Fladseth - #201 - Andrè Nilsen

Episode Date: June 14, 2024

Meget interessant og god prat om ruspolitikk, blandet med løs og kødden tone. Andrè er en topp fyrSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It's just that we're starting. I usually sing in and stuff. It's done, Andre! I'm done with it! I don't want to! What do you usually sing? I usually sing Kurt Nielsen. Is that right? She's So High? I can take the last one. This will be the last one. I usually sing one of two, often Never Easy or She's So High. And then I sing the end of it, I can take Never Easy, because I sing...

No, I'll take She's So High. Because then... This is mine. High Above Me, that was Kurt Nilsen's immortal classics, She's So High, you are on the CD, it's Friday, and then I'm on the CD, so this was the last time you heard that version, because now I'm pissed off. Now there are 200 episodes next week. Oh, damn, not today? No, you know what? You have to move back a bit. This episode will not come until a week after that.

Because I have a tradition with Lars Berrum, the comedian, the tall, sick-fag, he was the first guest, he had 100 guests and now he has 200 guests. Okay, I can accept that. You can accept that. André Nielsen, here we are talking about a guy who wants to change Norwegian Russian politics, so that he can just slide his ass over a low shoe, easy access to the good stuff. Yes. Sad with both hands. Access is there today. So what am I actually trying to do?

It's a good question. It's nice to be able to get some proper stuff, and to have to search through these bags you get on the street and drive and... Drive and walk on the street. Drive and walk on the street. Yes, I am walking on the street, a bit. But, to be honest, you are called a Russian influencer. Yes, a bit of a surprise. I was called that. There was one who called me a Russian influencer once.

So it was a bit catchy and in our time. So I have taken some ownership of it. I think that Russian politics is very interesting and has engaged me a little bit in several years. I mean things, but very emotional. I feel more than based on my statistics. That's a fact. And you can build up with a lot of statistics. You work with this. And I hate it when you are just sitting in an echo chamber. You have to remove the sheets and try to see arguments that don't necessarily fit in the picture you are trying to paint. So I can try to be a little bit of a genius. remove the and put all the drugs in one box, which is the same. They have these gaps.

So it is important that the opponents try to be open to both sides. Because the goal is that the weak and our youth should have it good, and that they should find a solution that works, that is sustainable and and is the future. Yesterday I was at the launch of a website that the association Tryggør Ruspolitik came up with something called cannabisreform.no I was with Jørnis yesterday, he was there and was so funny I'm going to cannabis reform, I've never seen anything like that But he came and made a gig, and what was fascinating to see was that his background as a narcotic opponent was communicated to us yesterday that when he was young he bought all the scaring propaganda.

He had been told that you could get a hole in your brain by using cannabis. He believed that for a long time. And I felt incredibly good again in his story. Because I grew up, I was in the gang, the first time someone in my gang smoked a joint, they were 15-16 years old, I asked them to get a tow, and they gave me the joint, and threw it on the ground and kicked it, and I said thank you later. So that was like... You talked like you wanted to, but you knew all the time that you would... I was planning to save them.

Damn, that little boy! Crazy guy. What a little boy he was so young! Insane guy, yeah. Insane young guy. Yes, but it's clear that what you have gotten from the information about it, you did it right. If you grew up in a very religious home, and brainwashed, and you can't decide for yourself what to believe in, of course you believe in that stuff. You are totally lucky if you want to go up there. It's insane to think that someone actually ends up finding out how the world actually works when you have grown up with such frames.

That is pretty incredible. It's not something wrong to have, but I was a bit more of a picky person before, to be able to believe in something and keep something up. It's like, you're crossing the line at some point. Yes, I feel that it's a bit of a limit. It must be nice to believe in a lot of things, but when you become so moralizing and expectant, and almost demanding of the environment around you, then we have to think about that. And is it a bit like the Russian propaganda? And it's not like... you don't want it to be free of anything. It's not a goal that young people and people in general should smoke as much as possible.

There is a fucking balance in everything. If you eat 20 burgers a day, you get a stomach ache. And if you smoke all the time, it's probably not really dangerous, but I can't say it's good in this case. One thing is that we know what we should do, how we should live. Most people have a certain understanding of what a healthy lifestyle is for both body, soul and head, I would say. But we also know that there are as many ways to live as there are people. And then we have to draw, maybe we have to set a limit around it, as long as you don't hurt others, or hurt others with your behavior or behavior,

then we should actually the majority. Yes, there is a lot of... We can eat a lot of burgers and processed food and just be completely... a pig on that. And we can easily do that today. We know that. You can see from the Kostol's advice and sho-high that it is absolutely not good for them, but it is completely legal.

And I know many who smoke a lot, and they use medicine for them, so it is very, very advantageous to do. It doesn't quite fit me. I have smoked a lot, come from a place where many did it, and it always becomes like this, now I really have to try and get a handicap in everyday life now I have to try and work socially and play some games in this situation it's fun, but for me it's not like there is no alternative to alcohol in the city I'm a little too bad at it, because every time I try it, I get things that come from the illegal market, it's difficult, because there are a lot of different cannabis, and you get a very different effect from it, so something fits better for me than something else. And it could have been easier, it would have been good for me to go down a bit on alcohol, and rather take a joint-union.

But to go to a coffee shop and get some expertise, you say you get almost psychotic by smoking that thing. This I did in Amsterdam once, I was with some friends who smoked with their toes, they had the most insane stuff, they are very crazy about it my arms along the wall, so I wouldn't be seen. But then I got some expertise from one of the sellers, this is legal, and I got to try something else. It was a completely different feeling. I am a bit like that, I am known as one who is active on social media, TikTok, in for ruse politics and ruse debate, so I have a... I am an employee and I am also the manager for a consumer organisation on the ruse field, which is called Normal Norway, which is a user of cannabis as our main interest group, right? And there are many people who expect me to be Mr. Cannabis, right? And I have been, and I was, at least for the last 20 years. There was a lot of smoking, and then I started vaping, and then I quit.

Because I was through something in my life and found out that Cannabis wasn't what I needed in a mini life crisis, so I quit it. And I have never really started again. Of course I have used it a few times here and there, but it's a bit like, I don't have tolerance anymore, and I can experience that I have to enjoy cannabis, and then at the next moment I am ready for anything that can happen. And my thoughts, I save my own thoughts and feelings, and it's not that fun. And then it's like, from time to time for me, the balance between the pleasant and pleasant and the laugh until it slides over into the angst is so nice, it's a half-trick difference, and it's not easy to know where the limit goes. You know what, I have done this before, and I have been in this storm so many times, and sometimes it's good to know how to do it. Yes, it is. It's totally right.

And do things that make you feel uncomfortable. I don't think it's dangerous. And as long as it's not physiologically very harmful, and as long as it's not completely Lotto, completely Russian, it's easy if you end up in a real circus or not. It's a lot of scary propaganda that you can just suddenly snap into a circus and it's Lotto, it's really bad. It's not like that. But it can be more, in a bigger way, when it's sold in the way it is. Because there is so much synthetic shit out there, and so much shit that is mixed with all kinds of shit. And that is the goal of the cannabis reform, I think, without reading it in a way. That they want to regulate the sale, so that they cut it in a very large way, at least, cut it illegally,

and that they get control of it. Yes, that's perhaps the most important argument, and perhaps the most relevant argument today, when we talk about tough politicians who are going to break the back of the gangs, and are out with tough on crime and tough on drugs rhetoric, is that we regulate the biggest difference in the opinion of organized criminals. That should be a pretty good argument. But for me personally, it is also important to get in get a variation of cannabis products out there, so that I, who like and enjoy cannabis, but who doesn't need the strongest products on the market, can also enjoy it without taking a huge chance when I'm going to do do it while it is unregulated. And everyone understands that people should not rush, and people should not stop rushing. If we had now been sitting here and rushed for what had been an alternative, and we had found a way to get it all out, use, buy, sell, all of it, the only way is a totalitarian state of the police, just suppress people, over- sell, everything. The only way is a totalitarian police state, just suppress people, over-exert them.

That's the only way to get something done with it. Yes, a good example is actually the start of... Before the pandemic, there was some border conflict between Spain and Morocco made the import of the cell to Norway from Morocco become a bit of a mess in a period. And it was like cannabis drying in Norway for a while. And then we closed the borders and the country because of the pandemic. So as a good friend of mine in Kenneth says, the country was hermetically closed.

And even then, there were people who used cannabis and other legal drugs. So it's impossible to... You can't get away with it. This zero vision is completely outdated. It's so interesting that... I promise that the Labour Party has left some thoughts on a reform, and then it didn't happen. It's only possible that there are so many votes out there. The votes they think of, they are sitting out there, and completely blind to look for information about this. They have their way up and down. If they had gotten more votes, had been preferential to them with a Russian reform, they would have done it.

They don't have the right to moralize it. Of course, I think... Don't you agree? Yes, the Russian politics, which is about legal Russian resources, engages very few voters, at the starting point, unless you are one who uses it yourself, or you are the ones who are affected. But even the affected people can get a little bit of a chill and think that here we have to have a ban, and here we have to punish to prevent more people from getting problems. But you often see that the ruse debate can be very high

if it's about reducing the curfew in the city, or raising the tax on alcohol, and close tax-free, or... Just like again, the pandemic, when in a short period, we chose to close the wine monopoly, because people were in queue and it was infectious, we had to reopen the wine monopoly. Oh, wow.

Partly because we understood that it's not good for those who have an alcohol addiction and just get access to their booze, because it can actually be fatal to have alcohol abstinence. But it was of course because the population most reacted that the authorities should get the only welfare thing they should have access to, which was wine and a little stronger things to enjoy at home. It's fun that people are drinking like piss off to get rid of something, or to feel a bit uncomfortable, and drink with both hands and judge people who use it instead, for exactly the same reason.

Because we often talk about this, that alcohol is one of the most dangerous drugs we have, and that is the only legal one. And I completely agree with that, but I also hear the critics laughing at that argument, and shooting back saying that you just want to smoke, you just want a simple shower. Just join the free one. It's just a joint in peace. But there is something, and this is not something you can feel, you know this, it's just looking at, now you have smoked a lot, people have smoked a lot, so you have a lot of research on it, quite solid research I think. What is the difference in the extent of damage to of cannabis and alcohol? It's difficult for me to get into the clinical process of these studies.

Alcohol is one of the most dangerous and is at the top of the most dangerous drugs. Where drug experts have evaluated. But they have also evaluated and defined different forms of damage, damage to the user and damage to the society. And of course that alcohol has a big social damage, a big social damage effect is because many people use alcohol. But alcohol is very harmful. You can feel how it feels.

Yes, but I don't think it's just that. One thing is that, as we talked about cannabis, it's to feel uncomfortable. I don't know if people will think that I meant that I went into a psychosis if I got too much. But you can feel your own feelings and they can be a bit too strong. And they can be a bit teary. Yes, but a bit anxious and a bit nervous, like you were talking about, right? But alcohol is like... it's actually a drug for amateur amateurs, because it just dampens. It dampens all signals and like... A drug for girls? Yes, for girls, that's what it is, right? But the danger is that the effect makes you weak, balance, stupid, everything that...

All instincts that keep us alive, the oldest ones, they just disappear. And we think we are unreasonable. – If it is abused, if you drink too much for a moderate amount, then that's not a big problem. And something that is very positive, and the reason that there is nothing to talk about and do something about the alcohol politics, is that there is damn good money in it. And that would also be if you legalize and regulate the sale of, to start with cannabis. Then you will of course not buy cannabis from the country where it is illegal to grow it in, because then you will have the same problem just outside of Norway. You will grow it yourself in a warehouse. I read a report with a guy who ran a huge warehouse in Jæren, and they talked about legalisation and that it could come in the future,

and he wasn't surprised to put it from the paprika plant to the tank. I said, I have to go into this, is he at Børs? Can I buy shares in this fucking housing complex? I think it's insane to think that the SEMTA party is against legalisation. Just think about the Norwegian farmers. What promise could we have given them? And stopped subsidising them so badly to keep them alive, if they only had a warehouse with some cannabis plants in addition to the other farm. But it's very obvious that you are the most opposed to this in the country. Especially when it comes to a wave of younger voices. I think it is a generation shift there, right?

We have not grown up with war on drugs and the subsequent decisions of this propaganda policy there. So we see the world in a different way, but can you understand those who hear this now, this release, and that they are scared. It's because they have never tried it, they don't know what it is. I understand that. I understand that. Because this is what you grew up with, and we have done it to a certain extent.

Our parents have been trolled by the scaring propaganda, that the entrance gate to hell is closing down. And it's still... I see young voices today in political camps, as the Center Party, as Christian youth, who are very skeptical and strongly advocate to stop punishing the user and advocate legalization. I understand that, because that's how we have had it.

You know, it's unknown, it's scary. Yes, but just to defend the parents, it's a smart advantage, in a big way, there are idiots everywhere, of course, but it's a smart advantage, and it's not like they're not idiots when they sit and think these things. And I think it is often more about that weed and hash is a gateway drug. Yes, but that is what you believe.

Yes, and it is. It is also. It is not like it is absolutely not. It is not the opposite. It is done quickly and put on other things, but it is, in a way, no matter what, I feel. The thing is that you have always, before you have fallen into the joint, you have been in the cigarette and alcohol. It is, I mean, show with the one who debuts, there are probably some today who debuts with cannabis, I find that they exist, but the largest number have left with other substances before they try cannabis. And then it is like, yes, someone goes on,

but the number in relation to how many try cannabis, they are so small and limited. You can't say that cannabis was the trigger factor. No, no. And then it's like, if we had legalized this and regulated the sale and the coffee shop, then it would have been a part of our culture, and then you would have seen many who debuted with cannabis. And then you would do it in a very safe and safe way. And it's better to green as they say, and smoke a little too much and then you're there. And there is no such thing as dying of an overdose of weed as they say. Than to lie in a I think many people will think that it wasn't for them. And what I'm actually really concerned about,

like the real thing, which I don't talk about that much, because it's not that good of a thing anymore, is to think about all the super heroes in the end. You know, those who are really into the weekend, those who drink with both hands on Friday, Saturday, every weekend, or often, who, when they're into alcohol, decide that now I now they should try cannabis for the first time. We will get some unfortunate episodes, I think, some that will be stale, and maybe in a nutshell, cannabis will get a reputation for being really, really dangerous.

– But that thumb is not good at all. – No, I'm just saying it. – It's not cannabis, of course. – No, I'm, I just said it. It's cannabis, of course. But I think it's going to blow up. But okay, those who are willing to drink a lot of alcohol and everything else, they will do it anyway. It's not like that, you can't take things if you want to. And then of course, in some circles, in some gangs, it's the step, because they have a lot of established environments to smoke and stuff. And you would try it, but how are we going to get that?

I've never been out on... I don't dare to go to the Alva and... And then just, we don't care. There are probably a lot of them now. It will be easier for that gang. But that gang, do you think they are so afraid of them? That they want to go on the tram? No, that's what we see. That's what we see. Early experiences from countries that have recently legalized,

is that you see an increase in use in the young adult population. Those who are old enough to buy and then up to the mid-30s in their age. And that's because these years we are in the most general situation, there is a lot of festivities, and you see an increase, but you don't see a corresponding increase in the number of psychosis cases, or people who have problematic addiction to cannabis, you don't do that. And my theory is that those who are in the risk zone are active today. Are you with me? Absolutely. And I think that when you have never been in environments where there has been smoking,

you don't want to see how the drugs affect people. I have been in gangs where we have both drunk a lot, and then there has been smoking, and then there has been one or the other. And we have never been anything unfriendly to the guys. There has not been violence or assault on the shohei. But of course we have been sitting on the bench from the back yard to the city, and have been completely unfriendly, singing and screaming, and scared the hell out of our old the old best mothers there. But I don't think there have been many of our parents who have seen when we have been on a holiday,

maybe they have been smoking a little bit, and that childish idiotic joy of playing the one-play, the joke-play, and laughing and laughing,... It's so incredibly harmless and cozy. It's interesting that you are so afraid of that. I think that more and more young people have in a way such a problem-free way of life. And it's so common that we will see a change here, it will happen sooner or later. I also think that when it becomes legal, it will be less exciting for the young people to drive with. Today it has a bit of an illegal status, it is rebellious, it is cool. When it gets damn boring and you have to buy it at the store, it's not so damn rebellious and cool to drive with it suddenly for longer, I think.

I think you actually lost little of that effect actually. Yes, and what is so crushing argument is, as many opponents forget, is that we have had prohibition policy before on alcohol. And then just see how the hell it went. It was not like people did not want alcohol. We worked with a lot of illegal sales and many were supported by this. If you look at USA, the basis for 50% of those old gangster movies is Al Capone and Joe. The mafia was born under the prohibition policy. Yes, so we are... Cannabis has never been a part of our culture, so it has never been completely legal. Or I don't know how people smoked in the fifties or something like that? Yes, yes. Yes, they did.

Yes, yes. Then they came in, because they were not grown here. So then they were imported it with the bandwagon? Yes, you were able to… The US has a history of exploiting certain groups of people, getting them into the country and doing their job to say that, to get rid of them and nothing. And that's where the name marijuana came from, because cannabis was known as something the South Americans were doing. And to create some racism, to build up some racism against others than the whites in the US, cannabis was named marijuana. Marijuana was something completely different,

but it sounded a bit dangerous and scary. And so now the marihuana has a kind of racist upheaval, which was meant to create fear around not only cannabis, but people who used cannabis. Yes, exactly. Can I ask a question that really goes beyond anything else? Because we talked about things that should be legal, we do talk about things that should be legal, right? And my sister-in-law, she is a big fan of Else, and we have watched her whole show, because she wanted to see Else get married, and they didn't show the wedding dress, so it was a bit anticlimactic. We got that. But you were a guest, and you played a game, legal or not legal.

And there the question came, pick up the bottle and eat it, or whatever it was, and then you took up the legal, and then you argued that it should be legal. And then I felt like a TV-singer, that it became a strange atmosphere. Very strange. Can you recap a little on… I say that to try to see a little also, but… Yes, but I mean it.

I mean it should be legal to pick up and eat the bottle. Again, the listeners have heard the episode with Gunnar Kjomli, which I have talked about yesterday, when we are sitting here now. And he is a very fascinating guy. He says he hasn't been diagnosed, but he is quite sure that he is an artist. But he has trained himself up to it. He works very well, he is a very cool guy, he is a different type And at the same time he has struggled very socially and been a complete moody for a while He is a good looking swinger and really...

Yes? ... like that, pulling the strings, sitting and... He says, in my world it is normal to sit down at a café and have a drink Yes, yes, yes Because in his head that's the norm That's the norm he has learned That's how he is in the world And of course, as we have learned to live, it's also very socially unacceptable

Or unsociety... what's it called? You can say that it's unacceptable to sit and smoke on Starbucks Yes, it's illegal, really It's very to sit and watch Starbucks. It's illegal. It's very illegal. It's very illegal. But it's a bit like me and many of us, to see the world, that this violent racism, when it comes to people picking up a soup, that you find on the ground, and it and get a rush that just makes you see the world differently, so you can feel the great rot, you know?

And this we have done, and this has been a very important part of Norwegian old culture. This they did with me before, yes. It was completely normal. And then over the years they have just said that it is not allowed anymore, it is not allowed. Then you can sit on the Else Talkshow and say that it should be allowed or not allowed, so of course it should be legal. Our ancestors are laughing their asses off, about the fucking farts we have become, what is this? And then people say, oh my God, and the fire just, oh you need a lawyer.

You understand how stupid it is when you put it in context. And I know very well that it will be a bad atmosphere, and what the others in the audience and around the table will think when I say it. But I have zero problem with that. I would just say that it is a big respect. But what do I risking by saying that? Nothing. No, it's good that you think that, because some think that it risks a lot. You know what? If I had a regular job, I wouldn't answer to anyone else than myself.

And I am 100% free. Yes, of course, it's possible that there are some... I know that my parents watch this, and they don't have the same opinion on this as me, but they accept that I have my own opinions. They don't want to... They can't and they don't want to go in and control who I am. They are such nice people. But it's possible that there that someone in my family or someone I know at some point, who looks at this and judges me and thinks that I am a crazy person who says that, that will be very good. I will grow up, I will get old, to worry about that. I will live when I am 35 years old, I will live maybe 35 more years,

and hopefully show some more years, some fastening and the steps on alcohol afterwards, and also start smoking good weed, so maybe we'll be at the 90's. It's not long. I don't want to sit and weigh the words, because some people think it's uncomfortable. Fuck off, it's you who have problems. That's how I see it. No problems. And then I have a whole lot of... had I had a big rush of abuse, which I was not honest about, what I have kept hidden, which I think is problematic, but I would not have dared to talk about, because then we talk, and that is a little more uncomfortable, because my parents would have suddenly found out that he was rushing all the time, he has huge problems, but I don't have that. My parents would have found out that he was always trying to get drunk. He had a lot of problems with it.

But I don't have that. I have tried things through myself. And there are many others who have that. And I have a completely relaxed attitude towards it. And I think that I am an adventurous guy. But not too adventurous either. But I want to be able to travel and see the world, experience things that are not of the kind that everyone can experience, that kind of adventure, but also adventures that involve trying things that make you feel different,

or see things in a different way, that change the channel in the brain. It's exciting, it's an inner journey journey, I think everyone should try it. It almost needs to be obligatory. And to get some help to see the world differently. It takes a lot of research. When you come back again in the use of psychedelic drugs and so on in treatment. And that was completely shut down in the 60s.

But there were really exciting results and research on it before war on drugs and before it became completely illegal. Now it's back again. It's really exciting. The reason it's used with great effect is that you can handle mental healthlessness. It often happens that you lock yourself very much. So the fact that you have been able to help open it is just brilliant. Without going into too much detail, because it could have been your separate episode dedicated to giving a complete recap, but I had a 7, 7, 8, 9 years ago, I had quite serious and went to normal psychological therapy. But I actually went to Valencia and took something called Ibogaine,

which is an extremely psychedelic root from West Africa, a root bark that they use down there in the tribe community, the Bwiti tribes, as a transition ritual from boy to man. DmT-like? Yes, not the same, but similar. You have DMT and ayahuasca in one camp, and ibogaine in another. It's a different effect, but it's a wake-up dream state. And there are many things there. It's actually classified as a drug in Norway, but there are no pharmacies that deliver it. But my point is that it was actually what made me eventually manage to stop with my self-destructive behavior. Because it gave me an insight that I knew about, but that I didn't feel.

You managed to take it in. Yes, I felt it for the first time. Can you explain in a word what it was? You know what you should do in life? Like you said, you should drink less alcohol, right? And if it happens, time will show, right? – Should you keep your workout plan? – Yes, of course But then there are some things that you just know that you should do, you should just do this. Just do this. Right? I can compare it to something else. There were some years when I just got a little lazy to brush my teeth in the evening, because it was just God-ish, right? It was a bit like a cannabis-ruse, but we don't have to say that. But it has happened, right? But suddenly it just happened.

There is a point in life where I am just like this... No, brushing your teeth, you do that tomorrow evening. And then just do it without thinking. It was that feeling. A total, a total proof that what I have been doing is not good for me, and that it is obvious to do something better for me. So it's hard to put words into it, but it was just a total, complete proof in me that I have not been able to put a lot of pills in me every single day. So we'll stop with that. Yes, I think it was very well described. I just came up with something I had thought of.

Because there are some people sitting on their high horses and judging, right? Don't do that. No, it's dangerous. It's not good. It's not good. Judging people on who they are, what they say, what they do, their words, their actions, how you are towards other people, judge them by that, and not by what you sometimes say. It's just incredible. And you have to judge what you choose to do, because everyone does their thing. Again, in this Bill Cosby,

my world fell apart. I lose trust in all people, because Bill Cosby was like, then he didn't trust anyone. Those who look good, they are probably the worst. It's no joke, Bill Cosby called around the comic,

and said, I would rather see you not banning so much on stage. Come on, you are a role model. And he did that, maybe he left his girlfriend and raped her to take her phone. And maybe then he gets a doped woman. And then he takes her phone. People have their own... So it's important to have that in mind, I think. That you shouldn't feel so ashamed, because you choose to do something that others judge you on. I think that a lot of young people today think that they are always afraid of their youth.

What will it be? And I think that's probably what we think too. What will it be? Those who are following us have this ring tone, this crazy frog. You see the adults driving us, look at the crazy frog and say, what the hell, how can it be that rule? And young people are smart. Reflected, see the world in a different way, progressive, we want to make changes, we want to take the world in a different direction. You see young people when it comes to climate activism, how we want the world to be in order as it is. That is... that is... that is good youth. And many of them have a view on Russian politics that we have to make some changes. Because this is not only about the Russian itself, but it is about something bigger.

It is about freedom. That we don't want a state to control and decide exactly what it is going to do. That's what it's about. To a large extent. That's why I think it's very interesting too. And now I think exactly where I wanted this thing to go, but it has become like this, and I just start to flap away. Yes, what I hope is that those who are young today, don't forget this when they grow up. I think especially of youth politicians, because there is a very broad unity among the youth parties, that we must stop punishing those who use bad drugs. It's almost unison with the exception of the youth center and Christian youth. And then you have legalization, all of them, with exception

of the two I mentioned, plus I think AUF is a bit skeptical about legalization. But legalization is a majority among the youth parties, and I just hope that when they grow up, and that they don't look at it like, oh, we were young and naive and thought that... No, I hope they continue to raise their voices when they get older and get to real power positions, because if that happens, we will soon get legalisation. And then we will soon get change. Get a regular sale of cannabis there, and get a good job with treatment, and use ketamine and MDMA and psychedelics in treatment, because it takes some time to be able to get on board with that this is damn good. It's very interesting. It's the beginning of the song reading. And

if you read, I have mentioned a book many times, Sacredel explorer's guide, which sounds like a manual to take up, but it's not. Yes, it looks insane. It's just research reports about very well educated people who agreed to join the 19LSD trip with the assistance, with doctors around me and with people, and then I set up tasks, and this I will solve, often related to what they, to their profession. For example, there was a Norwegian architect, Henrik Bull, was involved in it, and a lot of engineers and a lot of different people. I just, I have struggled to solve my entire career, but I will try to solve this, in the course of the next 12 hours. And when it comes to the worst, there is not much you can do. But the basic work is done.

And when you calm down, you start to push with these tasks. Many people managed to do that. And it's damn bad. We should not work with that anymore. Shut up. And open up again. Get started. Full package. Nice. And then we wait. I think many think that legalization means that everything should be done. Cola, heroin, everything for everyone.

It doesn't work that way. But we have heroin assisted treatment today, called HALB, where heroin addicts get heroin from the state authorities, which is part of their treatment, instead of buying it illegally on the street. So actually, is heroin legalized in Norway today, within some strict limits? Yes, and that is really good. Very. That's very nice. And what we know about heroin, it common among us, and I think we all know that it's not just about smoking heroin, it's a bit of complications. It does, but it's mainly about things like that, full disclaimer, I just want to try smoking opium once. I've never done that, but I actually want to do that before I die. When did we talk about that in the podcast?

I think I said that I had a podcast about being alone in a hotel room in Lithuania. And you say that you will try heroin when you get old. Not now, but when you get old. But when you get old, you get sick of it. No, you get sick of it. Do you need more resistance when you are 95? I don't know. No, but it is clear that you are at the starting point, even if they call you a feeler, you are a free person. And the reason that you abuse... You have said that you have self-sacrificed with abuse and such. Or have you misunderstood?

No, I have been dependent and it. And I have had a surplus, to put it like that. Yes, and you can have a surplus of pure joy and excitement, and think that it's nice, and you can do it. But a lot of people do it to forget, and to express some traumas, and to show off. So if you smoke opium and have it at the top, and it. And see if it's good or not. If you try it once, most people will be able to do it. It's totally fine. And you are in the right place to do it. There was a famous man, I should not say who, who told me that the guest had tried it once

in a white Vietnam or something like that. It's in such a context, right? Right from the farm. This is an old tradition to smoke opium, right? Just to taste the Russian history. Just like someone goes to Italy to taste wine right from the farm. I don't know if I should start with it, but just like that, okay, let's see how this is. Why was this locked up? Why did this war break out before? If you sit with a group of immigrants, what is it called?

Immigrants? Immigrants? Everyone has been immigrants once. We are actually immigrants. The only thing that's not true is that a tiny part of Africa was not immigrants. The rest of the world. So you sit with a gang of immigrants and get a pipe of theirs with some jazz tobacco being sent around there. And then you can sit there and just... You are a bit... You know what?

You come with the Norwegian moral... You know what? This is not okay. When I come from, it's not allowed. So I say, no, no, thanks, you can do whatever you want. But it doesn't matter. – And it seems like if you had... Total program! Oh, damn! But if you had been in that situation, and you had got a little episode with a little anxiety, you would have got zero psychological support, they would have just led you and this is a part of life, and deal with it, and it has gone fine anyway.

I have friends and acquaintances who have been in Amazonas and had a little tea cup with ayahuasca and dryg, and that is a very intense experience. And I personally fear it am very afraid of that thing. But I think that once in my life, maybe not now, I feel that I am curious, that I have it nice, and I don't feel very locked and hidden in any way. I don't think that I really need it. Because that is something you do, because you need help now. Yes, and that's why I took it in the book. And I did it twice, because I was recommended to do it twice. Why did you choose that?

I was in a documentary rabbit hole a year or two before, where I just saw all kinds of documentaries about everything. I remember I stopped myself when I saw one about poisons in the US. Then I thought, now we take a break for documentaries. But during that time... I remember I stopped myself when I saw one of the interesting documentaries about... Because the thing with Ibogaine, in Boga, is that it has a scientific backing. For example, if you are opioid addicted, so heroin addicted for example, what Iboga does when you take it,

eat it in capsules for example, in powder form, it blocks the abstinence signal from the brain to the body. So you know, if you have heroin abstinence, you get some kind of influenza-like symptoms, and it's pretty damn bad in a week's time, right? And that's what makes many people unable to go cold turkey and stop, because otherwise they become so sick that they have to have heroin again. And Iboga blocks these signals, we know that, we have known that for a long time. And Iboga makes you fall into a wakeful state of REM sleep.

You are awake but you are dreaming, and that is where the psychedelic experiences come in. You can close your eyes and a lot of things happen. So it's a wake of things happen. So you wake up in a dream state. And I was so aware that in Boga in the western world, I am known for being a kind of a stopper. It was discovered by a guy in the west who just got away completely, he was heroin addicted, and just happened to be on a trip somewhere.

And then he woke up and said, he had no abstinence, he felt healthy and didn't understand anything And it was like that... Did it have a effect on you? Yes, the thing is, and what is also interesting about Boga is that up to three months after the intake, it continued to work in your body not unlike antidepressants, which are supposed to work Why can't you a patent on themselves.

And taking a patent on a plant is not that easy, right? That's why cannabis is so important. It's not just about the Big pharma is not interested in things that they can't take a patent on themselves. And it's not easy to take a patent on a plant, right? That's why cannabis medicine is not so interesting, because everyone can offer it in a way, and then we don't get a competitive advantage. But that Iboga has such an effect, we know, and that's why it's classified as a drug in Norway, because you know it has an effect.

It's just that the use, as I said, in the West is known to be a kind of addiction, while in South Africa, no, in West Africa, it's known to be something you use. It's interesting, like a transition ritual from boy to man, as a kind of confirmation, you are sent out into the tent alone, and you have to be there for two days. Damn, that's... No, that's what I understood. Yes, and he sold his clothes to the shaman, who gave them to me the first time. Not that I'm a new age alternative crystal guy,

not at all, but he told me that in these tribes, if there is disharmony, if someone dies and someone is in deep sorrow, or if there is chalusy, and it becomes disturbing for the harmony, then we give them the books, and then they come back a few days later, and then it's okay. So it's very interesting. But it also has a very strong recognition, like you talked about the washing, I really want to try washing, but that fucking waste, the spitting you hear about, I'm not so lucky right now in life.

No, not lucky. No, a kind of And in the book, it has a pretty heavy effect on the body and the organs of the body. So there have been some examples of people who are not aware that they have, for example, a underlying heart failure or a nervous breakdown of some degree. Someone has died of taking Boga, because it has triggered a breakdown in the organs that could have been caused if it was offered in a regulated form, with a screening, a health check in advance, for example. It's fun that they use the book and say, now you have some problems, send it out to a... or wherever you go, and if you take it, it comes back and it has a huge effect.

Here in Norway, if you have a problem, we talk about it very little, but you have the opportunity to drink it up, if you want to express it. That's the only thing you can do. If you want, you can just buy a lot of booze and drink, drink, drink. That's our solution, that's our stuff. Or if you want to stop smoking, we can draw a small parallel to when your fictitious friend from the fucking flat had to be locked in the basement and go cold turkey on the rinking. It's a bit like we've treated smoking and smoking up again this year, that you have to be locked in and isolated from the environment

and then you have to get out when you are able to behave. It was 100% inspired by the experiences you have seen. You like to sweat on mattresses. It was very fun with the rinking. I love this person. He was very good. Tobias Korsmo, shout out to him. Big up.

Very good. Tobias Korsmo, shout out. Big up. Very good. And... no... How long have we been here? It's very interesting. I'm really enjoying it. Same here. Should we... it's... It's... It's something with conspiracy theories, you know.

It's almost always very close to something real and real. So that's why it's felt. That's why it has so much power on people. And this with Big Pharma, then. Undoubtedly, Big Pharma has a lot of control over us, they control a lot. How much do you think... I mean, if cannabis is legalized and if we have different drugs, psychedelic treatment, MDMA and ketamine treatment and so on. If you don't have a lot of money in that for Big Pharma, then you will have to pay a lot of other pills and substances. How much lobby work do you think is being done from them?

Your major drugs? Yes, to put it like that, in the US, a lot. A lot. And I think that... I haven't... I have fallen for some conspiracy theories in my youth. You smoke a lot. No, I smoke on a 9-11 inside job guy for a period. We've all had that. Yes, completely inside. You have to test a little bit. You have to learn a world view. You have to go into different corners. You have to test a bit more, you have to be able to judge yourself in a world game. You have to go into different corners.

I have been a Christian for a few years now, at least in some contexts. But I believe much more in the simple explanation, which is often the truth, that every activity has a goal to make money, right? And when you are on a business, it is important to generate income, it is important to create value for shareholders, right? It is the essence of capitalism and the economy. And it is clear that there is much more money in providing something, a pill for example, that you have to take every day for the rest of your life. The opposite is to find a cure. That's clear. And like ketamine treatment and other alternative treatment methods,

which ironically enough, MDMA treatment for example, which has very promising results and very few side effects. That's very interesting, isn't it? That not only the good results, but it is relatively harmless when it is administered in controlled forms. I read a story, it was a fight with a former driver who had driven with a catamaran. I don't remember what the conclusion was, if it was just a positive angle on it

The transition was very colorful, and it was a nightmare for her, this catamaran I saw that, I didn't read that thing I can't even speculate in the content, if she felt something a bit trippy and uncomfortable. Because that's what you should do. But we can also take note that it's not everything that works for everyone, right? I think that's important. Like again, when Jørnnes yesterday, when he talked about when he found out that the scourge propaganda against cannabis didn't work, he was like, what is it actually, does any of that work? And when cannabis was so dangerous, when I tried it, all my friends had to try it.

And then I almost became a kind of prophet for cannabis in the friend group. And that's how I was, because I tried ecstasy for the first time, MDMA, and was like, this must be tried by everyone, everyone must get this euphoria and feel love, and then we will end up in the war world. And that was a thought process that I think people should be very serious about, that something that works for me, it works for everyone, it's true, in any case. Very well said. And I also have to say, the same goes for the young people who listen to this, even though we are liberal on these things, it is really important to say that you can't just throw uncritically anything and think that it is okay, because you have a lot of respect for these things, you just have to say that very clearly. And every 50 plus years, at least if you are not going to wake up in any place in the world.

We are all young. Yes, yes, yes. Yes, unfortunately somewhere in the world. We are all trapped. Yes, we are all trapped. But on that day, maybe on the 50th day? Yes, it's worth it. We talked about big pharma and stuff, and we know that, for example, antibiotics, is not very much researched on that, because it takes a long time, and there's no incentive to do it, but the country and the authorities have to finance it to get some progress. It's very interesting what's happening with HIV and antibiotics. You can imagine how it's spreading.

Very exciting what's happening. Very cool. Now it's getting easier, because that's what I think. That's the scenario for the day. That we no longer have any antibiotics and we die of all infections. The solution to the biggest problems we have is, if you are a little technology-optimist, then the world is not that dark, personally. And to look at it, I think we don't have a water problem in the world, we have a salt problem, as people usually say.

I think that's well said, I don't know who is the person who is responsible for the results, but it says itself that we have water in the water. It's salt that's the problem. And if we're not there already, it's not difficult to separate salt from water. It happens with the evaporation only. And when it comes to the climate problems, I would think, what we see already is extreme and big problems with this, but I think that's also where technology solved it. And not to mention that now we see in antibiotics that AI can go in

and discover new ways of antibiotics. Because antibiotics are... That's really good, interesting. I wish I could add more. I'm going. But it's almost just a transition. It's so funny that I... I just have to say that. I just have to be honest with you. When I talk here, it sounds great. It's tough. You've really overwritten me. We've really maximized our capacity to talk about it.

Here, but not any further. Yes, but the medicine industry is like... The medicine industry is like a art museum, a trade center. It feels like a very art museum. And a word that has also become very extensive is ultra processed. But you understand the medicine big pharma. If you have seen Doapsic, you understand how real it can be. I really recommend watching the series. If then... what is it called? It's a kind of opiate? Yes, it's called opioide, because it's synthetic. Opioide.

What is it called? No, it's different, oxycodone and fentanyl, but it's oxycodone and all these oxycontin, right? And one thing that I think has also come up in the clouds, because I have a real overdose-farm, and people become addicted and die flying on the street, but benzodiazepines, like Xanax, Exanor and so on, is something that is written about a low shoe in the US. So there it is like, if you go to the doctor and say, I have had problems sleeping for two nights in a row, and then you get a good recipe for Xanax, which is a Benzo, extremely dependent. And this is a good business for the US, because they don't have the same health care system as we do. Yes, and it's allowed in the US to advertise for medicines. They do. It's TV commercials that first present how your life can be changed.

There were actually lyrics that are a bit, what can I call it, a a burdened drug-environment, both here and there in the country. So Lyrica is a bit of a after-sales, because Lyrica... I don't know what it actually treats, because it's a medicine in itself, but it strengthens the effect of other drugs and drugs. – A booster? – Yes, if you take it, and then it lasts a few days as well. It boosts the effect of other types of drugs – It's nice to have you in the band – Very nice, it's like trimming the moped, to say it like that, suddenly you can go over 50, but there was a very jovial, nice ad for Lyryka and how that solved all the problems for a family member. And in the end, it's like an endless parody of it.

Then the disclaimer comes with all the dangers, and then they spoil the voice. It talks so fast about all potential fatal incidents that can occur. It's completely South Park. I have, as I said, a real list of things. It was interesting, I just thought I would write down what we are going through here. But now things are happening on this front, now we have talked about it. But we have known that this is not good. It has come that those who have developed these apps have said that they would never let their children be close to them.

It is said that most tech giants don't let the kids have smartphones or these apps. But still we have let our kids do it, and they will get hurt and they will need a lot of soap to wash their problems off. That's a bit ironic. That's why we have to legalize it. That was a very funny point, but it's often... Yes, but we live in a time of peace. It's a bit like... When I grew up we got a little I am old enough to remember TV again, there was a period when there was nothing on TV, you just saw the colorful circle that showed different colored specters.

That's finished for today. Yes, and I remember sitting there on Saturday morning and waiting for the clock to count down until the children's TV started. I sat there and enjoyed nothing, right? Yes, yes, yes. I remember sitting there on Saturday morning and waiting for the clock to count down until the children's TV started. I was there and was looking forward to nothing, right? I have realized that we are exposed to this addiction, but just think if I had access to the Internet when I was 9 or 10 years years. Oh, damn! That's the difference. I have also been very exposed to screens, and there have been Cartoon Network and stuff after school.

There has been Nintendo 64, and there has been Donkey Kong and GoldenEye and the fucking things. FM, Football Manager, something so damn much. So of course, a lot of screens. I don't feel hurt today. I feel that I am curious and reflected and all that.

So I haven't hurt myself badly. But the social media thing, that you get comments, are valued, are bullied, are exposed, are scared of how you are perceived, because you are valued and perceived day and night. That is what is hurtful. It is very hurtful. And not only that, but you can sit on an app, Instagram, Facebook. Now Instagram has actually come with a function where you scroll down your feed, and you get news that there are no more updates. It's completely useful.

But on TikTok you can sit endlessly scrolling and scrolling and scrolling. And it almost becomes a game machine that never ends. Do you think there are some people, maybe we are biased, that there are people around the world who are scrolling and never end, and they are found after several days you scroll through them, with the charger in your phone, and just... a complete psychosis, tic-tock psychosis. You know what? Yes, of course they exist.

Of course they exist. Yes, yes, of course. What a type of China, just like crazy. I feel all those cases, We often hear about it. Of course. There are three or four cases in the S.W.Speak, as we have found. But seriously, I think I have some stage fright in both of my hands, because I scroll so much and hold my phone. My hand's rest position is in a grip position, where the iPhone fits. That's my baseline for my hand now. That's not good. I scroll a little bit, but it gets less and less.

I think I manage to get away from that thing. I've been thrown out of Facebook before I got hacked, so I won't get in again. And that's a good thing. I don't want to start new users. They can just forget that. But you're out of Facebook, but on Instagram? Yes. Okay, so you have… both are meters now.

Yes, but it didn't fit. And it's interesting because... There was probably a bot, I guess, that hacked into... Yes, because you were hacked. It wasn't a ban. Facebook was hacked, and they set up a... I mean, they connected my Facebook

to a fake Instagram account, actually. And that Instagram account started to make bullshit and bullshit immediately. What did it do? I don't know, but it's a swindle and stuff. And then, based on that activity, my Facebook account was blocked. But it wasn't connected to my Instagram account.

It was connected to another Instagram account. So I still have my Instagram account. But it's very strange, because it's owned by the same company, I am potentially in danger of having the same thing happen with my income. And I use it very importantly in my job. I use it to inform about shows and new podcasts. So what could potentially happen there is disgusting. You become so dependent on something, and then they have so much power that lawyers themselves can't go in and they are too big.

They take all the books. They are much bigger than states. I am very active on Twitter. I often get a message from Twitter that now there was a suspicion of a log-in attempt from Taiwan and another week from the US. But I don't think they have managed to hack me yet. So I think I will leave it out there, but it is so interesting. How it works. It is easy to program, a that is active, hacking all kinds of accounts, just trying to do that continuously, all the time.

And what are they like... I don't know, it's been interesting to free up a lot of time and just become really good at it, and learn. I often think that things should be understood properly. But there are so many different things, so where should we start? Yes, but there is a lot of money in cybercrime, so it could be something to think about. Quickly, you have diabetes, type 1, do you take metformin? No. Type 2? I don't know that, I'm not so familiar with medicine for type 2.

I take insulin, that's what I lack in my body. So it takes me to meals and a couple of pieces in my lungs, both in the morning and in the evening, with long-term effects of insulin in addition. Metformin is a medicine that is... it is a regulation of blood sugar in a way, and incredibly good effects with or without diabetes. And there was a professor at the Blinders, I heard from the medical school, who said that the metformin should be in drinking water, because it's part of the longevity thing, right? So you have something like that, you have NMN. Yes, I've been through that. I think I have a little nicotine-amide-box with me in my bag.

I started on it once. And there have been very divided opinions. This is NMN, it's a molecule, and you have the precursor to this, NR. And there are too many places, and it's actually B vitamins. But you have to take so damn big doses. And the scientists who work with this don't agree. Is it best to take NR instead of NMN? So there are a lot that are re-established. There are very few of those supplements that will help to make you younger or not.

I never reverse the judgment. There are a lot that are re-established on the scientific front. But for me, I feel that what goes through is the most like this has a huge effect. I will talk to my doctor about it. You can get it on white recipe, I think. And I don't know if it helps for you, but just check it out if it could be for you. And when the professor said that you should have it in drinking water. That's interesting. I am very into that. I have called myself an amateur biohacker. So I have been into a lot of things.

And in a period I often take different things. You haven't heard of it before? Yes, but I haven't been so into medicine. More like diet food. with your own food, more like a cost-effect, like red beet powder, and... Are you more like a food-eating variant? But the only thing I get so honest and even with is the Omega-fetishy, that's good. Yes, I take it myself. And that's what my doctor has said. What can you say, say on the table, and say this should be taken in addition to good health care?

It's omega-3, maybe you can think of it as an effect. I'm very careful with that too. But I talked to a friend about these things, he is also very interested, and we are very agree that one can not think that… the most important things are sleep, training, eat healthy, do not stress, have good relationships, these are the most important things. If you fail at all these things and do nothing, to get more money, then it doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. I have... I think...

Should we try to round it off? What do you think will happen next year when it comes to the Russian and cannabis reform? Where are we? No, we are in the middle of it now, and we have crashed. I would say that there has been a notification of a ignition in the engine, and the doors are closed. That's a bit where we are with this government. A quick recap, we had a proposal for a police reform that was voted down by the Labour Party, and the Labour Party and the central party's penal

After the police reform fell, it was said that the police have used illegal force against the use of illegal force, and that they must stop using it. And now in As We Speak, the government is trying to legalize illegal drugs, such as blood tests, urine tests, cleaning of cars and homes, if you suspect that you have used cannabis, for example. So we are quite shocked, and it's a bit paradoxical to think that Germany, the biggest economy in Europe now legalizes cannabis, while we in Norway now try to reverse the fundamental human rights of our consumers. So I don't have big hopes. But I hope, to give a glimpse of hope, I hope that parties that are pro-criminalization and pro-legalization will get power at the next big thing, next year. But if it happens, we'll see. I have associated myself a bit on the left side, and of course you can vote for another Labour Party.

I wonder what they think. Because I think I can talk to a lot of young people, those who come up, that if you don't change course, you're so fucked up. As it is now, I can say, high up, and there are many with me, I will never in my life vote for the Labour Party we see now. A lousy party. Do they have any issues that they are burning for? Like, this, here we take a chance,

and you know what, this is what we mean actually. Now we measure a bit here. It's just, it's so empty words and it's so damn… It's a transparent party. Very. Selfish. Very. But that's it, they have lost their soul.

Now you have ministers who go out and say that people should stop being ungrateful and lazy and have come to work. It's like, hello, is it Sylvie Listøy who writes your party program? The Labour Party has completely lost itself, and I am actually very worried about that party. Yes, and what they also do, they destroy, they run the whole left side in the ditch. And I think the Labour Party right side works in many ways, but I am of course worried about those who push it out to the right. But in Norway we are pretty much in the front when it comes to it.

We have FRP and that is pretty harmless in relation to other... But there is a party that should be pro-my body, my choice. They are for you in all other contexts. They get that people should smoke as much as they want, they get alcohol sales at gas stations, and you should be able to buy a beer while filling gas in your car, or rather your diesel car. But then with cannabis, it's so damn dangerous, that Lisztøy wants to punish us. Be about your voices. There are many who, in the same way we talked about earlier,

there are many there as well, that wouldn't have been good for the voters. For the voters. It would have been negative for the voters. Oh, okay. This has been a great film. I think so too. Great. It's nice to be called. Same. I'm about the same age as you.

36 and something. About the same age. Some of you are friends in Bergen. Where in Bergen are you from? From my place, Nattla is in some places, but Bergen is so small, you know, that you have been to all the cities and most of the time in the city centre. That's great. Thanks for the talk. This one, Vildo Slitbus, will be... I don't know, it's the 200th anniversary of the year is coming next week. But it's not something that is super-actual. It will be 201. It will be 201.

Yes, but that's nice. Isn't that nice? Yes, yes, yes. It's nice. Okay, thanks for using your damn ears to listen to this and have a great day. Talk to you later. Bye! Stakkes, hej!