Financial Feminist - 157. How to Set Financial Boundaries for Weddings, Family, Friends, and more

Episode Date: May 16, 2024

"When it comes to setting financial boundaries, you have to figure out what those boundaries are — and you also need to listen to them." Tori Dunlap Do you ever find yourself saying "yes" to dinners, trips, or events that you can't really afford? Do you feel pressured to invest in your friend's MLM or attend a destination wedding that will break the bank?  In this episode, we dive deep into the uncomfortable topic of money and relationships. We provide practical tips and scripts on how to navigate tricky situations, from declining extravagant invitations to breaking up with your financial advisor. We'll even tackle the controversial topic of weddings and the insane expectations they often come with. Tune in to learn how to confidently set financial boundaries, protect your friendships, and take control of your financial well-being. Read transcripts, learn more about our guests and sponsors, and get more resources at https://herfirst100k.com/financial-feminist-show-notes/157-how-to-set-financial-boundaries-for-weddings-family-friends-and-more/.  Not sure where to start on your financial journey? Take our FREE money personality quiz! https://herfirst100k.com/quiz Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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crushes on their exact birthdays and their favorite cereals and I'm like I don't need to know this but it stayed so that's what's going on with me and Corbin Bleu and we're wishing Taylor our partnerships manager all the best in her labor and delivery. Hopefully she is pushing it to the limit. Okay today on the show we are talking about financial boundaries. This is a question or a concept that we get asked about a lot, which is my friends ask me to do this thing, but I can't afford it,

but I don't want my friend to feel like I'm a bad friend, or I can't afford it, but I don't really wanna go. And how do I actually stick up for myself while not pissing people off and like ruining my friendships and ruining my relationships? So let's talk about a couple of the instances where we see these things come up a lot.

I'm gonna say weddings for later because weddings are the big one. We're gonna build up to weddings. The first is going out to dinner or going out to an activity, right? So we've all been there where your friend says, oh my God, I would love to see you. And you oh my God, I would love to see you. And you go, yes, I would love to see you too.

And she goes, let's go get dinner. And maybe that's just enough where you're like, I can't afford or don't wanna spend my money on going out to dinner. Or she does the, let's go out to this dinner that is way more expensive or way beyond the budget you had set. And now you're like, shit, what do I do?

I don't want her to feel like I'm a bad friend, but I also don't wanna be resentful. So what do you do? The answer to what do you do in all of these instances is gonna be pretty much the same. But if you have any sort of friendship that is worth keeping, your friend is not going to be mad at you for asserting your boundaries.

So if I have a friend who is asking me to either do something I don't want to do that costs money, right? Maybe that is go to a hockey game and we're not going to get cheap seats, we're going to get sweet seats. And I'm like, I don't want to spend my money on that. That doesn't feel worth it for me. Or it's that dinner and it's too expensive. What we're going to do with all of this is a lovely gratitude sandwich. The feedback sandwich is always my favorite thing. The pieces of bread are positive. The meat is the thing you're scared to say. So if Kristin is asking me to go to a really expensive thing that I don't want to do, I'm gonna be like, thank you so much for

inviting me, I would love to see you. That is not in my budget right now. And then offer an alternative thing. But we could go get drinks or I could have you over for dinner or I would love to go that hockey game with you, but I don't want to spend my money on those seats. Can we find something cheaper? Or if you really just don't like hockey, you can be like, I don't want to spend my money there. I don't really like hockey, but I love you. So can we do something else? That's always what this comes down to is like giving an alternate, you know, example or an alternate suggestion and reminding the

person that it's not about them. It's not about you know, I don't want to see you, I don't love you, right? And this is where my abandonment issues come in immediately. But like, it's not about that. It's about like, hey, I either can't afford that, it's not in my budget right now. And by the way, that's a full sentence. It's not in my budget right now, period. Now, if your friends, hopefully, right, you've been transparent about money, they know you have a little bit of money, you might not be able to say it's not in my budget right now.

You might just wanna say, that's not a priority for where I wanna spend my money right now. Or just be like, I don't wanna spend my money there. Can we do something else? Like that seems a lot of money, a lot of money, that's more money than I wanna spend. Can we do something else, right? seems a lot of money, a lot of money, that's more money than I want to spend. Can we do something else? Right?

So this is the perfect response to, okay, you've asked to go out to dinner, maybe the dinner is too fancy, too expensive, or you've been asked to do an activity that's too expensive or that you just don't want to do. So that's the first thing. Let's talk about, well, I just saw Kristen's MLM. We'll get there. She just, but she's like, okay, can we talk about when your friend wants you to join an MLM? Yeah, we'll talk about that in a second. Okay. Trips with friends. This is like the elevated version, which is like,

okay, we're not just going to go out to dinner. We're going to go to a Cabo for a week. First of all, try to be involved in as much of the trip planning from jump as you can. Because I think that this is where things get really sticky. It's like friends getting inserted when the location and the hotel and the vibes have already been set. And then you realize like, oh shit, Cabo sounded great, but it doesn't sound great for my bank account. So try to be in there as soon as you can and starting to, you know, insert your opinion, make some plans. One, that's going to help out a lot. That's just the nice thing to do, I think. And then two, you're not stressed later

where the vibe's already been set and you're like, actually, I don't like the vibe. So get in early. Second thing, very similar to, I can't afford this dinner. I can't afford, I don't know why I'm picking on hockey. I just don't, I don't want to go to a hockey game, guys. I'm good. Like, I don't want to go to this hockey game.

I don't want to go to this dinner. It's too expensive. It's just like, hey, again, I would love to go to Cabo with you or that sounds great, but I can't sit in first class. I don't have the go to this dinner, it's too expensive. It's just like, hey, again, I would love to go to Cabo with you or that sounds great, but I can't sit in first class. I don't have the budget to do that. Or I love this hotel and man, I would love to stay there someday,

but I can't afford it right now. Can we find something else? Or, hey, are you willing to split the cost of this thing? Right? Hotel rooms, the nice thing about staying with friends is typically you're splitting the cost of this thing, right? Hotel rooms, the nice thing about staying with friends is typically you're splitting the cost, but please be transparent and actually ask. Because my third thing is what gets people in trouble

is you're like already on the trip and none of you have talked about how you're actually gonna split the cost of things. If somebody's like, hey, we can go on this day cruise and everybody's like, yes, some people assume, oh, the person who brought it up is the person who's gonna pay for it. That might not be the case.

So this is where financial transparency is really important and it can be scary, but just ask really quick, hey, how do you want us to split this? Or what are your expectations for the cost of this thing? And again, any friend who was worth having is going to sit down and have an actual conversation with you about it. This is what Christina and I do every time we're going on friend moon, because we're now in two different tax brackets.

I make more money than she does. Sometimes I am the person who is the, Hey, can we stay in this nicer hotel? And she sets a boundary or she says, I would love to stay with you in that hotel, but I can't split those costs 50 50. So if this is something that's really important to you, would you mind covering a bigger percentage? And usually I'm just the person who's saying that now, because I know her well enough. I can see it in her eyes where I'm like, Hey, let's go stay here. And she has this like look of panic. And I go, I can cover 60 or 70% of I'm like, hey, let's go stay here. And she has this like look of panic and I go, I can cover 60 or 70% of it,

or I'll pay for two nights if you're okay paying for one. So have a conversation, set expectations and larger conversation about just budgeting in general. I think our friends are well-intentioned, we wanna spend time with them, we wanna have great experiences. I think especially around like travel and food and like entertainment, we wanna go see every concert.

We wanna go to every football game. We wanna go to every place that somebody is inviting us to. And sometimes you gotta pick and choose. Sometimes it might mean, okay, I'm just gonna go on one trip a year that's nicer or okay, I'll go to three trips, but it's slightly less nice. I'm staying in slightly less nice hotels or, you know, I'm in the middle seat in economy

as opposed to premium economy. So you just kind of have to know your budget too. And this is why, you know, listen to the rest of the episodes of this podcast, but why like knowing your numbers is really important if you're're gonna start setting these boundaries. Uv rays don't skip a day. Neither should your SPF. Introducing daily UV moisturizer from Umbrella, broad spectrum protection and all day hydration in one lightweight formula, from the number one recommended brand

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And if she's talking about it, you know it's a problem. Like weddings are so goddamn expensive. And the expectation a lot of brides have for people is bonkers insane. It's no longer just a wedding, but it's also a bachelorette party. Not just like one day or not just local. It's like we're going for an entire weekend or an entire week to some

international destination. And there's also the bridal shower and there's gifts and, oh, maybe there's a weekend or a couple of days before the wedding too. And like, if you're in the wedding party, it's so fucking expensive. But even if you're just attending a wedding, things are just really, really, really pricey. This might be a controversial opinion. If you have a destination wedding,

like if your wedding is in Hawaii or Mexico or Italy, if I'm getting married, I do not expect a gift from you. You paying your flight and your hotel is the gift. Your presence is the, your presence is a present. I don't need another gift from you. I think that's, again, I know that I can see the comments already, but I think it's insane to also expect as someone who's getting married that, okay, I'm going to make this destination wedding, which is in your right, but then to go, oh, I also expect a gift from you. The gift is the cost of all of the travel and all of the planning and all of the shenanigans

and the hotel and everything else. So no, let's just talk about wedding party for a second. The cost of being a bridesmaid, absolutely crazy, especially for some weddings. If you have been asked to be a bridesmaid and you know, just right off the top that you cannot afford it, you are allowed to say no. And it's not a bad thing. Like I just, I feel like people don't know, women don't know that they are allowed to say, I love you and I can't do this,

especially for being a bridesmaid because it feels, you know, it's the biggest day of your friend's life and it's so exciting and like, do you have been bequeathed to this honor of being in the bridal, like you're allowed to say no. You're allowed to say no. So what does that look like? If you just fully know that either you don't have the time

to dedicate to being a bridesmaid or you don't have the money or both, you can literally just say, again, we're going to sandwich it. Oh my God, I'm so honored that you asked me. Your friendship means so much to me. I'm so excited for you to get married. This is such a big day. I just can't, I don't have the bandwidth right now to be able to support this and to be able to show up for you in the best way possible. And I don't have the budget to be in a wedding party right now, but anything I can do to help, I would love to take you out to celebrate.

And I will be there with bells on supporting you. And I would love to attend your wedding. There we go. There's your response. Now, if you want to be a bridesmaid, but you can't do all of it, you do a version of this, which is like, Oh, so honored, so thankful. Love you. Love this. I am happy to come to the bachelorette party or the bachelor at weekends or the bachelor at month long extravaganza. But if I do that,

I'm not going to be able to afford to like get you a separate gift or to, you know, come to your bridal shower. Again, you have to figure out what this looks like. What can you afford versus what can't you afford? Or you can say, if it is a weekend away at a cabin within a two hour distance of where we're at, I'm so down to do that. But if it's an international trip for your bachelorette party, I would be happy to be in the wedding party, but I just, I can't afford that. I can't be there for that. I'm not going to be able to afford to get get you a separate gift or to, you know, come to your bridal shower. Again, you have to figure out what this looks like. What

can you afford versus what you can't you afford? Or you can say, you know, if it is a, you know, weekend away at a cabin within a two hour distance of where we're at, I'm so down to do that. But if it's an international trip for your bachelor party, I would be happy to be in the wedding party, but I just, I can't afford that. I can't be there for that. I can't afford a trip to Mexico. I can't afford a trip to California right now. So unfortunately I'm going to have to politely decline, but I am so thrilled for you. And if there's anything I can do to help you, let me know. Let's talk about multi-level marketing companies or when your friend asks you, this is the cue the office of like at the dinner party where Michael asks Andy and Jim to invest in Jan's candle company.

And just for $10,000, you can be part owner in Serenity by Jan. Yeah, somebody asks you to join an MLM. Somebody asks you to invest in their company. You're always, at least for MLMs, you are saying no. You're saying no 100% of the time. We have done MLMs two, three episodes on this show about how predatory and toxic and bad MLMs are. 99% of people who join MLMs lose money. You are not not supporting your friend and entrepreneurship because that's always what

happens as we get comments being like, I thought you supported women. And I'm like, I do support women. I don't support predatory structures. I don't support things that actually like literally prey on women and take women's money for no actual results. So you're always going to say no to MLMs always, always. When you get the, hey boss babe

from the person you barely remember going to high school with, you're going to say no. In terms of investing in a company, I leave that up to you. I don't know. Do you have the money? Do you have the bandwidth? Is it a smart investment? Maybe? It's probably not. Adjacent to this, when somebody asks you for money, we've talked about this on the show before. If somebody asks you for money, asks you to borrow money, asks you to loan them money, if you choose to loan them money, you're giving them a gift. Do not expect to get that money back. So if you are comfortable loaning somebody money

and by loaning, I mean giving somebody money with the expectation that you will never give it back no matter how much they promise you that they will. Okay, I would just say as a blanket rule, try not to loan people money. It just gets really weird. It gets really awkward. Every time somebody spends money on something that isn't paying you back, you then get resentful and you're like, they owe me money though. And it just is like, it's just, I would just blanket statement, try not to. It's just weird. And

if you are going to do it, try to put a contract in place. That's the first thing. We've all seen Judge Judy. We've all seen how that goes. You need to have it signed. Otherwise it is a gift. If you're loaning somebody money, it's with the expectation you will not see it again. So do with that what you will.

Last financial boundary that we get a lot, which is like, how do I break up with my financial advisor? We had a Q&A call in about this, so I'm gonna keep it brief. They are providing you a service. You are paying for said service. If you realize that you do not like the service anymore, do not want the service anymore,

no matter who this person is, you're allowed to say, I don't want the service anymore. If you don't like how they did your nails last time, you can stop going to that nail salon. If you did not like, I'm trying to think of, you get it. I don't need more examples of this. Same thing with financial advisor. Like you're allowed to say no. So I think what I said last time and what I'll say this time, again, sandwich, thank you so much for all of your hard work for me and for hopefully teaching me more about money and just being a great resource for me. I am choosing to move my money elsewhere and I will be ending our contract of services, effective whatever

dates that's maybe even too formal. You can just say, I am choosing to work with somebody differently or I'm going to manage my own investments and I really appreciate your help. If there's anything I need to do in terms of like transferring accounts, you know, making sure that my money's all in one place, let me know. Thank you again. Sincerely, your name. Doesn't have to be more complicated than that. With all of these couple quick things, no is a complete sentence. You can also say things without ruining friendships or without ruining relationships. You setting boundaries is actually really, really healthy for a relationship and healthy for you and healthy for like living your authentic truth. And it doesn't mean that you're a bad friend.

It doesn't mean that you're a bad partner. It doesn't mean that you're a bad partner. It doesn't mean that you're a bad client. It means that you're advocating for yourself and what you need. And anybody who is upset at that is not a good friend. Now, if you're the person who's out here just like, fuck you, like, no, I don't, I can't afford that. I don't want to attend your wedding. And I don't like the person you're marrying, which is sometimes what I want to say. You're not going to do that. Right. But if you're the person you're marrying, which is sometimes what I want to say, you're not going to do that, right? But if you're the person who's just like, you know what, I can't afford it, anybody

will respect that. And the last thing I would want if I was getting married or if I was asking somebody out to dinner or to go to a concert with me is to have them go into credit card debt to afford the thing or to go into significant or even minor financial hardship just to prove that they love me. I don't want that for you. That's not healthy. And that's not me talking as a financial expert.

That's like literally me talking as a friend. I don't want my friends to feel like they have to spend money in order to show that they love me. And if they are overextending themselves, that's the exact opposite of what I want. So when it comes to setting financial boundaries, you have to figure out what those boundaries are, and you also need to listen to them. Because too many people go, I can't afford it, I can't fucking afford this, but I'm just gonna do it anyway because life's too short and it's fine.

You think that's just going to be it though, until you're paying that credit card debt off and until you become a little resentful and bitter after and until you realize that maybe this has affected your friendship or has affected your relationship. So set your boundaries, be kind and setting those boundaries, kind but firm, and also don't look back. Don't feel guilty about it. This is something that's really important for your friendship but also for your financial health, and it's something that you have to get comfortable doing because you'll do it for the rest of your life.

So let us know if there's any other instances where you've had to set a financial boundary. If any of this was helpful, feel free to share it with us. I was just going to say like, subtweet your friend who's getting married and it costs $100,000. Send this episode to them. No, but have a conversation. Have conversations with your friends.

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