Follow Him: A Come, Follow Me Podcast - Doctrine & Covenants 63 : Dr. Lynne Hilton Wilson Part I

Episode Date: June 5, 2021

The Lord judges not by appearance, but by potential. This is true for Missouri and Zion as well. Dr. Lynne Wilson teaches how our observance of the Sabbath is important for not only building Zion but ...for our preparations for the Second Coming. The Saints (and us) in Kirtland and Missouri are taught by the Lord how to prepare for the Temple, Zion, and the Second Coming.Show notes: https://followhim.co/episodesYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FollowHimOfficialChannelInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/followhimpodcastFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/followhimpodcast

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to Follow Him, a weekly podcast dedicated to helping individuals and families with their Come Follow Me study. I'm Hank Smith and I'm John by the way. We love to learn, we love to laugh, we want to learn and laugh with you. As together we follow him. Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of Follow Him. My name is Hank Smith. I am the host to follow Him with my co-host,
Starting point is 00:00:25 The Charming John, by the way. I John. Charming. Oh, wow. Prince, Prince Charming, right, is what we call you. We are excited to be here. We want to let you know that we can, you can follow us on social media. We have Instagram and Facebook. You can rate and review the podcast. You can find show notes at follow him dot CO and feel free to engage with us, ask us some questions, anything you want to see happen on the podcast, please let us know. We are all ears, right John? We're just grateful to be here. Oh, so excited. Yeah. Yeah. So every week we talk with a great mind in the church and this week is no different. John, who's with us today?
Starting point is 00:01:07 We have Dr. Lynn Hilton Wilson with us. And I read this bio and I just think, wow, she's a co-founder of Book of Mormon Central, which if you have not seen that site, you have got to go there. Yes. But set aside a few hours because the videos they've got, the scholarship there, I steer my students to this all the time. I show videos in class. Anyway, so if you have an article from Central and now isn't there a doctor and a covenant central? And the church has to do a pearl great price, although we're completely independent from the church, we were happy
Starting point is 00:01:43 to prepare one. to the heaven. Dr. Wilson earned her PhD in theology and American religious history from Marquette University. Her doctoral dissertation compared Joseph Smith's understanding of the spirit with his contemporaries. Her master's degree focused on new testament studies, and it just keeps going. An accomplished cellist, Lynn played with the BYU Philharmonic and Chamber Orchestra.
Starting point is 00:02:09 She returned to BYU and taught religion as an adjunct professor. She served in the church educational system for the past 33 years with assignments in France, Belgium, Wisconsin. Have you heard those three grouped together before? And most recently, California. It all has to do with where the best cheeses are.
Starting point is 00:02:29 Wisconsin has excellent cheese. And so going from Paris to Wisconsin was very natural. This makes total sense now. She's a popular presenter at BIO Education Week, Society of Biblical Literature, Mormon History Association, Fair, Society for Mormon Philosophy and Theology, B.O.U. Sparrow Symposium,
Starting point is 00:02:49 Silicon Valley, Educational Conference, and Stanford, Friday forums. And I don't think this is in here, but you teach institute at Stanford, right? Yeah, it's for the Stanford Awards, yes. Yeah. Ooh, those are smart people. Her publications include a Christ emancipation of New Testament women, Nativity narratives, learning the language of the
Starting point is 00:03:14 Lord, a guidebook to personal revelation, and she's got articles in BYU studies, the interpreter, religious educator, and BYU Religious Studies center. She and her husband, Dow, our Wilson, live in Palo Alto, California. They have seven children all with red hair, five grandchildren with blonde, ginger and brown. Did we did we hit the important stuff? Except for the fact that there's been two more born. That's all I wonder. I should have asked you on Easter morning. Oh, beautiful. So so seven grandchildren. Yeah. John, I've heard that grandchildren are the best part of life. I have to experience it in so view. But Lynn, is that true? Are grandchildren the best part of life? Because that's what I've
Starting point is 00:03:53 heard. Second, only to scripture study. Okay. Wow. Okay. And Lynn combines the two, right? Thank you. Welcome to our program today. Today we get to study the scriptures with Dr. Ererson. That's right. This is going to be fantastic. Let's jump right into the lesson. This is an interesting week, Lynn, because we only have one section of the doctrine and covenants, which sometimes in our lessons we're flipping through eight or nine sections or at least seven sections and this one, we're just going to kind of set it up and then go through it and allow you
Starting point is 00:04:29 to allow you to teach. So let me just give a little bit of background then you can fill in. So it's August 1831. It says that they just returned to Kirtland from Missouri. So why don't we back up a little bit and you tell us, give us the background you think we need to have in order to approach this section. You know, I'm fascinated with American religious histories
Starting point is 00:04:54 understanding and the second grade awakening of the millennialism. It was such a happy, exciting time. All these new states have a Zion'sville or Eden, Jerusalem, the new Jerusalem, so many places across as the Appalachian Mountains opened for population after 1791. You just start spring up this really enthusiastic interest
Starting point is 00:05:21 in the millennium. And it did not shy away from those who are also joining the restoration under Joseph's prophetic leadership. And the saints were so eager to learn every morsel they could about building a Zion society. And you know, Joseph moves to Kirtland in February, that first week in February, he arrives. And the first thing that happens is he gets the law of consecration. And within a few months, he's told, you'll, the land of Zion is going to be down in Missouri.
Starting point is 00:05:55 And they have that church conference there so that he and Edward Partridge and several other, the leaders go down to meet with a small branch. And they are as devastated when they arrive, I think, as the British Saints were when they arrived in Salt Lake. I just think it had nothing to do with their Yankee background.
Starting point is 00:06:16 You know, they no longer have their strong puritan, Calvinistic roots, where going to church was important, where education was important. Instead, it's a very different mentality. Land was so important in the South. They had very different religious feelings in the South. The blue laws in Connecticut said you have to go to church every two weeks in the South. It's only, you only have to go once every two months. It had a whole different view of religion. And the reason why Jackson County was so horrific, I feel like, you know, it's not only the wild, wild west of the west, but right when Mexico was breaking off, and we were getting that change between the Missouri compromise, you know, just 10 years before Joseph arrives, they begin a company called the Santa Fe Trade
Starting point is 00:07:06 Company. And it was, it was, it reminded me of the California gold rush. You know, everybody comes to get rich. So the people that came specifically to independence were working with this Santa Fe marketing and they're going down into the Mexican Spanish territories to get their coins because we had such a deficiency of metal money in the United States that they would bring them back. And you are making 150% on your money every month. You know, they were just becoming millionaires
Starting point is 00:07:37 in a day and age when you earned $1.25 a day. You know, I mean, this was just an amazing get rich, quick location. And as a place where of landing between, you know, it's the border of the United States and a couple of years before, the president said, would like all the Native Americans just right over the border. And so you're getting this horrendous deportation of allugies of our Native Americans. And you have all this money pouring in and also like a port town, you have a lot of adultery going on because the men have been out on these getwitch quick schemes and then they come home and the
Starting point is 00:08:17 first place they have to check in is in independence again. And so you have a lot of problems with prostitution and a lot of supplies. So it is it is not just a southern state where there's a problem with feelings on Africans and slavery and feelings on Native Americans. It it is a a really materialistic place and Joseph arrives there and he is so disheartened and that's when he gives that beautiful prophecy that we studied about last week and come follow me in that beautiful prayer. I mean to the Lord when is the desert going to when is it going to when are we going to see the blossoming of the roads? You know when is Zion going to be able to
Starting point is 00:08:59 be built up? But he knew the voice of the Lord and Joseph learned to trust the voice of Lord way before July of 1831. So even though he and Emma have just made that huge move to Courland, he picks up his bags and because they're using the mail route, they're not using, you know, the missionaries when they went down there to preach to the Native Americans. They used the mail route and it wasn't just a 900 route. So if you go in Google Maps, it's 800 miles. But they were going 900 miles, but when the missionaries did it, it was 1500. So because they're going the long way. And also they're preaching and they make their little stops off of course in Kirtland and other places. But it is really a disheartening experience. And I think that's why
Starting point is 00:09:51 there was so much tension at this time. So Joseph arrives and he feels the spirit say, nope, this is the right place. Even though don't judge me by what I look like, you know, even though you're looking at a house of disrepute, this is the right place, you know, and it's one reason why we didn't get along with our neighbors, you know, but we could have improved. There were false sample sites, but that small branch, Joseph dedicates the land for the design on July 20th, 1830. And then we have this sweetness of Paulie Knight passing away there as the first one buried at age 55. And then he leaves Sydney with the task of dedicating the land, dedicating the temple spot.
Starting point is 00:10:37 And Joseph goes back home. But there was so much contention amongst the brethren that were going back with him. And I feel like a lot of the messages in section 63 relate specifically to that journey back and forth. You remember that Edward Partridge is just writes that beautiful letter to his wife where he says, pray for me that I can be humble and and be able to accept this assignment. I do not want to be here. I do not want to be away from you. I don't want to take this calling, but God has called me. I've got to do it.
Starting point is 00:11:09 We've promised ourselves that we're going to serve the Lord with all of our might. And unfortunately, Brother Booth did not have that much humility. And in his journal, he writes, I cannot believe that Joseph is a prophet, is he, if he is saying that we're two bills Zion here. And and he drives enough anxiety amongst the other people that are traveling with Joseph that there's a lot of contention. And I don't know if you remember the story about when they're on the river and all of her choose everybody out saying stop
Starting point is 00:11:39 yelling at Joseph. And if we're gonna have so much contention, we're gonna have an accident and Sydney and Joseph get everybody off the water because they say you're a limp, you don't even know how to canoe. I mean, it reminded me sometimes of family reunions. You know, it was really- Things go well until think everybody gets tired and hungry. Of course, they're tired and hungry. And I love the report when we read in some of the people that traveled with them of their bloodied and and blistered feet. And then then one of them says, I just love this.
Starting point is 00:12:12 And Joseph, of course, had as many as everyone else. And yet he bore it because he knew he was on the Lord and the others just it's hard when you feel pain to not become a pain. And it's fascinating to me as I look at how the members of my community, my faith community in the San Francisco Bay Area approach challenges. And if we are not make, we will fall into that same pattern. And as I look at section 63, so Joseph gets back finally to see Emma and rejoice in that reunion with their sweet little Joanna. They are living at that point down up in Kirtland, I mean, and it is August and the twins were born in May. So the twins are just a few months old and the Murdock twins. Yeah, the Murdock twins. And he gets to come home and see these little toddlers.
Starting point is 00:13:14 And so happy with that reunion. And yet, when he gets there, everyone wants to know more about Zion. And there's other people who are saying, Joseph is not a prophet of God if he's calling this Zion. And so you've got the whole spectrum of feelings going on. The people ask Joseph the question and then they, he receives the answer. And I just feel like the more questions we ask, the more revelation we'll receive. And that's what happened here with section 63.
Starting point is 00:13:54 I love the how often Hank isn't this true, that we have seen people's expectations be incorrect. And here's another case where, oh, we thought it was this. And now the Lord saying it's this. And that seems to be a pattern not just here but all the time. Hank and I talked with somebody about, you know, on the road to Emeas. Well, we had hoped that this would be, yeah. Yeah. Thank you for that. I didn't know other towns were, they were naming their towns as Zion villains. That Indiana. Well, think of the Milerites. You know, they're gathering Indiana. Well, think of the Milerites. You know, they're gathering this whole community that became later on, the seventh day Adventist, is expecting Christ's return in 1844. And they gather thousands of people together for this experience that they think is coming. And the Milerites are just one of the many faiths who were combing through the Old Testament and the book of Revelation to real to pinpoint
Starting point is 00:14:48 The second coming of our Savior. No, I've taught the book of Revelation numerous times in Torah right at the end Those last four chapters to Zion, you know, here comes the Lord and so that's available to everyone in the in the Bible I think it was John. I think it was a Dr. Harper who said, if you base your faith, this is like Ezra booth here, if you base your faith on false assumptions, it will be easily overturned. And that seems to be what happened with Ezra booth.
Starting point is 00:15:15 He has some assumptions about what prophets should be able to do and shouldn't do, right? And those assumptions aren't met and he's like, Yeah, that's way in section 63. The Lord says, faith has to proceed to miracle here, guys. You got your cart before the horse here, you know, yeah, you get it turned this around because the after booze, of course, was converted with a miracle of Elsa Johnson's arm being healed her rheumatism, her rheumatic arm, or whether they called it at that time.
Starting point is 00:15:43 I was going to ask about the Elsa Johnson story. Yeah, so John and Elsa live 30 miles south of the curland. And beautiful, beautiful farm. And so when Alexander Campbell's group comes through with the disciples of Christ, they hear about it and are interested. And then of course when the four missionaries come, I thought 30 miles was a long way in that age,
Starting point is 00:16:06 but because they were religious seekers, they became interested in the message of the restoration as well. And then when Joseph moved there, they haven't joined the church. They're just hearing and listening and pondering more like, you know, Brigham's two years is a little different here,
Starting point is 00:16:23 but the Johnsons actually come up to meet the prophet to Kirtland. And they're in a room. And as far as I'm recalling, and I haven't reviewed this recently, but Joseph just notices the need across the room. And I believe they're the Whitney's or something like that, you know, they're, they're the members home. something like that, you know, they're they're they're a member's home. And Joseph stands up and walks over to Elsa. He's aware of a need. And he reaches out and heals her. And it just reminded me so much of the Savior's healings. He sees a need. Faith is extended. And as her booth was in the room at that time, as were others. And he saw it and said, this must be a man of God. And unfortunately, I don't know if his testimony was based on the restoration and the Book of Mormon, but the foundation was not quite right, so he didn't quite remain,
Starting point is 00:17:27 but he did feel the light of Christ and feel the witness of the Spirit and be converted and the Johnson's did of course, and then the Johnson's will invite Joseph. In section 63, the Lord says, you're gonna have to move off the land where you're living, Joseph and Emma, and you're gonna have to find,
Starting point is 00:17:43 and just listen to the Spirit and you'll be directed, and the spirit tells them, you're going to go down and live with the Johnson's in their beautiful farm, and they also make room for Sydney. So Joseph moves into the house with the Johnson's, and Sydney moves outside in another of their log cabins on the property. And two, two, two of their boys become members of the original 12, right? That's right. And Lyman, Luke and Lyman Johnson, both become members of the original 12. And that home, I've been to that home.
Starting point is 00:18:11 I think you all have, it is something else. It's beautiful. Even for 1830, you're going, wow, this is really nice. I wanted to show, for those on video, this is in the Come Follow Me manual. This is the beautiful painting of Joseph healing Elsa Johnson's arm. So if you have your manual, you can see that.
Starting point is 00:18:31 But yeah, you can stand in that place. I say it was right in here somewhere. And that's kind of sets up, Hank, too, doesn't that set up the fact that they were Joseph is sitting were there. That's set up section 76, which is coming. Right. There's going to be a lot of revelations. In the Johnson farm, yes. Section 63, what are some of the verses that we could go through and point out what's in this revelation? And what's the question about Zion? What's happening?
Starting point is 00:19:01 Yeah, that's exactly what they were asking. Tell us, tell us what's happening. You know, what's what happened? You've been gone to and a half months, Joseph. We've missed you. Tell us more. And of course, this group of saints in Kirtland were very interested in the gifts of the spirit. And he speaks about those. I don't know if you guys have talked about the the challenges that the early Kirtland Saints had with the gifts of the spirit. But when the missionaries left them, I believe it was John Whitmer who was told to come back and take care of the Kirtland Saints when the four missionaries left before Joseph arrived a few months
Starting point is 00:19:35 later. I think Joseph was gone. There was just a four month hiatus and John Whitmer was there for two of those months. And then Joseph came. But when Joseph arrived, they were experimenting with gifts of the spirit that were completely counterfeits. They were barking and jerking and acting like baboons, some of the records in the journals say, and so Joseph addresses some of these issues that they had challenges with. And remember, as soon as Joseph gets to Kirlend, he gives section 46 on the gifts of spirit. And he says, five times in that section, you only have the gifts of the spirit to bless other people, not to and grandize your own self. You're given them if you want to build the kingdom. If you're my servant and you're willing to bless others. So I feel like section 63 addresses
Starting point is 00:20:22 some of the issues there. He does the miracle. You have to have faith first. He addresses the gifts of the spirit. He addresses Zion. He addresses the second coming. In fact, I did a little counting. And 40% of the verses address some sort of eschatology, some sort of either the second coming or millennialism.
Starting point is 00:20:41 And one of my favorite things is that there is a parable in this. And in the Dectrine Covenants, we actually have 12 parables. Some of them are new, some of them are old, but seven of the 12 refer to the 10 versions. And this is one of them. So it's been in verse 35, section 33, section 45. And so seven times through, we get references to this. And I just say to myself, what more does the Lord want us to learn? Obviously, if he's mentioned it in seven different sections, he really wants the restoration, the saints, to understand that parable and to apply it in our lives. This to me is a section that says, I want you to get ready
Starting point is 00:21:27 for Zion to be built, but you have to do it my way. And it'll come when it comes. But you already mentioned teaching the book of Revelation, and I just have to jump ahead to chapter 19 in Revelation, where the Savior says, we can cut the calamity short as soon as the bride is ready for the bridegroom. And in section 65, Christ is introduced as the bridegroom as he is in the New Testament in the book of Revelation. But I feel like Joseph is laying out the platform of how we as members of the restoration
Starting point is 00:22:03 of this great and marvelous work that has been brought forth starting with the translation of the Book of Mormon, how we can build a Zion society and then Christ can come. But until we're ready to live the law of consecration, which was restored of course in section 42, as soon as Joseph arrives in Kirtland, he receives the law. And all of these sections in this next year address how to become a Zion society. Actually, clear up through section 105, isn't it? When the Zion's camp that you mentioned earlier talks about how to become a Zion society.
Starting point is 00:22:38 And I think section 63 is a beautiful, gives lots of ideas on how to do that. In fact, I also noticed that five of the 10 commandments are listed in this section, because if we're going to live a zone society, we not only have to keep following the living profit, but we also need to obey the counsel of our past profits as well.
Starting point is 00:22:59 Wonderful. I want to make sure I wrote that down right. Seven of the 11 parables in the darkening of the Covenant. 12 parables. There's 12, okay. Seven of the 12 refer to the parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgin. Yeah, I just did a little search on LDS.
Starting point is 00:23:15 You know, I use the app from Book of Mormon Central and I use the app from our church's website and I just did a little looking on the Virgin's and I just said, wow, we've really talked about this a lot. And there, those Matthew 25 parables are all preparation parables, right? Yeah, they're all preparations for the second coming. Yeah, get ready parables. And I have to just add that I feel like this has become more and more a topic
Starting point is 00:23:40 in general conferences and in other messages from the brethren. I'm thinking of Larry White Wilsonen's talk on Return of the Kings and Elder Christopherson's on the Lord needs of people prepared and there's just been a lot, even our prophet in this last conference, addressed our need to prepare for the second coming. And this section, I think, does a great job. The only thing that they don't talk about is the Sabbath, which is a major sign of our preparation for the second coming. And this section I think does a great job. The only thing that they don't talk about is the Sabbath, which is a major sign of our preparation for the second coming. Interesting. I feel like we're
Starting point is 00:24:11 all set. We've got the feeling of the section, you know, it helps so much to know what's happening, what's the feeling like? Joseph is home. He's relieved to be home to see his little brand new adopted twins. But there's a quite a bit of tension. I think as a booth is creating some, it'd just be difficulty for him. And others too. Yeah, he had others. And I just had my scriptures open to the wrong page.
Starting point is 00:24:36 It was section 59 where the Lord said, we've really got to start leaving the Sabbath. So he doesn't need to repeat it a few weeks later. And that was just given in Missouri and now he's up in Kirtland, but it's just a few, you know, it's just that journey length of time. So the Lord has just said it.
Starting point is 00:24:53 So perhaps that's why that is not repeated again as part of the preparation for the second coming because I feel like certainly that has been a message that has been loud and clear that we need to improve on in our generation. But section 63 is fascinating the way the Lord, so he gives this great introduction, but he starts out, this is verse five, you know, the Lord, my word is going to be obeyed. I'm going to speak and I am going to be obeyed. And then he says, but in verse six, it's going to be in a day of wrath. You better watch out, you know, and he just immediately goes in to the signs that
Starting point is 00:25:38 are coming. And it's fascinating because in the New Testament, when we refer to signs, it's often translated as miracles. John in John's Gospel, there are seven miracles and seven sermons, and they're often called seven signs in different translations of the New Testament. And so when the Lord refers to, in verse seven and in verse nine, I love verse nine, faith comeeth not by signs, but signs follow those that believe.
Starting point is 00:26:08 And I can testify that if you, if I look at my, every day of my life within the lens of, have I seen God in my life today. I see him every hour. This is such a sweet reality that if we extend our faith, we will see signs that the Lord is in our camp. And you are referring to a sequence that I love here. It's not signs precede those, it signs follow those that believe. And I don't know, can you share with our audience some of the health challenges?
Starting point is 00:26:52 And now I will tell you one sweet miracle. When I first started going blind, I asked for a blessing. And the first things out of that wonderful Melchizedek priesthood holder's mouth was rejoice. You will see the hand of the Lord in your life. And then I had four more episodes and my optic nerves kept deteriorating. And I kept telling myself every hour if I needed to rejoice.
Starting point is 00:27:23 You will see the hand of the Lord in your life. And now as I bump around into things and I have blind, I have to tell you that I am so grateful for the perspective that it has given me that I do not see the whole picture. I believe that it is so applicable to church history. Ezra Booth did not see the whole picture. I believe that it is so applicable to church history. Ezra Booth did not see the whole picture. Elsa Johnson didn't see the whole picture. Joseph didn't see the whole picture. We are partially veiled, but our savior sees the whole picture. And that simple little natural blessing of, you know what? I don't see the whole picture. I got to be careful. I, you know, I might be missing something here. That little
Starting point is 00:28:12 blessing has been so sweet. And with my two years on chemo every day, I prayed, this medicine is taking out the incorrect growth in my body. Can you please, Lord, cleanse my soul? Can you help me cleanse those things that have grown inappropriately and in the wrong direction? I just feel like hardships are such a blessing. The reason why the Lord gave us weaknesses is because those things take us to our knees. And it's when we are on our knees that we draw closer to our Savior. I've underlined the word signs in seven, in eight, in nine,
Starting point is 00:28:54 in ten, in eleven, in twelve. And so it sounds like this was a big part, this all because of Ezra Booth or this is all saying, this is not what you should be looking for. You know, I think it's also because of the misunderstanding of what the gifts of the spirit were. But it's during the second grade awakening, you know, everyone's going to revivals and they're all jumping around and they're all thinking that it's the swooning that's the spirit instead of a still small voice. You know, they're looking for the earthquake if we were going back to Elijah.
Starting point is 00:29:22 And but it is in that little section from verses seven to 12, is that portion that he refers to the signs. And then right after that, but I still feel it's a great deal because these saints are so new, they're not even, they haven't even baptized a year yet. This is the first, the missionaries didn't arrive, those missionaries to the Lamanites don't even arrive until November. And here it is the following August.
Starting point is 00:29:48 And it's August 30th, by the way, when he gets this according to the Joseph Smith papers. August 30th when he receives this one. So my heart just says, no, he's doing post baptism teaching lessons right here. You know, this is really the basics. But later on he talks about Joseph having the gift of discernment. And George A Smith, Joseph's cousin, you know, his little cousin who followed him around and just looked up to him like a hero. George A said, you know, if this gifts in the spirit were one of Joseph's favorite topics, the gift of discernment was his favorite gift.
Starting point is 00:30:24 And he said it was the thing he spoke most on more than anything else. Now that's from his perspective as a young boy. I think if we asked Joseph, he'd say, actually, no. But when I have read all of Joseph's serens in Navu that are collected by E. Hatton Cook and also available on Joseph with papers, I would say, yes, the workings of the spirit are one of Joseph's absolute
Starting point is 00:30:48 key doctrines that he taught the most. And so when Joseph is told here, you will need to seek the gift of discernment. Joseph, obviously, in 1831, took that to heart. And by the time George A says it in Navu, 10 years later, George A says, Oh no, that was his favorite topic. And it may have come from here or may have come from the years of working with Roni, trying to get that straight on how to get the plates home. Yeah. Then you made me think of something.
Starting point is 00:31:17 There's a great book called Remembering Joseph by Mark McConkey. And I've always wondered why anyone would want to learn about, if you want to really learn about Joseph Smith, here go to his friends. I mean, who knows you best? Your friends or your enemies who knows you best? Go to those who know him best, his family and his friends. And that book, Remembering Joseph, that's always the first book I recommend, if someone says, Hey, can I, I want to read a book on Joseph Smith. I'll say, Oh, give Remembering Joseph. You can hear it in their own words, talking about like you said with George A. What was it like to just be with him every day? And
Starting point is 00:31:53 they describe it beautifully. John, anything else on signs? I love what you said there. I just think that there's, there's something that I thought was fascinating about this. We look at Jesus' saying, it is a wicked and an adulterous generation that seeketh after a sign. And you talked about all these houses of ill-reputed around there. And right after this signs thing, he goes to verse 14. There were among you adulterers and adulteresses. And I was watching one of the roundtable discussions the BYU professors used to have, and one of them said,
Starting point is 00:32:33 this is a really fast way to lose the spirit. You know? You know? Well, and I also wondered as I was reading and studying this section. Do you remember in the Old Testament? And in the New Testament, the Savior refers to, I'm just gonna quote Isaiah,
Starting point is 00:32:48 where is the Bill of Thy Divorcement? Yeah. They refer to this marriage relationship as adultery between God and his people. He's not even heard, right? Yeah, his people. And Zion is experiencing adultery when they are experiencing idolatry.
Starting point is 00:33:08 And so I wondered in this situation, I know he tells some people in their sections, okay, I know you've been struggling with adultery. And everyone now knows it, thank you, Joseph. The Scarlet Letter A is now in Braden here on live chest. But I wondered in some of these verses here and he goes on, I'm starting in verse 13 to
Starting point is 00:33:30 probably anyway, adultery is a topic here for quite a while. A few verses down and I'm just, I go through 19, it looks like 13 to 19. I'm just wondering if some of that is idolatry, just as it was in both the old and new testaments. So I don't want to just knock all of us out. If, oh no, I don't struggle with that. That's not an issue for me.
Starting point is 00:33:54 Well, don't think you don't need to read this because we can look at it in the way the Lord defines adultery in the Bible, which is often you have broken your covenant with God. You have, you are no longer honoring and worshiping him as your father or our Savior as your, as your spiritual father. You know, you shouldn't work with any weakness that we have. Beware and repent.
Starting point is 00:34:16 Yes. Speedily, right? Yes. I know at times when he says here, beware. I know at times when I've made the worst mistakes is when I'm just not being aware, right? I'm just not paying attention. I'm on autopilot and then all of a sudden. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's I thinking there?
Starting point is 00:34:29 Or beware and repent quick. I like that. I like that. Yeah. Repent quick. Um, let's see. Should we turn the page here? Are we ready to? Yeah. Scroll down as everyone else. Yeah. No, keep keep keep with pages. Right.
Starting point is 00:34:45 I've, I've, I've gonna petition the church that when you scroll on your scriptures, it makes the little scripture noise, you know. I love that. I love that. Put some page number on the side. I find myself with my students now at the top of the next column. Oh wait, I mean, scroll down to verse. So on the scriptures plus app, the scriptures there are exactly how they are in our book.
Starting point is 00:35:06 Really? Yeah. So they have them this way, not the other way. So the scriptures plus app allows you to maintain that memory of where things lie on the page. Yeah. You learned this on follow him, folks. You know, it's interesting though, because right as we start turning the pages is where we start getting all these verses, as I mentioned, there were 40% of the verses. I think there's 26 actually verses that discuss eschatological
Starting point is 00:35:30 topics, whether it's the tragedies before the second coming or the millennium or the first resurrection. But the idea of the Savior's coming, this broad umbrella, he starts right away there in verse 18. coming, this broad umbrella, he starts right away there in verse 18. Well, actually, it's before that too, but this is the fourth time in verse 17. Those people that are going to be burned with fire are those who have completely, flag-grantly, disobeyed God. And then in verse 20, we get the beautiful that if you have faith to do my will, then you will overcome and you will have your inheritance. And now I think this is a great tie because you have a Lord always speaks on two or three or four or five levels, you know, you can always interpret scriptures differently at different times in your life because they're just so rich and gorgeous. I just feel like I'm eating the best ice cream or chocolate I've ever had, you know.
Starting point is 00:36:23 But right here in verse 20, I think this idea of inheritance is speaking not only of in Zion, you know, we want to send all your extra money down to buy property in Jackson County, but also your inheritance as he continues on in the next life. So even though this life is full of thorns and thisiles and briars and pain, we will be able to overcome and we will be able to have an inheritance. And he goes on to what we didn't get on the amount of transfiguration in our letters, but it was part of this beautiful message
Starting point is 00:36:57 that is given in the doctrine of covenants. I just feel like the whole Bible comes alive when we get Joseph's little tidbits like this in verse 20 on the day of transfiguration. You know, we didn't get the whole picture then amount of transfiguration. What's written down is only part of it. They got to see this beautiful vision of the fullness that was not given yet. Yeah. And in verse, verse 21, it says, the earth shall be transfigured even according
Starting point is 00:37:24 to the pattern, which was shown upon mine apostles on the mount. So the footnote below is, you know, Matthew 17, where this, where this happened. And I thought, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, what, what? The earth will be transfigured as well. And that mountain transfiguration was a pattern. I was going, oh, I love when the new Testament gets woven in here and other scriptures. It's so much fun. Well, there's a part in Matthew 17 where Peter is overwhelmed. And he says, you know, it's my favorite understatement of all time. It is good for us to be here. It's good for us to be here. Okay, this is good.
Starting point is 00:38:05 The other thing, if you just read the four gospels and you read the Mount of Transfiguration, you might not get the feeling it was that big of a moment for the people that were there. But then you go to, let me see if I can find it, you go to second Peter, I think it is. And Peter is bearing his testimony. This is long after the Savior has been resurrected. And he can, how many different experiences has Peter had with Jesus? And this is what he says about the Lord. He says, this is second Peter 116 and through 19. He says, for we have not followed cunningly devised fables. This isn't fiction, when we made known unto you the power of the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses
Starting point is 00:38:52 of His Majesty, for He received from God the Father, honor and glory, when there came a voice to Him, the excellent glory. This is my beloved son and whom I am well pleased. This voice, which came from heaven, we heard when we were with him on the holy mountain. So of all the things, of all the things Peter says on. Could have mentioned. He says it was a amount of transfiguration. That's what comes to mind. And section 63 kind of tells us why, right?
Starting point is 00:39:19 I think because it's about the second coming too, I mean, it's about the future. And so Peter is looking forward to it. And of course Joseph and the saints assume that it's much sooner than we realize now. But in the Lord's timing, he wanted us to think it was soon with every generation. That's part of the wisdom of being a good teacher
Starting point is 00:39:41 is you have to motivate people to act the here and now. I'll thank you for saying that because I have seen so many I come quickly. And he does say in one of the verses in the lore in my time, I can't look at you in my own time. I think it's right here in this little section here when he says in verse 35, it's not yet, but by and by. That's another one. Yeah. Yeah. He starts talking about Zion in verse 35, it's not yet, but by and by. That's another one. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:08 He starts talking about Zion in verse 24. Actually, we've got to go to 23. It's so beautiful. Him that keepeth my commandments. I will give the mysteries of the kingdom. Those to me are temple endowments as well as a revelation, personal revelation on many spheres. But those he is preparing a people to receive their initiatories in the Kirtland Temple that January 1836 and beyond, and he is preparing a people to receive the mysteries of God.
Starting point is 00:40:40 And then you get the women at the well, right after that, the woman at the well, and the same shall be in him a well of living water, springing up on everlasting life. You get this great connection. There's a more New Testament coming in there, you know. I put at the top of my, my first column because I'm using pages, a Zion people, and I put at the top of the next column, a Zion land, because then he starts talking about in verse 24, land of Zion, verse 25, land of Zion, verse 29, land of Zion. Purchase it.
Starting point is 00:41:13 Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, that land was for sale, a dollar 25, an acre, but we had such a hard time getting the property. It wasn't until December of 1831 that Bishop Partridge was given 63 acres, the opportunity to buy 63 acres. Remember, this is such a new state. They're still getting out their surveys. The federal government owned it initially and they're still surveying the properties. It's not until December that Edward Partridge has the opportunity to buy
Starting point is 00:41:43 the land and he gets 63 acres of what they called Seminary Land. It's not until December that Edward Partridge has the opportunity to buy the land and he gets 63 acres of what they call Seminary land. It's land that he can be used to build a school on. So it's a little bit more expensive. So it was $2 an acre and he paid $130 that December and bought it.
Starting point is 00:41:56 And the Lord is saying, send your funds. We've got to earn up to this money because the Lord knows on August 30th that this property is going to come for sale and we we are gonna be able to buy a whole chunk of it. And by the time they're kicked out in two years,
Starting point is 00:42:11 they have five different settlements where the saints are living. And this first year, they were able to afford that $130 and they bought that first settlement. So the Lord's instructions here to prepare this land are fulfilled in December. I remember the Book of Mormon when it went on when it was discounted, which is $1.25 and that's the same price as an acre of
Starting point is 00:42:31 an acre of land. Yeah, just to keep it in context. That's the price of the copy of the book. Please join us for part two of this podcast. of this podcast.

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