Follow Him: A Come, Follow Me Podcast - Psalms 1-46 -- Part 1: Dr. Shon Hopkin
Episode Date: August 6, 2022Have you ever felt forsaken by God? Dr. Shon Hopkin explores the structure and purpose of the Psalms, the effect of music in worship, and how the Psalms prepared the Lord and the disciples for difficu...lt times.Please rate and review the podcast!Show Notes (English, French, Spanish, Portuguese): https://followhim.co/old-testament/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/followhimpodcastInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/followhimpodcastYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FollowHimOfficialChannelThanks to the follow HIM team:Steve & Shannon Sorensen: Executive Producers, SponsorsDavid & Verla Sorensen: SponsorsDr. Hank Smith: Co-hostJohn Bytheway: Co-hostDavid Perry: ProducerKyle Nelson: Marketing, SponsorLisa Spice: Client Relations, Editor, Show NotesJamie Neilson: Social Media, Graphic DesignWill Stoughton: Video EditorKrystal Roberts: Translation Team, English & French Transcripts, WebsiteAriel Cuadra: Spanish TranscriptsIgor Willians: Portuguese Transcripts"Let Zion in Her Beauty Rise" by Marshall McDonaldhttps://www.marshallmcdonaldmusic.com/products/let-zion-in-her-beauty-rise-piano
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Hello my friends, welcome to another episode of Follow Him.
My name is Hank Smith.
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I'm here with my clean-handed and pure-hearted co-host,
John, by the way.
John, you are clean-handed and pure-hearted.
Did you know that?
Hand sanitizer has blessed my life, thank you.
Anyone whose favorite television show
is the Andy Griffith show,
has clean hands and a pure heart.
Ha, ha, you know, some's got it in some way.
That's perfect. That is clean hands and a pure heart. Hey, John, that phrase comes from the book of
Psalms. We brought a Bible scholar who's joining us. Well, we're really excited to have Sean Hopkins back because he was
here when we talked about the fall and cane and in fact it's one of our most listened to podcasts.
It's such a great topic because Sean did such a great job. So we have Dr. Sean Hopkins here and
just to refresh our listeners memories. He was born in Denton, Texas, son of Lorraine
Hopkins and Arden Hopkins. He attended Southwest High School in Fort Worth,
but graduated from Orham High School, received a bachelor's degree in Masters
from BYU and near Eastern studies with a focus on the Hebrew Bible, received
a PhD from the University of Texas at Austin, and Hebrew studies will focus on
medieval Hebrew Arabic and Spanish
literature.
Hank, it just blows me away that people that we bring on here and how widely read and educated
they are.
Before coming to BYU, he taught in the seminaries a Tim Fue, a provost six years, the Austinist,
the two religion.
He served as chair of the Book of Mormon Academy, chair of the BYU Religious Outreach
Council. He's one of the principal organizers of the Book of Mormon Academy chair of the B where you religious outreach council
He's one of the principal organizers of the ongoing Jewish and Latter-day Saint academic interfaith dialogue project
He and his wife have four children one grandchild. We have that in common
We just had one grandson a couple months ago. It's just so fun every day. I'm texting my daughter bring the kid over
Welcome back. We're really happy to have you again.
Thank you.
I don't remember most of those things you said in the bio.
But that happened.
I am a grandpa of a beautiful grandson.
He's about three now and we are expecting,
and I say we, very general sense, a granddaughter now in September.
So for Father's Day, I got the card with the photo and the little trace-tanned and I'm
like best, best Father's Day ever.
Oh, grandpa Sean.
Grandpa Sean.
For those of you who maybe didn't listen to the first episode we did with Sean this year,
he's also John and I's direct supervisor.
So if we sound a little more shaky and nervous, this is our boss at BYU.
But oh, what a boss he is.
I'm very intimidating.
I'm a very intimidating personality.
Sean, we are in the book of Psalms today and anybody who knows, Latter-day Saint Scholars
knows that you're the best of the best when it comes to Psalms.
So talk to us.
How do our listeners approach this awesome book?
It is interesting.
As often happens as you're reading the Hebrew Bible,
the Old Testament, you get to books like this
and you think, wait, this is reading differently
than what I'm used to.
The chronology disappeared.
This sort of storyline kind of approach is gone and
we can feel a little bit lost.
There are a number of good Hebrew Bible scholars, Old Testament scholars and teachers in our
department, Tank and John, a shout out to them.
And then I have to give a shout out to my dad.
He and I wrote a paper together.
He was a vocal performance faculty member at BYU and we wrote a paper together. He was a vocal performance faculty member at BYU.
And we wrote a paper together on,
I think we called it the Psalms sung.
And so we talk about the power of the Psalms as music.
So I think I might be interested in starting there,
if that's okay.
We will link this article in our show notes.
It's called The Psalms sung,
the power of music in Sacred
Worship, Jay Arden Hopkin and Sean D. Hopkin. Just go to follow him.co, follow him.co.
You'll find our show notes. Tell us more. What'd you, you and your dad find there?
This entire scintillating article, but we loved working on this together because he brought
this musical accume into the project, right? And it was really fun for Father and Son
to be able to look at the Psalms together.
So I wanna talk about these as music for a moment
because these were designed to be set to music.
So the verse I'm looking at is second Samuel,
chapter six, verse five, David,
and all the house of Israel played before the Lord on all manner of instruments, made
a fur would, even on harps, on salt trees, on timbrals, on cornets, on symbols.
So these are put to music and these would have been really touching, really powerful, really
comforting, really motivating to those who are reading them.
And so we get the benefit and the power of the language. But then I want you to think of these moments
when you have been in distress
and how often music has healed your soul.
And I want you to think about the Psalms in that way
for just a moment, David, if you remember,
he played the harp for King Saul.
The scripture say there was an evil spirit
that would be upon Saul,
and David would come and play, and the evil spirit would pass from Saul. And so David
understood the power of music. It's not just the power of the word. Along those lines,
let me make a connection between these as music, and then the reality that these were often
used in many of them were
used in temple worship.
And there's a lot of scriptural evidence in Chronicles and elsewhere that they're singing
songs.
There's a section in the Talmud.
Let me just quote this for a moment.
Sean, remind our listeners what the Talmud is when you bring that up.
The Talmud is written a few hundred years after any of our biblical texts.
So it's a Jewish text describing and talking about Israelite views and biblical views
and that kind of thing, but the way they are understanding what's going on in the temple,
they talk about the most sacred day of the year, the day of a Talmud or Yom Kippur, these
sacrifices, these powerful sacrifices that are going on
at the temple and they connect it to and actually say, look, while this is happening, people are
singing, let me read this to you from the tall mood. They gave him wine for the drink offering
and the high priest stood by each horn of the altar with a towel in his hand. So you've got the
high priest on this very sacred day at this very sacred occasion, standing by the altar.
And two priests stood at the table of the fat pieces with two silver trumpets in their
hands.
So there's portions of the sacrifice there.
That's what those fat pieces are.
And they've got two silver trumpets in their hands.
When he stooped and poured out the drink offering, the lead priest waved the towel and bin
Artaza clashed the symbols
and the Levites broke forth into singing.
When they reached a break in the singing,
they blew up on the trumpet
and in every blowing of the trumpet,
a prostration, they're bowing down.
This was the right of the daily whole offering.
This was the singing,
which the Levites used to sing in the temple.
So the fascinating thing there is
we sort of think this strange animal sacrifice thing
and then we've got the Psalms and linking those together and showing how there's music. These
were supposed to evoke feelings of supplication to God and comforting His people and there's music
that's sort of building and connecting with this temple worship that they're doing under the mosaic covenant,
and you get a very different sense
of the temple experience at that point.
Let me just connect that for a moment
with our modern day hymns singing.
Because we think, oh, you go to church,
you sing hymns, if it's a hymn I'm comfortable with,
and I love it, if it's one of those annoying ones
that the song Picker picks,
because she thinks we need to sing every hymn in the hymn book, right then I'm annoyed.
So we've got these hymn singing experiences and notice what we're doing there, we're demarcating
sacred time and space.
We've dressed to the best of our ability and however each of us are different this way
but we've dressed to worship.
So we're distinguishing our worship behavior as a little bit different than our daily behavior.
We've come to church.
We're talking, we're milling around.
And then there's this moment, boom, where the music starts and we are united.
And there's something about singing.
I don't know if you ever thought about it this way, the Old Testament talks about how
right before Solomon basically enters into the presence of the Lord. The Lord's presence
descends upon the people. They are singing in this unified way and then they enter into the presence
of the Lord so to speak. We'll read that verse in just a moment.
But if you think about unified prayer
at the temple seeking to enter into the presence of the Lord,
and then you think about what him singing does for us.
You're saying words and feeling things in your own little space.
So there's no other place in life.
We do it like this.
The person all the way across the room
is singing with their hearts
and you are giving exactly the same message
and then heavenly choirs, that's the ideas
that you're joining in with heavenly choirs.
And so it's heaven and each of us is a congregation
saying the same message pleading with the Lord
and boom, sacred time has begun and now we're focused.
Now we're in holy space and the notice we do it again before the sacrament, now we demarcate
more holy space and then that prepares for the sacrament ordinance and it happens with
unified prayer, unified singing, we are seeking to enter into the presence of the Lord, but we don't think of just how powerful
this unified language is that unites us with heaven and unites us with each other. This is worshiping each of us individually,
but all of us with one heart and one mind. There's nothing better than music to do that.
We'll sing and we'll shout with the armies of heaven.
That's that idea. We're all unified.
I was thinking as a kid,
the reason we have an opening him
is for all the late people to get here before we actually start.
And the reason we have special musical numbers
before fire sides is to get all the late people here
before we start. But I have
never thought of it this way. They book and the worship experience. I love that idea.
So you've got it at the beginning, like you're saying, John, you've got it. And then you sort
of undemarcate, so to speak, sacred space. Now we're done. We've got someone who's speaking the prayer
there at the pulpit, and we're all joining in,
but we pray with music and then we pray in this united way. And that ends the service as well.
And now we come back into sort of more what the biblical languages or the religious studies
languages, more profane space, right? Sacred space back into profane space. Let me just read
these from first chronicles. And it's actually David.
First Chronicles 15 shows David leading a procession in song and dance as they brought the
Ark of the Covenant, the most central symbol of God's presence in Israel back among the Israelites
to reside in the Tabernacle. As the Levites made holy sacrifices and entered into the Tabernacle
or temple, David delivered a psalm of Thanksgiving. It's a song.
And urges people, sing unto the Lord, sing psalms unto them,
glory ye in his holy name,
and then listen to this language,
seek the Lord and his strength, seek his face continually.
So they are praying unilately,
seeking the face of the Lord.
And so he's connecting music with temple activity, with seeking the face of the Lord. And so he's connecting music with temple activity,
with seeking the face of the Lord.
They're in the background,
the Levitical priests are ministering
before the Ark of the Lord.
And this is first Chronicle 16,
is where this comes,
that goes on then to this incredible experience.
And then it is Solomon,
as I had mentioned before,
in Second Chronicles 5,
that as this is happening,
the trumpeters and singers
were as one to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the Lord when they
lifted up their voice, that then the house was filled with a cloud even the house of the
Lord.
And God's presence enters in as they're preparing through unified prayer as doctrine,
heaven as 25 says, the song of the righteous is a prayer unto me. Even though we don't do a lot with singing in our temple worship
today, if you would think of these unified symbolic actions we do in our
covenant making in the temple as a song and a prayer and a little bit of this
divine dance almost of preparing to enter into the presence of the Lord. There's
some really powerful, I think, the ancient sort of prepares us to understand what's going on
today a little bit better.
Oh, I love this. My mission president taught me once I was talking to my companion at the
beginning of some meeting. I was sitting next to my mission president about something during a him
And my mission president Menlo Smith lives in St. Louis
Elder by the way you wouldn't think of talking during a prayer. Would you know president?
Well section 25 says the song of the righteous is a prayer unto me and I'd never forget that So do that later and sing and participate. And I'm glad you brought that up.
That reminded me of that.
Well, and you can all think of,
we all have different kinds of music that we enjoy
and that helps us prepare emotionally.
I will say that I've gone through dark times myself
and it seems sometimes shown the only thing
that can speak to you in that kind of darkness is music. It reaches beyond
the spoken word. It's pretty incredible. I've had many experiences where I felt, man, I'm in a really
really dark place and music was able to reach me there. I bet I listened to it as well with my soul,
the Tabernacle choir singing that every Sunday.
That is so beautiful.
I love thinking of it as a prayer and a part of worship.
Yeah.
And then you'll find places in the Psalms that just speak to you in those times when you
desperately need peace and reading beautiful chapters like Second Nephi II or Second Nephi
IX, these sort of doctrinal discourses, is not your brain just isn't in a space to do
that. But then you've got the pleatings, the way that it evokes and describes our own
sentiments. And if you go to Book of Mormon, you've got Second Nephi IV, the second half
of that, which many have called Nephi's Psalm, and he's mourning, and then he turns to rejoicing, and you can see this progression that it's sort of pulling us,
meeting us where we are, and then helping us express our needs, and then expressing confidence in the Lord,
and it helps us walk through the grieving process. And I would say, if you don't have places, you can go when you are
say, if you don't have places you can go when you are devastated, when you are unable to connect the more cerebral portions of thinking about the gospel, find a favorite Psalm and
just let David's own angst, let the Psalmist's own sense of the challenges of mortality
because they felt it too.
And then think of this temple sacrifice and think of the Psalm sort of as a backdrop.
You are bringing an offering to the Lord in your own weakness and brokenness and you have this pure lamb there
and you're offering the lamb and the tension of that and then the tension builds and then it resolves into this triumphant.
The Lord has accepted your offering. He sees you, he loves you, he accepts you as his own
and think of this sort of full-bodied experience.
And then I think that can help us think about our own
sacrament, meeting worship, Sunday worship,
but also our own temple worship
in a little bit different ways.
Sean, let me ask you something.
Would you say for our listeners,
this is something that
we've had a couple of guests say this, that a lot of this was not meant to be read. It
was meant to be heard. Is that kind of how it is with the Psalms? When I'm reading this
week, should I be reading out loud? For my own ears to hear the words? Do you think that
makes a difference? Well, what we should really do is have you is seeing it out loud as yes. So the ideas are beautiful, but it's the beauty of the expression. So you
have there's a few Psalms that are what are called Acroestics, where you can
either start with the same letter every time or it can spell something with the
first letter or sometimes it'll work through the alphabet. That helps people remember,
because it was this very not always reading things
but remembering and then performing them in the place,
but it also just creates this beautiful poetic repetition
where it has power as you speak it out loud.
And this is the King James version,
as most of us are a little biased towards the King James
version, it is so poetically beautiful. But it can also help to read other English translations as
well. And just hear things a little bit differently. And you may have your own favorite version that
you find. Everything you just said reminds me of a really nice paragraph from the Come Follow Me manual. It says, as believers today, all over the world, we still use these words in our worship
of God.
The writers of the Psalms seem to have had a window into our souls and seem to have found
a way to express how we feel about God, what we worry about and how we find peace.
And what you had said about these Psalms,
that's a great paragraph.
This does talk about what we worry about.
The variety we're gonna see in these
is really interesting.
Another thing that the manual gives us,
I love it when you're giving me a way to read it.
Not just read it again, but read it and look for something.
And so the come follow me manual for individuals and families
says watch for the following, right down what you discover.
Invitations to trust the Lord in the Psalms,
words that describe the Lord in the Psalms,
words that describe the peace, strength,
and other blessings the Lord provides,
and words that describe those who trust the Lord.
I thought, what a great way to look at it and to take it apart and see all of those different things.
That was a good recommendation.
Love that.
Before we start looking at some individual Psalms, let me give you some things that are sort of structural and overview kinds of things,
what we're seeing in the Book of Psalms.
So first, let me read this statement by a biblical scholar.
The Book of Psalms is unique in the Bible because it is a collection of literature of prayer,
praise, and meditation.
If the Bible's narrative materials relate what God has done, and the prophetic literature
reports what God has said, the Psalms present the response of the people to the acts and words of God. So we
should be able to connect to this and feel it because this is how we feel as we interact
in mortality with all of our weakness with the divine, with our Heavenly Father. As a book of
the people, the book of Psalms has been especially valued for both public worship and private devotion among Jews and Christians. That comes from the anchor Bible dictionary. There are five main sections
in the Book of Psalms, which is known as Tehileem in the Hebrew. If you think about those five
divisions, traditionally then that would mirror the five books of the Pentateuch or the Torah.
Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy.
So Psalms 1 through 41, division 1, 42 through 72,
division 2, if you like,
Mark and things in your scriptures or whatever.
Psalm 73 through 89 is 3, 90 through 106,
and then 107 through 150.
Those are the five divisions,
and each of them end,ly enough with a short,
what is known as a doxology, a hymn of praise, it's just very short. So you can find that in 41,
72, 89, and 106, and then Psalm 150 provides the concluding doxology for the fifth section and
for all of Psalms. It's beautifully organized. And that is maybe sort of unnecessarily detail-oriented,
but those kinds of things can help as you're reading through the Psalms and looking for that
organizational pattern. They didn't just throw a bunch of hymns together saying, yeah, just put
them in there. They put them into five specific sections. They organized this. Who wrote the Psalms would be a question we should ask?
There are super-scriptions above many of the Psalms. Some of those may have been added
later. And so there are of interest. David was a Psalmist. Did David write all the Psalms?
No, he was a Psalmist. And so we have in the Psalms a record of the kinds of things that he wrote and things that he wrote, but not all of
them are written by David. 73 are ascribed to him. 12 to someone who's mentioned in 1 Chronicles 16. I
was just reading from 1 Chronicles 16 with you to Asaph, 2 to Solomon, 1 to Moses. that's Psalm 90, and then there's a bunch of unknown ones. If you go to 2 Samuel 23,
you can read a Psalm of David. So right there in the scriptural account, you're reading through,
and it's a history, it's a storyline, and then pause, and here it's sort of like Nephi Psalm,
right, where you're reading through, and all of a sudden Nephi breaks into song, or into this
beautiful poetic language. And so that, I just wanted to give you a little bit of overview of what we're
looking at here with the Psalms. Three most quoted books in the New Testament, Isaiah, Deuteronomy, and
Psalms. Jesus loved the Psalms. Oh, can I bring up something right there?
It's actually one of the verses that says to look at
in the manual and I have appreciated this
when I've taught New Testament
because what you just said,
I think that's kind of an ah-ha.
They're referred to a lot.
Look at in the last chapter of Luke.
Okay, so here's the resurrected Christ, Luke 2442. They gave him a piece of
a broiled fish and of an honeycomb, and he took it and did eat before them, verse 44, and
he said unto them, these are the words which I spank unto you while I was yet with you,
that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the law of Moses and in the prophets
and in the Psalms concerning me. And I'd love that
here's Jesus saying, hey, look at the Psalms. I'm in there. I'm glad you brought that up. Say that
again, the ones that are most quoted in the New Testament. Deuteronomy, Isaiah, and Psalms.
Wow. And a couple of examples, you just gave us a really nice one. And by the way, they sing a Psalm at the end of the last supper.
So if you think of singing Psalms to prepare
for challenging moments and also to seek to enter
into the presence of the Lord, so to speak,
and then what Christ is going to be doing shortly thereafter,
you can see that he is using music to help prepare others,
to help prepare himself for the challenging things ahead.
A couple of fascinating places, one of them is Jesus. So John 10, 33, Jesus answered them,
is it not written in your law? I said ye are gods. He is quoting from Psalms right there.
If he called them gods under whom the word of God came and the scripture cannot be broken,
he's saying, why are you criticizing me for calling myself the son of God if the Psalms themselves? And so he's using the Psalms to sort of support
what he's teaching that I'm the son of God. So why are you critiquing me that I'm declaring
that I'm the son of God? If your very own scriptures say ye are gods. Don't take up stones to
throw them at me.
Is that Psalms 82?
It's 82 verse 6.
82 verse 6. I have said ye are gods and all of you are children of the most high God.
And he's saying, why are you bothering me for talking about being the son of God
if your own scriptures call all of you the children of God, which is pretty fascinating,
fascinating for us as
Latter-day Saints to consider that message there because there are certainly those who might
critique some of the way we think of ourselves as the children of God. I was going to mention,
I loved how you said, Jesus loves the Psalms, because this is the same Lord who July 1830, the church has been around for a whole
two months, three months, calls on Emma Smith to create a book of hymns. It's the same
Jesus. He said, you know what we need in my church? We need songs. We need music.
We know God loves music because of the way it resonates with us.
And we as his children were built that way.
And I don't know that we fully know why,
but we are built to love and be changed by and be comforted by
and be strengthened by these kinds of things.
John, you talked about the song that the using there's
an arrangement by Dan Forrest,
who's a more current composer.
I heard somebody sing it in church,
and I fell in love with it,
and then my poor kids are like,
Dad, you gotta stop listening to that song.
It just spoke to me, just comforted me.
I think of a Book of Mormon reference
when in Alma 5, he was Chief Judge,
he steps down, I gotta go talk to my own people.
He's saying, do you remember, I'm paraphrasing, when you were first felt to sing the song of
redeeming love? Can you feel so now? It's like there was a time when you just wanted to sing,
and he seems to be asking, what's happening? Are you sloping upward or sloping downward?
And I love that he would compare that to a song. But what you felt when you came into this,
you wanted to sing.
Do you feel that way now?
Remind me of that.
That really is great.
When I hear that in Alma 5,
I think of the Victoria song that is sung
after they've come through the Red Sea.
So Miriam Song and Moses' song,
which is considered very ancient literature,
all biblical scholars would say,
this is some of the earliest literature that we have.
God saying, I have freed you,
and then you exalt in the speaking as Christians,
the freedom that comes through the atoning love
of Jesus Christ has made us free.
Why are you going back, but you won't stay free. You want to
bind yourself back up with chains of pride and rebellion and rejection of the God who is trying
to free you. Can you still sing or did you lose the song? You were free and then you burst forth
into song, but now your back where your heart doesn't sing anymore.
Like Alma. I wrote a book on happiness. It sold dozens of copies
in the research for that book. One thing I found is one of the habits of the happiest people is
they're deliberate about their music. They're very deliberate on this music makes me feel this way. They don't just kind of,
hey, whatever comes on, I'll listen to it. I have a happy playlist. And I even read one study where
those who listen to an hour of uplifting music every day versus those who got an hour long massage
every day for 90 days, those two groups, the music group reported being happier,
less anxious and less depressed. There's just something about music that touches us in a way that
just nothing else can. I think you're right, Sean. The Lord loves music. It rings true to our souls.
There's something inside of us that maybe even remembers our heavenly home when we hear the language of music.
Yeah, I feel like music is kind of another worldly thing.
Like it's from someplace else, it's can do everything we've just been talking about.
I love what you had said Sean about.
It's kind of a universal language and we all unite together at the beginning of a meeting.
It's a uniting thing when we can all sing the same song together.
That idea of praying unindedly and there has to be this unity of feeling, a unity of heart,
and thinking of myself sitting in a worship, a sacrament, worship service, and maybe there's
a neighbor from a few houses down who I'm not close with, but then he cares about the same things I care about.
There's a five-year-old who's singing at the same time.
And the community of God joining together, putting it all aside, and we are of one heart and one mind,
and the way that can change us. I think that's what the Psalms are trying to accomplish.
Oh, I just remember one of my high school teachers saying,
who here loves movies?
And we all raised our hands. And he said, it's not movies that you love. It's music. You watch
a movie without the music, Harry Potter without the music, Jurassic Park, Laders of the Rust,
our Star Wars, all of these movies are speak to our souls, not necessarily because of the movie,
because of the music. I've watched a YouTube the other day
or had it going while I was cleaning up my office
of John Williams movie soundtrack classics
that he had written.
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Beautiful.
Thanks for letting us go off there, Sean, for a minute.
I love it.
I love it.
So fun.
So before we actually, and we should dig into some
of these Psalms that the text,
but before we do that, just one other thing I need to
just communicate here, and that is that there are
different kinds of Psalms that are here in the Tehilin
There's different there for different purposes. They were for different times and different needs
And so let me just give a list of the different kinds that you can find and then you could
Recognize them when they're there and say this might be more useful for me in a certain kind of setting. So Psalms of lament or prayer,
and these are powerful, we've already talked about,
there's this sort of threefold movement
of expressing vulnerable how I feel.
When we'll look at Psalm 22 and a little bit,
and when Christ quotes it, my God, my God,
why has thou forsaken me?
He's quoting from the first line of,
but that first section of a psalm of lament
that then moves into a plea for help
and then an expression of confidence that God will help,
almost like he already has.
And you can think of these again with temple sacrifice,
you're bringing the sacrifice,
the death of the sacrifice,
as visceral, literally visceral
of it experiences that would have been, and that turns into a plea.
And then you're sort of pouring out or the priest is pouring out the blood upon the altar,
but then that acceptance of that sacrifice by the Lord.
So you can see that mirror there.
Psalms of lament, Psalms of praise is another grouping, Psalms of Thanksgiving, and those are similar, but the psalm of Thanksgiving comes
sort of after the blessings have been received and you're coming up to the temple to praise the Lord and song.
Royal Psalms are sung on specific feast days, and there are
good scholars who believe that the Psalms actually hold echoes of earlier
what might have been closer to our understanding of Melchizedek priesthood kind of temple worship,
that you can find embedded in the Psalms the concept of the anointing of the king, of
the death and resurrection of the king of, and potentially even of the death and resurrection
of God, that those may be embedded that earlier temple worship that existed for ancient Israelites.
That's not, certainly that's debatable.
Not everybody would believe that, but some have proposed that possibility.
Songs of Zion and then these liturgies.
And you started Hank, it was really fun.
John's clean hands and pure heart.
Yes.
But many believe this was a temple recommend.
Well, who's gonna ascend?
And well, those with clean hands and pure heart.
And you're singing that as you ascend potentially
those temple steps.
And for those of you who have stood on the southern temple
steps that have been excavated, they're in Jerusalem.
You're walking up those uneven steps that mirror ascending
a mountain and you're saying, well, who's
going to send into the mountain of the Lord?
And you're preparing those with clean hands
in a pure heart.
And you've probably, depending on the different timing,
have had a ritual bath.
You've immersed yourself in a mikvah.
And you're then ascending, maybe carrying the lamb,
is my heart pure? are my hands clean,
am I ready for this?
And there might even be time.
There's sort of a call and response sometimes
with the Levitical Singers that one side will sing
something and then another side will respond.
So there's all kinds of different moments
that these Psalms would have been powerful.
Wow, that's great.
Sean, I just kind of want to I want you to
break into song here at any moment.
I'm feeling it. I had a really fun
experience where I was talking with
Psalms sitting next to your
host, Bonner, and those of you who
have heard any of the bonners.
And I said, hey, could you sing that?
And he just and I thought, oh, that's what the Psalms
are supposed to sound like.
You were saying, should I read these aloud?
And I'm like, yeah, but have you a host boner come over
and have him sing some Psalms to you?
And then that'll give you the sense of it, I think.
So maybe it behooves all of us.
I don't know that we're all suited for this.
I don't know that I am, but to be a little bit of Psalm writers
and express ourselves through journaling
or whatever the case may be,
let me just read you a few statements from Joseph Smith.
It's not to music, but he's writing in his journal,
oh, how marvelous are they, work so Lord.
And I thank thee for thy mercy unto me, thy servant.
Oh, Lord, save me and thy kingdom for Christ's sake, amen."
Now that's a prayer, but that is, that's beautiful poetic language.
Here's another one.
My heart, this is 1835, my heart is full of desire today to be blessed of the God of Abraham
with prosperity until I will be able to pay all my debt.
It is the delight of my soul to be honest.
O Lord, thou knowest
right well, help me, and I will give to the poor." Not beautiful. The expression of the heart,
one more from Joseph Smith, I say in my heart, I will trust in thy goodness and mercy forever,
for thy wisdom and benevolence, oh Lord, is unbounded and beyond the comprehension of men,
and all of thy ways cannot be found out.
So we talk about David the Salmust.
Here's Joseph the Salmust.
There's a beautiful one.
If you want to go to October 1973, General Conference Report,
read Elder Maconke's,
Psalm that he writes.
I'll just read the last couple of lines.
Oh, praise the Lord, seek ye the Lord, seek him who rules on high, seek him, whose will
we know, exalt his name and seek his face.
Oh, seek ye the Lord.
And then if I can just do one more from President Hinckley, this is beautiful.
And this was performed at his funeral.
Yeah, I remember this thing that men call death, this quiet passing in the
night, does not the end, but Genesis, a better world in greater light.
Those of you who remember with fondness, President Hinckley can imagine him writing this,
oh God, touch thou my aching heart, calm my troubled haunting fears, let hope and faith transcendent
pure give strength and peace beyond my tears.
There is not death, but only change with recompense for victory one, the gift of him who
loved all men, the Son of God, the Holy One. So what would the expression of my heart
look like? What would the expression of your heart look like in the Psalms?
So we're encouraging everyone. Give it a try. Get your journal out and see if the pen of heaven doesn't come to you.
I know it has for me before.
Sean, you're reminding me that I haven't done it in a long time. I haven't sat and written.
Written out a prayer because it turns into a song.
Good. What would you like to do, Hank and John? What should we do next? Do you want to look at some powerful songs?
Yeah, let's do. Let's start going through some.
This is the first third of the book.
We can't look at all today.
So we're counting on you to show us where we need to highlight.
One of the things I really want to do
is spend some time in Psalm 22.
We'll get there eventually.
And then we've got to spend some time in Psalm 23, of course.
We've already talked.
We sort of danced around Psalm 23 a little bit
because it's such a powerful one for so many including me and I assume both of you.
Psalm 24, we've already referred to that one, but we should read that together again. There are some sweet spots in the Psalms.
And let me just mention some of these to you. And then let's just read some of them and joy reading the Psalms together. So the theme,
the Lord will protect, defend, and deliver his people. Psalm four has beautiful messages. Psalm
five, Psalm seven. So let's just go to Psalm four. John, why don't we have you do verses one,
three, five, and 6 from Psalm 4. when I call unto him. Offer the sacrifices of righteousness and put your trust in the Lord.
There be many that say,
who will show us any good?
Lord lift thou up the light
of thy countenance upon us.
So you can see this connection with
I have a need, I'm bringing
and expressing that need before the
and I'm expressing confidence in the Lord
and then this concept
of seeking after the face
of the Lord in his holy temple.
If you think of when we pray beside our beds,
we do this as well.
We sort of demarcate sacred time and sacred space,
and we use the sacred name of the Son of God
to enter into the presence of God.
And you could almost picture him hiding behind a veil,
or hidden behind a veil, and you could think of the veil of Solomon's Temple. Think of the brother of Jared
where he's praying. And then he looks up and God's hand pierces through that veil. And he's like, whoa, God has a hand. If he has a hand, he must have a body.
If he's willing to show me his hand,
maybe he's willing to show all of himself to me.
And then he pushes through the veil
and stands in the presence of God.
It's very, very powerful.
And this is what we're doing here.
This is prayer that you're seeking after the presence of God.
And this symbolizes all of our prayers.
Maybe not the ones where I'm just exhausted laying in bed
like a cocoon, maybe or maybe not,
but although I think God probably is compassionate
even in those moments,
but where we're truly seeking to come to know God,
and you can see that God will come and protect you
and save you.
Why don't we go to Psalm 6?
The Lord will give them mercy and forgiveness and
Hank John read it really poetically so
I'll do my best. I'll do my best.
What are we?
Do verses one through nine and then those that are listening, I hope you'll just enjoy some scripture being read here.
Oh Lord, rebuke me not in my anger, neither chase in me in thy hot
displeasure. Have mercy upon me, O Lord, for I am weak. O Lord,
heal me for my bones are vexed. My soul is also sore vexed, but
thou, O Lord, how long? Return, O Lord, deliver my soul, O save me from thy mercy's sake.
For in death there is no remembrance of thee in the grave, who shall give thee thanks?
I am weary with my groaning, all the night make eye my bed to swim, I water my couch with
my tears. My eye is consumed because of grief, it waxeth old because of all my enemies, depart from me, all ye
workers of iniquity, for the Lord hath heard the voice of my weeping, the Lord hath heard
my supplication, and the Lord will receive my prayer.
Oh, wow.
I mean, it's got to be a new favorite spot, right?
It is just the next time you're just beside yourself because something
difficult has happened. You've had a disagreement with someone that you care about or you're
in the midst of conflict and you're being misjudged or maybe not misjudged, just
correctly judged or whatever the case may be, or something financially has gone wrong, something's broken, so to speak.
This expresses the heart to cry before God.
I did a study once of all the different places
we find that question at the end of verse three.
How long?
It's not, I don't believe in you anymore.
It's you're there, but how long do I have to go through this?
Can you think of some of them with me? Well, you've got Joseph Smith.
Yeah, that's Joseph Smith Liberty Jail.
How long?
Where's the pavilion that cover thought hiding place in that?
When Isaiah receives his call, Alma in prison, how long?
When Isaiah receives his call, and hey, how long is this going to be this hard?
Well, until the earth is wasted without inhabitant.
And so those are kind of fun to see.
And I like that the question is not, why have you abandoned me or is God real?
It's, I'm going through something hard.
How long do I have to go through?
I think there's a testimony in there.
Do you kind of hear what I'm saying?
It's, it's not that I don't believe in God anymore.
It's just how long will you help me through this?
Yeah, and in fact, how often is this?
I mean, it really does reflect our issues.
How many times have you been asked to comfort someone?
Someone was in need of comfort.
And really the question of the soul is,
when, how long it's a timing thing?
And you have confidence that this is all going to work out, but that person is in the
valley of the shadow of death and they just can't see it.
And that's the cry.
It's not that I don't believe.
I'm trying to believe how long is this going to last?
Can I handle this?
And so to hear that reflected in Joseph Smith's cry, to hear that reflected in the solmus
cry, over and over again, is really powerful.
Yes, great.
Sean, sometimes I think we say in our heads, oh, I can't complain to God.
It's inning to complain to God, but just read a song then, because they complain enough
for you.
This is getting old.
I love that.
It waxeth old because of my nanomies. God, this is getting old.
I don't like this. So if you feel like, oh, I could never complain to God. Just go ahead and read a
Psalm and just say, I'm just reading scripture because wow. Yeah, that opening paragraph in the
manual, this is a window into our souls, how we feel, what we worry about. Let me take just a little
bit of a different tact and approach for just a moment.
And then maybe let's move to Psalm 22.
There is both in Isaiah, you're saying,
if you think that we're not supposed to complain
ever read the Psalms, or you could read
some prophetic literature from the Hebrew Bible, right?
Jeremiah, he's feeling it and he talks to God.
He's not like, well, I gotta be careful.
He's like, no, God knows how I feel
and I'm gonna express myself here.
And there's something healing about that.
There's something healthy about God
helping us work through the morning process.
And it's not, no, you gotta shut it down
and just put on a smile all the time.
God is the one that he can hear you.
He already knows what's in there.
So let it out with God.
Yeah, he already knows.
Might as well talk about it.
You know what that reminds me of is some of you might know,
brother John L. Lund, he's like a marriage family guy.
Right, yeah, John Lund.
And one of the things he talks about is that we tend
to take our frustrations to our family and our love to God.
We only talk to him about how much we love him and he says,
can we switch that and take our love to our families and take our frustrations to God, which is such an
interesting idea as what we're talking about right now. Take your love to your family, take your
frustrations to God and let him help you with them. That's what these sound like.
And wow, you see that here. And you see a morning because of sin.
These are the ones that are often ascribed to David where he just,
I have sins, nigh unto death. Please give me a right heart again. Please heal me.
Now, let me hit a little bit of a different topic. We've talked a lot about
how God connects with our hearts. There is, there are a few verses that I want to point out
where, and we've talked about the ancient temple imagery here
that, and the way these were used in the temple,
but there is some really powerful hand imagery in Psalms
where God is reaching out, and if you think of an image
where God is reaching out to grasp you and pull
you into a relationship and save you maybe from drowning or whatever the case may be.
Let me point to just a few of these powerful verses.
This may get us a little bit out of our first third of Psalms.
Look at Psalm 48 verse 10.
Let's look at that one for a moment and
Look at how they're understanding the relationship with God
Psalm 48 verse 10 according to thy name, oh God
So as thy praise and to the ends of the earth and in this moment thy right hand is full of righteousness
So notice how it's saying God
is full of righteousness. So notice how it's saying, God blesses and lifts you as a right hand that is full. And in Hebrew, the letter cough is shaped like this. And it's also the palm
of the hand. And the idea is that that hand is full of blessings, of power, of strength, and then it turns over and pours those blessings out
upon God's people.
That's the first image that I write hand
is full of righteousness.
Let me show you another one and Psalm 73, verse 23.
Nevertheless, I am continually with thee,
thou hast holden me by my right hand.
Now God, whose hand is full of strength, power, goodness, and righteousness, is reaching
out and holding us by our right hand.
And he's pulling us into our really.
So the supreme power, so to speak, of all things, the one who can hold all things in his hands, then
meets us face to face and holds us.
And think of this beautiful image of holding hands with someone you love, or you're maybe
an older person holding the hand of a little child and walking with them and keeping them safe and communicating
your love.
And this beautiful imagery in verse 23, you have held me by my right hand.
This is how well the psalmist knows God.
What psalm is that again, John?
That psalm 73, verse 23.
Yeah, I think we're now out of our first third.
Just go one psalm over.
Let's just do one more. Psalm 74 verse 11.
This is a little bit of a different approach. And this is someone saying, I want to restore that relationship with you. And look what he's saying.
Let's start in verse 10. Oh God, how long shall the adversary reproach? Shall the enemy blaspheme my name forever? This is the how long question. I want to restore this relationship. I want this restored. And look at the way he describes this.
Why with drossed thou thy hand, even thy right hand,
pluck it out of thibosom?
So the image here is, God, give me your hand again.
Let me return to that relationship,
that covenant relationship with you.
Really a vocative language, if you think about relationship
and connect with you.
It's really a vocative language if you think about relationship and connection and this covenant
to love that exists between God and His people.
I love what the psalmist is doing there.
So give us those three one more time.
What are they again?
So take a look at Psalm 48, 10, 73, 23, and 74, 11.
In fact, let me just, since we're talking about it, this is not Isaiah, of course, that we're
talking about.
We're talking about the Psalms, but let me just mention to you the powerful one that we're
most familiar with from Isaiah, which is, I have engraven you upon the palms of my hands.
Anciently, there were those who would not necessarily
Israelites, but there were others who would put the name
or the image, something representing the God they
worshipped on their hands.
So they could show that.
So people could look at that.
They could show it.
Here's who I'm devoted to.
And God seems to be reversing that,
I am eternally devoted to you.
And that symbolism of your name is on my hand.
I am devoted to you.
It reverses almost that relationship.
And then let me just read a little statement
about this idea of the hand that I've been referring to.
So they point to this in Isaiah
and then we'll leave this sort of hand imagery topic alone
for a little bit, but if you look in Isaiah 49, 15 to 16,
first of all, the nursing mother may forget,
yet I will not forget, and sometimes we just take that as,
well, mothers love so much that they wouldn't forget,
but there's something more there,
physically speaking, the nursing mother cannot forget.
It's physically painful for the nursing mother
to be separated from her nursing child.
And so God starts by saying, I am pained like a mother.
If a nursing mother is pained by her separation
from her child more so, eternally more so,
am I pained by my separation from you?
The nursing mother might forget, I will never forget you.
I've engraven you upon the palm of my hand.
In the Hebrew Bible, when someone is consecrated to an office, what we would say they are set
apart to an office, the English word that the King James Version gives is they're consecrated.
They're set apart to that kind of thing.
But the Hebrew doesn't say that actually.
That's just the way we translate it.
The act is to Malay et a Yad to fill the hand.
I filled the hand of the priest.
And that's what's happening in the Hebrew.
So the idea is God is placing in our hands
His power, His strength, His blessing, He's filling
our hands, maybe with symbols, with signs.
So if it's a priest, maybe you've got consecrated oil, maybe you've got the blood of the sacrifice,
the pieces of the sacrifice, that which you need to do to function.
So if you think of being set apart, then those hands are pouring out upon you, blessings, power, and authority, and you are receiving that
so that then you can pour it out upon others.
And so we're receiving power from God and then pouring it out.
So let me read this from a non-Latter-day Saint biblical scholar.
To consecrate means to fill the hand, especially which that is the sign and symbol of office,
i.e. to fill the hand with a scepter
was to consecrate to the office of King.
So your King now, and what do I do?
I put in your hand the symbol of the office
so that people know who you are, what authority you have.
To fill the hand with certain parts of sacrifice
was to set apart for the office of priest
and to confirm their right to offer both gifts
and sacrifices to God.
Whenever the word refers to official appointment or separation to a work or dignity,
it is the sovereign act of God.
The accompanying symbolic act was the filling of the hand of the person so appointed
with the sign which marked his office.
May feel like I've gone off on a tangent and I maybe have a little bit,
but I want to go back to this image of Jehovah saying,
I've engraven you, my hand is filled with you.
And then when he drinks that bitter cup
in the Garden of Gethsemane and on the cross,
his hands are filled and then he drinks it.
That's what he needs to do to express his eternal
and infinite love, his healing love for us
that then will conquer death
and sorrow and sin. So there's all kinds of things embedded in this hand imagery. My right hand is
full of goodness. The right hand of God is full of goodness. And you're going to grasp me in this
loving connection by my right hand. And there's this transference of love, of power, of authority, of a covenant relationship.
Is that like a study Bible or?
The Bullager, B-U-L-L-I-G-E-R, number in scripture.
So it's the work that's talking about symbolic language
in the Hebrew Bible.
That's page 145.
So that's where you can find that if you're interested
in going and doing some studying and looking that up.
That's just, this is mind-blowing stuff.
Please join us for part two of this podcast.
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