Free With Ads - The Trial of the Incredible Hulk

Episode Date: July 23, 2024

This week Emily and Jordan watched the best kind of movie there is, a TV movie. We watched The Trial Of The Incredible Hulk (1989) which is less of a movie and more of a failed Daredevil pilot. Enjoy!Jordan Morris is doing a book tour for Youth Group! See his panel at SD Comic Con on Friday July 26 from 1pm-2pm called “Graphic Novels and The Real World. He'll also be doing some signings:  Friday July 26th, between 2:30pm - 3:30pm Jordan will be signing books at autograph area AA09 and Saturday July 27th, at 5:30pm Jordan will be signing books at booth 2800.Also, see Jordan live at the following locations: August 2nd at Book Passage in San Francisco at 5:30pm. Or see Jordan in Los Angeles on August 24th at 826LA.Listen to our newest bonus episode of Free With Ads about The Outer Limits pilot! To listen, join Maximum Fun now (if you haven't already!)

🎵 This is Free With Ads, the podcast that asks the question, why pay a movie theater 15 bucks to watch Deadpool and Wolverine make pegging jokes when you can go on YouTube for free and watch the Hulk and Daredevil lovingly cradle each other's faces and talk about how they want to be better men. I'm Jordan Morris. And I'm Emily Fleming. Today's movie is The Trial of the Incredible Hulk, the 1989 TV movie that, despite being called a backdoor pilot, has a shocking lack of anal sex.

Not even a little bit in this. Sometimes I read what you wrote for the first time while saying it out loud, and I think you could tell that time. A little peek behind the curtain. We're not just making up the intro off the dome. And everything we say is scripted. That's true. Before we talk about this movie, which is, as of this recording, streaming free with ads, we're going to talk about something else we saw for free on the internet this week.

Other free stuff. All right. talk about something else we saw for free on the internet this week other free stuff all right um i want to i want to share with y'all a meme that has been in my feed okay i don't think has been in either of yours but let me know if you've seen this okay so there's a video game i love it's called elden ring they have new dlc levels that are out so everybody's playing what is dlc can you explain dlc yes i can you. And ask any questions along the way. I love how you thanked Matt when I asked it first. I was thanking both of you.

You said you, like a generalized you. Yeah, a you, everyone. I think everybody's doing a great job. I did it first. You did do it first. Okay. But we both deserve the credit for asking a good question. Okay, we'll have a slap fight after this. I swear to God. We had one slap fight over Moonstruck fight after this. I swear to God. We had one slap fight

over Moonstruck and I won. I swear to God, if we keep fighting, I'm going to make more stings and they're going to be terrible. They won't scan at all with the music.

DLC, downloadable content. So like you play the game and then a couple months later, DLC comes out and everybody plays the game again because it's new levels. So that's happening with Elden Ring. Everybody's playing the game again. It's like a dark fantasy game. It's really grim. It's really weird. I totally love it.

And there is a voice actor that has become this little micro-celebrity because of an amazing performance in this game. Okay. So the performance in this game okay so the characters in this game are weird they give these very small sad performances all the characters are about to die all the time matt i want to just play what a line from this game usually sounds like this is the first clip here okay I ask you one more time. Please seek not the frenzied flame.

So everyone has the scarlet rot and they're about to die. We're all fishing chips. Okay, I am immediately thinking about the Childlike Empress from Neverending Story.

Yeah. But also in Muppet Christmas Carol, there is the floating baby that is like the Christmas present. This is the same voice. You're absolutely right. This is the vibe. I hate it. Yeah. It's really unnerving it's really

weird so but that's how all the characters talk they're all at that level so there's there's a character in this game you meet called igon he's voiced by a guy named richard lintern cool and he has like seven lines in the game and this is his performance okay and this is his performance. Okay. Bail! Vile bail! Oh, terror incarnate!

There is life in me yet! I will soon feast upon your heart! Mark my words! You too shall know fear so first of all I didn't know people were recording me after I'm at HMS Bounty getting drunk you were cursing bail

I just think that that is a private time when they say last call this is me. Vile Baal, serve me one more drink. Baal has his hand. Baal has his bride. Oh, my Uber's here. Just whenever last call happens, Emily is just like.

I didn't even get my mozzarella sticks! I really get like that if I don't get mozzarella sticks. So anyway, that's Igon. People are doing a lot of fun memes about this guy, and they're really lifting up this guy, Richard Linton, who's this kind of working actor,

that guy from that thing, who really just fucking killed this. So be on the lookout for Elden Ring Igon memes. Also, Richard Linton, want to come on the show? Oh, yeah. Sure. If you're listening, we love you. If you know Richard Linton, holler at him.

Yeah, free with ads. We'll give him mozzarella sticks. We'll bring mozzarella sticks and we will let you yell at us. Yes, yes. Curse your hearts. Making me watch Alien vs. Predator Requiem. And the progressive ads were too loud. They came in at weird times.

Vile podcast. Emily, what do you got Oh fuck I don't know So This is a This is a pretty wholesome Lovely Thing I found

I think that we love Hearing remixes Of new metal Or like early 2000s Absolutely It's a running theme Of the show Like pop metal stuff

And I had to decide Between two different things I'll bring something next time. Well, I have both of them. You have both of them. But I think for today, we need to talk about in mid-June, during a Mets game, there was like a live stream.

So when they cut to commercial, usually you don't see stuff like this. But people were watching the live stream of the Mets game and a mariachi band played Creed's Higher and it fucking rules. Okay. Aww. It's so pretty. Emily, why are you crying? I don't know.

My little girl's turning 15. It's so pretty. It's great. Why the fuck didn't you play the rest of it? All that's left is... I thought that there was a little more harmony but that's okay I love it so hard Go watch it It's on Instagram, Twitter, Reddit

It's fucking great I will say that I think Creed is one of my least favorite bands that I will probably never flip on but the Creed dance remix you brought in a couple weeks ago and this are great well you know i think for me um creeds like melodies and like the way that they like the chords everything

it's very beautiful yeah and i think it moves very easily from genre to genre and i think that speaks to how good the band is i like truly i The Strokes at a music festival not too long ago, and I remember thinking, I want to hear these songs just not played by this band. Can just another band play these exact same songs? So I guess sometimes the presentation and the production kind of takes you out of something, but at the core, these are probably maybe really good songs.

Also, I don't know about baseball very much, but if this is what baseball games are like, I want to go. I hope. Yeah. Are there often bands doing covers of Creed at commercial breaks? I love that this is what sells you on baseball.

All right, now I'll check out baseball. Well, mostly it's beer and food. Sure, sure. But also, like, this is so cool. Now I want to go to specifically a Mets game. But, yeah. So I was in a mariachi band in high school. What?

Matt Lieb. Matt Lieb. In a mariachi band. In a mariachi band. Okay. What'd you play? How does that work? I played the vihuela.

What's that? It's a little guitar. And it was, yeah, in my high school we had like a music program and i couldn't get into jazz band but they said you know what we just started a mariachi band oh my god and you're good enough to be in that uh because i knew basic chords and so i was like yeah sure it was the fucking best experience ever did you do anything like this where you did yes we did uh the man who sold the world i bet that brought down the fucking house dude people love it but actually for the most part just the regular like classic mariachi songs brought down the house because it was like you know the is the la high school so a lot of uh

latinx people went there and so it was like it was culturally eye-opening for me. Because all of these songs I now hear everywhere. Yeah. Everywhere I go, I'm like, oh, I know that song. Yeah, that's Guadalajara, Guadalajara. That's El Rey. Yeah, of course. Yeah, everyone sings.

Right. But did you sing Harmony? No, no, no, no. I was just the person in the background. You know, it's like, it's a lot of call and response. That's usually what Harmony is. No, but it's different when it's like, you know. Not good at it. You know, it's like, it's a lot of close response. That's usually what harmony is. No, but it's different when it's like, you know.

Not good at it. When you're, oh, you know what? We're fighting, dude. I'm sure. I'm making bad stares. If you guys wanna. I'm sure your song was beautiful.

And Emily, you ask the question first. Okay, thank you. Is the fight over? Listen, when we get our social media account up and running, which I am running,

we are going to have live slap fights that you can bet on. Wow, okay. That you can bet on. And there are points for if I slap you on the shoulder or something. Blocking is a big part of this. We'll figure out the rules. You'll be dressed up as moon.

I'll be dressed up as sun. Moon, sun, slap fight. Moon, sun, slap fight. Two celestial bodies enter. One leaves. Coming soon to OnlyF Fight. Two celestial bodies enter. One leaves. Coming soon to OnlyFans. Slash free with ads. All right.

Can I be Milky Fae? Like Milky Way. You can be whatever you want. Okay, thanks. Emily, you can be whatever the fuck you want. Okay, great. As long as I win. Okay.

So let's talk about The Trial of the Incredible Hulk from 1989. Woof. This is a movie. So this was a TV movie specifically. Yeah. Based on the Incredible Hulk TV show that I think ran mostly in the 70s. As we mentioned at the top, intended to be a daredevil pilot. Daredevil, the man without fear.

Oh, God. Really? That's what this was? So they were going to make a daredevil TV show. This was supposed to introduce Daredevil. They never made that show. I am so happy about that because they blew their load on blind puns. Yes, boy, didn't they?

It's horrible. They couldn't have come up with a single one else, I feel like. They did them all. They sure did. So we should say I had never watched this show when it was on. It was always on in reruns. I knew people kind of referenced it.

So the deal here is that the Hulk character Bruce Banner here called David Banner. I think the lore behind that weird name change is that these TV executives said that Bruce was too gay.

What? So they had them change the name. That's why this is David Banner in this and not Bruce Banner. That's ridiculous. Is that the lore? The lore is there were just TV executives who were like, that's too gay? I guess. Bruce.

There's definitely one guy who was working at that TV company named Bruce who was gay. Right. And he was just like, what the fuck, guys? Bruce is a dog name. Well, there we go. Sure. Like,

a straight dog. A straight dog. A straight ass all-American dog. Anyway, so David Banner, Bruce Banner, we can call him

whatever we want to, played by Bill Bixby and then when he would transform into the Hulk, he was played by Lou Ferrigno, a famous giant man in kind of just green paint and ripped shorts. Was he that giant, though? 6'5".

So he was as tall. Matt was looking up Lou Ferrigno stats before you got here. He's not even as tall as our boss, Rhett. Sure, but he is very, very swole. Yeah. I mean, quite swole. Kind of. Kind of?

I wasn't impressed. Well, that's because you're used to CG Hulk played by that one guy. I think I'm used to all the testosterone that every movie star takes now. That's true.

So everybody's huge. That's true. So, yeah. So, yeah. So that's kind of the TV setup. Hulk travels from town to town solving crimes

and I guess the show had been off the air for a while. And this is the return of this beloved guy. Anyway, we see a little intro to the Hulk. He's being bombarded with gamma radiation. We get the little origin. He's out working a job. He's digging irrigation ditches. And this guy's mean to him.

And he resists the urge to fight because he knows. I loved that scene. That is a good scene. Because I liked it because strong, silent type dudes in shows, I thought that was the most realistic altercation between men like this because it's just walking away silently. I know. And then he respects him. Yeah.

Like the guy who was like, let's go. He just like gets up, walks away. And the guy was like, yeah. Yeah. It was kind of wild because he didn't say like, yeah, that's what I thought. Instead, he was just like, oh, man, he must be really going through something. Exactly. It was like these two men respected each other. I respect your boundaries, sir.

This movie has a lot of like sensitive man stuff in it. I did like that. And I don't know if it was like of the time or if it was kind of like on trend, but this has a lot of like men dealing with their feelings. Yeah. In kind of like nice, sweet ways. I liked that about it. So he gets his like daily pay from the like,

his ditch boss or whatever. And he tells her he's going to the city. They never name it. And she's like, oh, I've heard bad going to the city they never name it and she's like oh i've heard bad things about the city wait okay so i'm not i'm a lot more invested in gotham and dc that cares a lot more about the city they care about the city in dc yeah but with like marvel stuff i'm like what the fuck is the city What city do you fuckers live in? It is wild that they don't name it in this. And they name cities, or they name other cities, they're like, this would never happen in Minneapolis or Denver.

So we know it's not Minneapolis or Denver, because they mentioned that. But it is so funny how they just call it the city in this. I don't know why. I don't know why they don't just pick something. Well, it's also just like, what city is this fucking podunk bullshit near? And I guess like, so like canonically Daredevil is from New York. He's from Hell's Kitchen. That's a big thing with Daredevil.

He's the guardian of Hell's Kitchen. So it is weird that they're like, we're doing a Daredevil show, but we're not going to set it in the place where everyone knows that he lives. Maybe it's too much of a pain in the ass to implicate New York City. Yeah. This was shot in Canada, and it does look very Canadian, so who knows? Oh, it sure does. Also, is it

too early for Hunkwatch? You know, I actually didn't have a specific Hunkwatch in this, and I would love to hear from you. Yeah, Matt, hit the stings. Time for Hunkwatch. It's Hunkwatch. What do you think, Emily? Let us know. The lady who pays him at the top of the movie.

She's pretty foxy. I don't know who this lady is, but I want to be her. I love her. You want to pay men to dig. Okay, the ditch boss is a- A boss ditch. A real boss bitch. A real boss ditch.

A boss bitch. There's boss ditch bitch. There's something there, guys. Something there. We haven't figured it out. But we're making shirts. In our last episode, I requested a sting about parts that we go, oh, that's me. So I'm going to ask for the sting.

You got it. I'd play this bitch hardcore. Yeah. I would play this lady who was easily in love with our Bruce. What the fuck is Bruce? We'll call him Bruce Banner. I'm calling him Bruce. I don't care.

Yeah, but I liked her a lot. I thought that it was cool that she wanted him to stay. She was like, oh, you should stay here. Like, she had a crush. I can tame this rambling man. Oh, and I bet she could. She was taller than him. She was.

My favorite thing about the, I did not watch the series either, but my favorite thing about the Bruce character is he is short AF. I know, it is so funny that they picked a tiny little guy Well, it makes sense. Right, to turn into the most giant man. Right, so that the, you know,

the difference is more impressive. Stark. But she was a long, tall Sally. She sure was. And he was a little guy, and I relate to that. And she was a business owner, had a farm that needed irrigation. And a house with a big ol' porch. That's my lady right there. I want to be her.

Alright. And I liked her, I liked the cut of her jib. Well, call Hollywood. Call Emily if you need someone to play. If you need someone to play someone who needs a ditch. If you need someone to play a lady in her 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, like, you know, ambiguous. You've got range. I got range.

I seem old, and I also don't. Ambiguous. You've got range. I got range. I seem old, and I also don't. But a lady who owns a flannel and a porch and maybe a truck, but also could be a floozy who has lipstick smeared on her face and has a drinking problem. Are you willing to ring a triangle when it's time for dinner? Oh, you better believe it.

Okay. I have one. Do you? Do you have a dinner triangle? Of course I have a dinner triangle, Jordan. She's from Tennessee. I don't have it hanging up anywhere, but I have it in case someone needs me to bring it somewhere.

Well, call her. Emily will bring her own dinner triangle to the shoot. So yeah. So then we go to the city and we meet blind lawyer Matt Murdock. As you mentioned, there's so many blind puns in this. If you didn't know he was blind before, boy howdy. They remind you constantly. And just to give an example of how this goes, I clipped one out.

Matt, can you play an example of the joke that happens 45 times in this movie? Oh my god! This time, we finish the job. See what I mean? No. I don't see it all. And like, he's in the daredevil costume

at this point and people don't know he's blind. So why is he telling them he's blind? The other thing is he says he has a secret identity,

but every person he fights in the daredevil costume, he tells them he's blind. Right. Yeah, that's true. So then people can go, hey, it's a blind guy. We can narrow it down. If we're looking for Daredevil, we can narrow it down. No kidding. I know.

So this guy is Rex Smith. He was a, like, pop star. And this is, like, one of his first acting roles. Me and Matt, before you got here, Emily, were listening to some of his music. Matt, can you play Rex Smith's hit? Oh, not only can I play it. I'm so excited.

It would be an honor for me to play it. You, you smile and it's okay You take my breath away. Like water from a stream on a sizzling summer day. Oh, you take my breath away. Yeah, motherfucker. They're away.

Okay, stop. Stop it. Stop. Now imagine a mariachi band. That is written by AI. I don't believe that that is written by a person. This was a hit in the 70s. This guy has feathered hair. His name is Rex. His album was titled Simply Rex. Oh, I thought it would be called like Anal Rex. Do you think this guy was an inspiration for Rex Manning? I don't know. He made his acting debut in the Broadway musical Grease.

Oh, interesting. Which is cool in 1978, which that seems like it was after the movie came out. This is the guy who plays Daredevil in this. Fun fact, Bill Bixby, the guy who plays Bruce Banner, directed this movie. No way. Well, honestly, I don't think the direction was the problem with this movie. It was the writing. Sure.

So, you know, Bixby. Wait, what's his first name? Bill Bixby was the actor's name. Oh, I thought you said Bruce. So I guess I'm calling him Bruce Banner. I know there's a lot of name stuff going on. Yeah, yeah, a lot of Bs. Anyway, so, okay.

So we also have in this world the villain of this, also kind of a cool Marvel thing. It's Wilson Fisk, the Kingpin. We see Fisk Tower. He's a big gangster. He runs the town. This is played by John Rhys-Davies, Sala from Indiana Jones. That's where I know him from. And he is great.

He is great. He's pretty great. So he's, as you mentioned, Emily, some shaky writing in this thing. Yes. But he makes a meal out of this stuff. I want to play a clip here of him talking to his goons, just to give you a sense of how he just fucking nails these bad lines. An octopus cannot be only legs, gentlemen.

It needs a head, an engineer to do it. I humbly submit myself for the post of manager of all our tentacles. Make me manager of your tentacles. Who says an octopus has only legs? No one thinks that. I don't think anyone has ever said that. We never said that. Wait, aren't they arms?

Well, you see, that's a big thing. Because octopus don't walk. But they swim. That's true. But also, as a hentai girly. They're all dicks. I'm horny. Wow.

Okay. Would you like someone to apply for manager of tentacles? All right, we're going to replace manager with daddy, and then, okay. Will you be taking resumes for daddy of tentacles? It's crazy because this is a The Hulk TV movie, and he's playing Kingpin but he's reading this like it's fucking Henry V. I love that. I love that.

I love when people are like, I am an actor. Well, yeah, that's what we love. And a lot of times with, well, I hear the tentacles thing and I immediately think about Dr. Octopus. Dr. Octopus. Yeah, exactly.

And he is played, in the movies, was played by a very classically trained actor whose name is escaping me. Alfred Molina. Thank you. And yeah, that is like one of the great superhero movie performances. Exactly.

So it's like I love over the top, like stuff like that. But once again, never watch the TV show. This performance, this character, his, I guess, tentacles are the fact that he has surveillance cameras everywhere. Like he's obsessed with documenting everything visually. There's tons of like screens and cameras and he has these goggles on where he could see everything. Yeah. What the fuck is with this? His hideout is in an old movie studio.

So wherever. Is that what that is? Yeah, they say it at some point. The web. Wherever the city is, they have a thriving film industry, or have at one point. Okay. So yeah, but maybe the film industry isn't doing well because it's abandoned and criminals can set up their bases in there. So anyway, we go to a jewel heist.

Emily, you had a great observation that you put in our doc. Oh, thank you. These jewel heist guys hang around in had a great observation that you put in our doc. Oh, thank you. These jewel heist guys hang around in the bank before they put on their masks. They do. They're just hanging out, which I guess when you – it had a hell of a big lobby, by the way. Yeah, it's a nice bank. Fabulous bank. But I think these masks that they eventually put on are probably the worst hat.

The worst hat. Hell yeah. They're like ski masks know, ski masks, but they have a little visor on them. I don't know if they want to deal some cards later. Yeah, I don't know. Are we worried about the sparkle of the diamonds? Oh, my eyes have been blinded by the diamonds.

Oh, my eyes. You should have wore my reflective sunglasses. You should have worn the visor mask. No, my eyes. The diamonds. Also, I guess I don't have a safety deposit box or anything at a bank. Do you guys have that? No, uh-uh.

I don't have anything to put in it. Yeah, I know. I don't know what I would put. I feel like I would put a hard drive in there. Nice. Do you know what my Lois Fleming, feel like I would put a hard drive in there. Nice. Do you know what my Lois Fleming, this is a great quote from Lois Fleming. I've thought about my mother. I should call her my mom, but I think Lois sounds like such a cool name.

I like Lois Fleming. And it really envelops who she is. Totally. I like her name. But I've been, because the Will, the Fleming family will has been recently discussed. They're getting older. But then I went, should I get a will? And my mom went, what are you going to do?

Put your $30 from your Bank of America account in there? She's fucking brutal, though. Brutal. Brutal. And then I just kind of went, well, if I had a safety deposit box, what am I going to put in there? My Power Ranger action figures? Like, I don't know. I think those are worth something.

They are. They are appreciating in value as we speak. But it's so funny that the idea that instead of currency, there are drawers full of diamonds in a bank seems odd. I don't know. Is that really how this works? Great question. Because gold is worth more money than diamonds, by the way, for anyone buying an engagement ring. The thing is about

our generation is that because we are worse off than our parents, we look at a safety deposit box and we don't know what it's for. I think I'm doing better emotionally. Emotionally, we're all way better than our parents. Financially, not so. Right, but it's for. I think I'm doing better emotionally. Exactly. Oh, yeah. Emotionally, we're all way better than our parents. Financially, not so. Right, but it's just

interesting to me to think that there are just loose diamonds being held at a bank. Yeah. And as somebody who has worked in jewelry, estate jewelry, and like, I've sold engagement rings, the idea of just keeping diamonds at the bank feels weird. What about a deed?

A deed makes sense. Do you put a may. It feels weird. What about a deed? A deed makes sense. Do you put a deed in there? Sure. What is a deed? I know. I don't know. Will we ever have a deed? One day.

Our parents all have deeds to think. I feel like they have multiple deeds. I do the deed. Sometimes more than once in a day. If I drink enough water. You gotta hydrate. That's so important. Our parents didn't hydrate, you know?

No, they didn't. They made us somehow, though. We're so much better than our parents, except for the money. Don't tell Lois that. She'll kill you. So we see that Kingpin is orchestrating this heist. He's looking at it on one of his many cameras.

So he's like, draw A, draw B, and then he mentions, draw double D. As soon as I heard that, I went to go in the dock to say it, and then he mentions draw double D. As soon as I heard that, I went to go in the doc to say it, and you already did it, Jordan. You know us so well. I'm more of an ass drawer guy. Anyway. Also,

Emily Fleming fact, I'm an H baby. I ain't even a double D, so suck it. I didn't even know that it went to H. It goes to Z, baby. There are Zs? Yes.

Oh, shit. I don't know those people. I got to do some Googling. I'm pretty sure it goes to Z. Matt, Google Zs. I know it goes high, high up in the alphabet. That's all I'm saying. So after this jewel heist, the jewel thieves start hassling this woman on the subway. They are dressed so casually.

They're dressed like they're going to go get prime rib dinner after their son's t-ball game this is 1989 punks exist you can dress these guys like street punks but it's so weird they're just in like overcoats and sweaters yeah i kind of appreciated that for a cool toronto night because i feel like at this time in, you know, media history in this era, all of the bad guys were punk rock kids. No, you're right. So maybe it is like kind of cliche at this point. So maybe them having these two more unexpected villains is interesting and surprising. Okay. I'll give it that.

So this woman kind of becomes the damsel in distress. They, you know, she's not given a ton to do. This woman kind of becomes the damsel in distress. She's not given a ton to do. They start hassling her on the subway, and Bruce Banner, he's on the subway, and that's when we see the Hulk for the first time. Hulk wig also in the running for the worst hat. Oh, give it to it. Ooh, this wig. Yep. Let's do it.

The worst hat. For sure. The worst hat. For sure. The worst hat, too. My favorite thing, though, is the green paint. Okay, the hairline, yes, the wig is horrible, but the green paint, you could tell he's kind of- He looks like a- The wig is like a troll doll-esque. It is, but also the sweat on the hairline of it is not holding together. Nope. So it's like you could see the face paint. It's like

Halloween for a third grader in 1992 and it's just not holding together. Also I'm a little confused about the thing where he has a beard when he's Bruce Banner but then he becomes the Hulk and he has no beard. And then he shaves later but the Hulk still doesn't have a beard. Yeah. None of

the beard mechanics make sense to me. Yeah that's true. That doesn't make sense. Yeah, was Bill Bixby like shooting an episode of Knight Rider across the street and had to shave anyway? The other thing is, and I know this is kind of jumping the gun, but the green paint stuff, I'm friends with so many makeup artists who are amazing, who I will mention a lot more that I would love to have on the show too at some point. The fingers that he has when he's turning into the Hulk

in the courtroom, they couldn't keep the green paint around the fingernails and stuff. Yeah. So it's just like faded paint. And they just went, I guess. And they kept it. Yeah. Who's going to notice? Yeah, the green paint. Who will be watching this in HD in 2024? painted paint and they just went i guess and they kept it like yeah it's like who's gonna notice

yeah the green who will be watching this in hd in 2024 on a giant tv i know this was made to be watched in sd yes on the tiniest tiniest tube television i watched it on my laptop not in full screen like so and i still noticed that it was good Lord, you didn't want to take a bit, just a moment, and like retouch that? They just went, ugh, fuck it. Go, go, go. Judge Wapner needs this courtroom in ten minutes. We have to be out of here. It was wild.

Yeah, so, yeah, I guess we should say, so the Hulk goes to jail. Bruce Banner gets like, he gets accused of attacking this woman. He goes to jail. And so this movie is called The Trial of the Incredible Hulk. There's a promise there, right? Like the idea of putting the Hulk on trial is pretty juicy and fun. There's one dream sequence where he fucks up a court and then it's a daredevil movie. Which I didn't know it was a dream for a very long time.

You thought it was actually happening? Well, I don't know. I thought maybe that he freaked out and choked a bunch of people and they put him back in the jail cell. I don't know. So he's imagining what it would be. I don't know. I couldn't tell. What it would be like to be on trial. And everyone's yelling at him. And so he imagines

himself hulking out at the trial. This scene is a fucking blast. It's so cheap. It's great. It's the best scene in the film. He's throwing like stuntmen around. He's breaking all these fake tables. He's wearing the bad wig. My favorite part is when he's hulking out and people are just like trying to attack him

like the bailiff, at some point one of the jurors just throws a chair at him. Yeah. Somebody's got to do something about this Hulk. We got to get rid of this Hulk. Before we get fully into the dream sequence we gotta like talk about like why he's in jail and how our daredevil guy figures out that maybe he knows about this underground

under what is it called who's the guy that's got all the cameras kingpinpin. Kingpin. Like he's like, okay, so the chick that you protected in the subway who is now saying you were the attacker. Right. That's why you're in prison. So she's like being manipulated by Kingpin we find.

And an evil nurse. And an evil nurse who gets electrocuted. So yeah, so that's what, the Hulk is like being framed for some reason. Yeah.

I don't know that they know he's the Hulk. No, they don't. Who cares? So, yeah. So this courtroom fantasy is why it's called The Trial of the Incredible Hulk. I think you put this in here too. Very fun fact.

This is the first ever on film Stan Lee cameo. Is it him? Stan Lee is one of the jurors. It was him? Yeah. Because I wasn't sure. Like it was, so like the 43 um 41 mark i thought oh he kind of looks like stanley yeah wow that's his first and this is the first time they ever did

this so yeah i mean obviously stanley cameos and all the marvel stuff and this is so you know like obviously this movie is really creaky but it has some cool like marvel junk in it and that's i think really i didn't know that this was the first time. And I also didn't know that it was really him. He looks different when he had collagen in his face. Yes, I know. Stan Lee lived a long time. He sure did.

But yeah, my favorite thing about the courtroom thing is there's a lawyer who's still trying to gather his papers and he's like the last guy in the room and then he's like, he's gathering his papers while looking at Hulk and he's the one that he chokes out to death. And I'm just like. What was in those papers?

Get out of there. Somebody didn't back up his hard drive and he needs to gather the papers. But yeah, that was funny. So yeah, so that's that. So the Hulk decides that it would be a bad idea if he goes on trial. And so he escapes jail. He lives a big Hulk-shaped hole in the wall.

It's pretty funny. Pretty cartoony. Yeah. Yeah. We see Daredevil. We see Daredevil kind of for the first time here. He's not in his comics outfit. Basically nobody is in this.

Right. It's weird. So he's in like a black cowl, which I think we've seen Daredevil wear in the comics. And he's in the Netflix show. He kind of wears that for a little bit. But I'm like, I have the fucking costume. Why don't you have the fucking costume? Yeah.

So he's just in this kind of ninja thing the whole time. Right. He beats up a dude who tells him like that Kingpin is hiding out at one of these studios. Which is Kingpin Fisk? He is, yeah. So Wilson Fisk is the Kingpin. Yeah, that's like his supervillain name versus his real name. Okay, so he's like a bajillionaire who built this huge high-rise that everyone's pissed about.

Uh-huh. Yeah. So they go to confront Wilson Fisk at his movie studio hideout. They have the woman tied up, and they bombard Daredevil with these sound blasts. Yeah, but they're light blasts, too. Yeah, it's really weird. So it's like, oh, this is cool, because Daredevil's hearing is super sensitive because he's blind. But that would lead them to have to know Daredevil is blind.

I guess he says it all the time. So maybe that's how they know. Well, they said that light was another thing too. Yeah. So I think here's what happened. I think they realized they fucked up. They realized that we can't do this sound thing because we want to do it, but it leads them to know that Daredevil is blind.

So we have to have the Hulk say, they had light machines too. Okay, yeah. Okay, I'm glad you said that because I thought that I was the only one who felt that way. I just went, okay, clearly they know that Daredevil's blind. And then I just went, I guess we're all just saying that, I don't know, there's more than one blind rich guy in this town. Yeah, anyway, the whole like who knows what thing doesn't really make sense. It doesn't. I agree.

But Hulk and Daredevil get together and they kind of like learn each other's backstories. Daredevil was blinded by radiation, the same thing that created Hulk, and that's why he has these heightened senses is because he was exposed to radiation. And I think we kind of alluded to this. Their I understand you relationship is fucking beautiful. Yeah. There's a moment where like Daredevil, when Bruce Banner hulks out, where Daredevil like touches his face and he goes back to normal. It's really touching.

Yeah. It does feel like there was maybe this moment of like men should be more sensitive. So we're going to write a movie about sensitive superheroes. Yeah. It's really sweet. I mean, it's corny as fuck. But I do like that. I love anything that focuses

a little more on male friendship. Yeah. I mean, The Princess Bride is my favorite movie. Oh, yeah, sure. Which The Princess Bride has pretty much one female character, and then you got Carole Kane and some bad old age makeup,

which she's fabulous in that. She's amazing about male friendship yeah and i've all i think that's kind of why i love it so much because it's so sweet yeah which so this was very very sweet um i didn't know that daredevil had radioactive powers yeah i'm not really sure what his powers are i thought it was that he had those goggles that could see for one scene and then he kept saying he can't see and I'm like then what the fuck was that so I think we get this daredevil vision and it looks like

do you guys remember those old Star Wars arcade machines that were green and black where you heard a little bit of Obi-Wan going do the force look do the force look that's as good as they could get the audio in 1987 Yes. And where you heard a little bit of Obi-Wan going, Do the Force, Luke! Do the Force, Luke! That's as good as they could get the audio in 1987. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was no Elden Ring. No, it was no Elden Ring. Use the Force! Luke! Do the Force, Luke! That's great. So the Daredevil vision looks like that. And I think what they're trying to get across

is that he can kind of see through sonar. Right. I don't think it's supposed to be goggles, but it is very unclear. Yeah. And he has a weird brim on his hat too. So it's like, is that what's letting him see? It's confusing. But I still don't know what powers he got from the radiation.

Yeah. I think, God, I don't know enough about Daredevil backstory and retcon shit to know if that's always been part of his backstory. But yeah, I think the idea is that he's blind, but all of his other senses work over time. So he's a great fighter. He's a great detective. And I'm fine with that. You know, Batman has no superpowers. Well, yeah, I thought he was just blind Batman because he was talking about how all of his training that he did.

Right, right. Where he like pushed himself. Yeah. Very 80s. Oh, my God. Hang on. Can we talk about the, okay. So there is a zip line scene where he zip lines.

Do you know what I'm talking about? Yes, I do. It is the longest zip line scene of all time. And he's just basically doing some fun little wee with his like he's kicking his little legs up like if I was doing a zip line I'd just be dangling going just you know doing that

but instead he's holding it and then pointing his toes at a 90 degree angle with his body and I'm like does that create more speed I don't know but it is such a long scene and I love every second of it I'm like, does that create more speed? I don't know. But it is such a long scene and I love every second of it. I feel like that was the moment he agreed to do the movie. Yes.

He was just like, do I get to ride the zip line? It's like that I think you should leave sketch. He's only on the reality show so that he can use the zip line in Paradise Island. I feel like you're just here for the zip line. I do like that you can drop into the pool, but I'm just trying to remember. He's too rough on the rope. Shut up, Mike. He pulls on the rope.

It's so good. It was so fun. It's so good. So yeah, we're kind of getting to the final confrontation here. This woman from the subway, she's captured, and they've put her in this pink nightgown and put her in this room with a canopy bed. Emily, what'd you think of the bedroom?

I loved the bed. The bed was great. The bedroom could use a little work, but the bed itself, fabulous. That pink lingerie number. This is like, I really do not think that lingerie and sleepwear today, like i want to wear the shit from the 80s and the 90s sleeves no that wasn't poofy sleeves okay it was like it had a little bit of ruching okay but i wouldn't say poofy but it's like a nightgown mistake like a nice teddy and then like a silky little wrappy robe situation like Like, I want to wear that shit.

And nobody makes stuff like this anymore. Like, it drives me crazy. And certainly not for a woman who's almost six feet tall and almost 200 pounds. They're not doing it for me no more. So let's, somebody out there, create the Hulk collection for her. Big Bitch 90s is what I'm looking for. That's my brand. I'm going to come out with Big Bitch 90s. Oh, I love it. Big Bitch Nighties is what I'm looking for. That's my brand. I'm going to come out with Big Bitch Nighties.

Oh, I love it. Big Bitch Nighties. So we're going to talk about the exciting conclusion of the trial of the Incredible Hulk right after this. We're back. It's Free With Ads. We're talking about the trial of the Incredible Hulk. So Bruce Banner does not Hulk out. He, through Daredevil's soft touch he is able to keep the beast at bay

and he saves the woman while Daredevil kind of goes in there and kicks ass. He like breaks through Kingpin's movie screen which is kind of cool. He fucks up all the guys that Kingpin is meeting with and he chases Kingpin to the roof and Kingpin and I have seen this clip because this movie

I think was all they had on Pluto for a while and it just played constantly and I would stop on it for little 10 minute spurts so I have seen Kingpin hover away in his tiny hover car 30 times

he's how would you describe this thing it's like a little it's like a little little baby helicopter thing it's like a little hell it's like a little little little baby helicopter car yes it's like it's clearly on strings you can see them it's it's uh robotnik's other vehicle yeah that's a good way to kill sonic the hedgehog and and steal the chaos emeralds. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, it's the late 80s, right? And it's a TV movie, so the CG, not great. It's really bad.

But also not bad. I mean, better than I could have done. Sure. Better than some other shit that I think, like, I'm a big fan of Xena, Warrior Princess, and Hercules. And I gotta say, I think this had better effects than any of that shit. It's better than Xena caliber.

A little notch up from Xena. Yeah, so this whole stretch is a real just campy, cheap blast. So that's kind of it. We see Daredevil and his law firm buddies chopping it up. They were clearly

gonna be the like supporting characters in the show right these actors they like we're doing it we're going to be in the Daredevil show

and just doesn't go anywhere yeah and then we see Hulk or Bruce Banner rather hitchhiking out of town while the classic sad Hulk music plays and I have some of that

Hulk music oh yeah this is kind of famous oh my god the saddest you you smile and it's okay have some of that Hulk music. Oh yeah, this is kind of famous. Oh my god, the saddest. You smile and it's okay. As the Hulk hitchhikes to the next town.

Like water from a spring. I mean, that is just, I'm sorry, I had to play it. It's just too good. It's too good. Matt, you take my breath away. Oh, thank you, buddy. You smile and it's okay. Jesus Christ. So, we're going to rank the trial of the Incredible Hulk on a scale of one to ten super loud commercials.

But first, we're going to talk about the best lines in the movie. Yeah! Emily, what do you got? I love knives. We all know that. Yeah, knives are fun. Yeah. And I love when a knife gets a shout out.

Yeah. So, there's a fun moment where Darededevil is gonna fight a guy yeah a guy named turk turk yeah and he like jumps down from a from a ladder and then the guy has a butterfly knife and he whip cracks it around and this is the moment that's a very noisy knife. And scene. That's a very normal thing to say. Honestly, profound. Yeah. It is.

I mean, he's not wrong. I thought it was legitimately funny. I'm just not sure if they did it as a joke. You know? I don't know. It felt like a lot of these things felt like, you know, when you're reading, okay, not a comic book, because comic books are often well-written. Yeah. When you're reading, okay, not a comic book because comic books are often well written. It's reminding me of the Batman series from the 60s where it's like you got the bang, pow, like all that stuff. Holy guacamole, Batman.

It feels like that. And this isn't stupid like that. So why are you trying to write him like this? It does seem like maybe they're at odds of what they want this to be. Do they want this to be gritty and real or do they want it to be Adam West Batman? Because I feel like it's both and it's neither.

But it's like the amount of just awful shit they say to Daredevil. Yeah, the blind jokes, the camp. These people are so uncomfortable with the fact that he's blind. They can't, like... They have to talk about it all the time. All the fucking time.

So I have... My best line of the thing is also from that scene. This is, like, the weirdest attempt at a catchphrase. It's, like, the same setup. He's fighting this guy in the alley. Okay. Can you teach me some of the moves? Don't hurt anybody, Turk.

Be very good. Read a book. Read a book. He has three different lines that they went with when it should have just been one. Yeah. You know what I mean? Maybe these were like alts in the script.

They were all alts. He just didn't read it. Yes. And then he said all of them. They're like, fine, we can't do another take. It's like in Hercules when Kevin Sorbo goes, disappointed! He just read the stage direction and he's like, fine, move on, we got it.

The thing is, when he says read a book, I thought there was going to be another line from that guy because when he's talking to the lady who you know she's our star witness to this whole crime she's in the hospital and he goes and talks to her and she

goes don't talk to me about what happened what movies have you seen lately oh I'm sorry what books have you read lately oh I'm sorry do you listen to them on tape or do you do braille like? Oh, I'm sorry. Do you listen to them on tape? Or do you do Braille? And I'm like, oh my God.

That scene is so weird. It's so weird. And so when he goes, read a book, the guy goes, I will, but you can't. I don't know if he was going to turn around and do it. I'm like, how many more of these are we going to fucking do? How many episodes of this show did you plan on making?

Honestly, nobody is this uncomfortable with the fucking concept of knowing a blind person. Nobody feels this way. All right. Hold on. I have a line. Yeah, please. It's less about the line. It's more about the line read.

The victim of the crime at one point when she is tied up. Which time? The victim of the crime at one point when she is tied up and. Which time? Well, the time where Daredevil is getting his ass kicked and then the Hulk shows up. Right, right. She just screams this and I love it. What is happening? She asks what is happening. Yeah, I remember that.

And I remember going, what do you mean? You're not blind yeah that's exactly what i was thinking i was like he's the one who should be asking like that's me watching an a24 movie what is happening me watching any thai west movie can i can i mention one more funny thing before we give this a rating because like so towards the end where it's like, you know, they're kind of saying their goodbyes, Bruce and Daredevil. He's going to give Daredevil a handshake and sticks his hand out. And then he goes, my hand is out.

And Daredevil goes, I know. Yeah. Just got to constantly do it. Put your fucking hand out. What is this? If you know, why aren't you doing it? And the fact that you were like, oh, there's one more of these that I want to bring up. You didn't even bring up the one I thought you were going to bring up.

What was the other one? Which is where they're looking out a window and they go, hey, look at this. And then they said, oh, I'm sorry. Yes. And he goes, it's okay. And all I could think of, I was like, yeah, you're not actually blind. This is super offensive. I know.

You can't play a guy who says, no, it's okay for you to do this joke. All right. Well, those are our favorite lines in The Trial of the Incredible Hulk. We're going to rate this movie on a scale of one to ten Superlot commercials when we come back. Hey guys, Jordan here with a little bonus plug before the official plug section. If you're in the Bay Area, please come see me at Book Passage in San Francisco on August 2nd at 5.30pm. I'll be there doing a book talk with the great writer Maggie Takuda-Hall. She's got a great new graphic novel called The Worst Ronin, and I will be talking about my new graphic novel, Youth Group. We're going to be interviewing each other, signing

books, and generally having a good time, so please come on out. We'll find a fun spot for drinks afterwards. Matt is going to drop a link to the event in the show notes. This is a free event for everyone, but we hope you'll pick up a book or two while you're there. Again, that's August 2nd at Book Passage in San Francisco, the one in the Ferry Building, 530 Me and Maggie Takuda Hall. I hope I see y'all there. All right, back to the show. show oh we're back it's free with ads we're going to rank the trial of the incredible hulk on a scale of one to ten super loud commercials uh matt do you want to do you have any thoughts on this one yeah yeah i mean honestly i would give it a seven okay and it's high up because this is uh it had its faults as we've mentioned um but i was surprised by how much i was entertained by it and especially with the

practical effect the hulk you know he wasn't a cg hulk he was like a just a green a green strong man lou ferigno was my first time seeing an actual full-length Lou Ferrigno Hulk thing. And I was like, oh, I get why this was a very popular show. He looks great. Very strong man. Very tall man. Love him. So I liked it.

It was fun. Seven points. Man strong. Man strong. I like big strong man. Green man, even better. Green strong, very good. Green strong, great.

Emily, what do you think? I'm going to give it a 6.5. Okay. It's close to a 7. I agree with everything that Matt said. It held my attention because of how ridiculous it was. It's wild. But it had the right level of camp to the point where it's like, who cares?

It's having fun. And it's also something about the year in which it was made that I love that they were really trying something. They were really trying something. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I'll go a little... I'm going to... Okay.

Here's my thinking. I think this movie gets a five for content, but a nine for existing. Let me explain. I like that. It's creaky. It's got stuff. Too many blind jokes. It's, you know, whatever.

But, like, this is what I love about the Free With Ads-averse. Is this thing that never got a DVD release, that has these, like, super popular characters in it, that has the first Stan Lee cameo. That's crazy. People can watch. It's like this is the kind of thing that gets lost when we move to Netflix. This stuff all just gets thrown in the garbage and never seen before. So I like the fact that because the free with ads averse exists stuff like this can get watched and I think if you're like a Marvel freak if you're like a crazy Marvel fan and you want to watch everything I don't think any of us have seen Deadpool yet but I think the idea is they're

going to be bringing in characters from like every Marvel thing so like if you are someone who's like I want to watch every Marvel thing it's good that you can and this one has some cool moments and like is you know you know is historic for a couple of reasons and has a lot of like fun stuff in it so um you know not super fun for me to watch but i'm like i'm so glad this exists yeah so yeah also it was built with ad breaks because it is a tv movie oh that's the fact that there were ads happening not in the ad breaks. Not in the ad breaks. It's so jarring.

Was one of the funniest things about it. They will fade out in your brain. I've watched commercial TV my whole life, right? It's like, well, here comes the commercial. No, it doesn't. Here it comes in the middle of a line. Very weird. It was great.

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your stand-up thing? Yeah. So if you are going to be in Chicago the great city that is not where Daredevil lives though it could have been.

It could be be you don't know with this one uh but if you're gonna be in chicago august uh 19th and 20th i'm gonna be at lincoln lodge um the 19th is gonna be a live podcast that i'm doing with my wife and um the 20th is going to be us doing stand-up with some people in chicago it's gonna be a lot of fun ticket links in the show notes and uh yeah, I will say Youth Group, the graphic novel that I won't shut up about, written by me, art by the great Bowen McGurdy,

is out now. It is in stores. Check out Youth Group. It's a YA horror comedy about teenage exorcists. And very fitting for this episode, I think this is coming out the week of Comic-Con. I will be at Comic-Con this weekend. I got a couple of appearances I want to let you know about if you're down there. Friday the 26th

at 1 p.m. I'm going to be doing a panel called Graphic Novels and the Real World, Room 23 ABC at 2.30 to 3.30. I will be signing books at Autograph Area 8809. And on on Saturday I will be signing books at the first second booth that is booth number 2800 530 so check out the book if you're anywhere and if you're in San Diego

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