Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Sheryl Crow

Episode Date: October 26, 2022

College with Brad Pitt, karaoke with Kid Rock, and Woodstock '99 with Sheryl Crow. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Whether you're doing a dance to your favorite artist in the office parking lot, or being guided into Warrior I in the break room before your shift, whether you're running on your Peloton tread at your mom's house while she watches the baby, or counting your breaths on the subway. Peloton is for all of us, wherever we are whenever we need it, download the free Peloton app today. Peloton app available through free tier, or paid subscription starting at 12.99 per month. Cheryl Crowe is such a super talent. Great. We're doing musical people now that we're music guests on the show. I know Cheryl a little bit from the old days and seeing her out. And what a sweet girl, she has done so many things.

She sings with everybody that's famous, and that's great, highly respected. We had a great chat with her. Yeah, if you look at her peers, or singer songwriters, female, from the 90s till now, I mean, her legacy, the amount of anthems, she wrote, the amount of great hits. So it's a really fun chat we had with her.

And she's, you know, as likeable as they come. And just knowing she has all that talent and she started playing the guitar at the very end. She's sticking to it for that. All every girl I know in the last, you know, 15, 20s, if that, if any of those songs come on, you know, they all love Cheryl. She knows that she's doing writing everything. And so I've seen her in concert. She kicks ass. I saw her documentary. We talk about that. She's a great, great, great person. She said one

point. She said, could I tell the story? and I said, if it makes you have bad hands. If it makes you have bad hands. I go mine. That's like, once you get that song in your head, you never get it out. That's such a banger. I mean, that's her, that's one of the anthems. The girls always saying,

I'm not the kind of girl you'd say, home of the makes you have bad hands. Yeah, I'm actually pretty good at it. Her stuff is sneakily deep, you know, she hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, I would stay tuned for that. It's very, very interesting. Here's Cheryl Crow. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ I went Dana to come see. Dana, look, I know Cheryl. You dick. Oh my gosh!

It's been 3,000 years since I've seen either one of you. Hi, Cheryl. Aren't you at the 40th? Are you at the 40th? Aren't you? Yes, I was. I was. I was. So that's when we last saw each other.

When was that? 2016, I think. That was 40 years ago. I like, yeah. I know. It's, it feels like, yeah. Cheryl, Cheryl Crow is with us. I just like to say this, 32 Grammy nominations, 9 wins,

and 50 million albums there just to Re-remind everyone what the fuck is going on right now? Yeah, sure Let me put on my glasses so I can see you okay. Yes He's like very well. I'm sorry that your listeners can't see us visiting with each other through our camera screens I know even though this is all audio I spent about 45 minutes on my chair and lighting and stuff Spackled my face Back there the hairs looking great. Oh Dana Dana Dana looks like he's in solitary confinement people this room is empty of Avoid but my son had all my sons models and little army men are in a plastic

container and the laptop's on top of it. So it's very nostalgic when I do this. It's 28 now, but now I know what Dana, what is that room that you're in that has no art on the wall? Are you, is it everything must go? It's personal. I have sleep paralysis, so I have to sleep in an empty house because they'll come for me. I have it. Okay, I have sleep paralysis. How often? I have not had it in a while, but now for a long time, I would have it almost every night and I would have it periodically through the night. And what's weirder, and I don't know if you have this, I'm sure this is so interesting to your listeners. Do you ever have sleep paralysis on an airplane?

No, I can't sleep on an airplane because I'm too terrified, no matter what. Even I just watch the computer and check the pilots, but so you go to sleep on an airplane. I sleep like a damn baby on an airplane. Well, if you had any other, the sleep paralysis is basically, you feel like something's attacking you had any other, the sleep paralysis is basically, uh, you feel

like something's attacking you and visibly in the night or there's a weight on your chest. It's like a waking nightmare kind of. You can't wake yourself up and yet you think that you're awake. Like you, you see people in the room, maybe and you're trying desperately to get them to wake you up, but paralyzed. Yes, you can't move. And the thing that got me, I was, it's the first time. San Yucidro Ranch in Manicito, whatever, you know, lifestyle's rich and famous. Yeah.

And just woke up, or I was, had that pressure on my chest, like something was crawling on top of me, and then I kind of went, okay, that was a dream. Use the restroom, went back to bed, felt I was awake as I am right now, and then came back again. But now I talk to it, it's never harmed me. I don't know if it's a spirit thing or something. Dana, then what did you do?

I beat the shit out of it. No, you left, didn't you? Well, my wife was sound asleep, so I turned to her and said, we have to go now. It's turned to her and said we have to go now. It's three in the morning. We have to leave immediately. And she's a key. She's a keeper because she didn't even blink. She's like, okay. Okay, honey. It's okay, honey. See, I thought it was just mostly in women. The women in my family have it. My mom has managed through the years to figure out how to get my dad

to wake her up and she does it by singing. Oh interesting. Well you're in Nashville. Isn't that full of ghosts out there? That's kind of, isn't it full of ghosts like old country singers and stuff? I mean walking around in the middle. Yeah, and civil war, lots of civil war, yeah, ghosts in Franklin. Oh, it's never a dull moment down here. And we live in the great forest except for when I was in guitar center. It does look like guitar center. She has 30 guitars behind her. Cheryl, I've been to Smashville and next time I go, I'm going to make you come down to the rhymin and watch me bomb.

I'm so mad that you've been here and not called me. I take it very personally. You know, the last time I saw your, but you lived somewhere in the canyon. Yeah. If you had some beautiful house, it was like a couple of houses right next to running Canyon. Okay. And I won't give you the address because somebody else that's kind of high profile lives are now. However, that being said, I used to have wild parties at my house. And I don't know if you remember this. And this I've only been thinking about it lately because of Salmon Rusty being in the news.

Not to mention we just played Chautauqua, but so I'm sure you know what happened to Salmon Rusty. So many driver and I decided this is years ago. I'm trying to think of what year it would have been. Salmon's usually my plus one at parties. He is. He is. He is fascinating. Anyway, we said, let's have a New Year's Eve party together. And you can invite 40 people and I'll invite 40 people.

Now it's going to be it. And by about 11 at night, there must have been 800 people in my house. And one of them was Salmon Rushdie. And it was right after his book had come out and there was a bounty on his head. And I'm just like, really? Is something that killed you tonight? What's happening on Miss Hollywood?

Well, your house was like a bunch of little houses or am I crazy? Yeah, there was a big old Spanish house and then across the driveway, which is the house I bought and then we're out across the driveway on the same property were two other houses that were really old.

One was built in the 19, early 1900s and the other one was built in 1887. And the guy who lived in those, who had those two properties and the 11 acres wound up selling it to me for, he just needed to get out and kept lowering the price and lowering the price. And so I wound up with all three houses.

And it was just magical. But once I adopted my boys, I just didn't wanna live in LA anymore. Dana, I understand. Dana, I knew Cheryl Suzanne Crow a little bit because of you. You know everybody, his role adex is metaphorical. No, I didn't.

I didn't know we used to run around in the same place. No, we didn't. We wanted to eat and to dinner. Oh, was that peer group? Was it kind of like the little club? Courtney, Courtney, which cart, Courtney Cox? Courtney Cox and Kisco was around. I was around with Kid Rock because of,

it was during the Joder times when I saw Cheryl the most and we call him Bobby, which I don't know, it's kind of gross, but where he's like Bobby, Bob. But Kid Rock is a buffoon, is hilarious. And we would all go out and then I would run into Cheryl and with all those other people. And she was always nice and she was always nice

and she was always friendly and obviously being a superstar but had a lot of fun. She has a great voice and she has a great singing voice but she has a great voice too. I've heard and it was fun. I just watched your whole documentary and so it's just weird to pop on right after because I finished it this morning.

Oh, you did? Oh, yeah, it's kind of a tear jerk over some reason. There's ice on in the background right now. I just glance at it. It is. It's never a dull moment. It's brilliant. I put it out there with top gun.

I put up there with top gun, maverick. By the way, can we sing top guns praises for 10 seconds? Did you see it? I did like top-head. I don't know if I, what, what, what? It's shocking, like, my wife, both flipped for it. It's like, it's the new one. The new one.

It was so good. Here's how I'm going to connect it. And see if you guys connect to this. I connect it to Roman Holiday with Gregory Peck and Audrey Hepburn. Interesting. The reason is, it's done a lot, but they did it better than anyone else.

You invest in the characters, invest in the story, and then there's seven minutes of Hans Zimmerman soundtrack with kind of people hugging each other and giving thumbs up. And that's the part that gets you. Anyway, that's it. Wow. Okay, I'm gonna go back and watch it. I dragged my boys to see it

because they had no attachment to top gun. And I was kind of skeptical, but I'd heard how great it was and we loved it. I mean, it was such a good old-fashioned, plot-driven movie, anyway. How old are the kids? My kids are 15 and 12. Oh, right in the pocket.

Oh, okay. That's perfect. Yeah. Perfect. And they seriously don't think I'm cool at all. It would be weird if they did. Yeah, oh my God, I sure am. I sure am.

I'm cooking the pancake. Yeah. Tell them to watch the documentary. They'll say, oh cool, you are. Do you think I should let them watch it? I don't know, you're, um, I don't look at it from their eyes, but it shows how tough you are, how hard you bust your ass, how good you are.

First of all, everyone that loves this crazy about you, all these huge, huge stars that rally around you and you're singing with every single one of them, I knew you more like a skim job because when you watch the You know when I see you out, but we you know, I don't get into all that stuff, and it's so I had so many more levels to Your whole life and career. I had no idea about Well, you know, I think most people and I'm sure guys too, you guys have stories that nobody knows anything about. Like you're like a fully realized person

that's not covered in the tabloids and all that stuff. I find that everybody has a story. Everyone. And way more than you think, I wouldn't release my, because no one believe it, they would just laugh me out of the room. I don't know. I don't know.

I want to know the story of Dana Carmi. Yeah, when I come to Nashville and we go around all the main street and we go in the bars, we see all the incredible bands. I'll tell you everything you want to know. So my new best friend is Cheryl Croix. I just want to make that announcement and make it clear. So you're the thing I got from the documentary, which I recommend to everybody, because such a human story, is how hard you worked and how driven you were, and then how you, like most people, well there's certain celebrities I know that are much easier with fame, but how you had a love hate with that, and we'll talk about that part of your drive, and yet why do I

want this and stuff like that? Yeah, I mean, I still think fame is a weird, it's a mind, it's a real mind drip and I didn't really adjust to it very well. It for me, instead of it being fun and something I could kind of navigate and manipulate and use to sort of build my brand, which was not the, you know, people didn't talk about brand back then. I know. Instead, for me, it was pressure, you know, it was pressure, and it was a source of my,

I mean, I've always looked at my life as, okay, how am I going to fuck this up? Or, you know, that's just how I've always, I've always been sort of, Uber critical of myself, I don't know why. But, and so fame was just one more avenue for me to fall short or embarrass myself. Or, you know, it becomes this thing, like suddenly you're invited to the party and you're like with all the cool kids.

And then you get this weird panic that when is this gonna stop? And oh, I wasn't at that event or I should have been at that or I wasn't included that it's just like it's a another level of Panic for it was for me at least I didn't really remind it all the time you were saying in the documentary you're saying it now I would like in tiny ways you get really remind like you go to the Golden Globes and you're sitting eight rows back where you were the year before and you're like, is that weird?

That part is kind of funny. There's so many little things you keep getting checked like where you are, the food chain, and vanity fair, part of the invite you at nine or 1 a.m. and you're like, wait a second. What, does that matter? And they're like, well, you can't, and you can't bring a plus one this time,

or you can, and all that stuff is, someone's in a room deciding your fame level. And, yeah. And they're all the pictures of people on the road like carpet, and you've like gone out of your way to look hot, and you're not in the picture. Oh, yeah. Or they'll say a press announcement of like who came,

and you're not in those 10 they mentioned, you're like, oh, okay. Well, I was gonna say and one other thing I found that I still see my name in the press and it'll be misspelled. Oh. And I'll just go, okay. Do they misspelled Crow or Cheryl? They do a C?

Cheryl. They can't get any of it right. We're still in time so it'll be like an E on the end of Crow. Yeah. Anyway, it's all, that's the the part that was so once I moved, and especially once my boys came, and really truth be told after I got diagnosed with cancer, all that stuff just kind of went out the window and seemed ridiculous, you know. That same thing happened to me. I'm happening to me twice. Once with the health issue I had

botched by past, but feels good now. And once when I was picking up my son and he went in for the play date, he's like, nine, he comes out, he has a severely fractured wrist. Oh my gosh. It's just I go on at a right angle. So he had to drive to the hospital. And in that moment,

everything got real clear, you know? Yeah. I read this thing recently based on what we're talking about. And I can't believe I read something recently that would be helpful in terms of getting dinged in show business. The people who criticize you are doing less than you.

Ooh, I like that. Isn't it good? Cause like we would never judge you. We know what the work that goes in. You know, I don't ever think of anybody who's hot or not. I just know they have a story and they're talented and whatever. But do you go on social media at all and look around and David's good. I'm so, I mean, my assistant's sitting over here. I'm totally embarrassed, but first of all, I'll say that my kids say I was born in the 1870s. I am so not tech, but also I have nothing to do with social media.

That's not true. That's not true. I'm involved in my social media, but I don't know how to go on it. I don't know how to post. I hand stuff to Liz, and I'll say, can we post about this? This matters or... But I don't, I just don't do it. My kids don't have social media.

Are they dull? Wow. My personality is, and there's so much mean stuff on there. I would be't do it. My kids don't have special media. I hardly know how my personality is. And there's so much mean stuff on there. I would be distraught. So. How do you get your kids to not, do they want to be on and you don't let them?

Well, my 15 year old initially, about when he turned 12, started begging me for Snapchat. Of course. About 12 and a half. And all of begging me for Snapchat. Of course. About 12 and a half. And all of his friends had Snapchat. They didn't have Instagram. They didn't have whatever else that you have. What else is there?

Tick, didn't have TikTok. I know, I'm sorry, but didn't have TikTok. And then... You're sat weird. I am weird. I love upworthy. Like, I love that that I can get with. But anyway, so he asked me for his 14th birthday I am weird. I love upworthy. I love that I can get with.

Anyway, so he asked me for his 14th birthday if he could have Snapchat. And I said, oh my gosh, buddy, you don't have to ask for a few birthday. So he got that. I mean, that's the weird one because you can't check what they're doing. But there's a thousand ways. It's, yeah, it is sneak chat. There's so many ways though to see all the TikTok stuff on YouTube and we have all the parameters. I'm at a friend's house and, you know,

yeah, you can't hard to control. My daughter is actually grew up, I don't know where you were, so she is in Springfield right now. Oh, not far. Yeah, so she, that's where she's growing up. And so, I think it's nice, it's nice there, right? It is nice there, it is my brother went to college there

And I've tried to keep her there as long as I can in a bubble before she Comes to stay in LA sometimes because just I can tell it's just it's getting scarier and scarier about Terrifying it is for them to open to that world Yeah, but it's kind of that way everywhere. I mean, we just have a we have a rule that you can't be on your phone. You know, can't come and lay down and catch and be on your phone for. You know, I'm sort of at a 30 minute, you can do 30 minutes, pick your screen. I look at my screen time. It says I'm on 22 hours a day. I'm like, we can pump those numbers up. I know they do. They it monoshue. Your phone says you're down, you're those numbers up. I know, they do, they admonish you.

Your phone says you're down, you're down this week, you're six just down, I fuck you. Why are you on it for? What's wrong with you? Why don't we do? We can't wait to get you sucked back in. Yeah. Come on, you, you know, anger really sells, man,

and outraged, but I don't look at it. I get to, way too sensitive. If I see one negative thing, or were you ever funny, or whatever they say, I'm kind of bummed out. And it makes me mad that I even am affected. But I don't really feel for it. You've felt for it. You've felt for it. I don't like to see here or feel anything.

I mean, either, maybe they're plus, I'll tell you the one thing about making a documentary when you're 60, right? Sexy 60. You see all that old, I'm 60, I turned 16 in February. You see all that old footage of yourself and you still think you're that person and then it comes back over to an interview with you and there you are in the chair and you're 60.

And you know, I don't want to see it, I don't want to. I like to see it and I'm still like in my 30s. Hey, I'm up the ladder looking down at your age going, not bad. But you're right, how do we compete? You know, we're all so cute. Everyone is essentially all human. We are so cute in there. We get cuter with age.

In their 20s. But adorable. But everybody's really cute in their 20s and 30s, but it's hard to compete. What about Cheryl Woodstock, date I watched her shoes in the Woodstock one. I watched it because they said you were on it.

And so I watched it. 1999, that one. Oh, yeah. Well, wherever you had a full blown mullet. I did. I was where it was. Let me just tell you. Yeah, please.

This is a total aside. So I have these wonderful hair pieces that can clip in my hair, right? Nice. Not wearing them now, but with, if I go on stage or whatever, and I have clipped them on both my boys so that they look like Tommy Boy. What? I mean, Jo-Dirt.

Sorry, Jo-Dirt. Oh my gosh. Look so many. That's all right. Jo-Dirt. Yes. Jo-Dirt is a big Halloween costume. Yeah, it is a look.

That's cool. Oh my gosh, I love it so much. But yeah, that documentary, 1999, the Woodstock is, I watched part of it on the airplane a couple of days ago. And I had to turn it off. It was so disturbing. And I remember it. I remember how awful it was.

Was it scary for you because it got scary? Or like by the time youel got on and stuff, it was getting closer and closer to that hole. I remember hearing about it, but when you watch how everyone went bananas, it must have been, I can't believe who would stay. You know what I mean? It was so bad.

Yeah, I don't know. It is interesting that people did stay. It almost felt like they couldn't leave, but it was debauch from the beginning because we were on the first day. And you could look out and you'd see all these girls who were topless on guy's shoulders, you know, trying to get the MTV camera to sweep around in front of them and get on TV. And and they were already throwing shit from the outhouses that were not set up right or relieved. And at what point some landed on my hand while I was playing bass during my favorite

mistake? That's when we saw it. We played about four songs and I remember saying not not gonna do it. Not gonna do it. So I wouldn't be pretty. So I wouldn't do it. Not gonna do it. Sorry. I can't. It wouldn't be pretty. So it may not be a part of it. We don't do characters on the podcast,

but not gonna do it. Feeces on the bass. Bad. Anyway, well, that's a good gig story. Yeah. I've got a few of those. That was a highlight though. We went on after Andy Dick.

And then, so that tells you what the vibe is. Okay, yeah, that's. We went on after Andy Dick. So that tells you what the vibe was. Okay, yeah, that's a. We went on after insane clown haussies. So we were, Who's going after them? Jesus. We were like, is this our crowd? What's your open will line up?

Come out with a rocker. How'd you try to follow Andy Dick? I think we came out with it. Makes you happy. I mean, that was our weapon. That is a weapon. Well, is that your one to go to? Yeah.

You have a lot of anthems. You have a lot of anthems. God, look through her shit. I was like going, look at that song. Oh my God. Because I love leaving Las Vegas and it came up my iTunes the other day. No, we. Wow.

And it was without my phone knowing, we know know we're gonna talk this week or did it? Yeah, did it. Yeah, that's really the question and that was that's a monster at that beginning out base and Great song is a huge story about it in your documentary and then also and then you keep going and going your first letterman Back up for Michael Jackson just Just getting that, you kind of skimmed over that in audition for Michael Jackson. How in God's green earth did you sneak in an audition where they didn't go? Your name's not on this list. You were just cute. You ran in and said, I'm next. It's weird. I did a few sessions out there with I started to get a little

bit of work singing jingles, you know, the songs that are in commercials or those that don't know. And I think because I was the new kid in town, I started to get some work and started getting hired and was on a couple of sessions with the same guys. One of them was Darryl Finenysse, who's fantastic singer. And actually it was for Johnny, one of them was for Johnny Mathis. And I overheard him talking to another singer about the jazz intuory. So I asked about it and you had to be recommended by Bruce Swedine or Quincy Jones or Rod Temperton. And of course, I didn't know any of those people. I think I've been in town maybe six months when I first started getting work.

And I found out where it was. And I drove out. It was at a rehearsal space. I want to say SI, I don't think they have that in an L.A. I can't remember what it was called. I drove there and thought, well, what's the worst thing that can happen? So I went and I knocked on the door and I said, they let me in, they asked me what my name was.

I said, I'm Cheryl Crow. I am not recommended, but I over her Darryl fantasy. I mean, I told him straight up. It's good to you through and through. And they said, well, come on in. And they put me on video first. And I said, hey, Michael, my name is Cheryl Crow. I just moved to here.

I was a elementary school teacher. I'm bad here doing sessions and with love, a chance to go on the road and sing backup for you or whatever. And then I got a call from Darryl and he put me with a couple of other singers and we went in and sang together and they hired us. Now, was this supposed to be backup or were we so sing back up? A good idea.

OK. No backup. But you eventually were doing stuff. Sing with me. Well, he had two or three songs that featured females. Like one of them was Man the Mirror, which was Sia to Garrett on the record. Yeah.

Oh, and I can't stop loving you was also. Was that also Sia that I was going to stop loving you? Yeah, that one. ¿Y qué es eso? ¿Es algo que está pasando? ¡Es algo que está pasando! Sí, esa es la cosa. el contenido de tus correos electrónicos se segmentar tu público, entre muchas cosas más adivina menos y vende más con Intuitimale Sim, la marca número 1 en Imelie Marketing e Automatización, empieza hoy mismo en MailSimple.com, vas a vender a tus públicos de marcas competidoras en número globales de clientes en 2021-2022. Es interesante cuando se vea aquí en casa y en su casa y su charo y su personal. Pero cuando It's interesting when you're at home now and you're Cheryl and sweet personable. But when I watch you with Jagger and Michael Jackson, okay, so like these titans and you're

just like going for it. I mean, it is kind of a, it's a personality you put on it. It's fierce and rock starry. I mean, what, that transition, I mean, who was tougher, Jagger or Michael, to keep in their face? Cause they're both really aggressive, dancing with you and you're right, right off top of them. It's pretty cool to see.

Um, Mick Jagger was, I mean, he was far more terrifying, for sure. I mean, I grown up with that guy, right? I grown up with the sticky fingers record and zipping the zipper. I mean, they were like dangerous, like edgy. And they had all this folklore around them, you know? And by the time I got to sing with them, I mean, I'd seen them live a handful of times.

I mean, that was like, that was the bomb. I was so afraid and I threw up all day. I was a nervous wreck. And I think I even talked about the documentary about Bobby Keyes handing me a bottle of tequila right before I went on. The bottle? I ought to have a shot of courage

and the next thing I know, I'm out there with them and yeah, I mean, it's a funny thing and I know you guys know this too. It's like you have this side that has to show up and be fearless. But then you also, I don't know if you guys are like this, as soon as you walk off stage you go, oh my God, I suck. Or I sucked or that was, you know, I want to do it again. I wish I could, you go, oh my God, I suck. Or I sucked. Or that was, you know, I wanna do it again. I wish I could, you know, and it's that, that sort of balance between stepping into it

and then coming away from it and being able to just put it away without rehashing it with all the voices that are in your head that tell you you suck. Do you, I sometimes do it later on. I mean, when you came off from Jagger, really in that moment, did you think I just sucked or did you feel kind of cool? Obviously, the first faces are crew guides or whatever, and they have a range of compliments.

And sometimes they'll change it mid-ward. Or nothing. Hey, that was really good. Or nothing. That was really good. You know, they scoped with grace. You get these little messages. And then if you get someone really high-brow, you crushed it, you crushed it.

Yeah. And then later hours later, I would think, oh, fuck, I missed that. I rushed that. So that. It's a funny, you know, it's a, it's a funny thing. That was such a out-of-body experience that it was hard to even relate to it. Then compound that with, I mean, literally, we didn't even have a hit yet. All I want to do is come out and it was starting to happen.

But I couldn't even process it. But my nature has always been to not think I'm good enough, you know, and I guess that's part of what propels you to work so hard is that you feel like whatever you're doing is never as great as the Rolling Stones or never as great as Stevie Nicks or not to be as great as you think you should or could be. And it's taken me years really to grapple with that. And you know, there's also, you know, you talk about the mental challenges that go along with being an artist or so or somebody who puts themselves out there that shows up. You know, I spend a little time

with Robin Williams for the years. And you look at somebody like that who can open himself up and be so beautifully funny and so just, say me happy. Yeah, but then in their real life, you know, they're struggling and that's the story of a lot of us.

I got to know Robin quite a bit. I know him since the 70s. You know, and they got to know him when we were both up here in marine county for the last five years. And part of what I feel about him is like his shyness and his vulnerability. He would call me boss. He was my idol. And then his powerhouse on stage and really he created this idea of a Shakespearean actor just showing up. And it was just a brilliant concept of like, oh, hey, and you never knew where he was going to go. You know, one thing I wanted to ask you, Cheryl, but David's going to ask question first. Go ahead.

No, I have a question about what to say to people when they get off stage. So I did the, God, why do I think you were here? Andrea, Andrea, I could see charity in Vegas. Maybe you weren't there. So it's just. I might have been there. All these stars go on, right? Okay, yes.

It's comedy. Yeah. I was with Ray Romano. I thought you were my tape. Why do I even think this? Anyway. I was there. Okay, so you were there.

Okay. Yes. That's the knot I met Lance Armstrong. Okay, can I hold him? Oh, I'm just seeing my. Yes. That's not I met Lance Armstrong. Okay, can I own them just see my next question? That's a part of you. The interview. Okay, I'll win through this story first because this one sucks. So there's so they go raise there and you're there. We're all this tape whatever they go. Okay, you're gonna go up then Cheryl then remember, remember. So I have to go up before Ray, and I go after,

do you remember there was like an 11 year old phenom singer from like American Idol or something? Yes, I do. You guys, I do. So I go, they go, she's only doing one song or something. So I'm waiting in the wings, and she goes up, and she does like, I will always love you or something, and she gets a standing ovation, and she walks off,

and I go, hey, get him next time. And then she goes, what? Cause I had to get her fucking head, Cheryl, because you know what? She blew me off the stage and I hate, I couldn't follow her. So I'm like, Hey, tough crowd, huh? And she's like, what? I love your honesty. I love you. I love it. I love it. I love it. Years old. I got to get in there and let her know what the, what's going on? And so then I went on.

She's in on therapy ever She's like did I get a standing ovation ever saying again. Isn't that good? I'm like I mean So then I got up first of all that was embarrassing and then I get up and then I bomb and then I come down And I say to Ray Romano just like comedian to comedian I go hey listen. You're next listen The tables are really far apart They can't hear you in the front. There's kids in the back. There's a bar over here It's just it's the worst case narrow he gets up and kills for 20 minutes straight and I was like

Explained why he's gonna bomb and there's absolutely no way to do well here He doesn't go down for anybody. Have you ever, when I've seen you sing on this documentary, it seems like you, if you have nerves, they never affect your voice. Like if you're terrified with Jagger, you don't hit a bad note, do you, in the whole thing? That's just more mathematical, right? You don't hit a bad note. That size, I've bombed, I have bombed before, I promise.

In fact, I can't hit a bad. That's nice. I've bombed, I have bombed before I promise. In fact, I can remember doing a tribute. I think it might have been, I feel like Neil Young was on it. I don't know. It was a music cares thing. And I thought I need the song, but I didn't know it very well. And I got up and literally could not think of a single word and sang practically the whole song, making up crap. And I remember coming off stage, and John Sacks, who was the head of, uh, the BH one, the head of BH one,

saying something about, wow, I don't know if I've ever heard that when you were in the war. Yeah, I, I definitely had moments of bombing. Oh, yeah. I've had deftifying bombs, you know. Yeah, I've done corporate work Occasion I worked a gun show

I think and all these guys were eating steaks with their backs to me and they would just take my gosh I kind of look up, but you know they pay so much you have to do those comedians are easy They throw you anywhere, but I I'm jealous of musicians because corporate gigs can be tough And then but with musicians you can sort of even if you bomb and quotes you just say you're you just do your song The in-between is kind of awkward because it's crickets. Yeah, but we're doing every line. We're getting feedback that it's not working It's not yeah, I cannot I just can't imagine being a comedian and I love I love the art form. I love comedians and Dave I've never seen you bomb. You've always made me laugh. Oh, that's nice. But you're a sweet person and no, no, that's the truth. I just can't imagine. We did a corporate

gig. No, no, no, we did a virtual gig during the pandemic. And I've never done one of those where you do a concert. In front of like nothing, yeah. There's no like in between songs. It's like, okay, you hit that big last chord and then just crank it. It's like playing in Japan. You look over and just going to the side

just texting, he's like works. He was like, go on, do your next song. I call it comedy waterboarding. I did one with Tony Robbins and he was interviewing me on the zoom and he was so enthusiastic and he had a global audience at all these screens and I would do Tony Fauci or something and go, give it up for dinner, Garry. And then there'd be two minutes of music and I would just be dancing in my room. No laughs. Woo, yeah! I love Tony.

But I was gonna ask you, so the one thing about being hard on yourself and you're still around doing great stuff is that we have data now and there is something about lasting, and putting out cool stuff. And it seems to me that when you really got into the super celebrity thing, it was when you're already

exploding as a superstar, and then you're dating another superstar. And that's when the tabloids went 10.0, right? Oh, yeah, oh yeah, definitely. Yeah, and you know, I think interestingly enough, I had dated people before that were well-known, but there was something about that combo that was just was it was a lot of products. Yeah, it was yeah, I mean, it's like I mean, I wouldn't put myself with JLo and A-Rod, like way up there. But, you know, a combo like that is, it's still learning, I guess. Yeah. Well, because there was Owen, hey, how's it going?

Oh, love Owen. Oh, Owen's the coolest dude. I still communicate with Owen. I absolutely love him. Hey. Just, you know, and I mean, I've been really fortunate, and I don't really have anything bad to say about Lance at all. I have been really fortunate with the people that I've been with, and I wouldn't change

it, you know. Yeah, I think that would be... But I will say one thing, I did dream last night that I married Brad Pitt. You must know Brad pretty well. That's a good plan. I do know him pretty well. You know, I went to college with him. Oh, you did.

Really? It was the girls all love him then. Or what was he like? Well, you know, it's really funny. He's a year younger than me. And I was the song or the, yeah, the song leader at his fraternity, Sigmacan. Yes.

Really? So I went over and I would work with them with their, we had a, what was called Greek wheat or whatever. So I was like their, their coach or whatever. But I knew him from campus running around. I knew the girl he was dating and you're always friendly. He's from Springfield where your daughter is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Always friendly. And I've seen him through the years. He's a good dude. I swear he sort of takes an odd beating out there

over this divorce thing that never ends. But he's, I've never seen him not be cool to people, not be nice to people. He seems like the most down-to-earth. He is a nice person. Big of a star as he is. He gives everybody time. I don't know how he does it. But then, but he keeps getting roughed up.

I mean, that, that's a divorce for you, I guess. I don't know. The, the energy around someone like Brad Pitt, and I think part of his shyness or reclusiveness, and he's not really readily available. And it almost, like Clooney was with Matt Damon and Brad Pitt, and there had some film festival in Europe. And Clooney just said like he and Damon just disappeared as soon as Brad Pitt showed up.

So this is other level of being a true sex symbol and a really brilliant actor is just this 10.0. Well David, you know how that is. Peter sex symbol is very known. Sure I'm glad you brought that up. Because my life arrangement is a struggle. But you know, the truth is also when you're dating, like you were saying, if you date someone in the business,

it's like you almost have to date someone like an Owen because like that song even says, are you strong enough? Like, first of all, the tabloids don't care when you date a normal person. So it's not as big of a deal. And people think you're not even dating. They don't know what's going on. And then they only jump on it.

If it's someone they know and they, and like together it equals like five stars. Yeah. It's like two celebrities equal five. So it's like you see these people on like reality shows together. They make one actual star. So that's when they always date each other. Some of them the bachelor date, some of them this one. Well, the Senate kind of thinks is it isn't an arrangement, David? Is it sort of like, hey, let's date for three months. I'm gonna explode. You two

should get together for six months. That's why I'm gonna marry Brad Pitt because I feel like that'll put me actually at least a five. Oh, you beat you beat you beat you. No, you two guys, people couldn't deal with it. That'd be crazy. I don't want to get married. I love my life. Don't want to get married. That's crazy.

No, I would just want to sleep around. Yeah. All right. Now let's unpack the last part of our podcast. Show pro. I'm going to make sure my kids listen to this podcast. Yeah. All right, now let's unpack the last part of our podcast. Show me. I'm gonna make sure my kids listen to this podcast. Yeah, good. Hey, you know, women should own their sexuality.

They should be able to do that too. They should, but I gotta be honest with you. Nine o'clock at night. Yeah. I'm like, that's like, yeah, that's R.E.M. sleep for me at 9.30. I'm out. If the guy's ready to rally from 8.50 to 9,

if it's not in that window, beat it. Because, yeah, I don't, I'm gonna for me at 9.30. I'm out. If the guy's ready to rally from 8.50 to 9, if it's not in that window, beat it. Yeah, I don't. I'm a winner. I was too sure. During the pandemic, I just went to bed early, got up early. It's hard for a nightclub performer. When you get up at 5.30 in the shows at 10 that night,

you have to wait 18 hours. Oh my gosh. But yeah, I like doing this. Yeah, and Vegas being a dayna to this show. And I do it usually and then he covered for me once and he's like this thing's that fucking ten dude I know and then we do a Q and A at the end so it's it like You get off my midnight. I go is that that's too late right? He's like yeah, and I go yeah, what am I doing? I like seven o'clock shows. I really at this age. I just like I

Don't want you already anyway, you also I really at the stage, I just like, I don't want to party. You also, what's it gonna say? Oh yeah, no, I won't ask you about this, but that there. Ask me anything. No, it's not that exciting. I know I'm not, I'm not.

I, first of all, like that when, in the special, when you said driven, is sort of a negative to women, but I think that it's nice in this day and age when no one really seems to want to work or work hard, that that seems like a trophy to say. I was, you know what I mean? You wear it like a medal. I'm driven meaning I actually want to bust my ass and try really hard to get in a business where it seems like every year that goes by that that's not how it works anymore people want to be given things

Or people want to jump ahead a lot easier and they don't want to work or they don't have to work and so I Love watching that when people put in the hours because it is a hard job to get right And if you take it seriously whether it's stand up or that or any sort of writing you write and do it all and you perform. That's like something so proud of and it's weird when people give it to you like it's a negative. That's a hard thing to take. Yeah, I think for women, the idea of an ambitious woman is such a turn off. Like, for instance, you know, well, it's like a woman gets called a bitch. Yeah. You know, I can remember when,

I mean, this goes way back, but what was the woman, oh my gosh, who ran for president years ago. Sarah Palin, vice president. No, no, no, this way, way, I wanna say Kaffirah, but it's not that. But anyway, there was always a discussion about how ambitious she was and how unlikable, you know, that kind of thing.

And I don't know. I still find that is problematic when you have ambitious man and it's such an admirable trait, but for a woman to be ambitious. And let's face it, you know, if you are the head of a company, or if you're a politician, or a successful woman in general, you have some ambition. And that ambition is fed by, hopefully, the desire

to be really good at something, and the love of doing that, something. And that's positive. That question you were just asking, David, about people not wanting to work hard. I mean, even erasing my boys, I keep having to say to them, look, if you're going to do this, you want to dedicate your energy and your time and your blessed to have resources to be good at this thing that you love because it's

not all about the end product. And it's, I don't know where we're off. Like where, when I was growing up, everybody was middle class. There was no, you know, people weren't rich. And so I grew up idolizing all these amazing musicians and bands. And I felt like I didn't't it wasn't about being famous It was about being great, you know what I mean? So I don't know where we're off. I guess it's really easy to be famous and it's really easy to get rich

So nobody really wants to they don't equate work with becoming famous or work with Yes, it just changed and it's not becoming famous or work with becoming rich. It just changed and it's not anyone's fault. But when you were really, when you're on television as Frank Sinatra, or whoever, or as Stevie Nicks, they were just really great. And now because of social media and instant hits and stuff

and it's very demoralizing for young people, when they see, and I do a guy who opens pickles jars and is making seven figures. Alright, my name is Steve, today we're going to open some nice deals, you know, and he's making seven figures. On YouTube, yeah. YouTube and monetization. Yeah, he's good.

You know. Interesting enough, you know, this comes back to you. So the corporations and the big music publishing companies are now buying artists catalogues. They obviously got Springsteen, they got this. They're not so much buying the more modern product because these anthems, these big songs really monetize well going generationally. You know, like your hits, you know, could are just right here right now.

Strong enough, I mean, they're just, it makes you happy all those. So have you been approached or have you sold your catalog? Well, I sold my catalog, not my songwriters, but I sold my catalog about three albums ago ago because everything was going to streaming. We were approached with the idea that they would start getting placement so that the songs

would be heard more, but I wouldn't lose my songwriters. So I didn't get the giant chunk that like a spring scene or a bubble, you know, Bob Dylan or whatever. What's a songwriter mean though? What do you mean? So you get paid for the, you get paid publishing and you get paid your songwriter. So I split my songwriter with whoever I write my song with

and if I don't write it with somebody, then I take 100% of the songwriters fee or whatever the money that comes in. So when it goes through ASCAP or BMI or wherever it is, some of it goes to the publishing company, some of it goes to the songwriter. But it's interesting now because everything is streaming. You know, we make a penny,

or maybe two pennies every time a song is streamed. So how much of a penny do you get paid for the song? It's nothing. I mean, 100% of a penny is still gonna be a penny, you know? So it's all, it's just ridiculous. And I don't know, I mean, I love that Bruce and Neil and all these people are making hundreds of millions of dollars, but I go, I don't know.

I mean, it's sort of like Bitcoin to me. Do you mean like how does a people buy it, make it back because it's so, is it overpaying? Well, I guess what they do is they sell the right to use that song in a commercial. They stay, they're out there to try to sell it to make money movies and stuff like that. Right. And that's why maybe the album is kind of over for now in a way.

I mean, you're going to release more like just batches of songs or you release. I'm going to release batches of songs, but I mean, that's not for everybody. For me, like I said, I'm 60. Is the new term batches, Dan? Like pancakes, you're going to term batches day and kicks. You're gonna do batches of songs and like batch one. Yeah, the promise land. I liked in the day and in the documentary.

Remember, I think it was toward the end where she, where she said, you came out to somewhere. Maybe it's Bonero. Where's Bonero in Tennessee or something? Yeah. And the people weren't there yet, but by the time you went on, said, you came out to somewhere, maybe as Bonero, where's Bonero in Tennessee or something? Yeah, yeah. And the people weren't there yet, but by the time you went on, first of all, when you said four o'clock,

I was like, I was at one of those festivals and it was like, the Norma Donum went on at noon, I went on it, I luckily went on before Tom Petty, which is great. But it was kind of nighttime, but there were very weird times we went on. It was like all day, but you went on the places packed, and then you said this whole new generation,

when you went to, I think if it makes you happy, which is one of your big mongo hits, that they all knew it, and that's cool. That's the coolest thing is that it keeps going. It's for me like someone's seeing a movie or something that a new generation knows it, and you can't believe, how would you even see it? Because that's something that they, a new generation knows it, and you can't believe how would you even see it because that's something people like,

people who listen to radio go, oh, here's a new Cheryl Krossingger, or here's an old one. Someone had to tell them, and they all know all the words, it's very cool. I mean, it's funny because about maybe five years ago, my manager started talking about, and now you're a legacy artist and I was like,

oh, that's like, okay, I've got my art card. I'm a legacy artist. That's what I'm trying to be. But it's kind of cool. Yeah, I mean, people's kids have grown up. I mean, like I know Bert Bakkerak and I know, yeah, of course, obviously, another Rolling Stones, but I mean, I grew up with parents that played music and all this generation is growing up with parents who grew up with my music and it is a rarefied place to be. It's, you know, it's awesome. Some high school kid today, boy or girl, is going to listen to my favorite music today for the first time and become possessed by it, you know.

I mean, I noticed in your songwriting, which is kind of cool in, you know, Brandy Carlyle talked about it, you're kind of, you're doing these major chords or just this setup. And then it goes in unexpected places. I'm not a musicologist, but seems to go minor or weird that the second parts of your songs are so explosively different. And the setup is kind of kind of I don't know I mean how do you write a melody like that's that part for my my favorite mistake because that's such a cool melody weird

Yeah, I don't know, but I will say I I'm I love I'm so proud of my references like I love the Beatles so much What I know references, like I love the Beatles so much. What? I know. You're guilty. I love the Beatles. And that documentary just, I mean, I binge watched it and then I rewatched the last episode.

And I think a lot of stuff that I wind up writing is osmosis. I mean, I don't know what it's like to write jokes because it seems like, I mean, I'm sure you guys grew up with George Carlin and Richard Prior, all the greats. And I'm sure. Same thing, same thing.

Yeah. So you get a cadence, or you know, you do what they do for a while, and then you go okay now you start hopefully transitioning to who you are and that becomes your thing but you're still standing on the shoulders of all the dudes that wrote the book right? You're like a research paper of your favorite people and you start turning into your own. Yeah this is a horrible question to ask but what Beatles songs kind of speak to you

like off the top of your head? Did you really like it? Okay, I'll just start here there and everywhere. I hear there and everywhere. I mean, that song is amazing, and then you hear Amy Lou Harris do it, and you go, that song is amazing again. Yes.

I mean, that's why their songs are so great. Yesterday is one of my favorite songs, long and winding road is one of my favorite songs. Love by John Linnon is one of my favorite songs, long-awaiting road is one of my favorite songs. Love by John Linnis, one of my favorite songs. Oh, I got married to that. Good stuff in there. I mean, get back, come together. I mean, just, you know, but definitely Blackbird

and yesterday, to me, are the two of the greatest songs ever written. when we did Talked and we got lucky talked to Paul But he said was it yesterday where he says when we goes when he brings it in do you bring it in and go? I got a winner No, you can't you have to walk in and go hey I did a new one if you guys want to hear it and then he said ringo said I Can't put any drums on that. And then John said, I can't put any more guitar on it.

And they said, what do we put strings? And he said, no. That was George Martin. Yeah. And he said, no, we're rock and roll. We don't want strings on it. And I go, oh, get a little bit of the process. Yeah, it was interesting, Cheryl.

And we can cut this out of it over laps, but we did get to talk to Paul. And we're both very nervous. I was on the road, and a road and Wyoming with my family in Montana. Anyway, he, once we started talking about Get Back, he really lit up and I asked him, did John ever thank you for your baselines? And that was like a big thing for him.

And he said, we found our way to come together. And he talked about how John just had one line here come old flat top which was a Chuck Berry song he had to pay for later and then he kind of teased it out of him that he wrote that opener he said to John we got to have an open we can't just go ride in so that became so I go Paul that's one of the best openings of a song ever and then later on he had said we wrote it face to face because he comes in even though it's so Leniny Paul comes in with one a cracker. He got juju I also

Paul his Comprehensive musicality. I think just influenced the band his fingerprints were ever like because he could do the percussion He had a four octave range thing all the harmonies just influenced the band, his fingerprints were ever like, because he could do the percussion. He had a four octave range, seeing all the harmonies. He could play all the keyboards and all the guitars. So anyway, interesting interview, and I couldn't sleep for a week after that, because I kept thinking of what I should have asked.

I see, I would have just left to have been in the room. So I'm in the wall. Listening. Yeah. Listening. Yeah. Listening to you guys interview them. Because that was one of the things about the documentary that may not to be like Al-Wu-Wu and stuff. But watching them in the room and the musicality of all

four of those guys, like Ringo never played anything that didn't feel exactly perfect and right for the song. Yep. For the song. Uh, Paul, I mean, everything he played was not just tasteful, but it was like unique and memorable. I mean, there was so much happening. His his interplay, even the tension between he and George, all of, and then the combination of him and John, and I'm going on. I'm going somewhere with this. We love to talk about the Beatles. There it is.

I mean, I am so, I so believe that there is an energetic component to the universe that brings that together. I mean, because there are too many instances where you just go where in the world did that come from. Or even when you write a song and you go, okay, like my favorite mistake, I felt that way after that song, I felt like, okay, I don't know where that came from. And also I feel like it's already been written because it feels so complete. Such a great moment. There are moments where you go, okay, you can't define what creativity is.

Yeah, you can't really define what inspiration is, but it is a real thing. And that to me is like, okay, that's just God. I mean, however you want to define that energy that is unique to you. And I watched that in that documentary, that energy that, no matter what was happening between them, it all was part of the outcome. I don't know. I just, I guess the older I get, the more I get into the idea that these things aren't accidents, you're tapping into something. Well, Dennis Miller, who's a big beetle fan, he said it this way to me,

because carving, I can understand, you know, let's implement, okay, I get pink Floyd, or you know, you too, and all that. But for the life of me, I can't understand the beetles. How does that happen? And it's like in a bottle, what was sweet about it, Cheryl, and it'll be on the podcast is that he he still has this

This love of John and there was a he loved that Did he you could see them joking around with each other? Yeah, even though John was taking the piss out of him a little bit There was a bit of a competition going on because Paul had long and windy road He was on this up swing. It had a ton of songs. And John had to bring across the universe to the album, which is insane. So I'm glad it's like a left. It's a right. It's too much.

I mean, the amount of hits. You could retire off that one alone. I know. If he just wrote here there and everywhere, he'd be a famous person. But I can see your influence in a good way, but you have your own Cheryl Crowe brand, but I think you do write songs. I'm sure you've, if you've met Paul, and I'm sure he's a fan of your music. That's pretty trippy, right? I don't know. I don't know if he is or not, but it's kind of funny. I did meet him when I was doing

Fallon in the NBC building, and it's funny because I have so many memories. I mean, certainly from doing Saturday Night Live. Oh, that's right. Being in that building and getting some beautiful, you know. Three times on SNL, Cheryl Crowe. Three times on SNL. That's a hard one to do. They have so the choice of anyone at all times

and to get aspects. I had a sleep with Lauren like 11 times. Oh, I've been there. What did Lauren say to you? I'm still sleeping with them. I don't know why. Just I'm in the habit. So you'll be doing if it makes you happy

and that'll be your first song. So any something we've heard of. Oh, maybe. Maybe. Second song, you pick, dealers, choices. Here's what Paul said to me about you Cheryl You know, I got Paul. Who do you like contemporary? You know, I like Cheryl Crow, you know, she's good She's got she's got a good thumpa. She's got a good, you know, bassy and goes good souls and hominis

She's a big vocal a big voice. Sorry Freaking out don't say I'm freaking out just going oh my gosh. I'm sure he loves you. I wish I would have recorded that and then posted it like he actually did say that. You know if it makes you happy while you're so sad you know it's one of those turns John and I would do. It's like a big O course you know make sure happy you think I'll make you happy. Then while you're so sad, it takes the call puts out, you know, and that's what's going to go. You know, get your really, I don't know, okay, I'll do it all day. That's incredible. That sounds, that's incredible. I do it just to be with Paul McCartney. When you call my voice mail and just leave that on there for

least I can use this. It's not here. I know. I can't do it. But um Dana. Yes. I got to tell Sheryl before we Let her leave and go back to she doesn't want to leave. She wants to talk about she doesn't want to leave She I don't I don't want to tell her that when I'm looking over these songs first all I like that I'm trying to look at my favorite ones just for absolutely no reason But if it makes you happy I like that. We're you work in mosquito in that one because Hard to get in the songs. Totally unused pop word. Yeah, it's very, very underused. And I have to say, and this is a dumb story, but when I was with Kid Rock, one of his albums came out,

and this we're hanging out more, and he goes, I think he was up against pink when it came out. I don't know why I remember this, this is probably a lie. But it's so he's driving, you can attest to this. If you're in a car with him, he's playing his album. If you're in his house, he's playing his album. If you're in his anywhere, he's playing a video himself. So he goes, you gotta hear the new album and I go, oh, and then he played the whole thing.

So I don't know as much about music as you or Dana. I don't know. And he's Dana knows a lot of songs. I'm just a fan. So he plays the songs and he goes, this one's the one that comes out first and then this one and this one and then fucking picture comes out. And I know nothing, Cheryl. And I go, that's fucking great.

And I go, play that one again. And he goes, it's with Cheryl. And I go play that one again. And he goes, it's with Cheryl. And I go, God damn, that's catchy. That is so good. And she's so good in it. And he goes, well, that's gonna come later. And if I'm not mistaken, the first two songs did okay and then picture blew the fuck up.

Is that possible? It exploded. It's so good. And you know what? He said, which is funny. He said, actually recorded it. He said, at your recorded it, he said, that's gonna go to number one. I was like, really?

Oh, that's so cool. And he's like, that's gonna go to number one. I'm telling you, it pops up my eye, but all time. And it's so fucking good. And you're so great in it. And I just go, God. And I know he takes a beating out there. But he can sing, man.

He gets it right. And that one, he got right. And he's got a lot of great shit out there. Yeah. And he's got a lot of great beating out there, but he can sing, man. He gets it right, and that one, he got right, and he's got a lot of great shit out there. Yeah, and how did that happen? He had it and came to you, or you had it, came to him, or what happened? Oh no, he had it.

In fact, I didn't write nearly as much on that as he did. I mean, and he's super, like when he's in the studio, he is fearless, man. I mean, he has listened to so much great music and can play a lot of things and you know, he's really masterful of getting his ideas down and he knows it back and forth. He knows. Yeah, he does and he's but he's also you know very savvy when it comes to what he thinks will hit and yeah, you know, it's funny. I used to bust his balls because he goes,

Hey, I got this guy wants me to come play as birthday party. Give me 50 grand to come sing. I go, give you another 50 to get off. Because he'd play, we do karaoke at my birthday party. And he goes, maybe I'll get up with these guys. I'm like, maybe it's it's going to within seconds. So he would sing karaoke. And then that was for the next three hours. See.

We can't wait. I don't know if you ever came down to it. In New York, I think it was in the late 90s. Maybe we would show up once a week at Shine, which was a club downtown. And we do all covers and any given night. Oh my God. How fun. Ike Mills, Stevie Nick sat in with us, Keith Richards sat in with us. Anyway, kid rock came down. And it was the same night that Keith sat in. And he kept yelling

Keith's name, Keith Richards, Keith Richards, and Keith got really mad, like, he's irritating, he's like, good saying my fucking name. And at one point, I'm just like, okay, I'm not sure how to manage, you know, we're doing all these bad 90s covers. But yeah, he's a lot of fun. And I will say that picture is one of the most covered songs that karaoke in the world.

Oh, for sure. And that is, you know, one of my claims of fame. Wow. I'm telling you, it's on top of everything else you've done. And then I was looking at this and I go, oh, that's right. Picture on top of all the stuff. Yeah. So just had to high five you for that one.

That's so good. Got a high five Bobby for that one. Yeah, yeah. He does, he does. I bust his balls all the time, but he is good. Okay, you know traveling world berries, world berries. Yes. So, past and present, if you were gonna make a female super group

who would be in there, I mean, obviously you would put in Stevie, Stevie, you say obviously. I would put in Stevie Nix, most definitely. Super grew 10 out of 10. Yeah, and I would ask Brandy, you know. She loves you, and she's cool. Brandy is amazing, and she's a great songwriter, and she's just a kick-ass chick. Yeah, she's cool.

Who else? It's only three, it's like Nirvana. I know I mean, I'm a little Harris Bonnie would be amazing. Amy would be amazing Linda Ron. So I'm a Ron staff Yes, I mean young wise. I mean, you know the traveling wheelbarries each one of them had a huge full body of Material. Yeah, I mean because there's a lot of young people out there that will be young that you like. Oh, man, I mean, I love Marin. Great songwriter, great performer, great singer.

I love Courtney Barnett. She's amazing. I love the high-em girls. They're great. Who else? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I love Florence and the machine. She's really interesting. There's a young girl on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I left Lawrence in the machine. She's really interesting.

There's a young girl named Cassie, I want to say. Anyway, there's a lot of good young female music out there. Sure. Yeah, it's hard to break through though. I mean, there's just, it's, there's just so much of everything, everything is everything now. Yeah, it's true. What's in your hand?

What's going on down there? Who me? Yeah. Oh, guitar picks. Are you gonna write as soon as this podcast is over, you're gonna pick up one of those guitars and just go fucking crazy and write a masterpiece? Are you writing a song about me and Danny? Yeah, it's just like podcasting with the lady and Joe dirt. What's up lady? What is it? Oh. Did you forget on a play? What is that?

I can't even hear it. I'm a guest and we're in a divin' and hanging up. Well that's not a little patty smith, didn't it? I like it. A little punk to it. We'll get it on TikTok right away. That's cool. Please do.

Yeah. Please get me on TikTok. I know. Is that something they want you to do? Is like try to snip at your song on TikTok? Okay. So the documentary was coming out and Showtime was really helping that I would open a TikTok account and do TikTok.

And my well-veer old was like, Mom, please don't. I'm like, that is so cringey. I'm on TikTok and it's so gross. I'm gonna join it. No, that word cringey though. Yeah, fuck yeah. Doing something that you shouldn't be doing because you're not cool.

It's cringey. Yeah, that's right. I'm thinking of joining it though. I don't know. You are. I don't look at any social media, but I've heard of it. No, Dana isn't looking.

He gets comments and I have to answer for him because they go, hey, what is Dana thinking? I go, Dana would probably. I don't see, look at anything, but I do, from what I understand, the New York. You should do TikTok. You would be huge. Well, thank you.

Okay, I'm saying that and I don't. Thank you, Cheryl. You don't know anything. I don't know anything. I don't know. I was reading the next one. New York Times had a 20 page article on what is TikTok? Thank you, Cheryl. You don't know anything. I don't know exactly. I don't know. I don't know. I was reading the next one. New York Times had a 20-page article on what is TikTok.

So essentially, I got the idea that Rhypnick Musicality is shared. Like you make something, like if I did jump Buckleley, then other people take it and go with it. So I don't know. If it is about audio, musicality, catchphrase. Shopping broccoli could work. Shhh, yeah. Shhh, yeah. Shhh, yeah can musicality catch phrase. Broccoli could work. Chef Cheryl knows what it is.

I do. I know. I do. Chopped and broccoli. Yeah, I've said that in my kitchen to my boys and they look at me like, what? We got to get your boys up to speed, man. Oh, my kids don't like me. I know, I try to turn them on to all the good stuff.

Don't think I'm funny. They just show me to make a watch. They gotta make a watch. Joder and bench warmers. Oh, to make a watch. I'm going to make a watch. I'm going to make a watch. I'm going to make a watch. I'm going to make a watch. I'm going to make a watch.

I'm going to make a watch. I'm going to make a watch. I'm going to make a watch. I'm going to make a watch. I'm going to make a watch. I'm going to make a watch. I'm going to make a watch. I'm going to make a watch.

I'm going to make a watch. I'm going to make a watch. I'm going to make a watch. I'm going to make a watch. I'm going to make a watch. I'm going to make a watch. I'm going to make a watch. I'm going to make a watch. I'm going to make a watch. I'm going to make a watch. I'm going to make a watch. I'm going to make a watch. So Cheryl, you'll be at the 50th for SNL in three years, the 50th anniversary.

I hope so. I hope I'm invited. You're kidding? Dave and I have an end. Dave is plus one. I'd like to do a sketch with you. And then next time we go to down there, we'll make Cheryl come out to the show. Hey, would y'all please let me know

if you ever come to Nashville. I'm your buddy. I know, but I didn't, I didn't go. I definitely love Nashville. I, we think about moving there all the time. That's just cool. I mean, it's cool. Just don't come here in buy house.

Oh, California, come on out to take home. California's making the prices go up. That kind of thing, interlopers. Oh my gosh, you have no idea. Montana, I'm from Montana, it's all going on up there. All the billionaires are coming in. I'll take five of those. There's a great comedian, Theo Vaughan,

one of my good buddies lives out there. So when I go see him, I'll play the rhymin and then I'll make you come down. Please. How many seats is the rhymin? I want to go in there and rock that place. How much is it? It's amazing. I took that play at once. Yes, yes. 20th summer. I did play at once. It used to be grant. Was it the gran old opera? Or am I being stupid?

It was the gran old opera and before that it was a church way, way early. For that it was a waterburger. I played it. I played it and I came off stage and Cheryl happened to be there and she goes that was that was good That was so you really went out there didn't you she goes ah they're a little tight Why do we have all this self-loathing what the fuck is going on here's the one to say Dana when you know what it weird When Cheryl gets off I'm gonna go fuck that crowd I'm gonna get in the feed and you go go wait. I thought they did good. You know they liked me No, they were tough. No, that was a hard crowd man. No, we'll get them

We'll get a better position and cry myself to sleep with questions. I should have done better No, you are You're the best podcast I've ever done ever. Thank you. Thank you. We love you You know she's really good on the podcast she's gonna be straightforward you don't have to play any games I do Paul now I actually write songs as Paul okay when you interview Paul did you do Paul oh yeah did you do it I didn't a little bit I was a little I couldn't you know I was trying I didn't want to piss him off but

I did interview paralysis yeah I was like I'm Dana's yoko I mean there's just so many things you're scared to say to him because you know he he seems very light on his feet but you just he's too respected you can't risk he was he's a sir right yeah he's too it's too big a deal we didn't go there with a sir. At first I read a lot of liver puddle in phrases. So I said, did you have your brecky? You're brecky. But he was just waking up.

He had a cup of coffee. I don't think you knew what I was talking about. That's breakfast in liver puddle in language. A scouser. You know, we had a good time. This is him now. We did some things. We chose.

He got into it. He got into we did some things. We chose him. He got into it. He got into it toward the end. We loved it, but yeah, we were getting stuff from me, Cheryl. It was just electrifying. And he wanted to talk about the Beatles the whole time. Oh my God. I just know that to begin.

You hear it. Stop. All right. So anyway. All right, let her go back to her. Cheryl, everybody loves you. You're a great artist. I don't like you don't legacy What's that and you know you're a Nashville you're like a teenager? Yeah, you know

A teen really in Country music does not have an age. That's what's brilliant about it No, it's true. It does not yeah, you do pop rock, yeah, you do every style, but you also can do country. I have to say I feel like I'm in my 20s. You look like you're really like doing podcasts because as far as your listening audience knows, I look like I'm in my 20s. There. I said it. You look great. Your voice is still raspy and sexy and then your singing is still perfect. Because I'm still smoking like a fain. You're staying really fit.

Even when you were touring, I was gonna ask how you stayed so fit throughout your career. Because using a tour a lot, you know. I mean, I have to admit, it is genetic. What? Yes, it's genetic. I'm from a long line of petite, small, petite, wirey people.

So you don't gain weight, and you work out on stage when you're out there. I work out on stage and I'm very, I mean, I get up in the morning and I do not sit down. I mean, I'm always doing.

Her backstage rider is five trisks and a slim gym. And that's all I get. That's it. And one five hour energy. That's mine. That's mine. All right, Cheryl, let's let her go. Yeah. She's been too nice. Thank you. Bye, bye, Cheryl. It's good to see you all. We'll see you soon. I'm sure in that. So call me when you come to Nashville. We'll do. Okay, bye. Bye, Cheryl. Love. I love you. Love you. Hey, what's up flies? What's up, Blaze? What's up people that listen? We want to hear from you and your dumb questions. Questions ask us anything. Anything you want. You can email us at flyinthewall at katens13.com

If it makes you have. Can I have a look at the question? Just you tell me. Okay. This from Ryan Sozen. Hi, Ryan. Hi, David and Dana. Okay.

Here is for Bay. I know you like a little ego boost to start. So love the show. They did say that. Yeah. It's funny. Yeah. I was wondering why you both chose stand up over improv and root to SNL.

Did you consider improv? What makes a funny person more successful at one over the other? That's a two-parter. Yeah. Okay, I would say improv is harder for me. I'm pretty good on my feet, but to go those improv freeze tag games and things you do, we would do it at the end of a comedy show once in a blue moon in Arizona at Anderson's Fifth

Estate. And they would get up for the host and all the comics get up and the crowd would yell out, but it was like, freeze, then you go, and then you go, oh, holy superglue about man, you know, my hand is stuck here. But there was, I could see that they were doing like the same kind of ones. Well, stocked prom. I believe in improv. Yeah, stocked prom. Group don't even have an improv group. I've been hoping for the first night.

It's like people are yelling out movie styles. Like Woody Allen and they all go, it's true, you know, you're great. No, you know, great. And then the next night they yell, Woody Allen, they're all going, it's true, you know, I go, this is not improv.

It's stocked. It's stocked. Yeah, that's hard though. It's hard to do improv, real improv, when I watch whose line is anyway. It's just different muscles. Stand up is one thing. It's written mostly and improv is improv, but they can both get you on SNL. They can both help you. I would say for me, I might have, if I was in LA and got a whole or the groundlings, they didn't have stuff like that in San Francisco,

so I didn't know about it. I think I might have joined it. Sometimes the problem is some of the, not top tier ones will say, oh, come on, oh, you're really good for 500, you can join this level and then they keep getting 500 on the next level. And they're just letting anybody do it. It's like, amway. Yeah, and it's just bringing a friend and a 10%. And you know, at the end of the year out,

10 gram, you can go,, oh holy super glue, Batman. I was trying to do sketch my whole life, but I was in Hunky-Tonk Bar, so it was like really hard. You know, and it took me three years to say, I'm gonna be another character for a minute. And it was like, I had sung last time, I'll be cosy didn't like it. Well, cause I was terrified of, it was just scary.

I had a character called Dana Babe. Oh, you're fabulous. It was my first care. I put sunglasses on. I was horrible, but that's where I got the guts to do sketch. Sketch stand up, I call it. All right, next week we're gonna do a whole FL on Dana Babe. Oh, flash dory.

There was in the other cafe and the people who were headlining there got sandwiches and there was the Dana Bay sandwich. Oh, I'm kidding. I think there's a picture somewhere. There's a Joe DePizza down at Mutsin. Dana Bay, my boy. Big yellow goggle sunglasses. All right, thank you for that question.

Thank you. I really appreciate it. Keep sending. Ryan. This has been a podcast presentation of Cadence 13. Please listen, then rate, review, and follow all episodes. Available now for free wherever you get your podcast. No joke, folks.

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