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Episode Date: December 31, 2024

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and we are unlocking a very special episode for you. This is us reviewing the pilot of Gotham. Emily, this is like a, this is like one of your all-timer shows, right? Am I characterizing that correctly? In that you, that I actually watched this all theizing that correctly in that you that I actually watched this all the way through. Yes.

Yeah I'd say so. I love the show. People really love to hate this show and I totally understand why in certain instances but I have so much fun watching it so I hope you all will too. I will say that I get the like like, 2B mass emails, like, hey, check out this week on 2B. And they have the top 10 shows. Gotham is always in the top 10.

No shit? So, I don't know. I think maybe you're not alone, Emily. I think there's Gotham freaks out there, and I think they are not paying for their streaming services. Yeah, we hide in the shadows, like... But we are among you. Gotham fans walk among you. They could be your neighbor.

They could be the baker and no one else. So this is Gotham. If you want to hear more like this. Candlestick maker. That's true. Classic guy you see in the neighborhood. The candlestick maker. Sorry, it took me a minute to think of that. No, it's true. Classic guy you'd see in the neighborhood. Sorry, it took me a minute to think of that. No, it's good. So go to maximumfun.org slash join and you can hear all the bonus episodes including a brand new one that just dropped today. And we'll be recording these

all throughout the year. So if you want to hear cool bonus stuff from us, MaximumFun.org slash join. Okay, enjoy Gotham! It's Free With Ads, the podcast that asks the question, why pay max $10 a month for a bunch of Batman movies when you can go on 2B for free and watch a show that doesn't have Batman but does have a little kid who is going to be Batman in like 10 years or something? So here's some mafia stuff. I'm Jordan Morris. And I'm Emily Fleming. Today's pilot is Gotham, the best adaptation of any DC Comics thing ever. Full stop.

I will not be entertaining any arguments, stating the contrary, thank you very much, everyone I've ever talked to. So this is our bonus episode where we talk about TV pilots. Emily, this is Gotham. This is one of your all-time faves, would you say? I love this show.

I had the privilege of auditioning for the show once and bombing really bad, but I loved it so much. It's clear that it didn't have the rights to all of the characters and they couldn't use the Joker. There was a lot about that later in the show. They had to kind of use the people's real names like Selena Kyle and Edward Nigma and stuff like that. Yeah, let's give the set up for this show a little bit. It is a kind of a Batman prequel. It is about the police.

Commissioner Gordon. Yeah, Commissioner Gordon is the main character. Yes, played by our main dude from The O.C. You know, I've never seen an episode of The O.C. I haven't either, but I know him because everybody was hot and bothered by him. But he's a very good actor. But he's like a rookie cop now, a detective in Gotham.

And it's him dealing with the crime, early crime, which is the mafia stuff in Batman, which I didn't know anything about until this. And then The Batman came out, and they're focusing on that as well. Yeah. Fun fact. Yes, Matt.

That actor you're talking about, his name is Ben McKenzie. I have not watched Gotham or The O.C. But he has written a book about how cryptocurrency is a scam. Cool! Okay. It's a fantastic book, and I suggest that everybody read it.

Well, that's rad, because I like him as an actor. I think that this was a great role for him. I think this pilot is killer. I think it's one of the best, like, non-comedy pilots I've ever seen, and people hated this show to death. I just love that he, you know, is a hot guy from TV who was like I'm gonna do a pivot into doing like economy journalism.

And he wrote an amazing book. It's called Easy Money. Cryptocurrency, Casino Capitalism, and the Golden Age of Fraud. It is really fantastic, but also the series is good. When you're hot, the pivots are easy because you have confidence. You know, you're just like, no one's ever told me no. I'm gonna do something else. And then you get those, then you get those pivots. And he wrote it with Jacob Silverman. I just wanna shout that out. No idea who that is.

Jacob Silverman is great. I don't know either. But I also really like, because I'm a big fan of Batman the animated series, Jordan and I, I think we both share a love for that. But in the animated series, I think I remember Harvey Bullock being part of that. Yes, yeah.

So Jim, Jim, a young Jim Gordon has teamed up with Harvey Bullock, who in the Batman cartoon and the comics is always the crooked cop. He's the one who dances with danger. He flirts with the mafia. He's the cranky pragmatic one. But in Batman the animated series,

I just saw him as a grouch. I didn't know he was considered to be crooked, but I love this actor. It's Donald Logue. Yeah, Donald Logue. This is fun casting. This is a really fun casting. I like, he's one of those, that guy from that things

and always does a great job. Oh yeah, grounded for life. He's like, and sons of anarchy. He's very funny. He can also do dramatic acting. I will say something about Gotham, the casting in this show is top fucking notch, even with Jada Pinkett Smith,

which I think a lot of people had controversial opinions about her acting style. I fucking loved it. Yeah, she's doing the right thing. I mean, I think that like... She's having fun is what she's doing. I think the show at this point, and I've only seen the pilot at this point,

and I think the show is figuring out how comic booky to be. And pilots are awkward and they figure out the tone later. And I think that everyone is on a little bit of a different page as to how comic booky this is gonna be and how big it's gonna be. And is this grounded procedural? Is this something a little campier? And I would be fascinated to see where the show goes

and which of those tones it picks, but here it does seem like some people are like, this is law and order, and some people are like, this is something soapier, anyway. Well, it's true, but I think the thing that helps with distinguishing that is the cinematography and the set decoration, the way that the police station looks is so ornate and cool.

The police station is in a very beautiful building. Yeah, it's cool. Let's start talking about it. So we open on a young girl with goggles. I think if you kind of know this stuff, you're like, that's Catwoman. Selena Kyle, yeah. Selena Kyle, she's got the goggles.

She's a kid. And she's stealing, she's doing a pickpocket, but instead of picking a wallet, she's stealing milk. She steals some milk out of a shopping bag and goes and gives it to a cat. So if you were wondering whether or not this was Catwoman, this lets you know that you were probably right. This is probably Catwoman.

But she's a little girl. I think it's important to say that some of the villains or the suggested villains in this show are adults, young adults, and some of them are straight up children around I'd say 12 to 11 years old. So the Selena Kyle character is like a, you know, a little street rat orphan girl who's probably 12. And so is Bruce, so is some of the other people,

but then others are young adults. Yeah, so after this milk heist, she goes into an alley, this is probably good old crime alley, and she sees the murder of Thomas and Martha Wayne at the hands of a guy. If it's the comics, he's Joe Chill. If this show decides it was someone else, it was someone else.

They don't show his face, so they're like, we're gonna leave that open. We're gonna figure that out later. Yeah, yeah. So, and then we see the Pearls, we see young Bruce. Great actor. He doesn't get killed. Great actor, that kid when he screamed

on his knees and everything. Yeah, that's a big scene for a kid. Very good. So this happens, you know, we are now well aware we are in Batman Town. And so we go into the police station, which as you mentioned, is very beautiful. It's a very beautiful old building. I don't know if this is like a practical set

or a, you know, if this is an actual building somewhere, but it's really, really cool looking. And we see rookie Jim Gordon. There's a crazy guy going crazy in the police station and he's like holding the gun on one of the cops and Jim Gordon gets like some aspirin and he's like, I have your pills, the old fake pill trick. And then the crazy guy kind of gives up the gun and then the other cops start

beating this guy up. He tries to kind of step in and say like, hey, maybe don't beat this guy up. So I think we're, you know, they're trying to get around the like a problem here. They're trying to say like, this is a good cop. This is the, you know, guy that finds the nonviolent solution. So yeah, which is, you know, I'm sure a tough thing about doing a cop show these days You have to kind of like get around that and I think this is they're like trying to say that like he's which I think He's a good dude this show

Because it's a fictional city with fictional weird characters and mafias that are they have they get to take liberties with portraying crooked dirty police work versus like being a good cop and they get to take liberties with portraying crooked, dirty police work versus like being a good cop. And I don't know, I think that this first episode did a great job about his like, I think character growth, Commissioner Gordon's character growth. I really like it because it's not the real world,

it's Gotham. But I liked it, I think he's a rookie, he doesn't know anything about Gotham. As we know, Gotham has a prison and they have a mental institution that is almost worse than any other prison. That is, Arkham Asylum is a big part of the Batman lore. Yeah, so it's, as we mentioned, cranky old Harvey Bullock and fresh-faced optimistic Jim Gordon. They get partnered up.

They don't like each other. They're at a diner. Bullock is pouring Metamucil into his coffee, a great Hardin's cop move. Just a, I'm fucking done. I got an ulcer. And so they get confronted by these internal affairs people. One of them is, I recognize from the comics,

is Montoya, who is a big comics character. She is from a series called Gotham PD, which I think this was trying to be a show of. So they take some characters from that series and put them in here. She's fun, she's cool, and so she's like, I'm on to you Bullock. She knows he's like crooked and you know, so the like, the hunt is on for the crooked cop within Gotham.

Now I'm going to look up Gotham PD. Oh, GCPD. Yeah, it's really great. It's a great series by the great Ed Probe. I've never heard of this. Wow, I'm going gonna get into this. Sorry about that, go ahead. Yeah, it's neat.

They were trying to make this, I think this is what, they were trying to make the GCPD show for a long, long time and I think that's what this was. I think that's what it turned into this. So yeah, and it's so funny, he does the thing that people on TV shows and movies do that you never see in real life when you need to introduce someone to the audience,

they go, well, well, well, if it isn't, and then the person's name. What if someone actually did that to you? Think about like if the next time you went into the office and someone's like, well, well, well, if it isn't Emily Fleming, an actor, podcaster. Just to lay out your whole deal.

Well, well, well. That is exactly why people say that. Although there's a wire. It'd be a really funny way of finding out that you have dementia is if you say, well, well, well, if it isn't Jordan Morris, and they're like, it isn't. I'm, is that who I am?

Am I that? Or that too. And it isn't, and then you're just like, oh. Oh, you're not. Honestly though, at the rate my ADHD. You kinda look like him. At the rate my ADHD is deteriorating. Did you guys know that when women go through menopause,

their ADHD gets way worse? Oh, I didn't know that. It's gonna be bad. You're gonna have to talk to me like that. Every time I get on to Zoom, you're gonna go, well, well, well, if it is every Fleming. We're here to record another episode of our movie podcast, free with ads.

I always think that there's another version of that in like screenwriting that I wanna do to my sister the next time I see her. I always wanna go like, hey little sis, what's up? Like people in movies are always doing that. Like hey cousin, do you call your cousin cousin? Hey, ham-fisted exposition, how's it going? Hey person the audience doesn't know, here's who who you are but honestly that is how I would write I think I'm a bad writer

what's like how do you do you know you guys I'm not good throws away a script that's literally titled well well well if it is it you think I've ever written a script? I have about five different scripts that are just the first title page and that's it. I got a script for Adderall, you want it? Mm-hmm. So I think what we're seeing here is like, pilots are so over noted and I think that's one

of the things that like, that's just a dumb fucking note that you would get if you were writing this, is like, the audience doesn't know who they are, and you can't just not know who someone is for two lines. So anyway, I think this is like shit that note givers make writers put into scripts, anyway, they do it. It's fun. So Gordon and Bullock are fighting.

Gordon calls him a slovenly lackadaisical cynic. So crazy. That writer was writing hard that day. Yep, there's some hard writing in this show. And for the most part, I really like it. There's some like awkward stuff and there's stuff that like, yeah, there's some stuff like the well, well, well, that seems like a little bit

exposition-y, but I think the minute to minute dialogue in this show I think is really good. I do too, I do kind of like, did you guys when you were kids, did you watch the Flash live action show that happened in the 90s? Oh, I did a little bit, yeah. I did too, and it scared the shit out of me as a kid and I keep thinking I think I'm scared of everything. I'm scared of fast things.

You don't like anything to be fast. Fast things or a robot that's in water. Yeah, I know. We just talked about, yes, robots in water. Fuck me up. Okay. Anyway, I am but... I don't like cakes outside And I got scary I don't like it when dogs are upstairs The wood stairs they slip and die, you know, you're, you're right. I think everything I think is true and justified. Yes, I think so too. But The Flash had like a 90s show and I remember it being,

his suit is still bright red and stupid, but there was a lot of violence and scary shit. So it's like that juxtaposition of comic book language. Right, and then like actual scary violence. And then crime and violence and stuff next to each other which to me feels like when I would read a comic book because comic books that at least Batman the I remember the illustrations seeming a lot more dark and kind of jagged and rugged and less colorful and bubbly and pretty. Yeah the Batman comics when we were kids and it had already like turned into like,

this is dark brooding guy. Because I was, you know, the only comic books I own are Generation X from the X-Men thing. And Jordan knows this. Yeah. I saw a big stack of them at a thrift store near my house. Jordan! You didn't get me them? I'll grab them the next time I'm there. Please. I'll pay you up to $50. Whoa. Yes.

That's a lot, maybe. I don't know, but I've accepted that Batman is both camp and ridiculous and sexy as well as dark, serious, and fucked up. Yeah. It's just both. I think the show does a great job. There's a great host writer guy, Glenn Weldon, wrote a book about Batman that I love.

Glenn Weldon's book about Batman is called The Caped Crusade and he kind of talks about that thing you're talking about, Emily, is that Batman has been around so long and there are so many different Batmans. There's Adam West, there's Christian Bale, and they're all a little bit different. And I think Batman kind of is an example of nerds who want something to be one thing, and then when it changes, they get mad. So I think that's kind of like what the book is writing about.

It's a really fascinating book. I recommend it to everybody. Out of all of the, at least for me growing up, and of course we're 80s, 90s, 2000s people, so our experience of comic books is vast in a very short amount of time. Like things really went from zero to 100 when it came to movie and television

with comic books in our lifetime. But I always felt that Batman was dark. I always felt like, Batman the animated series as a kid, maybe I have a lot of spiritual stuff related to Batman, I think about like, I don't know, mental health is like a big thing in the Batman saga. Right, yeah, sure. That I think is why I feel more emotionally affected

by anything Batman related than I do anything Marvel related. It just feels a little bit more purposeful in a way. I mean, my Batman growing up was Adam West, so I'm fine if he wants to dance and if he has a spray that solves everything. Oh no, I watched that show like crazy. I loved it, but then when the movies came out,

I had no problem accepting that this was another version of it. Yeah. It's always weird to be when people are like, I do not accept this other version. It's like, cool, don't fucking watch it. There's all kinds of versions for everybody. You don't have to like it.

Yeah, dorks are weird. Anyway. Well, if somebody fucks up, I don't know, I'm trying to think of what somebody could fuck up. The Princess Bride. If somebody remakes the Princess Bride, I won't do anything rash, but I'll be very sad. Right. Listen, do whatever you want to, just don't make it woke. Just don't make the... No. I don't know. I think Princess Bride is pretty woke.

It is pretty woke. I'm being a fake conservative asshole. He's playing a character. Much like Batman when he puts on the cowl to strike fear in the hearts of criminals. I would love it if Batman put on his mask and then was just like, I'm gonna be one of those I hate cancel culture guys.

I'm, you can't say anything on college campuses. You can't talk to women anymore. You can't just show up and disappear. You can't hug your coworkers. Jordan, you just sound like Scruff McGruff. You don't even sound like Cabin. Take a bite out of cancel culture. And pack your.

You can't take a bite out of crime anymore without the people saying AAB to me, right? All McGruffs are bastards. Okay. Hey, Mab. Amazing. So I can't shoot my gun at someone having a mental episode anymore, apparently. All right, so.

That's the big deal? That's why I got into this business to shoot whoever I want to. Anyway, so we kind of meet the other Batman characters that they're gonna play with in the show. The Riddler is like their ballistics guy, that's fun. That's really fun. Edward Nigma. And he like gives them little riddles

and they're annoyed with him, that's good. He's also cute, so cute. Yeah, I like the casting of all the villains, it's a lot of fun. So good. Gordon Bullock, they're looking for the guy who killed the Waynes, they go to. Fish Mooney.

Yeah, so Jada Pickett Smith plays Fish Mooney. I don't know if she has precedent in the comics or if she's for this show, but... I don't know either, but I remember going, oh, penguins eat fish. There's the metaphor. Yeah, so the penguin is like her lackey in this. Like the one, and he's like scheming to take over her criminal empire, and she is scheming to take over the criminal empire of Carmine Falcone, who is like a long time Batman, just kind of a generic gangster villain

that pops up in a lot of Batman stuff. And the actor who plays him is fantastic. Yeah, he's great. You see the end of this episode. He's so good. So there's this kind of like mafia struggle going on. Fish Mooney, beautiful bar. Another, just a great like bar you would want to hang out in.

Totally. There's some burlesque dancers on the stage Fish Mooney, beautiful bar. Another just a great like bar you would wanna hang out in. There's some burlesque dancers on the stage while they're doing the like shakedown in the bar and they're just warming up. They're just stretching. They never dance. I love it, I love it. They're just on stage limbering up.

So they get a lead on who killed the Waynes. They're looking for the necklace. They're looking for mom's pearl necklace. They go to the house of this kind of random deadbeat. His kid is poison ivy. She's like, oh, you're ivy. And she has like green on and they've got a bunch of plants in the house.

But I think it's important to say that like she's in a family environment where she tells the detectives, you don't wanna talk to my dad, he's a bad man. And she's clearly like kind of poor her clothes Are dirty she doesn't look like she's eaten. She's just a little redheaded girl. You don't know what her deal is yet yeah, so she so they this guy like runs for it and Bullock and Gordon chase him down bullet kills him and so the idea is like oh we got him

We got the guy who killed the Waynes. No, they didn't. Montoya's onto him. She knows that they, she thinks that somebody like framed this random dude and like planted the necklace. So she's out there looking for the like, right, Waynes real killers. We go back to the, to Fish Mooney's very, very cool bar where the limbering up burlesque dancers have been replaced by a comedian.

This is our first kind of like, this might be the Joker. They picked the most normal looking guy to be this guy. This is the most normal man I've ever seen in my life. Okay, so Jordan, can I, I know this is just the pilot, but I would love to talk on that for just a second. So, Gotham, yeah. Yeah, so you were telling me that they tease various jokers that never actually materialize, right?

Yes, because they did not really have the... I don't know everything about how this works with ownership over characters and what can be done or whatever especially this at the time of this show coming out I believe it was 2013 or 14 is when it came out they could not say Joker they could not have that character but what they did was tease multiple like maybe this is him maybe this is it maybe this is it, maybe this is it, throughout the entire series,

even to the point where it seemed like it was this guy, and then this guy has a twin. Like, it gets wild. Is it this actor that is on stage doing this comedy routine in the pilot? Absolutely not, no way and fuck. It takes a couple seasons for, I think it's season two that there's somebody

that you're like, oh, this has gotta be it. This is gonna be the Joker. But I think the message of this show, which I did like, is that there is no such thing as one Joker, Joker is a movement. Right. So instead of it. I think that's like in the history of the character.

Yes. I think they've tried to explain his backstory a couple times in the comics, but it's never good. Just like, keep the fucking Joker a mystery. I love that. Exactly, and I think what's a better mystery than who is the original Joker? So if you have someone who has the scars and they go,

let me tell you where I got these scars and they can never give you that message, then does it mean that anyone really is the Joker? Why does it have to be one guy? So they use this as a device to kind of deal with kind of not having the rights to the Joker, but I found that to be so fun throughout this whole show. Towards the end it gets a little like loopy, a little kooky, but no this guy is not at all, but he's trying they're trying to wet your whistle with it. Sure.

For sure. It's fun. It's a really fun aspect of this show is the kind of like teases and the characters who you know are going to become other characters. It's a ton of fun. Oh, wait. I have a thing to tell you though. Sure.

So I was talking earlier about how some of these characters exist as children and some are young adults. I just wanted to you do meet these characters throughout this episode. So Penguin and Edward Nigma young adults. They look like they're maybe 30 years old. And then you have Ivy, Selena Kyle and Bruce Wayne and their kids. They're probably anywhere from 11 to 13. Paul Rubin played the Penguin's father in Batman Returns. He plays Penguin's father in Batman Returns. He plays Penguin's father in this fucking show.

Does he? That's great. He plays the same character with like a lot of, I think that the mom is the same too. I think they brought back the actress and the house looks very similar so there had to have been some conversation with the Tim know of Tim

Burton crew or something but it was so cool to see Paul Rubin come back as that character so that's cool on this show I'm just telling you love it love that so yeah we kind of like get the penguins betrayal he's he's rubbing fish Mooney's feet and then she reveals that she knew that he he ratted ratted her out and and then they fight she says you broke my heart a little reference to the Godfather 2 a little little mafia betrayal so Bullock and Gordon they get captured and thrown into like a meat locker then the Carmine Falcone comes in just randomly kind of kills everybody,

talks to Gordon, said, I knew your dad, his dad was a DA and they like had a mutual respect. So that kind of like sets up their relationship that's gonna go forward in the pilot. But it also suggests that maybe the people who you think were honorable before you got there, including the Waynes that you get in a lot about. So it feels like Gordon and Bruce Wayne's stories throughout is them realizing that

people aren't as good as they thought they were that came before them. Yeah, so Bullock tries to get Gordon to kill the penguin. He does a little trick where he walks him to the edge of the pier, shoots the gun near him and pushes him in the water before whispering, never come back to Gotham. And so we see that he doesn't wanna kill, he's a decent man. Let's the penguin go.

He's gonna regret that though. And then he goes, yeah, I'm sure, right? Yeah, that's just like the big bad of the show. I wish I killed him in the pilot. Anyway, it's just a good one. No, he's just really annoying. Oh, right. It's penguins annoying as fuck.

So he goes back to like young Bruce Wayne's house. Alfred is there. We should say Alfred is here. That's a, it's fun to see Alfred in this. I forgot he's fucking hot. Hunk Watch. We don't have Hunk Watch for these, but that actor who plays Alfred, Jesus Christ.

It's Hunk Watch. There you go. They even did a spinoff in 2019 about Alfred. who plays Alfred, Jesus Christ. It's Hunkwatch. Hell yes. There you go. They even did a spinoff in 2019 about Alfred. It's called Pennyworth. Right, Pennyworth, the story of Batman's butler. But it's about him being younger and it's not the actor who played Alfred in Gotham.

That's what mama wants. That's what mama needs. Like, I just want to see him going to bars and hitting on people that's like that's all anybody wants that's all anybody wants that's the show we want never get to Batman just make it Alfred hanging out in bars yeah yeah so he goes back to goes back to Wayne Manor he tells young Bruce that like we we don't think we actually found your parents killer the killer still out there and

then we get a little tease. The penguin comes up from the river. He takes a knife and kills a random fisherman and eats his sandwich. And that's the final shot of the pilot. And that's Gotham. Yeah, let's do it. Let's rank the show on a scale

of one to 10 super loud commercials. Emily, you've watched this show in its entirety, but do you think this is gonna start a re-watch for you? Give us your ranking and then speak on that. It's a 10 for me, and yes, it is. I've already watched the second episode. I love it so much. I know it gets a little weird, you know.

The first season to me is a blast. It feels like watching the animated series again, but as an adult, there's a lot of sexy stuff going on, a lot of representation with sexuality in this show too. And you find out that, you know, Barbara Keane is bisexual like in this episode. And-

So yeah, that's kind of a fun thing that I noticed from reading the comics. You know that Montoya likes the ladies and they have just this weird little moment where it's clear they have a history and I'm like, ah, I bet that happened. Her character, I keep watching just to watch the lupity-loo crazy shit that happens with Barbara.

Yeah. It is a little wild, but I still like it. I like that actress. I like every actor in this, and that includes the, I think Jada Pinkett. Smith is kind of going for this more 1960s Batman over the top character. She is, yeah, she's going big and it's a lot of fun.

But I like it. I think that she's having a blast. You could tell she's having a blast. I enjoy her, the aesthetic of the character. I like the way the show looks. I think, I just love the show and people hate it. And I, it's okay. It got, there's five seasons of it,

so somebody likes it. I know. Yeah, exactly. But nobody would speak up when I was at a party. So, shame on you. Yeah, I'll go. I like this. I thought this was a lot of fun. I'm gonna give it a seven, and I'm kind of curious to like,

I'm curious to go down the hole a little bit more. Really? I think DC does a fucking great job with its TV. Now, am I on the payroll? Yes, consider the source. But I think that DC TV is awesome. And it's that thing we're talking about. It's just that you can do so much shit with these characters.

Why relegate it to one hyper-specific tone? I know it's like, you know, kind of futile to compare DC and Marvel, but we've been doing it since the dawn of time. It's kind of hard not to. You know, I think the Marvel TV stuff just doesn't work as well because like, it's just this little not as good version of the movies. And it's like, and they do try and add a little horror sometimes and they do try and add some other little spices, but it all feels like the same gumbo. I agree.

You're just kind of ladling out. The tone is the same across the board. And I think the fact that they, you know, the DC is like, great, we're gonna have Gotham, it's a procedural, great, we're gonna have Harley Quinn, it's an adult animated show with a lot of cursing great we're gonna have Doom Patrol it's kind of weird great we're gonna have Teen Titans Go which is a crazy cartoon so I think that like I I do like that they take all

these swings and they don't like give a shit about the characters popping up to tease movies you know it's it this is way more fun and yeah I'm curious to see how they rope in the other Batman characters. I can't wait to hear what you think because it gets a little weird, but I'm here for it. Sure. Listen, I love how weird Riverdale gets. Oh, well, if you love Riverdale, you're gonna fucking love Gotham. Let me tell you. That's the greatest endorsement anyone can give a product. Totally. So yeah, that's Gotham, let me tell ya. That's the greatest endorsement anyone can give a product.

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