Games with Names - The Double Pass with Josh McDaniels | 2014 AFC Divisional Round Ravens vs. Patriots

Episode Date: September 3, 2024

Josh McDaniels is in studio! From Nuthouse East, the former Head Coach and Offensive Coordinator is with us to breakdown one of the wildest wins in Patriots playoff history: the 2014 AFC Divisional round game between the Baltimore Ravens and the New England Patriots aka "The Double Pass." Josh joins us in studio (0:33). We go back to January of 2015 (27:20). We get into these teams (1:08:19). We get into the game (1:28:20). We score it (2:00:45). Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack and Kyler. And we're on the quest to find the greatest game of all time. On today's episode, we are covering the infamous 2014 AFC Divisional Round game between the Patriots and the Ravens, a.k.a. the double pass game. We've already done it.

This will be our second time doing it. With who? Josh McDaniels, the guy behind the formations and the double pass, six-time Super Bowl champion, former head coach, our first head coach. And we're talking what it takes for young QBs to succeed in the National Football League. Always talk about it. They have a bucket. You guys all had a bucket.

And yours was a big bucket at the end. Like, you could handle whatever we gave you. Well, when you take a young quarterback, it's more like a cup. Colin plays in two of the greatest comebacks of all time. When I'm going over emotion, what's going through your mind? It's not man. And then when I saw the guy start to creep in and he was gonna blitz i'm like we couldn't have drawn up like them playing a better defense for the play and what the hell is in that water at john carroll university for all these goddamn coaches back at john carroll did casario

come in and he when chaplinsky and I got there, Casario was a red shirt, freshman, red shirt, freshman. He's like the only guy in the history of division three football, the red shirt. And we wrap it up by creating our swaggiest coaching fit of all time.

Can't wait to read about this in the comment section. You got to stick around to the very end. Let's go. Games and Names is a production of iHeartRadio. January 10, 2015, Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, Massachusetts. Jules, you need any lead up if we call the double pass? Nope. Guess it's just time to dust off the old throne.

This is the double pass game. Josh version. You guys are funny. Oh, man. You know who I played pickleball with last night? Who? Gronk's brother. Which one?

The Gordy? Gordy, yeah. He's pretty good? Dude. He is pretty good? Dude. He is like, it was hysterical. First of all, he looks like an Olympic volleyball player. Oh, yeah. He's tall as shit.

And I'm like, and I was like, all right, I don't know if this guy's like, he had touch. The Gronkowski. Length. Yeah. Like, they pickled us one game. Then we came back and beat him on the next one. But I was like, damn. Robbie G's really good. Is he? Yeah. I could they pickled us one game, then we came back and beat them on the next one. But I was like, damn. Robbie G's really good.

Is he? Yeah. I could see him being good. Rob's good at, like, a lot of things. It's crazy. Remember how good he was at basketball, and I never knew he was. I never, I was like, I wouldn't have imagined he would.

I can imagine him dunking and, like, ripping the hoop down. Yeah. But I couldn't imagine that he was as good of a shooter as he was. He won the shot contest. I know he did. We've talked about it on here. Team of teams. You know who was actually really good, too, at basketball?

Logan Mankins at Allstate in California. That's awesome. Logan Mankins. I couldn't have ever... I heard that. He had to play like a center or something. Probably, but I bet you he was super... Because he had big hands.

He probably had good touch, too. I played against Orlando Pace in high school. Yeah. Dude never went inside the three-point line. Yeah. It was unbelievable. I'm like, I was looking at him going, dude, go down on the block. You're like Shaq.

Yeah. And he would just stand outside and shoot threes. Who else? You played with – welcome to Games with Names. Let's get into this real quick. Welcome to Games with names today we are looking at the 2014 afc divisional round game the double pass the ravens versus the patriots here with josh mcdaniels the guy who gave him my opportunity you know i'm having billio later on this week he was

the guy that held me back josh josh mc Josh was the guy who gave me the opportunity in the same offense to thrive to what I was at. But the first question we ask all our guests in one sentence, why did you pick this game? I think this was, well, one that had, I'd say it had to do you you were significantly involved in it obviously but this was i think this is my favorite home game that i ever was a part of we had some really good super bowls and those kind of memories yeah um the afc championship game in kansas city sticks out to me yeah i had another one when i was younger against pittsburgh and pittsburgh but i would say for home games like the quality of the opponent, the way the game had to go, the way that it turned out,

I think this was probably my favorite home game that I was ever a part of. Wow. Is this the greatest game of all time? No, this is not the greatest game of all time. It's in the top. It's certainly in the top five or six for me in terms of Patriots games that I was a part of. No question about it.

What's life looking like right now? What are you doing these days? Different. You know, different. In a good way. Two kids in college, you know, and then still two girls now at home. I've been able to see them more. My sons get ready to play a sophomore year at John Carroll football.

He's playing in the slot receiver. There we go. So got to work with him some in the summer. I'll be able to see him play. I've seen him practice now multiple times, which is great. A lot of pickleball. I'm probably as healthy as I've been in 20 years. That's what's keeping the weight down.

You look thin. Thank you. Looking good. Trying to get my fighting weight. Trying to get the fighting weight. It's looking good. I was getting a little fluff the other way. People don't realize the coach's life.

The coach's life is the most stressful thing ever. It's like Obama when he first went into office and you see when he went like when he left office he looked like he almost died yeah you know what i mean that's what a coach goes through yearly like literally they eat the worst shit ever they have their schedules jam-packed especially with how belichick was working these guys and you know they just sit and they watch film and eat fucking food all day long they try to get a workout in but they they preach it but they don't always get it in but you know it's it's a tough life and the stress is crazy now you talked about john carroll you know how come what's what's

up with john carroll we had a lot of john carroll guys what can you explain that area and what that program and you know especially yeah Ohio, where you were from. A lot of these guys are from Ohio. I think, look, Ohio's in the Midwest and there's not as much to do. You're not on one of the coasts. And so the game of football in Ohio is like the thing, you know. And so when you're growing up in Ohio, you know all the high school teams. You know the Hall of Fame game comes there once a year.

That's a huge week and a huge part of the the culture there. You know, everybody goes to the enshrinement, you know, so football is kind of like in the blood. And then to go to school there, I went with a lot of kids from Ohio, some from Michigan, Pennsylvania, Chicago. But, you know, I think we all kind of were there for the same reason. In Division III, you're not there to make it to the NFL. You're not there to make a bunch of money. You're not there on a free ride. You're paying to go to school, and you want to have as many years left

that you can to play football. So you meet a lot of cool dudes that are there for the right reasons and so one hat when when that happened when bill gave me an opportunity um and then the next question you know six months later was like hey do you know anything anybody else that kind of would be like you in terms of being accountable work hard smart could learn and it was like yeah i know nick so then i suggested nick yeah casario and then eventually we suggested you know ziggler and shuplinski and kaylee and and it was kind of like almost like this unspoken thing like don't break the freaking chain yeah like don't be the guy that lets all of us down you

know what i mean and and and you know you know when you're given a recommendation you're thinking long and hard about who that guy is you know and so we kind of all put our name on somebody brian dable did it for me you know dave's wasn't from john carroll but we were together and that's how i ended up there and then we kind of all suggested somebody when it when when Bill came to us and said hey is there another guy that you know and um I think everybody just you know deserves their own credit for upholding their end of the bargain yeah now what are these stories you know back at John Carroll what was what was heard, did Casario come in and he? So Casario was, when I got there, when Szaplinski and I got there, and Casario was a redshirt freshman.

Redshirt freshman. He's like the only guy in the history of Division III football that redshirted. You know, like, like literally, like, like he, he was so intent on like playing and like having all these records and breaking all this and it was like he and i get there and i'm like and i said well what what grade is nick in and they're like he's a redshirt freshman i'm like he's not just a sophomore like like you know i mean like i want him i wanted him to be like ahead of me so like if we ended up all right he's gone then i you know however that goes but he redshirted so he still had multiple years left to play.

And when I was a freshman, it ended up being a fifth-year senior was the starter, Nick was the backup, and I was the third string. Well, the fifth-year senior, who happens to be the head coach at John Carroll now, Jeff Bearman is his name, he's a great guy, he broke his ankle in the first game. So Nick goes in. I'm the backup. And we play the rest of the year. Nick did a good job.

And he was a really good Division III quarterback, really good Division III football player. And so he ended up playing quarterback the next four years. And so I switched positions as a junior so I could play. I'm like, I'm not going to. I just want to sit behind him the whole time and hope for him to get injured i didn't want to do that you know so um he ended up throwing to me the last two years was great ziggler and i played a lot

together um but yeah nicks can you explain the locker room situation of which guy is which guy in the locker room so i i can only imagine because syria was dudley do right just fucking like guys we gotta get our protein shake in right now yes he did he was the only guy the morning after like we would win a game right we go to the we'd come in the next morning and everybody's like you know depending on what you did that night right like a lot of guys would go out so they'd in, there'd be like this big slumber into the weight room the next morning, and he would be like in the corner on a treadmill, and it's like at 11, and it's like on a seven incline, like just like Drago in Rocky IV.

And it was like the rest of us just looked at him like, man, come on, you got to give it a break. But he was, that's how he was. He was high strung. What was Ziegler? Ziegler was out in the back parking lot smoking cigarettes or what? No comment.

Ziggy was a little, me and Ziggs is real cool. Ziggs and I ended up, we actually lived together. I roomed with somebody different. I was not a football player my first three years. And then Ziggs and I lived in a house together my senior year, his junior year. And, yeah, Ziggs was a great student, but he enjoyed his free time. That's all I'm going to say. You're cool.

It's always so easy. It's always. Yeah. How about Casario now? I'm so proud of him. What are your thoughts on how he's doing as a gm that's pretty fucking cool yeah i'm really excited for him um my brother's there yeah you know as the receivers coach and so um i i think he's really done a good job of trying to

like he's taken what he needs to take from his experiences but he's meshing them with a different type of coaching staff a different style and they're they're figuring it out you know and i'm really excited for uh what he's trying to build there and domico is a really good dude good coach i got a really good staff a lot of good people down there i got to visit this spring and i was really impressed what's up with stroud how you i mean, that's like lightning in a bottle. He broke all the molds of the Ohio State quarterback, everything, the rookie. I mean, he went out and balled last year. Good for him.

He was a really good player. Like, you could tell watching his tape, he was a really good passer. Yeah. Like, as good of a passer as you're gonna see coming out like just naturally gifted um and then all the questions about like all right is it gonna acclimate quickly how long is it gonna take you know all those things and you know handling adversity last year went pretty good hopefully this year goes better but at some point they're gonna have to handle some adversity but i thought he did a tremendous job as a rookie unreal i mean takes care of the ball too took care of the ball but he got better every week yep you didn't like

if he made a mistake like first time he played against the patriots in the preseason they they did that you know they dropped someone in the flat on his own blitz and he threw a deep pick or something like that yep he didn't do that again no you know he caught him once and he learned from it and that's that's how you get improvement and growth through players is and that's what you want to see from young players is not making that same mistake twice no mistakes are always going to be made yep the guys that become good are the guys that don't make them twice yep he did a good job of i think he's i think he's well coached um and they you know they do a really good job of putting him in good positions and i think he he loves the game and he wants to be great.

He really does. Are you watching a lot of ball right now? Yeah, I do. Obviously, the preseason games, it is what it is. You see some things there. I'm interested to see some of the young guys. Yeah. But I'll be able to watch the games as the season progresses here.

Have you watched a little bit of May, Drake May? I have. What do you think about him? I didn't get to see a ton of him in the spring, but he's obviously got great size, really athletic. I don't know where he'll fit in the whole, like, you know, the style he'll play with. I'm interested to see how that develops.

Like, is he going a run a little bit of a runner like josh allen was in buffalo i don't think he's quite as big as josh is but like you know guys like that that have those kind of um attributes you can use them to run the football too yeah you know and so i don't think we've seen all that yet in the preseason yeah but i'm interested to see when he plays if if he becomes a little bit more of a dual threat guy yeah or if he's just a pocket passer and a big tall strong guy in the pocket but the games i've seen he's you know he's done a good job in you know last night you know he played and he had that third and 14 on that first drive backed up and he got that with his legs yep which you know was cover five look i think two man or something and he you know, was a cover five look, I think, two-man or something. And that was pretty cool to see.

Yep. He's stepping up in the pocket, which is for a young guy, as you know, like that's not always the easiest thing to get him to do. And I saw him multiple times last night move forward. The crunch. Yeah. On that crunch stalk, you know, he stepped up. You know, there's a lot of times where a young quarterback

can't keep his eyes downfield while he steps up. He takes off in one of those lanes. That's right. He delivered that football to Polk. It looked good. You know, he still needs to work his feet. He had too many throws where, you know, he's like this, and he's trying to do that.

Yeah. You know, and he'll learn that. Hopefully he does, but that was his MO is his feet aren't. And I don't think he played from under center much. Yeah. And you can tell, you know, when there's exchange issues, you know, usually that's just time on task. You know, and I doubt he didn't do that much in college from what I gather.

So I think those are the kind of things that will take some time for him to just acclimate because you can't be thinking about how to get the ball from the center when you're dealing with – Backup center. Defenses and, like, where's the blitz coming from and what's my read and what coverage are they playing, you can't be thinking about how to get the ball. That's the last.

I mean, Foxborough High, right? That's right. That's Foxborough High right there. That's exactly right. The one thing that also pissed me off is the cleat thing. He's wearing those slipper cleats. Oh, yeah. Like, dude, you're 230.

You're 6'4". You can't be wearing DB 195-pound cleats. You break a foot. Will the guard get him and it just slipped off, right? It slipped off. I didn't like that. That made me mad. You got to protect those things, especially your quarterback.

You learn how to play with a heavy cleat. That's right. What's up with Mayo? What's your thoughts on how Mayo's doing? I'm excited for him. Yeah, me too. Gerard was a great player. And, you know, everybody, I think he had a ton of respect as a player you know captain leader of

the team those kind of things were natural to him and i think that you know this is going to be an interesting year for him as he goes through it because each each step of the way will just be something he can learn from and grow from. And I feel like he has his own idea on how he wants it to be done. And he'll adapt it as the circumstances change, as he navigates the season. But, you know, it's hard to prepare for this. Like, you can be around football all your life, and all of a sudden you become a head coach, and there's so many other things you're responsible for now so um i'm assuming he's gonna just you know he'll he'll

acclimate to those like he's acclimated to a lot of challenges in his life and i'm expecting him to succeed yeah i'm excited for him you know it's it's it's a dying breed the defensive sided coach yeah you know and he's one of, like, six. Mm-hmm. You know, and, you know, hopefully he finds, you know, hopefully Van Pelt comes through and they have a good relationship and develop the young quarterback because ultimately he's facing Drake May's hands. Yeah.

I mean, that's what it is. Yeah, that's, I mean, they've talked about it all year. I mean, from what I've heard, that's obviously going to be paramount. Yeah. You know, his development and whatever the plan ends up being for Drake in terms of when he's going to play, how they're going to handle him, and continue to develop him as he goes forward is going to be important. That's the toughest thing.

Like, you know, they always say you can't – you might as well start with Jacoby first because you can never pull the kid once you put him in. And so that's going to be an interesting decision, what they have going into week one. And Gerard, he's a level-headed guy. He's a very smart guy. And you listed all the characteristics he had.

I mean, captain this, that. He checks all the boxes. I'm excited for his opportunity. Now, developing young quarterbacks, can you talk about that? What's the process like? You were a huge part of help developing Tom Brady, right? That's when you first came in, 2000, 2001. You developed him and the other guys.

But developing a quarterback, what's that process like? And who also makes that decision? Is it the head coach? Is it the offensive coordinator? Is it the quarterback coach? Or is it everyone's doing it their own? What's this process? I think you have to have a plan,

and that obviously starts from the head coach's perspective. And you have to be able to agree on how you're going to kind of unveil that thing to the player and ultimately bring him along. You know you were a young player that needed to make progress every step of the way. And this is no different. It's just there's so much notoriety and so much attention on the quarterback position.

So if they're not talking about your arm angle, they're talking about your footwork. If they're not talking about that, they're talking about your eyes or your read or how you navigated the pocket. And there's a lot of things that go into playing it well. But I, at the end of the day, I think you got to take the player where he's at,

you know, when he comes in, whether that was Castle or Garoppolo or Stidham or Brissett or Mack, Aiden O'Connell, like you got to take the player where he's at. They're all at different spots. They all have been taught different things. They've all, you know, digested different amounts of information. Some have played in different systems than yours. Some have played in maybe some that were a little bit more like yours. And you just got to figure out, all right, what do they know? And what am I going to try to push forward to get him to progress the quickest?

I think I can get this and this done in OTAs. Okay, great. Cadence, play calls, footwork. All right, good. Then in training camp, now I got to get them to see different coverages and understand defenses a little bit more and protect you know protections you know and then you know move forward you know ball security and then the red zone's a different animal and third down and two minute offense so there's a lot of things that go into it but i think it's just having a really good feel for where's the player at.

You can't just keep throwing stuff at him. I always talk about it. They have a bucket. You guys all had a bucket, and yours was a big bucket at the end. You could handle whatever we gave you. Well, when you take a young quarterback, it's more like a cup. You've got to put some stuff in his cup, and when it gets to the top, you got to stop, you know what I mean? And then make sure that he, you know,

got has this and he can do it well. And then, okay. So then when he's ready for more than you get him a bigger cup and then hopefully he ends up with a bucket and you got a bunch of stuff in there that you can do well, but there's no shortcut. There's no shortcut to it. And I think knowing where the players at is really important yeah it's now some you know a lot of people have been talking about you know the systems in the nfl you got the west coast system then you have like our system the charlie weiss patriot system and they say that the the West Coast system is pretty much,

it protects the quarterback. The offensive linemen help with the protections. Everyone, you know, everyone, the quarterback, you go where the ball is supposed to go. It's step system for the receivers. Is it harder to develop a quarterback in our system? Because that's what people are trying to say than it is in the west coast system i think it depends on on the way you look at that um if the goal is

just to um restrict the volume of responsibility that you place on him right away than it certainly could be um if at the end of the day your goal is to have him understand how to handle all the problems um and take care of those things that come up in the big games um in order for him to help you win them then then maybe it's worth it you know that was always our mindset is basically what we're talking about here is who's going to do the stuff prior to the ball being snapped yeah all the quarterbacks have to do the same thing once the ball's in their hand they gotta understand what happened relative to the protection or the pressures they have to read the coverage they have to identify a guy that they think is open and make accurate throws and protect the

ball like everybody does the same thing once the ball snap really what we're talking about is pre snap responsibility snap responsibility that's it and so i always looked at it like a mountain like at the beginning we're at the bottom we're trying to climb it and at the beginning when you start talking to them about making the calls and setting the protections and dealing with the run game and all those things that we you know we taught our players how to do you know it's it's harder because it's foreign um it's not that they don't understand it it's just different yeah and so at the beginning they're at the bottom of the mountain you look up and you're like god damn that's a tall mountain yeah you know but i always felt like as we went through the first year all right you're

getting up the mountain you know it i know it we all know it yeah and then once you get to the top of the mountain now there's nothing left to climb because you understand it you understand how to manipulate the protection how to solve your issues and prep with blood zero and those kind of things um and and and just be able to able to do it at a high level. Yeah. You know, because I always thought like, okay, Tom, everybody knows Tom's won a lot. Well, Tom did it that way.

Peyton did a lot too. You know, Peyton won a lot. He did it that way. You know, I know that Pat's some, you know, in some way, shape, or form able to handle some of those things as well. I just think having the quarterback never be responsible for any of that stuff um you know there's some downside to it you know other people might argue that that's not the case but i would say that you know there's there's pros and cons

to both you know i love the i love the idea of having the quarterback able to understand it all yeah i really do i i mean i I do too. That's the quarterback. That's why he gets paid all the goddamn money. You know, fuck. $65 million nowadays. Yeah. Can we talk about the game day fit? What do you mean?

What you wear? Yeah, like for coaches. What, you know, did... I wore two things specifically. What? I like it. Yeah, baby. That's the Josh McDaniels visors. I wore two things. i did two things specifically

the reason i did it was so my kids could i did we all look the same yeah you go out there and you're the same exact outfit and it's like when you have like a seven-year-old and a nine-year-old and you know and they're up there in the stands and you know somebody's trying to so initially i did the white visor and the white long sleeves. And that was the two things that I told him. I said, you can see me. And it just stuck. And it answers the other question.

The Air Monarchs are just dad swag. It's dad swag. It is what it is. Comfort, baby. It is what it is. I was orthotics in everything I had. My guys. I hate the narrow shoe like it drives me crazy i was right there with you that was we were just messing around now this is our guy jeff

angler angler angler yes so angler this is guy who makes orthotics let me just tell you he comes up the first off these orthotics are like 30 grand each. Whoa. They're like... He's going over the top. Well, for you, they would probably be cheaper, but the team was paying for it. My cup was smaller. You made more money than I did. But he would roll up to Foxborough.

He's from Pittsburgh. He'd roll up in his motorhome, and he'd bring out all these contraptions and stuff, and he'd be making your orthotics orthotics like there was some band like there's drills yeah drills but he'd be making tar and shit in like the parking lot which is like fully illegal i don't know i went to his house once to do so you know how he does a mold of your feet yeah so i got to his his office and he has literally when i tell you he's got like if someone ever broke in there and god bless it i don't don't let that happen

he's got people's feet that you wouldn't even imagine like i was looking at him all and i'm like oh my god oh my god like we're talking like i mean it's like you know ray lewis and this guy and a golfer and an nba player And I'm not going to name it. But it's like, okay. And it was like, I'm literally hundreds. Hundreds of feet molds. So Rex Ryan would have loved it. Yeah, he would have loved it.

Bro, you make him sound like the Walter White of orthotics. Cooking up orthotics. That's exactly what he was. He literally would roll up in a motorhome and he'd be cooking up these goddamn orthotics in the back. How many of us were hooked on that? We didn't want to get them from anybody else. Oh, you couldn't. I still don't.

Yeah. I still get them. I'm not making as much. Oh, yeah, right. Just stay in the Reebok. 16 people on here. We got nice Reeboks. This is a segment, Josh, where we go back into time.

Around January 10, 2015, we talk about pop culture. We talk about pop culture. Number one movie was Taken 3. Have you ever seen? Liam Neeson. Liam Neeson. I mean, if you have a daughter. It wasn't as good as Taken 1, but I mean.

No. But I think all his movies are pretty much Taken. Yeah. And I watch them all, and I love them. I'm entertained every time. He uses that voice when he talks. I'm going to give you an option. That's exactly right.

It's like a low voice, and it's like you just feel like. Now you're going to let my daughter go. That's right. Or I'm going to come and find you. Very specific set of skills. Yeah, exactly. That's right. The number one song, All About the Bass by Meghan Trainor.

Daughter likes that song. It's all about the bass. Your daughter does? Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, I know. My daughter liked it back then. We just hit on the Kid Bop version. Oh, boy.

So we don't have to hear anything about booties and stuff. That's right. Around this time, David Letterman says goodbye after 33 years. Late night. Of the late Night Show. He was a stud. I didn't realize it was this late. I thought it was more probably like early 2000s.

Because when you were going on Late Show, it was already Colbert, right? Colbert and then Fallon. So you didn't go on until literally after this year. After this year. After this year. Wow. He was great. He was.

Left Shark sweeps the internet after Katy Perry. He did one of those things like this. See, you're kind of like trying to do your David Letterman thing. I mean, you got to watch all the greats. Look at him. The old film guys. Howard Stern, David Letterman. I know.

There you go. WNB. WNB. Some great movies that came out this year American Sniper, The Hobbit, Battle of Five Armies Interstellar, All In Theaters I didn't see The Hobbit I didn't see that I saw American Sniper

yeah I saw that it was badass that was a good movie we made so many pump up videos for you using the Interstellar soundtrack love that right around this time when he was playing? yeah these were guys we worked together for a while I've been around too long pump-up videos for you using the Interstellar soundtrack. Love that. Right around this time. So these guys...

When he was playing? Yeah, these were guys we worked together for a while. I've been around too long. He needed you to be making pump-up videos. You think I was making these highlight films myself? I thought you would race out of the building after treatment and go home and make a highlight video of yourself. Absolutely not.

To Interstellar. Interstellar. Have you heard Hans Zimmer? He's going to be in L.A next week i'm or new york i want to go see him he's a great soundtrack guy is he yeah he's a score would you see any of the content that he'd be putting out like when he was playing no good good nothing no nothing never not even growing pets what on what on what the only thing i saw the only thing i saw that you did was that you and dola were the police officers yes i saw that i did see that yeah what else did you see you know you seen them all in josh josh you seen them all you got kids

you come up to me like my kids probably saw more than i did actually my kids i i they were i was leaving and they were like where are you going i said my kids, I was leaving, and they were like, where are you going? I said, I'm going to Julian's. And they're like, for what? I'm like, I'm going to do this podcast with them. They're like, what? Are you really? Oh, yeah, they're all excited.

They've seen this. Shout out to McDaniels. Let's go. Little McNuggets. Little McNuggets. What's life like for Josh McDaniels in 2014 during this time? I had four, so my littlest one just turned two. I had a two, a four, an eight, and a ten.

Man. So I was in it. In it. In it. And all of them were in grade school or not yet in school so those are good times i mean you know when you had one but i mean like those are cool times there's not as much drama yeah you know they're not into problems they you know they have minor issues being a coach is tough man you know like having to deal with those problems and then having to deal with the team.

I took two of mine to the Super Bowl this year, and that was the last time I did that. Last time? That I took two. Why? Because the other two were two and four. Yeah. So I'm like, you know.

And then they all started going. You pay $3,000 for them to watch like, you know, Moana, you know, four times, you know what I mean? Like it's the most expensive movie you've ever seen in your life. So when we went to, when we went to Houston to play Atlanta, the night, you know, the night after you win the championship game is so like, you're having all these conversations, right?

Who are you going to give the tickets to and who's coming and all that. And we were sitting on the couch and I was like, what do you to do the girls and i'm like just let's just bring them all yeah whatever and so like all right we have we have pictures like they're they have their ipads right thank god they were allowed to bring them in you know and then headsets and they're just watching the games going on you know what i mean like you know but at least after the game you have those memories yeah you know those are great memories after the game, you have those memories. Those are great memories. Yeah. Man, have you seen all the media butterfly now Bill on TV lately?

I've seen him a little bit. I haven't seen like, I mean, I saw him on the draft. I saw him on the draft with McAfee. I haven't seen the recent McAfee's. I've been doing some other stuff. But, I mean, I know he's doing a few things, right? Inside the NFL. Inside the NFL. That hasn't started yet though right yeah yeah McAfee McAfee so the first second week of September will be a big week you know yeah everywhere the two

hardest fucking people the two hardest people to get on my goddamn podcast Bill fucking Belichick guy that I took a lot of paid nice nice for, right? Nice pay days. And then Tom fucking Brady. I knew you were going to say that. I can imagine Tom and Bill are tough. Yeah, so tough. But, you know, they'll go do McAfee show. Yeah, coincidentally you see them, but they're the guys you see the most. Every stinking podcast.

He's getting a haircut on a podcast. Tom, I mean, what are we doing? What do we need to do? What does your podcast need to do? You know, I don't know. We might need your help, Josh. We might need you to text me. I was asking you, you know, like, you know, I haven't,

do you have a board? Like a board of trustees for this show? You're looking at him right here. This is the board? This is the board right here. This is the board. This is the fucking board. Hey, we're getting close with Ernie.

Ernie's our guy. I like Ernie. Ernie's got it, bro member he's a member of the crew at this point yeah earn earn what's what's your craziest ernie story ernie well i mean i that's that's a long there's some there's a long list of those um ernie well the when he took the header before we played Atlanta. Did we tell that? We told that. He took the header. He did.

The best was when he came back out and he was bandaged like a war hero. And it was like we're still in practice. Remember when he came back out and all the players started clapping for him? The slow clap for him. Remember this Reed moment? I was like, what is going on? Remember he was bleeding? Yeah, he had blood everywhere. So hold on.

So then that night, we practiced and all that. And then every night we had a staff meeting, right? We go to the staff meeting. Earn still got the bandage. He still bandaged up. It was like a MASH unit. With the same bandage or a freshman? I don't know. I'm not going to comment on that because i didn't change it but i know this he still had

the bandage you know what i mean like i would have gotten out of the bandage and maybe put like you know like like i don't know what i would have put on but it was a little something yeah like a hat or something but he was like no i'm gonna keep wearing the bandage hey you gotta you gotta you gotta coach hurt yeah you gotta coach hurt and earns earn is is funny because you know in a i have a couple ernie so when we were in the pre the night before the super bowl in 11 so we're in the meeting uh the staff mean this is the final staff meeting prior to game day this is evening you guys are curfew last supper last up right there's a phone that rings bill started to talk already right and that's when he's like making like he's basically like this is the last thing we're going to talk about right and the phone

rings and i'm like you know at that point you're just hoping it in yours yeah right and i always had mine off anyway so i'm like okay i'm good and then i look over to the left and it's ernie's and he answers it like bill's literally like where you're at and i'm where ernie is and he he like looks down he grabs it looks at the phone then he flips it up and he starts talking and i think it was uh christine and he's like he's like you know tells her like basically he's in a meeting and i'll call her back i'm going like i'm like there's only one person in that staff meeting that could have done that and not gotten like the death stare and it was ernie because if i'd have done that bill would have looked at me and wanted to just kill me. Oh, my God.

But literally, he hung the phone up, and I'm going, oh, my God. And Bill just kept going. Just kept going. He hated the whole, like, you know, like the Nike. You know, he loved these Reebok shoes. Good brand. Yeah, he loved these Reebok shoes. So when the league came out and made us wear Nike,

he just put tape over the Reebok logo on game day and wore his wore his old Reeboks for like 15 years or whatever whenever we went to Nike I don't remember when that was he's superstitious on the on the low because he wore the same shit all the time all the time all the time all the time let's go back before we do that while we're talking ernie i'd love to know two things from you what was the best nugget ernie ever gave you and what was the worst nugget he ever gave you there won't be any worse nuggets honestly because he never he shared stuff with me um like he had video and and and things from Montana, like doing drill work. And he really, he was,

he had so much knowledge about almost everything, you know? And so he really, footwork, quarterback play, situations, adjustments. He was just, he always helped. Always helped. It wasn't always like 15 things, but there was like. You mean to tell me there hasn't been one Ernie card where you're sitting there?

Ernie card? Yeah. Oh, well, that's not a nugget. If you're talking about Ernie cards, that's a whole different story. Yeah, does anybody, do the viewers know your cards? The viewers know Ernie cards. So Ernie would, he would do all the defensive cards, right?

On Thursdays, and it started on Fridays. That's when it started. So it was like Bill would say, I got the cards on Thursday night in the staff meeting, which meant Ernie had them because Bill bill wasn't going to draw him. You know, he had other things to do. And so Ernie would draw the cards. And it was like, so we, you know, as an offense,

we didn't know what was coming, kind of more preparing you like to get ready for the game. Might get a blitz here, might get coverage, might get something else, who knows. And he would always take it off of like something they did but there was times where like you know as an offensive coordinator you're like we've had a pretty good week so far and like the last thing you're looking for is like an absolute disaster on friday's practice right that's right yeah no they weren't fast fridays that in new england they were championship fridays

championship maybe championship friday so we would go we would like you know we would he would hand us the cards and i would just ask one of the qc's like do we have any grenades in there you know what i mean because they would like flip through and he'd like yeah there's a few you know i mean it's just like oh man what are we doing? The defense. And Tom, you know, Tom hated it. Oh, he'd be like, that's not they don't do that. You know what I mean? Just like legitimately like get angry about it. And I would be like, just let it go.

Let it go. I mean, we we get a play call from when the defensive coordinator did it back at UOP in 1982 when he was defensive coordinator, quality control guy, ran a blitz zero in this one. Like the one time it was ever called in the history of the game, but that guy was associated with it, so we did it. Do you have like a marketing deal with these guys? Yeah. Clean.

Clean. Clean as can be. A little electrolytes in there to keep keep that that water in your muscle look at you ph levels just have less muscles now i'm older i'm almost 50 no you're not i'm 48 you look good thank you looking good man you look good i'm almost 50 like richard grier my little girl the other day she looks she she heard me say that because somebody had asked me how old i was and she stopped for a minute and she's like you mean to tell me in 22 years you're gonna be 70 and I was like when she said that I was like whoa I'm like that's that's not that far away 22 is not like that's a long time I don't

know but I mean that like like she she went right to the 70 marker on me. I'm going like, can I get to 50 first? Jeez, 70 birds. How old are you now? 38. You got a little gray in there. I'm gray as heck. Look at you. Distinguished. Yeah.

I'm trying to be like you guys. Like Richard Greer. I'm not Richard Greer, baby. You know? George Clooney, Richard Greer. Richard Gear. Whatever his name is. Richard Gear.

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We were the Super Bowl champs. Yeah, baby. MVP was Aaron Rodgers. Always had those MVPs. No rings. No what? He had one ring yeah 15 years ago national champions were ohio state heisman trophy winner marcus mariotta shout out oregon ducks baby oregon ducks where's he at now washington washington someone's been watching he didn't play last night did he i'm aware he didn't play last night, though, did he? I'm aware. He didn't play last night. No.

No. So he's the backup. He and Jaden did not. That's the best job in football, being a known backup guy. So you got to play. Until you got to play. Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, John Smoltz, and Craig Biggio all inducted the Hall of Fame.

What a year. That's a crew. That's a crew. Pedro. American Pharoah became the 12th horse and the first since 1978 to win the Triple Crown. That was that long ago. That's crazy.

We were at that race at the Derby. I have pictures of you at that race. You don't remember. I think a lot of people have pictures of us at that race. I definitely do. Were you there? Nope, never been. Because it was usually right around the draft.

Yeah. It's almost always on draft week. I knew the coaching staff were kind of horse race guys, so I was wondering. It's always on draft week. It's hard for us to know. We don't even know who's playing. Who's on what?

What's on second? Nailed it. The U.S. Women's National Team? What's on second? Nailed it. The U.S. Women's National Team. Is this Brandy? Huh? Is this one Brandy? No, this is Ford. That was in like 2000.

That was like in 2000. Gosh, I was like. We had her on. That was 98. 99. We did an episode with her. We had her on. Awesome.

All time game from the Rose Bowl. That was awesome. But this is when we defeated Japan 5-2 to win the World Cup. Didn't we lose the year before? Or the year after. Let me double check. Or the year after. This was like the redeem.

Ref Talk, Ron Witter, and Scott Green retired prior to the season. Who's your favorite? I like Gene. I like Gene, yeah. That was your favorite? That was my favorite. You don't like Gene? I do. I really like Gene. I like Gene, yeah. That was your favorite? That was my favorite. You don't like Gene? I do.

I really like Gene. Gene's great. Gene had a kid that went to Kent. John Perry. Perry. Good dude. He was cool. I really like John.

I really like Vinovich. Vinovich. I thought he just does such a good job of, like, the game just keeps going. Yeah. I'll tell you who I don't like. Who's the guy? Scott Novak. He just looks like a principal.

He just looks like a... He might be. He probably is. Or a judge. They have. They all have jobs. Not a Hockley guy either. Not a Hockley guy?

Nah. You got too loud with the arms. Too much with it. You're doing too much, brother. I like talk. Be a Carl Jeffers. Come on now. He's hanging off of him.

That guy can't be looking like a linebacker. Barely get his fall smart. Can we get some pliability in those arms?ers. Come on now. That guy can't be looking like a linebacker. Barely get his fall smart. Can we get some pliability in those arms? Dude. Come on, bro. Hydrate. He's just like a buff Cleet Blakeman. Come on, bro.

A buff Cleet Blakeman? Oh, my God. I love Deep Relief. The fact that you laughed at his joke. He's a McDaniels head. Oh, I'm a Stan, bro. I'm a Stan. I'm not going to hide it. When you leave after this, he's going to be like, you guys heard him laugh at my joke. He's a McDaniels head. Oh, I'm a Stan, bro. I'm a Stan. I'm not going to hide it.

When you leave after this, he's going to be like, you guys heard him laugh at my joke? I love it. Facts, facts, facts. I love it. All right. What teams in Ohio did you grow up liking?

You're from Canton. You're talking about like pro and college? Anything. Who did you support? When I was a young... I mean, it was hard not to like... It was hard not to support Ohio State and the Browns because of where I grew up.

But my favorite college football team back then was the Florida State Seminoles. Seminoles. Loved Charlie Ward. He was the quarterback. Casey Weldon was before him and then Charlie Ward. And I just, I rooted for Bobby Bowden to eventually get over the hump and beat Miami and win a national championship.

And they did eventually. But that was my favorite college football team. Can we get some Snoop Menace talk on this pod? Some what? Snoop Menace. Who's that? The national championship game when they beat Virginia Tech. No, that was after.

That's later. That was with Peter Warrick. Okay. Yeah, Peter Warrick. The one in 94, I think, was when they won, and they had Kez McCorvey and Tamar Vanover and Kevin Knox, and those guys were playing. They were a beast in the football game, NCAA in 94.

Mark Richt, OC that year? I forgot about that. Who was that? Mark Richt was the OC that year. Yeah, before he went to Georgia. Yeah, that was my favorite team. And then, honestly, I don't know why I had kind of like an affinity for the Lions.

That was back when Eric Kramer and they actually did some decent things back then with Barry. Barry was hard not to like. When you got to see Barry on TV, that was like must-see TV barry sanders that was awesome he was he was unreal that's who every kid wanted to be i mean just watching him play was such his running style was so different than everybody else 100 i mean and his legs were just so massive and he the way he cut on AstroTurf was illegal. Yeah. And he just... To physics, literally. Yeah, he walked away from the game.

He was still healthy and could have played. I watched a thing on him. He seems like a great dad and stuff. Him and his relationship with his dad was always a little weird. It wasn't weird. He loved his dad, but his dad was always kind of tough on him. Always said that he was the third best running back of all time behind Jim Brown and him.

And then he would tell publicly, he would say, you're the third best running back of all time behind Jim Brown and me. Jim Brown and me. You coached at Michigan State. Just for one year. For one year with Saban. Was that part of? Right after I graduated.

Yeah. From Carroll. And so did you think Nick gave you a recommendation to Bill? Sure. I don't. I mean, I can't. Yeah. Brian.

So Brian was a second year GA. I was a first year GA. So he was a year older than me. Brian. Dable. Dable. So when I got there, Brian GA so he was a year older than me Brian Dable Dable so when I got there Brian was already in his second year and so I was in my first year so that was a huge experience for

me because coming to New England with Bill after being with Nick it didn't seem like such a like a oh my gosh yeah you know I mean because I like, all right, I know what this is like, you know, after having been with Nick. What are the similarities and differences? Nick is not afraid to really detail it out. You know what I mean? Like, there would be, like, a cover one tip sheet for the DBs that was, like, this thick.

That's just cover one. That's one defense. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like, holy cow. You know, if we do this, do this just cover that's one defense yeah you know i mean it's like holy cow you know if we do this do this and you know got that you know and he believed in preparation preparation preparation it was relentless in that regard um bill was very much the same but less like he would try to simplify i I thought, you know, as much as he could, you know, and we might play cover one, but he's not going to overwhelm you with, you know, too much detail.

But I mean, honestly, there's their personalities are a little different. Everybody thinks Bill is what you see in the media. And as you know, it's not like that. Yeah. You know, so it was was fun it was really it was great for me to have a chance to be with nick yeah before going to bill baptize you into it no doubt yeah we all forget anakin was a jedi first okay he was a jedi there you go jackie let's break down these ravens give us the rundown let's get get into these Ravens. Let's get into the game. Okay. This was the year the Ravens went 10-6. This is in the Harbaugh era, of course. Gary Kubiak's lone season as OC in Baltimore.

Yeah. Good coaching staff. Oh, yeah. And then on the other side of the ball, we have Mr. Blitz Zero himself. Dean Pease. Dean Pease. That fucking Dean Pease. Dean Pease.

You remember what Randy Moss used to yell at at dps all the time what he used to say he's dps blitz fucking zero lost him that goddamn ring oh my goodness oh man oh man was it plexigo yes bro oh my god i still got ptsd from that as a fan geez um and now we're talking nick same we're talking bamaama. We're talking Bama. C.J. Mosley's rookie year, he was a beast. Elvis Dumerville, Terrell Suggs, Sackville, 29 sacks that year. We're in the post-Ray Lewis, post-Ed Reed era. Those guys left in 2012.

We're in 2014 here. They were the sixth seed in the AFC going into the playoffs. And this was a banner year for Joe Flacco. I mean, absolutely tearing it up. Best year of his career. Threw for 27 touchdowns, almost 4,000 yards. Just balling out. Yeah.

Backed up by Tyrod. This is a good team. Heck of a team, bro. Steve Smith. Really good team. Really tough. Really well coached. And they had a lot of info on us. Like, we had played enough, and it was like you know 2012 afc championship

game 2013 we went there and played them 2014 you know dating back to my rookie year yeah 2009 i mean there was a lot of like explain the rivalry people this is this was a rivalry for a good eight years no doubt we you know it was like us it was our out of division rival it usually bounced from them to the colts then went to denver yeah but they had a huge chunk of that yeah i mean it just you knew it was going to be a uh a challenge to beat them it's a great organization they're really well coached you know and they were stable yeah you know like it wasn't like things were fluctuating all the time like who's the coach you know we played against the jets and the the bills and it was like you know every every few

years it felt like you're getting you know used to like all right this is the new coach he's hired these two new coordinators so the system's going from this to something else and it was like for these guys there was a lot of consistency and stability and so they were able to accumulate a lot of knowledge on us we had basically the same situation you know um you know going into to them. And so I just felt like familiarity breeds contempt a little bit. And so we had played so many games against them and it was like, okay, here we go again. Like Suggs, I could still hear Suggs on the field. Like when we would, when we would say a code word, you know, Suggs was one of the, him and Lewis and Reed obviously were incredible,

but they were also incredibly intelligent and so like yeah and so like you're yelling a word and then he's going it's going on it's going over there it's over there i'm like gosh dang like we got to switch everything you know what i mean and it's like it's such a pain in the butt when you're dealing with that but um they were tough they were physical as you know we prided ourselves on being the same way and you know so we played a similar style of football if you will both wanted to be good in the kicking game you know both took a lot of pride in a lot of scrimmage turnovers turnovers it was all those things so it was almost like you're playing you know a close relative you know and even though they weren't in our division we played them a lot so it felt like they were

and you know they always talked about how they weren't they didn't fear us and all that i don't you know i don't know why anybody would fear playing somebody else but like they talked about it a lot and uh you know so and they got us a couple times yeah i know this game isn't oh it didn't have ray or ed but can you can you talk to the listener about having to try to prepare against those two guys yeah um that's i'm sure like when you talk about a defensive coordinator trying to get ready for Manning or Brady, you know, those guys that were really intelligent and could play the game in their mind too. That's what that felt like when you were getting ready to play Reed, Lewis, Suggs to me. There's not that many teams that I've coached against where I would say that there

was the volume of players that they had at one time that were as instrumental in terms of knowing what was coming seeing the formation overplaying tendencies being able to adjust getting their teammates in the right position it was really hard to you know because as a coach you want to prepare your team as best you can you also want to try to scheme some success so it's not like hey you know good luck jules you know get out there and get them on every play like there's definitely plays where it's like all right jules you're gonna have to come through here and you came through you know a ton it's just you want to try to help your players as much as you can by giving them something that's like okay this is gonna work

yeah and it's it's gonna not trick the defense but there's gonna be an element a little foreshadowing there's gonna be a little you know a little you know where it's simpler yeah to have some success and it was hard against them it just wasn't that was not simple yeah it wasn't simple i just remember anytime we'd play ed reed or bray lewis bill would show like a 20 play cut up on just both of those there'd be a 30 minute team presentation it like to start the day of just a highlight of these two this guy will fucking blow you up like just that kind of shit yeah oh cover three that's what you thought and like edward would be in the second you know what i mean like his favorite thing to say to us was that they don't need to play with safety defense because they just play post

safety and ed covers both sides of the field. And it may, and it like got in your head as like, I'm like, you know, as a coach, you're like, Oh man,

like, can we throw it back there? No, ever. You know what I mean? Like, I don't remember Tom, like we'd have conversations and it was always part of the conversation,

but that that's, that's a tribute to the greatness of the player. Yeah. Because when you're looking at him going, he can cover everything back there, and you're thinking about that, that makes you question whether or not, you know, you can do something.

Oh, yeah. Bill loved Ed Reed, didn't he? Like, just loved him. Loved him. Where does he rank on the all-time Mount Rushmore of, like, guys that weren't Patriots that Bill loved? High. I was going to say, as a fan, I would always hear that.

That weren't Patriots that he didn't coach? Right, right. say, as a fan, I would always hear that. That weren't Patriots that he didn't coach? Right, right. There's a caveat there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There you go. Lawrence Taylor would be the top. There is no Mount Rushmore. Okay.

There's Lawrence, and then there's the mountain. Yeah. Ed Reed. Ed Reed is at... He's up there. He's in the Mount Rushmore. Heck yeah. 100%.

Is there anybody else in there? Yeah, I mean, Ed was such a. He liked Troy. He liked Troy. He liked Palomalo. He liked Palomalo. They were different players. Yeah.

Ed Reed was a completely different player than Troy. You know, we ended, well, hell, we ended up with a lot of the guys that he loved. Rodney, Junior. It was like, if we loved him enough, we would try to get him. Like Randy. Randy. Like I'm just saying, there was a lot of players. He loved Ocho.

He loved Ocho. He loved Ocho. Loved Ocho. All the mic'd up clips of them talking shit to each other pregame, oh, it's fucking amazing. Oh, yeah. Ocho's, yeah, he's something. But that's what happened.

I love that. Like, you know, you like him enough. I don't know. I never made those kind of calls. I like these what happened. I love that. Like, you know, like, you like him enough. I don't know. I never made those kind of calls. I like these two guys. It's like you're dating, like, you know. Hey, now. Hey, now.

Hey, we're chilling right now. Okay, chilling. We're chilling. We're chilling on that. Now, what's the breakdown of this defense? What do you remember from this game plan? Dean Pease. Dean was.

You played coach? Yeah, he coached against us a long time, or with us a long time. So he knew. Like, I think a lot of get, too much gets overblown about that kind of stuff. But he obviously knew some of the things we did. So that was hard to, like, really get him on that kind of stuff. The element of surprise is usually out with just your fundamental stuff. Yeah, it's just tough because they've seen it so much.

This was probably the most physical and physically tough team we would play. Now, we played Seattle at the the end and they were very similar. But up to this point, this was as tough physically of a football team on defense that we'd played, no doubt about it. It wasn't like the most skilled, like, you know, super speedy. It wasn't about quickness, and that was not them. This was about hitting you in the face and they they didn't let you run the ball they crushed the pocket crushed the pocket if you held

on to the ball hello d nada was young nada was on the team they had i mean nada jernigan i remember jernigan hit tommy that one time and almost, he knocked him, he knocked his wind out of him. But, but then it was like they had all those big guys like Doomerville who played mostly in sub and Suggs who played all the time. But then it was like, they had that, that multitude of guys like Upshaw McClellan McPhee that were bigger. Like they didn't even belong in the category of linebacker. It was like a defensive end.

And so they would put them all out there in passing situations, and then it was like if they didn't get an edge quick, it was just power. And they just brought everybody to the quarterback. And so we knew we couldn't hold the ball long. Running it was going to be difficult, and they were the best red zone defense. We had played all season to that point by far. And so I remember on Tuesday of this week,

um, Bill had a conversation with me and these were always tricky conversations. Um, and it wasn't the only time we had it, but he said, I don't, you know, I don't know how much time we want to spend messing around

in the running game you know he's like i just don't you know i don't think we're going to win the game that way that's not where our strength lies that's not where our advantage is and so he was willing you know whenever he always said something like that to me i always say like okay well tell me what what does that mean like do you not want me to put any runs in like ever no well no i'm not saying that you know like but i mean like i don't think i want to spend a lot of time running the ball you know so then then i then he'd like leave and i'm like i still don't know i still don't know like what i'm doing here you know but then but but i'll say this like this is one of the the the unspoken things

that i think our players did an incredible job of and they did it because i think Bill taught him how to do it was in a bit as big a game as this was we're going to say we're not doing this and you could you could get your feelings hurt if you were like an offensive lineman or the fullback or a halfback you're like wait a minute like what do you mean we're not gonna run the ball we? We're not even going to try, you know? And why? Because our advantage was in the passing game, and that's the way we felt best about winning. Like, it'd be like the Celtics.

The Celtics are one of the best three-point shooting teams in NBA history, right? Well, they're not going to just pound the ball in the paint all day and hope that they can win inside, you know inside against the Nuggets or whoever they play. They're going to do what they do and beat you with skill and speed and shooting and all. And that's basically what he was saying was, look, we can try it. And we had a couple.

I think we only ran seven times. And that was literally just to kind of like give me a playoff to think about the next pass. Honestly, that's about what it was. Cause it was like, we did not go into it thinking we were going to run 36 runs. We weren't, we were only going to run a couple here and there and then throw it the rest of the game. But you guys were able to hear that and we would try to say it in the right

way. So we're where like guys would go okay i understand why we're doing this let's buy into what we're doing and be really good at that and let's go win the game well with without a doubt and you know that's something that was on the wall when you'd walk in mental toughness doing what's best for the team when it isn't necessarily best for you that was something that we all knew going into every game that we were game plan offense so there were times where we didn't run the ball or where i had to run a bunch of go routes and clear out routes and all these routes and very few times all these routes you know yeah right all these you know those kind of routes but you, it was all for a reason because we were a game plan offense

to get back to it. And, you know, that's very different than a team that does what they do. There's like teams that are game plan teams that are complete. They throw the game plan out every post game. And then it's all brand new. That's kind of what we tried to do. And there was teams that did what they did. You know, Steelers on defense.

They run the same cover fucking four for the last 20 years. You know, so, like, it's one of those things. But that's tough, and that takes a lot of trust for coaching staff and the players that can handle that. You know, and we just so happened to always – that's what the types of teams we had, guys that understood that. It was tough to go in there and tell like dante yeah you know like you know because you're having this conversation you're

like okay well here we go like now i'm gonna go i'm about to go in there and tell the offensive line coach he's like one of the best offensive line coaches in the history of pro football that we are not going to run the ball in this game you know what i mean and you got to try to finesse it you know i mean it's kind of like telling your wife you want to go on like an extended golf trip you know what i mean like hey i would like to go to ireland with who you know what i mean and then you're like and then it's like how long and you're kind of like you're treading water you know and i remember going to talk to dante about it and he was like ever and i'm like no so i looked at my call sheet the other just just today and i'm like we had we had runs in and we ran a few we just didn't run a lot you

know i mean but the intention was to basically win with skill in the passing game yeah that was what the and to to slow down the rush by getting the ball out. Yeah. We didn't, we didn't think we're going to, we don't want to stand there and hold it forever. Cause it wasn't good. That was not going to be the,

that never worked for anybody that year against Baltimore. Without a doubt. You got any good Skarnakio stories? Funny ones. Coach Scar was, he's a legend. He's kind of like, yes,

I have, I have a great Skarnakio story. Yeah. He's kind of like. Yes, I have a great Scar neck history. Yeah. So Dante, Dante, every Friday when we would finish practice, right, that was our day as coaches, like, that we got out before, like, you know, it was close to midnight. Yeah. So we would, like, we would get in there.

We would grab our little fast, our, was the Fat Friday food. Right. And we'd come in and we would grab our little fast our uh was the fat friday food yeah right and we'd come in and we would like sit down and as soon as the tape was loaded up we were we were supposed to run through the film and then we hand the corrections that we like that we said we needed to make the next day when we watched it with you guys on saturday we would hand that to bill before we would leave we didn't have a staff meeting so it was like so the coaches were like get your food and get in there you know i mean like i'm gonna get out of here right so scar would always he would lay on the ground we would have the table here we'd be

watching the screen he would lay over here on the ground on his back right and dante was like you know by the end of the week we're all wiped wiped out, right? So Dante would be over here, and he would intermittently do sit-ups. And then when he wasn't doing sit-ups, he was asleep. And so, like, we would be watching a play, and it'd be like, you know, we'd miss a TE or something. And I always let the coaches, like, you guys say what the correction is. Yeah, yeah. You know, and the QC would be writing it down yeah and so we've got like and i have the clicker we watch it and like mr t nobody said anything rewind it nobody said anything again i'll look over there

dante's just like just cashed on the ground you know what i I mean? And then I'd go, just put, you know, handle the T-E on the right side. And then he'd go, yeah, handle the T-E. And then he would start doing sit-ups again. Until he would, you know, and then he would just, when he laid the head back down, he was going again. And then he would do sit-ups. That was his routine.

Scar would be the first one in the building, first off, because I remember when I first got... He made the coffee. Yeah. Yeah. I remember I was determined to be the first one in the building once. You better be there before four. Yeah, you had to get there at four. I got there at four to beat him one time my rookie year.

I was like, this is way too early. But he would get in this Swimex and he would swim like an Olympian in this Swimex for like 30 minutes. He had a crazy routine.

He was very fit. And that's why he's probably like 80 now. No, he's in his mid-70s. He's in his dad's age. And he looks great. Yeah, we have breakfast. He and Ivan and I have breakfast every once in a while.

Yeah. How's Coach Ives? Ives is great. Ives is great. Ives has lost a little weight. He's doing great. So he's, like, got this emeritus status. I don't understand.

Like, I keep asking him, like, how did you get that? Well, I know how he got it. But he, like, goes to the facility still. Oh, yeah. And, like, He eats breakfast. Then he'll get a workout in. Then he'll go to practice. Then he'll come in and eat lunch.

And then they'll take off. I'm like, that's a great day. That's a great day. It's Country Cubs. I've seen him there every time I visit. I was like, I thought you retired five years ago. He did. He did.

He's not going to Lifetime Fitness. He's absolutely not. No, he's eating for free. That's right. That's right. It's good for the soul. That's so dope. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente.

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Josh O.C., of course. Matty P.D.C. This was Jimmy G's rookie year. We lost some talent in the offseason. Lost Aqib Tlaib. Lost Brandon Spikes. Lost Logan Mankins. But replaced, sort of, not really replaced replaced but brought in daryl revis

brandon browner brandon lafell jung back re-signed jules big re-signing not bad not bad number one i remember when you were out there moonlighting in free agency yeah i remember that i was in san francisco some of the most sleepless nights of my career. Yeah, right. I was like, Bill, I was like, you can't let this guy go. We're just starting. Well, he's at the Giants. I went to the Niners. The Niners. Did you go to the Niners and the Giants?

I went Giants and then Niners. Niners offer me more money than I signed for. Well, I mean, the cost of living out there is exorbitant. You know what I mean? There's fine cheese out there is exorbitant. You know what I mean? It's just fine cheese out there. You and Harbaugh are in there talking numbers. Me and Harbaugh were talking numbers when he was fighting. Harbaugh was fighting with the GM.

Like, it's publicly known. Remember that with the Niners? Yeah. And he's over here asking me, how much you want? You know, we'll get it. We're like the only team in pro football that, like, built their offense around you. I know.

That's why we're a bad guy to build around. Yeah. Yeah, but when Josh first gets in there. I remember when you came and talked to me after the 12 season. Do you remember that? No. Was it 12 or 13? When I broke my foot?

No. 13? Your first good year was 13 they're like numbers wise yeah and you remember you you came and talked to me at the end of the year this is before free agency yeah and you said you said you know i i didn't know i thought i was going to be a billy o guy and i'm like i'm like well you don't have to be one or the other like i said you know like i will we'll make this fun and we did and yeah it was great but i remember you know, like we'll make this fun, and we did, and it was great.

But I remember you were nervous, like, about being a Billy O guy. I'm like, Billy O's one of my best friends. Like, you can be both. I know. You can be both, guy. We're different. I'd always yell at Josh, you know, like, you know, Billy O drafted me, but, you know,

you don't want to give him my opportunity, bro. He earned his opportunity. Hey, 105 catches in 2013. 105 catches. 105 ain't bad. Shit, someone had to break him back. Someone had to murder someone, and someone had to tear some groins for that to happen, but shit. We're here in back bay still.

We're still in the back bay. I didn't say that. We're in the back bay. Josh brought in Dola. He brings in... He brought in... I remember the first year he sat back. It wasn't Josh. First year he comes back. There was like, we brought in Dante.

We brought in, what is his name? Anthony. Dante. Stallworth. Stallworth. Yeah. We brought in Jabbar. We were bringing in all the old guys.

I'm sitting here. That's why I didn't, I really didn't like Josh at first. I'm like, these guys are already trying to replace me. I thought I was going to be, you know. Then all the old guys come in. That's just being a young football player. Yeah. You don't really know.

You learn. You learn. You learn. Now, what's the relationship with the coaching staff, developing with Belichick? You know, what's that? How was that room? You guys were all cool.

Was it all like he's the principal, you guys are all the teachers? Like, what was the dynamic of that? Just the coaching room, the locker room. You mean like the meeting room where we had our staff meetings and all that? Just that community, you guys' community. There's the player community, there's the medical community, the coaches are our own community. It was very, very organized,

and we always knew kind of like you know what was coming next you know um our schedule was no different than yours in terms of like when we had to be where next and all the rest of it um i thought he did a tremendous job of of he we we understood what was going on at each step of the year as it went as, as well as I'm sure any other staff does because he included us. So like when it was free agency or when we were preparing for the draft or when there was a contract issue with somebody or, you know, he didn't just like, we just didn't like have to read it on the internet yeah

you know i mean he included us in there and he and i thought that was helpful because it was helping coaches that we didn't know any of this stuff yeah we were getting prepared for you know young coaches getting prepared to take a step forward and all that because we we were learning the calendar year we were learning all the things that happened we're learning some of the things the ways that that those things got resolved which was great um i thought our staff meeting room was very comfortable like people think of him as like this real like you know hard to be yourself around kind of guy and it was like almost the opposite for us like we go in the staff meeting and you just you're you if you you know pepper would have a big cup of meat like he'd have like steak and chicken

and stuff be eaten and you know other dante would be doing sit-ups and you know i mean like you could kind of be yourself and bill bill was a bill was an assistant for a long time yeah so he understood like we're not all going to be the same. Yeah. And what he did such a tremendous job of was he asked for input, and he'd say, hey, let's go over where we're at on the roster, you know, after the first two weeks of training camp. Okay?

And so we would meet as an offensive staff, and we would go through the players and say, hey, you know, Julian's having a great camp. He's in good shape, you know, healthy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, here's the plan going forward with every player. Yeah. With everybody. And then we would present it to him and he was the best listener. That's what the magic for him was. He really, he really, cause he gave away the responsibility to do that. And then when we came together, that's when he listened. And he was so intent on gathering what you had that he didn't have. He didn't know. He wasn't in the receiver room.

He wasn't with us in our walkthroughs or anything like that. So he didn't really have that intimate knowledge. And then he would just take it in and try to help himself make good decisions. And that's what, you know, it baffles me on this whole narrative that everyone has on Coach Belichick that he's not inclusive. Or, you know, like it's just what everyone thinks. Oh, he's so old school. You know, he doesn't listen to other people.

It's his way. Well, like he was honestly, he was a guy that would take information from anyone. I remember he would come up to me during the middle of the game. What are you seeing? And if you gave him the right information, he'd keep coming back to you. Yeah, you remember he would tell us, I'm going to come ask you. Just don't make up a story. Just don't make up a story because if you do that once,

then he'll never come back to you. Yeah, just don't make up a story. But he was going to rely on the players because you're out there on the field. You see it better than we do. All we can see up a story. But he was going to rely on the players because you're out there on the field. You see it better than we do. Like, all we can see is a picture. So it's crazy that there's this narrative ever since, you know, he hasn't been the head coach where, you know, like, oh, he, you know, it's his way or the highway.

Like, anytime you hear any sport talk people talking about it, they're like, oh, this guy doesn't listen to nobody. He does it all this. You know, it's just crazy to me. How long did it take for you to gain his trust, though? You know, I mean, my first few years I was on defense. You know, from 01 to 03, I was the lowest guy on the totem pole for sure. Which was common.

He would always cross coach the coaches, which is genius. That's great yeah we uh i you know my first i i realized my first year his thing was you're gonna do work at the standard that we expect and the reason he expected it was because we're not gonna be able to win championships unless we all produce work at this level and so i was doing the pads when i was younger um which you had to draw the whole game and then input it all accurately if you made any errors at all like he would hand the pad back to you when it was done when you handed it to him that was just the beginning then it would come back to you and like my first one came back to me and there was like 70 yellow

sticky notes little ones with like uh this guy was on the numbers he wasn't plus two you know or this he was a three technique you had him as a two eye or whatever and he was basically telling me with that like we see it all this is how we do work here and so i learned that and then by the end of my first year i was much i was much closer to what he wanted um and then you know i was able to to work with rack and mangini and those guys on defense and bill for three years that's the m word around here what's that oh all right eric all right and then the m word and and rob ryan and pepper and those guys that was a good defensive staff and bill was in there a lot so i was able to see that and then we had a great team which i learned a lot from guys like lawyer and bruski and rabel and mcginnis and being able to see the way they received the

information was great too and then i'd say you know at the end of the 03 super bowl he met with me the next day and he asked me if i would be ready to make the flip and go coach the quarterbacks in 04 and so i hope at some point after during that year one that I kind of earned his trust in terms of the way I would work and what my standard personally was going to be. Yeah. And then it just kind of carried from there. A lot of yellow stickies. A lot of yellow stickies. One wrong, all wrong.

At first. At first. Then it changes. Everyone's mistake makes mistake. The good ones learn from it. Yeah. Don't make the same mistake. Emailing is the best part of the process if you learn from it. If ones learn from it. Yeah. The same mailing is the best part of the process.

If you learn from it, if you learn from it, that's right. Is that a bit of like a make it moment when Bill asked you to switch onto the offensive side that I feel like that, or I think there was a, I don't, I don't think you've ever really made it.

I think it was a, I felt very proud of having the opportunity that he was about to give me. But I didn't, that didn't, that doesn't amount to anything until you go do the job. You know, so I was excited about it. And I was happy that he would think enough of me to give me a chance to do it. But there was a lot of work to be done after that. How many times do you sleep at the facility never is there who i go home i i go home were there guys that were notorious maddie p was

there oh there was people that did but i just even if i was going to go home for four hours i was going home i was gonna i walked into each one of my kids rooms every night and just did the right thing as a dad yeah and you know i mean sleep in my own bed you know and make sure that i saw him you know at some point that's what you gotta i mean some people do it the other way i just feel like there's something to be said about that definitely definitely jackie let's get into the game set the stage all right patriots entered this thing number one seed in the afc as we talked talked about. Ravens entered number six, came off a win in Heinz Field, beat the number three Pittsburgh Steelers 30-17 in the wild card round.

So we got to buy the Patriots, we, that is. Got to buy coming into this week. That was that crazy, didn't Flacco hit a deep sideline pass to the Jacoby guy? No, that was in 12. 12. Yes, okay, now I remember that one. Patriots clinched in week 15 of this season their sixth AFC East title. And leading up to this one, it was a cold day, baby.

20 degrees, but it was like 8 with the feels like at kickoff. And another one of these great Ravens-Patri the feels like at kickoff. So, uh, and another one of these, these great Ravens Patriots battles, like we talked about. Can you explain to the listener, like how we took these, these bi-weeks? Yeah,

it was, uh, going into the playoffs. Yeah. And, and we were, look, we were fortunate that we had more than one.

Yeah. Like some teams, you know, you do everything you can to get one, and that's great, and you make the most of it. I think people always assimilate the bye week with, well, we're going to rest up and get healthy. And that's true, but I think we always thought of the bye week as,

okay, what can we do during the bye week to make sure that we're going to have give ourselves a chance to have some advantage depending on who we play self-scout yes and bill was great you know for years he had always told us this was like i would say after thanksgiving he would he always talked to us about listen you know if we can find anything that is unscouted that we can work on for these next four or five weeks that might give us an advantage in january let's start doing it and so we would practice you know we would practice things gadget stuff etc you know maybe some tempo things, low red zone, whatever, that we weren't necessarily going to run on December 10th

or December 17th. We were getting them ready. Yeah. And then during the bye week, we would really apply those to the opponent we were going to play or had a chance to play yeah you know because we didn't know who it was going to be but um he he was really good at that and so we always took time to try to do that we didn't just like hey guys make sure you get treatment and get some rat it

was it was always a purposeful bye week you know hey we're not doing this as well as we need to be doing it so like we're going to do a blitz drill you know and make sure that we're good on our protections on third down we're going to do a cover one period you know because we know we're going to have to beat man coverage in the playoffs or we're going to do a third and goal period in the red zone because we know those plays are going to be huge factors in winning and losing in the playoffs and and for us we always had a period where it was like is there any gadgets or little different plays we could run gadgets being trick plays yeah that might be able to give us you know just an advantage a big play some momentum

something what about this formation breakdown remember when i think who who brought we talk about baltimore and raven baltimore and ra Raven? Baltimore and Raven. So this was during the bye week, and he brought it up, and we saw it in an Alabama game. So Alabama scored, I believe it is, against LSU. They did something very similar where the tight end lined up as a tackle. They took a lineman out, and somebody reported ineligible so we were like that's a pretty good idea you know and i think the execution of the whole like the linemen coming out of the game like the lining up in the formation and not acting like we did like we just robbed a

bank yeah was important yeah you know i mean be good actors we did and like we so we that's where we chose who was going to do it and so vereen who loves shane vereen to this day you know is like he's the like you're gonna report ineligible you have to go to the official i remember having the conversation and you have to tell them this i am reporting ineligible i'm an ineligible player you know and i remember vinovich was like okay and i i think his you know his wheels were turning i don't remember if bill told him before the game or not but then when shane went to do it he did it but they lined up to us like we were in a normal formation yeah and there we got three i think we got three plays and the big thing was bill made bill made the call on that

hold it until the second half hold it to the second half he didn't want them talking about it at halftime oh so he wanted he wanted and we did this off and on anyway like we would hold something just so you you couldn't have a 12-minute meeting and say look if this comes up again here's what we're gonna do you have to do it on the sideline and you know scrambling on the scrambling on the sidelines a little different than doing it in the whiteboard at halftime what situation do you have to be in to like kind of apply these gadget plays like down by 14 like what's the kind of like no i think i think honestly as a as a coach when you're calling it i think honestly at the end of the day it's kind of like

a feel thing yeah you know for me i always kind of did it in two two different ways one of two different ways either we have some momentum and i'm going for the cherry on top of the sundae. Or we need to create momentum. Or we don't have any momentum and I need it back quick. Like it was one or the other. You know what I mean? Like you remember in the AFC Championship game against Kansas City, how many times did we call the flea flicker to get it?

We killed it like four times in the game and finally got it in overtime and we we he threw it away because it was covered decent but i was like i'm i'm trying i'm trying to get it again and again and again and we didn't ever really got it until we got the overtime so i think it's just one of those things where you kind of got to feel one of the other either you're going for the jugular or you need to save yourself. Yeah. You need to save yourself. You need an extra life.

That's right. Eat that mushroom like in Mario. That's right. And yeah, to provide a little context here to what Josh mentioned and broke down with Baltimore and Raven, it was a November 2014 game. Bama, LSU helped Bama. Bama pulled it out in overtime.

Lane drew it up in OT. Blake Sims to Brandon Green for 24 yards, got him down to the one. And that's what helped him win the game. Pulled out in OT. It was pretty crazy. Lane Kiffin designed that, huh? You think Lane designed that? I wonder.

Was it with Lane? It was with Lane, yeah. So Lane was there in 14? Yep. Lane called it. Yeah. That didn't surprise me. Lane's a good coach.

Lane, he always finds smooth ass shit. Another great visorman. Another great rider of the visor. You guys in a visor group chat? Group chat like visor coach? Yeah, we're going to visor this. You have to wear your visor to do the group chat? Or can you be in the group chat without having a visor?

That's the group chat name. You know how many of those I have in my office? Probably a million. And there's different years, too, because they change. Yeah. They change. And you get like the – he'd have like the military visor or like the breast cancer.

I like the – I wore the breast cancer like a pin. I didn't like the other stuff. The pinks. Nah, I'm with you. I love laying up. Did you get a look – because Bill would drop the visor every once in a while in a Miami game. Did you ever give him a look like coach? Nope.

It's my thing. No, I just, no. Because maybe your daughter up in the stands would be like, Mistaken you for Bill. Nobody wore the white with the white. So I was good there. Got to coordinate, baby. He doesn't have the white sleeves.

I know. It's all right. You're not alright. You're not stealing me. Not swagger jacking. Did the hoodie sleeves ever get OD blown out when you push them up or no? They'd bounce back? Oh, never. They'd bounce back? Okay. No, because I always wore it was like a tighter...

Every once in a while, you'd have to cut the little edge just so it wasn't like when you're done with the game, your veins are ready to take an IV. Yeah, you'd have to cut the little edge just so it wasn't like when you're done with the game, like your veins are ready to take an IV. I would always keep my tape on for my IV because it'd make me look way more veinier. I want to be looking tight. Look, guys, I took a shot.

No, it was because you lose your circulation, then your veins would get even crazier. You're great. Should we get into this game a little bit? Yes. All right. Back to this cold, cold day in Foxborough. The field's like it's eight at kickoff.

It's freezing. And back to our boy, Bill Benavich, is reffing this thing. Yep. The Ravens come into Foxborough, start out hot. Flacco completes his first eight passes, gets two on the board quick. Kamar Aiken, Steve Smith

Smith beats Darrell Rivas for the first time Like ever in that matchup That dates back to Jets against Panthers Bucks against Panthers Rivas had his number man but Steve got him for a couple and got him for a TD there Then the Pats get back on there

With a Brady rushing Touchdown, cuts it to there with a Brady rushing touchdown, cuts it to seven. Then a Dole at TD, ties it back up, erased the first 14-point deficit. Then before the half, Tom throws a brutal pick, which leads to an Owen Daniels TD. Jack said brutal.

Brutal, sorry. He said that. He said it was a brutal pick. You didn't say it was a brutal pick, and I didn't say it was a brutal pick. I didn't say it was a brutal pick at all. I just read that it was a brutal pick. You didn't say it was a brutal pick, and I didn't say it was a brutal pick. I didn't say it was a brutal pick at all. Jack. I just read that it was an interception.

He said it was a brutal pick. Tom, if you're watching, Jack said this is a brutal pick. Situationally, it was kind of brutal. I mean, when I see over the middle, I'm no O.C. You know, the interesting part about that was, and this is probably as bad of a circumstance that we had, I bet you that you and I can remember. We had run four plays, and we were down 14-0.

Yeah, we didn't have the ball. Well, they scored, and then we got the ball back. We got a first down. Then we went first, second, third down, punted it. Then they scored again. So it was like 14-0, and I remember the feeling in the stadium, you know, because you could start to feel the panic a little bit, and you could hear those little murmurs like,

uh-oh, are we going to get blown out here? We had that in the back of our mind because they blew the brakes off us in 09, my rookie year. We were 14 to nothing, and we had run four plays. And I remember going, we got to score on this drive. You probably thought to yourself, thank God we didn't have to run the ball on this one. Well, I was just looking down there where it says,

Brandon Bolden was our leading rusher for three carries, seven yards. Now, can you explain to the listener when you're down 14 points in a must-win game, a win-or-go-home game, what do you do as a play caller? Are you throwing that script completely out? Are you going back to fundamental plays that you know that we know how to work? What was the mindset when we go down 14 the first time, not even the second time, and then, you know, transitioning after when we got it to the second time? I think the first time, when you're, first of all, we have to have poise if we're going to ask you to have poise. So, I mean, I can't lose my mind on the sideline and then tell you guys to be calm on the field.

So I think for me in those types of situations, it's stick with what we're going to do. We don't even have enough evidence to make a change. Like we've run four plays. So should I switch the game plan? I don't know. We haven't done anything. So to me, we don't have enough evidence for me to make a decision like that. So it's basically, hey, calm down.

Let's just try to get one on the board and keep playing. We've got a long way to go, which we did. And then you make it 14-7. We got a little confidence. Now we know we can drive the ball on them. And then eventually we tie it up at 14. But I've always felt like the biggest tug of war you go through as the play caller in an elimination game

is doing something that's not in your comfort zone. Like you want to hurry up and get 14 points on the board. Like there's no, I don't have any calls on the call sheet, so I'm not going to go to my chunk passes and and shot playlist and call like four of them in a row and hope that I, they all work. Yeah. Like you can't, you start playing the game like that. The next thing you know, you're going to get sacked or strip sacked or throw an interception or turn the ball over.

And now it's like being in quicksand when you're in elimination game, the more you struggle, the quicker you go down. And so to me, that took me a little while to learn that. Take a deep breath and stay with it. You guys are good enough on the field. You're going to make plays. Let's just call the things that are. Now, if there was an adjustment that we felt like we had to make,

then you make it. But we didn't have enough evidence right there but i think you got to try to you know you got to try to slow your breathing down honestly and just go to the next series and see if we can string together some good plays yeah it's exactly what we had to do and i always remember i always remember you saying in all our comeback from behind victories that you you know we can't win it all in one play no you can't you can't get the points one play so if we all collectively do our job one play at a time yep that's when we're going to give ourself the best opportunity to go out and win that's right you know and that's kind of what we did now what are the halftime adjustments going

in after this so you know you had in the back pocket we had our formations we had raven and we talked about them yeah i remember putting that on the board like hey all right we held these purposefully baltimore raven is there any questions on what we're going to do with the operation okay i think i even put up there like just be ready on the double pass yeah you know and then we talked about a couple other things because they were playing a little bit more man-to-man coverage than we thought they would. So I felt like there wasn't a lot of adjusting to what they were doing because I think we were dictating it because we were throwing. We were just throwing.

That's what we were doing. So I don't feel like it was like a crazy big, like, hey, let's swing this, other than we knew we were going to spring something on them that we hadn't done yet. Yeah. That was the big thing. The two drives that really put us in the second hole was when we got the ball back in the second quarter with a minute 40 something left and it was

tied and we didn't do what we always try to do, which is take the last shot and score something. Yeah. And then we go three and out to start the third quarter. It was like the game could have been completely different in our favor. That's how it goes. And yet we didn't take advantage of the opportunities with this possessions, you know, and so now we end up, you know, falling behind by another 14.

By another 14. The Justin Forsett TD from Flacco after a three and out to start the third. But get back into it with a Gronk TD. Cuts it to 28-21. Then with 420 left in the third. After we scored that touchdown, I remember that's when you came up to me. I did. I said, do you need any lead time for the double pass?

And you said, what? And I said, do I have to tell you that it's coming? Meaning like, do you need to take your red gloves off or whatever? It's exactly that way. Your cutters or whatever they are. Like, what do you do? Do I need to tell you that this is coming? Fuck no.

Five minutes in advance? You were like, no, no, no. Yeah, that's what you said. Just throw it. Just call it whenever you want. I were like, no, no, no. Yeah, that's what you said. Just throw it. Just call it whenever you want. I'm like, okay. You know, so we did. Yeah, that was the first touchdown was when we actually did the Raven-Baltimore formation the first time.

First time. We were down by 14. And then when we scored one, that's when we went with the double pass. The double pass. Speaking of double pass. Which we had actually called earlier in the season. Against the Chiefs. Against the Chiefs.

That's right. We just didn't throw it over there. We called it. And, you know. It was Dola going to throw it, wasn't it? Was it you or Dola? I don't remember. I watched this morning.

It was going to be you. Okay. But Dola was like saying. It was man-to-man coverage. Man-to-man coverage. Like we couldn't do it. Dola was trying to call you off when you were in motion. Yeah.

Can we go into the second time i threw the football oh 2019 in philly philly yeah we can do that that was a great story so jules's story jules has told his side i've told my side plenty i'd love to hear your side i don't know if my memory's really fucked up no you you got it right The night before the game. Yeah. This is the story. Yeah. So we, well, this wasn't the same play. No, it was a different play. Throw it here, throw it back, et cetera.

Set up the catch and run. And in the, we always did like a little ballroom, which always felt like you guys loved that. I loved it too. Just to reiterate. It was almost like a very comforting feeling when you walked out of there like we all we all got it yeah we all got it and it was loose and yeah and so but it wasn't always loose depending on like the games sometimes we go in there running hard and stuff no but that was that was but but i don't think we ever went in

there like it wasn't like a big like it wasn't like a big like teaching session at all it was i would call the play you guys would get on you would do it and walk through it and that was it but if you had like a new player coming in that had a big role that was different you know like if he was nervous we and we were all kind of watching them too as well julian julian well i'll tell me to tell two stories quickly. When he came back in 2000. 2018. Okay. So the walkthrough, because we played on a Thursday night,

so we didn't have practice. We didn't have any practice that week because it was just walkthroughs. I had no live. He does the hotel walkthrough, and he's soaked. Because he's running routes in the ballroom like but tom's with nobody else and tom always had like a little lacrosse ball and he would bounce it to you to like show you and julian is literally like you could see everything like he was just drenched and i remember the other guys were like looking at him like what is going on

with this guy i'm like yeah he's a little he's he's obsessive compulsive right now i think he needs to play a game is what i need to play a game oh my god dialed up a wheel for you on the first position hey walk through like you play baby so so anyway the philly so the philly game was the second throw that night in the hotel the night before the game, we walked through it. Tom bounces the ball to Julian. Julian gets the ball, and then he looks and throws it to Phil.

Phil's just wandering up the field trying to get the defense to come this way, and Philly catches it, and I look at him and I'm like, don't you fucking do that. Just throw the ball over there. Just throw the ball. And I think we actually did it again just so he would do it right.

You know what I mean? And then we get in the game and he gets the ball and he looks down the field and Philly's open. And then he lets it go. And I'm just like, and then he caught it. And I'm like, I don't know. Those are the ones as coaches where you're just like that's a hell of a play thing is if i would have flipped my hips guy was my face i would have got you got you did get i got drilled he got

drilled drilled i come running off when i come running off you're fucking dangerous you're you are dangerous i did you're dangerous but that was all I remember because you were the only one that threw a touchdown pass that game. Oh, yeah. So I remember like, and then he would come in the next day and he would put ice. He would have his shoulder wrapped in ice in the TV room. And he would sit in the front, you know, but like, yeah, I got to, you know. I'd always come in like the last person to come in too. And Brady would just be like.

I'm like, coach, you got the door. Don't worry. Jim, you got that ice. Brady would just be like. I'm like, coach, you got the door. Don't worry. Jim, you got that ice? Gotta take care of that. Sometimes I have the training staff call me ice me in front of everyone. Looking like you just threw a complete game shutout. Yeah, literally.

Like it's Randy Johnson after a nine inning. Oh my, I will say that pass, the you're dangerous Maverick moment in Philly, put Jules at five of six, 141 yards, and two TDs as a passer. There you go. What was his rating? Had to be exceptional. Had to be amazing.

Yeah, we had the one in the Super Bowl to Dion. Oh, man. He was close to it. He almost made that. He almost made that catch. I shouldn't have thrown it. That was nuts. What do you mean?

Was he open? Yeah, he got him. It was like just by him. The guy did a good job of have thrown it. That was nuts. What do you mean? Was he open? Yeah, he got him. It was like just by him. The guy did a good job of peeling on it. Yeah. But the rest of the defense was over there. That game was a blur. 158.3.

That's pretty good. That's perfect. Is that perfect? That's perfect. Someone say that's pretty good. Not too shabby, bro. Someone say. Let's get back into the game.

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Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, so we're moving here into the third quarter. We talked the Gronk TD cuts it back to 28-21. 420 left in the fourth is the double pass moment. No, in the third. In the third, in the third, in the third. 420 sudden.

Ooh. No, I'm not. I mean. Coach knows. Coach knows, baby. He made third. In the third. In the third. 4-27. Ooh. No, I'm not. I mean. No, Coach knows. Coach knows, baby. You made me watch the game again. I got this in my head. Yeah, no, it's just in there, you know.

Everyone talks about, you know, these offensive geniuses. They always have this. They could just. They know the plays. And then later, after that, game's tied back up 28-28. Flacco throws a pick. His first pick in a long time in the playoffs. Yep, Devin. And couldn't capitalize on it. Noacco throws a pick. His first pick in a long time in the playoffs. Yep, Devin.

And couldn't capitalize on it. No. Punt. Give him back the ball. Field goal. Down 31-28 at this point. Then in the fourth, get the ball with 10 minutes left. Go on a nice 10-play 74-yard over five-minute drive

that ends in a JoJo LaFell touchdown. Up 35-31. Yep. That was the drive of the game. It was. It was really, and it was all passing, you know. And I remember the one thing about that drive was we didn't need to do anything in a hurry.

So trying to force the ball to go further down the field and take more chances holding on to it longer yeah was not really something that we had to do because we only needed to score once yeah so it was like okay like we can take a three-step we can hit something short which goes into play calling adjusting you know he had to adjust josh had to adjust from being down 14 yep the psychological battles of keeping the team that a we're sticking with what we're doing then being down 14 again we're you know we're we're trying to fight for time this that to now reverse engineering it to like all, now time's on our side. We don't have to rush. No.

Which is – And it helps the protection. Helps protection. Because we're going to take short profits and do that. And I thought that was a methodical, like you said, 10 plays, five minutes. We're just trying to take the profit, keep moving it down the field. And then when we had our one chance you know joe had single coverage i believe it was cover one and you know we you know tommy made a great throw and jojo made

a great catch so um it was it was different the mindset of that drive was like just keep we don't have to do we don't need two touchdowns we already started feeling the momentum coming though yeah we did you know and the momentum's real when you feel that. And the momentum fuels the confidence of the unit that's out there. The loudest I've ever heard that stadium was when you threw the double pass and scored. I've never heard that stadium. That stadium has been loud a number of times in our lives.

That was the loudest noise that I personally had heard. Like, because it was almost like, you know, like we, we came back once, then we're down to touch. And so they're like,

Oh no, not again. And we come back again. And, and to do it that way with you hitting Dan, I mean, that was as noisy as I think I can ever remember it. That was,

that was a fun, that was a fun play. But it wasn't over. Before we do that, we have players on. We like to walk through a specific moment, generally from the big game. We've heard Jules' perspective. We've heard Danny Amendola's perspective of that play. I'd love to hear your beat-by-beat perspective of that double pass play.

So down seven. Then they punted, got the ball back. I remember it was ready, and I had already checked with Bill. You know, like, we're good. He goes, whenever, you know, whatever you want to do it, I'm good. And, you know, because I always felt like whenever you're running something that's a little bit screwy, you know, just you better check with your big boss and make sure that you're not doing it and he doesn't want you to, like, fake puns and, you know.

So he already signed off whenever he wanted to. And I just didn't feel right about doing it. Not, like, I wanted to get a first down and then do it. Yeah. I didn't want to do it, it like the first play of the drive i didn't want to do it on second and eight like after the first play of the drive i wanted to like can we get a first down and then once we get the first down let's try it you know what i mean and so we did we got a first down and then i think it was right around midfield and it was kind of the right time to do it and dean acquiesced he brought the star blitz

off the side that we threw the ball to he gave us we didn't know we were going to get that but it made the play better because we only had one guy out there that we needed to block and it wasn't two and so was that gronk out there i think it was gronk out there and then danny did a good job of hesitating and going by but you know after i asked him if he was if he needed any lead time he said no bill had already you know signed off on the whole thing and i just really wanted to get a first down so it wasn't so like almost like desperate like we got to try this right off the bat yeah you know i mean i wanted to kind of thirsty yeah get a get a little get a little bit of a momentum going in the drive and then give ourselves a chance to see if we could hit it so and it was perfect because it was on our sideline

i love doing those things when they're on your sideline so when you're seeing when i'm going over emotion what's going through your mind it's not man and then when i saw the guy start to creep in and he was gonna blitz i'm like i don't know we couldn't have drawn up a better like them playing a better defense for the play it was really just gonna matter whether the corner bit it or he didn't yeah and you know danny did a good job of bluffing it and then went by. You mentioned, you know, wanting to do a play like that after first down and doing it on your own sideline. These little details, is that, like, to factor in with your play calling, is that innate?

Is that something with reps? Like, where do you pick up those little details when it comes into your craft of play calling? I think it's just probably experience, you know. I don't like – I think when you're coming off the sideline and, like, the defense is kind of ready for almost anything experience you know um i don't like i think when you're coming off the sideline and like the defense is kind of ready for almost anything you know like i don't think that's a great time to like spring your craziest play on them all the time i think it's almost like you run a play you run a second play oh you got a first down so they're kind of like all right

they're just driving the ball they're just trying to do the same stuff they've been doing, throwing the ball here, dink and dunk, which is what I wanted them to be thinking. And they got, so we get a first down and we're into a drive. The defensive coordinator, he knows we're not going fast. He's into his drive now. You know what I mean? Meaning?

Meaning Dean's, you you know you kind of get into a rhythm of the drive itself each drive is different and so we first down play huddle second down play first down go back to the huddle you know i mean so now dean's in his rhythm too and so um again the it just i thought that was a better way to do it honestly than go out there and be desperate and try to hurry up and get to it and you know people don't realize these you know i i don't know where how it's in other places but there's a department that studies and gives everyone around the league what they're doing to our coaches, and they look at it. These guys study it so that you could always see when it's the best opportunity.

He's probably seen this situation go down. It may not be the specific trick play, but a different trick play that a team off of a big play makes another big play, feels desperate. So these guys, they're always watching the game, and that's how they get their experiences not only through coaching it but watching other coaches the great coaches will use their experiences and implicate it into their own and i've made i've i've i've called

enough plays you know and made enough mistakes when i was younger you know to like all right well that sucked you know i mean like that totally wasn't the right time to younger, you know, to like, all right, well, that sucked. You know, I mean, like that totally wasn't the right time to do that, you know, and you just, I think learning through your failings as you're, as you're going is a helpful thing. So you have a little bit of wisdom, you know, after you've put enough pelts on the wall, you know, where now you kind of know, like, that's, i remember not to do that because of this game and i tried it and it backfired you know and the other thing i would say about this is and you would attest to this we practiced those things and we didn't act like they

were like so special that it was like impossible for us to succeed at them i treated those things like almost like a play action pass. Yeah. Like a flea flicker or a double. Like if you rep it enough, what's the difference? Like other than the ball handling. Yeah. But I trusted you enough and we'd repped it enough where I was like,

I didn't call it and go like this. Yeah. Like what's going to happen? I called it going as long as the defense is going to give it to us, I've seen us execute this many times. Look at it. He's got this smile like, yeah, tell them how many times I hit it in practice. I think I overthrew him three or four times.

Shitty in practice. You wore gloves too, right? Yeah. He did. Because you always shit on quarterbacks when they wear their gloves. Yeah, but I'm not going to take my glove off. Well, that's why. That's the thing is you take it off.

Then these guys are. Baltimore might have been perceptive enough to go. 100% He took his fucking glove off. Yep. This guy, Michael Jackson. Yeah. Out there, gloveless like Vlad Guerrero.

Come on now. Yeah, but to Coach's point, I think that's cool, that's cool that like, it's not one of these like super trick plays and like crazy things. Cause we were watching, we did the, uh, the AFC championship in, in Arrowhead with Ernie and there was a flea flicker on that drive in OT. Yeah. Like just a regular play. Like that's, that's a testament to that. I think it's just practice.

And it was like a comfort level for you as the play caller. Like, I don't feel like I'm about to mess the game up because I've watched us and I trust our guys enough and trust you guys to do it. And you don't either. You're not thinking like, oh, God, he called a flea flicker. You're just like, it is what it is. He's got to block the goddamn safety.

That's right. He calls the fly. Pittsburgh Steelers. And yeah, but to get back to this drive, next-gen stats will tell us this was the first time a player in a playoff game has had a nine-yard reception and a 51-yard TD in the same drive.

It's next-gen stats for you guys at home. Jack with the glazing. Jack, that's a good... That'll never happen again, ever. That's like Haley's Comet. Nobody's ever going to have a nine-yard reception and a 51-yard TD pass in the same drive, in the same divisional round.

He knows, Josh knows his shit, because I remember it was, what is it, Indianapolis where I housed a punt, I scored on a slant, and then I almost broke the reverse. In 2012. Yeah, and I come off to the sideline, and he comes up to me, he goes,

man, you couldn't get three more yards? You would have been the only person in the history of the game at that time. Throw one, return one, and rush one. Hitting for the cycle, that would have been sick. I know. Didn't McCaffrey just run, catch, and throw recently? Yeah, it happened. Last year?

It happened, but at that point, it didn't. Should we put a bow on this bad boy? Let's put a bow on it. All right, so Flacco leads him down. Nine plays, 53 yards. Gets in territory. Daron Harmon with the pick. Picky. Punt. Closer. So Flacco leads him down. Nine plays, 53 yards. Gets in territory. Duran Harmon with the pick. Picky.

Punt. Closer. A lot of them. He had a lot of that. Beast, bro. Beast. Closer. Flacco gets the ball back, though.

Tries a Hail Mary. Unsuccessful. Pats win 35-31. Logan Ryan. We're going. Thank God he pushed the guy at the end. Smart play. Yeah, that was.

Logan Ryan is a smart football player. Yep. Very. Anything, just because you that was – Logan Ryan is a smart football player. Yep, very. Anything, just because you're a coach, you're a smart guy, anything we missed from this game that you want – you did some preparation that you'd want to make sure we hit that we didn't talk about already? No, I mean, you guys kind of got the idea of the opponent, kind of got the – our game plan was very unique.

You know, we didn't intend on going in there and trying to, you know to mash it at them, running the ball and all that. I don't believe that was the deal. And then the gadget stuff, and we talked about the swings and all that. But, I mean, I knew this. I felt getting ready for this game. They were the sixth seed.

I felt like this is probably the best team that we're gonna play in the afc in the afc well that's how it always was with baltimore i did i felt like i didn't know who would be in the other game you know i think indy beat denver yeah denver wasn't denver yet this this team was really something and then indy was soft as cat shit oh Oh, big time. 45-7. 45-7. Soft. Put my... God, soft. But back to this one real quick.

We mentioned it earlier in this game, the disparity between running and passing. Tom Brady threw the ball 50 times in this one. 50 times. Blacko threw it 45, so if you like... How many runs did we run? They technically 13 13 because they credit brady with six rushes but i mean really seven like you said seven runs uh brandon bolden three

for seven and a rushing touchdown yeah brady that those were like his most proud moments when he ran those he's a thousand yard rusher oh we we know oh we know we we heard about it in those walkthroughs night before games with the lacrosse ball. So was he with the kneel downs? He was deliberately doing those really close so he wasn't losing yards towards the end of his career? Was he? It looked like it. I don't think he was doing that.

I don't have enough information. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know the answer to that question. Patriots would go on to beat the soft, soft Indianapolis Colts 45-7 They were really good football teams but I just was always mad at them I know, we like to rag on them on this pod

but we do it in jest we're just joking The Pats would go on to win their fourth Super Bowl beating the Seahawks 28-24 with Malcolm Butler's huge interception there at the end. His rookie year undrafted free agent. And Brady would set the record for most TV.

He went right to Malcolm Butler. He skipped you. My bad, my bad. That's all good. That was a fucking historic play. I know. That was an unbelievable play. Oh, my goodness.

It changed lives. I mean, speaking of it, that was the start of the second part of the dynasty. Took the words right out of my mouth, Jules. Yep. Kicked off Dynasty 2.0. What were your thoughts going in after we won that first one? Do you think

we had the legs to keep doing it? I mean, you never know. You never know. That's hard to say. I mean, I knew that certainly having Tommy, you always had a chance. Yeah. And I knew that a decent chunk of our core guys were back. So we were excited to have a shot, but you never know.

I mean, I always tell everyone, I think the best team that I was on was that 15 team. It was a good team. We started 10-0. But we were blowing teams out that year. Remember Dion? Dion came out. Dion was right at the beginning of the year.

Then he tore his knee. Soldier tears his arm. I'd break the foot. But, like, we were – if we would have stayed – that's what the people don't realize. You have to have that – you have to have the health bug on your side. You do. You know, going into –

No, two years are the same like that. It's so hard. That's why this is really impressive what the Chiefs are doing. Yeah. You watch this, and it's hard to bet against them this year. Like, I honestly believe, and I know they've had relatively a healthy... They've had a healthy two years,

if you think of, like, their cornerstone players. Yeah. And any time that we didn't do it is because we had a healthy two years, if you think of their cornerstone players. Yeah. Any time that we didn't do it, it was because we had a cornerstone player go down or something along those lines. And they're in that feng shui of where we were, where if we're playing our best game, it doesn't matter what it looks like in September.

We're just at the point where we're still learning our team because we've lost a bunch of guys or a bunch of coaches. Kind of use that. And then you develop your team in the middle chunk of the season. Then you start sharpening the knives when you get into that 15, 16, 17th week. And then by then, it's hard to bet against us or them. That's where they're at in their career because of, you know, the quarterback they have.

Their program. Their program. They have a good program. It's been, you know, 10-plus years in the making, and they know what they're doing. They know what they're doing. The stability of the organizations, you know, that can get to that point is really a huge advantage for them.

It is. Now, what's more impressive, this double comeback or Super Bowl comeback? I think Baltimore's defense, in my opinion, was like I thought Matt Ryan was playing an exceptional level. The Falcons were a really good team. I don't think their defense, if you put those two defenses on paper, you would say that that defense was better than the baltimore one it was not yeah so doing it against the ravens in that group with that group of players that they had um that was that was probably the tougher

group we had to have so many things go right for us or so many things we had to do without having anything go wrong in the Falcons game. Yeah. We just couldn't. We were up against it. It was like, if we make any mistakes here, we're dead. You know what I mean? And so the fact that we were able to do that,

I think it was probably more unrealistic. I don't know if it was a better one against a better defense. Yeah. If you know what I'm saying. I mean, it's still some great, great problems to talk about, which comeback was better. Those are great things. Which one did you think it was?

Falcons, for sure. I mean, it was more unrealistic. Because, you know. It was certainly more improbable. Yeah, so improbable. I never felt like we were out of the buffalo the baltimore one really no but we were up against i definitely felt like we were out at one point in ball after i dropped that third down come out halftime like

fuck me i'm the rah-rah guy getting everyone rowdy i can't make a goddamn third down catch over the you know what i mean it's gonna be a I mean? It's going to be a hell of a story. It's going to be a hell of a story. I mean, you're, you're, that's your trademark. It was a hell of a story.

So now you're saying there's a caveat to that. Nah, it's going to be a hell of a story. I'm a Gemini. I got two people in my head. I don't necessarily know if I believe that. You can't say that. Gotta believe,

baby. Yeah, you gotta believe. You can't say that. You gotta believe, but I'm doubting if we can do it or not. See, that's for everyone to listen to. Even when you believe, you have

a little doubt. You have that little doubt, it's okay. You can still believe. Are you coining that phrase? You're gonna patent that phrase? It's already on a fucking t-shirt. That's on a t-shirt. It's gonna be a caveat.

Dropping caveat on this podcast? I like it. Such a caviar word. Let's grade the game. We'll be right back after this quick break. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline,

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The double pass. The double pass game. Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it. Stakes, 0 to 10 of this game. Decimal is okay. You have to grade it. Stakes of the game?

Yeah, we've done Super Bowls. We've done World Cup events. We've done World Cup events. We've done World Series events. We've done surfing the biggest waves of all time. Okay, so I'm going to say it's a divisional game against the great nine. Nine? Solid. So we had done this game before with Gronk.

With Dola. Oh, with Dola. Sorry, with Dola. Jules scored a 7.1. Jack did an 8.0. I did an 8.2. And Dola. Sorry, with Dola. Jules scored a 7.1. Jack did an 8.0. I did an 8.2. And Dola did a 10. 7.1.

You know, Josh, when you played as many porn games. This is your first Super Bowl. You played as many porn games as I played it. You forget them. You forget them. This is a 7 right here. Star power, Josh. Star power in this game. Dec power, Josh. Star power.

Word of 10. Decimals, okay. Okay, so Reed's out. Ray's out. Pernell McPhee, don't forget about him. You know, you're the legend of, you know. We're just coming up. Yeah, your legend hasn't really started to grow yet.

You know, you're hoping to get a podcast someday. Hope so. Gronk's pretty much Gronk by now. Tommy's got a lot of star power. I'll go eight. Jules did a 7.9. Jack did an 8.5. I did an 8.3.

Dola did a six. Whoa, Dola. Okay, Dola's being hard grader. Man. Not after a 10 on the stakes. Yeah, what are we doing game played zero to 10 josh what does this mean how the game went i mean i mean the excitement for the viewer depends this is a 10 this is hard to top this one amen what i say hard to top this jules with an 8.1

jack with a 10 me with a 9.4 you are the name of the. You are tough. The name of the game. 0 to 10. Decimal's okay. You mean the double pass? The double pass game. We're rating the name? You rank the name. 8.5. Very solid.

Jules had a 7.9. Jack had an 8.6. I had a 9.2. And Dola had an 8.0. What is the total up to? Let's see. The new score is an 8.44. Where does it go on the charts of games?

That ties us with WrestleMania 35 with Becky Lynch. Big wrestling fan. My kids. We grew up that way too. You love wrestling. Yeah, I do. There was a big window where I was completely out of the loop. Yeah.

You know, like after college, just making it until I had, and then like I have some friends that do it. I enjoy it. It's fun. Fun to go to. It's a good show. It's fun. Tied for 13th overall.

Tied for 13th overall. Hold on. Go back to that. So the number one was Super Blood Wolf Moon. That was a 2018 AFC Championship game. Remember the moon thing that happened? Yeah, I do. Where's the Seahawks?

That's number three. I was going to say that. That definitely. Statue of Liberty game. Remember that? I had those three as my top three. Yes. Someone in COVID asked me that, and those were my top three,

but not in that order. What's your order? 3-1-2. So Butler game, 28-3. Or Butler game, Super Bowl, Wolfman game, then 28-3? That was my top. That was my top. And then I think this game was four.

Heck, yeah. You remember that Statue of Liberty game? Boise State, Oklahoma? I do. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's my Liberty game? Boise State, Oklahoma? I do. Oh yeah. Oh, that's my favorite game. Speaking of great, great trick play calls.

That was awesome. How many gadgets can you have? Josh, we missed anything? No. This is awesome. You want to plug anything? A to Z.

You want to plug anything? No. This is just, this is awesome. Well, we appreciate you coming on, man. It's been awesome. It was so fun.

This was fun to go down memory lane. Yep. And thank you again, bro. Yeah, appreciate you, big guy. Man, that was a fun episode. Brought me down memory lane. What did you guys think about old Josh? Love Josh.

Our first, we were just talking, our first head coach. First head coach. We didn't really talk about it, though. No. Didn't want to get into it because it's a little raw. It's still a little fresh. It's like a fresh wound. I'll have a bit of a hand up moment on this episode i'm pretty anti redoing games that we've already done yeah because there's so there's literally thousands of thousands of games out there

that we haven't done yet so when he came back organically with doing this game i was skeptical i was like okay well we've already done it with Dola, whatever, whatever, whatever. But I think his perspective on it was awesome. It was cool getting the coach's perspective on it. So, hand up. I was wrong. Well, 100%. Josh was so cool, man.

Yeah. And so gracious with his time. Smart guy. So smart. Remember it. And he did the Peyton Manning. He went back to the notes. He watched the tape.

He came ready. Has still had his game plans. That was awesome. I wish. Oh, when we started getting into the craft of play calling and he was like oh i wanted to do it at the first down i want to do it here after here oh man we could have had an hour conversation of just that because that was just i wanted to know more and more and more about that but i need him to help me with my college football 25 play calling i know i know i wonder what playbook he uses i I wonder. Because I used to use, like, when I go and play Madden,

I would use, like, our playbook, even if I was using a different team, because I knew our offense. And sometimes, there's a couple years where I was like, oh, this is kind of, yeah, it's kind of what we do. And then there's someone I'm like, what the fuck? I played it recently. I was like, didn't know the offense. I got to say, nothing good has ever come from me being in the pistol formation in college football at 25.

I hate the pistol. Not a pistol guy. Supposed to be better for the run. I know, but I just can't. Every time I call him. Makes it more even. I can see that. Makes it more even for the offensive line for like shades.

Because when you have the guy behind him on the offset on one side, you can eliminate certain things. That's a good way to look at it. I didn't even know anything about that. anything well that's why people try the pistol that's why people like the pistol because they you know it's deception of air side that is true so then you could cheat over those gaps over not cheap but you can you can gap them differently and just have this guy catch the edge on for the pitch isn't it just the old eye formation that that's why shotgun but that's what no the pistols shotgun with the guy behind you but it is like

eye formation for like where you're getting you get the even box for both sides god forbid a college quarterback be under center these days god forbid god what they're never under center in college endangered species i know that's what i'm saying. Army. Let's do this. Let's do this. This is a two-hour episode already. In honor of Josh and his patented. Patent? Patented. He's known for wearing visors.

For known for wearing visors. We're going to go and we're going to build the ideal football coach look from head to tippity toe. Just a little context of this new post guest segment we're basically going to assemble the we're going to use inspiration from some of the most notable coaching attire pieces pieces of their wardrobe to kind of compile one super fit so think pete carroll's monarchs think kyle shanahan with the the flat brim custom giants hat that no one else wears but he has niners niners uh with the small small letters with the small letters sorry i'm thinking san francisco giants bill belichick with the cutoff hoodie maybe kanye low-key made a collection after this. Oh, damn. I'm telling you.

No. He cut it. A lot of that shit looked like Bill's shit. I went in there after Kanye dropped. It was in like 16 or something. It was tight. Yeah. I mean, give Billy a little religion.

And Bill kind of dressed alike on the sideline, if you think about it. I heard recently that maybe some of Kanye's fashion sense was coming from Adam Sandler. I think I saw a clip of that. I just love seeing Adam Sandler on social media playing randomly in parks. Sandler in the wild. In the Adam Sandler outfits. New special's out probably when this comes out. Yeah.

Yeah, new special. Everyone go check it out. But let's get back to our build coach. All right, let's build a coach, baby. I like that naming of it. It's perfect. Well, I mean, we all know Creative Player and Madden. Yes.

This is Creative Coach. Creative Coach, baby. So we're starting at the dome, baby. Headwear. What are we rocking on the head? Are we going hat? Are we going visor? Are we going nothing?

Are we going beanie? Headset? I mean, you got to have the headset. Fedora? Fedora. Full-on old school yeah uh eddie munster widow's peak uh just beautiful hair like uh a ben mackadoo situation yeah the full ben mackadoo or what ibra fluce right now you see oh my gosh bro uber oh

coach ibra fluce again got a city cut moved to chicago wife made him cut his hair got a city cut. Moved to Chicago. Wife made him cut his hair. Got a city cut and a little beard action. Man, Chicago looks good. Oh, my gosh. I mean, they look good. But everyone looks good on paper. That's why you play the games. Are we going full Iberflues and getting a city cut? You got to go a hat of some sort.

Yeah, I like freaking Shanahan's hats. It's our new age cool coach that's new age cool coach fedora is like 32 that's cool for like on the going to the plane the on the torso baby the meat the meat of your fit here the big piece are we going we going old school windbreaker we going vrabel cut off windbreaker with the uh long sleeve t underneath to show off the guns i like the bill dog i like the bill i like the bill cut hoodie i love it i love it what about a jim tressel sweater oh hate it hate it hate it hate it no it's too clean cut absolutely not 90s schottenheimer starter jacket i like that those are tight i mean the starter coats by everyone are cool.

But that's for a cold game. We're talking about a spring game. Okay. Very much so. No, a fall game. What about a nice, like, fashionable, like, up-to-date windbreaker a la Pete Carroll? It's almost like a golfing situation.

Yeah. Like a QZ, like a quarter zip. This ain't golf. It's a little too ubiquitous. Okay. I like, look at the Belichick. like a qz like a quarter zip like the same golf it's a little too ubiquitous i'm okay i like i look at the belichick like as much as we can all make fun of it like that's that's like timeless that's like from the because he used to do that shit at the giants yep oversized because those

old sweat suits the old baggy ones when you used to cut them off like that was like your only that was your way of differentiating yourself because we all wore the same one amen add a little swag so like that was like your he kind of did that early drip plus plus your your hands are free you're not messing with your sleeves and then you got a pocket and you also got a hood just in case you want to go hood over hat because look look, even Shanahan does hood. Yep. See, Shanahan does hoodie with jacket over open jacket, which is cool. I like having a hood.

A little versatility there. Bill looks like he should be in the weight room, bro. Okay, we're going Bill. All my coaches look like he should be in the weight room. We're going Bill. We're going Bill. I'm going Bill. We also missed the bum Phillips cowboy hat in the headwear section.

We were right with the Shanahan flat bill, but cowboy hat is a vibe. You got to be coached in the state of Texas. Okay. Pants. This is only one answer. Only Texas. Yes, only Texas. Pants.

See, I would say. I don't like khakis. I would say if they're going to be khakis, I want some big old pleats in there. I need those boys pleated i'm talking charlie weiss pete carroll circa notre dame usc bush push game pleats but with the bill hoodie i don't like it oh no i don't like it i want some some wind pants are we do we have to be couldn't like a nice look top to bottom or are we picking the best thing forehead for no we're building the look we're building our guy building a look yeah so it all has to go together i think

it needs to it needs to i'm going with like a baggy windbreaker uh rain gear yep team machine yeah all day all day bag they have that i want some little baggy so i could bust a sag i got i got i got area where i can keep my my flag i don't have a small ass little because if i'm gonna keep in my socks baby i don't i don't need a tapered ass thing where i can't get my hand under my shit because my calf's so big i want some baggy you gotta hide your flag i got packed pockets what about this take just i'd like to hear your opinion. Here's a team that we, was a bit of a rival in high school. Wakona.

Fuck Wakona. But all their coaches would have matching short cargo shorts with calf-high black socks the whole season. Even if it was snowing, the whole coaching staff. I'm not sure I've ever heard

of a lamer look. Black socks. They were lamer. They deserve to be fired as an entire staff. That's a bro staff. The whole staff. an entire staff. That's a bro staff. The whole staff. That's a bro staff.

What? So, bro. That is insane. The whole coaching staff. I got something I want to add to my hoodie. Okay. The baggy hoodie. I want to add, I want to put my belt on over my hoodie.

Ooh. So, it looks like I got a tool belt, but it's my pack so I can talk, my radio we didn't talk about color, gray I mean there's red, there's blue oh, hoodie I'm not opposed to mixing it up but we will say as men that keep track of Bill's

fits from his coaching staff gray or blue is the best red, bad things happen I personally like the the like three-year-old faded blue yes like dog shit blue that has been maybe dried 600 times i think i've seen something and where you you get like that you know sometimes you pull out of your pocket you'll pull out the the lint thing or the the the the refreshener sheet yeah you know you put your damn thing oh shit that's that means it's gonna be a good day you

find an extra 20 in the pocket you're good bro you're good i want i want a thousand that thing needs to be dried a thousand times and it's got to be two sizes too big dog shit blue would you ever cut a hole in your hoodie pocket for headphones like in high school no i bought in the pocket and you have a hole to do headphones i like to listen to my brain think when i was lifting facts so you guys have never listened to headphones i never made even though i like to i didn't run with headphones on when i was younger and then in the weight room you got fucking weight room radio tunes blasting i'm so motivated I'm self-motivated. And when I used to do my drills.

Self-motivated. I've seen you watch highlight reels of yourself working out. Yeah, you make me, bro. I guess that is self-motivated. That is. Self-motivated. Self-self-motivated. Have I done that?

All right, footwear. Full inception, bro. Full inception. He incepted me. I'm going to do it now, tonight. I need to motivate myself. Oh, yeah. I at some clips of the podcast oh my goodness all right we get we're building this fit is coming together very nicely

footwear i hate it bro i'm going monarchs man i kind of think hey those pete carroll those with the with the volt swoosh they're fire you could go ernie taped up nikes taped up nikes that because he likes the rebox he's a man after our heart we're going with the volt swoosh they're fire you could go ernie taped up nikes taped up nikes that because he likes the reeboks he's a man after our heart we're going with the ernie specials let's go with the ernie specials nikes with because we like reeboks more yeah there you go taped up reebok reebok men on this podcast baby and then just to throw a little flair in here you know a little bit of personality to it. We've already done that with our hoodie, shown that with, you know, some other elements of our fit.

But any accessories we talk in pencil behind the ear, a la Matty P. We chewing on anything. We got gum going Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll gum. Do we have? I got a full tin. I got a fanny pack with 10 tins in the back of it and that's where i might keep my challenge flag and i'm just gonna have a i'm gonna have like you know you have a guy that keeps you

uh the hold me back guy the hold me back guy yep he's i'm gonna have a hold me back guy and then i'm gonna have a dip guy can i can i pitch one to the team what about a mike mcdaniel vape what do you mean ripping vapes on the sideline? Get that out of here. No place for that in the NFL, baby. No place, bro. No place for that. Not in between lines.

Three other accessories? What else is there? A big play sheet. Yeah, you want a Waffle House menu play sheet? Or are we talking Bill Belichick folded up, you know, a little piece of paper? Or do we just... Fucking note time. Yeah.

Straight origami status. Coaches dipping on the sideline? Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's signs it's illegal to do that. I got... So, by the way, I go to a Dodgers game. And you got to go through metal detectors.

Cool. Awesome. Love it. Like, safety's over everything. Pull out my tin, my wallet and uh walk through they're like you can't have the tin oh that was right that was the other week yeah yeah i was there with you can't have a tin at the and i'm like i'm at a baseball game what do you mean i can't have a tin they're like it's banned in in stadium. You can't have any tobacco products. I go, we're at a baseball game.

I mean, isn't this America? Like, no. I go, are you? What? So they made me throw my dip away. So as he was going to throw it, I took one dip. I put it in. And I walked through.

See a fucking guy. I thought this used to be America's pastime. Maybe you should just walked up to the dugout and be like yo anyone got any tins i think it's illegal in there too i think it's illegal yeah you're telling me these guys are playing 162 games and it's not a single guy with a fat lip in i don't know man i think it's it's big sunflower seed and big uh and big bubble gum industry is has pushed them out i think no i'm. No, I'm just kidding. So what's our accessory? It's a health. Hey, Otani, can I get a dip?

Hey, and put a parlay in for me, bud. Bro, that game was great. That was a great game. We missing any accessories here? Accessories. Challenge flag in sock. We'll have intercom

belt. Around the hoodie. So I can see my side pack. In sock. Yeah. We'll have intercom belt. Around the hoodie. Yeah. So we can see it. Around the hoodie. So I can see my side pack. Tool belt. Tool belt. We have a couple things on there.

We got a dip guy. We got a hold me back guy. Hold me back guy, dip guy. We're not going full Waffle House play sheet, are we? Oh, definitely. We are. Okay. Big boy.

Because if I'm head coaching. How is it? Is it affixed? Is it one of those? Oh, it's definitely connected to me. It's connected to the tool belt. Oh, man. Connected to the tool belt, just in case I want to use my hands

as a motherfucker ref. Yes. You drop it, it's connected to your tool belt. So then I can just... What the fuck are you doing? Can you see? Can you see? When did you get your eyes checked, bud?

What about... How are you feeling about the Microsoft Surface? Oh, shit. All right, Jan. I'll look at it. Play 39. He got it right there. Yeah.

Right there. Open that thing up. Play 39. All right. Wait, that's offensive. Looking like you're reading the app side of the menu. Oh, my God. Full Cheesecake Factory mode.

Full Cheesecake Factory menu. Oh, my gosh. Full Cheesecake Factory. Full Cheesecake Factory menu. Oh my gosh. Yeah, Surfaces. We're breaking about three of those a game. Oh. Buy Microsoft stock. We got Surfaces. We're smashing those bad boys.

I'm going to stand on the table here real quick. Yeah. As we're wrapping up this fire fit and say I absolutely hate anyone post Lombardi era that wears a suit or a tie or any version of that on the sidelines. I hate it. Who's done that?

Like Al Golden at Miami was doing it. I got to say, literally not that long ago, Mike Nolan for the 49ers, Jack, Mike Nolan for the Niners. I love it. Cause that's fucking football.

When you wear the coat and the breath and you got the fedora, these guys wearing like windbreakers and shit. I don't want my coaching bands. Got my bands on, but they look like sneakers. Yeah, I mean, I just I can't do it anymore. It was a time and place. Let's leave it there. Hard to disagree.

All right. You got to be Mike Dick to be able to wear a sweater vest high. He was a badass football player. He can't be some dude that just, you know, like, you know, to Josh's point, D3 dude, loves the game of football. You can't be going in there trying to set a trend on how to fucking dress. No. No.

Come on now. But if you're Mike Ditka and you want to wear a tie, I mean... When you got it like that... I think he's eaten glass before. Facts. He can do it. I think I saw it on a YouTube video.

Yeah, I mean, if you got your own steakhouse, you can do it at any point. Mike Ditka ate glass. Look it up. That's how tough he is. One more thing. Where are we landing on sunglasses?

Glasses, no glasses. I'm not a sunglass guy dude like he'll never wore shades not on the i you gotta be able to see now if i had crazy like if i'm in miami and it's i don't know maybe that like if you get sun in your eyes when they're putting you on that visitor sideline actually i think i'm gonna go with google glass i'm gonna go with google glass so i I can maybe get yardage stuff in my thing. So when I'm looking at the sideline, I can see where the first down, where the drive started.

It's marked in my fucking goggles. Google Glass, down in distance. I want a VR thing. VR. So then I can get a better look. I want a camera on the ball. So then if I'm the coach, I can see where the quarterback's throwing, like in the pile. I want a camera on the ball so that if I'm the coach, I can see where the quarterback's throwing in the pile. I want that.

First head coach, right? VR headset. All right, let's wrap this up. Oh, man, that was awesome. Give us the rundown. This full fit coming to a sideline near you. Shanahan flat bill. Bill Belichick cutoff hoodie.

We got our rain gear windbreaker pants not tapered loose at the bottom a little bit of bag to him ernie taped up rebox on the feet we got tins around our belt we got a dip guy we got a hold me back guy we have our play sheet that is cheesecake factory large fully laminated it's got multiple fold outs attached to the belt, affixed, so that when we are letting the refs have it, it is not falling to the ground. And no shades. That's about it, I think.

That wraps it up. Did we put Air Monarchs? And we got the Ernie taped up Reeboks. Oh, yeah. Good, good, good, good. No, no, taped up Reeboks. Yeah, taped up Reeboks. Reebok. I mean, just an all-time fit. No, no. Tape to Reebok. Yeah. Tape to Reebok. Reebok.

I mean, just an all-time fit. Dude, I'm dialing up some crazy plays. Oh, and we're wearing a VR headset. Duh, sorry. VR headset. VR headset. We got an implant. Yeah.

And we got a, what is it? The thing that Elon, Cyberchip, what is it called? Oh, yeah. Is it Cyberchip? No. What's it called? Neuralink. I put the Neuralink in. You need it so Chip? No. What's it called? Neuralink. I put the Neuralink in.

I basically put Ernie's brain in a Neuralink, and I'm going to put it in the back of my neck. Right in the cerebellum. Serotonin. Serotonin. We'll be having tons of that after we score touchdowns. After we do this live show this week. Let's go!

Live show is finished by the time. I hope you had an awesome time and everything was great. Serotonin levels are high. I'll be wearing that merch. Hella merch. Well, that was a hell of a game. That was a hell of an episode. Thanks again to Josh. That's been another episode of Games with Names. Subscribe on Apple

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