Follow Him: A Come, Follow Me Podcast - 1 Nephi 1-5 Part 1 • Dr. John Hilton III • Jan 8 - Jan 14 • Come Follow Me
Episode Date: January 3, 2024How does recognizing Jesus Christ’s voice in the Book of Mormon change our personal study? Dr. John Hilton III explores new and familiar territory in the beginning of 1 Nephi and teaches us new stud...y techniques to enhance our testimonies of Jesus Christ.Show Notes (English, French, Spanish, Portuguese): https://followhim.co/book-of-mormon-episodes-1-13/Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/follow-him-a-come-follow-me-podcast/id1545433056YouTube: https://youtu.be/FdkPFEUKrSwInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/followhimpodcastSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/15G9TTz8yLp0dQyEcBQ8BYPlease rate and review the podcast!00:00 Part 1–Dr. John Hilton III02:00 Introduction of guest02:52 Voices in the Book of Mormon and “The Book of Mormon: A Masterclass”06:15 A family story07:50 Dr. Hilton shares a personal story about study10:26 Hank shares a personal study about listening vs. reading12:51 Time studying vs. amount studying14:49 Steve Sorensen and memorizing verses of the Book of Mormon16:30 Writing things down and using various study techniques18:01 Nephi begins his record20:14 The importance of keeping records23:17 President Eyring on keeping records26:23 Lehi’s Jerusalem and how prophets pray29:58 Powerful phrases and mining for gold31:32 Focus on Jesus Christ when studying scriptures34:15 President Jeffrey Holland’s Christ and the New Covenant36:13 Safety in listening to the Lord’s prophets38:35 Elder Bednar and “The Tender Mercies of the Lord”40:25 Hank’s talk “He Knows You”42:44 Lehi and his family leave Jerusalem46:22 Dr. Hilton shares a personal story about traveling in Israel47:33 Teaching children and keeping eternal perspective51:29 President Eyring “To My Grandchildren”55:52: End of Part I–Dr. John Hilton IIIThanks to the followHIM team:Shannon Sorensen: Cofounder, Executive Producer, SponsorDavid & Verla Sorensen: SponsorsDr. Hank Smith: Co-hostJohn Bytheway: Co-hostDavid Perry: ProducerKyle Nelson: Marketing, SponsorLisa Spice: Client Relations, Editor, Show NotesJamie Neilson: Social Media, Graphic DesignAnnabelle Sorensen: Creative Project ManagerWill Stoughton: Video EditorKrystal Roberts: Translation Team, English & French Transcripts, WebsiteAriel Cuadra: Spanish Transcripts"Let Zion in Her Beauty Rise" by Marshall McDonaldhttps://www.marshallmcdonaldmusic.com
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Hello, my friends. Welcome to another episode of Follow Him. My name is Hank Smith. I'm your host. I'm here with my Goodly cohost.
John, by the way, welcome, John. Thank you.
I Hank having had a Goodly cohost. Therefore, I was taught somewhat in all the humor of my cohost.
John, welcome to another episode. We're on our second episode of the Book of Mormon.
We had a great time last week with Dr. Woodward
and Dr. Griffiths.
Tell me what you're looking forward to today.
We're actually jumping into the text.
It's just such a fun, interesting family story
where people are gaining testimonies at different times
of what's going on and it's fun to see how each person deals
with what Lehigh is saying we got to do.
I'm just looking forward to watching this family story unfold here at the very beginning.
Yeah, I would say that most of our listeners are pretty familiar with first Nephi.
We're revisiting some things that many people have read before, but I'm excited this year
just in general to see things I've never seen before.
That's often what our guests bring.
Not just reading these scriptures that we've read before, but new insights, new angles,
new ways of looking at it.
Speaking of wonderful guests and old friends, we are joined by an incredible individual who
I love and adore.
His name is John Hilton III.
He's so great they made three of them.
John, what are we looking forward to today as we jump into the book of Mormon?
Well, I love that we're going to see several patterns, things that come up over and over
again, Nephi talking about the importance of records.
And we'll see some scriptural themes around doing and knowing. Sometimes knowing
drives the doing, sometimes doing, will drive the knowing. And ultimately, like John, by
the way, said, we'll see a story of a family with not everything going perfectly all the
time, which I think is really helpful for all of us who live in a very imperfect world.
Hey, goodly, John. John Hilton is not new to our podcast. He's been here many times. He's going to be here many times in the future.
But for maybe those who are new or have forgotten, why don't you tell our audience all about him?
Yes. We're delighted to have John Hilton the third. He's a professor of religious education at Brigham Young University.
He's published several books. His latest, it's called Voices in the Book of Mormon. I think it's behind him there.
He also has a free online course.
We want everybody to know about called the Book of Mormon, a master class.
Can you tell us more about that?
It's free.
You can access it through my website, John Hilton, ii.com or it's on YouTube or wherever
you get your podcasts.
You can look up Book of Mormon masterclass.
We walk through First Nephi one through Murony chapter 10.
What a treat because John is a master teacher.
John, tell us more about the book,
Voices in the Book of Mormon.
It's something I'm super excited about.
Many years ago, my grandfather studied word prints
in the Book of Mormon.
Some people might be familiar with word prints kind of statistically different patterns
and how people speak.
Once I became a religion professor at BYU, I started picking up some of the threads of that
research.
And it's really fascinating to see distinctive voices.
We'll look at Nephi's voice mostly today.
But when we get to Jacob, who speaks both in second Nephi and in the book of Jacob,
his voice is statistically different than Nephi's. Here's just one simple little example. Think of the words God and Lord. For me, I
would think of those as interchangeable terms, but Jacob uses the word God more often than Lord, and Nephi is the reverse.
When you look at 2 Nephi 9 and 10, this is right in the middle of all of Nephi's writings,
but it's Jacob who's speaking, and in those two chapters you get God way more than
Lord, whereas in 2 Nephi 4, 5, 11, when Nephi speaking, you get Lord more than God.
I definitely wouldn't base my testimony of the book of Mormon on
little statistical nuances like this, but it's really cool. And some of them are, I think,
more intricate. Like Jacob will use the word anxiety more than any other person in the book of Mormon.
And by looking specifically with the lens of the voice of the person who's speaking,
you start to feel the distinctive witnesses of Jesus
Christ. These are unique individuals. This isn't just a book I'm reading. I'm reading several books
authored by individuals. And to me, that's really helped the book and Mormon shine in a new light.
Oh, that's amazing. In fact, a lot of them will use words that no one else uses in the whole book.
One today from Nephi, so the phrase, my soul delighteth. Nephi uses that phrase 11 times across
several different chapters, but he's the only person in the Book of Mormon who says that.
I think about some of your friends, you could probably identify certain slang vocabulary
that your friends use all the time. You're like, oh, that sounds like Hank.
Oh, that sounds like John.
You see the same thing in the book, Mormon, with some of these subtle phrases that either
people exclusively use or use way more than others.
I definitely notice when we switch John from the record of Nephi and his descendants
to Mosiah, words of Mormon and Mosiah. I mean, there's an absolute completely different person
talking.
It's one of those little nuances where you,
last week with Scott and Casey,
we're talking about the translation process
of the Book of Mormon it's coming forth.
There's no way that Joseph Smith
with the limited education he had,
and especially in the manner in which
the Book of Mormon is translated.
There's no way that these subtle differences
of narrators having different voices could have been created by him.
Absolutely. And another thing that's interesting is this part we're going through today was one
of the last parts to be translated because we lost the book of Lehigh. If he were making this
stuff, you have to do it out of order. Yeah. It's just crazy. All right, goodly John and J.H.3, as I called him, John
Hilton III. Let me read a little bit from the Come Follow Me manual and then let's jump
in and see where you want to go. The Book of Mormon begins with an account of a real
family experiencing real struggles. It happened in 600 BC, but there are things about this
account that might seem familiar to families today.
This family was living in a world of wickedness, but the Lord promised them that if they
would follow him, kind of like that part of the man, if they would follow him, he would
lead them to safety.
Along the way, they had good moments and bad moments, great blessings and miracles, but
they have arguments and contention.
Rarely in scriptures, there's such a detailed account of a family,
trying to live the gospel. Parents struggling to inspire faith in their family and worrying
about their safety, children deciding if they will believe their parents and brothers dealing
with jealousy and contention, and sometimes forgiving each other. Overall, there is power in this
imperfect family's examples of faith.
With that, John, how do I approach this book to get the most out of it?
Well, first of all, I think we should point out that the paragraph you just read from the
manual is so beautiful.
One time I heard someone say, if you want to hide the secrets of the kingdom somewhere, put
it in the church manual, because no one's going to read it.
I think, especially now that they've condensed the four come follow me manuals into this one manual. This is a good reminder that the
come follow me manual can be a great asset in our scripture study. There's probably questions
that we're going to have and questions we might not think of that will be guided to from
the manual. But ultimately it's not the manual, it's not the follow him podcast, it's not any master class,
it's our personal engagement with the Book of Mormon that will make the difference.
And I want to start out by sharing an experience that happened to me my freshman year in college.
I had two back then home teachers, ministering brothers. They came and they knocked on my door
at the start of winter semester and they shared a message from President Ezra Tafvenson. He said, there is a power in the Book of Mormon, which will
flow into your lives the moment you begin a serious study of it. And then he gave these promises.
You will find greater power to resist temptation. You will find the power to avoid deception.
You will find the power to stay on the straight and narrow path.
Would you begin to hunger and thirst after those words you will find life in greater and greater abundance?
As soon as my home teacher shared this with me, I realized that although I'd had a habit of reading a chapter or two each day from the book Moran for a long time.
I wasn't seriously studying it.
That winter semester, I started to seriously study
the book Moran men.
And the promises that President Benson talked about,
they came true for me.
I felt a power flow into my life,
a spiritual power and a connection with Jesus Christ.
My guess is that we will never have had a time in the history of the church when so many people
have the opportunity to seriously study the Book of Mormon.
Before we even dive into 1st Nephi 1, verse 1, I'd love to hear your thoughts, John, and Hank.
What do you see as the difference between reading the Book of Mormon and a serious study of the book of Mormon.
Yeah, I love this idea. We talked briefly in our last podcast about different approaches
we have to try to get people to read the book of Mormon. Do you remember that Hank? A guilt
or shame or bribery, but Gerald Lund suggested promises and he read that as a Tath Benson
quote and mentioned that the promises are immediate.
I mean, what a president meant to say, the moment you begin a serious study of the book.
We can go from a casual reader to a serious student.
So maybe that first part is focus, deciding, I want to seriously study this.
That changes the way we read.
Maybe it's not an allotted time or an allotted
chapter, a slow study looking at footnotes, underlining things. My son has been following
with Elder Bednar said, get a new copy and go through it looking for an answer to a
specific thing. Go get another copy next year and look for that specific thing and that
makes you a serious
student. I like what you've both said here. John, as you said, never before in the history of the
church have so many people have this opportunity. And I thought how much content there is available.
I like to make my little 20-minute commute to work, a little gospel study rather than listening to music. I usually
will listen to someone talk about Scripture. I remember once in a word that I was in years and
years ago, but I distinctly remember this. A man came to church. He'd never been before. His
wife had always come along. He was a truck driver, and he went up to the stand in Fast and Testimony meeting.
I'd never seen this man before.
He said, I don't read.
It's not something that he does.
He said, I don't read.
But somebody got him, this was a long time ago, someone got him the cassettes of the book
of Mormon, someone reading the book of Mormon.
And usually he listened to whatever on the radio, but he decided to listen to those cassettes. And he said, just driving his truck, listening to someone read the book of Mormon, he received
a powerful witness, an overwhelming witness of the book.
And I thought, that's amazing.
I would think you'd have to be sitting with the book and reading it, but the text, the
ideas, the spirit can definitely travel through that.
I would encourage everyone to make their car time.
I mean, how much time do we all spend in the car?
Make your time in your vehicle this year about the Book of Mormon.
Whether it be a podcast, a class, or listening to the text itself, a special shout out to all
those who are right now listening to this podcast in your car.
Oh, yeah. Anyone who's listening right now with my kids this year will be spending hours in the car driving to the grocery store and driving to family and other events.
Why not make that time about the book of Mormon and they'll get used to it.
John, don't you think that same power can come into my life? I don't know if I'd call that a serious study,
but it's an increased study.
I love those suggestions.
I think we all agree that what's gonna work
will be different for every family.
We definitely don't want anyone to feel guilty
if your three-year-olds are throwing Cheerios at you
when you turn on the Book of Mormon instead of,
you know, their favorite music and you're like,
oh, I guess we just have to do that.
No, part of it is the mindset.
I love in your commuting example, Hank,
you just had the mindset.
There's stuff I might wanna listen to,
but I'm gonna focus on the book and more.
For me, one quote that's been really influential
in my serious study of the scriptures
comes from Elder Detod Christopherson.
He said, you should care more about the amount of time you spend in the scriptures than the
amount you read in that time. What I used to do, I'd read a chapter or two each day from the book
and Mormon, but if my favorite TV show was about to come on, I'd just be like, this is, you know,
kind of like speed read through it. But for me, having a specific amount of time where I know I'm
going to dedicate this amount of time where I know I'm going to dedicate
this amount of time each data scripture study helps me to do what you were saying,
jump, slow down, mark the cross references because it's not a race. And in fact,
continue with elder Christopherson, he said, I see you sometimes reading a few verses,
stopping to ponder them, carefully reading the verses again, and as you think
about what they mean, praying for understanding, asking questions in your mind, waiting for
spiritual impressions, and writing down the impressions and insights that come so you
will remember and learn more.
And then Elder Christopherson finished by saying, studying in this way, you may not read a lot of chapters
or verses and a half hour,
but you will be giving place in your heart
for the word of God.
And he will be speaking to you.
For me personally, it's been really helpful to pray
and to talk with Heavenly Father and say something like,
look, I wanna do your will all the time.
I'm very busy, I have lots of commitments I'm juggling.
Help me to know about how much time should I plan to spend each day in Thy Word.
The specific amount of time I've spent at least in my life is varied from season to season.
But then that really helps me to prioritize a sacred amount of time each day that I'll devote to
a serious study of the book Mormon that I'll devote to a serious study
of the Book of Mormon. That's been something that's been helpful for me.
That's awesome. I want to tell you both this story at the funeral of our founder, Steve Sonson.
Many of his eight children that spoke talked about memorizing scriptures from the Book of Mormon,
that that's what their dad would have them do. And I remember one specific story. It was Benjamin who was trying to memorize the scripture,
and he had to pass it off to his mom, Shannon, who's our executive producer. And he didn't want to go
all the way up the stairs. So he shouted up the stairs, his memorized verse. This is 3rd Nephi 5,
5, 13. I picture this, you know, little boy shouting up to his mom, behold, I am a disciple of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
I have been called of him to declare his word among his people that they might have everlasting life.
I just love that idea. That's part of your serious study. It is choosing for your children a number of verses to
memorize and pass off. All of this is what we're talking about, right John?
to memorize and pass off. All of this is what we're talking about, right John?
Beautiful, yep, I agree.
And again, I want to emphasize that a serious study
will look different for each individual.
This is someone that we can pray about
and think about what's best for our own families.
Even just as we've been talking,
I've had ideas for how in my family,
we can level up in our Book of Mormon study.
And if you're sensing that there's a time for leveling up, this is the time.
Yeah.
I'm glad what you're both saying, John, might look different for different families.
I would hate for anybody to feel like, oh, I'm doing it wrong.
If you're doing anything, that's awesome.
But figure out how, I like what you said, to level up.
Maybe I can take this a notch not hire a little bit better. And what a great year to try that in this come
follow me year of Book Mormon.
That's how I feel. I just feel a sense of excitement as we're starting out
2024. Maybe two other ideas that I'll throw out there real quick and
maybe we'll develop them a little bit more throughout the day. One is to
write things down. I think keeping a record of what we're learning. I feel
like it sends a signal to God
that we care about what we're studying.
Whether that's typing notes on my computer
or little annotations in the Gospel library app
or writing something in the margin of the scriptures,
some kind of keeping a record, a scripture journal,
can be really valuable.
And I also think it's helpful to use different study techniques.
You guys are both masters of this, and maybe as we work our way through the text today,
some of that will naturally come up.
But I think if we just take different approaches to our scripture study that can help keep it
alive, fun, and energetic, and also help us find new insights.
And this will be different for every person, every individual, every family, because we
have many people who are going to study the book
Mormon absolutely alone this year. Maybe you're a young single adult or a single in the church,
and it's just you in the book this year. It can still be a powerful moment, even if it's not with a
big group. But add a way to finish. So often, reading the scriptures can be like a New Year's resolution
that loses its umph sometime in January January or February. So maybe add away
an end goal or a chart or something that you fill out along the way to make sure you get
all the way to the end of the row. We want to give Moroni his due time.
It's a great reminder that whether we're studying individually or as a family, this is a book
that has a message for us. Okay, well let's dive into 1st Nephi, chapter 1, verse 1.
My guess is that we all have the first few words memorized.
I, Nephi, having been born of goodly parents.
Even in just those first two words, that probably takes us to a different place than we've
been in for much of the past two years.
We've been studying the Old Testament and New Testament.
In many of those books, the author is anonymous.
You don't hear, I math you, having been a public end, I give you a record. We don't start
out that way. We don't hear, I, Ezra, who am writing the book of First Kings. We don't
hear any of this. So the book in Mormon takes us to a new world where Nephi is telling
us, I'm a real person. And later on, we'll find out that Nephi is probably
about 50 years old when he's writing first Nephi.
When I was younger, I'd imagine this was his daily journal,
but that's not the case.
He's now 50 years old looking back at his life,
telling us about it.
Even already, just in the first couple of words,
there's little nuggets and details.
John, that's just a crucial thing to keep in mind because you're going to write
differently than if you're doing it day by day journal versus looking back.
Those are two different records.
If we see this happening, we can say, what does he know is going to happen over
the next 40 years, 30 years, and how does that play into the way he writes?
Just a crucial point, I'm sure we'll bring it up later, but I think you brought up something that is critical
to understanding the book.
The three of us sitting here have taught the Bible.
We love it.
We just got done with New Testament year before that, the Old Testament.
There's a different tone of voice.
I like to tell my students, it has a personality and it's kind of a, I saw you type of thing. And I'm talking to you, like you said, John, this is Nephi.
This is first person. And later on, we'll start hearing Mormon abridging. And then finally,
he introduces himself with that verse that Hank referenced at the Sorns and Family. When
Mormon says, hi, I'm Mormon, I'm the voice you've been listening to this whole time. I'm a disciple
of Christ. This book was written with us in mind
and they talked to us so directly. It's a different way to read it and to hear it than what we're used to in the old and the new
Testament. Yeah, I love it. I'm going to jump down towards the end of verse one and I'll read the end of verse one through verse three and see if you
notice the pattern that I found. Having had great knowledge of the goodness and mysteries of God, therefore I make a record
of my proceedings in my day.
Yay, I make a record in the language of my father, which consists of the learning of the
Jews and the language of the Egyptians.
And I know that the record which I make is true, and I make it with my own hand.
You guys picking up what Nephi cares about. If you want
something to look for as you go through the Book of Mormon, records would be a great theme.
To look up one time, my wife was in a class called Keys to Successful Scripture Study,
and her professor was talking about the emphasis of records in the Book of Mormon. So she decided
to go through and she created a little
mark, like a little gold plate. She would just write in every time there was a reference to records.
And I remember when we got married, I was looking at her scripture, just seeing all these little
rectangles everywhere throughout her scriptures. Just in the first three verses, you can tell me
five cares about records. If I just think about these chapters, first Nephi chapters one through five,
in a little bit, Lehigh is going to be given a book.
And then the whole storyline of first Nephi three and four
is going back to get sacred records.
And then as soon as Nephi and his brothers return
with the brass plates,
the first things they do is they search those records.
Up front, foregrounded for us is the importance of records.
And to me, that's going back to what we talked about at the very beginning,
and other motivation to seriously be studying the book of Mormon.
John, as you're talking about records, I notice how Nephi starts.
He says, I, Nephi, having been born of goodly parents,
and we talked about how this is written long after the fact.
And I thought of all the different ways he could start his record.
I, Nephi, king of my people.
He could definitely start that way.
I, Nephi, builder of temples.
He's done that.
I, Nephi, slayer of Laban.
He could start with so many things that are focused on I, Nephi, me.
Instead, it's I, Nephi, I have good parents.
I love how nifi
acknowledges that it wasn't just him that got him where he is i-neify have had people help me get to where i am that's how i'm going to start i love that when i think about my own journal how often do
i talk about me versus how often do i talk about those who have helped me oh that's a great nugget
i love that i've never thought of it that way that's a great nugget. I love that.
I've never thought of it that way.
That's a great insight.
I think there's one thing for us to consider up front.
Nephi is writing a record.
So when we think about the big picture theme of records
in the Book of Mormon, we can either think of reading
or writing.
We'll talk more about reading throughout our time together
today.
It's one take a moment on writing writing because I used to be a great
journalist and in the past year I have become weaker and weaker in my journaling to the
point where I'm afraid to go back to my journal because I have to confess how long it's been
since I've written.
And I don't know if any of you have any tips for keeping a record.
Recently I remembered the quote from President
Iring, his talk, Oh, remember, remember where he says that he would write down
at something like a tender mercy every day. So I thought to myself, okay, I'm
going to do that. I'm going to start writing a tender mercy every day. And
literally this morning, as I was trying to write my tender mercy, I went to my
phone four different times to open the notes app. And then I'd be, oh, look, a new
email. Oh, look, I wonder if I should see, you know, this notes app. And then I'd be, oh, look, a new email.
Oh, look, I wonder if I should see, you know, this or that.
And it took me almost an hour of continually
forgetting and remembering, oh yeah, I really want to do this.
So what are some of your tips for keeping that record?
Well, first of all, I'll try to stop texting you
early in the morning.
I know that you're doing your journaling.
I'll try to avoid that.
You know what?
I try to use the tools that I have in front of me
because obviously sitting down with the journal
is not something that happens naturally for me.
I'll use my phone quite a bit,
say we're at a significant moment with our family.
It's a birthday party or we're just
had a great scripture study.
I'll grab my phone and I'll hit video and I'll say,
okay, what day is it? And I'll have someone
give us the date and my kids get tired of this. It's 2024, it's January 24. Okay, what
just happened? And then I hope that one day, as I build up dozens and dozens of these
videos that I can compile them and create our own little video record. I know it's not
written, but it's still record keeping. I love that. How do you jump? Any tips?
Well, I appreciate hearing both of you say that because I'm kind of a slacker myself. The thing
you said about I have the tool right in front of me because I just have put things in notes, but I
love the idea of making a video with the family. It's so fun to watch the kids grow and look at you
then and look at you now. And I forget I have a video camera in my, I thought it was a phone.
All these years, I thought that thing was a phone.
And I really use it as a phone, you know?
Yeah.
No one called me.
Don't call me.
That's all I use my phone for.
Right.
Like we were talking about this year, 2024 might be a great time to level up
in our serious study of records.
We can search them like Lehigh and his family are going to do in first Nephi five instead of
just read them. Maybe there's a way that we can level up in our keeping of records as well.
I think that's part of the lesson we can learn from Nephi upfront as he's telling us about this
record that he's creating. And it's blessed our lives. And who knows what lives will be blessed
by the records we keep,
whether that's writing things down,
making those videos, finding ways to share
what we've learned with those of future generations.
Now, in our first 25 minutes, Johns,
we have overwhelmed our listeners with,
do this, do this, do this, and do this.
We don't want anybody to turn off the podcast right now
of thinking, I can't do all that. They're just going to give me
another 25 things to do. I think you would both agree something, do something in this direction.
Absolutely. But don't be overwhelmed. Don't make it hard. This is a joyful. This is fun.
Now, make it fun. Make it fun. Do what's fun. Do what comes natural to you. As you go on to verse four,
and it came to pass in the commencement of the first year of the reign of Zedekaya,
King of Judah. Now, right there, my guess is that many of us, we've just brushed by this verse before,
but maybe some of us now can remember back a year or two ago when we were studying second kings
and Jeremiah.
You could even go back and listen to the last episode for second Kings,
or from Jeremiah, where we learn about Zedekaya.
He's a real person.
It's fun to see this Book of Mormon connection.
In fact, there's a book and we'll link to it in the show notes.
It's called Glimpses of Lehigh's Jerusalem.
It's a scholarly book that tells us a lot of the
background in history of 600 BC. So if you're kind of interested in that digging deeper, consider
that Zedekaya. Later we'll see the name Jeremiah. These are real individuals and Nephi and Lehigh
are working in the same space that they are in. If anybody's wondering, show notes are available. Follow him.co.
In verse 5, this is one of my favorite verses as we get started, wherefore it came to pass
that my father, Lehigh, as he went forth, prayed unto the Lord, ye, even with all his heart
in behalf of his people. One of my favorite lessons from the Book of Mormon is what we
can learn from how prophets pray. One time I heard a general authority to state conference say,
we would learn a lot if we read the Book of Mormon specifically looking for what it is prophets do
as they pray. So I created a spreadsheet and we can throw the spreadsheet on in the show notes as
well. There's about 130 times in the Book of Mormon where prophets pray. What do you think? What are
some lessons that you guys gleaned from how Lehigh is praying in verse 5? What do you notice?
I love that it doesn't start out saying Lehigh was a prophet. It starts out saying many prophets came and we all think, okay,
Jeremiah, perhaps, Obdaya, and Lehigh listened to a prophet. And then, as you mentioned, he went and
prayed, and I love what he prayed with, in behalf of his people. And when I look at the story of
Enus, he prayed for his own soul, and then it expanded. He prayed for his brother and then even prayed for his enemies.
And then he prayed for the records which you talked about.
And I've loved that idea. The Prophet Joseph Smith said,
Amen, filled with the love of God is not content with blessing his family alone,
but ranges to the whole world.
Anxious to bless the whole human race. And here's Lehigh praying
with all his heart in behalf of his
people. I think that's interesting. I love that phrase with all his heart. That's a fascinating phrase.
John, this is something that I hope we do this entire year. Look at phrases. I think there's
power in stopping in these verses and looking at phrases. prayed with all his heart. Joseph Smith said the same thing about the first vision.
He said, I kneeled down and began to offer up the desires of my heart to God.
To me, the epitome of prayer is wrapped up in that one sentence,
and it seems to be saying that here in the book Mormon, I kneeled down
and offered up the desires of my heart to God.
That is so different than a rote prayer where I say the same things over and over.
What are the desires of my heart, yay, even with all his heart in behalf of his people?
Talked about leveling up.
That levels up my prayers.
What you said about phrases, this is one of many awesome study techniques that we can
use. Elder Nile
Maxwell called these one liners. Short, powerful phrases like if you were into cross stitching,
you would cross stitch it or put it on the fridge with a magnet. It's very fun to go
through the book of Mormon slowing down and highlighting powerful phrases. One other
one in verse five is this phrase, as he went forth. Normally, we
kneel to pray if we can, if we're in a personal or family setting. But here, it sounds to me like
Lehigh is on his commute. He's like Hank Smith driving to work and listening to his podcast,
but Lehigh didn't have podcasts, so he's praying with all his heart in behalf of this people as he went forth.
And I know for me, in my life, sometimes it's good,
even to turn off the podcast, although I would never turn off the follow-in podcast, of course, but...
Even to turn off the podcast and just sometimes pray, as I'm driving, talk to the Lord.
It's interesting, we've picked out these three phrases as he went forth with all his heart in behalf of his brethren.
So that's a great study technique that I would definitely recommend is finding those short, powerful one-liners.
I've often called that mining for gold.
You're going through and you're looking for these nuggets of gold or these veins of gold.
Amid the rock, the rock can be the storyline.
But let's find those little veins of gold. Amid the rock, the rock can be the storyline, but let's find those little veins of gold
and use those.
Those are valuable, like gold.
Those can be spiritually and emotionally valuable to us.
I love it.
Another technique that I found to be really helpful
is to focus on Jesus Christ,
to look for what are these verses teaching me
about the Savior?
Our colleague, Dr. Josh Sears, who's been on the podcast
before, said something to me once that really stood out to me. He said, what if instead of having
scripture study, we had Christ study. It says a reminder that the whole focus of the scriptures
is on Jesus Christ. And we can see this if we keep reading forward. So the as of vision in verse 6
goes home in verse seven.
And then in verse eight, he says, being thus overcome with the spirit, he was carried away
in a vision, even that he saw the heavens open.
And he thought he saw God sitting upon his throne.
Verse nine, it came to pass.
He saw one, capital O one, descending out of the midst of heaven.
And he beheld that his luster was above that of the Son at noon day
And he saw twelve others following him
So it seems like liai seeing a vision of Jesus Christ and the twelve apostles and
The one in verse 11 which the way I interpret where it says the first came I assume that's the one Jesus came and gave
the first came, I assume that's the one Jesus came and gave Lehigh a book. So right up front, before we've gotten 10 verses into the Book of Mormon, we're seeing Jesus Christ. I think that's
another scripture study technique that I found to be really helpful, specifically to look for the
Savior. In fact, probably lots of us have taken an invitation. President Nelson has given this invitation. President Hinkley gave it to go
through the Book of Mormon and putting in maybe a little check mark every time
there's a reference to Heavenly Father.
As I took this invitation, I actually found something that to me was really
interesting, which is if you put a little check mark next to every title of the Savior, you find about 4,000 or so.
But what about the pronouns when it says he and it's referring to the Savior? So then I started
putting a check mark by all of the pronouns. And then there's more than 7,000 references to the Savior, on average more than once per verse.
If we go to this month's Lihona,
January, 2024 Lihona, there's an article
that talks about this looking for references
to Jesus Christ in pronouns.
And I think just as a reminder that Jesus Christ
really is at the center of the Book of Mormon,
we're not seriously studying the Book of Mormon
to get closer to Nephi, although that's wonderful.
It's to bring us closer to Jesus Christ.
And so sintering our study on him,
I think is another really valuable study approach.
In Elder Holland's book, Christ and the New Covenant,
I tell my students,
you know the book of Mormon is called
the New Covenant in the Doctorant Covenants,
because they might not know this book is Elder Holland's commentary on the Book of Mormon, but it's not called
Elder Holland's commentary on the Book of Mormon. It's called Christ in the New Covenant,
and they might not have recognized it, but in Christ in the New Covenant, let's see,
I'm on page 36. It says, the first chapter of the first book of Nephi begins with Lehigh's
vision of one descending out of the midst of heaven,
and he beheld that his lust was above that of the sun at noon day.
In this vision, the pre-Mortal Christ accompanied by twelve others brought forth a book in which
Lehigh was bitten to read.
This book spoke of many great marvelous things, including the plane declaration of the coming
of a Messiah, and also the redemption of the world.
And Hodor Holland says, thus, in the first verses of the first chapter of the first book also the redemption of the world. And Hilda Holland says, thus in the first verses of the first chapter
of the first book in the book of Mormon,
the central and undeviating theme is struck.
Beautiful.
The central and undeviating theme of the book.
That's exactly what you said, John Hilton,
that this is the point right here.
We're not reading to no Nephi, even though that's great,
or Mormon, or Jacob, we're reading to get to know Christ.
Wow, I love that.
While you mentioned Elder Holland,
there's another little insight.
This is from an article that Elder Holland wrote years ago,
but he kind of zoomed back and looked at the big picture.
So if we think about 1st Nephi chapter one,
it's a story about a person who has a really sincere prayer,
has a vision, receives a book, shares this message
with others, and then is persecuted for it.
And then we're like, oh wow, this is Lehigh,
and it's also Joseph Smith.
Joseph Smith, yeah.
There's a pattern here.
You mentioned the patterns, and I've always thought,
does this sound familiar?
You saw a vision and he gave them a book.
Yeah, isn't it Isaiah who is invited into the throne room of God
and then is given an assignment?
Go teach.
I think there's something kind of interesting.
In verses 13 and 14, Lehigh reads the book and he says,
whoa, whoa, onto Jerusalem.
It will be destroyed.
It's an habitat.
There have many will perish by the sword and be carried away captive into Babylon. So this sounds pretty terrible. And then
you wonder why in verse 14, after Lehigh reads and sees these things, he says, great and
marvelous are they works. Oh, Lord God Almighty. Verse 15, after this man of language, my father
was my father praising of his God, his whole soul
did rejoice.
So it seems like he's gotten some really bad news, but he's rejoicing.
What do you guys make of that?
Yeah, I look at the whole verse and it says, because thou art merciful, thou will not suffer
those who come unto thee that they shall perish.
So trouble is coming.
So come unto Christ and then you won't perish.
That's what I'm seeing there. And that's that would make you go, oh great marvelous,
Ardai works, because you're going to be merciful to those of us who are listening to the prophets.
It sounds like I'm harkening back to verse 12. He starts to read this book and he's filled with
the spirit of the Lord. Isn't that what we've been talking about just today?
Read this book. Be filled with the Spirit of the Lord. A power will come into your life. The
moment you begin a serious study of the book. So even though the message is difficult, it's still
coming from the Spirit. It's still maybe clothed in the joy of the Spirit. Even though the message is
is, you know, a difficult one to hear, it's maybe rejoicing from the source of the message.
Beautiful. And I love this idea that you mentioned on trouble is coming, so come under Christ.
And things are going to work out. And trouble comes to Lehi. He goes out to preach as we come to the end of chapter one. When the Jews heard these things, they were angry with him. They try to take Lehigh's
life. But the last sentence of this chapter says, I ne if I will show unto you that the tender
mercies of the Lord are over all those whom he hath chosen because of their faith to make them
mighty, even unto the power of
deliverance. We were talking earlier about finding those power phrases, these nuggets of gold,
the tender mercies of the Lord, has to be one of those phrases.
What came to mind, and I bet it came to both of your minds, was 2005.
Elie Bednar, a brand new apostle. We all looked at him and said, how old is that guy? He looks really young.
Stood up in the April conference and gave the talk the tender mercies of the Lord.
And I don't know about the both of you, but this talk had serious impact on my life. It was a
paradigm changing
talk where I had always known that the Lord gave these personalized blessings,
but Elder Bernard articulated it in a way that gave it definition. I had this vague idea in my head,
and now all of a sudden I knew. Both of you remember that talk? Absolutely. He talked about the tender
mercy that he received because the hymn which had been prepared far in advance, that he would be speaking in conference six months earlier, was his favorite him.
And he said, some people might think it was a coincidence that they had chosen his favorite him
to sing just before his first talk in general conference, but to him, he said, it was a personalized
blessing. Somebody said once the coincidences are God's way of remaining anonymous.
Sometimes we have those tender mercies. That phrase just came into the vocabulary of
the church ever after that talk. We talk about, oh that was a tender mercy. You know
all the time and Hank, I know you compiled some of these. You gave a talk called he knows you. That's a great talk.
Yeah. And over and over, people that experienced that kind of attention. And I've had
happened to me and I think, did the Lord just do that? No. It's fun to hear that he can
individualize and personalize his mercy sometimes. And a little things like that that are little things, but they send a huge message. I think we could do an entire year of podcasts on the tender mercies of
the Lord, these individualized blessings, talking to my friend Elaine Dalton about the white
rose, President Monson gave her when she was called to be young women's president.
Al Carroway told me about how when she joined the church, she lost some relationships,
but on the day she got in doubt, the very day she got in doubt, her dad called her asking to have
that relationship back. Elder Bednar says, often the Lord's timing in his tender mercies enables
us to discern and recognize them. I think what I saw most in preparing that was that the Lord is very active in our lives.
He does not take a passive role in people's lives.
He is doing his work and his angels, I assume, are doing his work.
And if we're careful and we're taking part in that work, we'll see more and more of those
tender mercies.
To tie back to what we talked about earlier, if we write them down, if we write them down,
record them, I think that's a message to the Lord that I appreciate this.
I find it to be valuable and I want to record it for my children and grandchildren.
And I found when I write them down, more of them occur.
I would encourage everybody to, when you see a personalized blessing, first go listen
to that elderbed in our talk, and then to keep a tender mercy journal, when you see the
hand of the Lord in your life.
And I think as you write them down, you'll see them increase.
I think it was President Eiring, who was, and I don't remember the exact
words, but the idea was a journal isn't for your trips and your trophies. A journal is to document
the hand of the Lord in your life, exactly what you're saying, to document those tender mercies.
And then I kind of hear the line from, count your blessings, it will surprise you what the Lord has
done. If you start writing those down.
What a great insight. Man, we're only through one chapter here. I'm just feeling excited.
And we didn't even cover every verse. There's so much to cover that we can't do at all.
But that's why I think having our own serious personal study of the Book of Mormon will
just help us find those nuggets that are for each of us. So, in chapter 2, Lehigh and his family, they leave Jerusalem, they gather all their stuff,
and they head out of town.
And sometimes when I'm teaching this, I'll ask my students, how far do Lehigh and his
family travel?
Most of the time people will say they go three days into the wilderness.
Now, just to be clear, this is the wrong answer.
But the reason why people are saying that it's based on verse six. And it came to pass when he traveled
three days in the wilderness, he pitched his tent in a valley by the side of a river of water.
We'll come back to the three days and why that's wrong in just a second. But on that little
by the side of a river of water, there's a story that Elder Holland told more than 30 years ago.
You guys might have remembered this from an old seminary training.
I'm just going to quote from Elder Holland.
He said, I can still remember the scriptural awakening
that came to me when a skillful and well-prepared seminary teacher
reading that much read into us students
absolutely boring material from Nephi.
I can remember when he asked me in class
why in 1st Nephi chapter 2 verse 6 the Book of Mormon records that Lehigh pitched his tent in a valley
by the side of a river of water. Well it was still early in the year being only the first day or two
of class and as always the teacher was still very much on trial. Being the smart Alex student I almost
always was I made some clever response about it being
smarter to pitch attempt by the side of a river than in it. I knew I was a hit because the girls
giggled. So already we're learning that Elder Holland has long had a pinch in for powerful one
lineers. So he keeps going, the teacher didn't giggle. He smiled and he said, with a smile still on his face,
you're not answering the question, Jeff,
because you're not reading the text.
It doesn't say, Leigh pitched his tent by the river
or in the river.
It says, he pitched it by a river of water.
Why did he say river of water, Jeff?
What other kinds of rivers are there? And
Elder Holland goes on to point out that in modern English, we would never say
the phrase river of water because all rivers are rivers of water. But in an
ancient, submitted context where Nephys coming from, there would be rivers of
water and rivers of sand. And this is one of those dozens and dozens of little details
that I wouldn't base my testimony
at the Book of Mormon on.
But it shows that this is not Joseph Smith writing.
He wouldn't have written that phrase, river of water.
This is someone from a completely different background
who's writing in a way that's familiar to him.
But I want to go back to this idea of how long
did they travel into the wilderness?
Because I think this is a really important point.
If we think three days, we see that in one way, but go back and take a look at verse
5.
He came down by the borders near the shore of the Red Sea.
And you can get on Google Maps right now and figure this out, but from Jerusalem to the
Red Sea is about 200 miles. So they're already
traveling a long way, and then from there, the Red Sea, they go three days into the wilderness.
So I don't know if people are, you know, they're going 20 miles a day or 25 miles a day,
but this is roughly a two week journey from Jerusalem to where they make camp. For me,
that's really valuable because it's gonna help us see why lame and
inlemual are complaining. Oh, we don't want to go back to Jerusalem. It's not just a three-day journey.
This is like walking from provost to St. George is basically what
they're doing and then to have to go back.
This helps me empathize more with lame and inlemual, why they're complaining. In fact, this is just like a quick side note. Our family lived in Jerusalem for a year when I taught at B.I. East Jerusalem
Center, and one day we were going to drive down to the Red Sea to go snorkeling. So as
we're driving, and it's barren desert down there, and I was pointing it out to my kids saying,
oh, you know, think about layman and Lemuel, they're complaining. And then we got to a checkpoint,
and there had been a flash flood.
We had to go back to Jerusalem
and go a different direction to the Red Sea.
I was so ticked off.
I'm like, we just wasted 45 minutes driving down here.
All this is the worst.
And then I realized, wow, I am totally lame in the Lemule.
My 45 minutes of drive I was mad about,
and I can see why they were murmuring
about a two week having to go back.
So it's really a four week journey,
plus the time it takes to get those plates.
You just forgot something,
and we have to go all the way back.
John, what's cool about that flash flood too,
is some of those rivers of sand,
or rivers of river beds suddenly became rivers of water
for an hour or two. And so there were rivers of sand, or rivers of river beds suddenly became rivers of water for an hour or two.
And so there were rivers of sand and river beds, you know, so river of water is a specific
kind.
So let's jump down to first Nephi chapter 2 verse 9.
And this is some of Lehigh's messages to his son's layman and Lemuel.
When my father saw that the waters of the river emptied into the fountain of the Red Sea,
he spanked a layman saying, oh, that Thou mightest be like this river continually running into
the fountain of all righteousness.
And he spanked a layman, oh, that Thou mightest be like unto this valley, firm, steadfast,
and immovable in keeping the commandments of the Lord.
There's lots of little nuggets that we could unpack from here.
One that I want to point out is that Lehigh is a really righteous person.
You can sense how dedicated he is to the Lord.
He obviously loves his children, and these hopes that he's expressing in verses 9 and 10,
at least as far as we have in the text, they are not realized in this life.
We don't see layman and Lemuel becoming firm,
steadfast and immovable.
So I think sometimes as parents,
that can be a hard message, but to know that it is very possible
that the deep hopes we have for our children
may not be realized.
But I love that there's a long-term perspective.
These words firm, steadfast, and immovable,
they actually appear later in the book more,
they only appear one more time in the book more,
and it's together in a sequence.
And it's in third Nephi, where it's talking about
the time when the church broke up amongst the Nephites right before the Savior's coming.
And it says in 35 chapter 6, verse 14,
the church was broken up in all the land,
save it were among a few of the laymenites who were converted to the true faith.
They were firm, steadfast, and immovable.
And I wonder if Father Lee hides there in heaven and he's watching that and some
tears are coming down his cheeks as he realized that maybe things didn't turn out
how he had hoped for Lemuel.
But with the eternal perspective, here his descendants are realizing those hopes he had
for Lemuel.
To me, it's a reminder to keep the big picture.
Things may not work out the way
we want them to in the short run. But in the eternal scheme of things, as we're faithful, we can have
confidence that Jesus Christ will wipe away all the tears from our eyes and that all things will be
made right. Wow. That is awesome, John. It is so good that they're Lamanites who are firm steadfast and immovable.
That's not in the footnotes, but you just made me a new one.
That's so good.
You both are so spiritual.
I thought when he says, Oh, be like this river, I thought Sam might have leaned over to Nephi
and said, Yeah, shallow and filthy.
But I like what you're saying here. How many of our listeners and members of the
church want so badly for their children to embrace the gospel, embrace the commandments
and their children do the very opposite. And so often we might speak of, oh, I'm so
blessed. I've got this child doing this and this child doing that and how blessed am I when
we don't know that there are people listening saying, why can't I be blessed like that? In my own
life, I've changed my language too. I'm so thankful. I'm so grateful. I know it's a small vocabulary
change, but I think we can be a little more gentle because that is a very intimate and painful part of many people's lives.
And here's Lehigh and Saraya with quite an assortment among their own children.
So you can't take all the credit, you can't take all the blame.
Either they came with their own agency and everything.
And I just love that about the Book of Mormon, that it starts with a family that has
a bunch of ups and downs and some really difficult situations.
You know, 10 years ago, President Irene gave a talk called To My Grand Children, and he told this
story. He says years ago, a friend of mine spoke of his grandmother. She had lived a full life,
always faithful to the Lord and to his church. Yet Yet one of her grandsons chose a life of crime.
He was finally sentenced to prison.
My friend recalled that his grandmother, as she drove along the highway to visit her grandson in prison,
had tears in her eyes as she prayed with anguish.
I've tried to live a good life.
Why, why do I have this tragedy of a grandson who seems to have destroyed
his life?" The answer came to her mind in these words. I gave him to you, because I knew you could,
and would love him, no matter what he did. President Irin goes on,
there is a wonderful lesson for us all. The way for loving parents and grandparents and all of God's servants will not be easy
in a decaying world.
We cannot force God's children to choose the way
to happiness.
God cannot do that because of the agency has given us.
Heavenly Father and His beloved Son love all of God's children,
no matter what they choose to do or what they become.
The Savior paid the price of all sins,
no matter how heinous,
even though there must be justice,
the opportunity for mercy is extended.
To me, I know there are plenty of people listening
who would love to have Nephys, more Nephys, right?
More Nephi-like children,
but our children are agents unto themselves, and they may make
choices that break our hearts. I came from a family with some siblings who chose to leave
entirely, leave the gospel, leave the church. In my experience, they may have left the church,
but they are not lost to the Lord.
One thing I think we can see in this is if we were to jump over into second Nephi when
Lehi in chapter one is talking to layman and Lemuel, and you can sense like how much
anguish he feels over them.
But in the same passage, he talks about how he's been encircled about in the arms of
the Savior's love.
I feel like no matter what circumstances are
around us, we can't control, like you said, the choices that others make, but we can still
feel encircled about in the arms of our Savior.
Years ago, LDS Living said, these are the 10 most repeated scriptures in general conference.
I don't know if it's still true, but number one was Moses 139. I love to point out that
the Lord didn't say, this is your job and your
glory to bring to pass the mortality in your life of your children. He said this is my work, this is
my glory, and then I love that in second Nephi, he says, I am able to do my work. Give God the long
view and there is his children too, and he's got a long game going here. And hopefully it gives you some hope.
He's mighty to save.
And it's his work and his glory.
Do your best, but it's his job to save.
Both of you, such powerful insights.
I remember Joseph Smith saying something
to the effect of the great Jehovah knows every individual
and has made ample provision for their redemption. What a hopeful thought.
Coming up in part two of this episode. In fact, this happened to me just two days ago. I was visiting
with a young adult. She's a super faithful person and she's trying to side if she should go in a
mission. She's been praying about it for a few months and she's just not really getting an answer.