Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Jim Gaffigan

Episode Date: May 1, 2024

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Okay, Jim, James Gaffigan, he has 28 kids and lives in a one bedroom apartment. Remember we asked him about that? And he's like, that's old. He had seven kids in a one bedroom apartment. Remember we asked him about that. And he's like, that's old. He had seven kids in a two bedroom apartment. I go, why is this on your Wikipedia? You got to change this stuff. He's funny guy though.

A lot of kids, a lot of standup. Very funny. A lot of huge specials. A lot of Grammy nominations. He really churns out those specials, that's hard to do. Dude, I'm gonna tape one at the end of the year, I think. And I'm like, if I tape one and start from scratch, it's so hard, these guys that do it.

It's so hard. Just call it David Spade stories and just collect meter maids that hassled you. Yeah, I mean, really, David Spade meandering. How about musings? That way they can't get mad. Yeah, I love anything that ends with, well then they can't get mad.

Yeah, smiles and nods. Who are they? Who cares if they're mad? How about David Spade, smile and nod along. No laughter though, just like. Here's the title of my new special. Dana Carvey is David Spade. Oh, that's not bad.

You get double algo. Well, I do different makeup. I look like you and I come out, I do it as you. I know everyone's like, are you guys the same person? Shut up. Hey, full disclosure. All right, Greg can cut this part.

Back to who you're about to listen to. Jim Gaffigan is so funny and, uh, he really breaks down how he does this. Breaks down is my favorite phrase. And he is someone who can, back to your point, kind of take two months, go back and forth to the nightclub, tape it, listen to it, and meticulously fix anything that's not working. So he's like Jerry Seinfeld in that way. Highly disciplined.

Yeah, he's a wordsmith. I mean, you know, I don't know if we talked with this. He went on the road to Europe and said, I'm going to write a whole special just about different countries. And he would go to cities and just talk about their cities. It's so hard to do. It's so much of a challenge. Things like that are not in my playbook right at this moment. They will be. Well, I've booked a ticket for you to go to, you go to Brussels, you take the train to Munich,

the time you get to Florence. I already have 10 minutes right there. Yeah. They talk funny. That's the name of it. Buzz by Bangladesh, get a few minutes of material, every, every country. But Jim, um, anyway, in all seriousness, Dana, Jim, I saw him in unfrosted, which was what he's talking about here, the unfrosted, uh, pop tart movie, Seinfeld's movie, I thought he did a great job. He has a huge part in it.

He was hilarious and unfrosted. He was consistently incredibly funny in that movie. Yeah, I have to say, I cracked up at Unfrosted. It was great casting. Yeah, yeah, great casting, tons of cameos. We'll talk about that with Jerry when he comes on. But here is Jim, a very sweet guy and a very hardworking guy.

And one of our great standup comedians of the last many years. ["The House of the Bumblebee"] Hey, honey, Jim Gaffigan's on. Alert the house. The comedian. Oh. Oh, sorry. It's so, I hope your wife is excited as I am.

You're excited. I am excited. You're excited. Are you on a podcast press tour right now? Remember in the olden days you'd sit in a chair and like channel two from Minneapolis. Yeah. But now it's just like- No, I think this is the only one I'm doing, I'm pretty sure.

I love it. Because you guys are special. Well, isn't that? Because there are so many, right? Yeah. And you can get swallowed up by all of them. They suck. My only goal is for you, Jim, to not be bored on this podcast.

Cause they can get really tedious if they're totally autobiographical. Well, tell me about- I'm good, I'm excited to be here. Thank you for having me. My goal is to get Jim to say the F word within four minutes. That's not gonna fucking happen.

Wait, that's great. Hey, wait a minute. Jim, wait a minute. this leads me to a question. Go ahead, Jim. What is so weird? Well, I mean, this might have been what David was gonna, because sometimes I'll be hanging out with comics and they'll, we'll be at some green room and they'll curse

and they'll turn to me and they'll go, I'm so sorry for cursing in front of you. Like I'm some youth minister. And they'll go, I'm so sorry for cursing in front of you. Like I'm some youth minister and I'm like, just because I don't curse in my act. I mean, Dana, you don't curse do you in your act really? Um, a little bit, you know, I'm telling Jesus, um, the guy who gets in my head sometimes is Jerry, because like he has these, him and Leno have these philosophies about standup and Jerry's one of his is like, if you can find a way to get the same laugh without the word fuck on certain punchlines.

And there's bits I I've tried all these different things and just never gets the same laugh. But that is kind of, I like if someone, like when I watch you, I don't think this is a clean comic. Never even occurred to me. Never even thought of it. It's just a guy doing funny shit. So I think swear words can be really abused and used, especially in nightclubs. I see young comedians, audiences boozed up. And if you just hit those all the time. So I don't even think about you as a clean comic seriously when I watch you. Cause I feel the bits are actually really sophisticated.

Cause I know how hard it is to write. Line after line, you have that skillset or that discipline to, I'm going to talk about this thing for five minutes and rotate it like Robert Klein, Seinfeld, Cosby pre that counterpoint. Oh, but you, is that still in your head at all? Like he's the clean guy. He's like a minister. He's not, he has no edge. He doesn't say anything.

Is that what's kind of bugs you or what? No, I mean, it's, but it doesn't, it doesn't say anything. Is that what's kind of bugs you or what? No, I mean, it's, but it doesn't, it doesn't bother me. There probably was a couple of years ago where it was, I mean, you know, it's just, if there's an article about you, that's the adjective that I would get when, you know, comedians just want funny, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, that's the only thing you want, right? That's the only answer.

Instead of leading with clean, they lead with, instead of leading with funny, they go, well, if you want to see him, he's definitely clean. You're like, well, we can jump to funny whenever you're ready. Yeah. Well, it's like, and family friendly is another backhanded compliment in a way for,

that means county fair kind of, you know? It means some up and shit a little bit yeah yeah and it's the whole thing about clean it's like no one's we don't live in a society filled with so much cursing that people are like I'm gonna actually pay $30 to go here for someone not curse like that would be a weird world amazing Amazing. He doesn't curse. Well there's some money in, first of all, you're hilarious and Dana, I will, I will hit Jim up here and there. He's got more awards than, than Captain Kirk, you know, in Star Trek.

Six Grammy awards, seven nominated for voiceover. So yeah, you have, uh, you do have that massive awards as well. Thank you. That's, that's why I have one Emmy. Whoops. That's cool. It's not sick. Are you up for six Grammys?

Is that possible? No, I was nominated, but, uh, for six Grammys, but that's great. Yeah. No, I mean it is. It's strange. The whole awards thing, right? I just think that it means that people still recognize your name, right? Uh, that's where the nominations come in, but I don't have, in this age of Chapelle,

I don't have an expectation of ever winning any awards ever. It's Chapelle's world. We just- Well, there's, there's important comedy and there's stuff that I do. So there's sometimes if it's just like, if you don't have a super angle or your con or your special isn't in front of no audience or something very offbeat, it's tough to get attention for just being funny. And there's something you said, guys like you churn out so much money in so many

crowds and just grind it. And I tried to do, I can't fill what you fill. I mean, we, Dane and I were just talking about it. You go out and do a place I do, but you do it for five nights. And it's, it's, it's such a hard thing to do. And it's such a hard to build a crowd and then you do a special and then a tour, then a special and to keep turning out specials is so, to throw in hours so hard to me, is it, is, is it hard?

I'm trying to get to a question, but I'm just saying you can answer that. I mean, keeping it clean is hard, but you're used to it. So a special, how long does it take you? Let's start with that. It varies. I mean, it's, I mean, it's also changed so much, right? The, it used to be, you would do one special and then that would be kind of what, what a comedian would do except for Carlin, right?

It would just be, um, so it's, but I think that now we're in this age where. You can, uh, people can, people do consume so much stand up, but to answer your question, I don't know. I just find it really rewarding and, um, it's something that I have some semblance of control over in the entertainment industry. Whereas I, you know, like if I, if I probably got more acting work, I probably wouldn't be putting out so many specials, but some of it is. It's just kind of creatively fulfilling.

And, um, I mean, stand up so immediate, you come up with an idea, you can go on stage and, and then you can rewrite it and stuff like that. And some of it, I think is just the habit of, I think I also get burnt because I tour a lot, I get burned. Uh, I get tired of material too. So I'll, once it works, I'll kind of feel like I should put it away. You know what I mean? Yeah.

That's hard to do for me. I did a special. I'd be this entertaining. No, I like it. But actually our audience loves this and I do too. I'm fascinated by, like, do you at this point or recently, can you, like you're in a room, you come up with an idea, you're sort of sketching out bullet points for laugh points,

but it's kind of unformed. Can you feel like you can get it closer to the finish line before you put it in front of unformed. Can you feel like you can get it closer to the finish line before you put it in front of an audience? Or is it the same thing of like all the surprise the audience will tell you? Because you have a voice and you have a rhythm and you have a sensibility.

So it seems like it's, is it slightly easier to write for your character in a sense, unless you step outside the lines with Dark Pale where you went, you challenged your fans a little bit. Yeah. That one, which I thought was cool. Oh, thanks. I would say that it's different, right?

I mean, as you guys know, like sometimes the whole thing just comes out of your mouth. Particularly if I'm complaining about my kids, that's, that's, you know, I'm usually kind of, you know, remembering how I was complaining about my kids to a friend. And then I would say that on stage. But then there's some where I really kind of tinker with the material. If it's more observational kind of mundane things, but it's yeah, it, it's, I don't know what some of it is. Like I just, I love the process so much and I, I, you know, every standup has such a different way of going about it. You know, like I wish I was one of those guys that could just go on stage and, uh, talk about things that he feels, uh, about things, but I don't think that I talk normally in

complete sentences. Like I, you know, I, there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of you knows and stuff like that. So I have to write rewrite land with a noun as opposed to a verb. Stuff like that. Right. Yeah. It's work to get a bit, you know, to go from, you know, you hear about songs that get written and they're like this great song, one of the Beatles wrote in like 10 minutes and then that's like jokes.

You go, this thing actually has a beginning, middle and end right now. Right when I say it. It's fully formed. And some, like I have to tape it. I audio it when I go on stage, like if I'm here at the comedy store. Then I go home and I hate listening to it, but I got to, sometimes I transcribe it and I look through it and I go, I don't need that. I don't need that. And I circle that and I go, I need this. That's tighter. Then I try that. And then I go, how do't need that. I don't need that. And I circle that and I go, I need this. That's tighter. Then I try that. And then I go, how do I get out? Like sometimes I have good jokes and I can't get out. And so I leave them on the sidelines because I just can't find just a great ending.

And that's, it's all, it's all like you say, it's rewarding when you get it right and you figure out that Rubik's cube and then you do a set and you go, I actually am up to another hour and it's working. And if you're like, fuck, I'm still kind of good. I mean, again, like movies, you do what they say, you, you go when they say, you wear what they say and then stand up. You just go, I have a new joke. I'm going to go try it tonight.

Somewhere. Yes. Yeah. Can I ask both you guys? Yeah. I'm sorry. Go. I just want to ask both you guys a question because I find, and

other people find it, there's a self-loathing aspect at listening to yourself. And it's like, God am I bad. And it's painful, but the great comics do listen back because there's so much there. How do you do that? Both of you, do you kind of skip over? Okay. I know I remember that section went pretty good. Now I'm in the section that felt bad.

And then it's, is it torturous at all? Or is it just more forensic? Like, okay, that's interesting. That sucked. Cause the setup I didn't do it. Whatever. Does that have a horrible time listening or watching myself on it's grotesque, but I think it's getting numb to that self-loathing,

you know, and also, I mean, some of it is that I sometimes comment on how repulsed I am by myself. I know. But, you know, so that alleviates some of that. But yeah, no, I think that, I don't know, I think it's just kind of the never- yeah, no, I think that, I don't know. I think it's just kind of the, the, the never ending kind of puzzle of it that I find rewarding.

Cause sometimes listening back up, you know, I'll be like, oh, I should have done this or I'll hear, oh, I was mumbling too much. And then of course for me, it's like, sometimes I'm so dumb, like I'll just forget the intention behind the joke. Like I'll hear myself say it and I'll be like, yeah, that's not the point of the joke. I no wonder it didn't work, but I do think there's so much value.

And this is going to sound kind of corny and like the different types of laughs. Right. sound kind of corny and like the different types of laughs, right? So there's the, uh, the super hot audience that, and I mean, attractive, no, but there's super, uh, good audience that's laughing at everything. But when an audience where it's sometimes working the material You can figure out you know like so this segment of the audience or this Demographic might interpret what I'm saying in a certain way That I'm not intending. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I Mean, do you guys ever encounter that like I have this joke right now that I'm kind of working on that

Where I talk about, you know, putting a man on the moon and how we're going to Mars and it's like, you know, we put a man on the moon 54 years ago and we never did that since then because we never put a man on the moon. And so that's not even the thing that's interesting to me. The interesting thing to me is that it brings up such a whirlwind of conspiracy among the audience in emotions that there's some people who are like, we didn't go to the moon.

And then there's some people that are like, it doesn't matter. And then some people just appreciate it for the observation that I'm making in the joke. And it's so like you accidentally bring up something that changes the mood in the audience or sets an expectation. Right. They're thinking of their thought about it. They're not laughing. They're going, wait, does he mean we never went to the moon?

To make it funny. Here's an observation I had about that. I assume you would not use it. And I don't think it's that profound. But when I meet people who say we didn't go to the moon, sincere college educated people, and I say, well, if we didn't go, if we faked it, that's a bigger accomplishment than actually putting a man on the moon. It's because I've hung out with Buzz Aldrin.

He's, he's Brando. He's, I flew five hours on an airplane with him. So he's genius at how he, the thousands of people who kept this conspiracy together, But I don't know if there's funniness in them, their heels, but. No, yeah, no, there is something about, and also there's something of, you know, we can laugh at ourselves about it. It's kind of like the flat earthers. You know what I mean? There's people that sincerely believe that. But like, there used to be a time where like, even if you were a flat earther, and I'm not saying they're all like this, but like, there used to be a time where, like, even if you were a flat earther and I'm not saying they're all like this, but like, they'd be like, I know people think I'm crazy because I think the earth is flat. But now today people are like, are you saying that I'm crazy because I

believe the earth is flat? Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, the moon stuff is tough because most of my crowd doesn't even know we went to the moon or knew about it. And so that's another problem is you're doing it. I talk about ET in my hack because I talk about aliens and just the fact

that my crowd is mixed, they're either four to eight years old or they're eight to 12. So the older ones sort of. That's a big range. How do you, how do you appeal to a four-year-old and a 12 year old? I see you. I know you got to mix it up. And so ET, like a lot of my audience knows it so I can run with a joke,

but if they don't know it, there, there's four minutes where I feel like they're checking out because they don't really, they're trying to get it from the context and they're not supposed to work that hard, I guess. I have a joke where I talk, I reference Shaka Khan and I can see, I can see people in their twenties, very informed, socially aware people, and they have a look on their face, Shaka Khan, you know, like is that, was that somebody who was a leader of apartheid, you know, like they have no idea who Shaka Khan who like such a brilliant

performer that defined in many ways our generation and a 23 year old might not know who Shaka Khan is. You know, they don't know they're singing it because they're going through the eye, they're in the crowd going Shaka Khan, Shaka Khan? Looking around you're like, yeah that song. Shaka Khan, Shaka Khan? Shaka Khan? Looking around you're like, yeah, that song. You're like, no, that's it. But if you have a, I know you have a 20 minute bit based on Shaka Khan, which is great. It's like, I don't get the premise. So the next 19 minutes, I'm just going to sit here and wait this one out. That's the problem sometimes because I think my references are so snappy and everyone's like, you don't even know what you're talking about, dude. I got a Trini Lopez chunk that I'm still working it. Life insurance is a big deal, Dana. I know you think ahead.

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When you go to these clubs, I just want to, just curious, like, do you have go-to clubs in New York or when you come in you go when it's like midnight or How do you deal with ladies and gentlemen this next gentleman? You know you might know him the rock star Hi, you just why don't you kind of probably tired you got your nose. He's coming. He always brings it I like to perform at Gotham Comedy Club in New York and some of that. I mean, I'm really a good one. This is talking about talk about overthinking. Obviously, the Comedy Cellar is a legendary comedy club here in New York, but it is. It's prone.

It's kind of by design, very interactive. People are always walking to the bathroom, stuff like that. And if you don't address it, you're a little bit like that guy. Didn't see that, you know, that six foot guy that, uh, Mohawk wire by you have to address it. Whereas in at Gotham. And I think that Laura goes a little bit like this in LA. You can do your show kind of self contained and I, you know, I, you know, I

enjoy the crowd work and, you know, some of my favorite people are always interacting with the audience, but I selfishly want to just do the material, you know what I mean? And so, or work on the material, I should say. So that's where I like to go. I do that. When you, when you, when you mentioned something in the crowd, I've done this in theater shows, you mentioned one thing and then it might get left. Plus it's always risky to leave your act.

People don't know this. When you leave your safety of your act, you don't know if they're going to answer the right way or are you going to come up with something. So I say something and now they know that I know the crowd is moving. So when they move, they sort of make a point of it because they want me to say something. And now I've entered crowd work. You are now in crowd work and I go, I don't want to do this. And people are waiting for me to talk and wait. And then they yell and I'm And I go, I don't want to do this.

And people are waiting for me to talk and wait. And then they yell and I'm like, oh, I don't want to do that. Yeah. Now it is the crowd work thing. Again, it's, it's very entertaining. I mean, I think like comedians, like, I don't know if you've seen Ian back do crowd work.

He's unbelievable. Mike Sweeney back in the day was just like a magician. It's hard. It's really hard. And there's some people that are really good at it. And I just, I'm kind of, I think it's inefficient use of time. That's my thing.

I look a little bit like a college coach here. I like that coat you have on. You're not actively coaching somewhere? Cause somewhere because I'm not coaching this year. Your kids. You look more like an umpire than a coach because you're you have a black hat with nothing on it. It's just flat. Just for people who don't who are fans or don't know this, but, um, the alter ego voice is kind of unique. I, it for someone who's as big as you, I don't know. I don't know if anyone else who has that companion that's so integral and, and really the conceit of it is brilliant because obviously you're always letting everyone in on there. There's no elephant in the room.

You completely pop the bubble. So I don't know how that evolved, but when you came onto that and it started working, you must've been pretty like, Whoa, I got a whole other world of comedy now that you can improvise with sometimes, right? You don't always know what it's going to say, yeah. And, you know, it was very much, you know, I'm a slow talking midwesterner. So when I, and I look like, you know, I could be John Tesh's brother. So when, by the way, now people are like, who's John Tesh? But when I would go on stage in the early 90s, I was this very white bread guy and slow talking. So I found if I just kept talking and even kind of spoke for them, I could get ahead of any possible heckling or snide comment.

And it's communicating self-awareness, which I think is always beneficial. But also the improvised element always helps a lot. And some people get really sick of it. And, you know, but I also feel like it's one of those things where you can change your point of view on a joke. So like, if I have this point of view where I'm very positive about something, if I'm taking the voice of someone in the audience, I can take an opposing view. It's a little secret.

And it's sort of, it's very high and whispery, but it's not really, I don't even know if it's a man or a woman. It's sort of. You know, people used to say, when you do the church lady, people used to say that to me. When you do the church lady. Oh. And I'm like, I'm not doing the church lady.

No, no. High voice. I, you know, I was, the first time I used that voice before I attached church lady to it was when I'd go on stage. David had this problem when I was 21 and I'd hear people gasp because they thought I was 15. This is before life beat me up. But I really look young and so I would go, wow, wow, wow, apparently we let little children

onto the stage. So that was, but then it became the character. But they're very different in rhythm and an intent. That's just funny how people connect things like that. And some of it is, I remember, I mean, I used to do these characters, like in the early 90s when there was downtown, there was everyone's doing characters, Danny Hock does characters. You know, there's every five years, there's somebody doing characters, you know, but goes the end did his characters. And so I was doing characters and one of the characters was someone that just went up there and complained and some of it was a little bit inspired by my oldest

sister who was always kind of, um, I think it's neat, uh, like, you know, uh, like if a joke didn't go over, I'd say my sister, Kathy would love this. I think it's neat. No one's laughing. I think Jimmy it's really getting too big for his bridges. And so there was some of that and it was very much, uh, it was weird because it was inconsistent because when it would work, it would work great, but if it didn't work, the audience would be like,

this guy is just mentally ill. You know what I mean? Now, what did we find out? Were you too big for your britches or was she onto something? I was, I still am too big for my britches. What does that mean? I read you did impression.

That's all. I don't know where figures of speech come from. There's 20 minutes right there. I see Norm, our sweet Norm MacDonald. They say a penny saved is a penny earned, right? It has 100% return. You know, it's more like a penny saved is a penny earned, right? And that's a hundred percent return, you know? It's more like a penny saved is like maybe 10 cents earners, huh, like that.

But anyway, that was, I think, oh, it'd be fun to have Norm do all those clo- What do you call them? Figures of speed. Clo-clo. We love that. But Jim, did you do impressions too for a while? Will you do some of the ones you did? You did? Well, I had, when I first started, I did I did Casey Cato coming up and then I did a Jimmy Stewart, your monies and bills. It's like now it just sounds like I'm doing impressions of Dana's.

What else did Dana do? Cause I did that too. What did Jimmy Stewart say? Your monies and bills? Well, your monies and bills. Now don't you understand here? Potter's not selling. Do you see Stewart say your money's in bills? Well, your money's in bills, Hans. Now don't you understand here, Potter's not selling. Potter's fine. Yeah, it's a wonderful life.

Yeah. But I'm trying to think of- You have to do like Cardi B now and Tyga, you know? Yeah, I used to do Malkovich, stuff like that, but nothing- Continue. Malkovich is hard. I've wanted to do Malkovich, but nothing. Malkovich is hard. I've wanted to do him for years, but it tilts into Travolta. Yeah, it's very whiny.

Because I'm Midwestern, he's kind of that wine is a little bit of a Midwestern wine. It's a little bit vocal fry. He could be on the bad side. I only have one phrase, and it was from the Sandra Bullock movie. It's only one phrase. It was post-apocalyptic. And I don't think it sounds like him,

but it's like, can't you tell that he's lying? See, it's a little too new, a little too much Long Island. Anyway. Jim, you do not have all this money. Do you live in a two bedroom apartment? That was, this is from Wikipedia when you were 11. How do you update? How do you, I mean, I, you ever go to some people's Wikipedia and you're

like, wow, this is an amazing article. And then yours is like, he liked food. It does say you like food. It says salmon is one of the, one of the rare foods you dislike. Yeah, that's big. You like every food. He likes food. He got baby five.

Yeah, you have your family friendly and you have, you have seven people that live in a two bedroom apartment in lower Manhattan and you eat at Vasleka. Vaselka. Vaselka. You've probably been to Vaselka. That's so weird. You go to one restaurant or you mentioned it in one article and they're like. That's our guy. He goes there all the time.

That's his place. You, yeah. You once got Paul Reiser in a headlock. Some of these aren't real, but some are. We're just gonna give you an old one. Now it's turning into that, what's that show? Comic, coming up. What's that called?

Coming up. He's a billionaire now. He was on Real People. Coming up. What's that called? Coming up. He's a billionaire now. He was on Real People. Coming up. Byron Allen. Byron Allen. Byron Allen. Byron Allen.

Yes. Now you, like the, now I understand you went on a vacation. They're just very generic. I understand you got a dog. Yeah. David Spade, you rented a car once. I understand you recently a dog. Yeah. David Spade, you rented a car once. I understand you recently took up tennis. Just jumps around. That's, that was random.

Shit. And is a billionaire now, if you're listening. He's just sitting on piles of money going, yeah, I think it's pretty, I think it's working. It also says you home birthed yourself. Is that possible? Well, I didn't, but my wife did. Yeah, we did do that.

No, you birthed you when you were born. No, no. That wasn't your suggestion? I came out of an egg. Your grandfather invented silly putty? That's true, that's true. You hang out with a silly buddy? All right. A silly buddy. Wait, you are friends with Rich Jenny and I knew Rich Jenny a little bit in the

old days who was a very interesting dude. You don't remember him, Dana? Of course. Rich Jenny. Richard Jenny. He was killing it. He would get on a roll in a rhythm. There was, um, I don't know. I, no one's ever done it better. When, when he's, if you take a big chunk of Richard Jeni, where he is just going, man, was he something. Yeah. He was, it's amazing. Cause he was, uh, uh, at such a, and he could just destroy a room. Just the pacing was just boom, boom, boom. The jaws bit. Didn't he have this jaws chunk or something about the shark? I don't know. Anyway, he played the, he played a second lead. Was it the Jim Carrey in the mask or one of those movies?

You know, cause he was in it. When I met him, I, I John Mulrooney, if you remember was, uh, I said, I, uh, I was looking for a place when I was starting out and he said, I'm moving out. I have a roommate, Rich Jenny. And he said, why don't you move there? He's on the road 50 weeks a year. You can just take my room. And I said, oh, for real? Is that cool? He said, yeah, yeah. So a week later, he said, you moving in? I said, yeah. He goes, well, because he got the Fox show he's going to host for Joan Rivers or something. This is all old trivia and super boring.

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Or is that made up? No, that's I think that's pretty true. If you and I would never disagree with that. If you look at long beach, just that special, because he operated on so many levels, like he was an actor, he's a sketch player and he'd do the character a coming kid, and then he'd also just have brilliant things to say. The interesting thing about that special for people want to check it out. Is that there was an opening act and the crowd had not even come back into the theater and he just comes out and starts his act. It was the coolest way to ever start a special. But anyway, and that was his special. And I think he was opening for

Patti LaBelle. That was it. Yeah. So you speak about him. I don't wait. His special was opening for someone. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. Long beach and it starts out kind of slow and, and, and then it just builds to all this, whatever you call Richard Pryor ism. Did you ever meet him or did you, uh, No, no, I never met him. What is, what, what makes you say that? I mean, what's your take on him? I think some of it is the, uh, I think that he had this unique ability to, uh, um, you know, I, you know, it's weird. I haven't talked about this in a while, but I think that there's a, what's really appealing, why people have a connection with comedians is a certain amount

of vulnerability. Like the contrast of the confidence and vulnerability. Now that being said, I think that like someone like Seinfeld or even Chris Rock don't, they don't wreak a vulnerability, but there's something you need to have some vulnerability. But I think Richard Pryor was like a very vulnerable guy, but also, um, but like just talk about like raw skills. Like when you consider, you know, in that era, it's like maybe he did the store a couple nights and maybe he met with some writers, but like that was, he's doing it when he's opening for someone else is just bizarre. I mean, it's, it's, and it's during that era when, you know, uh, that era when, you know, uh, you know, it was kind of just the opening act comedian, they would just throw them to the wolves. Like, you know, it didn't, um, I'm trying

to, now I can't think of his name, but like somebody had a great bid about opening for bands and, uh, I did it and just how like it was just brutal. Right. And, or even if you'd open for a great singer, they're not an any comedian. If they're not opening for anyone is not easy, but opening for a musical act and they are there to see Patty Labelle. Like I remember I opened once for Wayne Brady at a theater thing and a guy just yelled, he goes, when's Wayne coming out?

He kept saying that every five minutes. And I'm like, he's coming. He's coming. He goes, where's Wayne at? Where's Wayne at? Where's Wayne at? And that was like in 97, you know what I mean? Or 98.

I opened for Suzanne Summers at Caesar's Palace Tahoe. That's a classic example of a comedian that doesn't fit really and wasn't that good. And I proved it and I proved that it was a mistake, but she was very nice and signed a headshot for me. But that was a mix. I think Jim Carrey opened for Linda Ronstadt. Is that how he met her? And then he toured with her. Is that true? Maybe making this up to sound interesting. But I have to ask you about Pop Tart's movie because now I'm riveted by this movie. You are in it and you, well actually you tell me about the movie. I just love it.

There's all these people in it. And I want to hear about the table. It all sounds cool. Tile, Tile done again. Yeah, the trailer looks really fun. Yeah, it looks very cool. It's colorful. So go ahead and talk.

Yeah, it's called Unfrosted, the true story of Pop Tarts. Yeah. Yeah, it's the true made up story of the invention of Pop Tarts. And this is, it's the true made up story of the invention of PopCharts. And this is, it's, you know, Jerry had this bit on the impact of PopCharts on his life and how it was, you know. Yes, I remember he worked on that for years, right? Yeah.

To perfect it. Yeah. And so he and some people during the lockdown wrote this script, uh, over zoom, he was in New York and they were in LA and, um, that's what, you know, when everyone else was making bread, they were writing a script and, uh, but this script is a fictionalized account and it's pretty absurd and funny, but it also utilizes a lot of, it's weird because we, you know, there's been these times in comedy movies where,

you know, there's the romantic comedy kind of, like a comedy has to have a romantic element. And then there's bombs where it was, you know, Wayne's World or it was, you know, where that wasn't even, you know, like that was a side plot, but like it was just more about getting bits out there. And I feel like Unfrosted is about getting

just bits out there. And- Just be funny. Enough of Jerry Falls for the mayor's daughter or whatever, which maybe he does. Yeah. And so that's, that's some of, but it's also a lot of silly references to his childhood, our childhood, um, that are kind of, uh, just, you know, it's very, you know, like Jerry is very, um, he's very

kind of meticulous and stuff. So, and we would shoot it and you'd shoot, you'd shoot the scene and then similar to like probably how they did Seinfeld because these were all guys from Seinfeld. Then they'd rewrite the whole scene and there's part of you that's like, well, all right, um, wasn't that good? And, uh, but it was, it was great. And it was interesting to see, um, kind of the, the, cause I, you know, I was never on the TV show side told to witness some of that craftsmanship in action.

And, uh, yeah, you know, it's just like, but it's, you know, there's also something about this almost goes back to, you know, stand up comedians, like stand up comedians. We go on stage alone with a microphone. And so we have this absolute control. And so when you, and I don't know if Adam Sandler's like this or whatever, but like, then they get on a set and they're kind of like, all right, you're going to say it like this, you're going to say it like this. And that's not necessarily bad, but because they have the heart of a comedian, they're like, this is how it's going to happen. Whereas like, in an indie film, you're like, well, the, the, the moment of the scene informed me to do something else. Whereas with a comedy, it's like, we've got to get these bits right.

And we have to service, service the humor of this, which was, it was really interesting to do that. And also make them look thrown away and not thought out, but so thought out like an act, like where you're just going through your act and blah and people like, you just make that shit up. You're like, I wish I've just, I've been working on this. You know, Jim, I'm just curious, like Jerry, as a director, it's the first time he's directing. Oh, he directed it.

I know he's like, because of Seinfeld, it's like a group, but Jerry is the official director, so between takes or after the rewrite, do you see Jerry laugh? Cause Jerry's a good audience. Like he really likes to laugh. And then he comes into you and how does he decide to adjust it? Does he give you an example?

Does he tell you intellectually why? Or he say, I like what you did there, speed that up. Or how does he direct you? If you can- He, it's very much, he, he is, uh, well, I would say, you know, this might've been his first time directing, but we also know that. Kind of direct. It comes. Yeah. Yeah. You don't need to be very much writers, the writers medium, right? And so the show runner, you know, there's a director on sitcoms, but in a lot of ways,

the, the, the direct, the, the head writer or even the star, you know, like maybe I'd just shoot me. You'd be like, look, I'm going to do it this way. It's probably, you know, let's at least try. I ran a tight shift. And so, yeah. So, you know, there's certain, but like I would say with Jerry, you know, he was definitely open, you know, the funniest idea always won.

But yeah, what I thought was most telling, which didn't surprise me, but is the, uh, you know, the relentlessness to find the funniest bit in the individual scenes. And so, and there's also, and I imagine that's how he approaches editing too. Because when you think of like comedians and cars, it's really just two comedians talking, right? For four hours. He makes that, yeah. How he makes that into a show is in post and, you know, obviously the

editor will add a lot of value, but some of it is, I think Jerry really knows his point of view. And I kind of, you know, what I really appreciate about like Seinfeld or Chris Rock is their, like their core beliefs about their comedy or their beliefs in comedy, they're kind of, they're set in stone.

Whereas I think most logical people will be like, is this funny? You know what I mean? Like, that's not to say that Jerry or Chris wouldn't say, oh, that's, I thought that was going to be funny. It's not going to be funny. That happens to everyone. But like, There's a confidence. There's a confidence like the basic premise of,

of their kind of philosophy on comedy is unshakable. So like Jerry's like somebody who doesn't engage in, like comedians, we love to complain or gossip and Jerry's just like, no, I don't do that. And so it's, it's kind of true. Yeah. He's very Zen in some ways. Yeah. So like, I'll give him shit. I'm like, cause that's cause you're a robot. Cause you don't have emotions, you know, and I'll, I'll give them shit on that. But like some of it is really inspiring. And, uh, and so he doesn't get caught up by emotional distraction.

And I even see that, like, I remember one time at the store, I saw Chris Raff go up and this was probably 15 years ago. And he did like 10 minutes and he probably got laughs the last two minutes. I would have been a puddle on the floor, just shaking. He just walked off and he's like, hey, how you doing? It's like, there is something about that conviction around your beliefs or the belief in your process that they both have that is really impressive.

I like being around a group of comedians and in Saturday Night Live, you get comedy writers. And normally when the frequency is pretty narrow as to what's funny, like everyone's kind of jiving in on a script, seems like most of the time, everyone when the right idea came up, oh yeah, we're doing that.

And everyone would agree. Table rewrites on sketches. Comedians have instinct, they've been around a long time. And so normally it's like, oh yeah, we got it. So that you probably had that esprit de corps on Pop Tarts. Now it's gonna be, where is it? Is it in theaters or it's on Netflix, right? Netflix.

Netflix. How do Netflix. Netflix. How do you get Netflix? What's that about? No, anyway. Netflix is this new streaming platform. But yeah, so. And when does it start? It's run by Ted Sarandos.

Ted Sarandos. I think it's May 3rd. Okay. And. I can't do May 3rd, I can watch it on the 9th. You can, you know what? You can, there's this thing. I won't be there opening night.

Okay. You can download it and watch it on a plane. How is Kyle done again? Did you see him over there? Were you working with these guys? Oh my gosh. Kyle done again. I think he plays like three parts of the movie.

Does he play Carson? He's so brilliant. He plays Carson. He plays, uh. C he play Carson? He's so brilliant. He plays Carson, he plays- Cronkite? Walter Cronkite, and I think someone else. And I saw Bill Burr as JFK is very funny. Is that what it is? He's got a hair piece on, you're like,

hey, that's a pretty good JFK, and then you realize it's Bill Burr. You know, this movie has a big curiosity factor too, because there's a lot of good people in it. What are you doing it by the way? I play, I'm Edsel Kellogg. I play the guy who Jerry works for me. I'm kind of a nepo baby within the Kellogg family.

And when we were going through, because you know, I obsess on things, so there'd be table reads and I would do research on the Kellogg family and I'd be like, because it's crazy some of the Kellogg's, the starting idea. They created this serial so people would stop masturbating.

It's like bananas, right? I did not know that. And I would bring that up to Jerry and Spike and they'd be like, yeah, we're not bringing that up. You know, we're gonna, you know what I mean? We're going for the funny here. Yeah, we're not gonna, we don't need your kink brought into this gym. So.

This is where, is it Spike Fierstein? Yeah. Yeah, okay, great. They work together. Oh yeah. Nazi soup kitchen, I think was Spike orierstein? Yeah. Yeah, okay, great. They work together. Oh yeah. Nazi soup kitchen, I think was Spike or whatever, but yeah. So also we were told,

which I think is pretty a great name, Father Time. I was gonna ask you about Father Time. Precious batch, Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey. Jim, you're involved, Explain the name of the bourbon and how you came about. I think it's father time. Father time. Did I say something else?

No, there's father time and there's father. No, so it's father time. It's father time. But it's father time. Father time time. So you get both. I don't think, I thought there weren't enough people in the entertainment industry with their own alcohol. Yep. So that's why I did it. No,

the story behind it. I want to get into it. Can we go? I want to hear your story first, but I got to go. I don't know. I'm sure you guys, I don't even know if either of you drank or not, but like, I'm sure you've been approached about doing a celebrity spirit. And the thing that I've always been hesitant about is it's, it just, you know, it seems like a cash grab, or it just like, I've also gotten some celebrity spirits through, uh, gifts and stuff like that. And some of them are horrible. You know what I mean?

Like I wouldn't bring up, but like somebody, I was like, wow, this is, you know, like I'm not like a booze expert, but like, this is bad, whatever it was. And so I've been approached a couple of times and I was very, um, I was very hesitant and, uh, and then like, I think the last time I was approached, I was thinking, well, why don't I, cause I was worried about like it being of certain quality or it just appearing like they obviously just want to use some of your notoriety so that they can make some money. And so, and I'm not like somebody who's in this, my empire of, you know, this, and then I'm going to have my own clothing line.

I, but the last time I was pitched, I was like, you know, I do like bourbon, but like, and I know that people have, I was like, you know, I do like bourbon, but like, and I know that people have, you can buy a barrel and you can do a limited run or whatever. I was, and I thought, well, I've got this buddy from college who lives in Louisville. Maybe he knows someone where we could do something like that, but I don't want some big spirit company or, or, uh, I don't want it to appear like a cash grab. So essentially what ended up happening is I ended up selecting this bourbon. I paid for all of it myself.

If, if we sell all the bottles, I'll probably break even, but in some ways it was just one of those things that It's fun. I, you know, and I drink bourbon, so I wanted to do it. And I named it Father Time because, you know, I have three teenagers now and I never really, you know, growing up, I would see my dad drink and I'd be like, why does he drink? And now that I have teenagers, I know why he does.

I got it. Of course. So, you know what I mean? And now that I have teenagers, I know why he does. You know what I mean? It's, it's so, it's weird. So it's kind of, again, it's also a, you know, a creative outlet for me. And, uh, and I don't think that all, um, you know, it's not going to make me money and it's not going to be in stores or anything like that. It's just one of those things that I knew that I could do some, some hopefully humorous social media posts and get through this limited supply of bottles. But it is, it is more complicated than I thought.

You're like, you know, I'm not even, I can't, I'm not even selling it and you can't even drink it, but other than that, it's very limited. It's only at your house. It seems like the first thing you would want to do, Jim, is make sure that the product was great because that gets away from money. So whoever, who did you find that could kind of go, oh yeah, this is a great bourbon. And yourself, you have to like it. And yourself, but there are people so steeped in it that they wouldn't probably be able to tell you.

Well, I reached out to my friend from Louisville who I went to college with and I stayed, and I was like, and the subject of the email was like crazy idea. Do you like bourbon? How much do you, do you know bourbon people down there? And he was like, I do like bourbon. I know some people. And so he had, he's like, he does indie films and he had done like a bourbon for

the Louisville film society. And he said, it can be done, but like, it's, um, you know, it's not, you're not going to make money on it. You're, you're, you're, you know, if you want to sample it, you're going to have to come down here and we'll, we'll, but we'll ship you stuff. So I sampled a lot of bourbon, which is what I would want to do anyway. So I sampled a lot of bourbon, which is what I would want to do anyway. And then, um, I did go down to Louisville and I have, you know, three brothers. So they flew down and we used it as kind of like a brother trip where we.

Tasted bourbon and just ongoing research about just, you know, this, you know, cause I always imagine like when I would say 10 years ago, I, if I drank, it would be a beer because, you know, hard liquor, I just felt like I was pretending to be a grownup, right? Or if I was, I was, you know, like I was, Oh, let's act like we're in a Tennessee Williams play by having an old fashion, you know, like it just felt false. But now because of my children, I need the alcohol. That's my opinion.

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So if someone wanted to purchase a case of this, what are they? Fathertime.com or how do they? It's fathertime- or hash- Dash. Dash. Verbin. Dash. .com.

Okay. But it's- Fathertime one word- Dash. Verbin.com. Yes. Lowercase? Whatever.

I like Dash. But I literally had to go and buy, you know. Oh, it's Dash, it's Dash. We looked it up. Get the website and everything. It's one of those things, and my wife's like, what are you doing? I'm like, ah, it's just kind of like a nerdy project.

I'm doing my bourbon, you know? And again, it's. I like that. Is there something, because the label looks cool. Let's assume it's a super quality beverage and your limited run you do with this. There's always the possibility. I don't think that's your motivation. It's like a novelty fun thing, but that it just sort of, the feedback is like

humans love it and want more of it. Then all do you do is wave your wand and say, okay, make more. And so that's possible, but you're not even thinking, I don't want a future trip. Like it's not a disappointment if that doesn't happen, but it wouldn't stun me. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, that would be great. But I think that even being pitched by these people that were doing these celebrity spirits. It is a real long-term thing that people are looking at and it's, then it's getting into stores and stuff like, if someone approached me, I probably would be open to it, but I also, again, I'd probably care more. And this sounds really sincere, but I wouldn't want it to

be crappy. You know what I mean? Yeah, I totally. So it's not, you know what I mean? It's, I'd want it to be good. Like, like it's not cheap. And the reason it's not cheap is because I made sure it's a cool bottle and that's a cool, uh, stopper and a cool label. And so, but I mean, if I wanted to, you know, I could have made it cheaper, but, um, you

know, it, you know, I think I've eliminated risks, uh, of it being bad, you know what I mean? And so the, and also the people that are, cause it's a blend of, you know, you pick 16 barrels of this and all that. Um, it's also getting the right people to, to, uh, you know, to mix it together and all that. That's what the science is. So it's a big, and it turns into, if you really want to sell it, some people dedicate 24 hours

a day because it turns into such a big, but you got to get it in stores. You got to fly away. So it's probably harder to do that anyway. And you already have a full-time job. Yeah. And by the way, we all know so many people that have, that's why I'm kind of like, yeah, if it came up maybe, but like I know people that have done it through the spirit companies and it's, it doesn't go anywhere anyway.

So I'm like, this is just kind of for me and I'll send you, I think I already have, David, I don't know if you drink, but I was going to, but I'd love to send you one. 100%. He drinks. I invested in one and it took a shit. So I know that side. Really? Yeah.

Well, it was a horrible title for vodka, took a shit vodka, took a shit vodka. I, I was against it. No, Dana, it was called shitty vodka. Well, I thought it was, I thought it would get it. Joe dirt whiskey. Oh, Joe, no, it should. No, but there should be church lady Chardonnay, sinfully delicious. Good night. Yeah.

Oh, Jim, I wasn't the founder of it. I was just brought in and then jumped on a trend, all the wrong reasons. Jarnay, sinfully delicious. Good night. Yeah. No, Jim, I wasn't the founder of it. I was just brought in and then jumped on a trend, all the wrong reasons and also to help out a friend. And then it just kind of money evaporates. Everything goes quiet. Yeah, and that's why I, it's me. This thing is literally me and another guy.

And the money's all, it's like he put in some money, but it's mostly my money. So there's, but it's really a two, you know, like all the, you know, the promos that I did, I did those all in one day when I was in Louisville. So you can do this if, you know, but like I think when you get a lot of people involved, that's, that's when money starts disappearing. But you know how it infiltrates your brain, just this idea of celebrities and,

and spirits like, and then you hear that suddenly they have their take of the sale of the tequila was $450 million or more. You know, I don't know if Ryan Reynolds or George Clooney, I mean, it's just massive. So that's where your brain goes. Ryan will buy this out of petty cash. He's so rich, he'll buy it for fun. But it's sold for 2 billion,

but his share will only be half of that. Aquillian. We'll be right back. But that's not where it's at. Yeah, I kind of assume those days are Done like I do think that people don't will I mean if you if you are into Bourbon, which I'm a little into you end up kind of being a collector of like, oh now I got you know Blanton's now I got happy, you know, and oh is this does this Buffalo Trace different, you know, Blanton's now I got happy, you know, and oh, is this does this Buffalo Trays different,

you know, it's like how an alcohol alcoholic rationalizes things. Yeah. But I do think that, you know, it is, it is going to be a cool bottle that would be cool if you know, it's like men with their man caves. It's a good man cave kind of thing. Dan Ackroyd gave us his skull of his crystal skull vodka. That's a cool bottle. Yeah. It's incredibly cool. You never want to open it.

It just sort of, it really sits on a mantle or something. I put one right in my house, of course. Yeah. Looks cool, it's Danny Ackroyd. And it's not empty. I held it up. It was very light, but it's not empty. I held it up. It was very light, but you're, it's not empty. Yeah.

Well, Jim, thank you for talking to us. It's always fun to talk to you. Jim Gaffigan is here. 10 specials and counting, I think. Keep them going. The most prolific, considered one of the best standups of our generation. I don't know, I don't want to make a list. I don't know where to put them, but I'd say one of the very best standups of our generation. I don't know, I don't want to make a list.

I don't know where to put them, but I'd say one of the very best standups of this age group. I'm a little older, but I like what you young people are doing. He's been our guest today. Father Time is the beverage. Unfrosted is the movie. Is the movie. And Jim Gaff movie. Is the movie.

And Jim Gaffigan was our guest. Yeah, thank you, Jim. We'll talk to you soon, buddy. Thanks so much, you guys. Pleasure. Great chat. Appreciate it. Take care.

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