Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Fred Wolf

Episode Date: November 22, 2023

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Hey guys, it's Spadley Spadoodle here and just want to give you a heads up on the podcast. We have Fred Wolf today in Old Buddy Vars and just wanted to say that some of these are recorded ahead of time, often years. So if we have Michael Jackson on, he's talking about the Thriller album coming out, that was pre-recorded. So, if you hear that one. But, no, but you know, Dana's obviously going through something semi-unimaginable right now, and I can't even put it into words. So, you know, and Dana's one of my best buds,

and it's hard to watch this and his kid, Dexas. What a great kid. I don't want to get in all that. I'll let Dana talk at some point about it. I just want to say that this was already recorded. And for the rest of this year, we have, we pre-recorded a few and then we're going to do a few best of. But you've got some great ones coming up, including the unbelievable Dan Acroid that we did

right before. That was last week, it was great. Danny Acroid is one of my favorites of all time and he got to sit in person with us. Anyway, and of course, the Dana really, really appreciates the outpouring from every possible angle of people. I mean, just the amount I got, just to relate, relate to him and everyone, I think understands how difficult and whatever. It's already been talked about.

Okay, so let's have some fun, and I know it's almost impossible, but we had a good time with Fred. I don't want this to reflect on Fred. He's a great guy. And please have a good time with this one. Fred is an old buddy. A road Tommy boy. Ready to get your money working harder? Switch to Quest Trade. Can it is number one rated online broker by money sense? Not only does Questrade have built-in research tools, their customer support team can even teach you how to use them. Like smart score by tip ranks, which helps you identify whether to buy, hold, or sell,

so you can trade with confidence. Switch today and get up to $50 worth of free trades. Visit questrade.com and use the promo code Quest Conditions Apply. David, who's our guest this week? is at Questery.com and use the promo code quest conditions apply. David, who's our guest this week? Dana Fred Wolf. Fred Wolf. Fred Wolf. Freddie Wolf is a old dear friend of mine that's stand up.

I think he got me, he when he tried to get me out of the improv and San Diego, maybe or he always tried to get me on because he thought it was funny when he saw me at Fini bones in Arizona. So I always owed him for that. He was always cheerleader for me. Co-wrote stuff with me. Tiki Roberts, Joder, was it one point? Tommy Boy. Head writer of Sarah Nightlock. Yeah, he wrote Black. Tommy Boy. he's a, what's with Anna Ferris? House Bunny, he directed House Bunny. Rider, director. And we got to sit with him, I've known him forever. And very funny, very inside stories about all the above.

He knew Farley well, he knew everybody. He was there. Sandler, all of us. Yeah. And so we cracked up and I think you're gonna like them and you're gonna like to hear what he has to say. Here he is, Fred Wolfe. Fred Wolfe.

I actually wasn't gonna let that. There is a threatened, like when friendships kind of run over where it's like I don't respect the process because you guys are so cool and my friends forever, but then you guys are steaming mad. I totally get it. I think that's the best way to do it. I don't respect the process because you guys are so cool and my friends forever, but then you guys are steaming mad. I tell you get it.

I think this is my first time, by the way, ever using Zoom with a microphone and your buds, I shouldn't say that probably right now. I should send more professional. No, what people like. No, no, we've had issues with everybody. I won't even mention the guess we've had that were inept. So you're a winner because sometimes it's been 20 minutes, 25 with Wi-Fi issues and stuff. You're just saying that.

No, I have no time. I was going to lead off with Wi-Fi issues. That was your first question. With Fred Wolf, I go Wi-Fi issues. That's the first 20 minutes. Do you think it was overloading it? Because I've run out of top. You already ran out. This is our 700th episode today. And I'm running out of topics. I have everybody's talking about the show. And I'm supposed to say something like that.

I know, but it's actually the truth. Everybody. And there's a loose. Thank you. All these friends. Good to hear. Well, it's really true though. I'm not one of them.

And I've been at the Montana area and also the Carmel area. They're talking about I hope. That's right. So we're covering it. It's a doos state area. Also through Idaho. All through there too.

Oh, we're covering that too. Yeah, the Tri-Cities. Dana goes up there and burns $100 bills every year for a couple of weeks. I just look out at Montana Freeman. I go to the cabins, I talk them down, and I go, no, this is a reset's not happening yet. So, you know, the great reset, you know,

why would you have a job when a guy opens jars of pickles on Instagram, he's doing seven figures large. Dude, they were gonna do a large, you know. Deal pickle, we're gonna open it. Oh, that's YouTube. Yes, David. Dana, they were gonna do a large deal pickle. We're gonna open it. Oh, that's YouTube. Yes, David. Dana, did you know that there's a girl?

Now, you know about only fans, I think you and Fred do, but there's a girl that starts in a jar. Heather, do you know this? She farts in a jar and she makes about a hundred grand a year and she sells it. Yeah. I was about to say, she farts in a jar. That's not the funny thing.

That's not the crazy part. That's easy, but she sells it and she has a big market. And now I don't want to say this part, it's gross, but she's selling boob sweat. I'm like, where do you go from farts in a jar? Boob sweat, I guess, right, directly across. My only question is what's the weird part of this story? And I look back and then behind me, he's got 100 jars.

I go, Dana, what's in there? Is there like the jars are inside the house? That means Dana collects them. All right, I gotta, let's ask Fred about SNL. Well, let me just say one thing really quick is I was doing that, sorry, I'm trying to, I'm so damn excited, but I was doing that health money, I didn't need health money and COVID and those guys came in and they said, you guys see this, this is a crazy video, we've ever seen and I go, I'm tough, I can trying to, I'm so damn excited, but I was doing the health money, I didn't even have the money, and COVID and those guys came in and they said,

you guys see this, this is a crazy video. We've ever seen and I go, I'm tough. I can see it. They go, no, you're gonna throw up. I've been throwing up for any reason since that's five years old. And so I watch it and it's two girls in a cup. I don't know if you guys know this one. It's like the sickest crazy thing ever. Do I want to know it?

Oh, do you know it? Okay. Can you? Well, if you know it, can you, you can't unknow it? Yeah. That's one of those things. Yeah. All right. It sounds like Davey, Davey, you know what it is. Yeah. Okay. So the thing is, is it maybe sick, maybe ill, maybe depressed for mankind, just really ill. Well, what will it do to our body explaining? My partner you had during watching it. Huge honor, which is great, because I never

get to two, but I did. So I'm watching that. I'm like sick. I'm like, yeah, I'm in my 30s, look like 20s. And meanwhile, my daughter's 12-year-old friends have all seen it on their net. They've all watched it. But half the class of a class of 20 have seen that thing at that young age tell me that's not so sad. Oh, we're just going this nation. The only part of stories bullshit is you didn't look 20 when you were 30. There's no way. Oh shit. They're the youngest guy really in the business. Actually you two guys are really the youngest looking guys in the business. You always have them and that's that's no bullshit. Uh, Dana. Okay, the first time I saw Dana was at the last stop in No Poor Beach and he killed and I go, Oh, he looks young. That's the thing. Maybe the

Mattis and the young for his age. Well, but I was young. Yeah. You were, but you look young in your 20s. Yeah, but you look like you're in your teens. Yeah. And then Davey, I saw him in Phoenix first time, I was probably a fifth time on stage young and I thought okay, I hate them already Yeah, but then they turned out to be kind of funny Fred. Did we meet that night or you just saw me? We talked I so you just said I think about five minutes or something like that. Yeah at Finneybones Oh, yeah, and then I We waited for you to come out stage and there's like a little green room there. I go, hey, Dave's made good sense.

And all that's nice. Yeah, you're funny, you know, all that sort of stuff. And then I took a shot and I go, man, I think you really got some. I think you really got a future in this caveat. Are you serious about it? And you said, yeah. And so I called the San Diego improv,

our buddy Mark Anderson, then. Oh, you got me in there. Yeah, I said, hey, there's this kid. There's this kid. Easy, easy young pup. I was like 19. And then you went there. Jesus out of the blocks fast. But so were you doing a right? So, by the way, I had sent me a photo of the Zoolomontana. It's I was up there like four months. Just got back where I was born. Yeah. And I always send your photos. So, you know, once every couple of weeks I send you a photo, and I always expect you to say,

oh, that's the corner of such and such, but you never have them. So I'm not that involved. I know where the big dipper is in the M on the mountain from his university of Montana. The dipper is the ice cream place, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, parents went to school there,

brother went to school there, dot, dot, dot, dot, loom. I know where the big dipper is in the sky, kind of. So what was really, no, Fred, parents went to school there, brother went to school there, dot, dot, dot, dot, loom. I know where the big dip is in the sky, kind of. So what was really, no Fred, go back. So you see Spade, he's 19. He looks like a fetus with shoes. He's like really young looking. Did he always have kind of a voice? Because you're the first person

who just randomly said to me in conversation. And Davey's always had that voice. Spade has a very cool, distinct voice. I still haven't learned it, but tell me come back for season two, I will have mastered it. I just do the sound effect, David Winning does it. He doesn't do very much. But did he have a voice then,

or did his voice kind of rich in, as he got it, or did he still have the kind of what this timber he has. It's very potent at 19. Well, by the way, I love those words and those are good words. Seriously, the timber and all that stuff. I, you know, Hollywood never knew what to call it. They call it it, you know, when someone has it. And I think that's part of the package. When there's a voice and there's a cadence or something that's naturally can't teach it. And yes, that was the thing that it stood out because it's jokes were awful. You know how they are Dana, right? Come on. Right. He writes on his charm.

As time goes. The material is terrible. It's so cute. He's so cute. He thinks they're funny. But no, and then he did Tom Petty and all that stuff. And that killed him. Oh, the Tom Petty. Yes. Yeah. I don't want to let this down. The world. and that killed the audience. All the Tom Petty. Yes.

Yeah. I don't want to understand the world. And David was never sweaty. He was always cool on his heels a little bit. Very true. I love on his heels. That's another good term. Yeah.

I'm Irish, so I got all these cloak. He looks preshians, but he was always kind of cool and always made it look effortless. So that was interesting. What's I at Dick when you first met me was I cocky back there. No way. No, so this is the true. It's hard to say like,

compliments to people on their face, on their show, where of course you'd say positive stuff, but I'm, we deal with it. Oh, okay. I just mean, I look like such a good ass, but it's so true is like, no, at the last stop, I was a house MC, not twice a week at the GoDenter so true is like no, at the last stop, I was a house MC, not twice a week at the go down there.

It's like an hour drive down from LA, but we want to stage time. And then Dana, you were on stage four reals to just fucking blew the roof off. Isn't it sane? You need a chopper broccoli and that stuff. Broccoli was there always. It keeps appearing that fucking chopping broccoli. That fucking thing we get. That I'm telling

you it's moved to the top of the resume because everyone remembers chopping even if it's a throwaway in the middle of your eye. By the way Fred I've never seen it not kill. I'm not joking even if he's doing five guess spot anything Kimmel always cry. Boom. We'll see. We'll see. There was one. Yeah. I had broccoli. Chop up broccoli. And then, first of all, you're nice, but I do want to jump ahead to Dana and always killing her. I open for him one time.

I mean, I've opened for him a few times. And I remember one time up in the adventure, I was, I think, and Dana, I, I destroyed. I blew the roof off. I really did. And I don't usually. Yes. I remember that. And then I, I remember you had a great set. Yeah, I had a good set and in my I swear to God

I would never ever think oh that guy can fall in me like a like an asshole But I was thinking boy, I wonder if they know it's gonna have a tough time And I feel bad for him because he said come on and do some time But the last was so long you went on there and I swear to God was like twice my set It was like fucking from like first ten seconds First of all, they have to see you. And secondly, everything you said was like pure destruction. And I thought, this is insane.

I better get back into stand, I'm getting into. Maybe. That's the message. I am. I was driving the other day and I said, you know what, I should take a master class in road rage. I should just teach it. I'll talk to my master class.

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You can always go to davidspade.com to look at my tour dates because I bless a lot of cities in America with my hilarious standup act, or you could not go to it and get on my enemy list. Up to you. So let's talk about your journey. We do like the time better so. No, back to David Fred. No.

But Dana Fred started, he had a very interesting beginning. You were already on the show. You met him. I had met him and knew him a little better than you. I think Rob and I think I threw his name to Downey. I think Rob maybe, maybe Sandler. Was that correct Fred so far? Yeah, you could take it from there.

Yeah, I was kind of lucky that I did a club in Sacramento. And the club across town, Rob Schneider was there and he came out to see my set and did 25 minutes or so and then after we were talking and this is way before any of us kind of clicked and you just said oh you're funny you're funny and then years later I knew you I knew Adam and you guys got on the show and Dana was the king of the of the world there. And you guys said, Hey, he might want to write on the show. It might be good to have you out here. It might be fun. And so this was this is going to sound like a huge like this Fred Wolf show here. But I will say it has the Fred Wolf show. I don't know. I guess I'm so careful not the

warning on you guys is glory here. But, but I wrote a sketch and I'd never written one before. I'd written jokes and all that kind of stuff, but a sketch was new to me and so I was watching it show and I go, oh okay, this is like my sketch. So I wrote one out. This is actually the long journey of this and Dave kind of does the story, but is I wrote it and I thought, hey, I think this is pretty good to sketch here. It was called the Mr. Belvedere fan club, you know. And so I sent it out to Davey and Adam and Rob and they got it to Jim Downey, you know. And I heard about this Jim Downey. Oh, Jim Downey. He was the answer to a jet pretty question a couple months ago, by the way. Yeah. And I knew the answer right away. And I should have gone on the show. I would have won. It was Fred Wolfe have a crush on?

You're like, it's key. Jim Downey. Yeah. You're absolutely saying that. You got to kind of play hard to get it. I'm like, Koi around Jim. No. So I sent it out to Jim and, uh, and then he read it and he said, uh, apparently he said, he

didn't really talk to me. He said, yeah, okay, let's have him come out and do a two weeks a guest shot. It was like a, some sort set up they had read something. S and L does where they bring you out for two weeks. They bring a writer and just see if they have any a tryout. Yeah, a tryout. Yeah.

And I guess it's just to kind of get to know, you know, who you are and so forth, but they like to sketch enough to bring me out. So they did they flew me out. And then so I said, oh, okay, they write sketches. They do not read through on Wednesday. Okay, I see you have a write one of those up. I go, man, how do I do this really fast?

Oh, I wonder if I could put the Mr. Bill in your sketch in. And so Jim Downey said, yes, like the third word he ever said to me in his life, yeah, go ahead. So as five years. And so I go, okay, so I sign thought was the host, my first time out. And I kind of knew him. So I went up to him and I said, hey, I might put the sketch in this is it. He read it.

Stand there. I'm standing over with him. He's the real silent didn't laugh out of ones. And then he gets down. He says, as not my thing, man, well too dark. I'll read it the table for you on, but I won't want this on this show. In my heart was like, like just jumped on my throat on the floor and it'd pick up my heart and like devastated that he didn't like it and also I wasn't going to have a sketch on in there even in the read through itself. By the way, so you know what you were smart you didn't put it in read through with a stink on it like that. Thank you. Thanks for saying that, Davey, I swear because I was it actually I probably asked you I probably asked you like what should I do here or whatever but I I was my inclination to is to not sort of give away something else

if we're gonna be any left. So, I held it back. And then the next week, almost feels providential, is Tom Hanks was the host. I had never met him, of course. He looked at me like it was. Most enthusiastic host in history. Like literally, right?

Tom Hanks. Like, something's wrong with him almost. Yeah, he's actually nice to me. Like the lowest man in total, he actually, right? Tom Hanks. Like something's wrong with him almost. Yeah. He's actually nice to me. Like the lowest man in total, yeah, she called me by my first name. He thought my first name was dumbass, but whatever. So I, he read it and he said, oh, I, I guess funny.

It was funny. Let's see how it goes at the, at the read through. So we did. And it crushed. Like it blew the roof off. And Dana, you're used to killing. I get it. And Davey, you've killed this. I have you're used to killing I get it and Davey you've killed this

I have a message kind of thing and what a rush It was like I probably the best rush of laughs, you know, could you just quickly give us just for our college listeners Like what do me mr. Bill of it air like was that based on the TV show and what was the gist of that sketch? Just so I because I don't remember but I remember the name of the sketch. I don't remember exact. I might have been gone. Was I? No, you were gone. Yeah, you were gone because I'm felt hosted once when I was there. So it must have been his second time. Okay. Yeah, that sounds right. So was it just yeah, so there was a TV show called the Mr. Mr. Belveter. I think yeah, and and he was, he plays like a nanny. And the thrust to the premise of this sketch was that he had a fan club

and they were all bad, she crazy, you know, the, yeah, anyway, how's, how's it going on this show? Fine. You're going to say anything. He was sort of a heavy set innocuous show that wasn't a huge hit, but it was sort of middle of the road. It that was part of the fun. Yeah, right? That he wasn't a huge hit, but it was sort of middle of the road. That was part of the finance, right? That he wasn't some kind of corny and sweet.

Yeah. Yeah. It was like Mr. Belding or something, you know what I mean? Not even his partner. Yeah. And his fans were bachelors crazy. They're really crazy. And days right, they over someone that no one really as much attention to, but they would have, and Tom Hanks would moderate the fan club

and they would do exercises like, okay, next up, you know, we have to figure out, if we ever see Mr. Belvedere in real life, how do we act around him? I see, okay. And they all talk until the end to you, okay? We do not go crazy. We do not try to like cut his hair off save his hair for the best of our lives and and it was, you know, it was pretty funny. It was a little dark because, you know, one of the things was Phil Hartman saying, I will not try to tear the flesh where the flesh.

be born into new worlds where his flesh becomes my tea. It's like dark and nuts and crazy. And I thought, okay, just make it a few laughs. It just blew the roof off, which again, the rush of that, you know, we've all done. Who are the fan freaks that you just have robbed in there or Sandler? Who are the fan freaks besides Phil? It was a full cast sketch, which apparently everyone said.

That's great. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody was in it. And because you have, you have an A team of really funny people. So I guess everybody probably crushed on there when it was their turn. Yeah, everyone a question or an answer and they get to go score one line or whatever. It's great. Right. And sometimes they'll put up with it too. You know, like the giant stars like they know those, they might not want to do one line, but this was sort of funny. So like for you, I would have. Thank you. See? See, I used to pull. Yeah. And it was a full sketch. And then they, it was, you're right, they all got this sort of hit a little bit. Farley had something

funny to do. And then that sort of fire, they all make it funnier. What's that? Farley's nickname was sure fire. Fire. Yeah. Well, you just had a gear and had a thing he did that like you can't, you will find a voice or a movement. Just when they go, when Simon was a teacher and we were on the classroom dumb, and he goes, uh, you know, I'm going to ask you one question. And Farley sticks his hand up and he goes, and it's sticks his hand up, and he goes, and it's not, you know, can you go to the bathroom,

and then he slowly pulls his hand down. Like, but he doesn't, he doesn't, these three jerky movements, where you're like, all you have to do is put your hand down, but he doesn't such a weird way that he gets a huge laugh, and you go, goddamn. That's kind of what I'm talking about. It's like the thing that people have,

where you can't teach it. There's not what you can say, oh, when you put your hand down. No, there's some same. He's like, it's just a set process. Yeah. It just is natural. He made it look like a guy just having fun, but he was extremely bright about that and very clever

with the use of his body. I remember Mike Myers saying once in a second, he could just destroy with his character for like a half hour. And then Chris would just kind of lower his chin or do something with his body and it was just game over. The entire thing was so true. And then Chris would just kind of lower his chin or do something with his body and it was just game over The Destroyed his like I'll redo like his the maybe a skipper from Gilligan's island Well, whatever his move not to go back to Farley, but

You know Fred you I don't want it. I don't want to not talk about Miss Belvedi But I've been first of all Hank's is very cool for having a sort of dark sketch and wanting to do it because he could have killed it. But even though it did well, sometimes they go, ah, it's not for me, but that he's cool that way. And the sketch killed on the air. I wanted to say when you did, there was two farly ones you did.

I think you wrote polar bear maybe, and then you wrote falls in the ice hole. What was, yeah, yeah, little women, little women. That was it. I was in that. I think it was me and David I appears maybe or maybe it was. It was. David I appears. Yeah, it was him. Not me. I thought he was me. And that's, but it was all like everyone's acting all who if you do

if you're from little women in Farley's. If Farley starts out that way, right? And you're you're plum pudding. It's ever so scumptious. That's for a talk and as soon as he falls to the ice he's like whoa. Pull me out of here. You fucking whore. Yeah you bitch. What are you looking at? Stop with your. Oh yeah. Remember that. See that's yeah that's a great use of far. He can yell. If he could swear it would be a whole

nether dimension because his voice when it's booming like yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Max and Graham were giving us they were all making funny because booming like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Max and Graham were giving me this. They were all making fun of you because every sketch that would write in Farley yelling. All caps. Yeah. You know, Max and Graham sent me this little graph and it said like, Fred Wolf writing for us now. And then like these three gauges, one Farley star. And then the one gauge set on a lap, soft voice, medium voice, screaming, and the dial set on screaming. Yeah. And the second voice, slightly wet soaking wet screaming.

And even when far, even when it's the audience knows Fred wrote a ton of movies it, I was in also like Tommy Boy and Blacksheep Dickie Roberts. Oh, yeah, looks like. Make sure that it's a fairly enough. Sometimes he would yell and you'd put it in all caps. I'm like, Fred, do we need to bother typing in all caps here? I think he falls down the hill for three minutes or eight minutes and goes, I he screaming. It's like, don't worry.

He'll take care of that part. I he that was one of you. Yeah. I eat 18 eyes. Five. As if he doesn't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I eat 18 eyes. Five years. I actually, I do actually want to say something about that too, but should I just do the, I just wanted to kind of say the finale of Belvedere because I want to say how, how, yeah. Yeah. Well, I want to lose right?

Well, that's sure. That's like your first born or something. And that is a huge deal. A huge deal. A huge deal. A huge deal. A huge deal. I know. That's like your first born or something. That is a huge dealer sketch on. That's no, that's like the confidence of that. It was, yeah, it was pretty cool. And by the way, I love talking about father. So here I'm saying, like, oh, no, still my way here, this show here, but I just want to finish up the bill. We'll get, we'll get to more Chris in the movies you did with Chris and David. Yeah. Yeah. But

I'm going to belvedere state of mind. Now here I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out.

I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out.

I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be out. Brands out guy can't do Dennis enough love love is attitude care the character of Dennis as well So what happened with Belvedere before you so again, so we do the Belvedere and then the musical guests don't worry This goes wrong. This goes hardly wrong. So let me puff myself up for a second. I did not want a happy ending. Thank God Go ahead. Oh, yes, yes, I know

Sweating is he actually got a sea something happy? But no, so it was, British Spring Seam was a musical guest and I realized a dude, I had three posters on my wall, every word of darkness and edge of town, all that. And there he was, he's out there, while they're doing, while Hanks and them are doing my sketch. And he's out there,

and I don't know, should I watch my sketch, which is the cool things that were happening in my life, or should I watch Spring Seam, like just pretending to warm up his guitar, because he's standing there getting ready to do the song. And I go, I'm going for spring scene. But he's watching him. In the dark there, you know, they have lights off. Oh, on the music while he's getting ready, but he's in the dark. Exactly. Not the full focus. Yeah, straight. Exactly. Exactly. That is tuner. Yeah. But I'm staring at him and he's laughing. I see him laughing.

I'm like, there's no way he's laughing at his guitar string. He just did something funny. And it turns out that maybe he was laughing the sketch. I'll tell you. So the sketch goes on and it does, it does well. It does. Crazy. It blows it real fast.

It did really well. It was really good. And then after, Hanks came up to me and you said it was great and all that sort of stuff. And it was like, I'd love Giuliani came up to me. Dana, who's the LSD guy from San Francisco? Timothy Leary. Timothy Leary. Larry was there.

What a cavalcade. Yeah, it was like characters. Yeah. I asked Dana. Dana knows San Francisco. That's the only reason I asked. I'm young. I don't know. Plus he does everything.

So, yeah, so he came with me and there's all the funny sketch, funny sketch. And then Springsteen came walking up. And I'm like, what the fuck is happening here? What the hell? He's coming closer. He's coming to meet what? And he goes, hey, that sketch is really funny.

He told me he wrote it. That's not a good Springsteen at all, by the way. And I go, I'll do a pinch hit there. And I'm with me. They told me that's get sure it was funny. They told me you were. That's it. That's it. All right.

So then you're a little more. You're a little bit grumpy old man. I was a little too. So actually, you're sketch. You're sketch skills. Like a friend. Okay. We met.

I said, actually, you and I met Bruce Oh boy back to the Hollywood Y and C.A. and he goes oh yeah, that used to be my spot and he was listening Wait, so you on the other side of that glory hall? I was in the side of the Marley meet face to face I used to follow you in the bench press Or when you used to tell me you'd see him at the Y honestly back He was he got into weights to heavily.

Yeah. Yeah. He did. He said that he told me, my friend Bruce, he told me that working out for three and a half hours of lifting weights and stuff was nothing compared to a concert. He said, after a concert, he was wrung out like crazy. So I kind of believed them because anything you say, I was just told him, I think that's true. I think that's true. Yeah.

By the way, he told me that he goes, I can't believe it. It made me take my picture for the YMCA ID. And like he was not offended. That's hysterical. Yeah, right. But he said, people should know who I am probably in my hands thinking, who the hell are you? Take your picture.

Well, I can't. No, but so he said it was good. And he said nice. And he started talking. And then like everyone's class around me. and then Jim Donney walked by and said, good sketch young man. Those are the four words he said there. And I was walking on air and I thought, like, oh, suddenly I'm like, I'm like, go around. Cool. You know, all right.

So this is my request. I just want to go backwards for like three seconds. Because I, if I was listening to something like,, oh Fred Wolf, he was in the clubs. Then he knew David and Rob, and now we wrote this sketch. But if you could just, you have some just great one liners or very short things you've done, you have in your standup. Kind of, can you just give us,

unless you can't remember, like three classic, because I think it would set the table for why, as a stand-up, Fred was really strong, but then as a writer, it was even stronger, because you had great stuff. It's hard to write great jokes. David, do you have one?

Of a Fred-born classic. I know. I needed it. Here's one. Do you remember this little number? So this club is great. They're so nice of me. They actually sent a limo to pick me up. There's a really big limo.

I had a barn. It was a gay bar, but still. It's just a good joke. Even. Those are hard. Is that close to what it was? It was a very good, yeah. Of course, it's funny when you guys say it.

Okay, here's another one. I went to the dentist and the guy was, I have to extract your teeth, your back muller. So I'm gonna have to have them in a cut of four inch hole on your cheek and then I'm gonna pry it open and then I'm gonna dig in there and get it and he goes, can I just open my mouth and he goes, well, I know the first way it works.

I didn't know. See, those are very skilled. Those are very skilled. Those are short, too. They're like, boom, boom. You could open with those, too. You woke up with a spider and you're like, That's a very skilled, very skilled. Those are short, too. They're like, boom, boom, you could open with those two.

You woke up with a spider in your bed. On your foot. I woke up with a spider in my bed. I was like, man, I'm also really been drunk last night. I slept with my pillow over my head and woke up next morning. All my teeth were gone. It was a $10 bill there.

That's a teeth. I went on in Montana. I just sat there a month ago or so, missing a tooth, my bottom tooth, every tooth joke destroyed because it was connected to you missing the bottom tooth. You pointed that out. I was wondering that. Anyway, so that's why you were able to become a great writer because you had some great writing, training, and stand up. And stand up is the ultimate you can't you can't play around. You either get a laugh or you don't. It's very painful when you don't get a laugh.

And you can read a joke packet. You can read two jokes and go, he's got some game. You know, it's it's very, you can tell very quickly if something is clicking. And I'm sure we, we probably read Mr. Belvedere first, me and Rob, and just in our minimal experience there, I thought, this is at least good enough to go to the next level, or we would have stopped you there and said, do you have anything else? You know what I mean? It was great.

So give it a downy, because that's a big thing to give it a downy. Get one swing. He doesn't like it. You're not going to get another one read, probably. That's right. And you guys were nice to talk about that. And what was the sad part about the end of a... Well, so it did great.

And I fully expect there to be more to the story, usually in my life, and I'm not like a sad tech. I'm just saying, it doesn't come easy a lot of times because of low self-esteem and so forth. So I was walking on air. And I thought, this is like the coolest thing. I think I've ever experienced, you know, of this nature. And then thought, this is like the coolest thing I think I've ever experienced, you know, of the nature. And then I everyone was saying, Oh, you're going to come back. As a

guest writer, that was great. No guest writer has ever gotten a sketch on supposedly at that point. And this was top of the show's sketch and did well and people seemed to like it. And so I thought, okay, and this was towards the end of that season. And so the next season would start like over the summer and pass and so forth. And once it you're hired, you're hired. There's no way. This is so great. There's going to be so fun having you out there. And then September rolls around and nothing like crinic. Not that even by September, you should know. I know people's are like, you were going back in Sandler and, uh, a couple, you know, they were saying like, yeah, we're heading out when you're coming out. Wow. Guys were so nice about it, but we all assumed.

And so when you assume, when you make an ask of you and me, but I called Kenny A. Mon, who I've gotten to know. Hey, David. Hey David. Hey David. The producer, SNL kind of great guy. Care of everything. Did you, when Jim Dunning was on the show, did Dave do his impression of Jim Dunning

by any chance? I don't remember mine. Oh my God, it was so great because Danny, I said, Jim, you got to see Dave do you? I'm going to hit him like that. Oh, I know. He's worried. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know.

I go, no, no, it's how you close your office door and turn to walk away. That's what it is. With the keys and the, yeah, yeah, physical and he looks back. I remember that with the keys, with the keys and all that. And then around, reach for the keys and looking around like he's going. He's trying to hide in that office. And the one foot is pigeon to it. The one foot slightly pigeon to it.

You got a whole thing. And even down, he loved it. He actually said he liked it. So, so anyway, so I called Kenny A. among the producer, right? Because I said, wow, am I coming out? And he goes, oh, no, for them not bringing it back. I go, oh, oh, really? I like you have to ask, you're like, are we still dating? He's like, I don't know what? Yeah, I feel just for a second. But for a can I ask you a question? So Belvedere is on like in February, March, or was it toward the end of the season?

It was I think it was like the third to last show. Yeah. And so in the final shows, you didn't get anything on then or what what happened in the post Belvedere shows. Actually, thanks. Thanks for asking because they did bring me back for another two weeks. Yes. And then I wrote a sketch that almost made it to dress, but they said something like hold it. This is good, but hold it. Don't let's not fiddle with it so much. That's actually part of the story a little bit. But so thank you for asking. And thanks for setting it up. That's true. So, yeah, so came on. I, when I talked to him later, when I got to know him, I said, yeah, you're kind of brutal on the phone there. And he goes,

I had to rip the bandaid off, man. I've had to do that call some many times. It's really, really rough. Jesus. To say no, that's awful. That's awful. We hate you. Not kind of stuff.

He's the messenger. He's the messenger. So as anyone would stay if they were telling this story to a 10 year old, and then what happened? Exactly. So when he said that, I had the phone. And at this point, I had bought my mother's house for her. She was losing her house up there in Montana, a log cabin's for her.

And so I had no cash at all. So my girlfriend at the time, now my wife, she said, why don't you move in with me to help pay the bills and the less stuff. And I did. And I kind of thought I was going to be working there. So I didn't really have a job and so forth. So I started, you know, we're not in the start doing stand-up and I was really bummed out, but a week later, I said, there's two days ago here, it's the top of the top of the top and there I was for a second. I could kind of just give up to stand up and just sort of, you know, open a dry cleaner when there's some, or maybe I'll keep trying

to write sketches. And this is where Davey and Rob and Adam and those guys came in and, uh, yeah, or giving me encouragement and stuff and I read in their sketch and say, Hey, what about this one? But then about half a year of the season that I was not back at, I got a call from Rob Schneider between dress and air. He said, we just did the sketch that you wrote when you were here as a guest writer. It was called stoop rankouts. And I had a lot of fun at the time. I had a lot of fun at the time. I had a lot of fun at the time. I had a lot of fun at the time. I had a lot of fun at the time. I had a lot of fun at the time. I had a lot of fun at the time. I had a lot of fun at the time.

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I had a lot of fun at the time. I had a lot of fun at the time. I had a lot of fun at the time. I had a lot of fun at the time. I had a lot of fun at the time. and they were two guys that walk. It was insane. It was so cool. The premise was it was Pesci and Adam Sandler, I think on the steps and everyone walking by, they would have some insult to say. It's like New York City. I grew up in New York City. Making fun of them when they walked by. Yeah, hey, such and such a cold. They went through such and such back.

It was based on my New York City experiences and they became, so in that sketch that I had written before I knew Peshaw would ever do it or anything like that, I had written that one of the guys walking by that got in the salt and said, you guys are assholes. And one of these days a real rain's gonna come and wash all the scum off the streets and you're gonna be a scum.

And that line is directly from Taxi Driver, my favorite movie of all time. So I was a sketch from Taxi Driver, my favorite movie, Voltaugh. So I was sketching there it is, and it's in with Pesci, and who's out there to, does that shut the fuck up? As fucking crazy. It's not, it's like, there's seven billion people on this planet, the two people that did that line. They wrote, oh my God, it was Cortesian,

D'Anero, what the fuck? That's awesome. That's a prank. That's a chills. But by the way, Bill Hader, oh, we've heard from a couple of guests that taxi driver is there. That's their movie.

Their first love. So it's interesting you bring it up as well, but to have D'Anero say the line in your sketch when Kenny said you weren't coming back and then Schneider calls you probably sounds like this. You're never going to believe what just happened. I'm sorry. And let me finish. Don't talk over me. May spring. Spring's being called me. I'm just doing that. I think this is Fred's. I think they're

losing. They're using Fred's. They know. So Jim and Hillary calls that there's a flying elephant. Yeah. You're like, and then Bruce Prinks, he put me to shoulders again and sang for he's a Jolly Good fellow. I'm like, no one really confirmed that part. Well, that was over by the, he made it. They made, I made my fingers. I move a little bit and I asked Fred, what chord is this? And he says, no, he, he said, seven minor. No, Fred found out later that Bruce Springsteen's guitar string did say something funny to him and that's what he was saying. Hey, everyone now knows why I hung on you guys his co-tales. Oh my god. Not all so that's a Cinderella story. So then you wait, what do you get called in for that one? Do you get called like hey, we're doing right and you get me hired?

Well, so that's the good part is I almost didn't care at this point because those guys did my lines, but no, again, silence, no, no, nothing. And Rob is the only one that told me it ever happened. And so it didn't make a show. It got cut for a lot of reasons. Time. What? It didn't make the show with the neuro doing a cameo. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think there's other. I think there's reasons.

How did they botch it? It God has a plan. So, you know, let's do this thing. Let him do this thing. Don't insult God. Yeah. Yeah. Why are you mad at God?

Yeah. You've got a lot of them. Bobby. But in Marty. In, by the way, Rob is so great. So the fact that he called and said a last words. And he was kind of. Hey, you're cut. And he goes, I gotta go. I gotta go. We're going to air. So by the time, you probably do great. So the fact that he called and said a last words, and he was kind of like, Hey, you're cut.

And he goes, I gotta go, I gotta go, we're going to air. So by the time he probably knew it was cut, he didn't tell me. So anyway, that was like about midway through the next season or I wasn't there and I go, man, that gives me hope though. That's that they actually, you know, remember me? And I was talking to Davey, like Dave, we talked like at least twice a week and it gave me all the skinny and stuff and what's going on.

We're all really, really good friends. We haven't seen each other since the pandemic, just so the audience knows. We're all very, we've worked together extensively and we'll get to that. That's right. And yes, and my two idols, actually, there's five of you guys. And you're three Beatles on the line. I'm guessing the other three ready. Oh, okay. Okay.

Or should I not say it? Maybe not. Is that okay? Yeah, because you'll have to say someone isn't and that'll make you feel right. That's true. But if Dana and I made the two out of five, that's good. If that's true. I said I said the five on stage from a Joder to and I felt so stupid because whatever.

Um, uh, yeah. So, so how do you get permanently higher on S.L. as a writer? This is the plot is thickening now. Okay. Well, thanks. So you can't get it with those two. It's like, does anyone have a home? So I, I did start thinking like, okay, it's what's up here.

And so this was kind of for me. Yeah, exactly. I'm so good. Why don't you jump two for two? Yeah, that's right. Kind of. And Springsteen called Lauren. Yes, I don't know if there's anything there. I have some that kids get some much weird. I'm bringing springsteen said I know you need him in New York, but I need him on the other side that glory hole in L.A.

Glory hole. Everyone's No, glory name is suspended. No, smart list did 20 minutes on it. As I was like, holy tomatoes. I'm a little bit of a prude, but I don't mind fucking swear words. Yeah, we can. So Fred, how'd you get a hire on this fucker?

Okay, sorry, so here we go. Shit, sorry, I'm in trouble now. So they still, real sounds I had never really talked to Jim Danny was out there. Like, you know, he's a man. He's the guy. Brilliant writer. Yes, he's incredible. And smart as hell. So I figured, okay, he doesn't want to talk to somebody dumb because, you know, how that could work. Yeah. Water finds his own level. You didn't want to find my level. So I started kind of thinking, okay, there might be an opening here, though.

So then I started writing sketches and started sending them to Downey. And I'll never know if you read them or not, but I kind of got a little bit of hope and I was working and I still wasn't able to get a job just to kind of, you know, I did stand up as a worth, but still broken all that sort of stuff. And then about four months passed,

and the next season is gonna, is gonna start happening in about a month or so. And this is like so hard to believe what I'm gonna tell you guys, and it's like a huge brag, I can't help it. I love this. In one day, seven, what's that?? Oh, brother. Okay. I am again, it's providential. And some way is I got in one day, seven hour period, I got three phone calls. One, the first one was

Chevy Chase called me on the phone. Chavie Chase, he had a new show talk show. And he wanted to know if I wanted to be a writer. And I said, yes, sir and he wanted to know if I wanted to be a writer. And I said, yes, sir, I do. And so I hung up the phone, going, I got a job, it's with Chubby Chase, and I realized that guy. Then the phone rang about two hours later,

and it was Smigel saying, do you want to come right on the Conan Brand show? They were just starting that show, late night. Smigel's been champed, oh my God, he couldn't believe it. And I go, oh, damn, I'm working for Chubby Chase. And my God, he can't believe it. And I go, Oh, damn, I'm working for Chevy Chase. And my god, I can't believe you called me. Then two hours later, Jim Downey called me. All in one day, all of a sudden I appeared down he called down. We were thinking about bringing you out to work my son alive. I was writer. And I said, Oh my god, I haven't

I want you so bad. I said, yes Chevy Chase and down he actually on his and got out of calculator. He said and told me what I would make on the show and all this for stuff. And he's like, I think you might be better off out here in terms of the. Wow. You know, so he was actually trying to talk me into it. I'm like, what the fuck happened here? But because I said yes to the almighty Chevy, I did that show. And I did that for about 11 weeks. And then I got canceled. And the next day, literally the next day, it's not, I got an airplane, I flew out there,

and I got to the second lap. Okay, one last thing to wrap up, okay, so. So you blow off Conan? Yeah, okay. Yeah. I mean, Conan and Smigel is a great combo to say no, but you, one day before you would have, of course, dove at that.

Yeah. And to be fair, I didn't know Conan that well, so I didn't know if he was going to like some stuff. But Smigel was like, yeah, he was at that. Well, you had an SNL, you know, that's, that's the thing, you know, two brilliant guys. Conan was, he was beginning his superstar career at that point. Yeah. And so it's just to kind of put the little cap

on the end of it. So I flew out there and I was so excited. Of course, I was there in the hero of my current life. And in my first week, I will say this, my first week, oh, the show had already started too, because it took me was on for 11 weeks, like I said. And the show started in my first week there, like everyone was going,

I ain't like, welcome back, welcome back. And there's new writers there and all sorts of stuff. And the first show was, I forget who those was, but I put sketches in and there were 20 page sketches and all sorts of stuff. And the first show was, I forget who those was, but I put the sketches in and there were 20 page sketches and those are bad, 20 pages. It ate it so hard, it got no less the first sketch. And then Lauren came to the second sketch in the pile of 45 sketches and he's,

we're moving on and he put my sketch in the back of the file. Oh, oh, oh, and people were not looking at me after the David talk to me. Rod talk to me. Adam talked to me. So was the bad boys who are still there? There was still farly Sandler space. Yes.

And they all talk to me. A lot of people didn't talk to me because they thought, oh, this is a guy that they flew out. This is a guy they were talking about. So they it ate it and tanked and all that stuff. And then the next week, luckily, and just to finish the story, I put in something for a,

Christian Slater, and got on the show, and it did great, and everything was fine. Was it dysfunctional family feud? No, but man, is that funny? Damn, it was funny, yeah. Yeah, no, it was, yeah, it was, I mean, what, I'm photographs to world, so I'd be like, how about it, it was just fun,

and there I was, and I was super happy. And I met you guys. The Remember Fred, we wrote the heroine's story. Was that me and you? Yeah, yeah. Where all the, all the windows are taped up with the aluminum foil and everyone's on heroin. Every time someone opens the door to come in,

they'll, hey, come on. And that's where you had in there. It's written in there. You had, uh, we need more cowbell. They were writing a song. But everyone guys were, they were writing a song at the store. And, uh, and you're, you're a line. I remember saying, uh, one guy says, we need more cowbell.

There's no way that Pharaoh heard that. But oh my, you said it first. We need more cowbell. There's no way that Pharaoh heard that. But you said it first. We need more cowbell. I always remember that. Interesting. I'm going to get will on the line here as we can. That's passion too. Yeah. No, he wasn't there then. So you didn't hear that. But you had a great run. And I think Fred, we, Chris Rock left then Adam and Chris left and then I I left and I think you stayed a year and you were bumped to head writer. Yeah, that was really cool. So yes, that's exactly how it happened. So at a few years there and we you and I did a few movies and so forth and so this is actually kind of funny. So I was can I have a question? Yes, sir, about those few years.

So I was, uh, can I have a question? Yes, sir, about those few years. Hmm. So did you, uh, you became adaptive to the show you learned, you like, oh, this is the kind of sketch that works on this show. I mean, you must add a huge learning curve to become head writer, because then you have to manage people. I mean, all of a sudden, your head writer from having a rough time getting on the show, I was at like a three year period where you must have really mastered the show.

They don't make anyone head right here. That's a big deal. That's nice. You say that. And I will say to Pat Malmbeck, yes, I kind of stared really hard at every sketch and just said, I wonder how this will go. I wonder what Danny would think of this. I wonder how this, why did that get this book?

I mean, why is this, why did this click and so forth? And it was a very fun thing to do. It's like one of the only things I actually can do, okay, which is sort of analyze something and say, okay, this, it's funny because Dave and I have talked about this before in Tommy Boy, the scene that blew the roof off in front of test audiences was a deer waking up in the car and trash in the car.

And the audience, they just went nuts when they saw that. And then when Farley is putting on Davies jacket, Fakai, a little coat, test audience, they go, ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But then like 20 years later, you ask people about Tommy Boy and they'll say, Fakai, a little coat. That's what like lives on. Yeah, so they remember the most throwaway jokes.

They have to see it so many times and then it changes of what's their favorite. Yeah, yeah. And plus also there's gut laughter and then there's that thinking laughter and it's just those like a jack candy sketch for instance, it just has that just beautiful thoughts in there. And this you might not laugh out like crazy, but there's just something about them that stay with you. And I would study those. I would study Dana. Dana, I would study when Dana did Tom Brokeoff, for instance, one of the funniest things I've heard just. Dana, I would study, when Dana did Tom Brokeoff, for instance, one of the funniest things I've ever heard,

just the voice, the cadence, and why would they get it left? So, what else do in Tom Brokeoff? Me doing Tom Brokeoff? Nothing, zero. And so, there was just something about it, and I would study that. I had Davey's voice in my head, where we have the same sort of background,

same, almost same number of brothers. Now, Dave's got two brothers, I had three. But, and we're both from a certain type of background, almost the same number of brothers. Now, Dave's got two brothers, I had three. But, and we're both from a certain type of background, I kind of knew his thought process, I knew why it was funny, because he has that voice, that cadence and so forth. But I wouldn't know, like Adam Sandler, I'd say, okay, what is it about him?

Why is he special? What is it going on there? What's happening? And you start saying, okay, I could tailor it towards that, tailor it towards this, or I could do something a little bit out of the ordinary and it's the one show I think that we're on TV at that time that just had something interesting going on where it wasn't as Lauren say we're not doing Carol Burnett, he would say love that show, but we're doing something where it might be a little bit odd here and there. The five to one piece remember we'd call those

doing something where it might be a little bit odd here and there. The five to one piece, remember we'd call those. At the end of the show, it could be, it would be a gamble piece that might not work. Right. And it would be a soft quiet piece or whatever, but they'd take a chance on. They'd split out there. And some people would love those pieces. They had the cold following. So, so yeah, Dana, it turns your question. Yeah, there was okay. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, you're're writing by the way down you saw he's Said he didn't like bits that played to the we call the Yahoo's or the people Not really a laugh But so then just because this is you and David like so you go go down the movies, like, you know, obviously Tommy boy, you punched

up, right? Yeah. And wrote a lot on that. And then you guys did sequels, you did Joe dirt. So why don't you guys talk for a bit. I'm just going to, I'm just going to listen. Oh, but Dana, you were such a big part of all this stuff. You know, we all wanted to make Dana laugh. One thing I wanted, Lauren wanted Jim Downey to do a pass on Timeboy.

And Downey said to Lauren that he would do it if I would do it because it'd be fun or whatever and they wanted Downey to flat LA and do it. So I did it with him for about three or four days and then I knew the director of Peace Sequel. It was before David, it was a giant part of this whole thing. But so, yeah, so that happened about season three, Dave, or something, I don't know. I forget what you were that happened, but we were writing that.

And I think, because I was such a great experience and a lot of wild stuff and David, Chris, Flam, back and forth. Toronto, I think we are in the trenches. All of us together, these guys work much harder than I did, of course, all that flying back and forth. You guys, so actually there was a friend of mine and that, and they listened to the show, like religiously, and they said, can you talk about when you're on the show, what the week is like it, so now this is the perfect opportunity to do it, is on Monday, we sort of beat the

host and we all sit in the arms of this and watch out for them. Then on Tuesday and Wednesday, we write like crazy Monday night, two right sketches and on Wednesdays, it was a read through. And they read about 40 sketches and they picked the ones are going to show and then Thursday and Friday, the bill of sets and they get ready for dress rehearsal on Saturday. And Dave and Chris were flying back and forth. They would be there.

I think you would eat the host on Monday, right? Then fly out Monday night, somehow. No, we would shoot Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, come in for a read through. A read through on Wednesday. We go back that night. You would fly out that night after read through. And where were you flying to?

Were you shooting in Canada? Toronto. Toronto. Toronto. And you're shooting Tommy Boy and going in and out. Yeah, and then we shoot Thursday and come back Friday morning and rehearse and do the show Saturday and then leave after the show. Yeah, the block.

If Farley wanted to go to the rap party, we'd have to wait. But we're shooting Sunday morning at seven. So I go, and we skip the rap party. No. You said if Farley was his, he was speaking softly. No. Yeah, my dial was set incorrectly. It's got to be screaming and wet.

But so you did you guys film on Sunday then or just loop? Oh, wow. That's that's seen with Rob Lowe. We're in like a mish up. You know, we're they're making cars and Rob Lowe gets hit in the balls and I don't want to give the whole movie away. Roblo and then I think Accroyd's in it. It's the only day we could all be there and we could rent this place and we shot 24 hours who've never done that.

We just kept shooting because we didn't have it done. So we went all the way into Monday and then we just, you know, that was a beating. But it was, it obviously worked out. We'd call Fred if he didn't fly up with us and say, what about this? We're thinking of like, is it a clip on, you know, this was a beating. But it obviously worked out, we'd call Fred if he didn't fly up with us and say, what about this? We're thinking of like, is it a clip on? You know, this will throw away jokes, we're putting everything and I'll let you finish.

But it all worked out, thank God. And that's why we tried to do black sheep to follow on some. I got married and I, while we were writing the thing, trying to get it ready, I got married and we went on honeymoon and on the plane, I followed the guys giving the directions, the flight attendants giving the directions. So I called Dave as soon as we landed and I go, hey, what are you guys doing on the airplane? And you're giving flight directions. And Dave said, oh, yeah, what about what about what about the

singing superstar? The singing superstar and they're changing the radio channel. And we're like, I'm like, oh my god, this is so pretty great. And so I'd type it in on my honeymoon. And my wife got really mad at things she really did. She was supposed to be on honeymoon. I go back off. So you go turn into a money moon. And it was like it was the best.

It was writing like, so I don't know how to lie stuff. So one of the cool things is Lauren started like knowing my name a little bit. It was nice. Fred. Yeah. Oh, good, go. Y' a little bit. It was nice. Fred. Yeah. Oh, good, good.

We all did it. That's that's Fred's. I pointed to it. I never done Lauren Michaels starting an outboard motor. No, he's in a little motor. He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, he's started.

He's driving it. Yeah, yeah. You know, he's pulling the cord on the ebb and root. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, He's all of our dad in a way. Right? Because I had no dad. But we'd walk through Beverly Hills of one night. So Austin Powers opened that weekend. I went and saw it Friday. The night it opened at the Chinese theater. And then he and I were walking on Saturday. And we're walking and all of a sudden he goes, I hear, but I'm doing dinner, of course. I hear that Mike is doing me in the movie.

And I go, oh, I just saw that maybe for and he was like a dented gold allure like there was no like nothing nothing but learn and I'm going like, what was he? I he, I he, I he, I really did you have to name a doctor fucking evil, but yeah, I can see from But yeah. Yeah. It's true. Yeah. I could see from Lauren's perspective. Yeah. Yeah. However, I think Lauren, for what I understand, he loves it.

Of course, he's talking about it. And yeah, there was a lot of James Bond villains in there. Yes. Lauren is a great character. And he has a great rhythm and an incredible intellect. So fun, fun voice to do. He was going to be my drunk parents. I had him all lined up.

He was going to do it. He was going to do it. He said, yes, he would. And he was like, well, I'll go and I both call and he was going to do it. And I wanted him in. It's so bad. But we had to change the schedule. We had to snow it or whatever.

Anyway, so, by the way, when we walked through Beverly Hills for about a couple of years, when I first started walking, Lauren had walked down the middle of the sidewalk and I'd be walking like over the roots, the tree roots, all the popular, you know, just ducking branches and throwing them. And I'm good with French kings. Yeah, and trees are violent. And I started knowing maybe I was rising a little bit when I started walking. I got a little inch of the sidewalk. I'd take my little part of the concrete.

But he basically, we were walking and he talked about what it would be like to be a head rider. And Jim Donney at this point was looking to cut back on his hours and work with Norm on stuff. And we get to a corner where Nate now is, and he just turns me over. So, I was wondering if you wanted to be the head writer. And I cannot believe I said this first. I can't believe that that happened.

Went from like nothing to that. And then for some reason, I came out on a month ago, sure, if you'd make me a future player. And he said done. Like that. It was all one sentence. He said, dad, dad. He said, who the fuck are you?

To ask me or tell me anything? Then he picked you up and carried you. I want to, that's like a movie thing. I want to do that at some point. Someone asked me about negotiation. I'll just say done. Done. I know, done's a great one.

I just won't work. Done. No, no, no, no, don't talk anymore. It's done. It's just so, it's very lorny, brilliant. Done means done. So you barely got on the show. Now you write Tommy Boy and then you're the head writer.

This is the 90s, late 90s. Your crew is taking off. Do you get kind of a big ego? Are you kind of, I'm just kidding. You're very self-deprecating the whole way through, right? I think with super low self-esteem what I got to is like normal. No, I'm joking. I was very proud of it. I was very proud of hard. I worked it, do it. I was proud I didn't give up. But, no, I was always sure that something's going to happen. They're going to pull the rug out.

Someone's going to find out what a fraud I am. So I don't know if I had time to be. Luckily they haven't yet. Not yet. Yeah, but then you went black sheep. Then he went, we did a Dickey Roberts. That's us two together writing and then we did Joe Dirt. And then you went and then he directed House Bunny, which was a big one, you know, that was a great one.

House Bunny was a hit. There's a blast. You know, one of the things about house bunny, which I get to say is, on a Ferris, has that certain thing we were talking about and Emma Stone, there's that something where when they come in, like when Emma came into addition for that part in house bunny,

where I'm gonna sound like I think I'm a genius, I'm not, I'm just saying this is a one thing. I'm pretty good at it is when she left the room, she had read for one part and I told Heather, Heather Perry, I said that she could, any part she wants in the movie, that she was 18 years old when she came in. There was just something about her.

I wanna tell you guys, this has to do with you guys. And Dana, you were the king at this point. So like, literally the king. Like when you got SNL, everyone, all the comics in LA were talking about it. Everybody, because you were mostly based in San Francisco, so you weren't around the LA scene as much, but we all knew you and everyone would talk about you.

So it sounds like you're being left out of this, you're not, you were huge, and everyone wanted to be Dana Carter, but I was working in the first TV show I ever got, it was called Two Hip for TV, and it was on NBC daytime. And Brandon Tartekoff, I don't know why, but he came to my office and said,

you're a stamp comedian, right? And I go, yeah, I really find jokes when you're in. And he said, could you tell us the names of some comedians that might be good to host the show? And I said, sure, of course. And so I took that weekend and this was really interesting to me is that I made a list of like all my friends. This is a chance to get somebody to work. And what year is this? 88. And so I made this list and I remember,

like I've friends and I would say like Dave knows some of these guys like I would say Tim Rose. Oh, funny guy, but maybe when it's show time or whatever, nothing I shouldn't say the names. guy, but maybe when show up on time or whatever, nothing I shouldn't say the names, but and I kind of went through all my names and the ones, here's the five that I settled on that I thought had what it takes, they were totally unknown at this time, had what it takes, had the certain something had it in the charisma, would show up on time, not how she cans, not how to talk to executives, and would know how to memorize the stuff that we have to do with have our show comedy. And the five names, and they were completely, and I love this buildup. Yeah, it was Rob Schneider, David Spade, Adam Sandler, Colin Quinn, and George Clooney. Holy shit. Those are the five. Oh, wow. And Colin Quinn got it.

Holy shit. Those are the five. Wow. And Colin Quinn got it. They, he got the host. They blew off Clooney. And Sam learned. Yeah. I think if I remember Dave and Rob auditioned for it together for some reason. Yeah, we did stuff together back then.

I mean, they would bring us in together. Um, and I think who got it? Ahmed Zappa, Deweezel Zappa. Yes, it was Colin Quinn and Ahmed Zappa. Good memory. Dang. Dang. So it was furious. You should have been actually there was one guy of a voodoo doll. I remember there was one guy I want to say the same. I thought I'll put him on the list. And then when I talked to him about it, he didn't seem that excited. And I thought, oh, he's not going to even show up for the edition maybe. So I kind of crossed his name off. But and that guy was, I was cleanest with nobody.

All kidding aside, those are the five names. And there's just that certain something. And so house money was sort of a cakewalk because on ahead that something. Just a little arithmetic because you're good with numbers. Like that that that cadre that that five, if you had to just right now on a quiz show, what is the net worth of those five individuals in 2022? Is it?

Seven hundred million? Nine hundred million or one billion. So, Dana, when he was doing House Bunny, Fred, when you were doing House Bunny, remember, I did a, I knew a house bunny, I don't know if I read it, but you were like, it's five women and they're all funny and I just done something with Rihanna and she was so new. And I said, you know who's got that certain,

this girl's unreal, she's gorgeous, she's talented. It might be too late because she's singing and I don't know what she's doing, but I don't know how I ran into her. And then you said, yeah, let's bring her in. And I think you did literally bring her in and talk to her. Yeah. And then she was going on tour.

Yes, that's right. She couldn't do it. And she would've been great. It was really early in Rihanna's career. Yeah, because anytime, anytime that's like you brought up a name like that, obviously all hands on deck. But yes, she came in and met and it was really cool.

And she was great. And she would've been great in the movie. Oh my God, it would've been unbelievable. But I was, there was this guy named Mike Sanborn and he's a really good guy. He's a, he's a, ex-special forces FBI now. And he's like a, like a hot shot, you know, and he actually mentored my daughter, my daughter in the FBI just started through you. So I'm super psyched.

Your daughter is in the FBI. And she just started. Yeah, training, training. How psyched. Your daughter is in the FBI? Yeah, she just started the training. Yeah, training. How do I learn to see? That's a news flash. Wow. And you, my Molly, you know, of course. I thought we could say about dance.

I thought it was a sweet sweet little. And now she's like, two daughters, great. I'm not going to play games. I want answers and I want them now. I mean, I said to me, oh, no, she's not. I'm going to put you on a no fly list. But anyway, so she's mad. I'm going gonna put you on a no fly list. But anyway, she's mad. Yeah, yeah. That's funny. But Sam Warren is like super tough guy. And I always think like like what are you?

Who are you that you're a special force that you die for your country that you would do all this for stuff? Meanwhile, he tells me like stupid little jokes in Tommy Boy and like I'm like I can't believe he knows the movie like I'm like laughing at jokes. He's usually laughing at Dave's stuff, but it's a it's just like it doesn't make sense to me. This whole laughter thing. Dana, when you know, there's so many stories, so many stories. But anyway, sorry, sorry.

So how's money was a kick walk? Sorry, because Anna was is Anna was a star. She's got such a great charisma about her. She's funny, she's likable. She was, that was like the perfect movie for her. It's, yes, it was. And Emma Stone just had that sort of, actually the entire cast just had that little something.

There's a lot of people in the cast. Yeah, yeah. And what about Dirty Work? I want to hear about that before we got to go. Oh, so let me do it. Let me tell you about Norm really quick. So dirty work, it's from Norma, I'll never know exactly how I helped,

but maybe it did. So Norm was also a friend. And so I was outside in the office waiting to meet Lauren for the first time to be a guest writer. And I've sent her for two hours, and I remember Chris Rock came to send me the phone. People say, you're not going to wait for a long time. You're sending her for two hours.

They say, I don't wanna leave, man, I'm gonna show them, I'm my own man. No, you will not get the job. There's a problem. Yeah. And so, everything is like an army movie or something. You say seen in private, go ahead. And so I was in the other area,

and there's all these people always outside of lunch on the phone. There's maybe 40 people there at least 50. I hear one saying we saw this guy in the Normalton last night performing at the Ryze Star, the catch Ryze Star. And I hear that and I call over and go, oh, are you talking about Normalton? And they go, yeah, we saw last night. I think he might audition for the show and I go, oh, are you talking about Norma Tullum? And they go, yeah, we saw him last night. I think he might audition for the show. And I go, oh, it was funny. And he was really funny. I go, oh, you want to see his act?

So yeah, I stood up and did like about maybe four or five minutes of Norm's act. Well, you know, and destroyed. Blew the roof off. And Lauren stuck his head out of his office. What's going on? What's going on? What's, come on. I want to say these doing an orbiddle, these doing an orbiddle.

Do you remember one of the lines of probably wouldn't, right? You remember one of the lines you said? Oh, the normal game show. What's the, it's me, Bob. Oh, I know, I put you on the spot. I got one, David. I got one, David. Yeah, he goes, he goes, I saw it.

What's the one where he goes, I saw a homeless guy with a dog on the corner. Yeah, he goes, he goes, I said, with the one he goes, I saw almost guy with a dog on the corner laying out and he goes, this dog must be thinking, this is the longest fucking walk. Yeah, I was walking over. I got one too now. My, uh, is, uh, some people say, uh, I'm an optimist area. And I got an optimist, uh, and there's a pessimist. You know, the pessimist looks at the glass and says, uh, no, no, an optimist looks at the glass and, uh, and I know a pessimist looks at the glass and says, no, no, an optimist looks at the glass and I don't know. A pessimist looks at the glass and

says the glass is half empty. I'm a pessimist. I look at that glass and I say it's half full, but I think I might have bowel cancer. Okay. Here's my I don't remember that one. That's a great one. I like norms. Um, he'd take a figure speech, colloquialism, whatever, and just turn it. You know, they say like a, they say like a penny saved is like a penny earned, right? That's a, that's like a hundred percent return, right? That's, that's too much.

Isn't it? I mean, come on. He. That's it. Well, you went to take mean, he he he he that's it. Well, you would just take a, you would take a

figure of speech and just rum with it in a casual way. And they get funny somehow. Yeah, stitch and time, you know, what's that? A stitch and time like, you know, like, what do they got? There's a seamstress up there. It is still stitching. So stitching, you know, so anyway, that was Norm's office

and I would look to see they he never wrote anything down yet nothing written down I would look for it and go through the drawers like He came back once he came back from He was opening for Bill Cosby and he came into the office late like I started 3 am He came walking out because I was open for Bill Cosby. I don't know. I go. Yeah, I'm making this fast where he goes Yeah, yeah, I told him I said, I didn't know what the state of Bill Cosby would be a legend of all time. I go, I go, you're here, you're my father's favorite comedians ever lived. And Bill Cosby goes, well, let's call your father on the phone. You know,

not, you don't want to call him on the phone. Hey, you're a huge star. You want to be on the phone and my father is a candidate. No, you don't want to. I didn't know what to say to Bill Cosby because my father had been dead for like 10 years. I was so blind. Yeah, that's very norm. God bless his soul, the greatest love norm. He's the man. He's the old, he's the old, good, good, just Canadian. I was just up in Canada, normed, legendary.

Oh yeah. I love him. On the only work, Jordi work people would run up to Bob Sagitt, the director. They would like, like, there'd be a hundred people around him trying to get his autograph when we're shooting in Toronto. And then Norm would give like four people walk up

that idolized him, like a total idolization, you know? It was like a different fan thing. Okay, three words to close out this. Just be, I'm gonna be representing the fans. Joe, Joe, Joe Joe dirt three. Huh? I'm just being on the representing the fans right now. Dave, Dave had an idea of the Joe dirt sister.

I feel like we I feel like we should do a joder animated because we could do it forever and I wouldn't look so old. But I feel animated would be crazy and we could do anything We wanted and still have the voices and we could probably get walking and everybody and it would be great But I don't know how to do that. That'd be cool walking walking. I can be another job that job that People tell me all the time Joe does that you know, do you know people they have seen it? I can't see all these all these shocked that someone remembered it or knew he was in it.

Didn't know what they thought never got over it. You bet a lot of your tone. Watch your tone is a great one. Watch your tone. Watch your tone. Yeah, tone is a good way to tell us kid rock to watch his tone. They know, they know this was good news now. I never heard you do.

No, well, I had I did a Jack candy sketch with him once, where we're in a wooden spaceship on eight age rehearsing. The idea was the land, the landing gear would come down or the door would come down and kill an earthling. So we would come out like we come in peace to see you in the, and then they go kill them, kill them, kill them. And then he would always say, let's get out of here. And then we go in the little one spaceship and we're tight quarters.

His head is like an inch from my face and it's just red face laughing so hard at the idea. Let's get out of here. It's its own dialect. Chris. I say, like real quick walking, okay, real quick, walk, sorry, real quick. Yeah. Okay. Is we're right in continental, it was his idea.

Continental was totally his idea. They had done it on the show before. POV of the camera. He had an air man. Yeah. Yeah. And it was just me and him. And I wasn't having a person. So he said, hey, what about you, you go, I have fallen for you and I can't get up.

And he said, I don't know what you're saying. I go, oh, this is life where commercial where the lady goes, I have fallen, I can't get up. And he said, I don't know what you're saying. I go, oh, this is life-lure commercial, where the lady goes, I fall and I can't get up. He goes, no, I don't know it. No. And so I go, oh no, you just say, I have fallen for you and I can't get up. No, what?

What? No. And so he kept saying no and finally he said, don't bring it up again, no, no, no, no. And he's like, oh, okay. But I'm, I'm Saturday. I'm Saturday. So we had a sketch and I put on cue cards

and then I go to walk in this right before dress and I go, hey, Chris, I mean, maybe, maybe just like, if I just sneak in and right here, all you have to do is say, I have fallen for you and I can't get up. I just, and he, I, okay, put it on the cards. Like really mad. And so I ran, I put on the cards and dress where it goes

and he comes to that line and it fucking destroys. It just blows it off. Laugh goes forever. He counter-leaves. He's fine, affable. And so I'm waiting for him as he comes off stage for dress rehearsal. I'm just standing there.

I'm all excited. He walks by and he goes, I don't know what I said, but I'm saying it again. Yeah. Never seen the commercial. Yeah, the idea we're talking about. That's awesome. Oh, man. All right. Yeah, the idea we're talking about. Oh, man. All right. Well, that's it for Fred.

We did it. We actually go on and on, but comedy all star writer, comedian, all around. We also wrote grownups and grownups too. Gee. That's some cute and light on a TBS for the last. That's a very many Pat Sejack. So, as show MTV is a movie, Yes for the last Very many Pat say Jack so a show MTV music Range wilderness and on and on and on huge resume can't get to it in one podcast. Thanks for having me on you guys might have you on again

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