trying to figure out to do on offense every week. So that's where I would weigh in. Like I think Bucky's very safe. Like I think he's ridiculously safe of a running back, but he could end up too expensive. I don't know where you weigh in Mike. Where did he end up in your rankings? So currently he is RB nine. So I mean, I'm in, but I'm not in compared to the ADP. I think HN is a, like nothing, you can never get a full apples to apples comparison because of all the variables.

But it's like, Devon HN's rookie year, the efficiency was absolutely wild. And it looked like, when this when he is the guy it's gonna be incredible and it was overall it was a great fantasy year you know he he had two over 200 carries he was at four and a half yards an attempt but it was the targets this the 87 targets that when when things aren't working on the ground you can rely on that. And you can PPR your way into a fantasy day where you're not ripping your hair out.

Where Rashad White is, he will still, Rashad White's probably still gonna see 50 plus targets in this offense. And that changes where if Bucky is not having a great day on the ground, like Rashad White's still there to steal targets. No one's stealing targets at the running back position for me, Chan. Bucke had 52 targets last year. Yeah.

And he caught a higher percentage of, remember we came into last year going, Rashad White caught such a high percentage of his, he caught higher, Bucke even caught a higher percentage of his passes than Rashad White did. And Rashad White had more targets than him last year. He did. Bucky only played 13 games.

That's the part that I think, like he was an 1100 yard runner on 200 touches. So that efficiency probably won't stay there if they go from the rock that much. But he is going to be very interesting. I just think what I saw in film from Bucky Irving was a it was a marked Multi-tier difference between him and anybody else on that roster and they love him and he goes to work And so I think he's their guy

I think how many how many carries did you project for him because I meant to 25. I'm at 240 We pull it up. I'd just be curious Oh, I got a I'm at 230. I lied you did I did lie You're a liar. I have him at two I'm more curious than you do and I think look like we said you we we do project health but Bucky is undersized and I know HM played the full year last year. But when you see your guy just getting, just limping off the field, getting banged up all the time, where he'll play

through it if he can. But I think that it's at least a concern, that if you're saying, we love this guy, we're going to bump him up to 250 carries, can a sub 200 pound guy like Bucky can well he like running backs miss games but it's just does that does that pendulum swing now from oh I miss two games he is I'm gonna miss he's a violent runner is more what it is to me than the size he's a Rawls Thomas Rawls Royce and smaller yeah this the size I mean it's a legitimate point that Mike Rawls, Royce. And smaller. Yeah, the size, I mean, it's a legitimate point that Mike is bringing up.

If you don't remember week 13 against Carolina, they gave him 28 opportunities, 25 carries on the ground. How did he do? He was awesome. 152 rushing yards, over six a carry, touchdown, another touchdown through the air, was the running back one on the week. Do you remember what happened after that game? Yeah, he looked like a mummy.

He was wrapped up, ice everywhere. He was a bruised and beaten little boy going to the locker room, and then the next week he comes out after being the running back one. And he was banged up that whole week, missed some practices, but he's active and everyone starts him because he had to be started. And in that game where he played the entire, he did not get injured in that game. He came in a little banged up and in that game he was given four carries, played 16% of the snaps and was basically, it was just, it was like, oh, he's beat up. Let's give Rashad White and Sean Tucker. So the risk is definitely there being an undersized back.

Instagram question from James Duronda. I'm pretty dead set on drafting Trey McBride or Brock Bowers in round two. Smart. Is that a smart move? Wide receiver position's too deep. I answered it. I'm out. I'm perfectly fine with that. One of those you can't one of those two guys you will not be sad. Yeah. I will not regret that decision. I don't think you'll be sad. The only thing you will be potentially sad about is the game of your draft where someone comes in in the second round

they get one of the real big breakout players that comes out of the second round and then two or three rounds later I don't know where George Kittle is going but that's that will be it. It's is how good is George Kittle compared to those guys and your opportunity cost of taking Bowers or McBride in the second. Kittle right now is a fifth round pick I don't think he'll stay that low if he is then I mean congratulations.ide in the second. Kittle right now is a fifth round pick. I don't think he'll stay that low. If he is, then I mean, congratulations to everyone. Even in the fourth, that makes it a hard decision. And you may not be slotted where I'm gonna be able

to take a player in the second and then guarantee I'll get George Kittle in the fourth. So that's what I mean by the, if you wanna enter into that contest of I'm gonna get Kittle. I'll be the one who gets them. I think you aim for McBride and Bowers. It's kind of not your choice always. You know, where you are in the second, whether they arrive on your doorstep or not. If you can't get them in the second, aim for Kittle in the fourth and you'll be just as happy. Do you know what we're doing on Thursday? A show.

Yeah, do you know what the show is gonna be about? I am unaware, but I feel like you're about to tell me. Mike, are you aware what the Thursday show is? I am aware. What is the show? Sounds pretty good. Mock draft. We're doing it! We're doing the first mock draft of the year!

Noisetime! Are you guys gonna- Mock-a-lock-a-ding-dong! Light up a pack of smokes like I've been doing? Oh yeah. For the draft? I'm in here with a cigar. So sultry is the, that's the word you were looking for?

No, raspy. Raspy, okay. Nothing positive. Let's see how Deucer's Alley's doing. Oh no! Still there! Still there! Goodbye everybody, thanks for there. Goodbye everybody.

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