Gilbert Gottfried's Amazing Colossal Podcast - 74. Victoria Price

Episode Date: October 26, 2015

Gilbert and Frank usher in Halloween by placing a call to the daughter of horror icon Vincent Price, author and public speaker Victoria Price, who talks about her father's run-ins with the Hollywood blacklist, his distaste for slasher films, his lifelong friendships with Christopher Lee and Peter Lorre and his rumored bisexuality. Also, Victoria lauds horror movie fans, deconstructs "The Abominable Dr. Phibes", and visits the set of "Theater of Blood"! PLUS: The wonder of Emergo! Vincent Price meets Jack Benny! Martin Scorsese praises "House of Wax"! And the return of "The Tingler"! MeUndies is offering you TWENTY PERCENT off your first order at http://meundies.com/gilbert. That’s a special offer just for GGACP listeners. Make sure you go to http://meundies.com/gilbert to get twenty percent off your first order of underwear in tons of styles and colors. Our sponsor today is one of the premiere independent labels in the world, DFA Records, based out of downtown New York City and co-founded by James Murphy of LCD Soundsystem. DFA Records is proud and excited to release the second album from Greek singer songwriter production guru and all around genius savant, Larry Gus. His new album is entitled “I Need New Eyes." Visit the DFA online store @ http://store.dfarecords.com for more details and to order your copy today. and for 20% off your online order, use coupon code “GILBERT” on the DFA store. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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from Dr. Fives to the Invisible Man Returns to my favorite, the Tingler. So, enjoy part one of our super spooky Halloween special. Get ready now to listen to Victoria Price. Afterwards, you'll wish you were dead.

Hi, this is Gilbert Gottfried, and this is Gilbert Gottfried's Amazing Colossal Podcast. I'm here with my co-host, Frank Santopadre. Our guest is a designer, author, art consultant, and public speaker whose work has appeared on HGTV and in many design publications. She is also the only daughter of a man we talk about frequently on this show, the legendary Vincent Price. Her acclaimed biography about her famous father, Vincent Price, a daughter's biography, was published in 1997, and she's agreed to take some time out of her busy schedule and personal appearance schedule to join us for our special Halloween episode. Please welcome to the show the talented Victoria Price.

Wow, I sound so amazing. You should walk around and introduce me wherever I go. We can arrange that. We can have them follow you, Victoria. Go in front of me would be great. Okay, better. And I should tell you a few feet

to my left right when you walk into my apartment, are four life masks. There's Lon Chaney Jr., Bela Lugosi, Al Pacino, and Vincent Price. Wow. In your house. Yes. I am impressed. How many people have a life mask of your dad in their foyer, Victoria?

You know, not even I have a life mask of my dad in my foyer. So, you know, that is rare praise. Wow. I could probably make a copy for you. We'll certainly take a picture and send it to you. And I remember I met your father twice. And one time I was one of the regulars on the rather dismal Thick of the Night. That was Alan Thicke's show.

And while I was on there doing one bit, I started to fall into, you know, going, oh, it's the curling hand. And so, you know, I was doing like a whole Peter Lorre thing. And then I sit down and I feel, and Alan Thicke is doing the good nights and he's going good night to everybody's

bit of the shoe. And I feel, and Mama don't leave the lady on the road tonight. Closing theme song. And I feel a large hand on my shoulder and I turn around and I'm staring face to face with Vincent Price.

Wow. And and and Vincent Price says to me with a smile on his face, I loved your Peter Laurie. That's great. And I thought that's the greatest compliment you could get. Exactly. Wow. And he gave, you know, he gave the eulogy at Peter Lorre's funeral. Really? Yeah. I know he was good friends with Lorre and Karloff.

Mm-hmm. Oh, very, very close with Boris. They were dear friends and really, you know, pals. They really respected and loved one another. And he oh, I should say, and then I'll let you talk. I'm just so thrilled about the times I met your father. The second time I met him was at a horror convention that was being broadcast. And I went up to him and I said, oh, you probably don't remember this,

but we were both on the Alan Thicke show. And he looked up at me, grimaced and went, oh, yes, that was a terrible show. Perfect. Now, love that. Now, this is interesting. And both Frank and I commented that we had Boris Karloff's daughter, Sarah, on the show and she hated horror movies. Yeah, didn't watch them.

No, I know. Neither of us really loved them. I've grown to be able to enjoy them, but for me, and I think it was the same for Sarah, neither of us really wanted to watch our dads do horrible things or, worse yet, have horrible things done to them. Interesting. Yeah, I saw you interviewed, Victoria. You said Laura was your favorite of your dad's films. Laura is my favorite.

I love it. But the other day I watched Theater of Blood. It was hilarious. Well, that was so campy. It was great. And so it was with a whole dinner. And so they stopped it during, you know, between the courses to tell what we were eating. And people just were yelling at the screen and laughing and having the best time.

And I have to say it wasn't scary at all, although I did have to close my eyes during the poodle pie part. Right, right, right. And when you mentioned Laura, I remember one of my favorite Vincent Price lines is in that. Someone asked him, like, do you know a lot about music? And he goes, I don't know a lot about anything, but I know a little about practically everything. Yes, I know that line. Great line. Great line.

Great line. And how did your father, I mean, he was very versatile as far as he could do classics, he could do comedies. How did he feel about doing horror? I think he was really grateful for it when it came around. First of all, House of Wax, which was his first real horror film, came right after he had been taken off of one of McCarthy's lists. So he had not worked during the McCarthy era. He was graylisted, and he hadn't worked in over a year, which was really hell for him. So right after that, he basically then got offered two parts, and one of them was House of Wax.

And that started the whole career. And if you think about it, that was during the 50s. And the actors who were working during the 50s were people like Brando and Dean, of course, and they weren't classically trained actors with beautiful voices and great elocution. And so for my dad to have this new career and to reinvent himself completely in the 50s and 60s, he was completely grateful, I think. And how did he get off the list?

He, what he said to me was that he knew some nice Republican ladies from his art life, and he called in a favor. But what calling in a favor meant was that he was interviewed by the FBI, and he had to sign a very long document. And I found the document. It was one of the last things I found when I was cleaning out his house. It was in a manila envelope hidden behind his air conditioner. And in it, he said a lot of things that I think he was not proud of. And yet he kept the document because it was one of the scariest things he'd ever done. And so he felt that he had to keep it because it was proof that he had cleared his name.

And yet he wrote things like anyone who pleads the fifth is un-American, which was not something he believed. And yet he did it. So he was kind of strong-armed into doing that. Oh, absolutely. It was better. He saw what had happened to his friends and it was did he have to did he have to name names no he did not name names oh yeah how did he get gray listed in the first place victoria i know it's a it's a sensitive subject but you talk about it so openly in your book i think pretty much everybody who was to the left of center was accused of being a communist. For my dad, it was a list called the pre-war anti-Nazi sympathizers.

So if you were against Hitler before we declared war on Hitler, then you must have been a communist. And my dad was very active in raising money for a lot of Spanish Civil War causes and other causes. And there were a lot of people on that list. Eleanor Roosevelt was on that list. Good company. Yeah, very good company. But he worked with Lillian Hellman and Dorothy Parker to do a lot of fundraisers for the Spanish Civil War relief. And I think that that's what got him on the list and tucked him out of work. And I think Charlie Chaplin was accused of the same thing, which sounds so ridiculous that you must be an enemy because you don't like Hitler and the Nazis. Right. Yeah. Which nowadays seems like just beyond insanity.

Oh, yeah. But, you know, it's not impossible to imagine something like that happening again. Oh, yeah. You talk about playing villains, Victoria, in The Turning Point, House of Wax. But even before then, he played some heavies in Dragonwick. Gilbert and I were talking about The Invisible Man Returns. He was a character actor, but he dabbled in playing bad guys. He wanted to be a character actor.

He admired Spencer Tracy. He admired Edward G. Robinson. He admired, you know, so many of the character actors, Jimmy Cagney. But Hollywood wanted him to be a leading man. They saw him as a matinee idol. In the early photos of him, some of the Harrell shots that were taken and other shots, he was really sort of groomed to be a leading man. And he was as handsome as any of the leading men. He just wasn't comfortable with that.

Interesting. And so he wanted to play villains. And you're absolutely right. He did play villains. He played many of got into it by, in a way, insisting that he be cast in more character roles. And didn't they offer him a million-dollar contract at one point, and he turned it down? Mm-hmm, yep. They offered him, at the beginning of his career, right during the Depression, a dollar movie contract and he was the one who had the courage and the humility to talk to his co-star helen hayes who was of course the first lady of the american theater and incredibly famous and he

asked her advice and she was the one who suggested to him that he turn it down because she felt that he hadn't learned enough he he didn't know enough to be able to uh really have a long career if he didn't really learn his craft and so that's what he did what was angel street the the the uh the show where he was supposedly so convincing in the murderer role that audiences hissed at him? Oh, yeah. And he loved that. Loved that he hissed at him. Now, in the movie The Fly, which is one of my favorites, he's sitting with another actor at the end,

and I forget that actor's name. Herbert Marshall. Herbert Marshall. Herbert Marshall. Yes, you have one leg. There's a scene at the end. Vincent Price and Herbert Marshall are there on a park bench, and they killed the large half man half fly but they never found the other one

that was mainly a fly and at the end of the movie there's a there's a spider web and caught in the spider web is a half man, half fly going, help me, help me. It's iconic. And Herbert Marshall. Herbert Marshall, yeah. Yeah. Vincent Price said in an interview that he and Herbert Marshall could not keep a straight face. Oh, no. They were in hysterics. And if you

look at it, if you look at the clip, you can see they're barely, barely holding it together. And yet, as a kid and, well, as a kid and well into my 20s and 30s, that is a terrifying scene. It's scary. But I remember

him saying in an interview that they ruined so many takes because they were just like doubled over. Oh, yes. Completely doubled over. Exactly. You know, you mentioned, too, Gilbert, you were talking about how he was good in comedies. And I found it interesting in my research uh victoria that he he loved uh champagne for caesar which is a movie we've talked about yes i love champagne he's been given more

comedies and if you think about it even um the let's see uh his kind of woman another one right hilarious i mean so over the top and i loved doing. I remember an episode of the Jack Benny show where Jack Benny and Vincent Price are both in competition to be the romantic lead in an Irene Dunn movie.

Oh, yes. Talking about, oh, God, that was hilarious. And the whole better, best thing. Oh, yes. That was brilliant. Love that. Yeah, because he said, may the best man win.

And he goes, it's may the better man win. Yes. I like it. And he goes, I know that. I went to Waukegan High School and majored in English. Did you know Jack Benny at all? I never met him, no, but a little interesting piece of history prior to Jack Benny, probably the most famous resident of Waukegan, was Vincent Price, my great-grandfather who invented baking powder. He had a huge mansion in Waukegan, and it's still sort of part of the

lore of Waukegan. So there was a lovely little tie-in between Jack Benny and my dad, but I never got to meet him, which I had. Interesting. And we were talking before, a little trivia note, that your great-grandfather invented baking powder, or maybe one of the first commercially sold baking powders. He invented baking powder. Oh, he invented it straight up. That's fun trivia. I know. We're full of fun trivia here in the Pride Center.

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It was shocking to me. It was in your book. And I think when him, your father growing up was actually anti-Semitic and pro-Nazi? Yes, because he came from St. Louis, very German. And really what I looked up and found, because I was shocked by it, was that that was really the norm among sort of upper middle class, well-educated Americans. And let's face it, Roosevelt himself turned away boatloads of Jewish refugees. It's absolutely right. So, you know, I wanted to really understand it because it was so not my father. And in fact, by the time he was in his 40s, he was awarded something sort of a big

tribute by the Jewish Anti-Defamation League. So he was very, very much the opposite of anti-Semitic and very pro-everything. I mean, any group he could support, he supported. So he was the least racist, least biased person I'd ever met. So the reason I wrote about in the book is to prove that anybody can overcome the prejudices of their upbringing given half a chance. Yeah, because he went from being pro-Nazi and anti-Semitic to raising money for Jewish courses. Exactly. And had countless Jewish friends and African-American friends. He was absolutely not at all anti-Semitic or racist or anything.

But as a young man, of course, he was exposed to what he was exposed to. And that was what he learned. It was probably what was happening growing up in the Midwest and a conservative town at that time. Sure. It was all around. And he wound up being friends with Peter Laurie, who was Laszlo Lowenstein. Right. Well, you know, he had, I mean, most of his, many of his best friends were Jewish.

Most of his best friends were Jewish. And Edward G. Robinson. Oh, yes. Fanny Bryce was one of his dearest friends. And her son, Billy Bryce, William Bryce, the painter, was really, I think, his best male friends of 40 years. So not anti-Semitic at all. And that's really why I, that's really why I wrote about it, because it was

important for me to show that somebody could be brought up one way and recognize that they had been culturally taught one thing and could easily change. And do you remember from meeting Peter Lorre? easily change. And do you remember from meeting Peter Lorre? No, never met Peter Lorre because I think he died in 66, so I was little. But you visited some of your dad's film sets, didn't you, Victoria? I did, I did. And certainly the ones as I got older, like Theater of Blood and those, those I visited. Oh, did you get to, Did you visit any of the Fives film sets? I did. And of course, my dad was great friends with Joe Cotton from the Mercury Theater days. One of the things I

remember really well was going to dinner at Joe Cotton's house. And what a lovely man he was in London. Tell us about the Mercury Theater, all the people who are on that, in that. Yeah, amazing, amazing group of people. So one of the cool connections is that my grandfather's, my dad's dad, also named Vincent Price,

went to high school in Wisconsin. And one of his closest friends in high school was a kid named Richard Wells, who was Orson Welles' dad. And so Orson, of course, started the Mercury Theater. And my dad was a part of it, along with Joseph Cotton and Norman Lloyd, who is still with us. Oh, yeah. We're trying to get him for the show. And they were all lifelong friends.

I think Everett Sloan was one of the actors in there. Yeah, Everett Sloan from Citizen Kane. Sure. And most of the people that Wills would use in his movies were people that he got from when he knew during the Mercury Theater days. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And John Hausman, too, too i think was involved with that with the mercury theater was he not oh yeah john hausman absolutely and and one really quick and

probably the easiest uh five minutes of work your father ever did was but still makes me laugh, is the very ending of Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein. Yeah. Yeah, a cigarette appears out of nowhere. After they think they've killed off all the monsters, the Wolfman, Frankenstein, and Dracula. They're in a rowboat, right? And a cigarette lights up in midair and goes, Oh, I was hoping to join in. I'm the Invisible Man.

I know. Hilarious, right? He was a good Invisible Man in The Invisible Man Returns. He was an awesome, with that voice, why not, right? Yeah, I mean, you think about House of Wax being a turning point for him playing Heavies, but as I said before, he's in Tower of London, he's in The Invisible Man Returns, he's got that little part in Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein.

So even though you're seeing these character roles, every couple of films he's also playing a villain. Dragonwick, of course, which I love. Which was one of his favorites. Yeah, he's wonderful in that. Yeah. And then, of course, by, I guess, as you were saying before, by 53, by the time House of Wax comes out,

the conversion is complete, because he's so damn good in that film. Oh, he's amazing. But I think one of the reasons he's so good in that film is that if you think about the storyline from the point of view of somebody just having come out of not working and being graylisted, it's the story of a man whose entire life's work is destroyed. And he exacts his revenge.

So I think it was something that my dad could sink his chops into. Well, interesting timing. He's just, no matter how many times I see that film, he's so unsettling. With a young Charles Bronson. Oh, yes. Charles Buchinski. Yes. And, oh, and at the end of it, I think it's the end.

He holds up a wax Charles Bronson head and points it, points his arm out to the camera. Right. To make it look like Charles Bronson's severed head is jumping out at you. I know. Martin Scorsese still calls it the best American film in 3D. You know, my dad really felt that the reason it was so good for a 3D film, because a lot of the 3D films of that period were schlocky,

was because the director only had one eye. Yeah, we were talking about Andre de Chaux. Yeah, Andre de Chaux. He couldn't see in 3D. How did he know any of it was working? I think people just said, you know, throw something in. So he did. If you think about it it it's not really

it's not really focused on that whereas a lot of the other 3D movies were gimmicky yeah like Buona Devil and oh yes that was the first one knockoff Buona Devil that were coming out he's just terrifying in that film. And I've recommended, and I love this film, and it's undeniably silly, but works and is so much fun and that's the

Tingler. Oh yeah, that's a great one. It's so much fun. Because what I remember is that was, well, he was friends with William Castle. Yeah. And William Castle was one of these real showmen. Yeah, he's come up on the show.

Yeah, he'd have a gimmick for each picture to get the suckers in. And for the Tingler, certain seats were wired with a buzzer. Percepto. Yes. That's right. That's what it was called. Percepto. Exactly.

And so in the movie, the Tingler gets loose in a movie theater, giving Vincent Price the excuse to scream. Both of the people in the movie and the people watching the movie. Scream. Scream for your lives. The tinglers loose in the theater. Scream. Scream.

How do you like Gilbert's impression, Victoria? It's awesome. It's impressive. I practically feel like I'm on the phone with my father. And when they're all screaming and Vincent Price is yelling for them to scream more, then finally they catch the tingler and Vincent Price very calmly goes, the movie will be starting again soon. We will be starting again soon.

Totally forgetting that a monster centipede was attacking people. I know. I think that's part of his talent, Victoria, that he could take nonsense like that and make it dramatic and believable. He could sell it. Well, yeah, Shafi, most people would have phoned it in or thought it was utterly ridiculous. But he just jumped in. But that was really how he approached life. He just jumped in. And he always seemed like if it was something silly like that, you always sensed there was like a gleam in his eye that he knew it was silly.

Oh, totally. I mean, he was he was winking at the whole thing. I was recently to a little episode on Thursdays. Victoria is part of this show where Gilbert and I recommend films we love. And we were talking about the abominable Dr. Fibes, and I read, I guess you could corroborate this, that he laughed so much going through the makeup process that they had to keep reapplying the makeup. I love that. Well, you have to keep yourself amused somehow.

I mean, that makeup must have been an ordeal. Sometimes he'd spend three hours in makeup. Yeah. And speaking of William Castle, before the Tingler, of course, and we brought up Percepto, there was a Merjo. There was the house on Haunted Hill. With the skeleton that flies across the movie theater.

It's wonderful. Like a paper or balloon skeleton. You do a lot of these, Victoria. You do a lot of speaking engagements. Have you seen The Tingler or House on Haunted Hill with an audience, with the gimmicks? I just saw House on Haunted Hill with 250 people in St. Louis at my dad's childhood movie theater, The High Point. Oh, I love that. I saw that in my research, that his childhood theater is still standing.

Yeah, and they've redone it. It looked beautiful. So that was really, really fun. Did they rig it? Did they pull the skeleton into the audience? Amergo was there, but they didn't have him. Really, literally, the original Amergo was there, but he was sitting on a rolling chair. Years ago.

He was not rigged up. Oh, he wasn't? But I've seen it with it rigged up before. Oh, you have? It's a treat. Oh, it's hilarious. Yeah. I saw it years ago at the Film Forum downtown.

In New York, where we're coming to you from, they would pull the skeleton on the clothesline into the audience during House on Haunted Hill. And jumping totally out of order from subject to subject. Who, us? Yeah. I think I read that one of the Jewish charity groups

named Vincent Price, like their honorary Jewish member. Yeah, the Jewish Anti-Defamation League gave him an award. That is amazing to go from being pro-Nazi, anti-Semitic to getting an award. Yeah, that's running the gamut. Totally. Let's talk about the Poe films, Victoria.

Oh, yes. I mean, the Castle films is an interesting period of his career. And so was the Poe and AIP and Roger Corman. I think that was a great collaboration for my dad. He loved working with Roger. Roger put together amazing cast. And he got it done really well. We all know what Roger did for a lot of young directors and young actors.

And I think he and my dad, it was one of those great partnerships for them both. Yeah, we had Roger Corman on the podcast and he was hysterical. Funny man. Yeah. He's totally open about the fact that he'll do anything to save a penny. And yet those films, the Comedy of Terrors and The Raven, which were made really for a song, are so entertaining. They are. You put those actors together.

You've got, you know, you've got Karloff and you've got Laurie and Nicholson and your dad. And it's just they're just great to watch, even though they cost $1.80 to make. And I heard your father and Peter Laurie and Karloff, like Peter Laurie just didn't want to memorize the scripts anymore. No, he couldn't be bothered. And he came out of that whole, you know, German expression of improv school. So he kind of just made it up and he went along.

And I heard your father was fine with it, but Boris Karloff was getting annoyed that the dialogue was being changed. Yes. Yeah, the rumor is that your dad found himself in the position of go-between between Karloff, who had a certain kind of acting style, and Laurie, who had improvisational acting style. Is that true? Oh, yeah.

He completely mediated between both of them. And your dad was an Anglophile, right? I mean, so he liked this stuff to begin with. Oh, yeah. And he loved being associated with Po he liked this stuff to begin with. Oh, yeah. And he loved being associated with Poe. Who wouldn't? Right. What a gift to be associated with one of the truly great original American literary voices and kind of forever associated with him. He's genuinely scary. We've talked about the Mask of the Red Death and the Pit and the Pendulum. I mean, again,

they were made on the cheap but they're very scary he's very scary in them i think in the pendulum in particular yeah well the one where he's really horrifying is the witch finder general which i don't know if you've even brought yourself to watch by this point you said you can't watch it once okay yes i think it's his most malevolent performance and that was totally due to michaelves, and it was just a miserable experience for my dad. But I think he ultimately was, I wouldn't maybe go so far as to say grateful, but he certainly understood what Reeves was trying to get out of him. Michael Reeves was a young director who died young.

Yeah, he committed suicide. Yeah, and they clashed. They famously clashed. I mean, there's a story, I don't know if it's apocryphal, where your father is on the set screaming, you know, I've made 87 films, what have you done? I don't think he was very happy. And yet again, a great performance in a movie that just is very unsettling. Brutal.

Brutal, that movie. They changed the name, I think, to The Conqueror Worm. Oh, yes, yes. So they could tie it in with the whole Poe thing, yeah. Right. Which didn't fool anyone. He's never been as dark on screen as he was in that movie. Oh, that was easily his most malevolent performance, for sure.

Did it bother him? Did the role stay with him? I mean, aside from the problems he had with the director. In my research, I was reading something about how he didn't like when the AIP films got a little more gory. It wasn't so much the AIP. I mean, I think the AIP films, yes, but it was really the slasher films in general. And he really felt, and I think he's right, that what we can imagine is way more terrifying always, always than what we see. It's one of the reasons why we're so terrified of hearing about plane crashes, because what we can imagine happening in a plane, you know, that's why everyone wants a camera instead of leaving it up to their vivid imagination. That's why the news jumps all over that. They don't jump all over other things that we can see, like train crashes in the same way. And I think it really proves. And you said the same thing about sex scenes.

You know, when the code was still there, you had to imagine what happened after the kiss. And that was way sexier than watching it happen. I myself like to see gratuitous sex scenes. That shocks me. So this is where your father and I disagree. But I mean, it's it's very it's been talked about a lot in the movie Jaws. The shark wasn't working properly and it looked bad on camera. So Spielberg was forced to hide the shark and it became really the fear of the water.

Yes, exactly. And it worked for people. I have a friend, I went with her to the Keys and we swam in a lake on the Keys that was easily a mile from the ocean and she wouldn't get in the water. It was like, you know, a Saturday Night Live episode, Land Shark.

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I mean, what an incredible thing for him to get to do, to be associated with that. I think it was a real gift for him. But his last film, that was Edward Scissorhands. His last feature, yeah. His last feature. Yeah, that he acted in. Now, I mean, obviously, the casting is perfect. Vincent Price as a mad doctor is like, you know, that's a shoo-in.

That's a no-brainer. But I heard because your father at that point, he was older, and he was like, you know, the ailments that come with aging, and that the studio wanted to get rid of him. Hmm. I didn't hear that. I didn't hear that the studio wanted to get rid of him. I just heard that. But that could be.

Well, I know they cut his part down significantly because of his health. Yeah. It was difficult for him. He had Parkinson's and he was, you know, emphysema. He was struggling. And yet it's a kind of a nice swan song, that film. Oh, it's an incredible swan song. I think Tim gave him an incredible gift,

introducing him to a new generation, writing a part for him that captured so many sides of my dad, all of his sweetness, his whimsy, his love of poetry. You know, I think it's a wonderful, wonderful part. And Vincent, too, for those of our listeners that haven't seen it, the Burton short from a few years earlier. Oh, yes. Which he narrates. It's also wonderful.

We talked about Theater of Blood, and I have to hear your experiences or your memories from being on the set of Theater of Blood. Was it the first Fibes film? Was it Dr. Fibes Rises Again? You know, mostly I remember Theater of Blood because we had a driver, and he drove us out to the set. blood because we had a driver and he drove us out to the set and we got out of the car and all of a sudden all of these just freakily scary people came up to me and they had no teeth and open sores and they started pawing me and asking for money what the hell is going on and then my dad swept out of this old warehouse and said that that's my daughter. Leave her alone, you horrible people. And that was all. I heard of it.

It wasn't until I saw the movie years later that I realized that they were the cast, and he put them up to this. He was hilarious. The two Fives movies are so bizarre. I mean, they're black comedies. So is Theater of Blood. Oh, yes. Really. I mean, we're black comedies. So is Theater of Blood. Oh, yes.

Really. I mean, we talked about his gift for comedy. I mean, I haven't seen Dr. Fibes Rises again in a few years, but I watched the original a couple of weeks ago because I recommended it on one of the episodes that Gilbert and I do. One of the strangest films ever made. Oh, my God. And I've now seen it. I'm doing a tour with Alamo Draftthouse where we're doing Dinner and a Movie, and Dr. Fides is what they're showing.

And so I've seen it quite a few times now. And who are the, who is Malnavia? Who the hell is she? Is she dead? Is she alive? Y'all are the weird assistants. I've now seen it, and I'm just stumped. I have not a clue.

But why is he playing the organ? Well, that I thought he was an organist. Oh, he was an organist. Yeah, he was an organist, so that's good. But who the hell is she? It's very strange. And that animatronic band? Oh, yeah.

Truly, truly bizarre. And is that the one that has the mechanical shark? It's a mechanical snake. That I think I think that might be the second one. Yeah, I'm trying to think of all the deaths. Well, again, we've talked about it on the show already. But for our listeners that haven't seen it, he's he's killing one by one. He's killing the medical team that he holds responsible for his wife's death, right?

But he's not just bumping them off. He's bumping them off according to the 10 plagues of Egypt. Oh, yeah. So you've got all these great, remember Terry Thomas, they drain all his blood? Oh, yes. It's a mason jar. And one guy's talking on the phone and an arrow shoots out of the phone. Yeah, that's a great one.

That's a great, with out of the phone. Yeah, that's a great one. That's a great one. The catapult. Yeah. Yeah, a unicorn. The unicorn, excuse me. It's the unicorn, the catapult. Right? Of course.

And one of them is frozen in his car with an ice machine. I love that one. And then the guy is flying the plane and is eaten by rats. That's incredibly good. It's almost, there are parts of it that are like a silent film. It really, it's vaudevillian, too. I mean, it takes its time. The set

pieces are hilarious. I mean, it's disturbing, and it gets scary in the end with the Joseph Cotton stuff when he kidnaps the boy. Right. But up until then... The Brussels sprouts. Yeah. That's an awesome part.

That's great, too. Is the snake that you're talking about from the second film? Yeah, I think there's like a cobra or something. There's an Egyptian theme in the second film. That he finds out... He smashes one, because it turns out to be a mechanical one, and then the second one he's not scared of, and that's an actual cobra. Right.

And it's odd, too. You were talking about the assistant. You know, he's so in love with his wife. So who is this woman? Who is this? Exactly. Who the hell is she? She's very otherworldly.

But it is such a funny film. I mean, it's a disturbing film, but so original. And now I have to play tabloid reporter, as always. In your book, you said that there were rumors of your father's, like, bisexuality. Mm-hmm. So what was going on, and what did you find out there? At the time, I really didn't was probably bisexual, but really most importantly, he loved people. And so his friendships were probably vastly more important to him than

his sexual relationships. And he had very close friendships with men that he, he told me he felt that his, his wives never understood his need to have close friendships with men. And, and they were, I think a very important part of his life. And aside from Peter Lorre and Boris Karloff, wasn't he also friends with two other horror greats, Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing? Oh, yeah. He and Chris were great friends, shared the exact same birthday, May 27th.

Oh, yes. And Peter's birthday was the day before, May 26th. So they would often celebrate together. And, yes, they were. He was very, very fortunate in his friendships. But I think he was also an incredible friend. And I don't know if Christopher Lee ever did this with your father. I know he would do it with Peter Cushing. He would call him up and imitate all like these Warner Brothers cartoon characters.

Oh, no. I've never heard that. That's hilarious. That's funny. There's a great clip of Christopher Lee on the, I guess it's the British version of This Is Your Life online, Victoria, that I'm sure you've seen where your dad shows up, probably flies halfway around the globe to get there and christopher lee looks genuinely happy and surprised to see him yeah no they were they were really dear friends and and i think

shared a lot in common both very erudite men very interested in in much more than just acting. It's interesting, too, about his sexuality. I mean, he married three times, but it's—I found it interesting that you were so frank about it in the book. I felt that I had to be because so many people asked me, and I didn't want to seem like I was shirking anything, but it was really Roddy McDowell who helped me with it because he said to me, we don't know what sexuality meant to your dad. And if we don't know that, then it's very hard to say what or who he was. And that's really why I got to the fact that to me, what was most important was his deep connections with people and his complete, complete lack of judgment. And that was really why I felt like I had to address it. Yeah, was kind of brave of you to do it.

I mean, a lot of obviously a lot of biographies that are written by children are, you know, whitewashes of their parents' lives? I think there was a time in his life where he wished he could possibly have been a different person toward the end of his life. And he alluded to that to me with a sense of regret. And I never knew what that meant, whether that was about his sexuality, whether that was about maybe sexuality, whether that was about maybe taking different kinds of roles. I wasn't ever really clear on that, but I felt that he wanted to be remembered for who he was. He wanted to be remembered for all of his complexity. And that, I think, was the bottom line for me, not wanting to avoid that.

And he was complex. I mean, he was a Renaissance man. Gilbert and I were setting up for the interview, and I was telling him about how, if I have this right, your dad made his first art purchase at the age of 11? Mm-hmm. He bought a first-stage Rembrandt etching, first-stage Rembrandt etching when he was 12. It took him three years of his allowance to pay it off. I love that.

How much did it cost? $37.50, but in the 1920s, that was not cheap. It was a fortune. Wow. Wow. Yeah. But he paid it off, and he was as well known as an art expert during his life. He bought 20,000 pieces of art for Sears that he sold. You could buy a Picasso on your Sears credit card.

Oh, wow. And that was very much because he was a populist, and he really felt that it was important that everybody have access to art, that people not regard art as the province of the elite. So that, I think, was very important to him. He also was famous during his lifetime for his cooking, and that's a big part of why I'm out on the road now, because he wrote a cookbook that Saver magazine named one of the hundred most important culinary events of the 20th century

and he um it was really again sort of this populist endeavor he went all over the world collecting recipes collecting experiences brought them home he my mom, my mom would bring home design elements. They would recreate these experiences for their friends. And this cookbook has become the eighth most popular out-of-print book of any kind, not just cookbooks. And it was so popular that a publisher approached us about doing a 50th anniversary edition. But he really was the original American foodie. Yeah, like I said, he was into everything.

He was into art. He was into music. He was into cooking. And it's funny how careers take shape because he was such a cultured person, and yet he became known for—not that they're mutually exclusive, but that he became known for horror films. Karloff, I think, is similar. Oh, yeah. He was a proper gentleman and a very cultured man. And they became famous for playing ghouls, you know, for lack of a better word.

I think part of it is because the horror fans get them. They really understand Karloff and my dad. They really understand Karloff and my dad. And the horror fans are very well-read, very cultured, people who are interested in a great many things. And so I think the horror fans very much embrace all of those aspects of my dad and of Boris as well. And so that's part of, you know, we've got the horror fans. My dad gets 3,000 Facebook likes a week. Amazing. I was looking at the page.

It's incredible. I was looking at the Facebook page. There's so much good stuff on there. That's where I saw the movie theater in St. Louis that's still operating. Yeah. Well, that's my little neighbor of love. And, you know, for me, the fact that they get him, they really get who he was. They have kept my dad alive.

There were so many people who were way, way more famous than Vincent Price during his lifetime. And he would have been the first person to tell you that. Like somebody like Robert Taylor. And Robert Taylor isn't remembered and loved. Like Robert Taylor's probably not getting 3,000 Facebook likes a week, I'm fairly sure. I'm sure not. One thing Frank and I, we had on our show Adam West, who is Batman, and two of the Catwomen, Julie Newmar and Lee Merriweather. And your father was one of the great recurring villains.

One of my favorites. Egghead. Yes. Exactly. Yeah, tell us some of the horrible puns he would say to taunt Batman with. he would say to taunt Batman with? Oh, he, you know, exactly, extraordinary.

Exquisite. He had a blast. That was a favorite. He had a blast doing it. He had so much fun. And, you know, he had a kid. So I was born a month shy of my dad's 51st birthday.

So he had this young kid and he wanted my friends to know who he was. So he wanted to do all these things, and he was a kid at heart. So he wanted to stay hip to the younger generation, and he sure did. So he went on the hottest show on television. Exactly. Exactly. Pardon me.

But, you know, he did that with a lot of different things, if you think about it. He did Mod Squad. He did Get Smart. Oh, yeah, Get Smart, sure. Brady Bunch. Yeah. And we've had people from all those shows. We had Barbara Felden from Get Smart.

That's right. And Ken Berry and Larry Storch from F Troop. Oh, yeah. He was great on F Troop. He was the count. Count Sforza. He comes into town with a black crow. Oh, yes.

Named brother. And didn't your father and Peter Lorre have a short-lived TV show where they were antiques dealers? Oh, my God. I don't know. Wow, you've stumped me. Yeah, I think they were running an antique store, and I guess each antique that they pick out would be like the center of the story. Oh, wow.

I have no idea. I don't remember this show. Okay, we've got a challenge for our listeners. Another thing is, I remember when you watch those movies with Jack Nicholson, it's like, it's so funny, because

if someone would have, if you would have said to anyone back then, this Jack Nicholson is going to be a major respected superstar, I think you would have laughed in their face. Oh, my dad and all of them would have laughed. Absolutely. They thought it was complete nepotism. The two producers of all the AFP films were Sam Markoff and Jim Nicholson, and they thought Jack Nicholson was like his nephew. They gave him no end of grief.

Oh, yeah. Was there a relationship between James Nicholson and Jack Nicholson? No, no. No, not at all. Just a coincidence. So your father, Peter Lorre, and Boris Karloff all thought Jack Nicholson was basically this no-talent kid. Exactly. I make this statement.

Hilarious. Total creep. Hilarious. Did you ever run into Nicholson to tell him that? I know Jennifer. She and I went to the same high school. Oh. His daughter.

That's pretty cool. I mean, you know, we talk about his sense of humor. I mean, all of those shows. He's so good in comedies. Dr. Pinn on Get Smart. He's the archaeologist who ties up the boys in the cave in the Brady Bunch. In the Brady Bunch? Oh, yeah.

Counts Foto, we talked about on F Troop, and of course Egghead. There's a clip, I don't know if you've seen it, Victoria, of him, of your dad on Family Feud in the 70s. Oh, yeah. I have seen it. With the cast of Batman. Hilar Feud in the 70s. Oh, yeah. I have seen it. With the cast of Batman. Which is a treat. Hilarious. And then he did all that cool stuff with the Muppets.

Oh, yeah. And in the first season of the Muppets, which was great. I even found a clip where, I guess, Kermit is guest hosting the Carson show. So there's Jim Henson kneeled down behind the desk. Of course, you don't see him. Your dad comes out as the first guest and he's

just so smooth about it and he just works at it perfectly. He's got the timing down. Find the clip online. It's just a pleasure to watch a pro.

Who knows how to work comedy? Get timing. And 900 episodes of Hollywood Squares he did. Wow. 900. I always say Hollywood Squares paid for my college education.

I love that. What do you think when you hear tributes like, I mean, John Waters did a wonderful tribute to your dad on TCM that I'm sure you've heard. That was fantastic. Really beautiful. And when you hear all the impressionists, you know, Gilbert, Bill Hader on Saturday Night Live. Bill Hader, yes. They're done with it.

They must be done with such affection. You must love hearing them. And I think John Candy. John Candy, too, back in the day. Oh, yeah. John Candy's just hilarious. He really, you know, how many Facebook likes did you say? 3,000 a week.

Incredible. We dream of those numbers. And it just keeps growing and growing and growing. Oh, he's so iconic. People love him. Well, what do you got, Gil? Let's see. Oh, I've got a good one here for you, Victoria, before we run off. This is from Mike McPadden, who's one of our social media directors.

He wants to know, as a kid, did you ever play with any of the Vincent Price toys, such as the shrunken head apple sculpture kid or the hangman game? Of course. Yeah. I mean, what self-respecting kid wouldn't? I love that. In fact, there's an episode of The Simpsons where they're

stuck in the house and it's raining so they take out like learning magic with Vincent Price. Oh, I completely love that shrunken head thing. I think my mother was so pissed off because, of course, you know, you drive it over a light bulb in your lampshade. Right, right.

Wasn't there an electronic trivia game, too, of some kind? Was there? Yeah, I will dig it out. Yeah, I don't know the name of it offhand. But what do you want to plug, Victoria? What's coming up? We know this is your busy season, Halloween. You mentioned the cookbook. The cookbook. Beard Foundation, and that's incredibly prestigious. We're doing a two-and-a-half-week tour of the UK, London, Manchester, Wales, and then Ireland, and all to celebrate the cookbook.

The Cookbook Heritage is opening its food halls half an hour early for us, so we can have a special tour of the food halls because they're featured in this cookbook. So the whole cookbook thing is really, really cool and exciting. Tell us the name of the book again. It's called The Treasury of Great Recipes. Okay. And it's just, it's such an iconic book. You know, it really, the reason it's so important to me is I feel like it captures my parents' philosophy of how they live their life. captures my parents' philosophy of how they lived their life.

And it really came down to me to three words, explore, savor, and celebrate. They didn't just sort of make a movie and do what they had to do and sort of do the minimum required thing. They went out and they saw everything. They learned about cultures. They learned about it through art. They learned about it through music. They learned about it through cultures. They learned about it through art. They learned about it through music. They learned about it through food. They learned about it through theater.

And then it wasn't just sort of this bucket list mentality. They would fall in love with things. And as I said, my dad would get the recipe from a chef. My mom would bring back design elements. They would work out ways to share them with their friends. And so this cookbook has been so influential. I mean, people do dinners where they – people have blogged a recipe a night, a recipe a week. Right now there's a contest going on for food bloggers in celebration of this.

And the best – two of the best things I've heard in, because this has been something I've been sharing with people. One is that people read this book out loud to each other, doing their best Vincent Price stories. I love that. Because he wrote it all. Or they read it to each other at bedtime reading because he tells little stories about each recipe in each restaurant. And it really was aspirational. It gave people pre-HGTV, pre-food networks. It gave people an idea of what was possible, a way of living.

And so I've written this new historic preface forward. And then Wolfgang Koch, who my dad championed very early on, wrote the new intro. Mad Champion, very early on wrote the new intro. And then the other story that I just love, I was doing an Alamo Drafthouse event in Austin, and a couple came up to me, and they had their vintage copy of the book that they asked me to sign. And they said, this book has meant so much to us. And they said, we're not really religious people. So 15 years ago when we got married, we didn't know really what to have the pastor hold or the reverend or whoever. So we thought, what book means a lot to us? And so they got married with the pastor holding the cookbook. And this is absolutely – they sent me a picture the other day.

It's this absolutely beautiful book that my mom designed. It's got a bronze leatherette cover. And so the new version, you know, I had to make sure it looked as good as the old version. But it's a really, it's an iconic, iconic book. I mean, pretty much anybody who's a foodie knows about this book. And it's really about my dad's omnivorous appetite, not just for food, but for life. That's what comes through. has omnivorous appetite, not just for food, but for life.

That's what comes through. So for me, it's exciting because it's really about showing off the best parts of who he was and what a life-affirming, interesting name he was. And this is getting back to one person we discussed earlier. He must have had a lot to talk about with Edward G. Robinson. Oh, they were great friends. They became friends in the late 30s. My dad would follow Eddie around the galleries in New York. And of course, Eddie had a lot more money than my dad. And so and he was a great collector of impressionist art. And so he learned a lot about who the good gallery owners were and that sort of thing. And then they became great friends.

And in fact, one New Year's Eve, they were having, my parents were having one of their legendary New Year's Eve parties, and there was a fire in Bel Air. And so the police shut down complete access to the whole area. access to the whole area. And Edward G. Robinson went up to the police and he said, you have to let me in because these are my friends and they have an art collection and I have to help them save it. And the entire UCLA football team heard about the fire and the art collection was required viewing for the UCLA Artistic Department at the time. And so they came out and helped. That's great. You know, a great story.

But, yeah, Eddie and my dad remained great friends their whole lives. I love that story. And then he would say, Real quick, Victoria, tell Gilbert the story from the end of your book, the one that Alan Bates tells. Yeah, that's such a great story. So apparently my dad and Coral, his third wife, Coral Brown, and Alan Bates were all at dinner, and a woman came over and asked my dad for an autograph. And so my dad signed something and Alan Bates happened to see what he had signed.

And when the woman left, Alan Bates said to my dad, Vincent, you're out of your mind. Why did you sign Dolores Del Rio? That woman's going to come over and force you over our heads. And my dad said, well, before she died, Dolores said, never let him forget me. So now I always sign Dolores Del Rio. I love that. Okay, now I'm going to have to wrap up the show with a quote from the revered film critic Leonard Moulton. Leonard Moulton said,

other actors may have made better movies, but few lived better lives or touched so many people with their warmth and gentility. And he said that about your father, the great Vincent Price. You know, I've had a very fortunate life. I have met my life. And I don't think I've ever met anyone who was as interesting,

as consistently kind, as curious, and who managed to always find a way to say yes every day to life as my dad. And, you know, if you had told me when I was a teenager in my early 20s that I'd be in my 50s going around talking about my dad, I think I might have shot myself. And now, I am so grateful. You know, I'm so grateful that I have the good fortune of knowing somebody, being the child of somebody as extraordinary as my dad.

Oh, that's so nice and sweet. Well, we're grateful. You know, we grew up on him. And as I'm sitting here at Gilbert's dining room table, I'm looking across the room and I see the life mask of your dad staring at me from the wall. So obviously my co-host, he meant something to you as well. Yeah. He's there with all the other horror greats.

Yeah. Jeannie Jr., Bela Lugosi, and of course Al Pacino. And of course Al Pacino. And of course, Al Pacino. Who was so great in The Hunchback of Notre Dame. I love that. That's hilarious. So, ladies and gentlemen, I'm Gilbert Gottfried. This has been Gilbert Gottfried's amazing, colossal podcast with my co-host Frank Santopadre.

And we have been talking to the very gracious and lovely Victoria Price about her father, the great actor Vincent Price. Thanks, Victoria. Thank you for having me on the show. It's been a real, real pleasure. Can we have Gilbert take you out with a little bit of the tingler? Oh, yeah. Run. Run for your lives.

The tingler is loose in the theater. Everyone scream. Scream for your lives. The tingler is loose in the theater. Scream. Scream for your lives! The tinglers loose in the theater! Scream! Scream for your lives! The movie will resume shortly. Victoria, this was a treat. Thank you so much. Thank you for coming on the show.

Thank you guys so much. It was a blast. We'll see you when you're in New York, okay? I look forward to it. Bye-bye. Happy Halloween. Take care. Save the year.