Fladseth - #199 - Gunnar Tjomlid

Episode Date: May 31, 2024

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We just start, we are good friends. Hi. There you were again. I sat very close, I feel like. For me it's not close enough. I hate podcasts where you sit too far away from each other. When I play a dialogue today, I sit there, diagonally across the table, and as far as possible between each other.

You two moose that are shooting podcasts together. And it's very fun dynamic between you. You play a... You have a lot of things to do. You are a foodie in the band. That's fun. It's always fun. Every year when I'm known for my blog, it's a shock. Everyone I talk to thinks I live off the blog. But Jesus, you have noticed that I'm not advertising the blog. How am I supposed I live off? You took on a social assignment, while you were doing your usual IT day job, and you wrote a blog. Was that just a case study? Yes.

Then you read something really up and down, and balanced, well-developed opinions, or analysis analyzing statistics and such, about phenomena that you shared your opinion on, a lot of crazy science and a lot of bullshit on, right? I like that. My blog is a combination of three things. It still exists, but I'm not that active anymore, but a blog post came in. But it's either things I see in the media that produce me, because I think that this can't be true, so I check facts and see what research shows. Like for example? It can be vaccines, it can be alternative treatment, clear vision, all kinds of things like that. There are also debunkers that say that this doesn't fit because of this and that. With a lot of money, who want to check the numbers.

And then there are the personal blog posts. I write a lot of personal and even uncomfortable private things. Are you allowed to ask something about that? What is that? I think one of the last blog posts I wrote earlier this year was and it's about sex and compassion. And I have to be honest, I haven't crossed the line. I'm a loser in my younger days, I'm ashamed of myself. And I try to dig into that, and I have made mistakes many times. But what I have learned in this life, I have reached 50 in a moment. It was uncomfortable to write, because it's not fun to expose yourself.

But it's incredibly honest and brave to do that? And important and just like that? I tried to write about things where I am both moralizing, but almost always the point of the subject is that I am very busy showing that I am not better than I have done this myself. And I have been thinking about this and this is what I have come to. That I have to come from something, not that I am perfect and you do things wrong. And the third thing is that I was always concerned with controversial things. Things that...

I am not an autism diagnosis, but I am... Not far from it. I am not autistic, I have enough perspective, but I haven't got a formal diagnosis. How do you feel about it? How do you feel about it? There are many things. It explains a lot about the blog. Why do you hurt my brain when people say things that are wrong? Why can I use it? Does it have that hyperfocus that I can dive into a complex, difficult, unknown topic

and get so much information that I can write a blog on it that even doctors say that they learned something new, that I used it in my treatment. But even to the emotional, I discovered very late that I struggle with having contact with my feelings. I can't identify my feelings. I just know that I know something, but I don't know if I'm angry, irritated, what's going on. And then it can take two months before I finally talk to someone. Then it takes weeks, months, and some cases can take 20, and then suddenly I think, shit, it's that one. It wasn't really okay what happened 20 years ago, but I never managed to get over it before now.

But that's what you've talked a lot about, that autism or ADHD is often a kind of superpower as well. So here you have... It is. You have a kind of superpower where you have the ability, the ability that I absolutely don't have, to really dive down and find truths, to find the core of a thing. But then, like Superman, you have your sacrifices, your problems. Superman who has to hear all the stories,

you have that feeling thing. Is it like eating something and saying something? Yes, but it's social and everything. When you just grow up and no one helps you to understand this. If I had been born 30 years later, I'm pretty sure that when the teacher would have said that it's something strange with you, maybe he would have been saved. But it's like like I went out with the best characters in the future when I was... I hate to say it, because it's so damn potent. But it's relevant to this context, but I'm a member of the MENSA. So it's not the skills that it's about.

But I've never managed to take a higher education. Which was actually in the shortlist for me. A guy who noticed that I was good at character, and all sorts of things, like nerd, and like natural science, and math, and things, close to and like natural science and math and all that, why haven't I taken a higher education? I tried. You don't talk to each other? No, I started several times, and then I just realized that I don't understand anything about the social.

I get so much discomfort in terms of relating to such a system. Where I feel everyone else becomes friends with me once, out drinking parties and heco-lock-fie groups, and I don't know where they're going, I don't know what's going on, I don't know who to talk friends with me once, out drinking, partying and hanging out in groups, and I don't know where they are going, I don't know what is going on, I don't know who to talk to, I don't know anything, so it's just about the ditches. There are many people throughout history who have felt the same way, who have managed to go through a... and they have probably struggled a bit, but it came out the other way around.

But at the same time, I understand that it's stress, but you still managed to find your way. I went to my doctor, and I was a bit curious if I could have been eliminated from autism. He sent me to two psychologists, who I had a kind of map-making team with me. And one of them had heard me tell about all the things. Because it's so funny with autistic people, that an autistic person doesn't arrive unprepared at a time like this. I am of course written down in long lists with all the things. So I can just go through, because I have to have a system, I have to write it down, I have to have a list of things. And that was quite obvious after that conversation, that I should probably be on the lookout, so they sent me into the system. But then I got a call, because I am too well functioning.

What would be the reason for you to be able to deny it? I think it means a lot to me to get that confirmation, because there is a lot in my whole upbringing, where I felt alone and different, and didn't understand how to convince others to do things, but I don't get it, very basic things. It was like 40 years before I managed to buy a coffee at a cafe, because I thought it was so much thought activity behind it, and so much unreliable things, that it was like, I managed to do it, but it created extreme discomfort. It's like just the few decades of the last years that I can go into a cafe and buy a coffee, and not go around in fear of what a terrible experience it is. So it's clear, just like

why, I'm not a stupid guy, why can't I do the ordinary things? Why can't the others go to the city, to parties and all that? I don't know how to do that. When you call it autism, it is heard, and you start associating with it. Once I mentioned Ellinges, I started thinking, and I have had autism in my family, so I know that, and I know how far it can go. And then you have what is perhaps one of those family, so I know that. I know how far it can go. And then you have what is perhaps the case of mild autism. But it is something... You can put a lot of social anxiety and things like that that drives this, more than...

Yes, but all the other things are like I have no face, I have a monotone voice, which I've always been told about. When you start to go into all these things, I can get a very obvious autistic meltdown, where I suddenly can't talk for two days. Because something happens that, at the end of the day, I just boil my brain, I can't, I want to talk, I want to formulate what I mean, but I just get completely silent. And it can be for several days. I'm like everyone in the drawing, I go far beyond just being normal socially, but it's like that with all diagnoses, that everyone will almost be able to recognize themselves in some aspects of it. But it's like the sum of it, and it's about whether it it and whether your quality of life has improved significantly. That's what I was just saying, but when they say I'm too well-functioning, I get a little provoked,

because it's a little bit of a slap in the face. Yes, I have managed well, but it's because instead of studying and choosing to start my own company, where I could sit alone and work, I've created a world that suits me. And that's why I say to the Southlanders, I'm well alone and work. I have created a world that suits me. And thus I see the Southland as well functioning. But if I had tried to go the normal way, I could have been less pressured today. Because I have had some jobs, but afterwards... The last job I had was for the People's Enlightenment, or TEDI TV. With the People's Enlightenment at NRK, which was 3-4 years ago.

You did research and wrote it? Yes, scientific research for season 6, I think it was. The day today, I still don't meet the people, because I'm completely convinced that everyone hates me, that everyone thinks that what I did was a shit job. Do you understand that it is irrational? I understand that it is irrational, but I find it is uncomfortable to feel that all the others there function together. I don't know if they saw me, but I always felt that I was outside of that bubble.

I can't connect in any way. The social thing doesn't work. Yes, but you want to see it. When you say this with mime and monotone voice and those things, I agree that you have that. But you want to see those things and think, ok, that's him. He has a lot of resources. And then he is a bit tired with the mic and stuff, and you just screw it. You learn to feel it pretty fast. And then I want to say, and now I don't want to try to debunk this dream of getting an artisim diagnosis here, but you have done, since I met you the first times, you have done a big step towards socializing. It's much more chill to talk to you, you are much more safe in such situations now, for example. I can fight a struggle against autism.

Yes, but it's not really that. It's about masking, as they call it. And that's what's often the paradox of autists who are not diagnosed because they are well-grown. That people say, no, but you seem so normal. I don't think so. You can't be an autist. But it's because they have spent their whole lives trying to learn how to behave. Because if I... Now I can look you in the eye, and talk to you, but if I could do what I wanted, I would close my eyes. Or just sit in the wall. Because I think it's so uncomfortable to look at people. But that's just something I've been trained to do.

To know that this is how people do it. I have to do it. And even smiling is something I have to think about actively. I remember smiling inside me, but I don't move my face. So I often remind myself that I have to use the muscles in my chin. You have to give a visible signal to the other person that you actually... So nothing of that comes naturally, but I have masked so much in my life. The problem is that you come to a point where it's like,

but who am I really? You lost yourself in the process. And I have started a little on it, but like, fuck, why am I always adapting to everyone else? I don't want to be myself anymore, but it's like finding that limit where you don't just become a fucking dick a lot. I want to be more honest and say that I have never responded to things genuinely, because I am always afraid to make mistakes. I wouldn't have said those things if I didn't know, but I feel that it is very interesting to hear you analyze these things yourself. Fortunately you are able to do it. I understand that you struggle to work on this smile, and it sounds a bit mechanical, of course. But you are a good actor, and you have learned some good techniques. I think it's the best thing I have done. Good progression, very good.

I grew up in Tonsdag in Sirdal, in the former Vestag, which is a tiny place with a few hundred inhabitants. The problem is, when you grow up, I started when I was 35, you don't get very big challenges. You have a family, you have friends, and you see that it has grown up. When I talk to you, and that's pretty classic for a Hjortist, when you talk to someone you know well, they say, no, no, you're not a Hjortist. Because you've known that all your life, you're just who you are. But it was the first time I moved to Oslo and started meeting new people, there were quite a few who pointed out that I'm sure you're not a poet. Because they saw the things that... It took many years before I started thinking like, huh?

Do they have a point? Then I started thinking more about myself. But the best thing I did was to move to Oslo and get you social challenges. Because that has helped me a lot to actually be able to function properly. The best thing I did was to move to Oslo and get those social challenges. Because that has helped me a lot to actually be able to function properly. But when I moved to Oslo for the first time, I was maybe... I just sat and hid on the toilet. I slept during the day and then I went out at night and sat in the terminal room at the University of Oslo at the time, tried to study a bit there. Then I stood in the first class at home again at 6 in the morning,

and then I slept during the day. I didn't dare to cook in the kitchen, because I was afraid to meet others at the student house. But everything was about young people, I didn't dare anything, I was just pretty conical. That's uncomfortable. Can I throw it out? First of all, how do you think a small Killepitch snapshielper against autism?

I think it's possible, since we started with medicine. I asked if you had something to drink, I'm going to buy some beer. And the last episode of the podcast Dialogisk, which you were with us today, is called Killepitch. And you got it here at the house, here on Modern Media, last time as well? I've never heard of it before. What the hell is that? It's a liqueur, Krauter liqueur, by a man called Peter Busch, who has made it, it seems.

Fantastic beer. Yes, and it's quiet when I got one in German. I had to storm out of the classroom and throw up in the upper room. I think I screamed some German words. I had only learned scheiß and German words for whores, maybe, to that old shit teacher. And then stormed out and had to take it up as a privateer. I remember the last time I saw a box of metal like that, I don't care. Like a bottle of wine. These are the curviers, the raw material. I don't understand berries.

The fine herbs, the aroma, I would say is the same as the one in your drink. I think so, but the reason I like this one is that it's much, much better. It's got a lot of herbs. There are many who use it. It's less medicinal. Cheers! Cheers! It has an egg-like consistency. Or an Eger consistency. He remembers about Jegermest, but he has a bit of a southern... something about him is better.

He's not so unpleasent. He's not so whimsical. You don't get those violent things. You haven't been so much to fill up through, you know, like me, but... Maybe not like you, but I have had a miniature filled up in my younger days. But you weren't allowed to sleep on the after-ski with a guilty conscience and a damn password. And you didn't have your own master. Tell me about that. Or? I'm tired of the plane, with my face in my own dust, and people are worried about me pumping,

and I had my own experience. So that's it. Well, there was a round with the autism thing. It was very interesting to hear. I would say that in some way I feel that we are against… I am in one way a little opposed to you, because I am very experienced in having zero problems with the things you have had some problems, and I went out of the theater, did some reviews, and worked with Micke and the like. But I struggled with more concentration and to go deeper into things, and maybe I was very experienced in knowledge and understanding things, because I have been used to everything when I was younger.

So I have understood in a way logically that I have to adapt to some knowledge. So I started quite late with that, and that is the limit of what I have managed to get. But one thing I have at least understood over the years is the need to seek balance, nuances in the way that the truth is often in the middle of somewhere. And there you are very good. I haven't had the concentration to read all those fucking blogs in your life, I have to say, but I have gotten some of what you have written and said, and I think it's really good. You and Dag have a lot of… you are against a so called Rogan gang. Those who have become very famous through Rogan, such as Hubermann, Lex Friedman, Jordan Peterson. Those who came...

They were a bit of uproar against established politicians and Shohei, but then they have maybe... As I understand it, through their analysis, they have become what they did and opposed, that they have to expose some facts and such, because they have to keep a lot of sound. And I have heard a lot about Dag, I have heard a lot about him on podcast and stand-up with Dag, and I know that he's really into everything from Elon Musk to Rogan, to all those guys. And I can't really beat him with that. But what would you say... I agree with you, and I think it's good that someone takes that fight, because most people don't have time to read and make an opinion themselves. You listen to someone, get fooled by what they say, and then it becomes like that. It was a long speech from me, but you understand what I mean.

I think I will touch on the autism thing again. Autism is a cliché that they don't understand people. And that is in one way wrong, because I have been told many times that I am going out because I don't understand people's intentions. God knows how many times someone has tried to flirt with me. I don't know what they are doing with me. Many years later I don't know if she was interested in me. I didn't understand. Was it black and white? Yes. Was it black and white?

Yes, it was. But it's a bit wrong, because I think, and I know that from others, I know that I am a diagnosed autistic. Because almost everyone I hang out with either has ADHD or is autistic. It's clear that they people can communicate well with me, because we are all very busy, and be straight forward, and busy with information and facts, not so busy with either small talk or social things and such. But it's a kind of pattern recognition,

that I'm not so good at reading people based on what they say, because I don't understand the intentions, and I'm not good at reading in the mic and all that. But there is a kind of super power in that, that a very good pattern recognises. That it collects information, that it often understands people well, because I registered where they are from, and I have a kind of knowledge of that. Does it check boxes? Like a machine that is... It's unconscious in a way, but I... And I've been critical of that group of people in Joe Rogan before it became mainstream and critical. And I'm not sure about the coffee, but quite early I quickly pick up what to do with Peterson and the hube man and that group.

Then there's a little LACM-test for you, Simon Welle. What do you think? I engage myself so much in Norwegian relations. I am so allergic to Norwegian news, I don't know if it's something everyone engages themselves in, I don't know. He looks a lot like Mimir Kristiansson, just FRP, a bit of the same type. I'm not so concerned with saying the right things. I'm concerned with saying the right things, rather than the lever type, but very likeable, free-spoken. I like Mimir a lot if you know how he acts in the audience. And he's a bit of a plump, but also good at taking responsibility for that and saying sorry. This happens and goes out with a lot of racism and being taken by some drug addicts.

And then I say, and it's a meme as well, I'm absolutely not interested in power. Absolutely not interested in power. And then it starts to shine for me. I can't say that it would have been over, but I don't know if it fits at all. Absolutely not. There it starts to get me to get a bit of a kick in the butt. I understand that people who are not interested in power, I can engage myself a lot and burn too much, but I could never be a politician. I think my sister is a bit autistic, but that's the thing with being genuine. If I write something moralizing, I'm concerned about delivering myself and saying that I'm a shitbag in that way. If I get a feeling that something is wrong, I get an allergy in a way.

And I think that's why I could never get into a role where I should represent someone. And that was my... That was so lucky that I ran my own company. If I had been employed somewhere, I would have seen a lot of it. If I didn't blog, it would be difficult to blog, because, I would probably not have been able to blog about it. It would have been difficult to blog about it, because you feel you have a responsibility to a employer. I have never had anyone to answer to, so I just do what I want. But as a politician, when you get a position, you have to suddenly take on a role and say things that are correct in relation to the party.

I understand that no one wants that show their legs. That's what's a bit refreshing about those two, for example. That they can go a bit outside of the party's collective opinions, party programs and such. And how calculated they are, I'm not sure. But it should be, but you see, it's the parties that lost a lot of trust in the people now, and actually only the Labour Party, but you also have others, but especially the Labour Party, which you feel is only the whole program duty, all the time. It's impossible to go outside the big brother mantra, and the podcast they were doing at the time, there were some AP politicians, Aya had been doing it very hard since the podcast of Tor and Harald.

They were so angry with the Labour Party and so violent. I understand that I am not very political, but I could never vote for the Labour Party. Even if technically I am not so far from where I stand, I am on the left side, but it is something that is so damn boring with the Labour Party. Then you have no opinion if you just vote for the Labour Party, then you have just capitulated. It is a bit higher than the Labour Party, you two parties two safe parties, but you have no radical standpoint about anything. No, but I have voted for the working party. I have never voted for the right, but I have voted a bit around that. But I think that's what you get dragged a bit between. That you have radical opinions and you have some kind of pull into it, but do you want to have a ruling party in Verrore anyway?

Do you want to have a captain? Do you want Jack Sparrow? Or do you want to have… do you understand? Yes. That's a bit of what it's all about. But it's a bit tactical, thinking that some of the other parties will never be in a majority position. So they have to have with them, not just on the left side, AP no matter what. But you need someone who pulls and pulls a bit to get you out a bit more on the outside. And you know that. There is a lot of tactical atmosphere as well. I have voted for SV because...

To achieve something in a coalition or something like that. You become very... It becomes mechanical and all that. And then it's a bit like... Now I don't fucking know anymore. Now I think it's fucked up. Now it feels a bit like either the Republicans or the Democrats. A bit in Norway as well. And then there is a bit of that seen. You vote on the left side when you are young, and then you go slowly but surely to the right side. And there are things happening in me that are against you. But that's because the politicians on the left side are so angry. What's happening there? My father was a right-wing politician before, he was a right-wing man. When I grew up, when I was little. And he has gone all the way to the left.

So he is a good example of how he becomes more radical, or more left-wing, in any case, when he is older. I feel like I am doing that, I get closer and closer, and I'm like, fuck, no one is radical enough, I want to vote for the red, I want to vote for the red, actually. At the same time I can has a voice of red. I would rather have a voice of red, actually. Sometimes I can't have a voice of red. A lot of people have a voice of red too, and I will fucking promise you. A lot of people have a voice of red. There are a lot of things I agree with. I think that abolishing capitalism and communism is a lot of stupid things. But party programs are not that important,, but I can't do that.

I am a inner communist, I can't blame myself. I am against... I think the world is so... This is something I would like to know more about, to be able to say something. I just have a lot of feelings about it, but I am a bit sure... Welcome to the club, guys. I haven't done anything but sit here in the party. I could never go into a debate without a pealing, but I am like, should I really have the right to own something? Private property rights, I mean, we fuck society, I have money, I can invest in a flat in Oslo, and rent it out and so on. If you have money, you can do everything to become a real estate agent. If you don't have money, you'll never get into that market. I've heard that people become millionaires selling empty huts, with 800 households and more than 5000 huts. And then it's just a fortune. You were so lucky that you were in a certain area,

which you could later sell empty huts and sell, and then you become a millionaire. Why should you have the right to become a millionaire just because you happen to own a country? You were so lucky. It's so gross, unfair and idiotic that I don't want anyone to own anything. No one should earn more than a million. I've never done anything else. There is so much to be put into when it comes to politics. I'm not particularly... I follow a bit of Norwegian politics and I I think American politics is a bit exciting. I have been on this entertainment machine. It's interesting. There are so many big consequences.

There is so much at stake now. It's so incredibly crazy, all the Trump stuff, with Biden and he is old, but he is... and should he really be quiet here or not? And now it feels like a election of the day of judgment here. So it is clear that Norwegian politics is a bit of a mess and such, but what the hell should I say here now? You really want to follow those... when I was young and such When I was young, I followed the things that I really felt, my primitive instincts. It shouldn't be... You should... Capitalism, money, it's evil, it's the root of all evil. I thought all these thoughts and then you understand over the years that you can think about your inner self, but it's not something you can throw away, it's not something you can vote for, you have to seek more balance, and then you can rather ask the question and try to find solutions that give you strength in view. But I think... What should I say? On the one hand, for me, the problem of the eternal growth is one of the most important.

And if you vote on the right side, if you just want to push it, push it, push it, very like this, when it says, abolish capitalism, isn't that completely insanely naive? You have Belona for example, and you have Fredrik Hauge, who you can probably say a part of, you have probably written a blog on him as well, but he has at least said that he has gone from being stuck in the massesasts and doing marketing stuff, to working with capitalism, working with the money-power and developing environmental stuff where people make money. That is the solution, the most solution-oriented way to do it. That's where I am now.

This was so much. Do you understand? Why should I say something like that? I think I should write something negative about Frederik Haugge. Frederik Haugge and Bélogne are some of the most international on the environmental side. Up through time. But it's a bit like with me, it's a bit like that democracy is a terrible control force,

but all alternatives are worse. It's a bit like with capitalism, that capitalism is in one way, yes, the root hurts, but it's not a good alternative. It's hard to get away from it. You have an alternative, which is on the way, and that is the alternative, crypto and so on. Oh my god, so bad. You know a little about IT and such. The 50 000 I have put in Bitcoin, which I have put on a crypto memory stick, what is it called? Crypto key and put on, I have actually checked in the pod how it is, but now I have put it back in a new place. What do you think will happen with them?

I bought it for a value of about 50 000, through a two year period, a year ago, how much do you think it would have been possible in 50 years, if everything went really well for the Bitcoin fans? That's a really good question, I'm very pleased with that. First of all, my inner communist came out that I was always allergic to making money by not doing work. Guilty as charged. People have asked me why I don't invest in crypto. If I could have done it and suddenly made 10 million, I wouldn't have done it. For me it's just something wrong with it.

I can't think about what people should people should just get money because they have speculated something. It goes straight into the mind that those who are able to invest are those who get rich. But it's capitalism, it's a net scale, it's a problem with capitalism. But when you, as a man in the street, lose more and more purchasing power every year, and the only way you can make a little bit of growth personally is by investing. Whether it's in crypto or in the common sense, in the form of fund, that's up to you, I think. But investing is a bit like Robin Hood's example in many ways. It's like, you have to do something, or you'll lose money on purpose, as I understand it.

Don't you do that? This is just from the outside. I got a message from a guy on Instagram who sent me a chronicle he had written about this. I said I remember. He wrote a chronicle that is very clear that we lose purchasing power every year. And we lose purchasing power because we push more money. What you think is called inflation, which you thought was a misunderstood term, but we lose purchasing power because it is pushed more with money, to put it simply.

You know, I have one last thing to say about me, because despite the fact that I know quite a lot of things, but I know a lot about data, because that's my job, I've been working for 25 years, I run companies. But when it comes to clean-up-economy, I'm completely behind. I think that's the only point where I understand how a lot of people feel when they run with data, where I'm like, how difficult can it be to understand, and then they don't understand anything. And then when I run a company where I am daily leader in a company for 25 years, when I am in a general meeting and I have to go through the accounts, then I sit still like a stone with a question and just think like, yes, I rely on someone else in control here, because it's...

You can tell me about this fucking balance thing. I can just understand income and expenses, and then you have a sum. And then you ask if this is a fucking balance thing, what is it for someone, and where is it? I don't understand anything. So it's okay, I never have to tell you. No, you are also very bad at it. But I believe in the difference. You are very good at what you are good at. I am a little good at a lot, but I never get particularly good at it. I never get fucking bad either. Something I'm fucking bad at at it. I never get really bad either. Now I'm really bad at it. I'm a short-term good. If I don't have one superpower in life, I can absorb a lot of information and go back to the pattern recognition.

I think I'm pretty good at going through it. I was in the south for many years, and suddenly TV2 made a documentary about something called LDN, low-dose naltrexine. Naltrexone. What was it? It was a medicine, basically a tablet. Naltrexone is used in drug addiction, to treat alcoholism or heroin, you know, some drug addiction. It's been so long since, 15 years since she wrote about it now. But there was a documentary on NHK that claimed that a low dose of naltrexone is produced somewhere in the South of Norway in a factory. Very cheap tablets.

And people claimed that they were cured of MS and diverse and this new miracle medicine. Never heard of it before. But then I just sat there basically all night and just read up on all the research and stuff. I ended up writing a blog post and said, okay, this is the research we have been doing, low dosage and all that. No evidence that it works on anything, even if people think it's just AIDS and all sorts of weird stuff. And now it's obviously a blue dust, no one cares about it anymore, because it has no effect if you haven't heard about it in the future. But then there were several doctors who contacted me and said, thank you for the information, I didn't know this was useful for them. But it's funny because I haven't heard about anything in the course of a day,

I know so much about it that I can summarize as this is what we know today about this medicine. And then you sit like a crazy professor and just ram it on the keyboard. But then I would have liked to have forgotten again two weeks later. Because I am very bad at remembering things, I can absorb things and then I can get it out. And I have never been good at remembering details. It was like that at school. I was very bad at memorizing year numbers and facts.

But I was very good at looking at the overall features of the story. That saved me. That made me have good character and I could resonate with most of it. Because I understood how things would have happened. But I always miss Dag. He reads a lot. He knows all the names, what your name is and so on. He's not the top student on that, is he? No, but he's much better than me. I often feel I have a lot on my heart, but I can't express it, because I struggle with remembering details. I don't feel like I'm being heard too much, because I don't remember if I can't put the right names on the table. Is there anything you've thrown away, a way to use your head, than just the highest mistake in Asia?

That is... I'm also very bad at these things. Isn't it because you mess around a bit with the names? It's not that important. The big lines are what's interesting, That's what you're sitting there to deepen. Because I was very into Napoleon. I can't like stories and so on. I can deepen myself a little and sit there for a while. I don't like Napoleon because I remember Årstall, he married Josephine. I don't give a shit about that. I want the big lines. What was he thinking as a young man? How did he manage to live in the time? That he would get where he got music before, especially 80's music. I worked with music as a child, as a music school teacher, played in bands and composed a lot of stuff.

I was very music-dependent. I read everything I came across. So I was playing music genius, something like that. Or was it just categorical music? I was going to impress everyone, because there were obscure things like who produced Madonna's album Dittnerdaten in 1984, and so on. So yes, that was him. I forget to do it now, but there was a period when I was so into that. A period when you threw away this… an endless period. I think it's satisfying to have you in head, as long as you can use it.

Imagine how much it took up by capacity. There were blog posts and fantastic things. Do you think people have used it for when Madonna wrote that song? I have some strange things left, so I can just remember the obscure things about 80s music. But it's worth seen it a bit. – Yes. I'm enjoying myself. – Go ahead. – I'm enjoying myself. Are you having a good time? – I'm ready for three hours. – I see. I would like to sit for a long day, but it's a bit of a waste,

because as I said before, I'm going to do stand-up in English for the second time in my life. That's a great and get drunk when she is my girlfriend. Then I have to stand in that situation. You can't blame it on the sharpness. No, I have to stand there and bomb. I think I was influenced by what I did once long time ago. At first I was much fresher in stand-up, so I couldn't do that so well. And I was a lot worse in English in a way. That is something I had to learn over the years, which I don't want to do in English at school.

I have a bad language ear. So I've just become better at looking at things in English, working a little bit grammatically here and there. Then you make your own material in English and you can translate it. I was the one who was the most friendly. I have a show, you took pictures, very nice pictures. Those who saw the show saw Gunnar running around like this. I think I said it at some point, that I work for money Gunnar, when I was preparing myself for the show. I knew it was going to happen, but I was also a bit stressed out. I went through the whole show in my head, you know. So I just had to keep going and work up there.

And I was so exhausted after the show that I kept going. It was a bit like that, I was booked in to take pictures of the show, but I suggested that I could come a bit earlier and take some pictures backstage. And they said, oh, cool. And I travelled with Dagport, and took a lot of pictures of him. And he is the one who just sits backstage and chill. And he is the one who just sits and talks. I saw that a bit before me.

But when I came backstage on your show, from the moment I came to the show start, you just walked back in the hall. In full focus. I said, I have nothing to take pictures of. I just have to take pictures in the process. On the contrary, today I am less... I am quite systematic, as usual, but when it comes to stand-up, it is very little written. Dag is very... He writes more than I do, and he is good at getting it to feel organic and straight from...

It feels real, it doesn't feel read. But I have maybe created a plan for myself that I should have all the shit in my head. And then I have very... Then it really seems chaos. I had many rehearsals and so on. Before I went on, it was just chaos. it's complete chaos here. I just have to see how this goes. Because now it's one hour and a quarter up my sleeve, and I have some pillars, I have a system for it, but I never get done. And before the premiere, it was a very sensitive feeling, because I don't get done with this. I just have to... When I first stand in that position, that I have a premiere at the Center Museum, and a thousand people and such, then I just have to... I have to work, work, work until the end of the year. So I was stressed out a bit unnecessarily, so I managed to stress myself down just before I was going on. But I was pretty... I don't usually get as stressed as I was then.

What I found sad was that it was very cool to get to take pictures, but I missed most of the shows. I had to send press pictures after half an hour, like I go backstage and sit there for 40 minutes and just edit pictures. And then God comes back and takes the picture at the end. So I should have laughed. But what I heard from others was that it was damn good. Yes, it was like premiering everything a little bit like that. And I'm more into intimate scenes. I think the center stage is fun, but it becomes too big for me to enjoy it properly. I don't get the feeling of... If you had done stand-up, you would have been a comedian.

You would have seen it in the audience, you would have found a point, I think. The same day I lost... The day Dag, I don't think Dag is a huge spectator. But he is an artistic track. One of them is that when I go on stand-up with Dag, he looks very little at the audience. He is in his own world on stage, as if he doesn't dare to look at anyone. Yes, at least when... I have been on... I have been on and warmed up for Dag. Was it the second show he had? The third show? Cognitive Dissonance.

And then... When he gets to play a part, he loosens up a bit. I think it was better on tour, yes. Then he didn't think so much about it. But I have seen him a bit less on the rehearsals and such. And then I often feel that he is very distant from the audience. He is in his own world. He can do whatever he wants, because he is the king, and he is so inspiring, and so nice guy.

He can be a bit too direct and too full. But that's just one time I think... I agree with him a lot, but with's a core story that we can be quite disagreeable about. It was only once, after a dialogue recording, or something like that, two or three years ago, me, him and my cousin went out to eat a place. And then we ended up in a discussion about this with death penalty and heaven, which is the eternal disagreement between me and him. Because I am a person who says, no, but heaven is never reasonable. But he is like, heaven is a human instinct, and it is important for the world and so on.

I got that one. Then I think he genuinely got angry at me for a short period. I was like, I sat and snorted, because I thought, he didn't fart now, he didn wasn't coughing, but I was like, fuck, he's actually angry at me. That's probably what he's angry at, because I think he can handle the VNB. Or I think he's pissed because you know. He was so pissed at me because he knew. But he can be a bit of a small ampere, a little bit out there, so that's the only thing I have against him. But he's completely king-inspired, and he's the one in Norway who produces the most material. And he has a style and a form that adds a little. He goes for things that are current. He talks about important things that are happening at the same time.

But that is the hardest thing to write about and make it funny. And there are some funny jokes and crazy jokes in there too. But there is a lot that has substance and it is very difficult. There is a reason that very few in Norway do the same. If there is anyone... I would like to see the show one day. I would like to see it. And actually bring something with me, because I haven't done it. But are you...

Is it important for you to have some message or opinion? Or is it just for the jokes? Now I feel like I'm developing very much as a comedian from show to show, or from year to year, or from every other year. It happens a lot. You grow as a person, and you are so incredible as a comedian. You should do it at least. So a lot of material in this show, the Lagerkultur show, was written a couple of years ago, and I have worked it up to become pretty solid, and at the same time I have worked with for some years. And half of it was very new and just what I felt, the new material is very...

There is a different style to it, so two styles in one show. And I was very conscious of that and I felt that it had to be like that, and I didn't do anything about it. But I felt that my style has originally been very sketchy, very white, very absurd and unimportant. Talking about blue and white, it wasn't Friday anyway but it was Friday. Anyway, I played out a sort of blue and white polo. Who is the upper class? Who is the one who is careful that people don't do this? When I hear the premise now, it's a very simple premise, and it's very sketchy at the time. But it worked very well at the time. It was one of the bits that sat very well.

But I have become more like that, I talk about... it's interesting to talk about the rapst in the eyes, and I talk about... I have a bit about IES and Paradise and Jomfrur and those things, which are less... I often play out some characters, with less absurd premises and absurd directions the joke takes. So from going from a very review-standup to more like I try to calm down a bit and just talk about things that people have a relationship with what they have seen in the media. That has been the development. And lately there has been a lot of things that I find interesting, things about the metaverse, the group violence against the metaverse. I haven't noticed that.

I think it was a subject that wrote about it, and some international media that wrote about it, and some international writers wrote about you. One who was going to write about violence in the metaverse, and that's a fun premise. And the point of the joke is, can't you just get me a pair of VR glasses? It's not the modern privilege of violence victims, that you can just... privilege of being able to... shit. A lot of... yes, things like that actually. So that's the difference, that it has gone from a very timeless thematic to maybe a little more directed towards things that are more fresh and more

current. And that is very... I think that's the direction to go. I think that Dag, for example, and similar comikers, Doc Standup, who can keep up. I feel forever with it, because you are so… You are not bound to one style. You develop all the time, and then you follow phenomena that are in time all the time. Then no one can take you when you are old. But if your style is old, then it is worth it. That's something I think is fun. I got to participate in your Epstein bit, and it was very cool. It's a bit like that, fun without Ukraine or whatever. To take current topics, which can be very serious, and just find an absurd position in relation to that. I think that's the most fun thing, to take it into a kind of, what do you think about it? And then something find an absurd position in relation to that. I think that's the most fun, to take it into a, what are you thinking about?

And then something completely crazy. I think that the fun thing is that Hawking was there. He's not pleasant. It's fun in itself, but it wouldn't have lasted. Because everyone has had it, but the fun thing is that I go into it. Then everyone can be there. then everyone can be there. Then everyone can be there. And it's pretty cheap, but it's fun to say,

Hans-Ola Lahlum, yep, he was there. Rosa Parks, yes. And I mention the most insane people I've ever been to. It's fun. Annenkant Vestli. I lost half of my audience. People don't know who Annenkant Vestli is. I've been there. It's fun. Annika Westley. It's fun. I lost half of my audience. People don't know who Annika Westley is. The young ones. I don't know.

I've never felt so old. Two things. I was interviewed by Vennesla at the time. By Vennesla for a while. She came to interview me, talked a little about what I was doing, and I said yes. I started my company in 1999. Yes, that was the year I was born. Jesus Christ. old me. But it must be mentioned, we must admit that this is a bit like the circle of the end.

This is the second time we talk in the podcast room. And the first time we talked in the podcast room, I was invited as a guest to a podcast you had with Lars Joachim. Yes, Jorsman. Which is called Jorsman. The same in modern media. And that was when I thought, cool, it's always fun to be invited, I'm always happy to be invited to podcasts. Come down.

A little bit of that. Yes, a little killabitch. Come down to this studio that was in in Brugate in the time, where I had an office myself a few years before. Terrible office location. I moved out of that office because I had windows out to the main street. Not so bad in Oslo geography. And you know, Hans Fekings Thon,

yes, Ola Thon, who owned that building, he bought this building and then he leased it out. And it's something valuable with that, because he does it for people who don't have that much money. But he does it for a minimum, so there was no ventilation, no kitchen. Then one of the people who got air in the room, closed the window and there was a bus going by. Here you can be if you want, but you risk dying. It was exactly that. It was like when we were up in the window for three days, there was a centimeter-tongued team with a traffic jam on the window frame.

I can't wait to start smoking the day after, because this is completely meaningless. But anyway, I was invited to the podcast. One of our guys was really nice, because we played the podcast. But then we sat down for an hour while, and just talked about stuff. Jim, the producer, the boss here in Modern Media, me and you, and he sat down and talked. It was so much fun. Then I came home and thought, fuck it. I started the podcast in 2010 with Salt Klyper, together with Andreas Wahl, Marit Simonsen and Bro Renna, a bunch

of people in a skeptic podcast. So I stopped with that after 50 episodes, because I was going to write my first book in the place of Bodfekten, so I thought I needed time for that. And then I had my own podcast, where I came out with a few episodes, and I was home editing and producing it. But I had always dreamed of having a place where you could go in and play a podcast, and I had some other things that I gave technical. Let me think about it. And when I was invited to you, I realized that this was actually a podcast studio, and I sent an email to Jim and said, Hey, is it possible to play your podcast here?

Then you told me you had a little meeting, and then I talked a little about what I could think of myself. And then he asked who wanted to be with me, and I said, no, my girlfriend is today's Eurus, which I didn't know very well, but we had had some contact on email and messages throughout the years, because he had been following my blog for many years and such. This was in 2017, I think. And then I sent a message to him on messenger and said, Hey, I know you're traveling and stuff, but could you think of doing a podcast? And then bla bla bla, then I got to a podcast and it became a dialogue.

So if I hadn't been invited to Jorsmann, dialogue would never have existed. And probably no other podcast. You don't know that. It could have been a similar scenario three months later, which made you die. Maybe. It was a whole universe and it happened. But now we live in a whole universe. I'm very happy that you came into the studio that time and that you started with a dialog.

I haven't heard everything. You haven't stopped completely, but have become fewer and fewer episodes, so it's coming up gradually now. We formally stopped in the end of 2020 after a pandemic period where we played virtually over the internet, and then no one felt that it was particularly pleasant, we were happy to sit in the studio. So we felt a little empty-handed, we thought that we didn't want that anymore. But then we started again a year or so later, and found out that we were going to record an episode every now and then, when we feel something in our hearts. So we came up with an episode with a couple of months in between. Absolutely. And the last time you came here, you played in on my premiere day.

Yes, it was right before the premiere. Right before you were going to the premiere. And It was called Killer Pitch. I forgot to drink Killer Pitch. It's damn good. It's nice as hell. It was a very final tone. It wasn't planned. But we were on for about an hour. I noticed that I had put a lot of effort into the English stand-up. So at some point I have to work with it. It's something with when you have to do 12 minutes, it's like a company job. You have to start the job, but at the same time it goes by so fast.

If you manage to get through it, it's done. Then you might have worked a little too much again. But are you trying to win and make an English stand-up? Yes, it's seldom just to challenge myself. You get a bit numb. First, I had the nervousness that drove me a lot, and I have continued to do what I have to do, like in the premiere, so it's not like I don't work.

But you have to feel the excitement, and you have to perform yourself. If I say that it's going well today, and I do it again, and I get a little bit of the drive, then it's also about working abroad. I thought it was an ambition, if you want to. I'm not going to settle in England or the US, Dennis. I have a family, but it's never been a dream. But they could go somewhere, it could be Germany or wherever. Go to a stand-up thing in the Alps, in connection with a vacation,

there is a stand-up, then you can do that too. I just thought it would be nice to have that under control a little. Yes. Speaking of feeling old, and something else that I no longer remember anymore, but it was on Bruno. I met you at your premiere when I took the pictures, but before that I think the last time I met you was actually after a show day. Yes, I think I remember, it was on Tilt. I was sitting somewhere outside, and I sat next to the ladies, sat down and talked a little, and mentioned in a contribution that she mentioned Ola Sirdal. And I was like, huh? You are in Sirdal? And then I felt old.

Because this is in the mid-90s, and I showed that I worked a lot with her mother, who was a drama teacher. And her mother and father had set up Hair in the secondary school in Sirdal. They called it for a little hair in spring. And then I got the job of making all the music. So we sat there for months and listened to the hair album. And then I reproduced the music on the computer. So when we performed the musical, I had the computer. And I had played the piano. And I had a friend who was a guitarist, who had the whole soundtrack.

I remember my father, it was my father, Stefan Arne. Stefan? Yes, he was so impressed, I remember. He was a musician and was very... He was a blues musician, a very good guitarist. You look like Jesus. I look like Jesus, yes. A mix of Jesus and nervousness. It turns out that she was the fucking daughter of us. But I remember her as a little bitchy little girl who just came along and ran around like a triad or something.

And suddenly she sat there, developed and grew up. And said, Jesus, is this the same person? Have I become so old? Yes, but that's how you experience it all the time. I meet people who were children, I mean, siblings, friends of mine. It was late, I met my sister, she was my best friend. And I was also a Vicar teacher, and I was also a teacher. I worked at the school she went to. But I couldn't connect that she was the same person. I knew she would most likely have been with her family when I met them. But I didn't greet you.

And then there was a small atmosphere. This is... What are you talking about? Because I couldn't connect that she had to grow up. I met people in the bank in Trans, and then I met the bank manager. She had me when I was the head of the children's choir in Sirdal. She had started at school and suddenly I was sitting in front of her asking for a loan. I was like, this wasn't right. But you seem to be not satisfied with things. You want to develop yourself personally. And do you have any big ambitions? Do you want to achieve something? Do you want to have dreams?

This was a big talk show after a book of time, but I'm 100% for it. If I had chosen a different path in life, I would have become an actor. I think the path is quite good. There is a kind of two-sidedness that is very interesting. You are, as you say, almost an artist, a very calm guy, but damn, you are a rabbi, and it's polyamorous, and it's swinging so full of yourself. Can you talk about that? It's again an autistic thing, because I have never understood what things should be like they are. I'm not like, oh, you should be monogamous if you should be......a suitcase. And then there are no good arguments. It's nothing wrong with people who choose that, if it's a choice.

But I can't understand suitcases, and it's not my... For me it's just like, I don't understand this. If you're logical and evolutionary, it's not logical. No, and not moral or anything like that. So it's just nothing that gives me an opinion. Not moral either? Because I mean polyamory, it's just nothing that gives me an opinion. Isn't it moral? I mean polyamorousity doesn't mean that everyone is open to each other, everyone knows what's going on, and it's the same opinion. But it's something... Research shows that in the world of Kink and polyamorousity, autistic people are extremely overrepresented.

If you meet someone who is in your environment... You mean 95%? I don't know what percentage they are, but it's probably a high probability that they are neurodivergent in a way. Because they are in that nature... Or something that is only the word, you are just laughing at it. What do you think? Or neuro spicy, as they call it, if you want to be cooler. What do you mean? Just be a little like neuro-o-crisp, a little bit different, a little more. And I recognize that very well, because I'm just like, again it's something you feel,

that what's wrong with me, why can't I just re-arrange myself after something that seems okay to everyone else. But I just don't understand it, and if I don't understand, I mean, I was only allowed to sit down, no, by a horse, on the way, no, at the youth school, because I always asked questions about things. When the teacher said things like that, I said, if I don't understand it, I can't do it. I need an argument. You just need to argue why you give me that instruction, why you demand this from me.

Then the teacher got tired of me saying, I don't understand. And it wasn't that difficult. I just wanted an explanation. If I get an explanation that is legitimate, I'm 100% in favor of this. But you have to have an argument for it. I have a daughter who is 17 and I have been in the department that I have argument, I can't say that we should do this. She is always good at arguing. And that is a bit of a memory. Because you can organize yourself and just do exactly what you want.

And almost 100% of the time I just have to say, no, you are right. I have to give myself here, because. I never believed in this authority, that because I'm a parent you should just follow my word. No, it must be a reason, it must be a valid argument. What did we talk about? We talked about... Yes, about the polio, of course. It's in my nature, that as long as I'm not... I'm very concerned about about hurting anyone, I'm just happy to push someone to the edge. And if someone goes straight into it, I had an experience at the East Bank, I was supposed to go out to the East Bank,

and then a fuckface comes and just for a provocation, just smacks me away, I say I'm sorry. Because I always say I'm sorry. I always feel like it's best to say I am sorry, because it can be my fault. I am not afraid to make a face or anything. I am always more in a conflict, as some people think, when they read my blog. But if I am not afraid to go through the the arguments and documentation, I can be understanding. This is the right thing. That's a bit of a reason why you go so deep into the work. Because then you can't have a back-up.

Then you have your right. You have done so much research that no one can take you on. Then you have your back free, then you don't have to have uncomfortable conversations. I don't say my back is free, because I'm always up for people saying this is wrong, and if I have arguments for it, I correct it. It's not like I always write the blogs 100% right. But I have to feel pretty safe, because I know I have a cover for it. But is there anything with conflict-sol opinion? This is a hint of that, but it's probably just because I'm completely genuine in saying that people shouldn't have strong opinions about things that are not really evidence. And if I have that, if I write a blog post that I have done that is more like this, and I should come up with my opinions about something else,

then I try to be very clear that this is my opinion. It's not like I say that this is the truth or fact or something. I try to keep a distance on that. But for me it's not natural. I'm always fascinated by people who have extremely strong opinions about things they don't know anything about. I am honest that I am often just trying to make fun of other things, and I tend to correct myself and say, I am just talking shit, I know, fuck it. That's the advantage of being a comedian, right? I am always just like, no, it was fun. I get a lot of... I like that side of myself a bit. I like that... I think it's very fun to talk.

And I am a bit too lazy to read a lot, so I just start babbling. And I feel that I'm good at listening to podcasts and stuff. Now you really don't have to take this for granted. Now I'm just having fun. This has only been my own part. I don't want to teach you anything. I'm just babbling away. And there are so many funny things in there, so it's a bit of a shock. But is important to point out, because it is very quickly done to be a comedian in a podcast,

and then you start talking about things, and you think you are smart, and then suddenly you sit, and then there are millions, maybe not Norway's, but then there are tens of thousands of people who actually believe in the shit you are talking about. It is important to just very clear on that. And I have said it several times. Nothing I say here can be used as knowledge, or in a way, do not take it further. Let it lie here. Let it lie in the landscape of humor. Back to what you started with, with Huberman and Rogan and that gang. That's the problem. I think that Hubbeeman is technically a competent guy. He is a professor in Neuro-science. God knows.

And most of them are... Jordan Peterson is a competent person. I think they would have been much more sensible to say if they had kept the podcast and the spotlight and published scientific research or articles and such things. So I think they would have had much to contribute. The problem is, as you said last time, with what is called audience capture, that when you first get an audience, you have to start from the wish you have, or you lose your income. And that's what I've always been so fond of with my blog.

I always feel that there is a conflict, that I'm burning for blogging, I'm burning for photography, I'm burning for talking about things. I feel that I have something to say about certain topics that could be useful to others. And part of me would like to have done that all the time, I would like to be able to make business, blog and stuff. Yes.

But I also have to have this hard work that I love, I run my own company, extremely privileged, Yes. And can be my own boss and stuff. But sometimes I'm going to be like, Oh, I don't have time, I'm going to be able to blog every day, but I work from morning to night with this fucking programming and I don't have time. The advantage of that is that I have my main income for the company. I never depend on making money on the other things. So I never get caught by the audience capture.

Yes, I think it's just money that... I'm not sure, because I'm probably built in again, possibly connected to autism and that, but I'm the one who gets an automatically negative response if I get too much positive feedback on things. Okay, but then you are a bit in the special position there. I get a guilty feeling that if I write a debate, I get a real guilty feeling and regret that I participated in the debate and such. Because there is something in me. I can't even say it without hearing it so damn it, but it's true. It's you, but it doesn't apply to me. You know the other neuroscientist, he's the biggest of them all, he has a meditation app. Sam Harris.

Sam Harris, who was so close to the earth, calm, thoughtful and smart. It's the Napoleon complex we see here. Not just money, but take Peter McCollough and others. I think he says it very smartly, I agree with a lot, but it's very... Elon Musk also does not do the things he does if he does not have a snowy Napoleon complex. Elon Musk is a bit like Donald Trump and the say that if you have success in too many fields, economically, you start to believe that everything you say and mean must be true. Because otherwise you would have that success. And then you stop being self-critical, I think that's pretty dangerous.

Then I'll stop sleeping, and that's not good for you. I don't sleep when I sleep, I put myself to bed, but I don't have time to sleep. You have one success or a alcohol problem, and that this vlog goes on. Damn, they are in the same boat. I was lucky that I was economically independent. I could always write what I wanted without thinking that I have to get a lot of likes and a lot of dits. Because that's not what I have to say for my economy. Even though I would like more people to support me on Patreon, because it's always nice to feel that there are so many hours of work

and you don't get anything in return. People are so fond of such payments, these big payment walls, the apps, the podiums and so on. People pay, it's 50 a month, 50? 50-100 kroner a month. Or Oboe's Contigent, just things like that. It's completely unfair for people, or for a lot of people, to pay those 100 kroner. It's a kind of cognitive dissonance there, because 5 meals a day in the city, Friday and Saturday, that's fine. I don't quite get it, because there are so many who send me emails, and ask me if I can blog about it, and say something about it.

And then it's like, do you support me on Patreon? It costs 30 crowns a month, at the lowest level. You have the advice, most people have advice if they really think it's important what I do. The problem is that we live in a world that is actually driven by advertising is the big influencers, who are uncritical in the big streets, they go to the markets and so on as long as they get the money for it. I am one of those who have the clear voices they have heard, and like Vegard Dagblad, who is blowing up on the front page if they have meant something that is completely tragic. There are many researchers who have spoken, who have heard say exactly that. Conversion is actually the most credible thing now. If you are an exciting converter,

then everyone will talk about you. And that is a huge problem. I write about it in my second book, Handbook. If you pick up some autism vibes on me now, then you will have to piss like hell. Be honest on the signal I'm sending you. I do, but there was a study many years ago that showed that you pressed the better when you needed to. Yes, that's possible.

I always farted when I needed to, because I thought it would be so stressful that you just have to... As long as I let you talk, or did you have to fart too? I had to fart, yes. Because if I just shut up, you don't have much to say, really. Maybe I push you a bit, maybe I get a bit too un-concerned. I live in a f***ing world. I write about that in my book. Let me pee and we'll take another quarter. Now he can think again.

He can think again, that's right. Now, I'm a new person. Where were we? Do we remember that? No, I forgot too long ago. I forgot for a long time. What the hell? We should have memorized that a bit better. Before we just speeded up on the fish sauce. But back to the polyamorous thing, it's a bit clickbait, tabloid. I don't think people think that. If I had one overwrite or some kind of like that, people are clicking like hell on it. That's fascinating. What is the name of the dude I watch on a podcast with Kåne or Zambon,

who is called something with an open relationship? It's Thomas Leikvold. Yes, who is one of the least far up on the list. And again, just to show the classic, me and my son have been making podcasts about it for many, many, many years. But nobody notices it. It rumbles inside. Yes, maybe, but we have had episodes, and she has a podcast called Nerve. In one of the earlier episodes I was a guest. Tone, you got a lot of shout outs out, you got a message in Papaya.

I heard rumors. It was true, there was something with Tattooist or something. I haven't heard it myself, but there was someone who wrote on Twitter and linked a Reddit post. Someone discussed it on Reddit. It was about a tattooed woman was a coder than another woman. What are you going to have? A little pitch with a guy. It was something to drink, a sweet urtugerswipe.

The lady has tattoos in her head, or is it just where she doesn't have it? She has it in her face, but not in her head. You don't have one left, so you haven't managed to lock one single one. I have said it before, I am completely unbothered. Cheers for that. Two unbothered men. That's rare today. I say that I don't want the tattoo, but if I want one tattoo, it should be in my razzle. Inside Sauron's eye. Sauron's eye. I wonder, it's been talked about so much that I value to experience it.

It's a bit strange to say, have you got tattoos? Yes, I have. And then you turn around and your ass is shaking and shows Sauron's eye. Two times I was in the hospital and was operated by hemorrhoids. I put on too much information. I think people can handle it. So I should have had a tattoo there something brilliant that only the surgeon sees. No, I almost understood it. When the surgeon spreads my butt balls and sees it, ok.

I have pulled your dick. A little text or something. No, it must be a brilliant text that doesn't make you feel hungry. I've taken the serum, I'll say. But maybe it's not something that sounds like a man. No, I absolutely don't. And it's not like, oh, it's not cool enough for me. I love clichés and Hollywood films, nothing like that.

But a lot of times I've never regretted is the ring. How old are you? I'll be 50 in August. So you're a bit older. You were quite mature when the films came out. You can say that the books are good. I agree. I think the films are much better. I was in my perfect age when I saw the films on the side. It hit me. I was in my perfect age when I saw the movies on the side, and it hit me, I saw in hell, over all the body, that I have no words for it. And that's why I sucked in. I think I've seen all three, I'm not quite sure, but I think I fell asleep when two of them...

Yes, you were about 7 years old. I was... I think they was around the end of the 90s. Was it that early? Yes, around 2000. I think I was the first to arrive in 2001 maybe. I was about 25-26 years old. And you were sleeping under several... Yes, but it confirms... I just didn't understand anything.

Imagine my hypothesis that if you were 20 years old, if you were a bit older, you wouldn't have met in the same way. I always say that it's not wrong with fantasy in itself, but the fantasy that hit me was Willow. It was? Willow. I don't know. Good old movie from the 80's or early 90's, I think. It's a bit crappy today, but it has a hairless effect. Val Kilmer played the lead role.

With a guy who came with a dwarf world, with lots of dwarves. I can't say dwarves anymore. No, but when you were on the base at that time, you were allowed to have them. At that time, I was old. He is so crappy when you see the effects.

But it was funny and absurd. I liked it. But in Ringendis Herre it was like, there is nothing charming about this. Nothing funny. You have analyzed it, because Ringenes Herre is after books of storytelling. All elements are for a good story. And not necessarily in the books. In the books, the interpretation...

This is a storytelling technique that goes back to the antiquity and so on, so there is nothing to do with that. But Peter Jackson and the movies, it is so… You have all the characters, all the boxes, where there is good against evil, there are all things… All things are a good story for that. Sex, right? Sex, it is very rare, I think no one else has seen it. Classic mistake, that's what they lost me. It's the diss that they're holding on to now, because they're not going to have any violence or sex, or they censor everything, because they're going to be child friendly.

But maybe you sat there and thought that this is too after the book. I don't think I had any very analytical assessment, it was more just like that. I don't think I have very analytical assessment, I just don't know. It was half a minute with the throw-away thing from my side. But okay. Swingers, you are polio-lover, but does that mean it's swingers and that thing? I want to go a little deeper into that thing, but I think it's fascinating. You with your limited social skills. How the hell do you manage that?

This is something I talked about in my own podcast. I got a long email from a guy who was very nice and I never answered him. So if you listen to this, I'm sorry to answer an email. But anyway. Swinging, I am very open to such things and I think it's fun to experience something. But again, a paradox for me is that I have no problem with having sex in public and people watching. It's the social that stops me. I like to go to a swinger club. You're not going to talk before or after? I have been to swinger club in Oslo and abroad, and I thought it would be great if I could be a bit anonymous and just come in. Not to talk to people, a bit of a date. But sometimes it means that you have to get to know people, and they are on smalltalk and such, and then you miss me.

Exactly, that's very interesting. I laugh a lot, it's funny's funny. You've talked about your personality and personality type. You come and sit in here like a sex machine, you're the one lying in the middle. To be honest, I've never had sex at a singer's club. I go to many singer's clubs. But never? I think I've gotten a little drunk. I don't remember if I've touched it. I'm a little sick. I don't remember if I've got fingers or not. But the task for me to lie down is much higher.

And it's rare that I've seen someone who is like, oh Jesus, she was really attractive. But I like that atmosphere when I'm lying down with people who are like, they can lie down and pull over there, and then we can sit and talk about football there. Not that I talk about football, but... But it's something with that sexual thing, sex is just like daily life, nobody cares if someone is sitting in a corner with their ear and... I think that maybe, just to speculate, I'm a little annoyed here now, but maybe many of those who visit these places have a lot of the same as you in a way, or that Bond matches you a little? Or is it very social? Is it George Clooney, Is it James Bond who is there with Dr. Martinez and has a whole range of conversations?

It varies a lot. I have been to Cap d'Agne sometimes, which is a naturalist slash swinger's country town in France. Country town? Yes, there are restaurants, shops and everything, but you can go around Nagenevalt and... Oh! And that's the only place on earth where I feel like I can be myself. And when I come back to Norway, I don't think I'll come to the rest of the world like that. It feels so artificial and absurd that here you have to hide... And how much does it cost to get a small apartment over there?

No, I think it's pretty expensive actually. Because the most attractive thing is to travel, because you'll come to the whole world, but I've been there before, and when you come you can basically dress up, you can go to the shop in go to the store, sit at a restaurant and eat a nagen. You can walk past a parking lot and suddenly there are two guys who are beating up a woman on the tank and the car. And then you go down to the Swingar Beach and there it's just group sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex you have to go somewhere else and it's crazy. It's a hotel where you can rent an apartment and they have a camping site and they want to camp there. There are permanent apartments there that I don't talk about, like the ones that live there. But it's season, so... Now it's a shame that we don't have two more hours.

Because I find this so damn interesting. Because again, here you feel comfortable. Yes, it's absurd. I don't feel like... There had not been a crisis for me, but I had been very like that. I am a normal type, I am very... These things had been very strange for me. Very strange, very strange.

Here I really had to go through a process to think that this was the living. The last time I was there I was with a friend of mine, and we went to the so-called Swing. It's like two beaches, the one and a half part is in a way a normal nudist beach. Not as a family event. Not as a rollercoaster. No. But then there is a section that is in a way a swinger beach, and 90% is there. It's like 10% on the people on the beach are there. And we go out into the sea, and there are people in circles, and there is a lady in the middle who is sucking people and swallowing them.

Bukake? Is that the bukake? Bukake is to get a lot of seed in your th your face. They do that at some point. But anyway, we went to the beach and… Well, it's easy to get it again. Just take a small dip and wash it off. It's a bit practical to do it in the sea. Salt water is a bit easy. But it's a bit annoying, because I was there with my girlfriend and we went to the lake and sat there. And then it started to look like a savanna with lions approaching. Then the men came and went towards me with their sticks in their hands.

Are they wanted? Isn't it very sensitive to these things? That we don't have to come here like wolves? I have to emphasize that in the swingerers and Kinky-environment, this is very important. I think you are often safer there than in a city in Oslo. You can be a wolf, but you can't bite. No, you have to wait for signals, you wait for an acceptance. But you try. So they are standing right on the side, and they hope that they will give signals, like, yes, come in your kitchen.

And many like very good wolves. Yes, it is popular. But just when I was sitting there, I wasn't very keen on involving someone else. But suddenly they just say to me, if you turn around now, you have a cow basically in your ears, so there was one with big ass here, 10 cm away from me. What are you thinking, go through your head., 10 cm away from me. What do you think? What goes through your head? What annoys me is that you talk about this as if it was completely normal. I was very normal.

I was very autistic. And you just wave it away like a fly. I get cognitive dissonance on one side, and think, fuck, can't you just pull it away? And I was that person. I was alone there, and I was like, they'll see what happens. And then later on... You have to be calm, you have to keep going, and keep pushing.

But I was with Hott, so I understood that the men were curious. And later on, we were lying on the beach, and it was late at night, and most of them had left, so there wasn't a lot of people there, but there were some people still. It was getting dark, and then they picked me up, and she was drinking me. And then the water came back, you know. Look at the eyes! Look at the eyes around the neck! But they are so nice, because no one does anything wrong. They don't go too far. Is it more beautiful if you knew you was wrong, did it get hit hard?

Technically I think it's illegal to have public sex there. Internal justice? But the money in the system is that the police chose to look away from it. I know it's our period, this is just read on the internet, but I think it's our period where the police comes and slaps you, saying that it's not allowed. Yes, but that's something you see around the world. There are 3000 people there and have sex, so it's difficult to do that. There are many places in the world where it's illegal to smoke and smoke, and it's illegal in your country. You go there to do it anyway. It's so nice, after a while it made me sick I was starting to get a bit concerned about the people who were travelling up and down.

And then they started to thank me. Thank you for the show and all that. And I was like, ok, that's nice. Gunnar, the stories and the pictures you painted for me, it's a crazy... I know things happen, but to get it first hand, you have to get it from… straight from… what's it called? From the baker… Is there any expression for that? There is some expression, but I don't remember.

From the mouth of the devil. Because there are I have already taken you through my story. That's very in my landscape. I took a glory hole joke in my show, where he mentioned my name, so it's not like I'm hiding it. But it's a funny story. And for me, again, it's like, why is it wrong? I don't understand why there is a problem. Why not just the whole world? For me, it's not wrong. It's just the crazy about it. I'm just looking forward to it. For me it's like, why is the whole world fake? You might go home and take a If I could live in the world I want, I could sit down at a cafe and drink. What a joke! A happy meal, a big back and then I should… A piece of the heart. But what do we see after this? I understand, it's food-formulated. You have to understand that it's nice sometimes not to have

rumbling third parties all the time. It's not legal. It's not legal that they go rumbling. I agree. I went to a coffee shop and an old man sat there rumbling, so I thought, ok, this is... But couldn't there be a rumbling café? What kind of an age is this that you're doing here now? and the man sat down and puked, I thought, ok, this is... But couldn't he have puked in a café? What kind of an age is this that you're doing here now? Not an old man himself. A young man or young woman. I don't think young women have that much courage.

You'd rather have a young man sitting down and puking than an old man. That's what you're hanging up on. That's my way. You know what? Fuck! This is my ultimate dilemma in life. Should we dunk in... You know, I have to... You'll hear it, I'll show you. The show starts in one and a half hours, and I'm a bit out there. I haven't thought for a second about the translation from Norwegian to English.

I was talking to Lars last time, Lars Berrum. He is the worst Norwegian to speak English. But he has been to Edinburgh and done shows. He is better than Jens Stoltenberg and... Yes....Leyneke. But I don't like him in terms of speech, but I recognize his lack of curiosity in the school. It's bad. Bad basic knowledge in English. I am an English mother. I am technically half English. And I speak for it, so it's not very good English. But Lars has been to Edinburgh himself. He has just spoken, he has babbled along the way, with banal, very Norwegian translations.

If I have to say banal, he says the leg. The leg? Such things. And he has gotten sex in the local press. The show has gotten sex. It's exotic. I notice that Kim, what's her name? Kimmish, Kimmikildleputsen is here. Should we just take another episode? I always...

I feel that our way, in a way, what's interesting in the conversation, where no one judges each other, but our worlds are so different, and this swing and open sexuality is one thing, but I think there is much more to come. So I hope you can get in there. Can you get in there in the fall? Yes, and invite us, I love podcasts. I am going to say... I am going to record an episode tomorrow as well, with a guy called Andre Nilsen, do you know him? He talks a lot about Russian politics and such. I know his name, I have never met him. No, he is... We are going to talk a lot about Russian politics and Shohei, so I am unsure about which episode will be released on Friday tomorrow. But what I know is that... Now I talk a lot to the listener, Gunnar, so I will make you

look a bit better. What I know is that there will be two... I mean, a jubilee, 200 episodes next week. And then we will, in tradition, believe and get... In fact, Lars Berrum mentioned in the studio, he was guest number 1, he was guest number 100, and he is guest number, episode number 300, and it became 400, it became 500, it became 600, maybe up to, you said you were not so good at numbers, but how many episodes should I have then, if I am like 80 years old, what are we on then? Are we on 10 000 episodes or what are we doing today? Are we on 10 000 episodes? I'm so happy, I don't know. He comes every 100th, and that will be next week. So we'll see which of these episodes will be missed. I guess this one will be missed tomorrow. And then we'll save...

We've had a dialogue for a long time called Polio withorose swingersaper. So you can't use that title. No, Poliomorose swingersaper can't be used. But how tabloid can it be in title and description before you get pissed? This sells. Or the joke is pissed. This one sells. I'm not selling it, damn it. I'm going to take your name as well. Just that. Not something like that. A real pig-like man. I'm going to maybe mention it in the description.

Let's go. Not much more than that. I mean, I'm already out there like a glory... Glory hole. Jesus, I can't talk about that. Glory hole! Glory hole aficionado. What the hell is that called? Glory hole...

Aficionado. Con... con... con... I have a friend who called me on Twitter, so... Have we seen the show where he stood up and... But let's conclude with what you didn't get to do with the glory hole thing. What? You didn't get to do with the glory hall thing. What? You didn't get to do the glory hall thing. No, I'm here to listen to Dag's show to tell that story.

It's true, but it's a bit blurry when it comes to time, and worthiness and such. Simple details, but not anything else. Dag's show, if you haven't seen it live, it will be on some channel. I know we work a bit with justice for that. I think it's still the same thing. If it comes on another channel. I think we work with justice for that. I think it's funny, if it comes on TV2 or something, and people in Sirdal are watching it, and then he says, yes, it's a friend, Gunnar Chomly. And then he comes with a glory old story, and then there are many coffee makers who come and sit in people's throats. I grew up working in the church and in the ministry.

Oh my God, that's... I should have put up some cameras. It's not allowed, it's a data protection law. I should have put up cameras all over the place, just in case it comes out right. Glory Halls is one of my favorites. I have two favorite themes. I know Dag had a text on it. I did a little glory roll thing in Oslo last year. It was a bit ambivalent, because I knew Dag had a text on it. I tried to do a little text, but I didn't touched it yet, but one of my favorite themes, glory holes. There is so much there, so much to take, so much stuff. And I think the joke is that instead of going all in on having a glory hole, a dazm glory hole, there is a glory hole activity. Instead of just one hole, you have a big hole on one side of the bass, and you run through it, and you get a real height. You have to measure it once, you have to measure it several times per bass. Isn't that a bit fun? And then the other topic, Siamese twins, I will make a video on that. I think it's very little to talk about.

Can you combine them? I got a question when I talked about the previous podcasts, when I talked alone, I put on Telomo's tag. And then there was one who asked me, can Chiamese twins have different gender? And then I said, normal twins can have it, so then the Chiamese can have it too, right? No, for normal twins you can have only two eggs and one egg. If you have a one-egg twin, then you have the same definition. And a Siamese twin will always be a one-egg twin. Okay, would you? Yes, because it's one egg that has not really divided itself.

So you have two eggs developing together. I'm babbling like a white devil about treesknowing Devil, when two different trees grow together, and then they melt together. Isn't that true? No, not really, but I wonder if it exists. I'm not sure if I read about it. If you can feed two separate eggs, and then they can melt together afterwards.

I'm not sure. But because you can't... When you are two parents, you can't melt together. But it has to be on the egg level. It has to be very, very, very… On the place of the line level, which Tomiko would like to modulate or something like that. I'm not sure, but generally it's an egg that doesn't share completely, and then you get to say it with its filling, and then you have to, by definition, share one egg for the same DNA. and then he can share his feeling, and then you have to agree on that.

Look at Dag's show, to hear about the Glory All History to Gunnar. I didn't get the rights to it, unfortunately. But Gunnar will have the rights from Dag, and will empty his pocket today. Dialogically, the podcast is for Dag and Gunnar, and then you have the Saksundsbloggen too. The story is a bit of a If there is something else, you can shout out here. Then it's a fucking nightmare with people. I would say that I'm into photography, and I always enjoy photography if you are an artist or a comedian. I'm very happy. I enjoy taking concert pictures,'m not sure, it was fun to take concert pictures, I work, I run, I do everything possible, so cool to take. Check out qa.no, q-u-a-l-i-a.no, which is my website for photos,

look at my pictures, make contact. If you were at Center Museenet, you might have seen Gunnar running around taking pictures, you never got eye contact with him. And one last thing I have to say, check out YouTube, because I have been following Dag on tour. And the first three episodes, which are on the way with Dag Søraas, are on my doubtful, more common YouTube channel. There will be three episodes. The last episode you will see everything that happened in Jakobskirken. Backstage, understage, the production of Dag's show. We will not talk about Dag, my most angry rival. Thanks for listening and we will see each other in the fall.

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