Free With Ads - The Opposite of Sex, with Alonso Duralde

Episode Date: June 11, 2024

Emily and Jordan invited Alonso Duralde from Maximum Film to talk about the queer cinema classic The Opposite of Sex starring Christina Ricci, Lisa Kudrow, and Lyle Lovett.Make sure to join Maximum Fun so you can listen to our newest bonus episode about Street Fighter The Animated Series.Buy Alonso's book Hollywood Pride - A Celebration of LGBTQ+ Representation and Perseverance in Film. Get it wherever you purchase fine literature.Visit Emily's ETSY store right now and buy some stuff!Give us 5 stars and a review on the Apple Podcast Store! DO IT NOW! 

Speaking of sax. Oh yeah, sure. The opposite of sax. No, I meant your interstitial music. Oh yeah. I can't think of what it sounds like right now. This is Free With Ads, the podcast that asks the question, why pay Netflix 12 bucks a month for 10 episodes of Wednesday when you can go on 2B for free and watch the original Wednesday Addams,

get pregnant, pound Long Island iced teas, constantly smoke and otherwise endanger a fetus that ends up turning out fine. I'm Jordan Morris. And I'm Emily Fleming. Today's movie is the opposite of sex, the 90s indie comedy that walked through the fourth wall so Deadpool could run through the fourth wall. Joining us for today's movie is a film critic, co-host of the MaxFun podcast Maximum Film, and the author of the gorgeous new showbiz book Hollywood Pride, a celebration of LGBTQ

plus representation and perseverance in film. Alonzo Duralde. Hi, Alonzo. Thank you for coming. Thanks for having me. I'm a big fan. And, you know, when I was putting together the book tour, it was like, book me on a show where they are kinder to Alien vs. Predator

than to Godfather 2. And they're like, they're just the show for you. I'm sorry. And since we have this great guest here with us, we're going to do our signature segment, Talk to Guest. Talk to Guest. So, Alonzo, I do want to tell folks what your really gorgeous new book is about. I feel like me giving the elevator pitch will make

me sound dumb. I'll let you do it. I know you're on a book tour, so I think you probably have this down. Sure, yeah. It's basically a history of queer Hollywood, both on screen and off. So it's about the movies and the characters and the cult favorites from over the years, but it's also about all the writers and directors and movie stars and costume designers and cinematographers behind the scenes that made queer movies happen, that made movies your dad liked to happen. All the movies. There's no mention of Hunt for Red October in here. The only movie my dad likes.

No, no. The cinematographer of Rocky and the Karate Kid was a gay man. And like, you know, he's one of many people like that. So, yeah. So that's, you know, we were starting at the dawn of cinema, going all the way up through like everything, everywhere, all at once. It's a really beautiful book. And there are like blurbs about movies that you would expect. You have Paris is Burning and Pink Flamingos and things like this. But I want to talk about some unexpected movies

that you mentioned in here. Let's talk about Showgirls. Showgirls gets a beautiful mention in this, and I want to ask why you included this classic question mark? Well, you know, I think it's a movie that gay audiences immediately embrace because there is this, there's a lot of drag energy coming off of that movie. But it's also it's big and it's trying a lot of things.

And, you know, it was immediately sort of, you know, despised, I think, by people and kind of insulted. But it very quickly became a queer cult movie. And I think now you will even find a growing sort of consensus that it actually might be a secret classic, that it might actually be this great satire about Hollywood, but they put it in Vegas to make it look tawdrier. But at the same time, you know, you've got Elizabeth Berkley and Gina Gershon vamping each other like mad. They're the central relationship of the movie. They both fuck Kyle MacLachlan. But it's really about the two of these ladies just having the rhinestone showdowns going on.

And it occupies this weird space of a movie that is absurd at one level, but also saying real things about being oppressed by the man, like the literal man. And I think that queer audiences love both those things. Where are all of we? Emily, I want to get your, are you a member of, Showgirls is actually a sneaky classic. Are you a member of that cult? It's a total classic.

Yeah. I love that movie so much. I don't know. I think anytime it comes on, there's been parties where it's on in the background. You can't play that in the background.

It sucks you in immediately. Of course. You end up just sitting down and people try to talk to you and you're like, what? Stop partying! Gina Gershon ate dog food! She's talking about

eating dog food! Yeah, that puppy chow thing was weird. I don't know where that came from but i like the relatability of the two a straight male screenwriter i don't know yeah that was fun but also like kyle mcglaw is the pool really the um part of the i think the pool is also for sure a sexual entity uh yeah no. That scene, I think, has a certain level of immortality. But it's funny because that movie was written by Joe Estraza, who also wrote Basic Instinct,

which is also a queer cult favorite. Sure. And the funny thing is both of those movies, they keep telling you how the leading lady is so incredible in bed, and they have the same move in every scene. And in fact, like, Sharon Stone and Elizabeth Berkley have the same move. Wait, what's that? Which is they basically get on top and writhe a lot.

Like, and that's, that apparently, like, no man can resist because everybody keeps talking about what a great move it is. I don't know. I have no dog in this hunt. I'm not here to say either way. I mean, if I even get on top, it's like, you're welcome. I'm not doing a lot of it. I'm not doing much else.

I'm not whipping around. I'm just like... You are nodding at video games, and that is its own level of dedication. You also mention, this is kind of a meme I've noticed, and I'm glad you addressed it in the book because I was kind of wondering where it came from. The meme that the mummy, the Brendan Fraser mummy movie is like the cause of bisexual awakenings. This was news to me. I have to say, this is a thing I learned.

I got on social media one day and i said hey bisexuals what are the bisexual cult films they aren't like about bisexuality they don't directly address bisexuality but y'all all are into it and you know and it's like a secret handshake and overwhelmingly the response was oh 1999's the mummy had Had no idea. But yeah, apparently that is the movie that set an entire generation into thinking all of the above. Yeah, because everyone in that movie is sex. Pretty much. Mostly it's Rachel Weisz is like the thing that, I mean. Look, Rachel Weisz.

For me, that's what it is. Rachel Weisz is pushing buttons. Brendan Fraser is pushing buttons. Are there people who like The Mummy? Maybe Arnold Voslo is also pushing buttons. Are there people who like the mummy? Maybe Arnold Voslo. When the mummy has all the skin and stuff, yeah. Oh, you like him with skin. I like him with skin.

No, I like him with mostly tendons and a beetle coming up one eyeball and then up through the nose. That's what, I mean, talk about penetration. Yeah, sure. And also the- Spray me with beetles, daddy. Oh my God, those beetles are crazy. Scarab wings. But his love, the lady mummy.

Oh yeah. She's hot as hell too. Everybody's hot in that movie. Sure, everybody just needs to climb in the sarcophagus together. It's a buffet where you're like, my eyes are bigger than my stomach. That's very true, yes. Yes, this is a gorgeous book. I've spent some time with it.

Thank you. And Alonzo is a great writer about film. Very witty, very thoughtful. If you love movies, please check out Hollywood Pride. It's a great book. Thank you. And the movie we're about to talk about today

gets a lovely mention in the book. You suggested it. I'm really glad you did. We're about to talk about the opposite of sex. But before we get into the movie, we want to mention that it has a brief mention of sexual assault, and we will be playing a clip later on in the episode that contains a slur. So if that's not the kind of thing you want to hear about, we're going to play a bit of music and give you a chance to find a different episode. We're going to play a bit of music and give you a chance to find a different episode. We'll be right back. We're back.

It's Free With Ads. We're here with Alonzo Duralde and we're going to talk about the opposite of sex. Alonzo, this movie gets a brief mention in the book. I knew it from the poster. The poster lived in my brain, but I had never seen the movie. Yeah. Can you tell us why you chose this one and how you talk about it in the book? Yeah, the 90s are really interesting because they start with this movement that comes to be known, you know, B. Ruby Rich calls it the new queer cinema. So you've got like Poison and Paris is Burning winning the jury prizes at Sundance in 90. It was the first year that like both big prizes were won by queer films. And then the next year at Sundance, you know, Ruby is moderating this panel with, you know,

Todd Haynes, but also Greg Araki, who's there with The Living End. And Derek Jarman, who's putting out Edward II, which is a later film for him, but very kind of queer revolutionary. And all these other movies that are sort of signaling there's this movement, this moment that's happening. and all these other movies that are sort of signaling there's this movement, this moment that's happening. And Poison, the Todd Haynes movie, is really experimental and dark and weird, but it gets an audience because there's so nothing for queer people that, you know, once it gets some notoriety, people are going to see this movie in arthouse theaters.

And over the course of the 90s, you see this realization of like, oh, wait, we can make some money on these movies if they aren't super expensive. There is this sort of urban arthouse audience, mostly gay, but also like cool straight people who will come see them. So you start seeing the queer rom-coms emerge and different kinds of movies. And so The Obvious Intersex is the directorial debut of Don Roose, who had been a successful screenwriter at that point. And it's a movie that, you know, it's got some marquee names in it. It's playing in big theaters. It is, you know, being sold as a like hip urban arthouse comedy that also happens to be super gay. Yeah, I think the tagline is something like, you'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll be offended.

Yes, this movie is really, you know, giving think the tagline is something like, you'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll be offended. Yes, this movie is really giving you the, there's a little bit of edgelord energy here. Sure, yes. But also I think it's interesting because it is so darkly funny about, well, I mean, this is probably the first movie where characters were making jokes about AIDS in a way that was aimed at gay audiences who had been through the ringer for two decades worth to kind of find amusing and not just sort of like the AIDS jokes of an 80s teen comedy. So there's a there's a sense of humor here of like, you know, queer artists talking to queer audiences. And if allies are hip enough to get it, then they can come along. But we're not going to hold your hand. We're not going to like subtitle this movie for you. You're either in or you're out. We're talking to each other. Emily, do you did you see this movie when it was out or do you have any memories of it?

No, I had this the first time I saw it. I just remember, you know, it was 1998 when this came out and I mean, the 2000s were horrible to young actresses in the media and I think that

Christina Ricci was the first example of fat shaming in like, like the movies for young girls because I loved Christina Ricci. I'm a big now and then and Adam's family and all that.

And she's also in this movie called Gold Diggers. I was just going to say. I love Gold Diggers. And it's What's-Her-Face who was in My Girl and Veep. I can't remember. Anna Klumski. Anna Klumski. And they were like one girl is from the wrong side of the tracks, and they find a

treasure map, and they build a raft, and then- That sounds fun. It's an adventure. It is like Tom and Huck. So they were literally digging for gold. They're not like after a man's money. No, no. It's not a remake of Gentleman Prefer Blonde.

No, no. It's two girls in a small town building a raft looking for gold. It was like, yeah, it was like Tom and Huck, but two girls. It was so fun. And then there was a photo of the black bikini and her with her blonde hair that came out. And I remember going, I kind of look like this girl. I just remember going, oh, okay, cool. Christina Ricci doesn't give a shit.

Why should I give a shit about being in a swimsuit or whatever? And then it was just people talking about how she was fat. And I watched this movie, and the whole time I was watching it, I was going, I want that outfit. I want that one. She looks so cool. I just remember looking at it and going,

God, what the fuck? And that was before the 2000s when it got really bad with the low-cut jeans, and it was like, if you don't have a six pack, you're fat. It was like, it was starting to get bad. It's bad in 98. The Maxim magazine era, right? Well, I mean, that poster looks like a Maxim magazine.

It's like, it's fine. But she's also so young. And for them to be critiquing it, I don't know. It bummed me out. But then I saw it and I was like wow this is a cool role for her that she did and I think she's a badass and she looks great and she's really I mean funny but also a total asshole yeah I know she really is she's such an asshole I was seeing a lot of movies like this when it came out like I you loved Flirting with Disaster and I love Welcome to the Dollhouse and stuff like this.

And I was like driving up to the one little art house cinema in Costa Mesa to see movies like this. And I remember it coming out and I remember the poster. A lot of the advertising was Christina Ricci in a bikini. Not only is she not the main character of this movie, but this is a movie about two middle-aged people finding love later in life. They are the main characters, but they sell it with her and she narrates it.

It's fucking brilliant. It really is. It's this sneaky movie about coming into your own in middle age, but they sell it with this kind of like... But the catalyst is a girl in a bikini. Yes, exactly. Totally, yeah. Anyway, so yeah, let's actually start talking about it.

Dee Dee, played by Christina Ricci, she starts giving us some voiceover. She has this self-aware voiceover where she's kind of talking about movie tropes, and she's like, this is going to get complicated, you're going to need the voiceover. And she's like, it's not one of those movies that ends where I'm going to say, I was never the same after that summer.

And it's like, this concept is maybe like a little bit played out. I was like, okay, okay, okay. But it's so funny. The writing in these asides is so funny and good. And the way they like kind of fuck with movie tropes is so funny. I immediately went from, hmm, I don't know, to like, I love this more of this. And we'd heard a lot less of that in 1998. It felt fresher.

Yeah, totally. Exactly. And yes, we are in a movie where they're just cranking out Deadpool movies every couple of years and this is kind of getting old. But yeah, I think at the time this was like really cool and interesting. I want to play a little bit. And I think this, I laughed so hard at this first line. This is her at her stepdad's funeral and she is smoking at the funeral and having a fist fight with her mom.

Anyway, can you play this clip? My mother was the kind of mother who always said she was her daughter's best friend. Whenever she did, I thought, great, not only do I have a shitty mother, my best friend's a loser bitch. I love calling someone a loser. It was good, yes. Okay, so her stepdad dies. She runs away from home. She grabs a gun on her way out.

She's like, remember, I'm grabbing the gun. It's going to come back later. So funny, so funny. And she runs away with a guy named Randy who has one ball. Just kind of a dumb guy named Randy. And Randy drops her off to stay with her half-brother. This is Bill. And they live in Indiana.

So this is Bill in Indiana. They say it's Indiana. This is the most obviously shot in L.A. movie I have ever seen. Yeah, that ain't Indiana. There's an In-N-Out burger in the background of every shot. I loved it. I loved, I loved, I ain't Indiana. There's an In-N-Out burger in the background of every shot. I loved it. I loved, I loved, I don't know. I think we talked about we kind of love when every movie is obviously shot in L.A.

And this was really fun. Yeah, there's a Something Wrong called Anfong Billboard. Yeah. Right. Like, we're going to Canada. You're at the Grove. They turn on the radio and it just says, keys, keys, keys, keys, all that. These are amazing local references, people.

If you're not from L.A., get with it. These are amazing. Yeah, so she goes to her half-brother's house, and his new boyfriend opens the door. Hey, I think it's time for Hunk Watch. It's Hunk Watch. So this is Matt. No, Emily's shaking her head. You go ahead.

Matt. I was going to say. I'm offended by this immediately. Well, great. This is going to get spicy. I think I know where this is going. Okay.

I'm going to break a hole. Oh, I can't wait for you to guess. And I have maybe a guess too. You know exactly who it is. Okay. So an episode or two ago, we watched Tank Girl. Have you seen Tank Girl recently?

It's been a while. Tank Girl has a man in it that I think I called the most 90s man of all time. Matt, close second. He looks like he's the bass player of Sugar Ray. He's got the hair drapes. He's a really sweet, funny version of a dumb guy. They really do a great job of making him just kind of a dude, but not a huge cartoon.

He's great. I love Matt. Matt's a hunk. Emily, I bet you liked Bill. No. No? Alonzo, you want to guess? Is it Love It? Yes, it, you want to guess? Is it Lyle Lovett?

Yes, it is. Hell yeah. Lyle Lovett. Hell yeah. You can take the girl out of Nashville. Oh, I love it. You guessed it. So you like how Lyle Lovett doesn't look like he knows he's in a movie?

It's hot. I don't need him to know where he is. Okay. I don't need him to be good at movie. I so much appreciate your love and anyone's sexual attraction to Lyle Lovett. Because people say you look like him? Yes, because you have to understand that- You do not look like him.

No, I know I don't look like him. It's the hair. You have the hair. But so people who look like me, we're strange looking people. And then a sex symbol comes along. So this is so interesting. A lot of people saw themselves in this movie. A hundred percent.

Okay. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yes. This is both a queer movie and a Matt Lieb movie. It is. Yeah, but it wasn't until Adam Driver showed up on the scene. Oh, that's a good point.

And Lyle Lovett's got a little bit of an Adam Driver thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like an uglier Adam Driver. He is not ugly. Well, not to great people like you. Oh, wow. Well, I mean, I think he has an amazing singing voice, but his speaking voice really is also very, like, I love his speaking voice.

His little twang. And he's tall and he's got that great curly hair and he's just got this kind of. You're talking about me. It sounds like it's a. Yeah, but also Lyle Lovett has this kind of distant, like, look in his eye where it's like, you'll never fully understand me because I don't really get it either. Like, it's just, but I don't know. He I don't really get it either. But I don't know. He was married to Julia Roberts. Let's not forget.

And in the Mary Chapin Carpenter song, I Feel Lucky, she talks about having Dwight Yoakam on one side and Lila Lovett on the other. Exactly. With that in mind. Young Dwight Yoakam can get it. Emily has the vapors. I do, I do.

I love Dwight Yoakam. Alonzo Emily has the vapors. I do. I do. I love Dwight Yoakam. Alonzo, any opinions on the hunks of this movie? You know, in 98, I would have agreed with you that Matt was the hunk of the movie. But now, I'm team Bill. Yeah. Bill's great. Yeah. Bill's very responsible.

He takes care of everybody. So chill. And he was in several Hal Hartley movies. I don't know who Hal Hartley is. This is bad. He was a 90s phenomenon. He's still around, but he was a super hot arthouse guy in the 90s and then kind of went away. I love hot 90s character actors.

Do you guys ever think about Peter Green? I don't know. I guess I don't know who Peter Green is off the top. The bad guy from The Mask. I don't often think about the bad guy from The Mask. Maybe I should. Peter Green is in a movie called Clean Shaven that will give you nightmares. Oh, yes.

I've seen it. Yes. And he was also in Pulp Fiction and The Usual Suspects. And Blue Streak starring Martin Lawrence. Okay. Free with ads at MaximumFun.org. Let us know your favorite 90s character actor that you can't stop thinking about. Ooh, yeah.

Peter Green. Very nice. Also, Matt, you were an attractive gentleman, so stop calling yourself a good-looking guy. I did it for the compliment. And you got it. Stop fishing. Stop fishing. Make a sting.

Stop fishing, Matt. So, okay. Stop fishing, Matt. So, okay. So we have Matt. He is a teacher at a high school. He finds a kid that is doing graffiti on the bathroom. So funny. Comes over and corrects the grammar. It's about him, too.

It's something like, you know, Mr. Truitt takes it in the bathroom and he corrects it. Fucking great gag and and yes points to how chill he is and how willing he is to just take whatever from anybody and he just has complete faith that things will work out always yeah i don't is that what being an adult is that just like i don't know i feel like if any little thing happens to me, I lose my fucking mind. And then other adults are like, it'll be okay. It'll work out. I'm like, why? How do you know?

And this guy's just like, it'll work out. Yeah. Just driving around, giving people $10,000. Dude, I don't think it's going to work out. And then Lisa Kudrow is the, ah! Yeah, exactly. Like, the woman. So, yeah.

So, Lisa Kudrow comes over. She is the sister of Matt's former boyfriend who died of AIDS, so it kind of like, yeah, really like roots it in the 90s. So many sister-brother parallel things going on. And meanwhile, Christina Ricci is out on the deck by the pool in the kind of now iconic bikini that they showed you in every commercial for this movie. And she's like seducing Matt.

She's like doing the rub some lotion on me, takes off her top. Asked her if he's worried he's going to get a Woody. When's the last time you heard Woody? I liked hearing Woody in a movie. Remember when that was a boner? Anyway, Woody. Now you just think a toy story. Do you think it was just like the writer was having fun with making it a little campy-ish?

Or what was that? Well, I think maybe he's trying to capture the voice of a 16-year-old girl from Louisiana. Yeah, yeah. Nailed it. I think Woody was acceptable slang in the 90s. Maybe it wasn't. Nah. I think that a boner was pretty much what everybody was saying.

A boner is now and forever. I remember sometimes people would say hard on. Do you remember that? Yeah, I don't love hard-on. Who the fuck says that? I don't love hard-on. We can do two syllables, but not two words. Kids these days just say bricked up.

Bricked up? Bricked up. I like bricked up. Sure. I don't like it. When people see mine, they say, that's mid. Oh, boy. That's mid.

It does feel like a little bit of this sometimes was feeling a little Diablo Cody. Oh, maybe a little bit. Some of the language, like with the Woody and things like that. I was like, this does feel like a kind of camped up version of a 16-year-old girl. Yeah. In a movie. Because the movie itself feels like it's not quite reality. It's elevated.

It almost felt like a John Waters movie at certain moments. Yeah, it definitely has some of that energy. Wow, this is going off the deep end here. We got a dead guy. It's crazy. Where people are being very declarative about the things they want even when those things are terrible. And there's

a plot involving someone's ashes. I think that was like kind of a, yeah, that was something that maybe we did a lot in the 90s to get laughs. It's like, ah, my ashes. Get those ashes out of here. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's like Big Lebowski. Big Lebowski, yeah, yeah.

So anyway, so Matt and Dee Dee start sleeping together. She immediately gets pregnant. Yeah, what? I thought they slept together once. It happened very fast. I guess that happens to Lisa Kudrow later. She sleeps with Lyle Lovett once and gets pregnant. Oh, well.

Okay, but we later find out other things about this pregnancy. Oh, yes. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. We should say, yeah. He was like, we were using condoms.

And she goes, well. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, eh. Well, he's gay and he's dumb. That's true. And I will say, I love the kind of specific dumb guy they make him. His job is he works at Kinko's. I'm like, that's the best detail that tells you everything you need to know about this guy. Oh, Kinko's.

Kinko's. So, yeah. So they split town and take a bunch of money. They take a bunch of money from Bill. And then Johnny Galecki comes over. Probably still on Roseanne at this point, right? Oh, maybe so, yeah. So Johnny Galecki comes over.

Yeah, he's kind of playing like a, I don't know, how would you describe what he's doing here? He has a little blonde wisp in his hair. He's got a rogue wisp. Yeah, he has rogues. Yes, he recently stole someone's powers. I need a call on this one. Can a bad dye job be considered the worst hat? Yes, it can! Matt, play the

Sting! The worst hat. There it is. Johnny, if you like his Susan Sontag stripe is the worst hat. Thank you. He's wearing like a sweater vest with no shirt on underneath. I think he talks about him having a lot of new piercings. Grabbing the nipple ring. That's also something we saw a lot of in the 90s.

Grabbing somebody's nipple ring. That's true. Yeah, that was funny. So Johnny Galecki wants to know where Matt has gone. Bill doesn't give up the information. So Johnny Galecki kind of has this smear campaign that he does. He says that when he was a student at Bill's high school, Bill molested him. And this starts like a media circus.

Remember media circuses? It very much felt like they were kind of parodying like Tanya Harding and who was the Long Island Lolita. Oh, right, right. Yes, yes, yes. Amy Fisher. And also it's very John Waters because it's like something out of Serial Mom. Oh, yeah, you're right. You're right.

Oh, that's right. And then they kind of go around and interview kids at the school. One of these is going to be my line of the movie, but they go to this girl who says that like she's talking about, and, you know, like everybody who's not gay in this movie is homophobic. And like, she's talking about how they don't have gay porn at Blockbuster because it's very family and she works there. Okay. Yeah.

Yes. Do you have more to that line? Oh, I was just going to say how there was a rumor when I was growing up that Blockbuster had secret porn. That's what I thought too. Yeah. Did we all? It was just like my uncle works at Nintendo. We just all heard the same weird little rumor.

It wasn't a secret. You just rented wild things. Right, right, right, right. They would carry unrated movies that you just wouldn't carry into something. Well, I know that like a lot of, you know, local rental stores always had that back room. So I feel like we just assumed that Blockbuster had it.

Had one. Yeah. Maybe you're right. Maybe that's what people were talking about. The line that you're referencing, I'd forgotten until watching this movie again. My husband and I have periodically thrown the phrase man on man action. I know. Into various conversations and I'd forgotten this is where it came from.

Oh, this woman's thing is such a fucking home run. She's got this one little part and it's so funny. Well, so Jordan and I love American Horror Story 1984. We do. And she is, Leslie Grossman is the actress. Oh, that's Leslie Grossman? It sure is. Oh, God, of course it is.

She's the main baddie in 1984. She's the one who owns the camp and comes back. She's the real,die in 1984. She's the one who owns the camp and comes back. She's the real spoiler alert, everybody. On AHS in 1984. She was on Popular, right? She's the real killer. She was on Popular, right? I never watched Popular,

but I believe you. But she's great. Ryan Murphy, mixed bag. He can cast something real fun. He really can cast something in a fun way. He really, he's, I mean, I think that's his strongest. He can cast something in a non-fun way too. But I think 1984, in my opinion, is my favorite American Horror Story. It's great.

I love it. I totally love it. Yeah. So they find out that Matt and Dee Dee went to LA, where they are, where they all are all the time. No one, yeah, no one gets far away from the 405 in this movie. to L.A., where they are, where they all are all the time. No one gets far away from the 405 in this movie. And they go to West Hollywood.

I love, and then there's these shots of them walking around West Hollywood. Everyone is a shirtless hunk. I love it. It's just all these muscle men coming out of various stores. It's so funny. I mean, at one point he is standing in front of the mother load, which is a context for shirtless men. But you're right. This is a WeHo of the mind.

Sure. And I lived in WeHo for years and years and years, and I just kind of loved seeing all this stuff that's not there anymore. A hamburger haven. We get a little shot of hamburger haven, which closed down. So it was really fun to see that stuff. Oh, they find where Matt has gone because they see his picture. He's the employee of the month at a taco place.

So they find out where he is. Fun little coincidence. Looking very depressed in that photo. Yeah, I know. He's so bummed. But he made employee of the month, so not so bad. So they arrange this meeting with Matt and Dee Dee in a steakhouse. Very beautiful, old-time steakhouse.

Dee Dee is smoking, orders a Long Island iced tea. We love it. Yes, we stan a legend. What to expect when you're expecting. Yes, exactly. And it looks like they just bring her a regular iced tea. I don't know if there was a thing where like, oh, we don't want to show her drinking. Anyway, her drink, I'm like, that's not a Long Island iced tea.

Pause it. Bullshit. Visually, how is a Long Island iced tea different than that? It has a swirl. It has the swirls of the liquors in it. Yeah, it's usually a little cloudier. Because if you get an Arnold Palmer, it's usually a lot more watery looking. Good point. But yeah, Long Island iced tea, it's usually a lot more watery looking. Good point.

But yeah, Long Island Iced Tea, it's got that kind of cloudy. It could glow in the dark if it tried harder. Emily and I look at the booze in a movie like it was the Subruder film. Liar! Liar! Where's the orange rind? So we find out that they got married in Vegas. They kind of start to suspect that maybe the baby is someone else's.

That seed is kind of planted here a little bit. They say it's probably someone with an eighth grade education and a trunk full of Waco pamphlets. Love that topical reference. Love that reference to Waco. Nineties. Weird, weird. of Waco pamphlets. Love that topical reference. Love that reference to Waco. 90s. Weird, weird. 90s. And they're holding the ashes of Bill's dead boyfriend,

Lisa Kudrow's brother, hostage. I know. It's so wild. Just a wild left turn. What was so weird is when she discovers the ashes in the house, you can hear the narration. She picks it up and she's like, nice urn, most gay people's things are. Or something like that.

Yeah. And it was like, what? You're talking about the urn being nice? It was weird. Her dialogue in this is so interesting. She's a dumb homophobic person but yeah she is kind of accidentally constantly complimenting gay people yeah i don't know people like houses yeah sure yeah their stuff is so great and there's everyone likes them yeah it's really it's it's funny you can kind of tell

that like like you know this movie is kind of edgelordy at parts and it has that tagline like you're going to be offended but like the movie is constantly signaling to you that it's satire you know like I don't think you would I don't think anyone

would watch this movie and like think we're supposed to agree with yeah exactly she is like a bad person from the outset and I think

I don't know that's why it really works and I think like stuff some stuff with this tone from this era doesn't work anymore or is ickier but i don't know i this this to me i'm like i get the satire is very clear yeah right and i will say in 1998

everyone was a homophobe sure yeah yeah that's sure they get that part 100 right for sure i um i was looking at christina ricci's um you know catalog of stuff that she's done. And what's interesting is Ice Storm was right. This is sandwiched between Ice Storm and Buffalo 66. Banger. Bangers. Nothing but bangers with Ricci. I know. She was like in this moment.

A Ricci-sans. A Ricci-sans, yes. Well, this was when she was like experimenting with adult film. Yeah, for a sans, you have to come back. Like this was when she was experimenting with adult film. Yeah, for a song, you have to come back. This was first time. Yeah. So she went from That Darn Cat to Ice Storm, The Opposite of Sex, Buffalo 66, Fear and

Loathing in Las Vegas, and then Small Soldiers. She hit like a chunk and then went, fuck this. One for them, five for me. And every Disney actress since then has wanted that trajectory. Yeah, you're right. This is like a familiar thing. You see the, yeah, right. The actor who's had this kid's success do things that are kind of outrageous like this.

Zac Efron is, oh, who's the cute serial killer? Oh, sure, sure, sure. Ted Bundy. There you go, Ted Bundy. I think we really got to stop saying cute because really? Not a Bundy, babe. We should say hot, you mean.

Hot, no. It's just like, I think to be a classically handsome American man, you got to have two eyebrows, just two of them. Okay. That motherfucker, you look in there,

you're like, this guy has never seen a comb. I don't know. Tweezer. Uh-uh. I just, yeah, he's not hot. His greatest crime, the unibrow. Yes.

So we find out that Christina Ricci is still sleeping with Randy, the guy with one ball. A funny just little detail about Randy. One ball, that's funny, but also he's like a psycho but also a Christian. Yes. They kind of confront him. Well, that goes hand in hand with the one of them. Yeah, I'm sure. Maybe not a huge surprise.

And they're like, so it causes this fight in their shitty L.A. apartment, which, by the way, is perfect. They picked the perfect shitty L.A. apartment. Yes. And she yells, Randy, be Christ-like. Lyle Luffett shows up. He is the kindly sheriff from their town. He's doing his best.

He's the kindly sheriff, and he's just checking in on everybody. He's following them to LA. Well, he's smitten with Lisa Kudrow. Yes. And she keeps putting him off because she thinks that he cheated on his dying wife with his dying wife's nurse. Whereas actually he slept with his dying wife's nurse with his dying wife's

knowledge and approval apparently. Yeah. So yeah, Lyle Lovitz there. He's showing up. He's helping out. He's having a weird energy on camera that some find delightful. Yes.

Well, I mean, when you first see him, he's the one who comes over to Bill's house to be like, listen, Jason is coming up with this stuff. I don't like this kid. I don't believe him. But, you know, I'm going to have to look into this. Yeah. And he's just I like that guy where he's like, you know, I'm on your side, but I got a fucking, you know, personal man. But it's like at least you got this sheriff who's on your side. He's nice. And he goes to buy Lisa Kudrow beers from 7-Eleven, which is very-

Oh, he's such a puppy dog for Lisa Kudrow the whole movie. That is literally all it takes to win my heart. If you can be beers from 7-Eleven, I will poke a hole in the condom. Let's go. Well, it's the shampoo that really pushes her. Oh, that's right. She'll also get some shampoo. What was that about?

I know. The whole shampoo talk. Okay. So, Dee Dee and Randy run away to Palm Springs. They buy a motorcycle. Great thing for some dumb people to buy. That's great. When you're pregnant, you really want a motorcycle.

When you're pregnant, you want a motorcycle, of course. They have a fight in their hotel room. The gun that we see in the first act does indeed come back. It does indeed go off. There's this kind of, I think, pretty wonderfully shot kind of tracking shot where you kind of go up both of their bodies and you're not sure who got shot and if they're dead um the gun the gun the gun they both reach forward they both yes yeah for sure and uh and yeah so it is randy died and then there's this great gag where she's like if you feel too bad i'm going to show you something from a few minutes later and they go to the coroner and he's saying

this guy had an enlarged heart and probably would have died in a week anyways. It's fucking hilarious. At least he went peacefully. Yes, exactly. And the coroners are doing such a goofy job acting. It's really, really funny. Wait, so were they in an apartment or in a hotel? I think they were in a hotel.

Yeah. A lot of this movie happens in hotels. It was a hotel with a little counter bar with its sink and stuff. I love this motel room. Yeah. I mean, I think this is actually shot in Palm Springs. A lot of the exteriors do look like Palm Springs. So that's my... Bedroom of the

movie. Bedroom of the movie is that one. I love, I like that. Do I have a sting for that yet, Matt? No, but it's happening, man. Yay! It's gonna be so good. Bedroom of the movie. There's also things... Matt's just up till 2am every night creating new stings. It's gonna be so good. Yay! Bedroom of the movie. There's also things- Matt's just up till 2am every night creating new stings. It's just me saying three words over and over.

Bedroom of the movie. We gotta have one every time they mention caramel now I guess. Kill me now. Time for commercial break. My own hell. I love that we have like, I just like that we have a sting sting also. We do have a sting sting. We have a sting sting we have a Sting sting. We do have a Sting sting. We have a Sting sting.

We are rich with Sting. So I really, really love, like, bedrooms in movies. But then I also like cars in movies, even though I don't drive. All the more reason to want to see them in a movie. Right. There you go. When Christina Ricci's character. It's a fantasy object.

Yeah, exactly. I like seeing spaceships in movies. I've never been in one. I guess a car really is a spaceship for me. I will never operate one. But when Christina Ricci's character is approaching her brother's home in Indiana, he has a yellow BMW convertible, like this tiny little convertible. Oh, okay. I didn't notice that.

It is so cute. I want that car. So this is where the kind of Lyle Lovett, this is the Lyle Lovett booty call. He goes to visit Lisa Kudrow in her motel room, the 3,000th motel room in this movie. He says, I bought you some beer from 7-Eleven. And she reaches in the bag and he's like,

I also bought some shampoo. And then they, and she's been talking before to Bill about how like she doesn't feel like a sexual person. And she's like, why do people even do this? And she kind of blames sex for Bill being in the situation he's in. It's like, oh, if you just didn't want to have sex with Matt so bad, we wouldn't even be here. So she like kind of doesn't get it, and then Lyle Lovett comes. He brings her the 7-Eleven beer. This flips a switch within her.

They start to kiss, and then this music starts to play. I mean, Kenny G whiz this music. Has anyone ever been turned on by this music? Can you play this? Does this do anything? It's so unfair. You? Yeah.

You like it? Okay. I like it. You like a soprano sax? That's not sopranos. That sounds like, you know, 90s. Oh, I guess I mean the instrument is not a baritone sax. No, no, no.

A soprano sax. I like it. Yes, I do. I would love a soprano sax, though. That would be great. Gobble, gobble, gobble. Jinx. And the crazy thing is this is not like some library music.

Like Mason Daring did the score. Really? Yeah, who's done a whole ton of like legit movies. I don't know if this was that era where everybody was just sort of hitting the test button on their Casio keyboard. Oh, funny. Yeah, it is. It is. Sax E. And just kind of a weird little gag.

And maybe you guys can explain this or if it was just kind of something random. But she pulls him in the hotel room and he drops the beers, the bag with the beers and the shampoo, and she comes back out and grabs the shampoo. Because in the previous scene with Bill where she's talking about how she doesn't understand sex, she says, I understand if it's a back rub or a really good shampoo. Like if somebody's going to shampoo your hair for you,

that's the kind of intimacy she's looking for. Okay. That is very intimate. Yeah, very much. I thought maybe she had mistaken the beer for shampoo and they were going to be drinking anyway. Where was the shampoo drinking scene? I think we all wanted to see that. Women want to be shampooed by Lyle Lovett

and I don't judge them for that. Okay, no, you're right. Those long spindly musician fingers. I bet he could do it good. Play me like a Rickenbacker. So they go back to Indiana, North Hollywood, and Bill is kind of in exile. The Johnny Glecki blackmail has worked.

He can't get his job back. There's this shot of him looking lonely at his house in his backyard. He's just wearing like a detective trench coat anyway. He just looks like McGruff. It's so we know that it's fall in Indiana. That's right. In Indiana, you would be wearing a coat because it would be so cold. Yes, seasons.

Other states have them, definitely. All states. The states that they're in have seasons. So Johnny Galecki comes back. I just wrote down, there's a line delivered. He's like, oh, so busy. Really funny. Just really says that in a hilarious way.

Good job, Galecki. Sitcom pro. This is where the nipple piercing grab happens. So he's grabbing his nipple piercing. He's like, take me to Matt. This is my favorite line of the movie. Oh, yes. Because Martin Donovan, after being a chill bro and letting everybody walk all over in this entire movie,

finally gets the monologue that I think articulates the fury of so many gay men of a certain age. Yeah. Yeah, let's do that. I'll save mine for the end. But yeah, since we're talking about it, Matt, do you have this line queued up? Listen to me, you little grunge faggot. do that. I'll save mine for the end. But yeah, since we're talking about it, Matt, do you have this line queued up? Listen to me, you little grunge faggot. I survived my family,

my schoolyard, every Republican, every other Democrat, Anita Bryant, the Pope, the fucking Christian coalition, not to mention the real son of a bitch of a virus, in case you haven't noticed. And in all that time, since Paul Lynn and Truman Capote were the only fairies in America, I've been busting my ass so you'd be able to do what you want with yours so i don't just want your obedience right now which i do want plenty of it but i want your fucking gratitude right fucking

now amazing 10 10 no notes yeah absolutely i love uh yeah yeah we we love a rant and yes we love uh love all those great topical references in there yeah it, it's gorgeous. Look, I grew up in the era where the only gay men on television were Paul Lynde, Truman Capote, and Charles Nelson Reilly on The Magic Age. Of course. And that was it. Paul Lynde is gay? Shh. So, yeah. So, they're all doing this up at like a cabin.

I guess Bill also has a cabin. Bill's doing great. No, no. They booked a cabin. I guess Bill also has a cabin. Bill's doing great. No, no, they booked a cabin in Canada. Oh. It's off season, which is how they were able to get it cheap. Thank you very much. Thank you for explaining this movie to me.

Yes, thank you. By the way, Jordan is the kindest person on earth because I barrage him with stupid DMs after every episode to mention like the most. I love it, frankly. Details of the movies I'll talk about. And I'm like, oh, my God, he's going to kill me. No, this is great. If a few days go by and I don't get your message commenting on what happened on the podcast,

I worry. Is he okay? Did he not like the episode? Is he not listening anymore? I'm always like. Well, let's check on Alonzo. It makes my butt clench up when I hear people are listening to the podcast. I'm like, huh?

Can we put these on the internet, Emily? I know, but it's like I don't talk to anyone who listens to it. We're not doing it here. I know, but I never, like, the only people who I talk to that listen to it are the people that come on the show. Don't worry, Emily. And I'm like, you actually listen to it? Don't worry, Emily. What? I don't listen to it. Yeah, you come on the show. Don't worry, Emily. You actually listen to her? Don't worry, Emily. What?

I don't listen to her. Yeah, you do. I have to. Yeah, you do. Yeah, you have to. You actually, you had some cool facts about Tab Hunter, who we mentioned in our Grease 2 episode. Yes.

Yeah, he was a kind of a traditional hunk in the, like, 50s and then, like then came out and had this kind of resurgence thanks to John Waters, right? Yeah, absolutely. He was in Polyester, opposite Divine, which was sort of his first step out of the closet and then eventually wrote a memoir. I put him with Rock Hudson and Tony Perkins. They were sort of all of a period. In fact, Tab Hunter and Tony Perkins were a couple for a while.

But Tab Hunter's the one who got the happy ending. But the fun thing is that, you know, Warner Brothers Records exists because of Tab Hunter. Because he was under contract from Warner Brothers. They made him a singing star, which they just would do with pop idols back then. Teen idols, movie idols. And he had some hit singles for another label. And Jack Warner was like, why aren't I having these? Right.

So now we have Warner Brothers records because of Tab Hunter's singles. Yeah. Alonzo Duralde knows his movies. Hollywood pride. Bookstores everywhere. Available now. Get it, get it. I'm going to have a big time hunk watch all night looking at Tab Hunter photos.

Very hot. So we are about to get to the shocking conclusion of the opposite of sex. But first, we're going to take a little break. We're back. It's Free With Ads. We're here with Alonzo Duralde. His new book is Hollywood Pride. You should get it. Okay, so at this cabin,

Dee Dee goes into labor. Everybody kind of runs to the hospital together, and we think for a hot second Okay, so at this cabin, Dee Dee goes into labor. Everybody kind of runs to the hospital together and we think for a hot second that she died in childbirth and she does like a big old psych out. And yeah, and she goes to jail. Bill gets his job back, everybody kind of fesses up. So Bill's doing okay.

And then Dee Dee kind of like gets put into like their custody and so kind of like they're raising the baby as kind of a big you know kind of cobbled together family it's really really sweet and then she kind of starts to like run away you think she's just gonna leave

the baby with Bill and her social worker who is Bill's new boyfriend. Yes, there you go. And also Lisa Kudrow and Lovett are now married. They have a kid. She got pregnant during that wild night after a couple of 7-Eleven beers.

And some clean hair. And some rinsing and repeating. So yeah, she starts to run away but then she kind of sits down and we're not sure and we're not sure what she's gonna do it and it kind of like ends on this note where she's like you know i i didn't want you to like me i didn't think you were gonna like me at the end of this and you know and you're still not going to and then she kind of calls back she's like but i was never the same

after that summer and then she like looks at the camera for the first time, all of her talking to camera has been in voiceover, and she just looks at the camera for the first time and says, go, and that's the end of the movie. It's really kind of cool, it's a really cool like, you know, it's really cool to see her like actually look in the camera as opposed to just happening over voiceover, it's really neat.

And that is the opposite of sex. Yeah. Let's talk about best lines. Alonzo, you gave us your best line in the movie. I want to play this whole monologue from, what's the actor's name, Emily? Which one? The one who was from American Horror Story. Oh, Leslie Grossman.

Yes. Okay. So this is her monologue. This is the only part she's in in the movie, and it is so fucking funny. Matt, can we play this line? This is America, and we're Christians here, aside from a few Jewish people who were just born that way. And I can tell you one thing.

Jesus Christ and his apostles were certainly not into man-on-man action, which is how they describe it on their porno videos, which I'm proud to say Blockbuster does not carry. I work there, and it's very family. Very family. I mean, home run. Fucking she, yes.

I remember hearing that and going, very family. It's like, but you can only be a very family if you fuck. Like, you have to create a family by fucking, usually. Unless it's a chosen family, of course. But family-friendly means, you know, you never actually see anybody fucking. No, no, no. Yes, of course.

Yes, you go to a curtain blowing in the breeze. And then when you do it, it's all missionary and all procreative. Sure. Yeah, yeah. Unless you want to flail around on top. And of course, this music is playing. And that's how Lisa Kudrow got pregnant. And that's how Lisa Kudrow got pregnant.

And that's how Lisa Kudrow got pregnant. Hey, we are going to rank this movie on a scale of 1 to 10 super loud commercials. Oh, when we come back. It's Free With Ads. Alonzo Duralde is here. He has a new book, Hollywood Pride. You should get it. We are going to rank the opposite of sex on a scale of 1 to 10 super loud commercials.

Yeah, we'll let Alonzo go first since this was his pick. We'll let him have the last word. Yeah, I'll start it off. I really had a great time with this movie. I'm so glad you brought it to us. Just a breath of fresh air, a fun glimpse into those kind of indie comedies of the 90s. Yeah, a lot of fun performances. And like we mentioned, some like of its time stuff

and some stuff that maybe feels a little bit edgelordy. But I think if you're looking at this as a movie that was very progressive for the time and really interesting with a lot of cool performances, you're going to find a lot to like here. And yeah, I think we were even talking about it before we started, but this is kind of a weird lost movie. It hasn't been around.

I certainly haven't seen it on any streaming services. So it's a good example of how the free with ads averse can bring us some wonderful gems that were buried so deeply in the sand of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, I'm going to give it an eight. Eight commercials out of 10 commercials. I liked it a lot. Emily? Eight because Lisa Kudrow was amazing in this movie.

God, wasn't she? I know. We didn't talk about her. I was going to say, everything out of her mouth is just zing, zing, zing. Yeah. Well, she's just, I mean, I think that I'd say she's an underrated actress, but I think that people know. I think that this is a thing that everybody knows.

I just think she needs to be in every movie ever. She's so funny. She's so good. She plays things so straight in this movie and it's so funny. Because she plays it so straight, it's just impeccable acting. Also, she's so beautiful and I remember when she was talking about

Christina Ricci was talking about her character when she was younger, how you're going to go, aw, she was, she describes her as ugly and unattractive and you're going to feel bad for her, but this is the thing, if you were at a party, you wouldn't want to sit next to her either. And I was like, she's so pretty.

I don't understand what you're talking about. With that scene, they put her in a bad bridesmaid dress. I'm like, nope, still beautiful. Yeah, still stunningly beautiful. They might give her a bit of a Ted Bundy brow. Oh, she might have had a Bundy brow. Might have had a Bundy brow. They gave her the old Josie Grossy

thing there, but I just thought she was, this movie was truly Bill and her character. Yeah, I know. It is like they are the main characters of the movie. For sure. Yeah, Alonzo, what do you think? One to ten. I'm solidly thinking eight as well, actually um i had not seen this in quite some time and and

yeah part of it is is really dated and and feels very specific of that moment and the kind of comedy that was coming out of that moment but yeah uh kudos performance all the performances i think are are really sharp but kudos especially, I'm sure this was written for her and her gifts at like sort of side eye and harumph, you know, and she's just making the most out of every juicy bit of dialogue. But yeah, I think also, you know, just thinking historically, as I have been with this book and all, like this is this moment of an unapologetically queer movie this is not a movie of like like us please we're just like you it's like fuck it we're gonna we're gonna talk about the stuff that we're embarrassed about or that we know that we aren't supposed to be talking about in front of straight people we're gonna do it and you're either gonna be amused by it or or you know if not tough fuck you and uh and and i i like that kind of energy excellent um

oh but before we before we get to the plugs i just wanted to ask uh do you have a do you have a relationship to the free with ads category do you watch a lot of movies on these types of streaming you know it's funny i remember i the reason i discovered Tubi in the first place was because that was the first place that ever streamed Matilda, the terrible boxing kangaroo movie. Not the good Matilda. No, no, no. This is a 70s movie about a boxing kangaroo with Elliot Gould and Robert Mitchum and like the fakest kangaroo costume you've ever seen. Oh, I've seen images of this. Yes.

It's horrifying. It's a book. I grew up with that book, The Golden Turkey Awards, and I was obsessed with bad movies, and I could never find Matilda. And so then when Tubi had it, I went down this whole Tubi hole. And this was early Tubi when it was just like they were ripping VHSs and it was just anything they could find.

Tubi's a little classier now, not much though. A little bit, yeah. But you can still see, like, you know, what's the one with Killer Dilf? There's some kind of, like, there's some kind of, like, Lifetime-y movie, but with Dilf in the title, and it's

must-watching. Hell yeah. But, yeah, no, I... Dilf versus Mega Crocodile? Probably, yes. That's why that rolls off the tongue. But, no, you know, and once a week on Deck the Hallmark, we talk about like sort of off Hallmark Christmas movies. And a lot of them live on freebie and on, you know, a lot of these different kooky services. I'm also a big Canopy fan, of course.

Oh, sure, sure, sure. Yeah, yeah. It's not exactly free and it's not ads. Yeah, if you have a library card, you can log into Canopy and there's some classier options on Canopy. Oh, for sure. Yeah. But Opposite of Sex is there as well.

Oh, great. Okay. But yeah, I'm a... Oh, Lindley has pulled up Matilda. It is still on TV. All right. Maybe. It is painful.

Perhaps coming up on a future episode of Free With Ads. We'll come back for that. Please. Oh, I dare you. Heck yeah. Well, let's talk about plugs. Alonzo, please. Oh, I dare you. Heck yeah. Well, let's talk about plugs. Alonzo, we'll end on you because you have the coolest thing.

Emily, you ain't got anything? Just the Etsy store, man. Get to the Etsy store. Just get in there, man. Hey, a joint plug for everybody here at Free With Ads. Matt, correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe our bonus episode

on the pilot episode of the Street Fighter Saturday morning cartoon. It's out, baby. It's now available. Oh, it's out. It's now available for all MaxFun members. Oh, boy. You're going to need to listen to this one. Yes.

Emily found the pilot of the Street Fighter Saturday morning cartoon free with ads on YouTube. The whole series is up there. Anyway, so we watched it and had a blast talking about it. And we're going to be watching a bunch of these TV pilots over the course of the year and putting them up there in the MaxFun bonus feed. So MaximumFun.org slash join if you're not already a member. You can do it there and listen to a bunch of cool bonus content, including stuff from Maximum Film. Yep. Alonzo, yeah, tell us one more time where we can get the book and anything else you want to chat about.

The book is Hollywood Pride, and you can get it wherever you purchase fine literature. It's a book. It's an e-book. It's an audio book. I read, if you want eight hours of me in your ear, I read the whole dang thing as an audio book. And if you have a library card, ask your library for it. And if they don't have it, ask them to get it. And ask them to get the e-book and the audio book on the Libby app.

You know, all of that stuff matters. And I would just like people to read it however it is they come by a copy, so that would be great. You can read my reviews regularly at thefilmverdict.com, and I am in the podcast space on Linoleum Knife, which is the show I've been doing with my husband Dave White since 2010. Also, Maximum Film here on the MaxFun Network. Breakfast All Day, which is a YouTube show and a podcast that I do with Christy Lemire from RogerEbert.com. And I pop in once a week on Deck the Hallmark. So

yeah. Hot damn. A lot of Alonzo out there. And I'm a big, big fan of this program, so I'm so thrilled to be on it. Oh, we're thrilled to have you. Thank you. Thank you for coming on our program. We're doing Matilda. Okay. Coming up on a future episode of Free With Ads.

Matilda, the boxing kangaroo movie. All right. Tune in next week when our movie will be The Purge. Yes! Yes! Oh, my God. The gems. Thank you.

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