Games with Names - Varitek vs. A-Rod with Casey Affleck | Yankees vs. Red Sox

Episode Date: August 6, 2024

Casey Affleck is in studio! The Boston legend and Oscar winner is with us to talk about an all time Yankees vs. Red Sox rivalry game from the 2004 season. Casey joins us on the couch (2:33). We go back to July of 2004 (49:24). We get into these teams (1:04:11). We revisit the game and that epic brawl (1:17:33). We score it (1:34:11). We wrap it up by putting together our list of least hated New York athletes (1:40:44). Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Bit of a wise-ass. Yeah, wise-ass. And then with how Damon was playing his character, Dudley Do-Right, you know, like, you know, it was a fun movie. It was great. When I leave here here I'm calling Matt dude and I'm gonna be like bro you're Dudley Do-Right Jules says you're Dudley welcome to games with names I'm Julian Edelman they're Jack and Kyler and we are on a mission to find the greatest game of all time. On today's episode, we are covering the A-Rod versus Veritech, Yankees versus Red Sox

from July 2004 with actor, writer, director, and Oscar winner. And Boston legend, Casey Affleck. Some of these guys, they're probably nice guys. I don't know Posada. He's probably a lovely dude.

But when I see his face, I just think like, hey man, I hate you. We get into talking his new movie The Instigators on Apple TV+. Movie shot in Boston. The first time I went back to work in Boston, they love you. They're great. And then on day two, they're like,

get off my f***ing street, bro. The lights and the noise. We also talk about what it's like working with Rob Gronkowski on a film set. Rob's wingspan is like nine feet. I had to beat him in ping pong, though, on the set. Did you beat him? Yeah. Are you good at ping pong?

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It's hard to hate Strahan. Dude, he's on Good Morning America. You got to stick around to the very end. It's a fun episode. Let's go. Let's go. Games with Names is a production of iHeartRadio. July 24th, 2004.

Fenway Pot, Boston, Massachusetts. I got to give it that kind of energy? You can give it whatever you want. You can give it whatever you want. That's the reading? Yeah, that was strong. A band of idiots. Versus the evil empire.

Scruffy beards versus frosted tips. A century of bad blood is finally boiling over. This is Veritech versus A-Rod. Yeah. That was awesome. That photo, bro. Hey, man. You got that.

It looks like you got that. You got gas over here. You got a little two-seamer. Two-seamer right there. Welcome to Games with Names, Casey. I appreciate you coming. And we are talking about the A-Rod versus Veritech, Red Sox versus Yankees, July 24th, 2004 game.

Why'd you pick this game? Well, look, I was at the game. This is game. This is mid-season. Oh, really? Yeah, this, I was at the game. This is game. This is mid-season. Oh, really? Yeah, this is the mid-season fight. Oh, shoot. Which had a lot of implications going into this season.

It was like a really turning point game for the Red Sox. Right, okay. I was thinking a lot about the game, the last game that they lost. It sort of ended the curse. Game three, then into game four when they first won. Game four was the one that I thought we were going to be talking about. We did that one with David Ortiz, too.

Let's talk about it. We've got to talk about it. We can talk about all of it. I see. I see. I see. This game, yeah, it's been a minute um so i don't i can't remember i remember this these beefs and what a what a great year man um but into detail on this game uh we'll get into the details

we've got all we got it all right yeah but this like when you picked this game, or at least that's what I thought you picked. That's what they told me you picked. We started doing research. I'm like, this dude's a real fan because he didn't pick that game that we're talking about in game three. You picked a game that kind of like this was the spark for that to happen. Was the whole, you know, last, the year before where they lose in the ALCS too. Yep, seven games.

Don Zimmer gets tossed. Pedro. Zimmer gets tossed. There was a lot of beef going on. They bring in A-Rod. We lost A-Rod, or the Red Sox lost the bid to getting A-Rod. And the whole captain fighting that fucking A-Rod. Can you imagine that Bizarro world a-rod in a red

socks jersey doesn't seem right yeah it doesn't seem right now no it didn't seem right i bet it i wonder at the time was he would he have been happier there because he didn't like being moved to third i know they're like being next to g or didn't sit sit well with him at first that's a great point yeah i wonder he would have been the big fish in a little pond here bubs right in boston you know when you go out there there's a there's a certain way at being a yankee yeah but you have to swallow the ego because jeter ain't going nowhere you know and like there was already you had jeter you had mario so you're like you're already it's kind of like when i came to the patriots you had tom Tom, you had Randy Moss, you had Wes Walker.

By no means was I even like in that category, but like, were you going to, who comes in to change that? Yeah. But you got there. And that's a big thing because you have to, you have to, you join a team. You have to find your way into the team. You know, showing up sometimes being the big dog is disruptive. Yeah.

The whole team that has to adjust to you that's harder to do than than you finding your way into the system which is you know you you know well and you did um yeah and a rod i mean the the new york yankees have a system are known for like a culture probably more than any any other team yeah you say and that goes back to the 70s when being a professional baseball player they weren't you weren't stars you didn't make a ton of money this is early before they could they collectively bargain and they became made a lot of money and became big stars it wasn't like that a lot of those guys were working in the off season as like selling used cars they had jobs in the summer and they were like on the yankees and then uh when dude

came in bought the yankees he changed the whole culture and the first thing he said was he was like look to all the other team owners he was like let's let them bargain collectively let's let them they make more money they become stars tv the value of this broadcast becomes much greater we all are going to make more money all ships are going to rise with that tide so uh he sort of opened the door to that and then and it started to happen but then he told everyone on the team shave your face you put on a suit and tie when you travel stuff that like in the 70s was unheard of because those dudes were like they looked like me you know what i mean they were going out and partying at night they're taking this famous stories of them doing drugs during the game i mean it was

what's that one what's that one picture doc yeah you heard that on lsd dude they've had so many have you seen that video incredible it's fucking that should be a movie it should be i mean him him telling the story of it he was like at home with his girlfriend, wasn't even going to the park. I think he had like two girlfriends at that time. He was in an orgy or something in LA. Nice. And they were like, bro, get to the field. You're pitching.

Amazing. Now, what's life looking like now? Life's pretty good, man. I was sitting in my son's room the other day, and I was like, he's 16, and he was doing his homework or something. I was like, man, life's pretty good, isn't it? I don't know why. I don't have those kind of conversations all the time with your kids,

but it just occurred to me. I was like, life feels really good. He was like, yeah, life's good, Dad. It was a nice moment, and that's how I've been feeling. It's like, you know, it's like you know there's there's always stuff you're dealing with and in this industry is is going through a lot of changes and uh i'm middle-aged and going through changes and stuff but um the last 10 years has been hard you know for me honestly and and suddenly i was like i woke up one day and i was like man this life's pretty good well either that or i just appreciate it more you know yeah um but things are feeling good i get this

movie coming out that we got to do back in boston uh with matt damon and jack carlo and a bunch of people and um instigators instigators yeah we actually got a screen copy we watched it oh you did it was fucking fun oh nice yeah it was that oh we watched it. Oh, you did? It was fucking fun. Oh, nice. It was that. Oh, love. We watched it a couple days ago. And we really haven't had one of those Boston fun, in that departed role with the comedic, dark comedic stuff in a while. There hasn't been any of those in a while. And I enjoyed it.

Anytime you're in a Boston movie, you got Matt Damon there, you know, Gronk makes a freaking, a showing, which was fun, which I talked to him about. I had him over the house a couple of days ago. He goes,

yeah, I mean, I thought they were going to use me more. We'll get into that. But, uh, you only paid him a hundred dollars. He said,

scale, baby. Gronk doesn't need a paycheck. No, but it was, it was a really cool fun movie and action you had a lot of cool stars in it and it was just refreshing to see it like because we haven't had a really boston movie like a fun boston movie in a minute yeah thanks dude yeah it was it was fun to make it was fun to like it was like most people won't remember. But there's a movie called Midnight Run that I loved. Yes. And I was like, I want to be in one of those. You know what I mean? But I was pretty sure no one was going to like send me a great buddy comedy script.

That's just not the kind of movies I've done. So I was like, let me sit down and try to try to write one. And a buddy of mine has already done a lot of the work. And, you know, we spent like two years trying to write something funny. Then we get Matt and get all these other people involved, and they elevate it, and it works out. It's a good, like, summer movie. It really was. You played that younger brother, that almost, like, annoying guy,

like, younger brother. Like, you did it in all the oceans where you were like kind of the smart funny like get at your older brother type of wise yeah wise ass you play that like great and then with how damon was playing his character dudley do right you know like you know it was fucking it was a fun movie it was great when i leave here i'm calling matt dude and i'm gonna be like bro you're dudley doer jul says you're dudley i seen matt once i'm i used to when i lived in new york i used to ride my bike over the manhattan bridge every morning and i go box at the gleason's right there in dumbo i'm riding there one day i see fucking matt damon getting out of

a car i'm like what's up Matt he's like what's up dude I was like alright I'll see you this is fucking the most random thing ever I've seen Matt

a couple times you never had him on the show no dude nah he's kind of a boring interview we want Oscar winners on here bro

that's right we want Oscar winners on here bro let's go come on man listen when people come on all they want to do

is ask you questions about the paths yes a little bit but yeah that's the fun part of it because our show is i always pitch it to people like it's kind of like letting the listener or viewer talk how we talk in the locker room with like people that play or people that are fans of that like this is how we talk in the locker room we're just talking shit talking about things catching up so i mean it becomes conversational yeah always yeah like when we had we had ed o'neill in here and he's over here putting me in a goddamn jujitsu head chop thing i'm like what the fuck could you take him uh yeah yeah i mean he's an older man now he's an older man and i mean what was it 1966 four touchdowns paul hi baby paul kai from fucking uh barrywood children i used to love that show um jack harlow was in it yep yeah jack yep that was fun how was it working with him he was great

yeah he was amazing i mean usually when someone is like really talented in one thing you know as a performer they're gonna be able to make that transition you know um but um i think people are still surprised you know um he showed up and he was just incredibly prepared really funny he had a full of ideas of his own um he didn't complain about the paycheck like gronk you know what i'm saying he just like comes and does his work you know what I mean does his job was Gronk always worried about the check in the locker room

or what he knew the numbers he's a math guy don't let him fool you the dude is a math guy he was more upset that he hasn't gotten any roles since yeah he said he's waiting on the next call he wants to be in whatever the next see when you have that sense of entitlement,

you know what I mean? Like, people don't always want to call you up. I say it now. If Gronk was in the room, I wouldn't be talking to this trash. If Gronk was in the room, you'd just be, you'd feel a ball of energy.

He's like the most genuine dude. Yeah. Like, out of anyone I've ever played with, I always describe him as just a big ass golden retriever yeah that makes sense kind of silly beautiful like cool loving he's just a great dude so good vibes great vibes always i had to beat him in ping pong though on the set did you beat him yeah are you good at ping pong yeah yeah really good i mean i'd be grunk grunk's wingspan is like nine feet he's pretty decent though he's

all right because he can get over back and forth yeah i wouldn't call him one of the best on the team oh yeah we had rankings really yeah we did we did grunk was deece he used to he uses sand paddles though we used to use the uh-huh you know are you using no are you using like a padded paddle i transitioned to the the real bouncy ones you can get more spin and stuff but it's hard though because the ball's flying so i played you know 40 years playing one way and then i try to get step up to these better paddles those better paddles brings it to a whole nother no who's really emin dola's really good at ping pong really spectacular like we that's what we used to do for four straight years we would go to work

by the time we were done with all our shit about 6 6 30 we'd go to his house light a couple joints play pong and play pong for fucking five straight hours compete damn i wish i was on that team for like until like nine o'clock it'd be like four hours and then we'd go home see him at work next day it was like every like clockwork dude i i saw that the doc about you i remember you describing your daily routine about ending with you know an hour of yoga eating clean all your workouts i don't remember you talking about the joints you smoked and the ping pong that you played that was so that was was when Amendola was there. So on that schedule,

when I would go home and then I would do a body work and then I, you know, then you'd clean it up. I, that, or I'd, I'd leave time when he left. Cause he left,

you know, I played, played with him for five years. You know, I played eight years without him or six. I'm not a math guy. So I would put video games in a category where it's like my decompression time so that was like scheduled in so i could what did you play i played like call of duty fifa got into fortnite train for a while you know for for

an athlete the video game system's awesome because it keeps you out of trouble yeah you know what i mean believe it you know you i used to you know go home get my shit done and then i i just wanted to play something that i didn't have to think that i can communicate with my boys from back home i mean we're all on the on so that's a form of communication with all your high school friends but But everyone now in the league, all the leagues, they all play video games because you can't really, if you want to stick around for a while, you can't be out in the streets. You know what I mean?

Those games, they have a bad reputation, but they're good for the mind and body to shut down and play, have some fun. Sometimes, though, if you're playing a sweaty-ass little fucking 12-year-old, this kid's stimulating your mind, getting pissed off, throwing controllers. Are you wearing a headset? Oh, headset, full headset. Full headset. Oh, man.

I don't know about that. Who do you play ping pong against that you like in your little circles? Anyone. I mean, any movie I'm on, we got a tournament. I'll start a tournament on instigators i won the whole thing it was like it's you know the whole crew the whole cast everyone and i took them all down uh i've done that in several movies i used several movies folks several movies uh tournament champ keep going yeah number one um i my son can beat me now

sometimes which is sometimes makes me proud. Sometimes I just have to go over there and ground by the neck and put him on the ground and beat his ass a little bit afterward. There's not a lot of people that can beat me, man, in my circle. But I can see the wheels turning, and you're wondering if you can take me. Well, you just said there when your son beats you, it was a mix of kind of immersion. I remember when I first beat my dad in like one-on-one basketball or like a race like my dad used to make me randomly race him

like yeah we'd be hitting ground balls all right let's go i'm like what are you talking about he's like get on the line i want to see how fast you are and until i was like 13 or until i was like 15 i couldn't beat my dad and i remember when I beat him for the first time, it was one of those things where it's a humbling thing for a man. I could see it in his eyes. Yeah? Yeah. But he stayed with you. He helped you train a lot, like right through the pros and everything, right?

I would go home. So he trained me a lot in high school and before high school, like every day of my life like baseball basketball football and then i would go i went to college and then i would come back home and he'd always since we weren't together as much he would sit up and think about these crazy ass fucking drills for me to do when i would come home that's sweet so he'd have like the soccer goal post because i was a short quarterback and i had to throw and he'd make me drop and do my throws over that post and i'd have to get that ball up and over it he'd be sitting there and he'd line up all these like these pads at like your 20 yard out your 10 yard out your five yard out your

skinny post your deep post your slant route and he would tape pvc pipe and put a bucket on it and he'd make me go through the whole tree and he'd sit there with a fucking broom trying to hit my ball so i would you know like you know he was just this guy was were you indulging him or did you like it both yeah i mean we used to butt heads but you know i i needed that stimulation i'm an add type guy kid at that time and so like he knew that and he knew what buttons to push and he knew when to take it to the next line to like piss me off uh and i would get pissed off and he knew that i got better when i got pissed off so there was like a lot of like jedi mind trick shit going with my dad. Did you go through years where you resented him?

Like you felt like too much pressure from him? No, because I left. You know, when I went to college, I didn't get it as much. And I saw once I left my dad and he wasn't around, I was doing the things that he was teaching me by myself now. Like I would do those dumb drills where i would set things up and i i wouldn't leave until i hit them all you know because that's where you gain your confidence is through your preparation and i learned that through him you know and and anywhere

i got to at a next level the baddest dudes the best guys were the guys that were always the prepared guys doing little extras and stuff. And so I always tried to incorporate all that stuff, and I became kind of like him. I was notoriously known for my ball drills in the morning at New England. I'd get there 5.30, hit the tub, 6 o'clock in the morning. I'd hit up what used to be Double J's, and it became Jimmy Neutron, then it became Bobby Balls balls our equipment staff guys and i'd have like a little combine for them to see

who could throw and i'd have them and adopt them we'd go and do like 500 balls tennis ball drills before the day started just there at dawn doing all that yeah just so you can get your eyes dilated and have a good work day wow yeah did you you know? At what point were you like, I'm going to make the pros? I didn't really. It wasn't until I housed a punt in Philadelphia in Lincoln Financial Field, my preseason, my first preseason game, that's when I felt like I could play with the pros.

And I was always the guy. I was always a very confident guy. I always felt like I was the best guy in the field anywhere I played to the point of until I got to the NFL. It wasn't until that time, because I had played a different position, there was always another guy that was supposed to be the guy. They never really talked about me. They always talked about my deficiencies.

So I was always kind of that guy. So sometimes I don't know if you believe it, but you're so trapped in trying to prove people wrong that you're not thinking about. I wasn't thinking about that. I was just trying to, I'm fucking better than this guy. Let's go.

You know, I always dealt with what was on my plate at that time. You know, I mean, you're this, the way that people think of you, like your story is sort of, at least for young people, like I coached my kids in football and soccer and stuff, and it was like the guy who never was on the fast track.

People weren't going like, yeah, you're definitely going to make it. You're the superstar. You're going to be the thing. But you persevered, and you kept going, and you kept going. And those are the most important stories for those kids, you know, for sure. Because a lot of them are like, they don't feel that way. You know, they don't feel like there's always going to be some kid. You get in some tournament.

Even if you're the best in your league, you end up in some tournament in Vegas and just get destroyed by the kids from Arizona or whatever. You know, so there's always those moments where you feel like, oh damn, there's a lot of people better than I am. And if they don't have someone to point to and think of as like that guy who ended up being that superstar, he also was that way too, as a kid, you know, then you lose hope. So you were always someone that like the kids thought of as like,

I'll be like that dude. I appreciate that. When did you feel like you were an actor? Never. Never. I never felt like, I was never treated like, oh, this kid's going to be a success. Anytime I was in a room with people that were very successful, the attitude was kind of like, what's he doing here?

You know what I mean? Like, hey, kid, you must be happy to be in this room you know i felt that yeah i keep going yeah and i and it was um wasn't always it didn't always make me think yeah man i am here like didn't make didn't fill me with pride and confidence a lot of the time it would knock you down a bit make you go like man i'm not i'm really they must, there must be something about me that says I don't really belong in the upper tier of people and wherever my field is. You're, you know, sometimes I show up like I did Ocean's Eleven, you know what I mean? Like all these big stars in it. And there was a big dinner the night before we were going to start. And one

of the producers said, you know, I hadn't even met him yet. You know what I mean? He's like, who's the movie? And he was like, nice to meet you. You're very lucky to be here. And I was like, damn, I was just starting to feel like, OK, like I can compete. I can play with these guys or whatever, you know. But forever there was someone there to remind me like you weren't really destined to be

this at this level. you know what I mean and I started to enjoy that because I would think like okay you think I'm lucky to be here I know it's it has a lot to do with my own like grit you know I didn't take no for an answer I kept going it wasn't handed to me and I wasn't born with the like face or the this or the that that says this guy's a movie star. So I would start to reframe that sort of semi-rejection as a compliment, you know, of like what I've been able to achieve. And so even when I was like nominated for like an Academy Award or win one, it was still like people would say like the outsider. You know what I mean? Like they would call me certain things as like the long shot,

the this and the that. And I'd be like, okay, good. I'm a long shot. Okay, I'll take it. You know what I mean? I'll take it. So I started to enjoy it, but it's still that way, you know? Do you think that that thought of what you feel that people

or those experiences that you've had has made you the way you are now? Is that why you've attained your success? Because that's the same shit I felt where, you know, like I, you'd have the guy, like when you said you're at Oceans and people are, oh, you're lucky to be here. I remember going in on a recruiting trip and they brought in all like the studs of our high school and they pretty much went to everyone else and they yeah they didn't go to you and like that's what fucking fueled me

you know or or the motivation of you know you're not supposed to be here or you're happy to be here but you made it it's kind of like you know when someone says oh how tall you are how tall are you i got you know five five ten five nine10". It's pretty cool, huh? Get to battle against those 6'6 dudes, still dominated. You know, it's the same kind of shit. It's crazy. But, dude, you managed to be that and still have the attitude. Like, you were a spark on that team.

You were really fun to watch, man. I was talking to my dad on the way over here. I was like, yeah, I'm going to go over and talk to Jules for people i was talking to my dad on the way over here i was like yeah i'm gonna go over to talk to jules and he was excited and i was like i was like man he's 80 84 and my my son's 15 like that's a big range for a fan base man like you have people who loved to watch you because you i think i get loved playing and like sometimes you'd be mic'd up i don't know why they mic'd you up so much, but you were mic'd up a lot. And you could hear the way he talked to the other people,

to the other players on both teams. And it was like that dude loves being out there, loves playing the game, and it made it so much fun to watch. At the time, the Pats were always fun for me to watch, but there were some years in there where it was like it's a slot even when you're winning it's a slog it felt like oh we're on a mart like if we don't win then it's a disappointment but we're people hate us you know it was always like or you don't win by enough yeah we're gonna win by not like it was like

there are a few tense years in there and uh but you were fun. You made it fun. So not only did you persevere and be like, had to prove yourself, but you seemed to like carry some joy for the game. I appreciate that. You know, that means a lot because I did love the game. I still do love the game. You know, it ultimately brought me everything that I've had in my life. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente.

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I'd just take all the other stuff out of it. Segregation academies. When civil rights said that we need to integrate public schools, these charter schools were exempt from that. Bigger than a flag or mascot. You have to be ready for serious backlash. Listen to Rebel Spirit on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

But I do have other interests um do you love acting i love acting i don't always love the business of movies you know no one loves the business of what their passion is but that's what makes it the work yeah you know if you didn't have like i hate you think i hated fucking negotiating with Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft for these dog shit fucking contracts. You know, and being owned up for all the, but you still love the game. You weren't doing that negotiating, were you? When you get older, you get older, you start, I mean, you learn the ways. You would get into it with them and knock on their door and be like, hey, man, I need another zero on that. Well, Bill used to corner you say what so like if there was some you know if you're if you were

talking if your agent and the gm casario or whoever's handling would there was like a stalemate of where we were at he'd be like hey jules just come over here for a second you know we talked to you in the cafeteria sit you down and he did that to me a few times in my career. When I was young, I'd be like, Coach, you know, I'd play the dumb card. I don't know what you're talking about. Because he's a smart motherfucker where he'd trap you into something. You know what I mean? I'd be like, I let my ages do that, Coach. You know, I'm just worried about football.

You know, by the end, I'm going up to Casario saying, hey, I need 500 grand more for these incentives because this motherfucker's getting paid that. So you better put that in there. You know, it was different. But, yeah, but yeah i understand you know you have a love but it's all the outside shit that makes things work yeah it's not work i play football for free if it wasn't for all that bullshit you miss it i do i i just i start to miss it more the the better my body feels are you healing your body's i'm pretty much i mean i'm as healed as i'll be i have a lot of deficiencies

through you know 12 surgeries and all everything that i've had throughout my career and you've you know you you feel stuff here and there but i'm not in like crazy pain but the year after i retired like the year i retired i mean i i had a tear in the root of my meniscus and like i was 34 turning 35 and and they asked me you know like do you want to get this thing done it's a 12 month microfracture surgery and i'm like 34 i got three super bowls you know i was like fuck it i'm gonna play the year and we'll just rehab it and i'll see how i can do it you know what i mean there's gonna be some pain you could just deal with it go out and play that year and it was like such a grind to get to the game you know like and i'm a practice player i i gain confidence through the practice execution practice execution becomes

game reality so like that's where the shit talking that's where your confidence comes because you've seen it in your head already you've done it you've seen the bad looks the good looks and i couldn't practice hard anymore i'd get two reps of practice and then i go to the water tanks and i'd condition in the water and it just became such a grind then i ripped up my ribs and in that first year out it was like i i hate football you know it just became because there's a there's a standard that you you've earned through your consistent play through the years and when this the time you start seeing that you're not that guy on the film and you're in pain it just it's it's it's a hard thing to do it's a very humbling thing to do to go through and every guy goes through it

in our in our business you know we're we're the wheels aren't going as fast as they used to go father time catches up and it's just one of those things it was tough the first year second year i'm starting to feel better things are healing up you know and now i'm going into year three year four and now like you know i'm out playing soccer lily in the backyard i'm kicking stuff doing little foot drills like i think i could do this right now you know what i mean but you always miss it i would imagine that even if you you you ran your career out and you were healthy you ended you know you went out just when you wanted to how you wanted to that you would still

crave that like the competition you know just organized sport i mean i played through high school and i still when i turned like 30 i was like man i really miss organized sports just going out with dudes playing competing i miss it you know yeah um i don't know what what what do you do like for that do you now i compete with myself i'm learning new stuff um and you get a lot of that competition through your kids you see when they're learning new things they're doing soccer they're doing tennis and i get to see it and watch them with their coach and you know you see their progression on something they've been working on for a long time like i feel like that's the most excitement i get now and it doesn't even have to be in sport. It could be in reading. It could be math. Like, that is the new competition.

And then I picked up boxing. I started that a couple years ago. And really thinking when you're tired and learning something that I've never done in my life. You know, see how that progression's gone. That's where I get some competition out. I started golfing a little bit. It's like everyone does that. Yeah, right.

You friends with Wahlberg, aren't you? A little bit. How's he in the ring? I haven't fought him yet. Yet? Yeah. You going to get him? I might have to take him down.

How old are you? I'm 38. What is he? Probably like 50. I don't know. You to take him down. How old are you? I'm 38. What is he? Probably like fit. I don't know. You guys all look young. All you Hollywood folk, man. I read that you're 48.

I thought you were like 32 or something. Wahlberg's 53. You can take him, bro. He's 53. Yeah. He's on 100,000 supplements. Gets up at 3 in the morning, praying for an hour, fighting for an hour, golfing for an hour. It's going to be a tough fight, dude. Wahlberg would be a tough one.

He's a good golfer. Is he? He's a really good golfer. He's a good dude. He is. He was actually one of the first dudes out of the Boston acting community or whatever. Yeah, he popped.

Huh? He popped off early. I was still in high school. But he also, when i was a nobody in new england he invited me to his house once out in here in la because he heard i was out here and he was just a cool dude that like kind of was like yeah he let me hang around and and kind of gave me some words of advice before you started before i was yeah i was like a special teamer still oh nice so he was he

was pretty cool he you know invite me to stuff and he's just a cool ass dude never did that to me now uh it's a crazy story that people so i i roll up to i i i go and get this acting coach out here this acting coach lee and i this acting coach, Lee. And I roll up there one day. I'm sitting there, and she's, like, going to her back little, like, ADU, and I'm sitting out there, and she goes, oh, can you wait up one sec? I have one of my clients. I'm like, sure, yeah.

This is the first time I ever met with her. I'm, like, nervous as fuck. She gave me some homework. I'm thinking about lines and stuff. Now I got to put weight. Now I'm thinking, like, maybe as fuck. She gave me some homework. I'm thinking about lines and stuff. Now I got to put weight. Now I'm thinking like maybe she's doing this on purpose. Maybe she doesn't have anyone there. She wants me.

Gaming you a little bit. Gaming me a little bit. Roll up in there. It's fucking Casey. Like, what the fuck? And so we kicked it off for a little while. We talked for a little while. And then the next day after our session, she gave me more homework.

And she gave me a fucking scene from Manchester by the Sea. Oh, really? Yeah, the one at the boat dock when you're with your nephew. And he's like busting your balls about keeping the boat. And I was doing that. And the next day I went, like the week after I walked in, I was fucking nervous as fuck that i thought she was gonna make me run lines with you or something like this lady's crazy what is she

thinking it's just it was fun that's when we really first got to meet dude my side of that story i was sitting there with her and i'm like she's like i gotta wrap it up i get someone coming in i was like who do you got coming in oh i was grilling her she's like oh just someone a new client didn't want to say protecting your privacy and i was like i'm not leaving lee you got coming in? Oh, I was grilling her. She's like, oh, just someone, a new client. Didn't want to say, protecting your privacy. And I was like, I'm not leaving, Lee. Who's coming in? And she told me. And I was like, no, I'm really not leaving.

I'm staying here until dude gets here. And I waited. And then you came in. I took like half your time. I was like, not bringing you with questions. I was like, I'm not leaving. I got my time with my man here right now. I got a lot on my mind.

So we stayed there. And then I went back, like, it was a few weeks later. And I was like, I want you to schedule me before Jules, whenever Jules is coming in, I want to be there before. So I got some more things I want to ask him. She was like, no, I can't do that, dude. I'm a professional. She's, she's the best. She's such a, she, she's taught me me a lot and i only worked with her a little time because at that time that's when i landed the job with fox and so then or no with t with inside the nfl and so i put that on hold because i was starting to get nervous for like talking in front of the camera and all that stuff so i didn't get to see her i haven't seen her as much as late but you know she's she's a cool teacher that takes a lot of the time to

learn you and then learns your motivation yeah what motivates you and and and she was able to explain things like i always remember acting is not about right or wrong it's about belief or not belief or something she would say right do you believe or you not believe you know and she's just a interesting lady that i enjoyed every bit with and i gotta get back to her yeah she's very smart she's good with that like i didn't go to i didn't go to theater school or i didn't go to drama you know i never did any of that i never had an acting coach and then i and then um i went to her one time just because i had something to do it was like too much lines I'm getting old

I'm like I just gotta sit with somebody and run them and I met her and she had great advice she's really really good and everyone like I know a lot of other people have worked with her and there that she makes them better yeah she's good you would be a good actor dude you still interested in doing that or you just want to do it for like when you gotta do commercials no I I would be interested i just have an insecurity of being the person on set that does another line like it's like not knowing the play insecurities at all i don't know like that's the only thing i get nervous about is that kind of stuff but i would i'm definitely interested in getting into his lines bro he well gronk

he's funny. We did a parody of fucking Good Will Hunting for the schedule release party. Gronk was your brother, I was Matt, and Ernie Adams was fucking Robin Williams. So it was a fun thing. And Rob was like, I get so excited when I have to do lines. I sit there and I just practice them for six or seven days by myself i love remembering like that's that's rob you know um let's get back

to the instigators so movie shot in boston takes place in boston a lot of north shore south shore all around because it was a quincy and stuff it's all over the beach yeah all that what's it like shooting a movie when you go back home is is it is it a hassle because of people that you know or do you like doing it because i remember when i go play games in like the bay area or in california i gotta get 40 tickets i gotta deal with you know yeah right you're really you're here for work you're here for a job now how do you handle that when you have to go back and shoot something in, you know, upper northeast? Well, in this case, you know, more people want to go see Matt.

So I'm like, you know, talk to Matt. I'm sure he'll get you get you on set. I mean, they're like, really? I'm like, yeah, go ask him. But I think that like the first time I went back to work in Boston, you know, they love you. They're great. They're like, they want you there. They want you shooting. And then on day two, they're like, get off my fucking street, bro,

the lights and the noise. And then you have to endure the next 50 days of them like poking holes in your tire. And, you know, they don't want the trucks there. They don't want the shit. So they're not, uh, they, I, you know, a lot of movies go to Boston and Massachusetts has been really good for the industry and we've been good for the city. But like the people there understandably get sick of having movies coming and going constantly in their neighborhood. I love going there because I would rather live in Boston than be living out here. So I get to go spend a few months there.

And it's not like going to Budapest or pittsburgh like some place that's different you know where you don't know anyone and you get to be home everything's familiar um so i love it and when i come up with projects i'm always like we can do this in boston i think yeah so i love doing it but on the other hand like a lot of people i knew i've been gone for over 30 years man so a lot of people i know are gone it's not like i don't have to not 40 people knocking on my door you know it's just a few and um but i love i love doing it and you have a house there no should you stay at a hotel stay at my mom's one time yeah i did and i. I still stay at the folks' house. Or you just get an apartment or whatever.

Yeah. But it's nice that you get to go see games, like all the teams you want to see. You're there. You get to go. I used to work at Fenway. So, like, going home, I always go back there. It's like a core memory, those years of every home game,

working at Fenway Park. It's like my eighth grade into high school. It's like like so that's the first stop and then um then you make the rounds and see all your favorite places and what food spots any food spots shit man food spots have changed as you know the city changed so the last like especially the last 10 years it's like everything's different a lot of those restaurants gone just the old places you go you know leo's sandwich shop just gone you know and like but i'll go uh i hit my indian spot maharaja that's the best indian

in the country let's go baby santuka has good ramen over there newberry i think that's what it's like 15 years old on newberry street yeah off of newberry one that's for all the fancy people that's where you roll around. I mean, I go to South. I go to Reno's in East Boston for some good lobster ravioli. You go there, there's really good. Julisco's in East Boston, my favorite Mexican. That's been there for a while.

Leone's over in Somerville for some fucking sheet pizza. Oh, yeah. I used to like going there. Pinocchio's in Cambridge, right? Yeah. That's where a dude dreamed up Facebook. Yeah. Yeah.

That's right. One of my favorite things about the instigators is the areas of Boston that we're shot in. Because usually like Boston movies, it's like Southie or North End or all these. But like you even, no spoiler, but chasing like in his alley in Back Bay. Yeah. And how you like utilize certain parts

that are just generally not seen in Boston movies before was cool oh nice yeah you had the police is that where you were at

did you live in Back Bay I lived in the Back Bay I lived over there for eight years I lived in Foxborough my first six you lived in Foxborough Foxborough

Plainville Rentham or Rentham those are the towns that we would play in high school but otherwise never go to yeah Lived in Foxborough? Foxborough, Plainville, Rentham. Payson, maybe. Rentham. Those are the towns that we would play in high school, but otherwise never go to. Yeah.

Just didn't know anyone out there. No reason. Yeah, kind of sticks. Sticks. I mean, there's some good food. The Plainville Deli was always good. There was a little Italian deli. I'll still go back and check that out. When you joined the team,

were you supposed to have a rite of passage? You've got to go live out at the... No, but you're're not gonna live in the city when you're trying to make a team i mean i had roommates until like my fourth year fifth year like i mean no furniture it was like mercenary life yeah pizza boxes you're fucking shane vreen used to order dominoes we just stacked the boxes use it as like a side table and shit you know what i mean like dudes think of anyone who's in the pros in any sport as having made it they're rich they're loaded especially now when everyone shows up they do they're like dressed to the nines showing up at the park or whatever but like that's not the case no you know 80 i would say 60 of the team

is you know making a league minimum, which is great money. But you got to think about if at that time it was like 385, 390, you know, you don't even know if you're gonna make the team. You got to make the team to make that 390. Or if you're on practice squad, it's 100 racks. You know, you're getting 100 grand. So, you know, and there's a lot of moving parts. You know, you could be on another team you know you could get traded it wasn't until i felt like i had an established foundation of equity with you know the team in the area that that's when i went to

boston right you know and it must have felt good it felt really good and i enjoyed going home i remember my first four years like i was literally in the backyard of the stadium like you just it was a fucking grind you know i enjoyed the 25 30 minute drive in the morning reverse commute so you didn't have bad traffic you know i i enjoyed that it'd wake me up it helped me get ready for the day start the day right and i could handle like my personal life on the drive back yeah you know on the phone yeah because that's the only time you catch me is if you know on the phone i'm in my car or i'm chilling you worked hard man you were focused very focused yeah i mean

had to wasn't good enough not to be yeah you were good enough some guys i could just slap it out there that's not really true yeah they don't stick around long but there's guys that can fuck around have one two three good years you don't have a really then it starts to come apart yeah and then things catch up injuries happen you know it's a lot of prevention type stuff that you gotta you gotta take your body's your temple bro yeah and that that thing and especially nowadays with all the technology the information i wrote a um a movie once about these two in fact the yanks these two yankees in the 70s who i don't know if you ever heard this story true story they traded wives yes yes yes yeah wife swap not only a wife

a family popular category dogs every they traded lives in the middle of the season. They went out like it was like swingers style, like 70s. They were like, hey, let's like trade, you know, one night, like let's swap couples or whatever. And then it kind of stuck. They stayed with it. And then one couple really fell in love. And the other couple was sort of into it but

that it didn't work as a relationship but then it was this was when journalists didn't talk about the private lives of athletes that was taboo you didn't do it you know i mean and the journalists traveled with the team so they all knew them and they all knew they were around the partying they knew all the stories mickey Mantle, wild stories, but they never reported on it. And so what happened was, interesting story, this was going on for a while. They were, like, living in each other's houses,

taking care of the other person's kids, the whole thing. And the Yankees weren't doing so well. The Mets that year were playing great. And one of the, it was like a daily news, someone decided they pulled their person that usually covered the Yankees from the locker room and they went to travel with the Mets. And someone else got cycled in and it was a woman.

And the Yankees said, we're not going to have a woman covering the team in the locker room. It was like just straight up sexism. And they blocked her. And she heard about this story because everybody knew about it. She was like, OK, like, I'm not going to be allowed to cover the team because I'm a woman. I'm going to how about I just write this story, wrote the story of this of this uh what was happening um and i'm simplifying it all and this then the story broke so now everyone is and now all the other journalists feel like they have to cover this story too because they got scooped and they're like this is kind of a weird story i guess we

better write about it even though everyone knew like you're not supposed to talk about the private lives of athletes and then and then it became a national story johnny carson's telling jokes about it every night you know what i mean like yes the yankees better cancel family day that kind of stuff you know what i mean and they're like and then it sort of became like a lot of pressure on these guys and they one of the one of the couples broke up and the other couple stayed together they stayed married had their own kids stayed married all the way until the end until uh that player passed away a few years ago but um but in the researching that story to write it into a movie that i learned i didn't talk to all these journalists and uh who were at the time

covering the yanks and i learned like what their lives were like and even for the best players it was not they weren't rolling high you know they were like trying to make ends meet um even guys that weren't out there partying doing stuff they were still just trying to like pay their mortgage you know what i mean even when they're performing really at the highest level so it's only till just like the 80s when athletes start getting i don't know if it's the same for football but definitely in baseball it was just until kind of recently that people started becoming millionaires and stuff What do you got Jack?

Yeah crazy, the Daily News never misses a chance to throw a little like pot shot in the headline here so from that story back in the 70s two Yank pitchers trade wives Peterson and Kikich hurl change-ups. They never miss a chance for a bad joke.

I get done thinking about the wife swap in the fucking Chappelle show. Is this a lightsaber? The black couple or the white couple? Oh, my God. We'll be right back after this quick break. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. When you're just starting out in your career, you have a lot of questions like,

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Yeah, I think a lot about that quote. What is it? Like you miss 100 percent of the shots you never take? Yeah. Rejection is scary, but it's better than you rejecting yourself. Together, we'll share what it really takes to thrive in the early years of your career without sacrificing your sanity or sleep. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. How do you feel about biscuits? Hi, I'm Akilah Hughes, and I'm so excited about my new podcast, Rebel Spirit, where I head back to my hometown in Kentucky and try to convince my high school to change their racist mascot, the Rebels,

into something everyone in the South loves, the biscuits. I was a lady rebel. Like, what does that even mean? The Boone County rebels will stay the Boone County rebels with the image of the Biscuits. It's right here in black and white in print. A lion.

An individual that came to the school saying that God sent him to talk to me about the mascot switch is a leader. You choose hills that you want to die on. Why would we want to be the losing team?

I just take all the other stuff out of it. Segregation academies. When civil rights said that we need to integrate public schools, these charter schools were exempt from that. Bigger than a flag or mascot. You have to be ready for serious backlash. Listen to Rebel Spirit on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm David Eagleman from the podcast Inner Cosmos, which recently hit the number one science podcast in America. I'm a neuroscientist at Stanford, and I've spent my career exploring the three-pound universe in our heads.

We're looking at a whole new series of episodes this season to understand why and how our lives look the way they do. Why does your memory drift so much? Why is it so hard to keep a secret? When should you not trust your intuition? Why do brains so easily fall for magic tricks? And why do they love conspiracy theories? I'm hitting these questions and hundreds more because the more we know about what's running under the hood, the better we can steer our lives.

Join me weekly to explore the relationship between your brain and your life by digging into unexpected questions. Listen to Inner Cosmos with David Eagleman on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's go back into time. So this is a segment where we go back around the time of the game when it was played, and we talk about a little bit of pop culture.

This was July 24, 2004. Number one movie, iRobot. You ever see that? No. That's Will Smith, right? Apocalypse one? Yep. Oh, is it?

That's like Robot, futuristic. Or is it I Am Legend? I Am Legend. I Am Legend is the Apocalypse. No, both are him. Both are him? I Am Legend is apocalyptic. I, Robot is maybe robots.

Is this Bridget? Yeah, this is Bridget. Oh, this is Bridget. This is Bridget Moynihan. I, Robot. Okay. Okay. Tom Brady.

There we go. Number one song, Leave, Get Out. Too cool to come on the pod huh too cool to come on the pod too cool to come on the fucking pod who wouldn't come on tom fucking brady tv wouldn't show up i mean not yet maybe not yet we've been left at the oh my god you're left at the altar one was worth six i don't know i guess amen he busy with? Everything. Being in the world's number one bachelor of the world. Great team dads. Fucking, you know, getting ready for TV, this, that.

He had time for a roast. He had time for that. He had time for a roast. I heard that paycheck. I'd make time for that, too. My own. Number one song, JoJo, Leave. You remember that song?

Boston Girl, Foxborough High. Let's hear it. Leave, get out, right now. Oh, you want to hear the real song? Boston Girl, Foxborough High. Let's hear it. Leave, get out, right now. Oh, you want to hear the real song? I was trying to make sure we cleared the rights. Motorola Razr released the phone. Do you have a Razr? No.

I had a Razr. The Razr was sick. I think I was like a junior in high school right here. The Razr, I had a black Razr flip phone. Thought it was sick. Shake i was like a junior in high school right here the razor i had a black razor flip phone thought it was sick shake shack opened its first location burger fan big deal are you burger fan are you vegan right i've been a vegan for 28 years how you liking it i'm good with it yeah yeah i feel all right yeah you feel better i managed to put i got a little bit of meat on me it's harder to put on muscle, but you stay lean and stay healthy. Clear idea.

Come on over, man. Come on over. When I would play, I would do like vegan three days. I'd do like three days where I wouldn't eat meat. What was the idea there? When I would try to lean up for like a photo shoot or something. That'd be like men's health or something so i thought you were gonna say yeah you know just try to get try to get yoked oh she's 12 drops in december

yep i never saw it you never saw it i heard so you don't like watching your movies i don't love watching my movies um and those i didn't even really like yeah i shouldn't say that I didn't even really like. Yeah. I shouldn't say that. I didn't like those movies. I didn't like this. It's just not my kind of thing. Yeah. Have you never watched Good Will Hunting? I saw Good Will Hunting. Yeah.

I regretted it. I regretted watching it. Why? What was it? I took some notes. It's not like watching film, you know, when you're the MVP of the Super Bowl, dude. It's like. I hate that.

Over and over you're like yeah look at that catch i'm watching i'm like you know a lot of other people have manipulated what you've done and also you just have to live with what you've done i don't know it's like hearing your voice on the answering machine or something i just don't like it i don't like watching like re-watching our shit even though i do it with the coach sometimes just to kind of see where i can get better watch these i don't watch these but like my tv stuff i don't like watching these at all but yeah they give you media training for this teach you what you can say what you can't say for

this yeah no this is just we own this this is where we produce this right right yeah got you and we also just cut the stuff yeah myspace was a social media platform you remember did you have a myspace i didn't jump on that you didn't jump on my remember, did you have a MySpace? I didn't jump on that so you're a little older see what was happening in 2004 was I was having a kid so I wasn't paying attention to are you stressed McDest?

yeah, I was like, what? I was a young dude I had a pregnant girlfriend and I was going to have a baby it was the best year of my life it changed everything for the better. But I wasn't getting the new Razor or watching JoJo or starting my MySpace fan base. You could have had so many cool pictures of your new baby on MySpace. I know.

Oh, my God. Moving around that top eight. I was a junior in high school growing up in Silicon Valley. So all those things were at the heat of everything. Facebook. It was crazy. Were you Mr. Popular in high school growing up in silicon valley so like all those things were at the heat yeah i bet of everything facebook it was crazy are you mr popular in high school no no i wasn't mr popular you're the qb you're a good looking dude yeah but i was like an undersized kid still i didn't hit puberty until i was like 18 i was like 5-2 until like my senior year and you were still five i was five i was five two i was like five five my junior year i was like i sprouted to like five eight my senior year i started playing quarterback my sophomore

year i was late you made up for it though late in life let's go into the sports world of 2004 the college football national championship lsu is that a saban lsu uh yes i believe that was the one saban one for the tigers college football guy no no i'm boston see that goes to our that goes to our shit we always talk about i always say that i grew up in the bay boston college that's right which is very similar to boston where we're a pro sport area yeah but when you have great pro sports teams it takes a lot of the energy. Yeah. Super Bowl champions. New England Patriots. Yeah, that's when they're second.

So you guys got to be starting to feel some juices in Boston. Oh, hell yeah. At this point. You know, Sox are knocking at the door. Patriots got a couple. Where does that bring us in the hierarchy of Boston sport fan for you in the sports? What do you mean? Baseball, basketball, football, hockey. I grew up playing baseball.

So baseball won. I worked at Fenway. Baseball was number one. One. My dad was a huge football fan. It's where he probably made more money betting on football than he did working at the bars. Hell, yeah.

So it was always football for Dad. Boston guy. Boston guy, standard. Keep going. When I was a kid I skated hockey I skated with Bobby Orr one time so I so but I I lost interest in it and uh too small got beat too many times I get and I didn't like I like baseball better so that's uh that's our rank and basketball was last basketball was like yeah what was I gonna do Sox town you're a Sox guy I mean I

loved Celtics uh But I didn't. I couldn't play. Yeah. I get it. What did you play in high school? Baseball. Baseball? Okay.

Play some baseball. Cambridge Ridge Latin? Let's go, baby. Yeah. Let's go, baby. The worst baseball team in the state. The only way I made varsity. What did you play?

What position? I played shortstop. Oh, let's go. No ma. No ma. And I came. When I missed it, I was saying I missed playing so much. I came out here and I started a baseball team.

We played the LA Park and Rec League. Hard pitch. And then we, yeah. And then we played in the Wood Bat League, Beverly Hills Wood Bat League, 2014 city champs. Let's go. Let's break it down. So I kept playing and then until just a couple of years ago when I had surgery

on my elbow. You got to hit the soft pitch, slow pitch softball now, dog. I don't know if I can. They're fun. I used to be a ringer with my dad. I used to go play on his team because I went to junior college for a year, so I was still at home. Yeah.

He'd hit me up on Wednesday nights like, hey, let's go. Yeah? We need you. Line them up. It hit bombs. Now, wait. 2004, though, can we just talk for a minute about game three? Oh, 1,000%. Line them up. It hit bombs. Now wait. 2004 though. Can we just talk for a minute about game three?

Oh, 1,000%. I was at game three in New York. Matt and I actually were there. We're sitting on third baseline. Only people in Yankee Stadium. This is 2004. We are down. That game, we lost that game.

So we're down three, right? Am I getting it right? Yeah. And A-Rod is there at third. And I don't think I've ever had this happen. game we lost that game so we're down three right uh am i getting it right yeah and um a rod is there third and i don't think i've ever had this happen i've been to a million baseball games dude and been loud and i've never had the players acknowledge me and dude we're there the only people i think wearing red socks hat ballsy move in Yankee Stadium. And I'm being loud. And eventually, A-Rod looks over right at us, just stares.

It gives a look of like it's just a mosquito that's been in his ear all night. You know what I mean? Like hate, you know, just annoyance, hate. And then he goes back to the game. One of my proudest moments as a fan, as a fan. And then we lose that game that's the last game of the curse i like to think that we broke the curse then it's the first game in boston right which is game four that game which i said i guess big yeah poppy on to talk

about or whatever but i i have i know a lot of people talk about it but when i was thinking about that game i was like the when I was thinking about that game, I was like, the most interesting thing about that game is how, and he wouldn't say this probably, is how unremarkable it actually was. It was like, there was no historically good performance on the mound or at the plate. It was like, their guys were slumping.

Baratek was kind of slumping. Everyone stayed kind of slumping. Who was at second? He had a few. Petey. Yeah. It was Petey. It was Petey. It was Petey. Pedroia. Everyone stayed kind of slumping. Who was at second? He had a few. Petey. Yeah. It was Petey. Pedroia.

No, it wasn't. No, it wasn't. It was Pokey Reese. It was Pokey Reese back then. No, it wasn't. It was a couple infield errors. It was not a great game. It wasn't a shutout.

It wasn't a blowout. It's just they went back and forth. They had the lead. We had the lead. They had the lead. Am I right? With the extras, too, I think a little bit. And then in the ninth inning, they had the lead, we had the lead, they had the lead. Am I right? With the extras, too, I think, a little bit. And then, in the ninth inning, they bring in Rivera,

and the only unusual thing that happens, other than it being like we're on the brink of falling apart, of losing the season, is that he walks the lead off batter. And then it was like, that never happened. And then things started to turn. The Dan Roberts deal. And then we tied it up, and then it went over. But it only went like a few innings.

Mark Bellhorn. Yeah, Mark Bellhorn. Bellhorn and Veritech were both slumping, and then Bellhorn had a couple errors. Good dude, good player, bad game, whatever. And so it was kind of like a nothing game. It was only in the context of the hundred year picture of what was happening that it becomes a great game because, you know, Pig Papi hits it out to win the game. That was,

but he's doing that. That's even not even that uncommon. You know what I mean? Like how many times did he had a walk off? So Ortiz gets to walk off as a big celebration and they stay alive, but it only becomes an important game because it was the first game that starts the next seven where they just run it. So that's why I love that game. It's just like everyday baseball in a weird way, and it's just the big picture story of it that makes it awesome. And another one of those games, classic Yankees-Red Sox,

takes about four hours. It's a war of attrition. No one leaves. Stadium's still packed. But you're right. Then there are those moments where it switches and becomes historic. Who was it? Derek Lowe?

Where does it say? Derek Lowe would have been in game four. The one we came back was... That was Derek Lowe. Yep. It was Derek Lowe. Derek Lowe, Mike Timlin. He was not being given.

For some reason, I feel like he had something to prove. Oh, yeah. What was it? Was he dropped or something? He was like pissed. I think. But he was absolutely insane that postseason run. Let me see what that was.

But he only threw a few. He gave up a few runs. He only threw like four or five innings. I don't know if you have the stats. But it was all kind of like, meh. Like, where's this going? Did you go any more games after you went to game three? You didn't see the rest.

I didn't see the rest. That was the only one I could get to. And I had a brand new baby. My son was born May 31, 2004. I remember we were in this tiny apartment in New York. When they won, I'm watching it on TV. Kid is sleeping. My girlfriend didn't care about baseball. It's one room.

Bed, TV, kitchen. I'm like silently like, fuck it. It's going crazy. She's like, what is happening? Shut up. The infant is sleeping. I was like losing my mind. Who's your first call? Was it your dad? what is happening? Shut up. You know, the infant is sleeping. I was like losing my mind.

Who's your first call? Is it your dad? I think you got it. I don't know. Maybe it was my brother. I don't know where he was. It might've been a dude. I worked at Fenway with this guy.

We worked like every home. It wasn't even a very good friend of mine at the time, but I, he was the kid I watched 100 million games with. Losing, always losing. Oakland A's coming in. Only home runs we ever caught when I was there was the other team. They'd come over the monster and go, like, get the ball. It was never our club, you know what I mean?

What did you do at Fenway? I just sold sausages and hot dogs. You have a good, like, sausage hit? Get your sausage hit oh yeah yeah i was out there i was so young you know when you're young you don't know how young you look but if you're in eighth grade i also i didn't hit puberty till i was like eighth grade sausages yeah you were running down those stairs no dude worse i'm i'm behind the green monster in a in a sausage stand

outside on the street. Oh, so you're one of the street sausage guys. And I'm there. So when I get out of school, I go over to the park, set up the thing. Sausages are 100 days old. Pulling the rats off.

I'm putting the sausages on the grill. And then you work. People coming in drunk. A million drunks coming. Give me a sausage, kid. You know what I mean? And then everyone's. People coming in drunk, a million drunks coming, give me a sausage, kid. You know what I mean? And then everyone's in the park. We'd sneak in.

We'd give food to the guy that turned style. We'd watch the games from like the 4th to the 7th. And then we'd come out, and then people were really drunk coming out, and you're serving them sausages on the way home. And then the guy who owned my stand would just go into the Cask and flag and which is a big bar the corner big famous bar again i'm in eighth grade i look like i'm seven years old and he's like come in brock you didn't want to give me a ride home until you'd had a few so i go in and i wait in the bar no one gives a shit that i'm sitting there at the bar the guy has a few more drinks then he gives me a ride home i get home at 11 30 at night my

mom's like do your homework go to bed that was my day you know jesus i fucking love that have you been back to fenway since you've become somebody did you sign the wall did you go on the monster and sign the wall yeah that's the cool thing you get to go sign the wall yeah they have like the coolest names everyone's in there like if you boston where like the scorekeeper is you know you gotta go in used to go take p's uh between innings or during the innings i don't think he's going to take p's probably going to him i was talking to the guy who's in there doing the scoreboard it's like this is exactly who you think he was he was in contract negotiation with fenway he was like if it doesn't go my way i'll

be on the show i'll blow blow him up. I'll tell you everything. So I must have went his way. Oh my gosh, bro. Beautiful park. There's all those little, there's like the scorekeeper. There's all these little, I've gotten to see the like underbelly of the park. So sick. Let's jump into the Yankees.

Wait, we gotta do Boston real quick. Alright, hit the Boston. Should we run through these socks real quick? Run through these socks, Jack. 98 and 64. Came in second in the AL East that year. They were the wild card team. Well, Terry. Coming off, we got to set the stage here a little bit.

Coming off a game seven loss the year before in the ALCS, we remember that. The freaking Aaron Boone game. That was not fun. So, Grady Little gets axed after that season. This is the first year with Tito as manager. Terry Francona. Pick up Schilling, Pokey Reese, Keith Folk in the offseason.

Pretty big acquisitions down the stretch. Third year, the Theo Epstein era. Boy genius. Second year with the Monster Seats. We're talking Monster. Oh, is that right? I remember when they put those in. I was watching SportsCenter.

I was a California kid. We didn't get any of the Red Sox, Yankees shit. Yeah. We were full SF. Yeah. Dodgers. That was like our... You hated the Dodgers.

Still do. Yeah. There's always like these crazy fights from the Giants and Dodgers. Dodgers, they... I was just going to say, there's a shanking every year. Every year with the rivalry.

Yeah. And then we can't talk about 04 without talking about Nomar getting traded in August. Crazy, man. Which could have been because of this game. It could have been. It could have been. I mean, we thought you picked this game because of the fight with Veritech

and A-Rod. Yeah, yeah. Bench is clear. Yeah, right. One guy didn't go. One guy didn't clearRod. Yeah, yeah. Bench is clear. Yeah, great. One guy didn't go. One guy didn't clear the bench. Yeah. Nomar.

He was an interesting dude. I mean, how would he have done in the era of the faster game? Would they have policed his, like, 20-minute fucking routine before he comes to the plate? Because then the pitcher is going to run out of time. Like, how does the clock work? Nomar in the pitch clock era would be a menace, bro. He'd get a pitch clock TUE.

Like, it's an exemption because fucking OCD, man. If they ain't going to let me do my thing. Walk up to the plate and hand the doctor's note. Yo. And, of course, this is the year. The idiots. The scruffy guys, the beards. The long hair. Johnny Damon.

Those guys really rallying the troops, baby. Tough team not to root for. Yeah. What about these New York Yankees, Jackie? The evil empire, baby. We're going full Homer this episode. 101 and 61 won the AL East again. Seventh straight year winning that thing.

Coming off a World Series loss a season prior. Lost to six in six to the Marlins, Dontre Willis teams, Jack McKeon. Those are some good Marlins teams. And this was the first A-Rod year. We mentioned earlier the Red Sox lost out on the A-Rod sweepstakes after he was leaving the Rangers and he lands in New York. This is a big star power Yankees team.

I mean, you got the Giambis, the Jeters, the Flash Gordons, the Kenny Loftons, Matsui. I mean, this was Bernie Williams. Gary Sheffield. Gary Sheffield. That was a squad. This was a squad. This was a squad.

Gary Sheffield. Mariano. Mariano. Come on now. We can't forget the GOAT. I know. Mr. Blonze. He's got some crazy stats.

El Duque. El Duque, he was pitching game four. I believe so, yes. Let me double check that one. Great windup. See, man, Casey, great memory. Even though I was on the Bay, I was on the West Coast for this. This is high school, heat of my Bay Area time.

No matter where you were in the country, you hated the Yankees. I hated the Yankees. I didn't know anything about the Yankees other than Babe Ruth and fucking Willie Jackson or whatever and all those guys, but I hated the Yankees just because everyone talked so highly of them always on SportsCenter because that's how we digested our sports back then. You didn't watch the game because we didn't have tickets. We didn't have fucking satellite TV.

You see it on SportsCenter. I was like, they got all the pub. I fucking hated the Yankees. Yeah, because you're a good man. That's why. I don't know about that. Because you're a good dude. You have a good heart.

You know the difference between an evil baseball team and everyone else. And a gritty. They just have too much money. It's not the spirit of baseball to just buy players, to buy the best all the time. But didn't the Red Sox do that eventually? No, I don't know what you're talking about. Nah.

That was not us, bro. No, we didn't. We embraced the money ball. We started getting guys that were like, not that. You know what I mean? Not these big stars. We started putting it together, Theo. But you had i guess boston and new york boston and san francisco like we didn't know anything about san francisco what was going on out there really but that was

a it's a also a similarly great town for sports and growing up it was awesome we had the 49ers joe montana steve young Jerry Rice, big football area, Giants. I mean, we loved – we all loved Barry Bonds. Barry Bonds, Jeff Kent, Benito Santiago, throwing from the knees, John Beck. Remember John Beck with the fucking jerry curl mullet? He'd come out.

He was our closer. We loved the Giants. We got close a few times. It was a fucking rally monkey from la got us with that stupid remember that the rally monkey what was that los angeles angels they had the rally monkey we were up like 3-1 in the series and they bust out this fucking rally monkey thing is that a mascot i don't know what the fuck it is live like monkey it was like a monkey that they brought in this one point of the game

and they kept it throughout the whole series. They came back and won it. Came back and won it. I learned a lot about, you know who Earl Smith is? Earl Smith. He worked for the Golden State Warriors and also for the Niners. Yeah. As their like, you know, pastor, I guess, as their like team, you know pastor yes is there like yeah team team you know you pray

with them and stuff and when i would start i had this baseball team i played on and we started to go up and play at saint quentin against the prisoners just because they had a baseball team and so i learned about this guy who had started their baseball program and he was the uh he worked at the prison mostly they're trying to get guys to come to church and stuff. But then he started a baseball program. And he realized that he couldn't get the prisoners to come to church and pray, but he could get them. It was a time when St. Quentin had all these gang wars going on and stuff. And he was like, I could get them to play basketball and baseball together from different gangs, different races.

I couldn't ever get them to come to church. So he started this program. And then it kind of blew up. And then we heard about it. And so I took my baseball team up there and we started playing them every year. We'd go up and play against them. And so I got to know Earl. Amazing dude.

Incredible life story. He'd been shot six times in the head and neck. Survived. He'd gone on to seminary school. and you know he started out as like a gangbanger and then he ended up doing this and now he and so one time he invited us up to watch the last game between between the raiders and uh and the niners i guess gang fight a lot of gang fights on those ones a lot of gang fights dude oh yeah i'm like what is going on so we're down on the sideline with him and my kids, which was like a really special moment because we're up close.

What stadium? We were in the stadium that I guess was since closed in Oakland. Candles in Oakland? Coliseum. Coliseum, which is now done, right? Yeah. She gone. Yeah.

So we were there. And so it was a really big deal because there was the rivalry and it was the last time they were going to play against each other because then they left. So there was like 16 brawls. Oh, yeah. I mean, and the game's just going on, and I'm looking at, like, there's 30 people fist fighting up there in the stands, and no one's paying any attention.

No, yeah, that sounds about right. It's crazy. Yeah, L.A. Dodgers, when the Dodgers play the Giants, that's usually four or five stabbings. You know, when the Raiders play the Niners, over-runners usually eight fights. I mean, it's fucking nuts. My mom, being a ballsy lady that she is,

we went and played in the Coliseum, like, my second year. My mom wore my fucking jersey in there. And, like, if you're at an Oakland Coliseum Raiders game, you're either a Hells Angel, a Blooder or a Crip, an Orteño Serrano or like some fucking weird dude that's a lawyer that dresses up in spikes and shit so everyone is legitimately

just fucking crazy and they haze everyone who comes into the stadium my mom rolls up in my jersey she's like shut up my son's from the Bay Area and you ain't gonna say shit to me like i'm like oh my god let's go in my mom is fucking crazy how many people did she stab no no she's got it in no i wouldn't mess with hands bro she got that dog in her that's right all right she got that dog in

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And the Sox, we're slumping a little bit. Lost three of the last four. The Yankees, on the other hand, won four in a row. It's a Saturday afternoon game. Nice and quiet, just, you know, you're at home, napping on the couch, watching a little game of the week on Fox. This is a brawl game, though. All hell

breaks loose. Calm before the storm. Calm before the storm. We got to preface this with the fight the year before in the game three of the 2006, 2003 ALCS. Pedro versus Don Zimmer. There's already been bad. Let me just say this about that. Pedro, Pedro versus Don Zimmer. So there's already been bad. Let me just say this about that.

Pedro, that wasn't fair how people talked about that. It was not. Because Don Zimmer charged at him. And he was standing there just defending himself. And he just used the man's weight. You know what I mean? And he ended up falling down because he's an old guy and he was worked up. And it didn't make me happy to see it. I know. But't but it wasn't fair to say that pedro threw this man to the

ground absolutely not hey man no matter what age you are you come charge it get your ass ready get your ass ready that old ass i mean you want to mess with the what he's going to do yes what was he so angry i don't remember exactly what started that fight, whereas this one was like so clearly the plunking of A-Rod. He mushed him. He could have punched this old guy. Yeah, he laid him down easy, baby. Yeah, Pedro gets a bad rap for that one. I'm with you.

But that's definitely a memorable moment. That was still brewing from earlier in the year, and this was really a heat of Yankees, Red Sox, hatred, and rivalry. I've got a question for you. earlier in the year. And this was really a heat of Yankees, Red Sox, hatred and rivalry. I've got a question for you. So when was the darkest moment of being a Boston fan? Is it before the 2000 Patriots? Is it 03 with the Red Sox before they break through?

When's really the darkest before the dawn? It's definitely before the Pats start winning. That was when light broke through the clouds there. And then the So socks came up but uh so so maybe it's just the 90s is everyone i can't remember what's happening with the bruins but i think everybody was just losing and there's a few years there where to make matters worse we had like hope there was hope there was socks looked like they might i can't't remember when Morgan Magic was. That was like in late 90s. Remember?

We won 30 games. They replaced the. We got a new manager and we won the first like 30 games in a row. It was like a miracle. Everyone thought this is it. We're making a run for it now. And then we just started losing again. And I think people thought it's never going to it. We're making a run for it now. And then we just started losing again. And I think people thought, it's never going to happen.

We're cursed. That was maybe the darkest moment. And the Pats, what was going on in the late 90s? They went to the Super Bowl with Bledsoe in 95-4, got smoked. And then they went against 85 Bears. They were leading at that game 3-0 but then got smoked in 85 85 i was 10 years old i can't i'm not i wasn't paying attention yeah mid to late 90s you have to make jumps like by the decade to find little good moments of

yeah it was rough it's pretty much how new york is right now yeah it's been a decade since they've had a championship in any sport of the big four there wow it could be decade plus could be decade plus which i think is honestly bad for sport they need like it's kind of embarrassing yeah like we gotta they gotta start getting this thing up a little more they have all the money what's the problem yeah it's weird distractions i'm with you though it is good for sports when a new york team is like in the mix a little bit because everyone likes rooting for not rooting but yeah i have to have a bad guy what do they call it the protagonist in the movie antagonist you know you need that so year before in 03 they lose in the ALCS to these guys, these Yankees.

That had to be must-watch TV any time they played the next year then. Was it for like you? Is it you circled the calendar whenever you're playing the Yankees? Or was it like a special? Was there something special when like you watch that or you see it with a friend, a buddy, a certain superstition that you'd have? Is any of that when you're watching with the Yankees or is it just a little more intensity? It's just a bigger charge.

You just want to see that game. It matters more. It's more important. And you're tracking. Usually, the Yankees, you knew. You were hearing a lot about them, as you say. You're watching SportsCenter. You're hearing a lot about them.

So you know who that team is. You know the players. It's fun to watch. This game was going back and forth. And wasn't it really, it was kind of a shitty game until the third inning where the fight was, right? It was a track meet of a game, like Derek Jeter said after the game. Whoever was at bat last was winning this thing.

A la, you know, some of these Chiefs-Bills shootout we see in modern football. It's weird to think that in baseball, but, like, this game really was that way. A little slow starting. The Yankees get up 3-0. Then we get the fireworks in the third. A-Rod gets plunked with,

it's like a slow curveball, right in the padded elbow pad. And he comes out. He's chirping it, Veritech, chirping it, Veritech. He gives him three FUs, and then the fourth, the FU motherfucker, that's when he gets the mitt in the face. From Veritech. From Veritech he gives him three f us and then the fourth the fu motherfucker that's when he gets the mitt in the face from veritech veritech and all hell breaks veritech's a big dude big guy uh i like i underrated rivalries are between catchers and it's not a catcher but there's

something when the catcher's worked up because he's big they're big always they're armored they look like warriors like the uh thurman munson was the he was the guy yankees way back the same way you know tragic end to his story but like that those are great fights yes like a goalie fight in hockey yes a little bit extra and smartly veritech he doesn't take off the mask he doesn't shed anything he just goes mitt right to the face baby smart man and then he goes for the lift up yeah i saw that he was going for the the leg like he was gonna dip him yeah it's weird yeah he went for i think that you know the fights nowadays you see guys giving one twos which it's not as fun yeah oh it's too far i think it's a little bit too far and you could break a hand

you're on the dl even though there's no incentive to play in baseball because contracts are guaranteed but but you don't actually don't want to break a dude's jaw or break their nose that's like you want to see a wrestling match you want to see like an old school bench clearing like guys there used to be brawls and baseball and people wouldn't really get that hurt you know we see the the veritech a rod is what it starts with then it kind of splinters off and you get a you get a tanyan sturtz hey lofton got tossed kenny lofton's in the mix getting tossed and then you get you get big poppy trot nixon and gabe doing a three-on-one on sturtz who was starting that day he was a starting pitcher getting in there throwing punches doing cheap shots on gabe capler so that really that's one of those moments you know this team's getting

galvanized when when you got three dudes going at one. Also, these dudes are at the top of their game and they're on a winning team. Yes. They don't want to

break their hand, you know, so you know they're really worked up if they're doing something like that because they're pro athletes. They don't want to get hurt out there.

They want to play ball. You can't do that. You can't three on one the picture though. I do like this kind of like if a quarterback throws an interception, you see a fucking defensive lineman try to go back and block the quarterback. That's tacky.

That's tiki-tac. You can't do that. That's bullshit. It's funny. Some of these guys, you hate them for so long because they're on the other team. They're probably nice guys. I don't know Posada. He's probably a lovely dude

but when i see his his face i just think like hey man i hate you but it's not fair you know what i mean he's a total stranger to me you know that probably everyone like a lot of people think like that way of tom oh for sure you know i mean and and it's crazy because whenever someone who hates him meets him, they end up like, yeah, you can't hate the guy. Yeah, right. He's really just a fucking good dude. Did people hate you? Oh, they hated us, bro.

Did they hate you? Yeah. They did. He's easily hateable. Yeah. No, you're not easily hateable, dude. Well, I would go. You got to get to know him.

People, even when they're on the other team, you always like the guys having fun. No, they respected me. They respected me. But I loved taking on that villain role of when we would go. And one of my things was when the team would go out, we were introduced. I'd let Tom go for the first 15 yards because he leads us out.

And then I would start a sprint. And I would sprint all the way to the other end and I'd like give a fist pump jump to like the other crowd they'd be booming and stuff and I like fed off that I loved that I want you know what I mean and it was like but the players on the field nah they all respected and no one you by the time i got older the league has kind of changed like you didn't want to talk shit with me because then i it would piss me off and then i was gonna fuck you up every play and it didn't matter if it was a run play or a pass play something's gonna happen don't don't don't bark up this tree you know what i mean it was like that so and they knew that that'd probably be in the scouting report like don't piss them off right because you know what i mean it was like that so and they knew that that'd probably be in the scouting report like don't piss them off right because you know right i don't know he uses it he uses it yeah

yeah but you weren't talking that much shit to people like person crossing lines if they never crossed lines and it'd be like stupid shit like dude you're like i remember this one db from pittsburgh he had this this fucking Jerry curl thing going on. And I was like, bro, you ain't good. You ain't good looking enough to have that hair. You got to cut that shit like immediately. Like after roasting him on something like I would say shit like that. Like, bro, you have no swag.

Or a guy would come up to me. I remember one time. No swag. This guy comes up to me from it was some i think it was like jacksonville or something we we've already we had like two super bowls at the time i go bro i've forgotten more football important football games than you played into like can you just get the fuck out of my face like that kind of stuff yeah yeah like check the resume get out of here right and people didn't sometimes take it personally but were you ever in a fight on the field me and benny sap almost got in a fight he was a safety for

for uh the dolphins i used to fight and practice a little bit with your own squad yeah what's that about it's because practice was competitive i remember when we first signed gilmore gilmore he came over from buffalo bills and i was like it was kind of like a welcome welcome to the team moment like practice hard here still kind of pissed off that you're making 14 when i route you up every single time we've gone against each other and like it just gets practices are like mini games in the NFL because we don't have 128, 162 games. So those those practices become really competitive. And especially in New England, like they put such an emphasis on execution and competition, because when you do it hard and practice the game, you feel that situation. It's like muscle memory. It's like muscle memory.

It's like deja vu. With the practices I've seen, you guys aren't even fully padded up. There was padded practices and then there's shell days. So when I was first in the league, you could have as many padded practices as you want, which we'd have like two a week usually. Usually Friday would be a fast Friday where you're in shells because you just want to have a nice fast day.

No balls in the ground. And then as I got older and through a second bargain agreement, we were only allowed 15 padded practices a year. So that was to just protect guys. Yeah. That's also why a lot of the offensive line, defensive line plays, like offensive line play for sure has gone to shit because of that, because they need to feel the pads so they can have that rep. Oh, really?

It's like dancing together. You know what I mean? But having the pads means more contact, means more brain injuries, that kind of thing? Yeah. But they just implicated these like new condom things that they put on your helmet for practice that are supposed to distribute the energy. There's a bunch of stuff.

Technology is getting really good right now. That's good because guys are getting so big and fast that someone's going to get very badly hurt. Definitely. I mean, a lot of these rule changes we all bitch and complain about, like they're doing the hip drop tackle where guys from behind can't just drop their weight on the back of the guy's leg anymore wait how does that work so if a guy's

getting tackle or running and a guy comes from behind and he grabs you yeah he can't just drop his weight on the back of your legs anymore that's a 15 yard fine or like if you swing a guy or like the horse collar you can't grab a guy from the behind or a face mask. But the horse collar's been in place for a long time. Probably about 15 years now. But the hip drop's new this year. That's going to be a huge one. You try to get the behavior out through fines and penalty and then it goes through the farming systems of the younger kids.

The only ones I see that I feel like aren't being managed right is the roughing the passer. There's a huge emphasis on that, which they put a rule in now that it is reviewable. Yeah, because sometimes the guy's coming in, he can't change his momentum. No, no, no, but the penalty is reviewable now. So they can go and take a look at it after the flag is done. That was added this year. Because there are too many calls, right?

There's a lot of calls. There's a lot of calls. But we don't want to see our starters get hurt. Right. You know? Yeah. So, Jack, wrap it up. The fight winds down.

We get four guys tossed. Kenny Lofton, Gabe Kapler. Hold on. Here we got. Veritech. Veritech. A-Rod. Kenny Lofton, Gabe Kapler. Hold on. Here we got. Veritech. Veritech. A-Rod. Kenny Lofton.

Tito gets tossed in the fifth for arguing a call. Then in the sixth, all hell breaks loose. The floodgates open. We get 22 total batters, 10 total runs, 10 total hits, seven pitchers used, 89 total pitches. The inning lasts over an hour. Hour. No pitch clock era here, baby.

So then we get it down. We're down 9-4, bottom of the sixth. We cut it. We're down 9-8. Flash forward to the ninth inning. We are down 10-8, going into the bottom of the ninth. We need something here. That's when we get Billy Miller. 3-1 count.

One man on. Blast the walk-off. Two run homer into the bullpen in right field. Liner wins the game. Sox win 11-10. And we're rolling, baby. Galvanize the team. We're moving on.

Boston believes. What's the aftermath, Josh? Josh. Josh, bro. Josh. Red Sox win the World Series Josh? Or Josh. Josh, bro. Josh. Red Sox win the World Series. Red Sox win the World Series. Break the curse. Some suspensions, some fines.

Break the curse. Go 21-7 in August. And we're rolling. No markets traded to the Cubbies. We talked about that. A week after. We win it again. Win it again, baby.

And then five years later, we win it again. Again. So you love the baseball. Yeah, I love it. I love the football. I love watching football now. I mean, there's so many baseball games. I feel like they've extended the season.

How many times in the last, I don't know, it's too many. A bit too many games. It's too much. Playing game and the more and the more. So the football season has taken on like also when you have kids, Sundays are just sacred. You know what I mean? We get together.

We watch all the games. My son was just saying, he's like, I can't wait for the season to start. That's a special feeling. Whereas the baseball season goes on so long that it's not quite as special. The kids' patch fans? Yeah. Yeah. You never know.

They're Browns. Sometimes they pick teams. You're like, all right. You know what I mean? They never know browns sometimes they pick teams you're like all right you know i mean they get super into the browns and you're like let's go could be fantasy they drafted someone i mean it's a different generation yeah and you get fans from everywhere now they well the browns had such a good squad they were fun to root for because they could have done it if they you know mayfield's good dude he's a good qb that was a rough that just was not the right year otherwise they were in place man they had the defense they had love baker i spent a lot of time in northeast ohio and those people are very it's it's very similar to the

boston baseball curse drought where they are with football i mean they're they're fiending for that when they love their sports they love their football up in northeast ohio i i hope that the the browns can get something going here soon because it'd be great for the league you know that's a that's a very old organization that's been around a long time but also like that's like a huge part of football is is ohio yeah that's where a lot of these country fed huge old white linemen great ass like lebron's from there you get a lot of these unbelievable dbs i mean it's a fucking he's like american hard scrabble town you know i mean it's like when you watch like green Bay yeah and Cleveland they're like it's cold as hell when they're playing man it's like yeah that's fun fun football and they don't

like Boston and New York you guys they have they have other sports Green Bay they're only football Cleveland you got basketball but in baseball but they they love football hold on well Jules has beef with someone else who's very relevant to this conversation. I do have a little beef with your brother, too. Why? I was sitting there getting my ankle taped or something, watching SportsCenter or some fucking show on ESPN, and I see your brother come on.

We just won a Super Bowl, and he's talking about, we don't have any receivers. We don't have this. I'm sitting here like, what the fuck? When was this? He has just won the Super Bowl, and he's saying he don't have this. I'm sitting here like, what the fuck? When was this? He has just won the Super Bowl and he said he didn't have receivers? Maybe a year removed

or something. 19 maybe? 2019 season. 19. It's a one-way beef. It's a one-way beef. It's a one-way beef. I just...

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Which one would you like to choose to name this game? I'm going to throw Veritech in there. He deserves to be in there. Veritech versus A-Rod. See, that's a good answer. Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it. Casey, on stakes, regular season, mid-season game,

what are the stakes of this game zero to ten decimals okay we got to grade it right i think the stakes are like a like a seven it wasn't i don't think people understood just how that it was going to be a pivotal game and a turning point for the energy of the team yeah you know what i mean so this is midway through the season but it's yankees red socks so the stakes are auto always automatically lost so i like that score i go six five okay jack did six three i did four nine star power you got a lot of stars in this game big time a lot of hall of famers yep that's a good score i'll go with the eight jack.2, 9.1. We're in the same ballpark here.

Gameplay of this. We have a brawl. Gameplay means like how was the game for the viewer? How was the game as, you know, was it back and forth? Was it a blowout? Was it fun? I was thinking about. I'm going eight and a half because I think that people really love to see

everyone caring a lot, especially in baseball. Dudes roll in. Some days they're phoning it in. Everyone had showed up at the park with compassion. Hey, man. Walk off home run, too. Walk off. Battling, baby.

Yeah. I'm going to go with a 7-8. No, 8. 8-8-8-8-8. I looked at name. Jack did 9-1. I did 9-2. The name of the game, Veritech versus A-Rod.

Cultural relevance of this game. The cultural relevance of this game is pretty high for a baseball game, for a single baseball game. I like that. That's going to get a lot of attention in the sports center and the sports fans. I'm going on 8. I mean, we're still talking about

a regular season baseball game here in 2024. 20 years ago, so it's got to be an 8. What's worse than July baseball? And we're talking about it 20 years later. Hey, we're coming up on the 20th, Annie, baby. Jack did 8.2. I did 7.9. Where does it stand?

7.9. 7.9. Where does it stand? Look at this. 7.9. 7.9. Where does that go in all the games that we've done? That puts it right below the Super Bowl 53, Patriots versus Rams. And then right above the Miracle Miami, BC versus Miami in 1984. The Doug Flutie. Yeah. Now seeing all the other games, I feel like we gave it a slightly inflated score.

A little high, but it's okay. It's okay. Casey, we miss anything from this game? We covered it. We covered it. Everyone, remember to go see the movie Instigators. It'll be available on Apple TV, August 9th. Awesome movie, fun movie, Boston movie. Even if you don't like Boston, it's. Awesome movie. Fun movie. Boston movie.

Even if you don't like Boston, it's a fire movie. Great cast. A lot of awesome people in it. It was fun. Great movie of the summer. Thank you, boys. Thank you, everyone. It was great.

It was fun. I appreciate you, man. Appreciate you, dude. What a fucking treat. Man, he's a smart dude. Love Casey. He's the best. He's a smart guy. He's got like uh he's got like uh what

is i he'd be able to finish what i was thinking like he did a couple times in the episode like he he knows how to he know i'm not like smart enough to say like he he's got like regular people thoughts and able to compute them in a different way he's an artist he's an artist he's an artist but he's also not like too art arty about it he's still he's a guy who played baseball from boston guy from exactly i mean i i like just talking to him i i we didn't get to like half the questions i wanted i know so much stuff you know what i mean it just but things ran out of time he's great a fucking oscar winner fucking Fucking, and I went and, you know, been watching some of his movies.

He's just, he gets into some of these crazy roles, man. He plays them and you really believe the fucking character. And, you know, he's unbelievable. Shout out to Lee, acting coach. Hopefully she'll see this somehow. I don't know if she's into that world instigators is great it's so awesome movie we got the screeners copy screeners whatever yeah it was awesome to watch we watched it as a whole team here in the nut house it was a fun experience we should do

some more of those you know nut house screenings and then like review and then give them like how many nuts we give them yeah three nuts i give that one a five nutter that was a five nut that was five nut all day five out of five nuts five out of five nuts i hope he tells uh matt damon that you call him dudley do right yeah he should he should we'll see i feel like i i snaked out too on on when he said you can't hold a grudge on you know my brother maybe fucking Naflac. Ben, he comes up in here and he apologizes. Maybe there won't be no grudge. Say it to my face,

brother. Wait, wait. Is that Macho Man? Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Macho Man or Angie Savage? Sorry, I went full like, ugh. Where'd that come from? When the grudge talk comes out, I just get all fired up. I know. We're not grudge holders. Nah, we can't be. Even though, yeah. I've got a couple. If we were to talk it out, we wouldn't be a grudge.

There's no grudge. There's just a little, like, un... He knows what I mean. But, you know, being a Boston guy, he knows. You see me and we talk it out, maybe we go. We've got some stuff to talk about. I'm remiss that we didn't get to talk about KCF, like, Dunkin' Donuts, SNL. 100%.

That's the best representation of a Massachusetts person. Cigarette outside the store while he's drinking his coffee inside the store because it's too fucking cold and he wants to smoke. I need to hear his dunk order too. He's got the crack screen. We want to get the dunk order. Yeah, no, he's great. That was awesome. So much so.

And he's been in, dude, his career's been a long, he's got a long career. He's been around 20 years damn near. Been in a lot of good stuff. And he's worked with longer. I mean, he's been in, dude, his career's been a long, he's got a long career. He's been around 20 years damn near. Been in a lot of good stuff. And he's worked with. Longer. I mean, he's got an Oscar and he's worked with some of the most incredible actors of our generation. I mean, all the big names.

I felt bad about asking him had he watched Good Will Hunting. He's like, he was a little bit. Just because like being from Boston, that's such a culturally relevant movie from boston that if you like even if you're in it whatever like being from the that time in that era to not see that you could tell he's a competitor though and like he probably sees that when he watches his film and it's a competitive competitiveness with himself yeah that like man i would because he said i think i could have done it better yeah i understand that i hate that point of Games for Games.

But he seemed really happy. He seemed great spirit. He looked great. No, he was awesome. God, I wanted to ask him what it was like to meet Bernie Mac on the set of Oceans. Damn. Yeah. RIP Bernie, we love you.

Let's do this post-guest segment. Should I run this through? You got this? Yeah. After bashing New York and fully going Homer on this episode, we're going to end this with a sweet note. Ish. Ish.

Ish. Ish. With that being said, we're going to put together a top five list of least hated NY athletes. We've been bashing all episode. Top five of athletes that played in New York that we got love for.

That we don't have full hate for. Just a nice top five in no particular order. I think Jeter's got to be on there. Mario Rivera. He's just lovable. Who else? I agree. I think we got to put Jalen Brunson in there.

Brunson. I think we got to put Brunson in there. Shout out Sam Morrell. Shout out Sam Morrell. We love him. He's been loving him for years. Oh, man. He's an early early jalen uh

what about i mean does babe ruth count babe counts i'm counting babe yogi bearer babe eli babe what about eli manning can't do it i don't know man i just had a fox retreat and i you know i always say that eli's my favorite manning i fucking fully take that that's back i'm out with cooper manning and he's the coolest Manning by far. Shout out Coop Manning. You know, I used to be an Eli guy. I guess I just didn't hang out with Coop enough.

Coop is a fucking man. We golf together. So yeah, no Eli Manning. Sorry Eli. Strahan? Strahan's up there. The Fox guy. Strahan's up there. The Fox guy. Strahan is a fucking lovable new... Strahan got to be... It's hard to hate Strahan.

Dude, he's on Good Morning America. We still got Broadway Joe left, though. Broadway Joe? We only got one slot left. I think we got to revisit some of these, just because they're the first four. Babe Ruth's got to go. Babe Ruth's got to go?

Because we don't know. We don't know. Yeah, but he could crush glizzies like no one else. Yeah, he did. They said he could put down like nine hot dogs in like 30 seconds, dude. Nah. I do like that. I do like that.

I made that number up a lot. What about Rangers? What about Lundquist? Lundquist? Henrik Lundquist? Does Wayne Gretzky count? Wait a minute. Does Lundquist go?

Does Brunson get taken off because he's still too young he's only done it for one year he's done for a couple i mean blumquist i mean no one everyone liked that guy i and he he's just so damn good looking and he always fucking dressed cool he's a great fucking goalie he's a great goalie oh my do we put lump as a as a penguins fan my favorite thing ever was when they chased him and he freaked out and smashed the net. Oh, I love that. I think we got to go. Mad respect for him.

Are we putting Lundqvist in? Yeah. Keep the list going right there. I think we're getting close. Because you can throw. So does Wayne Gretzky count? No. Right?

Nah, it wasn't that one. Because I wouldn't really. He's a Ranger, yeah, but he's not a Ranger. He's not known as a Ranger. I agree. I don't associate immediately. I agree. What do we think about like a.

Do we go about like a, do we go with like a Derek Mason or a Patrick Ewing or a John Starks? Strahan. Strahan. I think Strahan's up there, dude. He's really, he's very likable. Like. Or at least hated.

Yeah. He's very least hateable. Dude, Strahan's up there. Put him in. Are we getting enough other sport like, be nice to get some representation from the other teams. Like what? We got a hockey. We got a Yankee. We got a hockey, yeah.

We got a giant. Any Mets? Mike Piazza. I don't hate him at all. He did hit the homer on 9-11. He did. Or the day after 9-11 against New York. But Mike Piazza, is he on the top?

No one really thinks of the Mets as a New York team. It's got to be from the big, big dogs. We're going to catch some heat for that. No second fiddle, guys. I'm just saying. It's like the Jets. Do we even really think about them? Nah.

It was Broadway Joe. It was Broadway Joe. Broadway Joe. Do we hate Curtis Martin? No. What about Wayne Corbett? Wayne Corbett? Wayne Corbett was loved.

And the slot father. The slot father. Slot father. Vinny Testaverde? He didn't play long enough. Yeah. One year. He belongs to the league.

He's kind of like his merch hat is kind of like Rob Lowe's NFL hat. It's just all of the NFL. Just a fan of the league. Just want to see a good game. I asked him about it. Remember I did his podcast. I asked him about it. I heard he got that custom made.

No, I think he just saw a hat and he took it. I think he needed a hat. Picked up an NFL red hat. Fucking official hat I feel like we're Hold on We gotta whittle down here There's someone I gotta throw in here too

Yogi Berra Yogi? Yogi How do you hate Yogi Berra? Tough dude When you come to a fork in the road Take it You know what you do?

You take it Nobody goes there anymore It's too crowded He's giving us some great Yogi-isms I mean he got a cartoon after him Was that Yeah I'm pretty sure Yogi Berra too crowded he's giving us some great yogi isms i mean he got a cartoon after him was that yeah i'm pretty sure yogi bear the the tv cartoon would be a hell of a coincidence if it wasn't is it not or is it is is it let me do fact check it uh i mean i don't know yankee history like that

yeah it was the hannah barbara character yog Bear, debuted in 1958 and was named after Barra. See, look at him. I mean, this fucking... All right, we got to keep him in the top five. So Mike Piazza is the most lovable? Hold on. No, no, no. This isn't in order. I think Jeter...

Jeter might be one. It's hard to hate Jeter. Yeah, I don't... I mean, we watched that Red Sox fight thing when we were doing the research for this episode. Yeah. And the way he handles the media afterwards, like, he's just... He's a pro.

Captain. I think you ask any Sox fan, no one really... They don't really hate Jeter. Yeah, retube pecked. What's that? It's like respect thing. Remember when he retired?

Oh, the word mark oh yeah and the little kid doing this the little kid yeah that's the cutest thing ever now yeah it was a plant all right jeter strahan lundquist rivera broadway joe broadway joe or Rivera. Broadway Joe. Broadway Joe or Wayne Corbett. Wayne Corbett. Broadway Joe is bigger than Wayne Corbett. And I also think. The first Super Bowl for the AFC, bro. Guarantee.

It's the Colts. Super Bowl III? Yeah, AFL. I think we might have to pull out Mariano Rivera. Okay. And I think you put Yogi Berra. Yankee for a Yankee. I can see why people would hate Mariano Rivera. Okay. And I think you put Yogi Berra. Yankee for a Yankee. I can see why people would hate Mariano Rivera.

That cutter. Yeah. I like him when he blew all those saves in Fenway, baby. I think that's looking pretty good. That's looking pretty fucking good. That's a good fucking list. That's a great list. I think Henrik Lundqvist might be too high.

Who? Henrik Lundqvist. Yeah, I think he needs to go to five. I think he goes to five. And I think you go you move the other two up i like this yeah so number one derrick cheater number two michael strahan number three yogi barra number four joe namath do we take lundquist oh we got to get a hockey guy so you could do mark messier but he doesn't really own Rangers, and he's not really liked.

You could go Jarmer Yager was a Ranger. Yager. Pavel Bure. I feel like my hate is. We'll go Lundquist. Lundquist is a good one. My hate is rather low right now, so I think this list is all right. I don't hate this list. I don't either.

I hate this list the least. Honestly, I usually hate all of our lists. Don't hate this list. This is your least hated list. All right. Well, there you go. How come hate brings us together? it's the least hated team if you got hate in your heart let it out number five henrik lundquist number four broadway joe nameth number three yogi barrow Number three, Yogi Berra. Abu, Abu, Abu.

What is that? Is that his little friend? Abu, Abu. Another picnic basket. A picnic basket. Number two, Good Morning America and Fox's Michael Strahan. Everyone loves him. Everyone loves him.

And number one, another Fox guy. This is kind of skewed. Derek Jeter. Fox guy. This is kind of skewed. Derek Jeter. That is our top five least hated New York athletes because we were tough on them today with this

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Pre-order Cabinet of Curiosities, available November 12th, wherever books and audiobooks are sold. Learn more over at grimandmild.com slash curiosities. How do you feel about biscuits? Hi, I'm Akilah Hughes, and I'm so excited about my new podcast, Rebel Spirit, where I head back to my hometown in Kentucky and try to convince my high school to change their racist mascot, the Rebels, into something everyone in the South loves, the Biscuits. I was a lady rebel. Like, what does that even mean? It's right here in black and white and prints.

It's bigger than a flag or mascot. Listen to Rebel Spirit on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.