Games with Names - "2005 NBA Finals: Game 5" with Robert Horry | Spurs vs. Pistons

Episode Date: February 13, 2024

Robert Horry is in studio! We're breaking down his legendary Game 5 performance from the 2005 NBA Finals. Robert joins us on the couch (5:36). We go back to June of 2005 (33:44). We check out these rosters (47:02). We get into the game (1:04:49). We score it (1:40:02). We wrap it up with some all time clutch talk (1:51:53). Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And Eminem was behind the bench, said, you won't be getting number six tonight, buddy. And it's Eminem, you know, one of the greatest rappers of all time. Go, go, we all love him. Yeah, and so I had to talk trash back to him. What'd you say? You in trouble now, dog. They better get me. And then after I did this dunk on Rip, I looked at him like, told you. It's f***ing over. On today's episode, we are talking Game 5 of the 2005 NBA Finals

between the San Antonio Spurs and the Detroit Pistons. Don't tell nobody this, but I go back and watch this game and pat myself on the back and smile. Because I had a hell of a game, man. Big shot Bob Rob Ori is in studio. Seven-time champion. He did it last year in the finals. He's done it for us all regular season long.

And he's going to keep on doing it. And that's Robert for you. When I look back, I think this is the second hottest I ever been. So it's a back-and-forth night. I sucked in the first half. I remember sitting in the corner talking to myself, you know, Rob, you fucking sucked tonight. You supposed to be big shot, Bob.

You terrible. And Bruce is looking at me like, this dude going crazy, right? And then the next thing you know, I come out in the second half, I just ball out. 21 points in the last 17. To have the performance I had in the fourth quarter and a little bit of overtime with no plays called for me is one of the best performances you could have.

Games with Names is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome to Games with Names presented by WinBet. On today's episode, we are talking Game 5 of the 2005 NBA Finals between the San Antonio Spurs and the Detroit Pistons with Robert Ori. Who's the real big shot? We get into that. We get into the talk of rings and things.

Rings and things, baby. We're out of ring watching. We got seven of them. Dang. The secret about being clutch we'll get into. We get a lot of visualization stuff. Visualized success. I feel like we got scientific.

Sports science. What is that shit they have on the worldwide leader? That guy from sports science. I can't remember his name. I feel like he's been gone ever since. Ever since. I don't know. It gets too deep.

Yeah, we get into Pop versus Jackson, Phil. Completely different. Awesome to really get to hear where they were the same and where they were, like, completely different. Rob can speak on both of those. Not a lot of guys can. He can, man. And, I mean, you can't talk this era of basketball

without talking brawls. Malice in the palace, baby. Malice in the palace. We even dabble in a little college football. Big Alabama guy. Roll Tide. Yep.

And then we'll wrap up the show talking about some of the most clutch athletes of all time with some game. Some game Jackie throws at me. Let's go, baby. Let's go.

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Welcome to Games with Names presented by Winbet. And we have a very special guest today. Big shot Bob, Rob, Ori is in studio. Seven time champion, which he, you know, I joked with him. I said, hey man, you got the Brady. He goes, no, no, no. I got the Ori. I started it first.

What did you say? I said, no, Brady has the Ori. There it is. 18 year NBA career. If you have a word of Clutch, his name and his picture is in that dictionary. You know, they call him Big Shot Rob for a reason, or Bob. Thanks for coming to the studio, man. Welcome.

Man, thanks for having me. You know, when they called me and told me that you wanted me to be on your podcast, I said, me? You sure you want me? Get out of here. Because I'm such a big fan of you, man. Like when you're on TV, Sunday football, I'm always watching you. When you go off, I go somewhere else.

I love what you do, man. I mean, I appreciate that. And, I mean, let's jump into it. You know, what people don't realize, everyone, our set time was 11 o'clock. Okay. 11 o'clock. And you know, I'm in here taking a shower, getting ready. You just got back from the gym. It's 10 50. And I got people coming to the room. Hey, Rob's here. Rob's here. And that's the kind of, is that the kind of guy you were when you were playing?

Like it just right away 10 minutes early probably doing a couple shots getting getting lubricated what's going on you know for me is when you're an athlete you know if practice starts at 10 o'clock you're always gonna be there with 9 39 o'clock depending on you need to get treatment and that's just who i am you know i value time time is so precious to me and I don't want to waste your time because I don't know if you got Tom Brady coming after me I know I might get bumps I want all my time you know what I mean but I just think that you have to respect people's time and I just I always want to be on time and if I'm ever late I'll probably apologize 20 times if I'm late but you know how it is being an athlete you got've got to be ready to go. When Coach says practice at 11 o'clock, you've got to be ready to go.

You got it. The John Wooden rule, if you're on time, you're late. Yeah. You know, so today we are looking at the Spurs versus the Pistons. I mean, we have so many games we could have got into, but we had to get into the 2005 NBA Finals game. Game what, Jackie? Game five, baby.

Game five. Is that an important game? Some would say. baby game five is is that an important game some would say someone is that an important isn't there some kind of crazy stat if it's two two tie 17 of the last 23 at this time had gone on to win the finals so game five's pivotal pivotal by the way that's jack that's kyler robert good to meet you man part of the crew got Got a great crew here, man. You're making it even. You're making it. This is all for you.

Explain to us why this game. You know, you got to understand, and when you're playing a really good team like we were back then in the Detroit Pistons, they had just beat the Lakers for a championship, so they wanted another championship because you know how it is in sports. When you win one, someone says, oh, it was a fluke. But when you win two, they say you're a dynasty, even though you're not a dynasty, but they start talking about,

oh, this is the possibility of a dynasty. So that's a very pivotal game. And we in Detroit. And for people who don't know, this was a time when the playoffs was two, three, two. So you play two at home, then you go on the road and play three, and then you play two at home to try to win.

So you think about this Detroit Pistons, Detroit basketball, these guys don't lose at home. So we go down three, two, going back to our building, it's gonna be hard to win two games in a row. So game five, I just caught fire and it was one of those games where it was, when you go, I even don't tell nobody this, but I go back and watch this game and pat myself on the back and smile because i had a i had a hell of a game man now

when when you're in that kind of zone yeah like i remember once in eighth grade you know i was playing wppsl at uh mount carmel and i i felt like i was in the zone anytime i'd throw it up you know i caught that for like two seconds is that that how, like you just, anytime you catch it, catch, shoot, it's in. Man, you know, when I look back at certain games, I think this is the second hottest I've ever been in the NBA. The first time was in Cleveland when I hit like nine threes in that game and I was hot. And then there was another time where I was kind of equal to that

when Milwaukee, where I got my career high of 40. But this game, because in those games, when I say that, they ran plays for me. This game, Pop Nut didn't run one play for me. It was just all shots. I just, you know what, F this. I'm taking this. I'm feeling good.

And for me, when you get that hot, the basket is like the ocean. Just, you know, whatever way you do it, it goes in. Now, let's talk about some of these facts. You're from Bama. I'm from Alabama. Are you a big Bama fan, Roll Tide? Roll Tide all the way, man.

I love college football. So is that your Saturdays is dedicated to college football? Or Alabama football? No, college football period. In general? I watch everybody. I watch Florida State play. I watched Oregon because my stepdaughter, she went to Oregon.

I watched UCLA. I just love college. I love football. My mama wouldn't let me play, by the way, but I love it. And I sometimes watch college more than NFL because it's almost like a different type of passion. It's like the pros are so good and they're so precise, but you just like the rawness of the college game. Some of those guys can't do the precision that you guys do.

And I was just like, it's just fun to watch. Now do you think it's changing a little now that these guys are basically professionals making more money and taking pay cuts when they get to the NFL, even though Alabama, Florida, and I think Georgia and a lot of these other teams, when I was playing, they were taking pay cuts because they were getting paid by boosters. So, you know, like, has it changed? You know, it's changed because every time you pick up

the whatever you want to, an app or whatever, you see, oh, this quarterback is in the portal. I think it's like 12 quarterbacks in the portal already. I mean, like, come on, you know, and i know it's all about you and the loyalty there's no loyalty in sports so to say but i just think it gets to a point where the ncaa i think they have to you know monitor this yeah because i i seen one guy he transfers every year it's like are you trying to get to the next level are you just trying to get paid now don't get me wrong i'm all about you getting your paper,

but it has to be some type of control. And I know this is the last year, the COVID year and whatnot. And they need to get a handle on it. Without a doubt. I mean, because if you're going to get paid, like us pros, we sign contracts. This is the best free agency I've ever seen in my life yes i mean legit it's it's your free agent every year if you want to be yes which you know is good and

bad yes i i definitely think it's changing a little and they definitely have to have some kind of regulation on it yeah so you you're watching college football what's life for you like now that you you've been retired a little bit? And like you said, time allocations, everything. What's the time going to these days? Yeah, you know, I'm kind of like, you know, I'm in the TV world where I do Laker television. I work for Spectrum.

I don't know if I can say it on here, but Charter. And then we do the Lakers television. And I've been there for 13 seasons. And, you know, country boy from Alabama. I never thought I would be doing Laker television because LA's you know it's it's it's not the dirty south you you know it's some of the slang I use people like what the hell did you just say but I'm having fun but it also allows me to do my schedule the way my son's high school schedule I I schedule around

his schedule since I've been there 13 years I can I can do that. And that's the most important thing to me, to try to go to each and every one of his games. But I also talk to his coach when I be like, yo, is this a good game? He be like, nah, that's not a good game. You don't need to be at that one. Cause they've been blowing people out by 30 and 40 cause they won state championship last year.

So they really, really good. And so I'm like, okay, do I go make money or do I miss this game or do I make this game? And I like my schedule now because I can do what I want to 13 years yeah dude i mean you've earned that and that's what a lot of people don't realize when we were talking when you sacrifice as much time and energy and attention of your life to a single craft which people don't realize 10 minutes early before the meeting mr or he was here so you know he was a constant professional. That, like, once you're done, you know, you got to kind of,

you got to give your flowers to all the people in your circle, and that's your family, your friends, and give them. So, you know, that's awesome. That's awesome. It's so important, you know, to make sure you know, because think about it, how old are your kids? My little girl just turned seven. Let's see. In 10 years, you're going to be it how old are your kids my little girl's just turned seven let's see in in 10 years you're gonna be like what are the time go she's me off to college and you

can like she's never gonna call you but once you want something so so it's just it's just like that you know my oh i have two older kids and they're like yo what do you need uh dad i can tell by one of my texts like yo papa i'm like okay what do you need? It's so funny. He says, like, Papa. When he says Papa, I'm like, you never call me Papa. But he's like, Papa. I'm like, what do you need? Well, my truck needs new tires.

I'm like, well, go get some. But I love my kids, man. I'd do anything in the world for them. It's just fun. So enjoy that seven-year-old. I know. We just started soccer. Things are crazy right now.

She's in this little club team and trying to see if she likes it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because she's athletic. It's just, you know. Does she get that from you or from her mother? What? Her athleticism.

I would say me. No. No. Let's go back to early days where'd this where'd this clutch start you know for me i think it happened in in high school and i can i can really pinpoint when it happened we used to have this tournament the andalusia invitational where it was a christmas tournament my junior year i'm killing it what year is this my it says it's i don't really want to say, but okay, you make me say 1987. All right. I was born in 88.

87. 87. And it's our tournament, and I get fouled, and we're down two. I go to the free throw line, make the first one. I miss the second one. We lose the game and i remember walking in that locker room we hadn't lost that tournament in like 20 years this was the first time i was losing i walk in the locker room all my teammates are crying and i'm

sitting there like what did i just do and from that moment on i says i gotta be better i gotta be more focused i gotta do whatever i can do to make sure we're not putting this position again and then what really made me feel bad is you know the next game we played you know i had like I got to be more focused. I got to do whatever I can do to make sure we're not putting this position again. And then what really made me feel bad is, you know, the next game we played, you know, I had like 50 points. I'm killing it, right? But I get MVP, and I have a picture of me where I'm holding a trophy like, I don't deserve this.

Even though I was the best player in that tournament and they gave it to me, I'm like, this is home cooking. I'm like, I don't want this because I didn't deserve it because I let my team down. From that moment on, I've just been that type of player to do whatever it is my team needs, score points, defense, block shots, rebound, because it wasn't about me. It wasn't about me being successful. It was about us being successful. It's so crazy.

It's something as little as that, that sparks a mindset where you don't want to let your team down. And I, I have, I have, I have a story where the same thing where I felt terrible. We were, it was my sophomore year of high school. What year was that?

I was at, huh? What year was that? 2002. Oh man, I was on my what fifth championship i was watching you and uh we were undefeated nine and oh the team that we were playing menlo atherton it was our rival they were nine and oh and it was frosh off that was a late bloomer but we were good and i was playing safety and a kid they threw it was like there's six seconds to go

they threw it deep i went up and i high pointed it and picked it and i was trying to run it back and i did a stumble bum a stumble bum is when you put your arm down and you have the ball right here to try to keep yourself up. And I'm going, and one of their guys took the ball, and we were tied and scored time off. We lost. Wow. You know, and that's what you were talking about right there from your story

about missing that shot and let your team down. I felt so terrible. You know, like that literally hurt me hurt me still hurts me to this day losing to menlo atherton our rival 9-0 versus 9-0 championship on the line yeah it was bad man but you know from there on out yeah you know it puts a reminder in your head you never want to feel that again so you tighten everything up you tighten everything it. You tighten everything up. It's amazing how much more focused little things like that can make you in your career. And when you don't have any adversity or any setbacks like that,

it seems like everything is like you're going down a path, but when it hits you, you're like, okay, it's like a shell shock. So I can appreciate that moment. Yeah. Now, you were Alabama Player of the year in high school correct grew up in Bama was it a given you were gonna go to Bama no I wanted to go to Georgia Tech Georgia Tech yes I wanted to go to Georgia Tech and because I went to a high school that was we didn't they didn't give us pep rallies they didn't do anything our football team was no decent but they weren't as

good as us and it just pissed me off each of them that they didn't respect anything. Our football team was decent, but they weren't as good as us. And it just pissed me off, each of them, that they didn't respect basketball. And so I'm like, I'm not going to Alabama, man. You know, Alabama is football, football, football. I said, I want to go to the ACC. I want to play for Bobby Cremins and Georgia Tech. So how much did they pay you to get you to go?

Here's the funny, nobody ever gave me anything someone i'm not gonna say who offered my mom a car and my mom says i don't want that shit she said because i don't feel like i owe you anything just in case my son decides to you know leave that school and so my mom wouldn't take anything and she heard that i took 500 from someone she's like you need to get that money back i says okay i didn't give it back but I said okay but uh for me it's just Georgia Tech the ACC a basketball conference you say ACC basketball comes to mind you say SEC football comes to mind so I was like I want to go to the ACC but you know my mom she gets mad when I tell this story my mom said well if you go to Georgia Tech you probably won't see me that much if you go to

alabama you'll see me a lot and so i went to alabama yeah so but i felt about back by the way though i was also academic player of the year in alabama too academic yeah mama had him right yeah my mom was a school teacher my dad served 18 years in the military so i had a lot of discipline in my life. You know what I was going to ask? He was 10 minutes early. I was going to say, you got family in the military as well. I swear to God I was thinking that.

Okay, so ACC basketball. SEC football. These were good Georgia. These were Final Four Georgia Tech teams. Kenny Anderson days. I got a game real quick. What comes to mind when you say Pac-10? Basketball.

What comes to your mind when you hear? Big Ten. Big Ten. Football. And most importantly, what comes to your mind when you hear the Mac? Baseball. Baseball? Yeah.

Who's out of baseball? I don't know. I just want to give baseball some love. It's too cold. Even though Kentent state my school in the mac they've they went to like three or four college world series in the last couple you know decade or something they didn't win i don't think but i think like i i love baseball too i just like you know i played baseball growing up a lot of people thought i was going to get a scholarship in baseball before basketball. What position? I pitched first base in center field.

You're throwing gas, clearly. That's all I had. I had a changeup, a fastball, and a curveball. I had three pitches, that's all. Could you imagine big shot Bob on the mound looking like Randy Johnson? Because Randy's, what, 6'7"? You're 6'8", 6'10"? 6'9", 6'10". 6'10", yeah.

Jesus. You probably would have been able to throw for years too because your body's so big and lanky. Man. Alright. I was a Warriors fan growing up. And I changed being a Warriors fan because it got so good and I went to Boston. So you're a Celtics fan now?

I became boys with the guys. Okay. I can respect that. You know what I mean? That's now I became I became boys with the guys okay I can respect you know what I mean and everyone it's kind of that's how I became an Astros fan because I became friends with Bagwell and Biggio and all those guys I understand that yeah yeah you know so I went to Boston they were winning and when I left the Warriors were you know they were getting good and they were signing you know they it became different than the warriors i grew up i grew up with spree my teammate your teammate from college choking out coaches and stuff had a spree well jersey loved it yeah any good spree well stories from back to school man it's you know spree well was believe not very quiet uh didn't say much and he was you know it was really nothing

to say he loved electronics electronics. He loved cars. That's when he had the spinners and stuff like that. He was just that quiet guy, man. There's no stories to tell. So he's an imploder. Yeah. If you look at our team at Bama, I played with 15 pros that went on to the NBA. And there was never anybody.

We just came and did work man we came and worked out did our job and went home because nobody was though we had no characters yeah yeah i only got the characters so you get to the nba that's the only time you come across characters yeah but i'm sure with you is like 52 you guys on the field 53 53 on a squad 46 on game day but then you have like 100 with practice squad guys. That's some characters right there, though. Yeah, there was. But where I was at. No nonsense. It was kind of like probably were, you know, like the Spurs.

You know, you had structure. Yes. And your best player was the guy holding the court. Yeah. And if he's working hard and not being a character, Tom Brady, you can't have guys do that now we had fun in different ways but everyone was about that work yeah everyone was about the work like practice was really hard for us everything was evaluated always everything

it was never about like slapping a guy in the butt for doing his job it was more like this is what you did wrong you're expected to do that. Now let's go. Let's correct it so we all can sleep at night. I'm the type of person, my wife gets mad at me because I don't give people credit for things they're supposed to do. Same.

And so she gets mad. I'm like, well, he's supposed to do that. I'm like, no, you should. I'm like, I tell him every now and then he played a good game. But she says, always focus on the negative i'm not focusing on the negative i'm pointing out the things that you could have done better to make yourself better and she's like well you need to focus on some of the good things i do but not as much as the bad things i say i have a relationship with my son that's different than you and so i appreciate

people like that that says okay we're gonna work hard i'm not gonna say okay you caught the ball you're supposed to catch the ball yeah like i'm not gonna give you a high five now if it's a hell of a catch when you catch it like this with three fingers or something then i might give you a little praise yeah you know and i have to catch myself with that too because that's that's the environment pre my era and pre my era were like yeah it wasn't about really like we're out here to have fun it was like we're out here to fucking win yeah you know we're out here like to do a job yeah you know and a lot of people don't like that you know especially nowadays it's different you know things it's really different you know you gotta you gotta love kids up yeah and if you don't you know you they could tank or something so you know it's

definitely changed that word those words built different it applies in so many different ways you know i mean i know even with with phil when we would do stuff like we would practice hard and you would come to our practices you'd be like are they did they just lose our practices were intense you know nowadays guys they don't even practice anymore. They do walkthroughs, we need to save our bodies, we need to load management. It's like all these practices prepared us for the games, we made the games easier.

You think about Shaq and Kobe and you on the second team, they mad that day. They coming at you, that's gonna make you better. That's gonna teach you the game even more. And that's just the way the game should be played. And it's so weird because I learned that when I first got in the league, because I had Vernon Maxwell, Kenny Smith,

Olajuwon, Otis Thorpe, these guys went hard every day. Then when I got traded to the Phoenix Suns, I'm going in practice, I'm like, what is this, a country club? They didn't practice hard, they didn't do this. I'm like, now i understand why we used to we were down three one of you guys we came back and beat you then we were down three two we came back and beat you because the mentality and the way you taught things in practice there's no

carry over to the games and that's why you see and me from watching games you can tell the teams that practice and the teams that don't practice you know it's gotten tricky too now because of the sport science and all this load management and this and that it started getting prevalent when i started like middle of my career where we were on the gps things and they'd say you'd be down or you'd be up according to your energy output and your recovery levels and this and it's kind of interesting to me because we're starting to see like so many more injuries like i was talking to our our trainer and he goes you know we we do everything by decades it used to be get one achilles you know every couple years now we're getting three achilles uh you know a year yes and it used to be where you practice so hard and if you didn't get out of camp like if you get hurt in camp but whoever calcified and

made it through camp yeah you're you're going you're you're putting yourself in the best situation to finish a season you know what i mean now it's kind of like well we can't practice them too hard where maybe it's gone to the point where you're not stressing your body enough that when you hit that sudden jolt of energy in a game situation which you always get five percent higher because you're in competition and you have that adrenaline mode so maybe the body's not used to it so now we're seeing a lot more crazy injuries see i totally agree with you on that i said to me that's my philosophy because right now we went out and say okay you and i are going to run a hundred yard dash and the competitive nature and this is going to come out i'm probably going to pull a hamstring you're

probably going to finish but not me because i'm 53 i'm breaking me yeah i'm going because we haven't trained our body we haven't trained our bodies and that's what i'm trying to tell people like you gotta train your body so when you get into that moment you're ready for that moment and plus i also think that due to the fact in the nba guys can you know smoke certain things to mask the injuries in the pain so they say okay i'm smoked this i don't feel no pain now you go out and like okay this was a worse injury than i thought it was now is uh out for the season injury so i think there's so many things like that that go into why guys aren't you know staying on the field of the court or as much as possible because they

don't recognize what's going on it was crazy which it was my strength but also probably what put me out was I would train so hard in the off season where you're taxing your body so hard that like you're redlining on injury, just in off season training, just because you want to get your body into a whole nother level for the season and you got to get it prepared for it. You know what I mean? Oh, I know.

So I don't feel like that's happening as much. So then when you do put that energy output into a game that's when things can go wrong your body's got to feel it you know so it's it's complicated i don't know what the answers are but it just to me it seems like there's a lot more of these injuries a lot more you know and maybe guys you know maybe need to take a teaspoon of cement yeah and i also my training process in the summer was very hard also i've had three nba players i'm not gonna call your name out that will work out with me and then by day three like dude i'm out i said why you like you trained to or i'm like dude you gotta prepare yourself for when this when training camp comes because back then we had training camp for what two weeks and it was two a days yeah you want to be ready so you're not that third day training

camp you can barely move so the guys like now you train too hard they said you got to prepare your body for it so everything else would be easy and it's just weird how they're and these are superstars that you were like oh crap just imagine if you trained hard how good you would be. Some guys are just God-gifted. Let's get back into the game. In 2005, what was life like for you? It was amazing, man. You think about this. You're on a national stage, a world stage because the game is so global now,

and you're able to go out and play for a team that, you know, hated you just two years ago because I was on the Lakers. And now you're able to go out and perform and have such a great performance that it goes down as one of the best games ever. And for me, I remember my first year being with the Spurs. I'm sitting there. They're getting their rings. They're beating us. And I'm sitting like, shit, I never been on this side. I'm usually getting the ring.

So the first year I was with the Spurs i had a bad year so this was my second year with the spurs so my second i was on a one-year deal i signed for like a million dollars nobody knows this i could have went to um the dallas marriott and paid for like four million a year whatever it was but i said you know what i had such a bad year i feel like i owe them and i stayed and that's the performance i had and it's like you know what this is who i am don't look at what the performance because people you know they always say i only show up during the playoffs which is not true it's just you use me more in the playoffs because you know you need me and so that and for me that game that series was just incredible because

if you go down the history of the nba and people I had to guard, it's been two guys that always given me problem, Tim Duncan and Rasheed Wallace, because of their size and their athletic ability. And Rasheed was just, he's just a tough cover for me. And then win that series against him, even though a couple of years before that, we won that series in Portland, but he just one of the greatest players

that nobody ever talks about because he can do a little bit of everything. So when I look back at that, yeah. I look back at that 2000. Did he have like the little ball spot? His ball spot was a great spot. Yeah, a little great spot. Yeah, a great spot.

Whooping the forces. I used to fuck with him. Two Bud Light, two Bud Heavys. Both the Wallace's too, man. Oh man. So it was a fun series, man. And for me, like I said earlier, to have the performance I had in the fourth quarter and a little bit over time with no plays called for me, like I said earlier, to have the performance I had in the fourth quarter and a little bit overtime with no plays called for me is one of the best performances you could have.

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begins you remember that movie yes i do the start of the trilogy for christopher nolan one of my favorites this is when i fucking loved because i was a huge batman fan when i was a kid and i had all that i still am yeah same same but they gave you it was like the first movie that gave you the origins of where batman came from you know and the whole like you had to go and so are you dc or marvel i'm d i'm batman okay okay i like that okay i like i like marvel's i like the original ones it's just gotten a little too crazy now yeah you know where everything's connected i like like the original iron man the original og spider-man yes you can never go wrong with all the spider i like the spider-mans yeah i love nick ferrido you know just who doesn't love samuel jackson i just love nick

ferrido you can't not like samuel jackson i used to call martellus bennett you remember marty yeah he used to he used to get on these little tangents and he sounded just like samuel jackson when he to me yeah he's just you know how like samuel you got to be you know you'd be saying that shit team meetings and stuff it was crazy yeah number one song is we belong together mariah carey actually fun fact my first concert ever i was in eighth grade mm-hmm I went in samurai carry I was I was I was like four foot two actually you better I met her yeah and I was four foot two so you could only imagine I was like in heaven I know I had pleasure I had the pleasure of meeting her wants to because of Penny

Marshall you know Penny Marshall was a good friend of mine and she's like oh Mariah has you want to go and all yes and she is just like i was like wow she is so pretty she is i was like i was amazed but yeah and her voice yes her regular talking voice is just beautiful uh reddit was founded at this time on june 23rd do you ever go on reddit you know no it's like it's basically i know what it is but i never go on like i have this like this game that i have on on my ipad and they says you have to be you go on reddit and they tell you what to do i'm like i ain't doing that shit yeah i have a group a text chain a group of friends that are always talking about it i'll jump on

it here and there yeah you know wedding crashers hits theater did you see that oh motorboat man yeah those bad boys everybody loves wedding crashes man oh don't don't think my daughter's gonna be a little notch on the belt not wearing a belt in the sports world in 2005 the patriots beat the eagles in super bowl 34 that was a dream team that they beat remember that was when patia balled out with like a broken leg yeah uh that those were some good games tiger won tiger woods won his fourth master that was must watch tv for me anytime he was playing tiger yeah that was like that's like my favorite thing to watch as you play a lot of golf? No. I don't play at all either. I don't either, but I loved

watching Tiger Woods. Because anytime at this era, it was like he was down three strokes going into Sunday, you knew there was blood in the water. Exactly. He had the red on. Tiger was just going to go crazy. Reggie Miller's final

season in the NBA, what a stud. Oh he was, you know, we actually tried to get him to come join the Spurs in 2000 after he retired. Said, no, come play with us, you know, you got a chance to win a championship. He's like, nah, I'm done. I did it with him, I did it with Grant Hill. I'm like, come on Grant, come join us, man,

get a championship. But Grant decided to go to the Suns. I'm like, see, I told you, I don't Grant. Come join us, man. Get a championship. But Grant decided to go to the Suns. I'm like, see, I told you. I don't lose, dude. Every other year, I win a championship. Every other year. Literally. Yeah, yeah.

They were saying KG tried to do that for the Celtics, too, in 08. They tried to get Reggie. Yeah. He said, now again. I mean, hey, you got to respect a man that says when he's done, he's done. Oh, respect. That's, you know what I mean? Steve Nash won MVP.

This was in the Steve Nash era. Yeah. This is that controversial one. Let's hear it. Because this is the one where Kobe balled out. You know, this is what Kobe had. I think he had the 81-point game, and he was just – and everybody was like – because when you do – you know, I love Steve Nash.

Steve Nash was my rookie in Phoenix. It's like the NBA always look at the previous season. If you have the exact same stats, you don't win MVP. Think about it, because Jordan, really? So he had the exact same stats. The team actually, I think, had more losses, and he got MVP. And everybody was like, what the hell is this? And it's just they didn't grade him on the curve as they graded MJ,

you know, Barkley, Dream, and all these other guys who had won MVPs before him. You know, if you ask Shaq, Shaq say this is what he should have wanted. You ask Shaq, he should have wanted every year he played. This was Miami Shaq too. This is Miami Shaq. Man, I love Shaq. Yeah, I do too. I just ordered a chacaroni a couple days ago. The chacaron This is Miami Shack. Yeah. Man, I love Shack. Yeah, I do, too.

I just ordered a chacaroni a couple days ago. The chacaroni is so underrated. I mean, I still have heartburn from the pepperoni. That's like my comfort food, man. Pizza and football. That is the perfect thing. Where's your favorite pizza from? You know what?

I don't have. Because you basketball guys, literally, you have lives in every city. Yeah. So, like football, when we travel, we got meetings from when we get there. We got curfew. We got meetings in the morning. Ain't nobody leaving. We got no curfew.

I know. You guys get to have a whole life. I remember, man, when you play in L.A., you only get to go to Miami once. I remember one time, man, we got into Miami maybe like at 12 o'clock. We got there, like five limos lined up, and we went straight from the bus to limo and feel like, where the hell y'all going? We going out!

I think every bottom team went out, man. We already had the cars lined up, but we went and hung out. It was like, shit, we don't get that much, so we going to hang out. And that's the one thing that, you know, now with the NBA set up, they couldn't have did it in our era, our era because now you think you go to city you might play two games in that city man it wouldn't have been no good for us man so think about that you know you in miami for like six days or something like that man that's why you should have home home court advantage because

you in miami for six days of la think about you in la some guys have home court advantage because you in Miami for six days, the LA, think about you in LA. Some guys in LA are weak because you got the Clippers and you got the Lakers. I'm like, man, if you don't win that game, those guys legs should be dead from partying and doing all that type of stuff. So, you know, that's for after dark. Edelman, we'll talk about the next time.

After dark. Games with names unrated, baby. Yes, exactly. Man, you know miami does start at 12 i mean that's when you're starting to wrap up dinner let's set the stage jack for the detroit pistons going into this game let's jump into the uh the defending champ pistons defense rob alluded to earlier they were coming off that 4-1 win over the Lakers in the finals. So they had the bullseye on their back. Larry Brown in his second season, second seed in the East. This is a team with the Wallaces, Rip Hamilton, Darko on the bench still.

We got Antonio McDyess. We got Carlos Arroyo, Mr. Big Shot. We'll get into that later, who the real Big Shot is, though. Chauncey, current Lakers head coach, Darvin ham uh they had ben wallace defensive player of the year um this was also the malice in the palace season so don't forget that's a little bit of a what is your thoughts about that well what is the what is what are the boys talking about in the locker room after that shit goes down are you guys like i can't believe that happened? Man, we like, what the fuck were they thinking, man? You know, because I went into the stands once to get Vernon Maxwell when we was in Portland.

And luckily I just grabbed him to get him out of the stands before anything went down. He got suspended, I think, five games. And I didn't get suspended. I only got like fine, like five grand or something like that. But that was bananas. People don't realize that year the Pacers probably would beat them to go to the finals the pacers were freaking good that year yeah that team was a beast and now they open up the opportunity for these guys to do what

you know i have the you know the pleasure of doing this at my show with the lakers with artes sometimes and he talks about it. He always says. Give me meta. Yeah, he says he don't know what, you know, he just clicked and he just lost. Blacked out. Yeah. You know what? Because it all started with him and Ben Wallace getting into it. Yeah.

And so I don't know if you've seen the Malice in the Palace, but you have to watch. It's really good. And it breaks it down and explains everything about the situation. Very end of the game, like garbage times. The thing is, with basketball, these people are right up on you. Yeah. I mean, you got a chili dog on a basketball sometimes

when it's thrown out of bounds. I mean, it's crazy to me. You know, with football, these guys have to be, you know, there's like, there's a fucking block off. And the thing about football, I love football like I said earlier, but when you watch it, it's like it's so hard to know who every guy is because you can't see your faces. You're always covered up and the guys

who really wear those black shields, don't know how to see and catch balls with that, you don't know who they are. And it's like with us, all we got was a tank top and some shorts. So you see pretty much all of us. And so you, and then the fans are right there on the court and they talking trash and they like in your ear and so it's just it's i i really appreciate my sport but i kind of love your sport the fact that you walled off from

the fans and then you can't really hear what they say i know you probably can but i just assume that you can't yeah i mean worst fan base that that talked the most shit. What was yours? Oh, my goodness. When you were playing. I'll tell you mine afterwards. Utah. Utah. I've heard that. People don't understand.

The Utah Jazz fan are hoes. They can say some wild and out-of-pocket stuff, man. Yeah. I have to, you know, I've played against some crazy fan bases. Buffalo is always crazy fun. But I had this part in the back of my head. I had these two lines. And I went up to Philadelphia thinking I was tight.

Went to Philly. Had like a mohawk thing. Couple parts. This guy for fucking three straight hours talked shit about my goddamn partner. Hey, Edelman. that fucking partner back's terrible. The whole night. After I threw a touchdown pass at that game,

I went right up to him, I looked at him, and I just pointed at my partner. I was like, fuck you. No, but it's fun, you know what I mean? It's fun talking shit with players. It's fun, yeah. What do we got, Jaggie? Oh, yeah, that about does it for

the pistons great defensive team also also by the way shout out i was at uh travis scott two weeks ago and i rip was i was at travis scott were you here rip was right next to me and gronk me and gronk went to it okay and we were talking to i was talking to rip he's a big ass football fan because him and brady were cool i think because he went to UConn and, you know, they were winning championships this time. Yeah, Rip was thinking about sending his kids to Harvard West. I think they went to Campbell Hall. But, yeah, Rip always, you know, he tells his kids he's never been dunked on.

And then one of his kids says, didn't Robert Urie dunk on you in the finals in game five? He's like, that don't count because that was a charge. I'm like, no, dog. You got dunked on. Plot, baby, all day. God damn you, YouTube. Exactly, right?

As kids. You can't. You know, it's like back in our day, our parents can be like, yeah, I walked uphill in the snow four miles. I'm like, dad, we live in San Francisco. There's no snow. And now, like, you can literally Google shit. You can fact check the snow for four miles. I'm like, dad, we live in San Francisco. There's no snow. And now like you can literally Google shit.

You can fact check the shit out of things. Yeah, especially when you tell like, you say something, you know, cause you don't remember a lot. So you said, oh, da, da, da, da. No, next one was like, no, you didn't have 20 points. You had 19 points. And I'm just gonna fact check you

and let you know you lying to the public. I'm like, dude, 19, 20, what's the difference? You know? It's a rounding error. It's a rounding error. Yeah. Little joker. Don't you got homework? Mm-hmm. I'm gonna, dude, 1920, what's the difference, you know? It's a rounding error. It's a rounding error. Yeah. Little joker. Don't you got homework?

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16 in the first 20 games. Ended up winning 50 of their first 65. Tim battled a little bit of injury down the stretch. Missed 12 of the last 16 games, but battled back. That ankle injury was nagging. This was the team with Parker, Ori, Bruce Bow bowen big shot bob genoble this was kind of genoble's coming out party first year he was an all-star uh really came into his own um picked up nazi muhammad in the mid season which was big down the stretch another big body to help tim out there um all-stars, Ginobili and Duncan, Pop, of course.

I mean, middle of the dynasty, won in 99, and then 03, and now we're going for the second in three years. I mean, it's crazy. So you go from Lake Show with Coach Jackson jackson and and kobe and shack and then you go like to pop and you got duncan what like what's that culture like how is that like going from a a team that you guys probably hated and be like similar pillar type organizations that have superstars that run the league so it'll be like going from the city with big lights to a small country town yeah remember in alamo you gotta remember it yeah it's just how it is you think about all the flash you know you got all these

celebrities you know you look up halle berries over, you look up Halle Berry's over there, you look up there, Gwyneth Paltrow's over there, you got all these stars, you know, Denzel's coming up to you saying, yo man, y'all sucked tonight, you need to get, you know, get it going. And then you get the- Denzel, yeah. He motivating?

Oh yeah, yeah. You get to San Antonio, you got Tommy Lee over there who don't say that, you know. But it's a big difference in the culture as far as what you have access to. Pop controls San Antonio. Like he wouldn't let you do anything that if it wasn't a part of their organization. Like I used to do a clinic, a basketball clinic,

and they were an HEB sponsor, and I had Walmart. He got mad at me because, you know, HEB is our sponsor. I was like, that ain't got shit to do with me. You know, I'm doing this for the kids and this is who my sponsor is. And he literally, they literally got mad at me because I'm like, well, if you wanna donate $50,000 to my charity, let's go and let's do it.

And then they were like, no, go ahead and do your thing. And so he has so much control of that town and the players were just like very disciplined. You think about it, the culture, we always talk about culture in sports. You got pop, military, you got, bless you, you got David Robinson, who's military. Those were the two Cs that really started that franchise.

You kind of come military. Yeah, yeah, and you get these guys and Tim Duncan is just, you know, he's a product of his environment. He's very disciplined. He doesn't want to do much. You know, if it ain't about video games, cars or poker, he don't want nothing to do with it.

I think basketball is probably fourth on that list. So he's just that type of individual where he's just gonna lock in and do this. And Manu was like that. Tony was the only one that was kind of like a wild child. Tony? Cause when he started dating Eva, it was like, hold on, we don't want the spotlight on us.

And now you're dating Eva Longoria, that's more of a spotlight. And Pop was like, he didn't really like it was like, hold on, we don't want the spotlight on us. And now you're dating Eva Longoria, that's more of a spotlight. And Pop was like, ah, he didn't really like it too much, but you know, you can't get in the way of love. And then you got Bruce, who was that type of guy. It was the culture. It was who he brought in. It's how he wanted it. And he controlled the narrative so

much. That's why the teams were so good, because he put his stamp on the team. As far as Phil, Phil was like, hey, we're going to run the triangle the triangle we're gonna do it this way we can be disciplined enough to run the system like it's supposed to and only do yoga yeah we're gonna talk our feelings yeah but there's no difference in you know when you get to the great coaches yeah they're all very structured and you believe in them and you believe in their system, so you kind of do what you need to do. And if you get a wild child, you kind of next thing you know, they're kind of either out the door or they're at the end of the bench.

I mean, that's so similar to what I lived in. Because if you think about it, we were in Foxboro, which is – it's a town. You have Boston, you have Providence, but most of the guys – everyone lived in Foxboro or Plainville, which is, it's a town. Yeah. You know, you have Boston, you have Providence, but, like, most of the guys, I didn't, everyone lived in Foxborough or, like, Plainville, which is right there. It's very small town-y, and, you know, I just wonder if, like, Pop and Belichick, like, they sound eerily similar.

They probably are. I wonder if they talk. You know, they probably do. They kind of look alike sometimes, you know? Messed up hair, don't give a shit how they look, just dress whatever. I think the best thing for Pop was the fact that we got – that the coaches now don't have to wear suits. Because that's just the San Antonio culture, you know.

They never wanted to wear suits. They just wanted to, you know, do their job and go home. I hate the quarter zipification, man. I hate the quarter zips. We got to get back to suits. I'm looking. I'm doing deep dives on Alabama basketball. I'm seeing Wim Sanderson wearing the sickest plaid sport coat of all time,

and now I got quarter zip universe over here. Yeah. Right, look. You got to think about it, man. I'll tell you right now, for a coach on that hardwood with them dress shoes in a suit, man, for two hours. What is it? Two hours, two and a half hours for a basketball game?

I mean, some of the sorest I've ever been is when I – preseason games and you just stand in some shitty shoes or some cleats because you're not playing. And you stand for three hours. I'll tip my hat to coaches in the fucking dress shoes. I love the side he's just coming. That's why most coaches that are smart, you know, they sit down. They just sit there. You see now all these coaches want to stay on the sideline. Young. I'm like, that's why most coaches that are smart, you know, they sit down. Yeah. They just sit there.

You see now all these coaches want to stay on the sideline. Young. Like why are you staying on the sideline? Let's go sit down. You in the damn way. Young, young coach. Yeah.

Are the pop dinners as legendary as people say they are? If it's Noki, lobster, Noki and wine. He loves his wine. He loves his Noki. And those dinners were, we would go to those dinners

and i'm like nokia again man dude everybody doesn't like what you like and so i was always make friends with whoever the chef hey man can you bring me a uh bring me a kettle one tonic bring me a something you know and then bring me a bring me a steak and i will always try to find a way around what he wanted you know so he got to a point where he was like, just order what you want guys, it's on me. And don't ever do that. I was like, yo man, maybe some of that Louie out here. Now he did that just to build the team?

He was trying to build. He just loved doing it. Because it's team building, but I think to me it was more so to keep us together. And I was like, you got a team, you gotta worry about keeping us together. Now if it was the so to keep us together yeah and I'm like you got a team you got to worry about keeping us together now this was the Lakers we'd be all over the place but this team everybody wanted to do stuff together we wanted to go to movies together we want to go to comedy shows together we just did a lot of stuff together so that's the difference

between the dynasties and Lakers you know they were out and about doing their thing in Tinseltown Hollywood oh Hollywood's good. And then, you know, you're going to comedy shows over in San Antonio. Is that the biggest difference between the dynasties? That's the biggest difference. Because if you really think about it, you think about the dynamics. You had a really good guard in Ginobili and Kobe. You had a really good big in Tim and Shaq.

And then you had really, like, Bruce Bourne's pretty much our Rick Fox. And I was me and me on both teams. So you look at the cultures you have yeah you kind of have mirror images of everybody but they have this was probably better in this aspect and vice versa but I just think when you look at this era of basketball you always had something centered around a really good big and for me even though everybody now looks at the model that golden state put out there and they're winning all their championships and everybody tries to emulate that now you know back then it was mla you know dream emulate patrick ewan shack tim duncans all these legendary bigs and now it's all about legendary guards and not realizing there's only been one team that's won with legendary guards outside of the Bulls, but they had Scottie Pippen,

who he's a guard, but everybody wants to emulate Golden State Warriors. I'm like, it only happened because you got the two best shooters of all time on one team. And if you have that, you can do it because Milwaukee won it big, Lakers won it big, you know, look at Denver won it big. You gotta have a dominant big to win this game and be,

but every now and then you have a lucky guy like the Golden State Warriors. Hey, I like seeing them do well. I like seeing them, but it's not my squad anymore. But they still have a good big in Draymond Green. Draymond, he's the stir that stirs that thing. He's the straw that stirs the drink. That's what the saying is.

But when it comes to basketball, I think you always have to have someone with a little nasty in them that's not afraid to talk trash, elbow someone in the mouth or something like that because you have to have that to try to intimidate people. Got to. You got to. We got any Kobe stories before we go to our next segment i think for me you know

when you talk about hard workers you know you you hear the stories and you hear what he's doing but and you appreciate everything but the thing he had that nobody ever told me he had a thirst for knowledge that's what i always say yeah he has i mean you can talk about football basketball the piano you know movies music language he had a thirst for everything you know i remember when we were on the plane coming from somewhere and we were playing spades and he's sitting there like this just looking and just looking because he wanted to learn how to play spades i'm like dude i said you're black you're supposed to know how to play spades dude he's like i said see this is what happened when you don't go to college.

You don't have downtime when you have to play spades. He's also an Italian shit. Yeah, exactly. One of the weird lives. And so it was just weird that, you know, I taught him how to play spades. And I'm going to back this thing up. And the first moment I ever met Kobe, I had just got traded to the Lakers. And we had just finished a shoot-around.

And this shoot-around, this dude going like 100 miles per hour. I'm like, dude we just finished a shoot around. And this shoot around, this dude going like 100 miles power. I'm like, dude, this is a shoot around, calm down. I gotta get better. I said, you not gonna get better when we're walking and you're running. So after practice, he comes over, I'm thought he's gonna, you know, just wanted to get to know me.

He was like, so how was Dream? He wanted to know how Dream was, how Dream footwork was, what kind of work he put in. And then he wanted to know about Vernon's defense because, you know, Vernon was one of the ones that was known to guard Michael Jordan the best. He just wanted to know. He's just picking my brain about everybody I play with because he's like, you're a champion.

Tell me how it was. I'm like sitting there. And we literally sat out the practice for like 45 minutes, you know, just talking about my two championships with the Rockets and how it was and how we won and all that kind of stuff. He was just amazed at learning Dream's footwork. I mean, that is such a perfect way. I didn't know him, but he came and spoke to our team. And we used to have guys all the time come in, speak in the offseason,

come speak to the team. And that's exactly what I what i what i think about when i think of kobe bryant knowledge thirsty yes he and and how diversified his interests were yes and the killer instinct that he had those are the three things because he was asking you know we broke up into some groups and you know a couple of us sat with them and talked. And he was asking us just as many questions as we were asking him. You know what I mean? Because he loved winning.

Yes. He just wanted to win. He wanted to do anything it took, just from the two hours that I got to spend around him. Yeah. And I think his intensity was too intense for a lot of people, especially in the basketball world. Because if you go back, there's a lot of people that didn't like him because they didn't understand him. He had that philosophy that most people from the 90s had. Like, I don't want to be your friend.

I'm not trying to go hang out with you. I'm trying to kick your butt. And that's the one thing that I appreciate about what Giannis said. Now, he says, I'm not trying to be anybody's friend. You can come play with me, and then I'll be your friend. But other than that, I don't want to be your friend because if I got to punch you in the mouth, I got to punch you in the mouth. And that's the that's the attitude you got to have. And I don't know how it is with you guys.

Like I couldn't do what you guys at the end of the game. You go out there and you shake hands with everybody. I can't do that shit unless I play with him in college. I ain't doing that. It's definitely changed. And Brady went on record a couple of days ago saying that, you know, how it's changed like that. I remember I hated the New York Jets when I first got there.

I remember Bart Scott getting in my fucking offensive coordinator, Billy O'Brien's face and saying, fuck you, white boy. Literally this close. I'm sitting there, Billy O's motherfucking him. I was like, these people, we really hate this team. That was my introduction to like hating someone and uh just a lot of messes that you know but that was that's competition yeah you know and speaking of messes let's segue to how we clean up messes uh-oh we have the bounty wingman question of the day because when you have a mess you know how to clean up the mess with a bounty

paper towel can you bring them in here sam so we have this wingman question oh love segment these aren't one of those wings that are so hot will you don't do that here take one of these thank you sir clean and it's time for the bounty wingman question. Bounty is everyone's favorite wingman because you can't have football without wings and you can't have wings without bounty. We got the wings. Let's try these wings. We got the blue cheese for you. Did you make these yourself?

That's yours, huh? Did you make these yourself? So my question for you is, who is someone from your career you consider your wingman? Someone you knew that when they were on the court or even without them, you could always be, like, you knew where they're at. Who's your wingman? From the Rockets, I had really two wingmen. It was Sam Cassell because we were, you know, same age, came to the league at the same time. But when I know if I'm getting ready to get into a fight

or some pushing and shoving is going to be there, Vernon Maxwell right there behind you. Yeah. Probably take over the fight for you. Yeah. You got to always got that you bring into the alley. Yeah. And then when I got to the Lakers, it was more so Rick Fox.

Rick Fox was my wingman. Rick? Yeah. Is he not too pretty to be a wingman? No, Rick is feisty, man. You forget him. I know, but you're a wingman supposed to... And then you got to think about if you're going out in town, who better to have a pretty boy

with you, man? I guess. You get the attention. And the crazy part is his ex-wife, my ex-wife, when we were married, our best friends now still today because he and I were wingmen. Yeah, so and then I get to Spurs, it was Bruce Boyd. You know, we sat next to each other on the plane, you know, same age kind of. So we just kind of hung out.

So those are my wingmen. It's different when you have three different teams, you know. For me, you always kind of gravitate towards people who have the same work ethic as you who come from similar backgrounds. Without a doubt. I wouldn't say that because some of my wingmen, we didn't have the same backgrounds, but we definitely had the same values.

Matthew Slater. I had different kind of wingmans. You have wingman for if you need some holiness or some loving up or you need something to feel good. That was Matthew Slater. If I'm going out for a little mischief, if I'm going to have a little crazy night, my wingman's Danny Amendola.

And if I need some production and I need that rock, my wingman is Brady. I got to go with Brady. Bounty and wings, my favorite duo. And that was the bounty wingman question What a delicious Delicious wing And even cleaner

Face Because of bounty It gets in your beard right So when you and Danny ever went out Did it ever get y'all confused No that's pretty racist dude It's a hype thing man It's a hype thing Is y'all confused? No, that's pretty racist, dude. It's a hype thing, man. It's a hype thing.

No, honestly, it happens all the time. And I say the same thing. Oh, you fucking racist, dude. Just two small white guys. It's funny because it'll either be, you know, they mix you up with Welker, Amendola, or me. But think about it. The three of y'all together was just great.

We all didn't. I know you didn't play together, but I'm just saying y'all, just the things y'all were able to do is just prove, like, will and greatness to me and the precision y'all used to do it. And the way that y'all used to just, you know, put your bodies on the line was like, I'm like, I can do that shit. You could.

If it was your field. If mom would have let you play football, you would have done it. Man, I got too much area to hit, man. No, I ain't doing that. We all seen Antonio Gates. Basketball guys, man, they can go out there and make a ball. But the funny thing is, you said Sam Cassell. You know Sammy's my boy.

Is he? Yeah. I didn't know that. Meandola one day because sam we got we linked up one time we brought him out over to the bungalow over in uh santa monica he was coaching i think and we had a crazy day at the bungalow and we've stayed in contact ever since but he's he's a because he now he's in boston he's in boston yeah he just hit me up but sam's a man sam yeah he's a good dude yeah he we lived across the street from each other when we first got to the rockets we was dry to practice together we used to complain about rudy t not running no plays for us together we did a lot of have a guy to complain with yeah

exactly that was my matthew slater were you sitting there like fuck these coaches jackie set up the stage of this game all right leading it up as we mentioned earlier before this game this is game five we're tied two two we stressed on the importance of a game five in these kind of series 17 of the last 23 winners of game five go on to win the series. That is true in this instance as well. Each game leading up to Game 5 was decided by double digits, which was kind of a surprise given this was a battle of two defensive-minded teams, two top five defenses, pretty evenly matched. That's the day where defense wins championships, offense sells tickets. Amen, which was surprising that all these games were double digits.

So people were kind of waiting for that one game, turned out to be game five, where it was going to be neck and neck over time, down to the wire. The game before this, game four, was a 31, ugly 102-71 loss for the Spurs. Pop called it the worst half of basketball he's seen an NBA playoff team play. So I can only imagine how that went after that game, Robert. You know, it was weird after that game,

Pop was like, you know, he came in, he says, we just got a ass kick, you know, forget about it. Let's prepare for tomorrow, go get some rest. And we gonna go on to the next one. It's like, and as a player, when you get your ass kicked, you know you got, and the coach can come in and say, cause you already pissed, especially in a situation like this, game four, you should have won this game,

you know, you thought you should have won the game, but you just got an ass kicked, so you know what? Wash it, and the worst thing to ever do to someone is beat them like that. Because the next game, you know, you're going to be really pissed off. So it's that added motivation. And this was tough because, as Robert was saying earlier, this was back in the days of 2-3-2.

So you just get your ass kicked there. You're hoping to go home. These days, you go back to your place, you win game five. But we're still in Auburn Hills here. So this was a tough turnaround before game five. Also noted that the series prior to this went seven games. So Detroit was kind of coming off a short rest. They only had two days, two days rest before the series started. So some say maybe that's why they dropped the first two, but I mean, quick rest, they got right back into it. This was also the first meeting of two NBA prior champions since 87 Celtics

Lakers in this matchup, but yeah, getting into, this is all kind of leading up to game five, man. So you, I just want to know what's the mindset going into finals for your team going into this? Cause you're, you're playing the champs from the year before, but you guys were kind of, I mean, you're a champ you've been champing all all your career but you guys were kind of in that process of becoming a team that had that dynasty you know what i mean yeah so like how do you what's the mindset going into it as a team and then individually for you someone who's played in every other year is in a fucking championship so So what made, you know, what were the mindsets? The mindset is to clear your mind of all the outside noise.

And what I mean by that is not thinking about tickets, not thinking about, you know, your parents, your wife, your kids, because you can get off track. I know that sounds weird. You know, you think about your kids, but you just say, you know, when you have a partner that's really good, dude, like, I got you. This is the most important time in your career.

I got everything. If anything pops up that I think you need to be involved in, I'll let you know. But you clear your mind. So your only focus is basketball. And that's the one thing about what Popper's really good about. He was good at showing you not to do this, not do that, block out this, block out that. So the only thing you need to do is bounce. And I kind of already knew that though

before coming into this situation. I learned that dealing with the Rockets and the Lakers and five championships before this one. And so you learn how to block out the noise. And my whole thing was, I used to always take a moment and just kind of meditate and do visualization. That was my key where I'd envision the my key where I envisioned the ball going in, envision the ball going in,

locking this up, playing this role defensively, thinking about what my opponent has to do and going over their plays. And these were all things that I would do personally. And then you know that, and I would tell like Tim, like, dude, I'd be in his ear like, you know Rasheed kicks your ass like dude i'd be in his ear like you know rashid kicks your

ass man you know little motivating things like that and i would go to genova yo man just play wild and fierce but under control and you look at me like what i say play wild and fierce but under control when i say under control means if it's not 100 sure you can get that pass to a guy don't throw it it's like okay i got you and you you. And some of the guys you would talk to, Tony, Tony just played under control. I love Tony. He didn't really have to say much to him. So it was all these things that went in, the game within the game,

that we had to do to prepare. But it was a hell of a series. People don't realize that, the distractions that come with going into a championship series for you guys, for a game for us. That was the thing, you know, like as soon as you made to the Superbowl, we'd have that week off and you go into, you know, you had to deal with tickets, getting the hotels for your family,

friends, getting all that situated in the first two days. So you could literally do everything you could to win the game. Because this is one thing belichick used to tell us he goes you know if you want to go out and have fun with your family this that you know and you lose the game it ain't gonna be a good memory yeah you know i mean you do all this it's it's for your the festivities are for your family. You go out and win, you're going to have the greatest memory of your life. You know what I mean? So put everything that you can control, your blinders on,

do extra of the little things so you can go out and play fast, free, and subconsciously dialed for the game. You know what I mean? And it's crazy to hear you talk about visualization because I used to do that every, every day, you know, with, with, I do these ball drills off the walls to get my eyes right for the day, you know, so for reactions and shit. And I would always, when I was doing it, I was visualizing, you know,

catch, hit, catch, you know what I mean? All those little things. And it's crazy how far that takes an athlete, you know catch hit cat you know what i mean all those little things and it's crazy how far that takes an athlete you know so did it take did it carry over into your dreams though yeah but i had the same dream since i was like 12 i had a coach his name was uh i think it was sione taffo he was an older guy huh was it a soccer coach no football football taffo, he's – Sione, I think he's Pauly. And I remember he was teaching me. I was a little running back. And I remember him telling me about this.

You got to use a stiff arm when you're on the sideline, stiff arm and a spin so the guy overruns it and you can throw him by. And I've had – I had the same dream where i was at santa clara high school playing against oak grove and i did the move and i scored i still have that dream to this day like i don't know why it's crazy i like for me i would literally have that and then my wife my first wife would wake me up and like you're doing it again when i'm literally playing a game and we literally have to get up and change the sheets because I would literally be sweating like I played a game.

It was the weirdest thing ever. And that shows you how powerful the mind is. If you can believe it, achieve it and see it, you can do it. So it was like crazy how like, okay, then I go out another game. Like that's one, when I had those dreams like that, I usually shot the ball really good the next game because my mind just took over.

Yeah. So it's a back-and-forth night. Yeah. All night. Were there any of the big-game adjustments from Pop at halftime or anything? No, the only big-game adjustment was me at halftime because I think I was 0 for 3 or 0 for 4. I sucked in the first half.

Yeah. And I remember sitting in the corner, and I like to always put my locker in the first half. Yeah. And I remember sitting in the corner, and I like to always put my locker in the corner during the playoffs, so no distraction from my teammates with guys listening to their music or talking on the phone. I was literally over there talking to myself,

and I could see Bruce Boren kind of look at me because I was like saying, yo, Rob, you fucking sucked tonight. You supposed to be big shot, Bob. You fucking terrible. I'm telling myself that you gotta get going you know this if y'all don't win this game you might lose

and Bruce is looking at me like this dude going crazy and so I and I rarely do that and then I did that and then the next thing you know I come out in the second half and I just ball out because it's you have to play those mind tricks with yourself sometimes you have to talk yourself into a moment.

And I talk myself, to me, to one of the greatest moments in NBA history as far as dropping 21 with no plays called for you and not being the main cog in the machine. So I just feel like, okay, I did what I needed to do to get me over that hump. Talking yourself into moments, folks. Kids, talk yourself into moments as bruce lee used to say when you say negative things in your mind i don't know the actual quote but i've seen it on instagram you know but it stays there yeah it stays there and it all it all boils down to what rob said

before this game in the presser there are a lot of people talk the talk. We got to go out there and walk the walk. You got to take us. You got to take us, okay? Back and forth, back and forth, but we're here to talk about one thing and one thing. Take us through the last shot, beat by beat. Well, you know, we're sitting there. The play was actually for Manu Ginobili. It wasn't for me.

I was supposed to inbound it to Manu and then set a pick and roll for him so he can get to the rat and so i'm seeing him come off the pick from tim and i was like okay the only pass i can do is a bounce pass because that's the only way i can get so i bounce back and bounce passes i hate but sometimes you have and when i bounced it rashid kind of looked at it like, oh, he's really close. So he went for the trap. And so I just stepped in and I was on fire. So I wasn't going to try to put it on the floor to create for anyone. So I took the shot. And after I was watching, I didn't realize Tayshaun Prince, one of the best defensive players in the game, he almost blocked the shot. But when you so focused

on your shot, you don't even see him. And then next thing you know, it rattles in and we go up. We go up and we win this game. Man. You know, I was noticing a clip earlier that you had, you show Eminem up there. And I never talk trash. And Eminem was behind the bench and said,

you won't be getting number six tonight, buddy. And I looked at him and so I started talking trash to Eminem because I said, after I hit that first, I said, you in fucking trouble now, dog. They better fucking get me. I said, it's on. He just started smiling, right?

He didn't say much. And then after I did this dunk on rip, I looked at him like, told you, it's fucking over. So it was just one of those things, I never talk trash, but when someone talks trash to me, and it's Eminem, one of the greatest rappers of all time. Go, we all love him. Yeah, and so I had to talk trash back to him, man.

So it was a moment. We gotta rename this game, this the Eminem game. It's the Eminem game. Eminem, thank you for talking shit to Big Shot Bob, because it made him talk himself into a moment. He talked himself into a moment. 21 points in the last 17 minutes. 21 points in the last 17. We also got a who's who of Michigan here tonight.

Chris Webber's in the building. Jalen Rose is in the building. Barry Sanders is in the building. Barry Sanders. Tom Izzo's in the building. Michael Moore's in the building. We got is in the building. Barry Sanders. Tom Izzo is in the building. Michael Moore is in the building. We got Kid Rock. Kid Rock.

Kid Rock. America the Beautiful before the game. Yep. Penny Marshall, the homie, is in the building, just to name a few. How'd you guys become tight, by the way? You know. Oh, Lakers? With the Lakers.

Okay. My seats used to be behind Penny Marshall's seats for the Lakers. And my middle son, he would always come to the court and give me a hug before the games. And then Penny would see the relationship we had. So next thing I know, two games later, I'm looking. He's sitting in Penny's lap eating Krispy Kreme. I'm like, what the hell going on? She's like, I just love your son.

And that's the one thing about, you know, the Lakers season ticket holders that sit on the court. Some of the nicest people you'll ever meet. And if you treat them with respect, they're going to, you know, develop a relationship. I remember this one lady, I cannot remember her name anymore, but I fell on her during a game and i tried to avoid her but it's one of those ones you can't avoid and she was an elderly lady every game i'll go out and ask her

how she's doing actually doing so she i remember like three games before the season she came to me she's like robert come over she's like i said how are you she says yeah she says uh don't you have a sick daughter i'm like yeah she says um do you mind if I get your address and send you something like sure I don't mind so season's over next thing I get this big ass box on my front step I'm like what the heck is this and it was from her apparently her husband was one of the guys who worked for Disney that died in that plane crash way way back and she was a part of this she sent me all this Disney stuff for my kids. I mean, my kids' room was decorated Disney. I gave out Christmas gifts for kids

and neighborhood with Disney for a long time. She just sent me a whole box of stuff, man. It was just, it was just, but I always tell people it's about the relationships that you make with the people. So many guys are arrogant. They're like, they're above the people that come to these games.

I always speak to fans. I try to talk to them when I'm in a good mood. That's what I'm always like. But you just try to form those relationships because you never know who you're talking to. Especially with people that you see so often. I had a couple fans that became real close friends. Susan Reagan, Trish Kennedy. These ladies, they were like our team moms. You know what I mean? became real close friends susan reagan trish kennedy you know these ladies that like they

were they were like our team moms okay you know what i mean they like they always took care of us they were always at every charity event that we were holding you know and just sweet people and and that's the cool thing about sport it's it's it's a community that allows you to learn people that you never thought you'd get to learn yeah like who like i i remember one time i i got a phone call from jack nicholson actually invite me to a party i got a call from selma hyatt did he give you a voicemail or is his voice just sounds so cool he has the coolest voice is he has the coolest voice how did he what do you say hey rob he says i have an event i want to invite you to you come i says I says, yes, I come. All right, see you there.

It was really quick conversation. It was not like it was straight to the point. I'm like, in the back of your mind, I'm like, how the hell you get my number? I knew how Selma Hyatt got my number. And it was just playing in L.A., you get to meet these celebrities who are such fans of yours and vice versa. So I say the Lakers are the best organization to play for not just for the fact that they always win and and they take care of their family but the people you have access to yeah yeah wow you talk to sheet or chauncey oh wow i talked to sheet about it i

talked because she's cool to say i have never i know i never talked to chauncey about it you know i think i think me and chauncey have a rival that he don't know about is because he calls himself Mr. Big Shot. And I'm like, dude, really? You just can't take my name and throw Mr. on the front of me and try to make it yours. You can't. I mean, seriously, how many rings he got?

What he got, what, three, two? What he got? He ain't got as many as me. That's all that counts. Not many. No one alive other than sir russell yeah wow chauncey's only got one i was gonna say a year before yeah chauncey only got one year before yeah he's a great player though yeah i love chauncey chauncey you know doing

big things with portland right now chauncey and i we have the same common really good friend roy rogers uh not the actor, the basketball player. And we both were in his wedding. So yeah, I love Chauncey, but I'm the real Big Shot, not him. And without a doubt. And it doesn't even sound right. Big Shot Chaunce, Big Shot Billups?

Nah, Big Shot Bob. Bob just rolls off the tongue. Exactly. What about Bob? Remember that movie? Yeah. I love it. That's one thing you realize,

that you watch a lot of movies when you travel a lot in the NBA. I think y'all travel like, what, seven times maybe at that? Ten. Like, we traveling all the time. So I used to have just a laundry list of movies. I had my little, I don't remember what they called it, but it had all the movies on it. I just watched movies for days. Even the team used to come to me like,

Rob, what's good to watch? Because I'm just a movie freak yeah yeah we have a lot of downtime at our house you know what i mean so like you're at the facility for 12 13 hours 12 hours i can do that man then you know you get home and there'd be a lot of video game guys a lot of movie guys you know and then you got your guys that are single minglingling. Yeah. I think y'all have to be at a facility with like an eight in the morning. Eight, I'd get there at 5.15. I like to get my routine in before. For what?

I'd have to like do, I'd like get my body right, I'd get a lift in, I'd do my ball drills. I had like a routine of things that made me comfortable to go out and have my best day. I can understand that. I saw the guys before me that were around for a long time that did that. The Troy Browns, the Toms, the Kevin Falks,

the Teddy Brewskis. You watch when you're a young guy and you watch the studs. At least that's what I did. I watched them and I'd sit and they were always doing something to make themselves better you know and you know i didn't have a wife or you know i didn't have i was a mercenary bro i was there for football yeah you know you know pretty much my whole career i had my daughter you know probably my eighth ninth year eighth year but you know like when it was football time, everyone knew that it was football time.

Yeah, that's the thing about, you know, you talk about the two sports that you guys are way more, I think sometimes are way more disciplined when it comes to your craft. Because for us, it's like we have those days when you shoot the ball back. Okay, I got to get there early and get some shots up. Because a typical day for us is you know you

might get there like this is different for the guys like Kobe Kobe will get there eight o'clock practice is at 11 o'clock he gets there like I will get to practice at 10 o'clock practice over one o'clock I'm probably out to do about three o'clock you know it's almost half the time you guys do because you got meetings we hardly ever had meetings you know when everything comes down to you performing once a week for three hours you know you have to make sure you get every kind of thing yeah uh tendency you know film that like you dial and put your eggs all in that one basket you know you can't afford to slip a game yeah you know every game there's only 17 now there were 16 when i was playing you know every game means something which in basketball you guys could go and and you know you guys have a couple off nights in miami or something but you got 86 more uh no the 82 game

season you drop one game you can make it up on a team like that someone's injured or you just like have one of those hot shooting nights so yeah so final score 96 95 they couldn't there was a one one second left they couldn't do anything you go on you get the ship you get your sixth ring how come you guys couldn't go back to back people in san antonio get mad at me for telling this story so i'm gonna tell it so you know that's the year the dallas mavericks won yeah so they so we playing dallas we're up three in game seven we up three we says don't foul if they get a layup, fine, take it out. So Dirk has it. He goes to the hole. Manu fouls him and won. Goes to the free throw line, makes the free throw. We go into overtime.

We lose. And so they go on to win that championship. And if Manu doesn't foul, we win that win that game we win game seven we go on and win that series we go into the final so Bob we should not give him the sit down before the game it was it not because it wasn't a final where you got to play fast hard 100 but if the pass isn't there we said control we literally said do not foul in the huddle. You have a translator? Maybe we needed Spanish.

You know they say Spanish different in Argentina. It's like caje, not caje. Yeah, and then people get mad at me. I'm not blaming Manu Ginobili for that. I'm not blaming him for that. But I'm just saying, if we win that game, we three-peat. I'm sitting here at eight-time championship, brady is still one to go to catch me come on tommy tommy you gotta come on you gotta come back yeah now what's your best championship parade story is it from here is it

from la is it, where is it? Houston. I would have to say Houston. And the only reason I'm going to say Houston is because we went back to back. I ain't going to lie. I got so hammered that night after that game. You think about it. We swept Orlando Magic. We went back to back.

A six seed. I'm hammered. I wake up in some girl's apartment it's not it was my buddy's girlfriend i wake up in an apartment i'm like on the floor under a tree i think i'm literally outside and i look at my you know this is before cell phones so i look at my watch it was 11 o'clock the parade starts at 11 o'clock so literally if people look at the parade the second parade it was held up because i didn't make it there on time you talk about not being on time but i had to go home shower explain to my fiance what happened and she looking at me cross-eyed and she was like

and then we went to the parade and i got it was i was so hung over on the prayer i'm like this on the fire truck waving at people. I was just, that's a memorable, the LA one was nice too though, to see all the fans come out for LA and see Mark Madsen dance. It was bananas for that because I grew up a Lakers fan. And to be able to finally bring a championship

to the Lakers after having great years in the form, having four all-stars, getting swept by all the drama that we had and then being a new build in the state percent and bring that championship back to la it was an amazing feeling you know there are two different you know reasons why you love certain things and when you win championship you know on multiple teams there's always a factor for everything but the san antonio ones was i hate to say it was kind of boring because we just went around the river walk you you know what I mean? And the people, the fans, the San Antonio fans

are bananas and freaks, but I want to be able to know, you know, look not up at fans, look down at fans, not, I don't mean it in a bad way, because you can throw them shirts and stuff like that, and you have, it's a better interaction. You know, in San Antonio, you're in the middle of the Riverwalk, and the people up here, and they can't throw bees and confetti on you

because you can't pollute the Riverwalk. So that's what I mean by that. I have to be careful what I say because people in San Antonio always feel like I'm just bashing them when I'm not. I mean, it's probably a little different. My parade moments are going down Boylston on a duck boat, almost getting hit in the head with a beer, catching a couple, chugging them, throwing them.

It's so crazy, the parades. I used to treat them like Ferris Bueller Day Off. I was on top of the fucking floats. Did you have your shirt off? A couple times, I think. It was like 20 degrees. You know, that's the thing. Now, every parade now, every athlete has to take their shirt off

and show off their body like, look at me. I got a six-pack, eight-pack. I'm ripped. No, I didn't have my shirt on. I was in a T-shirt. Definitely shouldn't have been T-shirt weather. Yeah. Well, let's get into this.

Where does Pop rank among greatest coaches of all time is it pop or is it coach jackson you know what is different they're they're they're different but the same um the fact that you know phil wasn't a yeller he wouldn't yell at you uh pop will yell at you and that's the difference in it but they all emphasize defense and you know doing your job you know be responsible you no more than be responsible for the team and I think those are the two things that that that you can compare them with and they had a control of the team and they had a respect from the team because once you coach great players that guys view as great ones and you win a championship with those great ones, you gonna get the ultimate respect for us.

And for me though, it's like, I look at them and everybody wants you to always pick one. I says, why do I have to pick just one? You know what I mean? I love both of them, but it's weird though. I never had a relationship with either one of those guys though. I had a relationship with Rudy T when I played with the Rocks

but neither one of those guys, i that was more so on my end because i had such a great relationship with rudy t and when they traded me to phoenix i felt like that was a stab in the back yeah so i never wanted to have a relationship with coaches anymore i went from personal slash business to just straight business yeah it's hard people don't realize that. Yeah. And that's why some coaches, you could say, are like that with certain players, you know, straight business because they know there's going to be a time where feelings get involved.

And for me, you know it's a business from day one because you're getting paid for it. And you should like, you know, people get their feelings involved. And I had to say, all right, on the flip end of this, what would you do if this was your business and you had an employee who wasn't living up to your expectations? Would you keep him around just because you love him? Or would you put him out to pasture?

And that's just how, you know, sports is. You got to understand, it's a business. You're going to make money. The reason these guys own these teams, these billionaires, is because they're no-nonsense type of guys, and so you've got to take it like that. It is a production business. What's more impressive, winning seven rings with one team

or seven rings with three teams? I'll be honest. I think if you can win seven rings with one team in this era, it's impressive. Yeah. Because you got to think about the turnover and the other teams trying to build their team to beat you. There's so many teams that you say, okay, I'm going to have this guy just for Shaq. So I need another foul.

I had a foul. Because you look at the way the Sacramento Kings were built. Yeah. They had like two guys that sat on the bench, didn't play all year until they played the Lakers, the beat up Shaq. And you got, and these teams do that because it's a reality. Like when you sit down, like right now in the NBA,

everybody's like, we need to find a way to beat Jokic. That's what every team is saying because he's such a dominant player on the offensive end, you know, the defensive end, we need to beat Jokic. You know, before it was how to beat Curry, but now it's how to beat Jokic because he's on top of the ground, on top of the hill. So that's what every team does.

They try to figure out how to beat you. And for you to win that many championships in a row, that means everything everybody threw at you, you was able to dodge it and get to your mountaintop. So I say seven, but don't get me wrong. Seven championships in general is hard to win. Yeah, so with the constant turnover of teams now and the parity in the league and new guys coming,

is anyone ever going to get seven rings again? You know, I don't believe so. I thought it would be LeBron, but I don't think it's going to be LeBron. I hope so because that means the Lakers win championships. That means I get another ring because I'm part of the Lakers staff. And if you look at Steph, unless he goes to another team, and I don't think he will because of the loyalty factor there,

I don't see it. And there's nobody else that's even close to that. I think LeBron and Steph are the only ones that have four rings. That means they got to win in three more years. Essentially Wemby? They ain't going to make the playoffs. What's your thoughts on Wemby? I think he's an incredible player. He's young.

He's young, but my rookie of the year is Chet. Chet Holmgren because he's basically what Wimby was last year as far as physicality. He was that skinny. But because he got hurt, he was able to get in the weight room, put some weight on, and start understanding the NBA game. So I think in about three to four years, he's going to be a beast to continue with because he's so skilled. He's able to block shots from 40 feet away. So it's just going to be amazing what he's able to do once he gets a little

weight and a little bit more NBA knowledge. Yeah. I mean, I've only watched him a couple times, and you can definitely see, you know, the Euro game and the finesse. And, you know, he can make Euro game and the finesse. He can make every shot and do all that. But I was watching, I don't know who it was, but there was some dude about seven inches smaller than him,

manhandling him. Darren Fox. I know exactly what you're talking about. Darren Fox pushed him so far out of the box, and then he traveled on top of that instead of just putting the ball up and turning around looking at him but he'll learn that we gotta all remember the kid's 19 he's 18 he's a fucking little boy

he can't even buy beer yet I bet you he might get 3 more inches it's so weird just think about it he can still grow and he can get stronger I just hope he stays healthy that's the thing when you start getting big human bodies aren't supposed to be doing that Stronger. I just hope he stays healthy. That's the thing with when you start getting big. Yeah. Human bodies aren't supposed to be doing that.

Especially with shoes and stuff, the feet. The feet for the big guys always scare me. Yeah. Because you guys are on that hard surface, and I had a lot of foot problems. You had a lot of foot problems? Yeah, I broke both my feet. Wow. Just from over-cutting and cutting so hard.

I was very fortunate. I only had one, I have two injuries to keep me out for a long period of time. I strained my MCL and then I had a virus to attack my heart, which gave me extra beats. So I missed a total of like three weeks for that. And like five weeks for my knee. Jeez. Yeah. And it's, people don't realize how hard

that is to stay that healthy. But it was all from training in the offseason to prepare your body for that grind, man. You got to. You got to. We got to get into scoring the game real quick. Oh, we got a couple quick stat corrections here. Did I miss anything, Jackie? My bad.

You were born March 22nd, 1986. I was born May 22nd, but yeah. May, May, May. Geez, Luis. Hold on. He don't know when he was born. 86 is the year. 86. year 86 football for a long time too many hits to the head oh my god kobe dropped 81 and 06 not 05 on the vernon maxwell incident february 7th 1995 uh rockets blazers at the old memorial coliseum. Vernon went in the crowd and the infamous quote he said, kiss my

ass motherfucker to the sky. He went for him. He ended up getting suspended 10 games. Fined $20,000. The fans sued him for $4.5 million. It was settled out of court so we don't know. We don't know the exact figures there. I didn't even know that the fans sued him.

Yeah, it's a bum move. The part that set Vernon off, Vernon's daughter was stillborn, and so he had a tattoo of her on his arm. And I remember I was sitting at the end of the bench, and I could hear the fans say, who's that bitch on your arm? Oh, my God.

And all I see was Vernon go cross the path of me. I was like, oh, shit. and I went up there to get him so I was like and I hate when like you know like I don't know I want to I wouldn't would love to know what that situation happened how much he got and it was sold out of court did David Stern step in yeah say you know there's a big difference of saying to someone's face and behind the keyboard I stick to behind the keyboard boys these. These guys are getting the gridiron. Jokers are coming up for you. Bro, also in the crowd that night, Jerry Seinfeld and Bill Gates. They were lucky it wasn't them.

Seinfeld? Seinfeld in Portland. He probably has some dope-ass shoes on. He's a sneaker junkie, Low-Kee, if you watch him. He got a bunch of cool sneakers. If you watch his show. Well, he's a Superman, guys. He does love Superman.

Yeah, Superman. Love Superman. Superman was in every episode, somewhere in every episode. Did you know that? I did not. Yeah. Did you know? Yeah.

Jerry loves, he's obsessed with the Mets and Superman. Yeah. I used to be a Mets fan. Really? Yeah. I was a big Gary Carter fan. Yeah. I love the Giants.

But also, I was going to get into, you know, it's cool to like people that have good imaginations and like superheroes. Batman's real. Batman is real. He's the only one that didn't have powers, right? He didn't have no powers. He had a bunch of gadgets and tools. Tony Stark didn't have any powers either.

I like Tony Stark too, though. Yeah. Just his brain. That's his superpower. Any guy that's hella rich with cool toys, that's me. I want that. Let's score this game. What's the name of this game?

The M&M game? Might need to be. M&M pissing off Big Shot Bob? What's a good jingle? I need a good jingle. I think the M&M game sounds pretty good to me. Yeah. The M&M game.

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and then we go and see where it lays on the chart of our games. So I have to be honest is what you're saying. You got to be honest. You got to be honest. You got to be honest. Stakes 0-10. Decimals okay. 1-10. This game had to be a 10, man.

10? Yeah. Because you got to think about it. This is game five. One of the pivotal games. You know, you one win away from winning a championship. I mean, we did see game five. What's the stat, Jackie?

17 out of the last 23 win it It's very important In the 7 game series Kyler why were you shaking your head on the 10? Kyler's more game 7 is what deserves a 10 If you look at the numbers I think I only played in like what 1 game 7 in the finals? 2 game 7 in the finals

None in this playoff The Knicks played I'm talking about NBA Finals The Knicks we went game 7 and this one wentals. The Knicks, we went game seven. And this one went game seven. Because with the Lakers, we never went game seven. We swept Orlando Magic. And then we swept the Nets.

We lost one game against the Phillies. We won game six against the Pacers. Yeah, I've only been to game seven. And then we swept the Cleveland Cavaliers in 2007 so I've been part of 3 sweeps in the finals he gets 10 I give it a 10

so that's why I hardly ever make it to game 7 that's why I give this a 10 you got 7 it goes a long way should I go 9.9 to make it better let's go 9.9 9.9 I've been pressured into it pure pressure star power i mean we went over the stars teams crowd everything well you got to understand like that

star power is michigan star power and for me it didn't mean the mean crap that those guys only star power me was eminem. You know, maybe Barry. I love Barry. Love Barry. And so everybody else is a Izzo from Michigan State. Who really cares about that? Yeah, it's college. It's for the boys. So I'm going to say this star power is like a six.

Six? No, yeah, five. I'm going to drop it down to a five. Five. Because you got to realize a regular season game in a Laker uniform, we have all of that. A Michigan A-lister is like an LAC-lister. I mean, Eminem was at the top of the crowd right here.

It's true. We'll give it to him. He had his shirt off in the crowd, I saw. He was doing the Petey Pablo, twisting around his head. He was wild. You know Petey Pablo? Oh, I'm from North Carolina, man. Okay.

North Calcalaque, all right. He is revered in North Carolina. What's the game play one to ten? Game play. Game shot. You know, we're in overtime, so I'm going to have to give this a ten because it was overtime. It was, you know, on the court, their court, you know,

and then you had some guy by the name of Big Shot Bob, you know, just lit the ass up. So I had to give this one a ten. The real Big Shot. And he had to manifest it. He had to talk himself into a moment because of Eminem. The name of the game is the Eminem game. What is zero to 10?

What is the score? I got to get at an eight. I'm going to get at an eight. Eight. Eight straight. Yeah, eight straight. The Eminem game, you know, it would have been better if you knew it was Big Shot Bob's Bombers, you know, something like that.

We could change it. We could change it. I'm just kidding. You might be giving too much to him. No, no. I mean, great Mrs. M have right now. I love Eminem. I love Eminem.

I mean, great Mrs. M have. You probably got like 15. Eminem is one of the greatest rappers, man. 8-2. Where does it go onto the board these are all the games we've done so rank number one okay number two that's because we had mark cuban in here and he screwed up our whole system he gave everything a ten and rob and rob yeah rob wriggle just gave everything straight tens i I remember 1999 Women's World Cup final.

Okay, yeah. So this one's right between. The Bush push. This one's right between that 1985 AFC Championship game and the can't wait game with Bart Scott there and Rich Eisen. Can't wait. So you had Gil with Arenas in here? We had Gil in here.

Yeah. Gil hates me. Really? Does he? No, we have a like, it's a little fun little ride because, you know, every show he likes to act. So would you rather have 300 million playing or would you rather have seven rings and only made, I think it's a, I'm going to say 40 million.

And I was like, wow, you know, you want to put me out there. I said, I'd rather have seven championships. No, I'd rather have the money. And so many people, you know, especially Jack, Captain Jack says, you're a loser because you don't wanna win, you just care about the money. And just the other day he had Rasheed on his show and Rasheed was like, I'll take the rings. And he's shocked when people say they take the rings

because it's what you value more. Do you value winning or do you value money more? You know what I mean? So here's my question to you. Would you rather have seven championships and make 40 million or have no championships with 300 million and be honest 100 seven because what people don't realize if you give yourself to the game and you win everything for winning that 40 million is going to turn way over to 300 million because of the the longevity you'll always have for being a champion

yes you know what i mean like you what are you gonna celebrate when you have 100 mil or 300 mil yeah you got you know you got seven rings and things yes it goes i always like you know you get so many people say all the time with me yeah so many people say oh i take the 300 million and say i can buy the many rings i want. Yeah, you can buy the rings, but it's not from your hard work and your sacrifice. You know what I mean? Your dedication to the game and getting to the upper echelon, the apex of the mountain where only a few sit. There's only like three guys that sit in that apex.

Rob, we miss anything from the game i don't from the game um other than that we went on went home and played game six and lost to them and then we won game seven and won a championship and um i think i i think i started a trend then because when we won it you know my whole thing was i've always out every game i always grab the basketball so i grab the basketball and if you look at the picture it's me and my son sitting there so now everybody brings their sons out you know they do the press conference with their son like i feel like i was one of the guys that's that started that because i brought my son to court and you know i did everything with him and i was just trying because i knew my career was about to come to an end, but I wanted to share that moment with my kids.

And from that and just so many other things that go on there from, you know, me being the originator of small ball, you know, back when I was with Houston and then just, you know, now he's transcended to what the game is today. And there's just so many things like that that I think about, even though I might not ever make the hall of fame but i was a trendsetter yeah yeah well you're in you're in our hall of fame and you should be in the hall of fame i mean there's got to be a reason you you don't just go on teams and win championships for no reason there's a chemical makeup there's something that's been touched by god yeah that

allows people to do that i mean i i've never seen anything like that i actually kind of hated you for a second because i jumped off that uh warriors bandwagon for a while and went over to the kings and i you know a lot of divas c-web we had you know everyone bib and you put us down too. Well, you know, the thing that people don't understand. We were winning that series. Yeah, maybe. You know, the thing that people don't understand what comes along with the game. Now you're going to go down this path.

I'm going to tell you something. You know, everybody says that ref, they want to blame the guy who got, you know, arrested and put in jail. If you go back and look at game six, they made up for that. Nobody talks about game six where they got all the calls. They got a couple calls where they stepped out of bounds clearly, they got a couple calls where they shot the ball after the shot clock, they got that call.

But nobody ever talks about what happened. You know what happened in game seven? Pager doesn't play in game seven, you remember that? There's no freaking way way if you win this game you know you win the nba championship he turned his ankle and did not play in that series in this game seven and from getting to know you just now there's no way in hell that she wouldn't be out there on that court you at least test it out you see if your ankle could go right i'm going he didn't even test it out so now they had to to start Hadayat, and we win that series.

So with nobody, they want to talk about, you know, the game five, you know, the cheating and this and that. It was like, at the end of the day, you still up. You still have a chance to win. You have two more games to win that series, and you don't. Don't blame it all on one game because there's no telling. If you go up 3-1, there's no guarantee you win that game. You forgot who we had, the best duo in basketball, Shaq and Kobe.

And you. Yeah. Big shot, Bob. Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. Everybody's like, oh, we could have won. There's no guarantee you win that game. No.

You know? No. Man, you got to plug anything? You know, I just, you know, for me, I'm doing my podcast. I did the Big Shot Bob podcast with a couple of my Rob Jenners and Brandon. You know, we just sit around, we just have fun. We like to have fun. When am I coming on?

Whenever you have the time, man. Time and place. Just, I set it up. Time and place, folks. I set it up with your peoples, man. You know, we usually, you know, we do it out of the home. So you can be in your bathrobe or you can be on the toilet, whatever you wanna do.

We do it at the comfort of your own home. But I like this setup. I like to come and be nosy and see what kind of ideas I can steal. Like the Bruce Willis, you know. Maybe it's a chopper. And that, you know, and off the court, I'm working with this company called ShareCo,

which is kind of fun. It's about trying to help people save money. It's company save money where we come in and we do it. We analyze your company and we talk to human resources and we make the insurance for each individual in that company better for the people. You know, it's weird how, you know, there's a blanket slate when it comes to insurance,

when a company comes to, oh, you just gonna get A, B and C, but it might not work for you and it might not work for him or her over there. And we come in and we we analyze it and we we we adjust it so it works specifically for your needs and so that's what i'm doing now which is kind of fun i love going into companies and trying to get them to you know come join our company let us do it let's talk to your hr and let us you know save you a million dollars like we save a couple companies like three million dollars and so and this is all due to me being a part of this company all due to me being a seven-time nba champion 100 so now this

is how i'm making that 300 million up i mean you you know what it takes to win and when you deal with companies and corporations that are all thirsty to win and they want to know what the x factor is you bring in yeah an x factor big shot bob they want to know what the X factor is, you bring in an X factor. Big shot, Bob. They want to know how the winning attitude, the winning mentality. And to me, there's something that can't be explained. Yeah, you scored a lot of points. Yeah, you did this, but did you win?

What did you bring to the team other than your points? And did you bring the right attitude? Did you bring the right work ethic? bring the right the right work ethic did you inspire others in other way did you know how to you know what was what's what michael jordan would say uh take things personal you know and turn that into dubs that's what it's all about you know who won today who games of names for having you on here once again big shot bob thanks for coming on man my pleasure brother thank you for inviting me anytime boy i could have sat and talked to him for hours big shot bob what a guy military time here early early pop stories tech fleece on took his shoes off the

minute he entered the house i know respectful i thought i felt obligated to take my shoes off the minute he entered the house. I know. Respectful. I felt obligated to take my shoes off in my own house. I did too. Can I just bring something up real quick? Ten minutes before a shoot is not that early. How many athletes have you worked with, and how many athletes have ever been ten minutes early to a tee? It's facts. It's facts.

A man that played under Greg Popovich. Pop. Pop. Military fam. Bama loves football. Bama, baby. Yeah, he was so cool, and it was cool to get his perspective from both Pop and Jackson. And a lot of that Pop stuff sounded Belichicky.

Oh, my God. Like, I know you got the Air Force with Pop. You got Navy with Bill. But, like, the brain trust and just the nods and saying. But instead of, of like wine time my comparison would be like seeing him we're at the trail mix station at the fucking cafeteria bill was a trail mix guy dude he put his hands in in the communal pot bro coach bro coach what the fuck dude there's the scoopers they literally have the scoopers i feel like we've talked about

this before i want of these episodes. I don't know that we have, dude. Imagine, what if he did that at the Whole Foods? If he did it at the Whole Foods nut station. He definitely does it at the Whole Foods. Scoopers. Bill ain't going to Whole Foods. Bill ain't going to Whole Foods.

I know. Bill ain't going to the Whole Foods. Man, that was a fun episode. And I can't wait to see him just continue. Insurance, right? It's awesome. Yeah, he's got a whole – man, he was blowing my mind. That went way over my head.

We're going to get together again. We'll do it again. We'll link up. Got to get Big Shot Bob on. We got a quick little post-show segment. I'm going to put you through the gauntlet again. You ready? Oh, snap.

Post-show segment. It's only right that we talk clutch guys if we had robert orion so we're gonna go through the world of mount clutchmore the best clutch guys might be a couple wrinkles in here heads up and we'll do a little word association first thing that comes to mind when you hear these guys and i can't just be clutch man i hate these i'm sorry you'd be in the torture chamber baby i'll put you in the torture chamber, baby. I'll put you in the torture chamber. You ready? There it is. Michael Jordan. Go.

Tom Brady. Go. Derek Jeter. Clutch. David Ortiz. Boppy. Joe Montana. Smooth.

James Harden. Eurostep thing. Tiger Woods. Masters. Adam Vinatieri. Adam Vinatieri? He's like Jack now. Bobby Orr.

Fearless. Dan Marino. Great thrower. Big Shot Bob. Bobby Orr. Fearless. Dan Marino. Great thrower. Big shot Bob. Big shot Bob. Jim Kelly. Wide right. Kirk Gibson.

Olay. Brandi Chastain. Stud. That's it, baby. You like how I threw those wrinkles in there of some not-so-clutch guys? Now, who's not-so-clutch? I mean,

Dan Marino, Jimmy Harden. Is he not clutch? Jim Kelly. I mean, they didn't win the big game. They don't have the the rep i don't think you put their face up there on the mountain but i mean they had a hell of a career has made i mean he's he's calling shots with it seems like mr ross over there i see him in the hard knocks he's in the locker room every time like it's like daddy dan in there i mean i don't know but i feel like that i feel like you passed

that with flying colors i i did three goats in a row i could have just said goat this is they were that that worked for all three of those i thought you can say gift basket for jeter though that was a that was a good one that was a good one well what an episode thanks again to robert ory big shot bob that's been another episode of games with names presented by win bet. Remember to follow games with names on YouTube, Instagram, X, Tik TOK and Snapchat.

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