Freeway Phantom - A New Profile

Episode Date: July 5, 2023

We recruit a former FBI profiler to create a new profile of the Freeway Phantom. And we look at the systemic issues that led to the Phantom's success.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listener discretion is advised. He wanted to show off. And this is something that he will do in his real life all the time. Because of his poor self-image, he feels the need to prove his greatness. And whether that's in his vocabulary that he uses or in the quote, conquest that he makes, he wants to prove how much of a man he is. And this letter, especially when he has used these multi-slavic words to show off and he gets one of them wrong. So I think I should just launch into the profile. Yeah, let's do it.

The homicide detectives termed the cases the little girl cases. This child was laying on the side of the road. I wouldn't go, no way. I wouldn't come out of house. Those first five murders should have been a huge warning bell of the road. Ah, but you go, no way. I will come, I'll help you. Those first five murders should have been a huge warning bell for the police. We just want to know what happened. This person must have saw that they were thinking that maybe it's just one person.

And he says, uh, they need to know. This is me. I thought they'd take with Ketchum. I thought it was just a matter of time. I'm Celeste Headley. and this is Freeway Phantom. On the last episode, we talked about the original outdated psychological profile for the Freeway Phantom. And we revealed that we commissioned a new profile

from the former FBI special agent Jim Clemente. So now we'll jump right into Jim Clemente a new profile from the former FBI Special Agent Jim Clemente. So now we'll jump right into Jim Clemente's new profile of the Freeway Phantom, and that starts with a little bit of scene setting. So the first thing that we have to understand is the victim availability factor was higher back then in the 70s. You didn't have the internet which gave people access immediately to everything that happens around the country every day 24, 7, 365. So generally,

smaller communities were, they felt insulated, if nothing happened in your community then you weren't really concerned about certain things like child abductions. The fact is that in the United States of America, approximately 160 to 200 times a year, a child is abducted Nick Mix reports of missing kids over 800,000 a year, but only 160 to 200 of them are actually non-familiar long-term abductions. So what does that tell you? It's a very rare event. But with the internet, you now know about every single one of them. Well, at least every one of them that is a blonde-haired blue-eyed white girl.

But you hear about many of them that occur much more than you would have before. So people started locking their doors more often, restricting the freedoms of their kids, not letting them just ride their bikes down the street alone or walk to the store alone. And so, that is a very important thing. This guy, although he was able to abduct six, seven girls,

they were much more available to him. So this is not a criminal sophistication level that is extremely high. It is more a product of the times. So that's the first part of the profile. He chooses victims of opportunity, but they must meet his physical and gender requirements. And so I think that they're all black, they're all female, they're all petite, they're all alone, and they're all on foot. So there are certainly offenders who will follow a woman in a car down a secluded route and and bump into the car, pull them over as a fake cop. There are people who are sophisticated enough to do that. He is not. He's looking for children. He's not looking to go into their home and

risk their family members. He's very cautious. All these things are going to be evinced in his actual life. When you say sophisticated, is that the same as intelligence? Are we talking about someone who's of lower intelligence? Are we talking about someone who's of lower intelligence? No, criminal sophistication is based on experience, committing these kinds of crimes. Generally in these offenses, we see precursor crimes that lead up to the abduction, like peeping or breaking into a house, stealing somebody's underwear, you know, doing things like that. But in this case, I do not believe he broke into anybody's house.

I believe he doesn't have the guts to do it or the physical skills to do it. And that could be because he's overly heavy or it could be because he's just not confident. I believe that he's likely short himself, although he has very powerful hands, probably due to the kind of work he does. But I believe he's not scary. He's able to get close enough to these victims to not scare them away before he can control them. So I believe he controls them with a knife or a gun

and he very quickly binds them and or throws them in a trunk of a car. Speaking of that, I think he either has a van, a panel van, which is much more common in the 70s, or a station wagon, like one of those green metallic woody station wagons, where he can open the back, toss them in and close it, and they're not going to be seen by anybody. So he fits into the community. He's a black male or mixed race, and everyone sees right through him. He's invisible to the neighborhood because he is just one of the guys. He probably doesn't come off as being gruff or an asshole. He probably comes off as being meek, but he does try to show off any opportunity he gets. Next, Clemente talked about the kind of work the killer likely did, which would also

explain how he got around the neighborhood. He either trolls via his work, for example, he could be a tow truck driver or a traveling repair person, someone who picks up junk or calls away trash for people. Something that gives him the opportunity to drive any place at any hour of the day or night, or he has just has the freedom to do that. He works for himself and he doesn't have to clock in anywhere in particular. Also if he's in a living relationship it could be with a parent or it could be with a power more. However, he definitely does not have to answer to another person in terms

of where he is at what hour, because he's been able to do this at any hour at any time. He grew up in a very religious family, one that that would have condemned the thoughts and desires that he knew. By the time he hit puberty, he knew that he was sexually attracted to children. He knew that this was wrong. He may have acted on it and been scolded and punished extremely by his mother, this would have gone on throughout his entire childhood, that he would have been very severely physically punished and also demeaned.

And the demeaning part was probably even more damaging than the physical punishment. He has a foot or shoe fetish, and that's why he keeps the shoes as souvenirs. And there's a difference between souvenirs and trophies. Souvenirs is something that he keeps privately to himself, to remind himself and encourage the fantasies that he will have as he's reliving these experiences, these offenses. Trophies are something that you show off. For example, trophy might be a necklace that you take from a victim and give to somebody in your life so you can see it

every day. It's much more insidious. So as I said before, I believe that most likely through his work, he's developed very strong hands, powerful hands and arms, and this is something that he probably deliberately did as a line of work because he's small and he feels powerless and he wants to feel more powerful. He feels like he doesn't measure up. And that, again, was something that was drilled into him as a kid, and especially if they found out about his deviant sexual behavior and desires. So he feels very diminished,

because he's got an extremely poor sense of self. He knew since he was a child that these dirty evil thoughts were wrong and that he was not normal. And he's fixated on petite, probably just pubescent children. This may have been the first sexual experience that he had was with a girl of that age, whether he was that age or older, I don't know, but probably either a younger relative or somebody that he had access to through the family was the first person that he molested. it and he may have gotten caught and that's why when he started this particular killing series, he actually killed his victims because he didn't want to ever get caught again.

Would he have been able to stop for any reason other than being caught or something else happening? Would he have had the command of control he would have needed to stop? Absolutely because every single one of them can stop and the proof of control he would have needed to stop? Absolutely, because every single one of them can stop. And the proof of that is that they don't do it in front of everybody else. They hide it. They do it only when they can get away with it.

And that is the ultimate control. They know that it's wrong. They know that it's illegal. They know they will get arrested and maybe spend the rest of their life in jail or get the death penalty and they avoid it by operating only when they can get away with it. That's all the proof I need that they're in control. The people who are criminally insane don't realize that what they're doing is wrong so they don't make any attempt to hide it and so this guy is not like that, not at all.

So one particular victim really stands out to me and that's Brenda Woodard and she was 18 years old so she was the oldest victim that we know of and yet she was very petite as well and fit all the other ziability factors. He probably didn't know that she was 18. She probably looked younger to him. That may mean that he had to follow her at a great distance or that he didn't have much time to make a decision with respect to her, but this offense really affected him, as I said earlier. She was stabbed repeatedly, but when her body was placed, a coat was placed over a chest where she was stabbed, and that's an aspect of undoing. So he lost his cool. He was enraged by her behavior. She didn't follow the script he had in his mind and therefore he punished her for

that, but he felt bad about it. And that's the reason why I believe he was brought up in a very religious family, a very strict religious family that basically chastised him and said he was going to be punished for his sins. And so that was an outward manifestation of this enforced remorse basically for what he did. The extent to which Brenda fought back really bothered him and it undermined his confidence for quite a while. And that's why he didn't operate for so long. He may have also been walking around with physical manifestations of that. Scratches on his face, bruised eyes, whatever it is. Something that made him feel like he was ultimately vulnerable because of what she did.

So post-defense behavior, I would say, after each of the murders, he hunkered down and sort of repented outwardly, but inwardly what he was doing was he was reliving the fantasy of what he had done over and over again, probably trying to correct the things that went wrong. And this is one of the things that drives them to do it over and over again because it never goes exactly as they fantasize and they want to do it right and they want it to be right so they can have this amazing fulfilled fantasy. This guy has a rich inner fantasy life and I think that led him to read a lot and engage in fantasy type behavior. Today's version of that would be playing certain fantasy games, but back in the 70s, that wasn't really there, but he may have engaged in that kind of behavior on the side for his hobby. He likes to show off how smart he is, is probably a noise to hell out

of anybody that he knows or people that he comes to contact with. His fantasies are all about young girls, and he may have from time to time, slipped up and let somebody know, like, oh, isn't she hot? Or something like that, making comments. He wants to feel powerful, and having this power over these girls makes him feel powerful. When I heard this, it reminded me of Brenda Crockett,

the 10-year-old who the freeway phantom allowed to call home a few times. I asked Clemente if he thought that was one of the killer's displays of power. Yeah, well, this is one of the things the mother was out looking for. I think that he saw the mother and he wanted to make sure that she didn't see him. That's why he had her tell her mother, I'm in a house with a white man in Virginia. That tells me they were not in Virginia

and he was not a white man. And so he expected that if the mother had seen him with her, she would have said, but who was that black man I saw you with? But she didn't say that, right? So I think that was a test to see, and that's why he had her call back twice. Next, Jim Clemente talked about the killers' likely living situation. He has a private house or garage or shed where he keeps these girls where he has total privacy and control. It's in the beltway area, but it's not in Virginia.

He excluded that by using Virginia in that call. So somewhere in Maryland or D.C. He grew up there or works in that area. And I believe that in 1971, he was probably mid-20s to mid-30s. I believe this was the beginning of his offending career and I think something significant happened right after this. That could have been he moved, went into the military, was arrested, but some significant event happened,

which changed his offending behavior, stopped it at this point, at least in this area. And that could also have been that he got married. He got into a relationship that he found someone who empowered him and that he was not afraid to be with, but it could also have been somebody who completely dominates and controls him like his mother did. But that's the only two types of relationships that I believe he would have been in. What about the washing? He seems to have washed at least some of them, if not all of them?

Yeah, well part of that could be he washed the feed because he has a foot fetish. So for him, interacting with their feet is a sexual behavior. It's also possible that that's a level of forensic sophistication. So yes, there were green fibers found on several of the bodies. That shows a lack of forensics sophistication in that area, but he may have washed off any evidence of sexual contact with these girls. Clearly, they were able to determine that they were raped in most of the cases. So, he wasn't able to undo that, but he did at least make an effort.

And I think that it's either part of his ritual. So there's M.O. aspects to every crime. Those are modesty operandi, the actions necessary to commit the crime and escape undetected. But there's also ritual aspects. And although M.O. is learned, and that's you get better and better over time, that's where you develop criminal sophistication.

I'm not saying that he isn't criminally sophisticated. I'm saying that his criminal sophistication level does not rise to the level that will give him the ability to break into somebody's protected home and take them from their own environment. That is a criminal sophistication level that is much higher than someone who takes someone who's on foot on the street. So he has a car, they don't have a car.

The problem with taking somebody who has a car on foot, you know, when they get out of their car, is that you leave the car there. So everybody knows where they were taken from. And the window of opportunity can be seriously limited by that. So he's taking people who are on foot, who, you know, won't be expected back home immediately, right? So there's more of a time delay. The alarm doesn't go off right away, gives him a chance to get away to his secure location. That's what I meant by saying he wasn't as criminally sophisticated as somebody who would

do in-home abductions. So he could have a history, and his history would have been sexually victimizing children. It won in his family or somehow that he got access to in his teens or early 20s because that is what was available to him. But eventually he figured out a way to get out and hunt and he probably hunted a little bit away from where he lived, and then took them to this place that is secure, then dumped them a little ways away from where he lived or where he did this because he didn't want to point people

in the direction of where he lived. But I know in one case, the victim was left right by where her mother takes the bus every day. Their shoes were placed very neatly by the side of her body. That's a ritualistic kind of behavior. And so that could mean that there's some kind of connection between them, I don't know. But it's a very risky thing to do, too.

You said that his behavior would have always been towards young girls. And you said pretty clearly that that's what motivates him. So this is probably not someone who would have changed the opposite. This is not somebody who raped 25-year-olds at one point, and then for this period of time prayed on young girls. Absolutely not. No, that's not who it is.

Yeah. If he can successfully break into homes and rape 25 year olds or get them weather on the street, no, he's not doing that. No. His sexual fantasies are about children. That concludes Jim Clemente's profile of the Freway Phantom. And there's a lot to break down here. So we asked someone else to sit down with us and provide their thoughts on this new profile. The World The World The World

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They want to know that they will kill you. Listen to all episodes now on the I Heart Radioard Radio app, Apple podcasts, or whatever you get your podcasts. 911, what's your emergency? You shot her! Oh my God! It's a nightmare we could never have imagined. And a killer who is still on the loose.

My small town rocked by murder. There are certain murders I'm scared to discuss. In the 1980s we're in high school losing friends, teachers, and community members. One after another, after another, for a decade. We weren't safe anywhere. We're teenagers terrified to leave our own homes. Would we be next? Who is killing all the kids? And why? In that moment, I saw rage. And why do you some want the town secrets to stay dead and buried forever?

I'm not sure why you're digging up all this old stuff again, but I'd be careful. Don't say I didn't warn you, Nancy. Listen to the murder years on the iHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Jim Clemente's profile is striking for a number of reasons. It suggests the killer was a local person, someone with limited resources and a lower level of sophistication than previously believed. It also suggests they were primarily motivated by fetishes, in turn, demonstrating a level

of psychopathy before unconsidered. We wanted to analyze Clemente's profile with a professional investigator, so we decided to run all of this by Detective Jim Trainham. We showed him Clemente's new profile and here were his thoughts. One of the things that he said that really made sense to me is the fact that he believes that this person fantasized about this, especially with the first victim and planned it.

And that's why he was able to keep her as long as he did because he had everything set up and ready to go. What I'm wondering is, is how many false starts he may have had before that with other children. And one thing that I did want to bring, if he considered this, is that he was talking about the time between the abduction and the body was found. But we know that with the first victim, she was abducted, kept somewhere because when she was found, the medical examiner was able to say she had been there only like two or three days. And so she was alive for several days before that. But with the other victims, we

don't really know exactly when they were killed. So it may have been a much shorter time period. He may have abducted them, killed them, and then dumped them. They were found sometime later. But what's interesting is, is that does that mean that he singled out this first victim? And did he know her? And with the other victims, like the second victim, we always kind of theorized that since they were from the same neighborhood Disappeared the same way that he may have known her too, but the other ones Were they actually ones that he he identified beforehand because I got the impression that that's what Jim was saying I may be wrong that he identified his victims beforehand and then you know planned it and then abducted them and

beforehand and then planned it and then abducted them. And is it that or were they just, was he driving around and having victims of opportunity that kind of fit the type of person that he was looking for? Somebody who was small, somebody who was vulnerable, somebody who was isolated for a short period of time so that he could go up and make his play? That would be one question. I don't remember seeing anything in any of the investigative reports about them trying to find out, especially

at first, how many other times had girls been approached by strangers or someone they knew. So that was my first observation. Were each of these victims identified beforehand, or was it just the first one, and the rest were part of this hunting pattern, and you just happened to cross them at the right date and right time? Trainham also says he found Clemente's analysis of the time period to be very interesting as well.

You know, this was a time period where people did hitchhike. I mean, back in 1971, I was a child, you know, this was a time period where people did hitchhike. I mean, back in 1971, I was hitchhiking, you know, I was in high school, and that's how we got around. And children were, you know, out on the street, and they were much more freer, I think. And less fearful than we are these days. And I think that a lot of child sex abusers, like he was talking about, very easily could, in some cases, have lured them into the car without any kind of threat of violence,

and then used a knife to keep them under control, that sort of thing. We asked Traynham what he thought about some of the geographical analysis. If you go and look at all the other reduction sites, I mean all of them are pretty much on the side of an open road and traffic wasn't as heavy then as it is now. And you can drive up and stop your car there and you really wouldn't look suspicious and it doesn't take that long just to haul something out. If you have a clear area, but let's say that you haul the body out, lay it down, and suddenly a police car comes up behind you. What is your story?

I was driving down the road, and I saw something over here, so I pulled over to check on it. But when he dropped off, Brenda would've. He had to get off the interstate, go around this, you know, much narrower exit. Stop where there was no place to stop. There was no place to pull off. He had to be out in the road in order to put her

body where he put it. So I think he had a much higher chance of being spotted as being seen as somebody doing something suspicious. And so, you know, why he chose that spot always puzzled me. I've heard this. I've never been able to really find any documentation in my memory about how her mother actually worked at the hospital right next to where the body was found and all of that.

Could it be because he had some kind of exchange with her or knew that her mother worked at the hospital there? Trainham says he's also curious about the type of sexual assaults that the killer committed. There was evidence that they were strangled, not only manually, but with a ligature as well,

but with Brenda, she was strangled with a ligature, it's stabbed. Like Jim said, she'd written the letter, and she knew that the ship was up, and she'd been trying to protect herself, because she'd written the letter and she knew that the ship was up and she'd been trying to protect herself because she'd already been sexually assaulted, her clothes have been put back on and when she was stabbed her clothes were inside out, her shirt was inside out and the knife holes in the shirt matched up to the knife entries there.

I was wondering if he was possibly as part of his control in sexual fantasy, strangling them during sex and letting them pass out and come to. I mean because he was probably not killed by strangulation, she was killed by knife entries, so I'm thinking that the strangulation came first. I think that the most logical or the theory that fits those facts is that the clothes were removed, she was sexually assaulted, she was redressed, like the other victims, and then maybe during the writing out the notes, something happened, and that's when she was stabbed. I thought the point about the first one having the most planning is really the most interesting thing

myself because even with the third victim, Crockett, I mean he had to have had a place to take her to make that phone call. I really wonder, you know, if he knew the mother or if the mother actually saw him at some point, that that's always been a question in my mind. Would he have a board? Would he have tried to you know cover up what he was doing? Maybe by bringing her back and saying that he found her? I don't know. Honestly I think that if she had said Yamamaka saw you or in some way provided that information that you know she might be alive because he would have felt that he could not carry through without further risk to himself. And lastly, train him had a lot to say about the new profiles take on the handwritten note, which included the moniker, Freway Phantom.

Yeah, the name was coined by I believe a reporter for WTOP at the time, Pat Collins. by I believe every porter for WTOP at the time, Pat Collins. But one thing that was proposed at one point was that he was pissed off because the police were at that point were still saying, oh no, there's no serial killer, no comment, they were really downplaying it. And so we had always kind of thought that he's now proud of himself. He wants to show the world that, you know, this is my handy work, and I'm smarter than the cops are. And so he's actually bragging about that. But the fact that bringing it to his health on him,

we always felt that that was the reason for that 10-month delay between victims right there. My take on all of this is that the profile suggests the killer could have stopped killing, but his tendencies to wanna show off his skill or ability would have remained the same. He would have followed the freeway phantom cases and basked in that moniker,

enjoying that he outsmarted law enforcement. But that overconfidence made him vulnerable because anyone near him could witness his behavior and his enjoyment of the coverage, and then report him to the police. That's still possible, even today. But if the killer was less sophisticated than we initially thought, then why was it so difficult to capture him? As we've talked about on this podcast, the answer is complicated, but it ultimately boils down to a blend

of primitive investigative technology, racism and apathy in the police force, a lack of willingness in the community to come forward, and pure luck on behalf of the killer. The thing is, many of those issues remain true today. According to DC Witness, that's a nonprofit that collects and analyzes violent crime data in the nation's capital, the homicide rate is consistently rising here,

and the closure rate is dropping. In 2022, only 42% of homicide cases were closed. Nationwide, black girls and women are at a significantly higher risk of being the victims of violent crime. And a 2020 DC witness study showed that the rate of homicide among black girls and women rose 33% that year in comparison to 15%

among their white counterparts. So why, why are black girls still at risk? And why aren't these cases getting solved? A lot of variables play into closure rate. And it's not always just a racial thing. And sometimes it is a racial thing. It would be irresponsible of me to say that the closure rate is solely dependent on color.

I will say that there are variables. We live and die. Some people buy the street code. Some people out there. They know who murdered this person. They know who committed this arm robbery, but they won't come forward. He was not even so much that he liked sex. He wanted something to pray. It's the largest cult in the world that no one has ever heard of. For three generations, the Luz del Mundo had an incredible control on his community

that began in Mexico and then grew across the United States, until one day. A day of reckoning for the man whose millions of followers call him the Apostle. Their leader was arrested, and survivors began to speak out about the sexual abuse, the murder, and corruption. This is just a business, and their product are people. They want to know that they will kill you. Listen to all episodes now on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or whatever you get your podcasts. 911, what's your emergency? You shot her! Oh my God!

It's a nightmare we could never have imagined. And a killer who is still on the loose. My small town rocked by murder. There are certain murders I'm scared to discuss. In the 1980s, we're in high school losing friends, teachers, and community members. One after another, after another for a decade. We weren't safe anywhere. We're teenagers terrified to leave our own homes.

Would we be next? Who is killing all the kids? And why? In that moment, I saw rage. And why do some want the town secrets to stay dead and buried forever? I'm not sure why you're digging up all this old stuff again, but I'd be careful.

Don't say I didn't warn you, Nancy. Listen to the Murder Years on the I Heart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I could just tell you, you know, the summative variables and some of the reasons why is lack of resistance within the communities to crime. Robbery, there's a millisecond away from a homicide whenever you draw a fire on. And those same people who are committing these homicides will snatch your baby out your room and it should be a missing person. All of this is all in the same vein and that's why it's so important to bring closure to the community. It's so important to solve these cases and the whole folks accountable. This is Henderson Long, CEO of DC's Missing Voice.

Henderson is dedicated to building trust between DC's Black community and the police, with the goal of bettering the homicide's solve rate. He also played a key role in helping us in the early stages of our freeway phantom investigation. I augment the Metropolitan Police Department in the private sector to assist with trace investigations to locate missing persons. And some of the similar work that needs to be done in the community, I do a lot of that work in terms of outreach in terms of investigating cases, in terms of whatever these detectives may need. We promote cases.

We develop a big platform when we stay in close contact. What the lead detectives and stuff is so important. Henderson says this type of work is personally very significant to him. I'm an eight-time homicide loser and my aunt was missing and found murdered. She was missing for 20 years and through the technology of DNA match, we found out about her whereabouts and it was confirmed. My partner, John Andrews, one of the guys I've worked with over here in the missing persons unit who does cold cases, got the family to submit their DNA and trust the police and we put it in the database. We compared it against a set of bones and there it is, you know, I mean after 20

years, her body had been recovered a year later, but by us being uneducated, by it being some fear within our family about putting up your, we were just talking about DNA. I give you my DNA, jam me up on that. Maybe at home, the side, I committed last year or maybe I was, I mean, people were just apprehensive about DNA. Social security numbers, no. Henderson says one of the biggest issues in cases like the Freeway Phantom or any of the other dozen cases he works on is that many of DC's black communities simply don't trust law enforcement. When a murder occurs, it's usually likely that someone in the neighborhood knows something

but they won't tell the cops. Henderson's goal is to act as a neutral ambassador and hopefully convince those witnesses to come forward. How do you convince? Because I mean, you probably are aware that trust in police is at an all-time level. So how do you convince people to work with the police? You get out in the community. We may set up and feed people hot dogs one day

and just hand out resources and educate them. Get out in the community. We may set up and feed people hot dogs one day and just hand out resources and educate them. Let them know we, we hear for you. When they see me with the commander, I have creates in the street as being just on this person. You can have a kilo of cocaine. I'm not here for the kilo. I'm here for the missing person.

So if you want your block to run, you need to tell me, help with this missing. This is some of the things how you persuade, because it's a language within the street and you have to kind of know the language, kind of know the area you in. You know, before you go to a neighborhood and you start jibber jabbing, you do a static drive through, you look at the neighborhood, you call one of the people up, the guys from the neighborhood and you ask him what's popping. Can you walk with me? They see you with him. These are ways you do it in a safe manner. There's a lot of different ways to acquire information to

computer databases to face-to-face interviews. You have the DNA, the forensic technology, all these things are at your disposal. You know, you have business associates, you may go interview them. Credit card information, you have videos available that you can use. Somebody may call me and say, we saw a little girl over in Southeast. I get with the detective and go and pull the video and there she is. So now we got her scheduled. We know she kind of coming in at a certain time.

So these are all investigated like how you work. You understand the person's where they like to go. What are they frequent? What time of day do they go there, you know? Having that good physical description, you'd be surprised how many families don't have an up-to-date photo. Even while they're carrying their camera with them all the time? No, what I mean, like, let's say if you had a child

and a lot of kids nowadays, they too cool to take pictures. So you might have an old picture and I'm just gonna say this kind of like in some of the inner-city communities. We don't really take a lot of pictures, so I get a picture that's old, but my point is, having a good physical description, having a good photo, having fingerprints on file. These are tools, these are all investigative tools.

Having their medical data, knowing about it, like some people may be on medication and they wander off. So having all these things on file, having a community to understand this is in your custody, meaning you can have a child ID kit in your custody with all this stuff in it. The National Center of Missing Spook Kids, they send me a thousand child ID kits

and I get out in the community and we try to get into the schools. Oh, yeah, I have a completed one with my son's fingerprints sitting in my safe at home. Yeah, and the medical data when someone goes missing, especially a child is chaos. You can't, you don't know how to put your left shoe on from the right. You're somethings you think you will remember. You won't remember because if you got it in the kit, you just have to get it. That's the full physical description.

These are things that important. It's interesting because on one side, you're talking about things like forensic and CCTV, which they didn't have in the 1970s when the freeway phantom was praying on children. On the other side, you're talking about stuff like talking to community members and getting people to speak with you that absolutely was available back in the 1970s. But when I look at the photos, the crime scene photos, I'm looking at photos of about

25 white dudes in a black community investigating a black girl's death. And I have to ask wonder to myself, how successful were these white cops in 1971 at getting the community your shaking your head already? Well, you know, he was elusive. He was something to deal with. This was a monster guy. The way I occurred is some suspicion about some type of maybe law enforcement training or some kind of

military training to understand how to dispose of the bodies and how to mess with their head police because he was all he was doing some damage and he was getting away. He didn't leave very much. And at the time, as you spoke about, they didn't have what they have now. I'm just fortunate to have talked to the older detectives who taught me about how to shake the bushes and just how to move in the street. You have to know how to move in the street. You have to know how to what areas to go in and what areas you cannot go in. They don't care who you are. No police working with no police. Bus you open. You got to know. Or if you know somebody that

knows them and they got some kids, you can go on and able, and this is how, mainly how I work. I always have, if I'm going into a really rough neighborhood, I'm always unarmed. I'm always unarmed. I don't carry a pistol. I don't. Why not?

Because I got my patrol units, and I have people that's not far away, gonna speed down. I got a sergeant that's really available, you know, and I go in there and I go in there on the strength of credibility, on the strength of knowing somebody, because that's what take care. The gun is not, somebody get the drop on me.

I can have a gun all I want, and I still can lose my life to get the drop. You got to have that credibility. You have to have those relationships. On a recent trip to DC, my producer Jamie and I did a ride alone with Henderson, following him on his usual route through the neighborhood as he checked in with folks throughout the region. And he brings up a recent case that we'll talk about later. What we're going to do is we're going to go to an area where two month old Coyon Jones, who was a missing person

in Washington, DC, went missing his cases, remains have not been recovered. So he's still a missing person. The mom had confessed on public television that she threw the baby in the dumpster. She actually confessed right in front of me. We just want to go to the neighborhood and be going to talk a little bit in general about just some general things about the case and how unfortunate the case was and just get a visual of the atmosphere with a mother lived there, you know, the environment.

Because that plays a part in, you know, why these cases are occurring, the missing persons they've been in the first place is the conditions, the living conditions and all that stuff, plays in. So we're just gonna ride there, and you guys can take a look. This is every day what you're gonna see, every single day. Sun up the sun down, this is what's going on in the community. And it's perpetuating our most severe cases.

Yeah, it's right up the street. So when you were locked, like if you were to walk over there and get out flyers, what would you say? What would I say to them? I would just tell them that, you know, the child is missing and the child is missing in this area. You know, I'm her uncle. You know, can you help me?

This is that, you know, I know her mom and we all try to look for her Laws a blood some people recognize me by face and they automatically start talking to me about it And some people don't you know, but you you know, I know the area. I know this area pretty well I frequent this area so I really don't stick stand out To any of them they see me before most of them. If they see me coming, they already know what I'm coming for. So I usually just give them the spiel. I mean, I just tell them, if I don't know them,

I tell them anything to get them to possibly help. Or tell me something. There's no standard script. You say whatever you feel in your heart at the time. You know, most people are almost sympathetic when it's your niece or a family member. Then if you tell them you were an investigator, you're working with the police or whatever.

You're using this shut down on you. So I usually give them some story, you know. I give them a little story, a lot. Be honest with you Jamie, you would. I give them a little story a lot. Be honest with you Jamie, you would do better on investigating than I would. What is that? Because I'm from one year woman. If you're good looking, you're not really kind of threatening them.

They don't say anything to try to have a conversation with you. That's like if you got your interview in somebody and it's a male. Sometimes you do better interview in them than another another male interviewer. So sometimes when you get out and you're dealing with men, you can you know you can charm a little bit. You can that's the easier things you can use when you are you be one and what do you say. Sometimes your persona and your your overall things you can use when you are, you be wondering what do you say. Sometimes you're persona and you're overall how they perceive you when you first walk up, you know, what you say really don't matter.

You could just tell them you're looking for the missing person, you're a family member. But all these things weigh in. When you're trying to persuade people, you're trying to get people to give you information. That's the whole business of investigative work. You just gathering all the pertinent information. That's all.

You're trying to get something that you don't already have. And that's information. So whatever you can use, you use it. You know? Look at all. On our ride along, Henderson mentioned the missing person's case of two-month-old Coyon Jones. Coyon was reported missing by his mother in May of 2021.

DC police were investigating his case when Henderson spoke to his mother, LaDonia Boggs. LaDonia confessed to Henderson and CBS9 News that she rolled over on Coyon and he stopped breathing. She said she discarded him in a trash dumpster. Sadly, Coyons' remains were never found, but Henderson is determined to find out the truth and find Coyons' remains. Unfortunately, Henderson admits there wasn't a trace investigator like him in the 1970s during the Freeway

Phantom case. The level of trust between officers and community was likely lower than, with no middleman present to mitigate. Had that been different? Maybe the Freeway Phantom cases would have been solved. The silver lining here is that things have the potential to be better today. With the rise of social media, we saw increased attention on the issue in 2016 when the hashtag DC Missing Girls went viral.

When the Washington DC Police Department tried to raise awareness about missing children and teenagers by posting their images on social media, the campaign backfired, sparking some national outrage and fears of an epidemic of missing children of color. As we mentioned in episode one, the initial Twitter post claimed young black girls were going missing at an alarming rate in DC, and that post spread like wildfire. It was retweeted by a whole host of celebrities and high-profile figures. But then it came to light that the numbers were highly inflated and so the post was somewhat misleading. I wanted to talk about what happened with the viral hashtag of DC Missing Girls and how they

could get it so wrong. What did you think about that? I knew the truth. I knew that they were advertising it on Twitter. Every case was getting advertised. So you saw a heavy volume of kids that you didn't see before. There was an spike, but they were advertising it. Every case got advertised. At one point, the watch commander had discretion to decide which ones went out on their Twitter feed.

Now every missing person regardless of race, creed, color, gender, you know, whatever you are, all that, you're gonna get a missing person's report that go out on Twitter from MPD. And so they saw all of this and somebody took and hashtagged that 14 girls were going missing. Maxwell saw it. Shania Lathan saw it. L-L-QJ, he sent it out. You know, once they tweeted out, man, it's the law. And it really wasn't 14 girls that went missing. And a part of our education is getting the community to understand the criteria for the ambulance, because there was some concern of why has an ambulance?

We know in black kids don't get the ambulance, well there's a criteria. And that's strictly for in case of some form of abduction they use the ambulance. It was a good thing overall. Why do you say that? Because all of the media attention we got now MPD developed a website which is strictly for missing

person. I know you saw it where you can go in and you can get information. It's not real time but it's much better than it was. Every missing person gets their information sent out and you eliminate the question of race. Because now everybody is getting a press release to every media outlet. In many ways that increased visibility was a good thing. Despite what the hashtag got wrong, it highlighted a very real issue that had gone ignored for far too long. But even now, six years later, cases of missing and murdered black girls still get less media attention than the cases involving their white counterparts.

And the closure rate has had little to no improvement. And so we have to ask, have things actually gotten better since the 1970s. When we talked to Henderson about the freeway phantom case, he said many of these same issues from back then can be found in cases today. Henderson brought up one case with very different circumstances, but which serves as an example of how black girls today are as at risk of victimization as they were in 1970. Well, you know, Galicia Roy, that's the case. It's at you.

You know, I probably take my last breath still working in some form of fashion. If it's not training somebody else or another young person, but these cases, I never stop working into this clothes. And if I die, I'm a layout of this all here, we're documenting. This is a part of DC history. This is national history. If you open up religious case, and you look, first of all, the headline is a eight year old child, and next to

it, you got murder to her legacy. You got deception. People pointing finger, nobody's saying nothing. Then you got suicide and then you got some drug abuse. You got the foster care system. You got to, you got a whole bunch of stuff and at the end, when you got all that, all these dynamics, that's what you get. You get something that you have to scratch your head and say, did that really happen? Did she just vanish? Next time on Freeway Phantom. We were very alarmed, but we were very determined to find a relish.

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I'm going to try my best to do it. Fruet Phanum is a production of I Heart Radio, Tinderfoot TV, and Black Bar Mitzvah. Our host is Celeste Hiddley. The show is written by Trevor Young, Jamie Arbright, and Celeste Hiddly. Executive producers on behalf of I Heart Radio include Matt Fredrick and Alex Williams

with supervising producer Trevor Young. Executive producers on behalf of Tinderfoot TV include Donald Arbright and Payne Lindsay with producers Jamie Arbright and Tracy Kaplan. Executive producers on behalf of Black Bar Mitzfa include myself Jay Ellis and Aaron Bergman with producer Sidney Fooves. Lead researcher is Jamie Albright, artwork by Mr. Soul 216, original music by makeup and vanity set, special

thanks to a team at UTA, Beck Media and Marketing and the Nord Group. Tinder for TV and I Heart Media as as well as Black Barmatsova, have increased the reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for their freeway phantom murders. The previous reward of up to $150,000 offered by the Metropolitan Police Department has been matched.

A new total reward of up to $300,000 is now being offered. If you have any information relating to these unsolved crimes, A new total reward of up to $300,000 is now being offered. If you have any information relating to these unsolved crimes, contact the Metropolitan Police Department at area code 202-727-9099. For more information, please visit freeway-fanon.com. For more podcasts from our radio and Tinder for TV, visit the IHR radio app, Apple Podcast, or ever listen to your favorite shows.

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