Gilbert Gottfried's Amazing Colossal Podcast - In Memoriam 2019

Episode Date: January 27, 2020

Gilbert and Frank are once again joined by Oscar-nominated screenwriter Michael H. Weber for a fond look back at some of the unforgettable artists who left us in 2019, including Doris Day, Arte Johnson, Valerie Harper, Rene Auberjonois and Carol Channing. Also in this episode: Diahann Carroll takes a stand, Rip Torn takes on Norman Mailer, Albert Finney turns down "Lawrence of Arabia" and Peggy Lipton pens a Frank Sinatra standard. PLUS: "Defending Your Life"! "The Kid Stays in the Picture"! The man behind "The Monkees"! The original Sheriff Truman! The comic genius of Tim Conway!  And the boys bid farewell to the last of the Golden Age directors! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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moisture body wash buy it today at major retailers Hi, this is Gilbert Gottfried, and this is Gilbert Gottfried's amazing, colossal podcast with my co-host, Frank Santopadre. As you all know by now, this podcast is pretty much a love letter to old Hollywood. So this week, we're paying tribute to the talented, unforgettable performers who left us in 2019 on our annual In Memoriam episode. And just as we were last year, Frank and I are joined by our friend and fellow showbiz obsessive, Oscar-nominated screenwriter and producer, and I think you wore an orange wedge? He wore an orange wedge. He wore an orange wedge to the Academy Awards.

And I heard, like like every star there said, where can I get one? They thought it was something to promote the citrus industry. You should have said the migrant workers. A couple people knew I went to Syracuse and thought, oh, you're supporting the Syracuse Orange. Nope, nope. And now the Oscars is giving a special award to

Cesar Romero. I didn't realize that. Because of that. No kidding. Anyway, it's producer Michael H. Weber. Thank you guys. It's great to be back. Screenwriter and producer. Yes. Michael H. Weber. As the only repeat guest who's

under 100 years old. This is why you guys invite me back, because I'm least likely to die year to year. You can find the building without help. Right, it's kind of a sure thing. I won't be dead. I was planning on taking out a gun and shooting you across the desk. Just.

What do we refer to you as tonight? Guest eulogizer? Michael H. Weber? Well, in that case, don't fucking talk to me. Yes. I'm the angel of death. Yes. There was a second one of our listeners

who stole your thunder, who wore an orange waistband. I heard, I heard. Well, let's hope that trend continues. I think it was Liam Neeson, really, yeah. We will... He's a big fan. By the way, we'll know in a few days. I think it was Liam Neeson. He's a big fan. By the way, we'll know in a few days.

I mean, this will have probably aired by then. If Scott and Larry are nominated for Dolomite, which I hope so, I voted for them today. Wonderful. They should be. You know, there's an expectation that they're going to wear an orange wedge pin. Okay, you've shamed them. And if they do win, one will pull his pants down and the other. You know, they love us, but I'm not sure they love us that much.

When do they announce? We're recording this on January 7th. Nomination voting ended today. The nominations are announced the morning of the 13th. Okay. Okay, fingers crossed. Well, by the time you're hearing this, you'll know. I love those guys.

I love them too. Fingers crossed. They should have been nominated for Ed Wood. They should have been nominated for People vs. Larry Flynn. Dolomite was a lot of fun. They should have been nominated for Problem Child, as I should have been. Yes. You got robbed too, guys.

That's him. Oh, well, where do we begin? We lost some good people in 2019. It seems like we lose good people every year we do this. And Mike is morbid like us, so he said, I'd like to do this again. I'd like to pay tribute to some of these people. He's also a listener. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You get our vibe. Of course. You get our jam. And since we have a particular fondness for character actors on this show, why don't we start there? Great. With the A's. I'm not doing this alphabetically.

But let's talk about Rene Auburgeonois, who is somebody that we actually wanted on this show and never got to him, which is a recurring theme. I was going to say. I feel like you'll be saying that a lot of i wish you were saying that a lot but there's also people we did manage to get on the show so we'll talk about those people who agreed to do the show and then died a day later no no no he was not one of them no no no no but that's a whole other list what's he gonna do that's a whole other episode. What's he going to do? That's a whole other episode. But Rene Aubergineau did everything. Born right here in New York City, which is also a recurring motif. Oh, yeah. Do you know how many of these people were born in New York?

We'll see. There's a lot of overlap, actually, between a lot of these people. A lot of overlap. The guy did everything. He was in Altman Stock Company. He was in MASH. He was in McCabe and Mrs. Miller, a movie I love. He was the original Father Mulcacahy yes oh yes the the the structure of brewster mcleod with with him uh oh yeah sort

of speaking to the camera lecturing right and gradually turning into a bird yes it's still one of the most amazing things in in all of film did you do research on him? Did you find that he was the great, great, great... Napoleon's sister was his great, great, great grandmother? I saw that. Isn't that weird? Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah.

Now, he kind of reminded me at times of... And now, of course, getting a mental block on Mr. Smith from Lost in Space. Oh, Dr. Smith. You mean Jonathan Harris. Yeah. Jonathan Harris. Yeah. Because I thought here, too, was a New Yorker.

And he always came across like he was kind of British. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I thought he was French. I mean, I thought he was French French. But born in Manhattan. Right. Wow.

Yeah. He's also only one of 32 actors to appear with the original Star Trek cast. He was in Star Trek VI, the sixth movie, and also a spinoff. That's pretty cool. Because he was a cast member of Deep Space Nine. That's pretty cool. And that's only been done 32 times, which is, that's not a lot of people considering how many Star Trek things there have been now.

He's in the King Kong. He's in the Dino De Laurentiis King Kong. He's in the Big Bus, which we'll talk about. Do you know about the Big Bus? No. He was in some good, successful movies. And by the way, he was in the M.A.S.H. movie, and he turned down a part in the TV series. That's correct.

Ooh. I know. He had a TV career. I mean, he was on Boston Legal. Ooh. I know. He had a TV career. I mean, he was on Boston Legal. He was on Benson. He had a big career. He did a lot of stuff. And he was in a movie that I auditioned for, My Best Friend's a Vampire.

Yes. Do tell. Yes. What part did you audition for in My Best Friend? I guess like the assistant of the vampire killer. Did you chemistry read with him and not have chemistry? Yeah, there just was something between us. That's going to be in my book.

Our friend Craig Bierko, I think, was in Boston Legal with Rene and said some nice things about him. He's apparently a beloved guy. Married to the same woman for 56 years. Did a lot of charity work with Doctors Without Borders and would have been perfect for this show. And yes, I'm going to say it a lot. But he was just, he was on my, I have this giant grease board at home with just like 200 names on it. And it's just, it's heartbreaking when I have to get that marker out and just. He popped up in everything. Yeah. And who knew he was sick? He was a relatively young man yeah anyway how old was he 79 yeah i mean by today's standards yeah here's another great character actor who passed uh at 78 and gino

was actually in pursuit of this person and that's uh the great robert forster oh um terrific yeah another new yorker medium cool oh yeah jackie brown oh yeah wonderful stuff i read somewhere uh his dad was an elephant wrangler for barnum and bailey circus that's cool wow and and as a tribute to his dad it's why in jackie brown you can see a wringling brothers poster over his shoulder in the movie as a tribute to his father which is cool wow that is very cool good movie jackie brown yeah and that was a part of a lifetime for him you know it's nice when tarantino rescues those actors oh i love it i feel like those that movie was underappreciated at the time coming off of uh pulp fiction yeah and and i like too in the movie it's like he's being honest he says you know i i

didn't like the way i was aging so i had some uh hair plugs uh and and i thought here he's admitting it to the audience medium cool is a movie people need to see yeah yeah we had peter bonners who was the sidekick who was the other the other guy the sound man wow in in in medium cool on the show and stupidly we never asked him about it because we just talked about the bob newhart show i'd finally seen it in a theater last year the metrograph downtown here in new york had a screening of medium cool because i'd never seen it on a big screen, and it's really incredible. You brought up Larry Karaszewski. Our friend Larry said he was literally the nicest man

and an amazing storyteller. So once again, I'll kick myself for not getting him on the show. And tying into another name we'll talk about later, when Robert Forster worked with Pam Greer in Jackie Brown, that was actually the second time they'd worked together. The first being in Larry Cohen's movie, Original Gangsters. Oh, very good. And Larry Cohen, we will get to later. You know, he was supposed to be Sheriff Harry Truman in the original Twin Peaks.

Really? And couldn't do it. And then when Michael Onkean turned it down for the reboot he got to play that part. I love those casting what ifs. Me too. He's good in The Descendants, that Alexander Payne movie. Really good in everything.

Apparently there was a seven hour audition for him to get that part in Jackie Brown. Did you find that in the research? No, wow. Which is very interesting, which he called his first meaty role in 25 years. And here's good research on him. He was a member of the Triple Nine Society.

Right, he was like a legitimate genius. Yeah, yeah. An IQ in the above 99 percentile. Oh, boy. So 1% of the people that are tested have that are tested and they put him in so many dumb movies and he was in the black hole yeah yeah yeah and reflections in a golden eye which is terrible stupidest films possible they put him in here's another character actor who was an occasional leading man who passed at only 75 rutger our uh dutch born in the netherlands can't say that one

was born in new york uh i i always remember uh his speech that he gave and they say he ad-libbed it and he says owen blade runner yeah i remember uh seeing ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. Oh, that speech. Yes, yes. The speech before he dies. Tears in the Rain. Tears in the Rain. Yeah.

They said he gave that, he thought that speech up himself. Yeah, apparently he rewrote it the night before, but that final line of tears and rain he came up with, which is amazing. And he actually, he turned down the lead in Das Boot to take that part in Blade Runner. Oh. Oh, interesting. Roy Batty. Yes. Yeah.

Yes. Yeah. But also very, did you ever see a Dutch film called Soldier of Orange? No. That Paul Verhoeven made? He's great. He worked with Verhoeven a few times. A couple of times.

Because I also saw that he was Verhoeven's first choice to play RoboCop. Oh. And then I guess Peter Weller blew him away on the audition and got the part. But initially, it was supposed to be Rutger Hauer as RoboCop. And he's in a very creepy film. I think it's The Hitchhiker. Yes. The Hitchhiker.

Yes, yes. This is what I found in my research, that he had an a very creepy film. I think it's The Hitcher. Yes. The Hitcher. Yes, yes. This is what I found in my research, that he had an aversion to violence. He was afraid of violence because he was born in the middle of World War II, and yet he was in all these violent movies. He was born during the German occupation. And then he swore off those roles at a certain point. The Hitcher, Nighthawks, the Stallone picture, where he's a terrorist, Blade Runner. Either one of you familiar with a movie called Blind Fury?

No. Where he was a blind man. Yes, yes, yes. He's a blind man who kicks ass. Daniel's laughing. Do you know this movie? Produced by Tim Matheson. Yes.

One-time podcast, yes. I remember, and that's where I think at one point he's kidnapped, and he's in a van, and it's supposed to be that he's such a genius that he's counting. So by counting, he knows how far he's been and how far to go back. He can tell the speed of the van yeah somehow he could tell it well it's like how how fucking al pacino knew everything that was going on in sensible one right you know and you go wait a minute no no he wouldn't know that and but yeah because i think they threw away his stick and so he knew where the stick would be. You know of it.

Because he's like, you know, because you see him go like 2012, 2000. And then he kills the two guys and walks all the way back and can find exactly where the stick is, even though he's born. I've got to see this movie. There was one other cool thing I read about Rutger Hauer. The author Anne Rice, who was a best-selling author forever, she wrote Interview with the Vampire, which became a huge movie,

but was a best-selling book for a really long time. When she wrote the book, she always pictured Rutger Hauer as Lestat. Oh, interesting. And that it took so long for the Hollywood process

to do its thing and for it to become a movie, that by the time it became a movie, he was way too old and they sort of took the film in a different direction and it went to Tom Cruise. But in her head, when she was writing the book, she always wanted it to be Rutger Hauer. I know she didn't

picture Tom Cruise. No. He's good in Ladyhawk, too, the Richard Donner movie with Michelle Pfeiffer. Yes, yes. There was another film. I'm trying to think of Rutger Hauer. Is it Hobo with a Shotgun? The Hitcher?

No. The Hitcher, I said already. There's another one. Did he play a killer? Well, he played a killer. He played a killer a lot for a guy who had a fear of violence. Ah. Did a lot of charity work, too.

I do deep dives into these people's lives, and you don't realize, unfortunately, until they're gone, you know, how philanthropic they are or altruistic. Here's another actor, Seymour Cassell, a member of the Cassavetes Company, who was in, I mean, everything. Over 200 IMDb credits from Detroit. Love him in Steve Buscemi's directorial debut, Tree's Lounge. Have you seen that movie? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And also part of the Wes Anderson troupe.

Yup. Yup. Later in life in Tin Man. Not Tin Man. Rushmore. Royal Tenenbaums. Life Aquatic. He's in Levinson's Tin Man.

He's in that film with Greg Kinnear and and i think matt damon where they're stuck on you and he didn't turn down a lot he's he's a sleazy uh out of his league agent in that and he when it comes out the siamese twins he goes ah uh cronkike is going to have a field day with this one. It is amazing the dialogue that you remember from movies that nobody saw. That's going to be his clip during the Oscars in memoriam. That stuck out to you, wasn't it? If Gilbert assembles it. What are some early Rutger Hauer films?

One's killing me. Well, Paul's sitting behind you. Maybe he'll do a little research for you. He'll tell us a year later. Tell us some early, read me some Rutger Hauer films. How the hell do you spell Rutger Hauer? H-U-E-R. H-A-U-E-R.

We'll get back to you next Thursday. One of my sisters had a crush on him really yeah yeah i don't think hollywood really ever knew what quite what to do with him oh and he was in that movie that george clooney made uh a dangerous confessions of a dangerous mind yeah the chuck barrett he's in that too he's like an assassin yeah he's in that too. And he's also wonderfully creepy in there because he's like, he poses killing a guy and he wants his picture taken. I have a couple of his early movies. Oh, good.

Hard to Remember. Yeah. The Will Be Conspiracy. Gilbert's big on the Will Be Conspiracy. Yes, I love that one. Katie Tipple. Yeah. The Year of the Cancer.

What about Spetters? What year are you in? The motorcycle movie. I'm in the mid-70s. Yeah. Let Year of the Cancer. What about Spetters? What year are you in? The motorcycle movie. I'm in the mid-70s. Yeah. Let's see. What else? Max Hevelar?

No. Soldier of Orange, we talked about. Yeah, that's a good one. Pastoral 1943. Mysteries. These are probably Dutch films. Yeah. Spetters, Nighthawks.

Nighthawks was, I think, the first time that American audience. Yeah, another. I remember. Eureka, is that Gene Hackman movie? Yeah, it's a Gene Hackman movie. The Osterman Weekend. Is that the one Sam Peckinpah made? No.

A Breed Apart. No. Flesh and Blood. No. Problem Child 6. Yes. Wanted Dead or Alive. With six, you get egg roll.

The Legend of the Holy Drinker. Yes. Wanted Dead or Alive. With six, you get egg roll. The Legend of the Holy Drinker. Yeah. Blind Fury. He's going to tell you about five minutes from now, oh, it wasn't Rutger Auer. Yes. It was Tim Thomerson.

The Blood of Heroes. By the way, we couldn't do this for Seymour because it's 200-something credits. His credits are nuts. You've seen Tin Men, Barry Levinson's movie. He's in that. He's in Dick Tracy. You pointed out he worked for Wes Anderson.

Great in Rushmore. Royal Tenenbaums. A really good indie called In the Soup. I haven't seen that. Oh, it's a fun movie. Here's a little fun trivia about him.

He reportedly gave Slash, the rock star Slash, his nickname. Oh. Were they hanging out? He apparently was friends with Seymour Cassell's son. So there you go.

How about that? Crazy. Nominated for an Oscar for Faces. Five more Rutgers. You're not going to get it. You're fucking killing me. Hold on, we've got a couple more here. Wedlock, Past Midnight, Split Second, Beyond Justice, Buffy the Vamp the vampire slayer you're out gilbert

it turns out it's not rutger hour you guys really should have had him on yeah it's joey adams yes that you're thinking of nominated for an oscar by the way seymour cassell for faces oh it was arnold stein They're often confused. Here's a character actor of character actors. Rip Torn. Died at 88. Oh my God, yeah. A great character actor and also a great character.

Famously fought with Dennis Hopper and wound up being removed from Easy Rider. And fought with Norman Mailer. Hit him with a hammer. And it's on YouTube. You can watch it. I mean, he literally walks over and clumps him in the head with a hammer, and then they just start wrestling on the ground. It's crazy.

Yeah, yeah. That's a great moment. Born in Texas, studied with Lee Strasberg in the actor's studio. That Mailer picture is nuts. It is really crazy. I think Marsha Mason's in there somewhere. Right. I have to triple.

They shot it out in the Hamptons over one summer. Triple check that. Yeah. He said he was doing it just because he wanted to help Mailer get into character. I mean, he was nuts. And Mailer bit his ear, bit a portion of his ear off. No, it doesn't look like anything planned. He's sort of off in the distance when he walks over to him and hits him with the hammer.

And then they just kind of keep the camera rolling. It's crazy. He was an odd guy who had some run-ins with a lot of different people. And, of course, there's that incident in 2010 when he broke into a bank in Connecticut thinking it was his house. Right. Because he was drunk. Do you remember this?

He broke into a bank because he had a snootful and thought he lived there. By the way- And he was arrested for it. He was great in Defending Your Life. Absolutely. A movie I love. Yeah, absolutely.

With a former podcast guest, Lee Grant. Lee Grant. Yes, yes. And Larry Sanders is maybe my favorite TV show of all time. Mine too. He is just perfect. Mine too. Nominated six times, I think, for that part.

Endlessly quotable. Based on Freddy DeCordova. Yes. Johnny Carson's actual producer. And once again, a line I remember. And once again, a line I remember. He was, when he was in, when he was in, what do you want to call it? We just mentioned.

Larry Sanders show. Larry Sanders show. He, I think they mentioned the Go-Go's. And he goes, yeah, shame about her. She had such a pretty face too. There are a million quotable lines of Rip Torns if you go back and watch that series. Good in three movies to recommend. The Cincinnati Kid, The Man Who Fell to Earth.

Yes. He's good in, and a movie called Payday. See if you guys can find those. And also Terry Southern wrote the part of George, the lawyer, for him in Easy Rider. They had a falling out with Honda.

When you had Peter Fonda on the podcast, he talked about that. He did. Yeah, I think he sued him. I think he sued, Dennis hopper was on leno and told and told a uh a tale out of school about about hopper and i think hopper sued him yeah that was a that was a really long-standing feud the men in black films too i mean truly wonderful there's a guy who could just never be bad at anything. Here are a couple of other names. I want to move on to actresses.

We lost Diane Carroll, who was a pioneer. A legend. Yes. Born in the Bronx. Did you ever meet her or work with her, Gilbert? No. Yeah. She started out as a fashion model.

Big career as an actress. She worked with everybody. Sidney Poitier, Paul Newman. She got an Oscar nomination for a movie called Claudine with James Earl Jones, which is very good. First African-American woman to win a Tony. Very good. And the first African-American actress to star in her own series or to even appear in her own series when she wasn't playing a domestic. Right.

Yeah. And she was a very nice lady. I got to talk to her at chiller fest yeah why didn't invite her on the show i don't know uh yeah because i'm an idiot a billion well i know that she had a lot of credit and she was married to victim moan so she must have had other showbiz stories she was married a bunch of times yeah yeah yeah there's a lot of good work died at 84 there's a great story about her that um the oscars uh were scheduled for a few days after martin luther king jr was assassinated and uh the academy always being a little behind the times uh they were going to go on with the show and diane

carroll and a couple other actors got together and said we're're going to boycott the Oscars. I didn't know that. If you don't push back the show. And it was her, Sammy Davis Jr., Sidney Poitier, Rod Steiger, and I'm forgetting who the other person was. Rutger Hauer. Louis Armstrong. Very good. And Rutger Hauer. Louis Armstrong. Very good. And because of her pushing that you cannot have the Oscars just a few days after this.

This is a national tragedy. So they pushed back the Oscars and they delayed the show out of reverence. That's a great story that I did not find. Yeah. She did a lot of wonderful work. Speaking of models who became actresses, Peggy Lipton passed away at 72. Beautiful woman and a New Yorker.

By the way, Diane Carroll's from the Bronx. There's two. Oh, and Peggy Lipton was a Jew. She was! I was going to spring that on you. She was Peggy Lipschitz. Yes! Nothing getting past you, Gilbert.

Married to Quincy Jones, who still is the ultimate dream guest for this podcast quincy jones he won't do it like if there's one per if i had one wish it would be quincy jones comes on this podcast for for 11 hours quincy come on for one minute talk about marlon brando fucking richardryor, and then you can leave. Now it's officially an in-memoriam episode. You realize if you had had Peggy on, there was probably a good chance that

Quincy had told her that story back in the day. She probably would have had details about it. Oh, this is horrible. We'll invite Rashida Jones, and ask her if she knows the story. We'll just get closer and closer to Quincy. Tell me five more Rutger Howe films. I'm fucking going out of my head here.

I could make up the titles and you wouldn't know the difference. He'll tell you afterward. She got four Emmy nominations for playing Julie Barnes on The Mod Squad, which I didn't know. And then she stopped working for a long time and came back and did Twin Peaks. Twin Peaks, yeah. She also, by the way, had a relationship with Paul McCartney and Elvis Presley. Wow. Now we really missed

out on an opportunity. We're going to ask the civil shepherd to come on the show because she dated Elvis and she's got to have stories. Here's good trivia about Peggy Lipton. She co-wrote Frank Sinatra's hit L.A. Is My Lady. Really? How about that? That is something. With Quincy and Marilyn and Alan

Bergman. That's what I found. Two more actresses who were famous for, I think to most audiences for television. Kay Ballard, Gilbert. Died at 93. She was one of mine. She was Calabrese. Worked and toured with Spike Jones. That's how long she

had been in the business. You know Kay Ballard? Before your time. A little bit. She starred in a show that Desi Arnaz created called The Mother's-in-Law. Yes. With Eve Arden from Grease.

Who's the other actress? Eve Arden. Eve Arden. Yeah. God. She worked at Perry Como Show. She was discovered doing impressions of Maurice Chevalier at age five. She went back to vaudeville.

She was one of the few surviving vaudeville performers. Wow. Had a big stage career, had a big TV career. Catherine Bellotta changed her name to Kay Ballard. Look her up. She did some really, really great stuff. Katherine Hellman passed away. Oh.

Known to, I guess, most audiences from Soap. And who's the boss. Yeah. Everybody loves Raymond. And everybody loves Raymond. And she was in that one with, well, I'm forgetting everything, the guy from Monty Python. Oh, she was in Brazil. Brazil. Yes, Brazil. Very good in that. And Family Plotty Python. Oh, she was in Brazil. Brazil.

Yes, Brazil. Very good in that. Family plot. Yeah. Yeah, she's in Family Plot. Yes. Good find. She was in Time Bandits, too.

Talking about Terry Gilliam. She was one of those, and the movie Overboard, the Gary Marshall movie. She was one of those people who worked a long time before gaining any kind of notoriety. But she was very versatile. The only actor to appear in all 88 episodes of Soap. The only one. I didn't know that. She was great. You did great research here appear in all 88 episodes of Soap. The only one. I didn't know that. She was great.

You did great research here. I'm on top of it this year. Her friend Tony Danza said she was aces before she died. I sang to her and I played my ukulele. I played I Go to Pieces by Del Shannon.

I really, really miss her. Again, another much-loved person. She wore a bikini on Who's the Boss in her 60s. So you know what? How about that, Gilbert? That's something to admire. How about some props for that?

And as long as we're talking about TV actresses, Valerie Harper passed away. Someone I actually got to know a little bit. Not Jewish, Gilbert. Rhoda Morgenst stern was not jewish what what she said is that uh jewish women would come up to her all the time saying please tell me you're jewish and she would say i i'm not jewish but rhoda is. There you go. Her roots were European and French Canadian. Oh. She studied with John Cassavetes.

Wow. Joined Second City in Chicago and was still working on a live Second City show when she got the Mary Tyler Moore show, which, by the way, is turning 50 this year, if you want to feel old. And it made her a star and then of course the spinoff rhoda back in the days we talk about when there were three tv channels yeah everybody watched the same show just like everybody watched the mash finale everybody watched rhoda's wedding every yeah everyone saw her running through the street in her wedding gown yeah it was i i read a stat uh 52 million people 52 million watched that episode of Rhoda. How about that?

And it was the highest rated TV episode of the 70s. And it held that record until Roots at the end of the decade. And up until that night of Rhoda's wedding, it became the second most watched episode of anything on TV. Only surpassed by the birth of little ricky on in i love lucy in 53 you'll never see those days again where everybody's watching or the mash finale but like a hit show a hit network show now gets three million people watching it's like that's that's unbelievable times of four million people i i remember it's like years ago, you could go up to anybody on the earth the day after and say, hey, did you see on such and such? And everybody saw it.

A water cooler show, they used to call it. Like laughing. Yeah, laughing, anything. Any show then, if you saw it, everybody else on the earth alan alda told us that there was a plumbing problem in in uh in in new york because so you know about this because so many people were watching mash that everybody got up to use the toilet at the same time everybody took the same bathroom break they said they said that about a few shows like Milton Berle and Sid Caesar, where the reservoir, you could see it lower.

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for a rich indulgent experience. Treat your senses with new Olay Indulgent Moisture Body Wash. Buy it today at major retailers. She's also in a movie you guys have talked about a bunch of times, Freebie and the Bee. Yeah major retailers. She's also in a movie you guys have talked about a bunch of times, Freebie and the Bean. Yeah, sure. She's good in that. She's in Chapter 2 as well. Now that brings us to James

Kahn, who Alec Baldwin said he interviewed James Kahn, and he said, you've worked with so many great people, great directors, great actors, great great films and james conn said yeah that'll never happen again really yeah he said that period of show business is over you're breaking my heart yeah she fought her illness very bravely and very publicly she was she was

sick for a long time and i got to to work with her twice. She was delightful. But this was a great quote. She said, I want people to be less afraid of death while you're alive, live, which I thought was very sweet. She hung on for a very, very long time. What did you work with her on? I worked with her on The View twice, and she was just great to me. And we got to spend a little time together because I revealed myself to be a Mary Tyler Moore show nerd. And she knew the lines.

She still knew the lines when I set her up. Also, speaking of that show, Georgia Engel, who played Georgette, Ted Baxter's girlfriend, also passed away. She was spotted in a local production of Hello, Dolly! and offered a three-day role on the show by Mary Tyler Moore, which turned into a couple of seasons. Okay. Which turned into a career-changing part. And I remember a line that she said on Mary Tyler Moore where they wanted to adopt a kid.

And she says to the adoption agency worker, you know, like with tears in her eyes, she goes, do you know what a great father ted baxter the one where he gets drunk yes and she says he he spent the day painting clown faces on the child's room and then she goes okay he made a mistake it was the living room. Yeah, they're having trouble adopting a kid, and he ties one on. And then the caseworker makes a surprise visit to see if they're worthy parents, and he's drunk. She passed at 70. In fact, she was on Raymond, too. And there was almost a spinoff of her character and Fred Willard's character.

Really? And it didn't happen. And she was on The Office, too, as Ellie Kemper's... Right. I think she was Ellie Kemper's aunt or a woman who takes her in on The Office. Very, very funny actress. Let's talk about a couple of legends. This is really going from the sublime to the ridiculous.

Robert Evans. Oof. Now, he... Where do you begin? We could have done the entire series talking to him yo we could have done uh 50 episodes of this show just call it the robert evans podcast easily it's you want to start yeah you know he became head of paramount when paramount was sort of in the toilet yeah at age 37 and the list of movies that he sort of oversaw and and shepherded at the studio here's just a few

in in only a small number of years barefoot in the park the odd couple rosemary's baby the italian job true grit love story godfather one godfather two serpico save the tiger the conversation all with him at the helm of the studio. Amazing. And Harold and Maude. And Harold and Maude. Oh, yeah. And Harold and Maude. Yeah. And then he left the studio and became a producer.

And he produced Chinatown, Black Sunday, Marathon Man, Urban Cowboy. And then later he produced Cotton Club and The Two Jakes and things got a little dicey. That was part of his downfall. But that run he had in the 70s was, I mean, it's unbeatable. Did you ever meet him? No, no. And I just, everyone who met him had such great stories. I'm sure. Yeah.

And I know Dustin Hoffman based his Wag the Tail character on him. Oh, Wag the Dog. Wag the Dog. Yeah. And you know the story after Robert Evans saw the movie. Yeah. He saw Wag the Dog and then he announced, I'm magnificent in this film. I'll give you one more.

Dustin Hoffman based Mumbles in Dick Tracy on Robert Evans. The part that you lost out on. Yes. I lost the movie to Dustin Hoffman. Wow. So I can't complain too much. They say the story of how he was sort of discovered. He was a radio actor as a kid, but he gave it up and he went back to the garment business.

But the story is that he was discovered at the Beverly Hills Hotel pool. Do you know this story? By Norma Shearer, who saw him and thought that he should play Irving Thalberg, which was her late husband, in the Cagney movie Man of a Thousand Faces. And that's how he got the part. That's incredible. Now, I don't know if that's which was her late husband, in the Cagney movie, Man of a Thousand Faces. And that's how he got the part. Now, I don't know if that's in his documentary and it's in the book. But I don't know. New York City born, by the way.

Robert Evans, another New Yorker. So the documentary, there's a tremendous documentary he made about his life and career called The Kid Stays in the Picture. It's probably from about 10 or 15 years ago. Yeah, maybe 15. It's phenomenal. Maybe longer than that. The book Easy Riders, R riders raging bulls which has come up a lot of times also he's basically on every page of that book the robert evans stories are just unbelievable that documentary is amazing daryl zanuck cast him also as a mexican and the sun also rises oh my god and

and this is where the title came from apparently Apparently, Hemingway himself and the other actors were begging to get him out of the picture because he was so terrible. And Zanuck fired off a famous memo saying, the kid stays in the picture. Wow. And that's where the title came from. He made himself into a producer because he knew he was a bad actor. Smart, smart. That he knew where his talents were. He was honest bad actor. Smart, smart. That he knew where his talents were. He was honest about it.

He actually was one of the people fighting Francis Ford Coppola before they made The Godfather because he did not want Al Pacino. Right, they thought he was a runt. Yeah, so he wanted Redford or Warren Beatty. And he kept saying that Pacino reminded him of Michael J. Pollard. Someone we'll be talking about shortly. Oh, to have him on the list. To Evans, they were basically the same thing. And Evans referred to Pacino as that little dwarf.

They didn't want any part of Brando either. No. Anthony Quinn was going to be the Don and Ernest Borgnine was going to be the Don. I think they even said Frank Sinatra at one point. Right, right. And then here's another crazy- Oh, and they said Laurence Olivier. Really?

They were considering. Can you imagine? I guess he could have pulled it off if anybody could have. I guess. He could have pulled it off, but you can't think of anybody else on that part. So Sharon Tate invited Robert Evans over the night she was killed. Oh, my God. Where'd you find that?

And he declined. That's wild. And instead, she called Jay Sebring, who was killed along with her. Oh, that's wild. She had called Robert Evans first, and he was just like, nah, I'm not feeling it. I don't want to come hang out. Well, he dodged death a couple of times because he had three strokes and several incidents. But the Cotton Club, that was the beginning of the end.

And then there was the whole Roy Radin murder, which he was not implicated in. But he was questioned. And then he got busted for cocaine trafficking in 1980. And then he lost his home. And then I guess Nicholson helped him get it back. I think so. I think seven marriages also took their toll. Financially and otherwise.

That's another theme of this episode. A lot of people with a lot of marriages. A lot of marriages. Nobody beats him. Not having to do at all with Evans. But Sharon Tate is one of the girls that I mentioned who falls over in a movie and shows her white underwear in one of the Matt Helm movies Matt Helm movie yeah and which is in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood yes they have what's her name uh Margo Robbie Margo Robbie fall over and show her

it's a great scene when she goes to that movie theater and is watching herself in the theater. And I said, that's the scene I tell everybody about. Tarantino got the idea from you, Gil. Yeah, see, I'm sure he did. You're basically in a Tarantino movie. And see, it's hard to jerk off to the Matt Helm one because she was murdered. All right now.

You name one other in memoriam episode as tawdry as this one. I can't. The last thing I want to say about Robert Evans is that I had the pleasure of watching him get his Hollywood Walk of Fame star. Really? My friend Rick Willett and i went there and and uh and stood online in searing heat that's cool and watched him and he got up and made a speech you know about how ali mcgraw he still wasn't over the ali mcgraw steve mcqueen she left him famously right steve mcqueen if you remember

the documentary he keeps referring to as that brat i heard a story that one time uh he was a real legend steve mcqueen was fighting for the rights to uh his son or a child he was whatever and and somebody came into the room and showed him a piece of paper and and steve mcqueen just said all right i give up the case and so there was some some incredible some horrible thing on that piece of paper that i'd love to find out you're never gonna know no yeah yeah missed that one podcast by a few years it's uh here's another legend albert finney oh yeah that's a big loss he what an actor he was in toward late in his career and the last film that's the great sydney lamette directed oh that's a great movie when the devil knows when the devil knows you're dead yeah terrific one that's one of those movies that in the first minute grabs me i wonder

why that first minute the sex scene with marissa tomei is that where you got grabbed that is the first minute but it was one of those movies where you go okay i'm in yeah where and you're just hanging on every that's a terrific and and also terrific Philip C. Moore Hoffman yeah I mean Finney was in great movies for 40, 50 years oh yeah well

Tom Jones Two for the Road Under the Volcano Miller's Crossing yeah I love Orphans have you ever seen Orphans? no Alan Pakula

it was a film stage play but he was very good in it him and Matthew Modine so I read that Albert Finney he had to do a four day test stage play but he was very good at it him and matthew modine so i read that uh albert finney he had to do a a four-day test uh for lawrence of arabia for the lead oh yeah and he got the part and then sam spiegel wanted to sign him to like a multi-year deal that's it albert finney said no i

don't do that i'm not giving you multi-years turned him down and then walked away from the movie oh turned him down made peter o'toole a star yeah yeah he did everything he did strindberg he was part of the royal shakespeare company uh a four-time oscar nominee six six times i had four six and never won impressive uh before we mentioned before the devil knows you're dead which i think yes gilbert's right it was lumet's last movie. Wonderfell and Miller's Crossing replacing Trey Wilson from Raising Arizona, who had died suddenly. You ever see a movie called Wolfen? Oh, yes. It's one of his comeback movies.

Now, that one, though. It's flawed, but he's great in it. Gregory Hines. You know, great actors always can have trouble with accents. And he's supposed to be a New Yorker. And Alan King, I think, was the producer of that. That's right. And Alan King had them right in a line where he said, yeah, they used to call me the limey.

And that was to excuse the fact that this guy is is not right from new york i'll tell you something wild he tested for the benjamin braddock part in the graduate that's bizarre which is that's bizarre you're like wait he was like 50 he was too old he wasn't 50 but he was too old to play that part it just it makes no sense my god movie called saturday night and sunday morning i've seen it it's incredible wonderful theresser, which I know he was nominated for an Oscar for. Shoot the Moon, which is depressing and great. Alan Parker's movie. Gilbert, you'll like this.

He's the only actor to call Audrey Hepburn a bitch on screen. Oh! Two for the Road's a great movie. Very good. We'll talk about the director of that movie momentarily, who also passed away this year. But see these movies. And he declined knighthood twice. Wow. In 1980 and 2000

calling it, he said, perpetuated snobbery. Wow. How about that? Quick eulogy. Malcolm McDowell said Albert Finney was the most influential actor of his generation. He made it possible for actors from the provinces to make it. He also

helped filmmakers as a producer. He managed, he fundraised for Lindsay Anderson's movie If, and he produced Oh Lucky Man. Did you know that? No. John Cleese said Albert Finney, the best. Terrific actor. And see all of those movies that we just mentioned,

including Murder on the Orient Express. Oh, yeah. Which he's absolutely a little bit of that again. And he was the third choice for that, which is amazing. It was Alec Guinness and Paul Schofield were the first two choices. Any of them would have been great, but now I can't picture anybody else. And Jacqueline Bishop was on Murder on the Orient Express. Yes, why is that relevant?

Guest on the show who saw a dog eat out Jacqueline Bishop. That dog is probably dead now so we should the dog either the dog wrote a book about it really here's another legend doris day 97 wow from cincinnati ohio began her career here's a long career she started out with less brown and his band of renown gilbert does that mean anything to you she started her movie career in 1948 worked with clark gable carrie grant david niven frank sinatra jack lemon kirk douglas jimmy stewart jimmy cagney and of course most notably rock hudson um discovered for the movies by the great director michael curtis who made casablanca and mildred pierce and the very horny bob hope one one said where you going with this one said to doris day when he ran into her

on the lot he said you know i could play a really nice game of chess on your ass. He said that. Where did you come up with this? I saw that. It was written. Is that in her memoir? Yeah. I don't know.

But Bob Hope said that to Darvish. Was that something Bob Hope did on the regular? Well, he was a horny old fuck. Right, but I didn't think chess was involved. Did Bob Hope play chess? Because I read it was Parcheesi that he said to her. I think it was Stratego. So I read some interesting things.

What do you got on Doris Day? Doris Mary Ann Kappelhoff. Wow. She turned down the role of Maria in The Sound of Music, and she said, I'm too American to play a nun from Austria. Good. Oh, and she turned down Mrs. Robinson. She did.

Because she said the script was vulgar and offensive. Good catch. Look at that, two people who turned down the graduate. And then she turned down the lead role of Jessica Fletcher in Murder, She Wrote. Oh. That's interesting. Yeah. Wow.

That one makes you pause for a second. She also turned down the lead in Showgirls. I don't know if you know that. It went to Elizabeth Berkley. Interesting. Yeah. Also found it vulgar and offensive. She, of course, was 80 at the time.

By the way, she also dated Ronald Reagan. She did. After Ronald Reagan's marriage to Jane Wyman ended, they dated for a little bit. And at the time, he was a Democrat and she was a lifelong Republican. And she used to say to him, you know, you're so good at speaking and talking, you should tour the country and give speeches. Oh. How about that? Interesting.

How about that? Of course, she became, that was the, so involved with that Rock Hudson whole scandal at the time. Yeah, she publicly embraced him when people didn't know what AIDS was. Well, she claimed to not know he was gay. That's odd. Yeah. They made five movies or four movies together. That's odd. Yeah.

They made five movies or four movies together. He was one of those that like every single person in show business, if you mopped the floors, you said, oh, yeah. It was like well-known, like accepted, you know, best known secret. But she did have him on her talk show. On her talk show, yeah. And her talk show was on like the Christian broadcast network. Yeah, it was very brave of her. When he was dying. And as talk show, yeah. And her talk show was on the Christian broadcast network. Yeah, it was very brave of her. When he was dying. And as I said, people didn't understand what AIDS was.

They didn't know that you could even make physical contact with people. She hugged him and held his hand. Which was the actress who kissed him and was terrified? I don't know. There was some actress at the time. She kissed Rock Hudson and was really terrible. Was it Rutger Hauer? It might have been Rutger Hauer.

I am going to call my sister before the show ends. Was it Misha Hauer? Yes. Speaking of the Mansons, there's a Doris Day connection. I know this. Her son, Terry Melcher, owned the house. Oh.

At, what is it, Cielo Drive? The house that was later demolished. The house that Sharon Tate rented where she was murdered. Or he lived in the house, but didn't own the house. Oh, right. He was the renter that rented it out to them.

And supposedly that's who they were looking for. But Terry Melcher worked in music. Yes. And there's a scene in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood where Manson stops by the house a few days beforehand. And that really happened. The reason he stopped by the house was he was looking for Terry Melcher. And Terry Melcher's the person who, I guess, rejected Manson's attempt at writing songs. At least he perceived it that way.

He wanted to be like a rock star. Right. And I guess there was a theory for a little while that, oh, maybe. And he was involved. He became involved with one of the Beach Boys. Yes. Dennis Wilson. But the theory was that because Terry Melcher rejected Manson's songwriting, that's why they targeted that house.

But then I guess the police later sort of poked a hole in that. I don't know. But my understanding of it is she told him, he told his mother how spooked he was, and she said, move out. And he moved out of the house. But she lived in fear for years because there were still Mansonites,

the ones that weren't arrested or weren't involved with the murders, were still floating around. People like Squeaky Fromm. Yeah. There were a lot of people floating around, and she feared, some people say it hastened her retirement because she got out of the business after the doris day show for the most part i mean she turned down a lot of public appearances

she got screwed by one of her husbands she did indeed her second husband left her in the in debt yeah that's why she did the series that's why she did the doris day show and then she was in sort of carmel california for the last decades of her life she turned out a lot of public appearances she would do phone interviews she was uh big on the animal cause yes yes a woman after my own heart she started the doris day animal foundation and the doris day pet foundation um a person of of real decency and and conscience and she made it to 97. That's one that I don't think you guys ever would have had a chance of getting her on the podcast. No. That's not one that got away.

Yeah, yeah, that one. No. There are people who got away, and then there's Doris Day. Yeah. Yeah, that was never happening. If the graduate was too vulgar. Yes. As always, with every one of these shows, there's people we're not going to get to. So I'll apologize in advance because I've written down a lot of names, but time is not going to permit us to get to all of them.

But let me mention, since I'm sitting across from a famous comedian, let me mention three famous comedians. Rip Taylor. Oh, God. Ever meet him, Gil? And these are three people I would like you to know that we pursued for years and to no avail. I was once on doing a bit on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. And Rick Taylor was one of the guests. And I went to his dressing room and he just started doing schtick for me.

That's awesome. I was like doubled over. The dumbest shit. Was there confetti yeah it was like the dumbest shit you could think of and it was hysterical but the confetti bit was an accident it came later yeah it was an accident bombing on merv griffin ripped up the cards playing cards and then people yeah people loved it yeah and there were calls into the station or whatever and then it became his signature. Always one of my favorites.

Yeah. Because he wasn't funny unless he was bombing. Yes. In fact, bombing was the whole point with his act. By the way, I thought Billy Eichner, who you guys should have on the podcast. Funny guy. Not just hilarious, but Billy Eichner is of our tribe, just cares about old Hollywood. Oh, he does? Oh, we'll ask him.

He's amazing with all this stuff i thought he had a really nice tweet when um when rip taylor died he said r.i.p rip i can't imagine how much bullshit you had to deal with in an industry that decided it was finally cool to be a gay man in comedy like a year ago nevertheless you ignored all that and delighted people for decades i agree he was hilarious and uh rip taylor line that killed me he said i went to the virgin islands they gave me a hero's welcome charles elmer rip taylor a six decade career started out in strip clubs pantomime acts oh god he he really worked his way up i remember one thing that i had his speech memorized on it there was an infomercial for a fortune teller

and he uh she supposedly predicted that he'd open a casino with uh shirley mclean and he said she said i'd open a casino i never wanted up and we're opening it next month and uh she said i'd be in a movie and i said what movie i yeah i developed films and all the jokes and and I'm going to be in three films. Who knew? She knew. He believed this stuff. Yes. Wow.

Well, or they were paying him to believe it. Oh, I see. It was one of those. By the way, you said he started out pantomiming records. Yeah, Dick Van Dyke started that way. But he was pantomiming Yiddish folk songs. There you go, Gil. Oh, my God.

Yeah. Would I like to see a tape of that? Yeah. Sigmund and the Sea Monsters. He worked for Sid and Marty Kroft. Yes. The $1.98 Beauty Show. Chuck Barris.

He was a regular on the Gong Show, occasionally on Match Game. And Gino just showed me a clip. We chased him for a long time. Gino showed me a clip from the telethon of Jerry Lewis, Fred Trafalina, Rip Torn. Rip Taylor, you mean. Rip Taylor. Would have been great with Rip Torn. Rip Taylor.

Yeah, Rip Taylor. Charlie Callis. Wow. And Marty Allen. Oh, I got to see this clip old singing uh make him laugh gotta see this clip hysterical gino who you all know if you're listening to this show regularly gilbert hates to say his name so i say his name as often as i can helps us book this show is this you know he's he's uh he's our our brother in arms okay enough about enough about him. And he pursued Rip Taylor doggedly.

And he told us he had a book. He was going to wait until his memoir. The memoir never showed up. Rip never showed up either. But here's his tribute. He would have been great. Fantastic. Here's another guy who would have been wonderful who died at 90, Artie Johnson.

Oh, he would have been terrific. And we chased him and chased him. And we just couldn't, you know know and he was on a trike so oh yeah no but he did a lot of stuff everybody knows arty johnson from laughing of course yes and as the and as the horny old man whose name was tyrone horni yeah who pursued endlessly pursued uh ruth buuzzi, the Randy old man. But, you know, he had a career as an actor. He did a lot of stuff.

He did sitcoms, variety shows. He was on a Twilight Zone episode called The Whole Truth. He's in a good movie called The President's Analyst. I love that movie. Yeah, me too. He came back for a little while to be in that George Hamilton. Yes, he played Renfield in Love at First Bite. He was funny in that.

Very funny guy. Very funny guy. Yeah. And he'd been in ill health for years. We were after him for years. And another guy we chased almost from the beginning, almost from the time that we launched this show, Dara pursued him, Gino pursued him, and that's tim conway oh yeah um now that was a tough one because we we really

really wanted him tim conway i i went up to him i was doing a commercial and tim conway was also in an in the commercial and and i went up to tim conway, and I said, yeah, I don't know if you're familiar with this, but there's some story that has to do with Pat McCormick, and he just looks at me seriously and goes, helicopter? And I said, yeah, and he nods his head. Thank you, sir. Started out as a disc jockey in Ohio. His partner was?

Ernie Anderson. Ernie Anderson. P.T. Anderson's dad. Paul Thomas Anderson's dad. Goularty. Crazy. In fact, I believe that the station broke them up. They were a duo.

Yeah. In fact, they cut an album together. And I hope this is, I have my information right. I believe the studio broke them up, the station broke them up, and that's why P.T. Anderson went off and created the monster character, created Goularty. Oh, wow. Because he was a solo.

So I read that Tim Conway's license plate was 13 weeks, and it's because all of his solo TV projects were canceled after 13 weeks. The Tim Conway show, Rango. 13 weeks. Turn On only made it one week. Turn On, yeah. Turn On was this show taken off the day it was on. Yeah, that's infamous, which we discussed with George Slaughter when he was on the podcast.

My grandfather watched those Dorf videos. Seriously? During my childhood. My grandfather was obsessed with those Dorf on golf, Dorf on. I remember seeing Tim Conway on with Scheider. What's his name? Oh, the guy with the smoking the cigarette all the time. Tom Snyder.

Tom Snyder. He was on with him. And so one of the things he was blogging was the latest Dwarf on golf. And they showed a clip. And when it came back, it was so unfunny. These were terrible. When it came back, Tom Snyder just goes, ah. I heard Tom Snyder was not that nice a guy you heard that he couldn't even fucking fake it where

do you go from there just like every every series was canceled as you say uh rosemary i found became a fan of his and helped him early in his career did you know that no she took him under her wing and she helped him get on the steve allen show uh four Emmys on the Carol Burnett show for his great work and his great work with Harvey Korman. And he had a movie career. Disney movies like The World's Greatest Athlete and Gus, which is about a field goal kicking mule. And then they teamed him up with Don Knotts. For The Prizefighter and Private Eyes and the Apple Dumpling Gang. He's in a movie called The Long Shot with our friend Ted Wass.

He had a movie career, and he worked well into the 90s and the 2000s. Okay, I was going to be in a movie called The Long Shot. I think they changed the name because there was already that movie called The Long Shot. There was one this year, or last year, Long with with uh seth rogan okay there you go i i was i just had a part in this movie it was with art garfunkel was in it and it was made by that guy what was his name perlman or something oh you've mentioned this the guy that got in trouble for new with new kids on the block yes the guy who was scamming he did some jail time thank you you, Dan. Yeah. And then he was-

Did you dodge a bullet there, Gil? He was accused of some other stuff. Yeah. But they never proved it. Listen to the episode we did with Tim's old friends, Arnie Kogan, who wrote for The Burnett Show, and Bill Persky. It's a good one. You can find it now that all the episodes are free.

Carol Burnett said he was one in a million, not only a brilliant comedian, but a loving human being, and I cherish the time we had on screen and off. Really funny guy and would have been great on this show. Oh, yeah. Although he was shy. I worked with him on the Mark Twain Prize, and he was a little introverted.

Yeah, I think he was another one of those people who, if he wasn't performing. You got that sense a little bit. One more mention of Artie Johnson. He has a connection to this podcast because he played Eddie Sherman in Bud and Lou. He's the one who gives Lou Costello the strawberry malted. Yes. Oh, my God. You're giving Luke Costello the strawberry malted.

Yes. Oh, my God. You know, I had a lot of strawberry malted in my day, but this one's the best. And I remember Artie Johnson, when he takes out the strawberry malted, he says, here, I brought your strawberry malted because you're a good boy three guys who would have been gold on this show oh boy oh boy let's talk quickly we have a screenwriter in our midst let's talk about a couple of writers and some directors you're familiar with the work of william whitliff screenwriter wrote lonesome dove honeysuckle rose, Legends of the Fall, The Perfect Storm, The Black Stallion. Wow.

Co-wrote, had a nice career. Texan, passed away. Mardik Martin, Scorsese's collaborator, who wrote Raging Bull. I met him once when I worked for De Niro a long time ago. Do tell. No, there's no story, unfortunately, just he was very nice. Interesting man. Was he from Iraq?

He was Middle Eastern. He washed dishes. He fled Iraq during the draft to avoid the draft. He washed dishes to pay his way to NYU. Met a young student, Martin Scorsese. Right. And they used to write scripts in his car. They used to sit.

Scorsese didn't have a car, but Martin had a car. He said that they used to sit in his old plymouth valiant and write in the cold and the snow wow how many times did they collaborate mean streets which was called season of the witch right before they changed the title new york new york and raging bull with schrader right with paul schrader uh alvin sergeant who was a a giant among screenwriters died at 92 paper moon julia ordinary people yeah what about bob straight time unfaithful i love straight time dominic and eugene a movie i like the sam raimi spider-mans which are great absolutely started out as an actor came to hollywood to be an actor is in from here to

eternity right in a bit part zinneman working for fred zinneman and then years later he writes julia wow which fred zinnemann gets to direct. Paper Moon, I love to death. Brothers with Herb Sargent. Yes, Herb was a friend of mine. Really? We eulogized Herb on a previous show. President of the Writers Guild.

Yes. For a while, and a lovely guy. I have friends who worked with Alvin, and every single one of them talk about how he was such a mensch. He was such a pleasure to work with. That's nice to hear. All good movies. Have you seen a movie called Love and Pain and the Whole Damn Thing with Maggie Smith? No.

He wrote that. Look at it. Look for it. A couple of directors. D.A. Pennebaker. Yes. One of the granddaddies of the documentary. Really?

Like someone on the Mount Rushmore of American documentary. Monterey Pop. yes granddaddies of the documentary really like someone on the mount rushmore of american documentary monterey pop don't look back dylan documentary uh must sees john singleton died uh rather young at 51 sadly of a sudden of a sudden stroke that is a terrific movie boys in the hood oh so good he um he wrote boys in the hood i read this while he was an intern on the arsenio hall show, which is actually also where he met Ice Cube. How about that? And then he was a PA on Pee Wee's Playhouse, and that's

where he met Lawrence Fishburne. So working kind of behind the scenes. He networked well. Yes, exactly. Yeah. He basically put that movie together by working all these other jobs. Grew up in South Central LA and made a very, very good film about it. Here's a name I...

And by the way, I should say, at 24 years old, he was the youngest person and the first African American to be nominated for Best Director. Yes, we should mention that.

This is a guy, James Frawley. Do you know the name? Oh, yeah. The director of The Big Bus. Yes. He was the guy, one of the guys

behind The Monkees. He also directed The Muppet Movie. Right. He directed the pilot for The Monkeppet movie right he directed the pilot for the monkey yes he directed the pilot he was hand-picked by raffleson and schneider the guys who created the monkeys uh and they gave him we had mickey dolan's on this show and he gave jim frawley a lot of credit because he came from an improvisational background i mean two of those

guys were musicians they weren't they weren't actors at all dolan's and jones were actors tork and nesmith were musicians they weren't actors they weren't comedians uh and they they said they owed a lot to him um tork is another one yeah we'll get to that he's probably uh for all he's probably the only person who could say he directed orson welles bob hope milton burrell richard pryor steve martin and mel brooks all in the same movie. And Kermit the Frog. And Kermit the Frog. And they're all in the Muppet movie. And podcast guest Austin Pendleton.

Yes. Stanley Donnan, we were talking about, too, for The Road. Stanley was 94. Boy, what a body of work. Sort of like the last. I think it was the last of the Golden Age directors. Charade, too, for The Road, On the Town. Royal Wedding. Royal Royal Wedding Seven Brides

It goes on and on Dazzled, Funny Face You said Singing in the Rain, right? I was saving Singing in the Rain for last Started as a dancer at age 10 Saw Fred Astaire at age 9 Said he changed my life as a little boy Got to direct Fred Astaire

Late in life, in Royal Wedding. That's cool. He directed the famous scene where Fred Astaire dances with the coat rack and then dances on the ceiling. Oh, geez. Stanley Don and Thor. And by the way, decades later, directed the Lionel Richie music video dancing on the ceiling. Correct. They went to the right guy.

video dancing on the ceiling correct they went to the right guy and and that's that's the movie where they they talked about how they did it and they built an entire room with the furniture nailed down and it was a revolving room right it rotated yes and and so it was and that to me is so much more fascinating now yet now with computers they do anything they want and when i hear stuff like that that incredible yeah and i think that's basically the idea that krick used in 2001. It may have been. With Keir Dullea. Can you believe this man was never nominated for an Academy Award? That's insane.

Not even nominated. Not only did they not give an Oscar to my friend Michael Weber, which is an outrage, but... Stanley Donnan, this is an all-time great. But I have another reason to hold a grudge against him. I read one crazy thing about his career.

In 93, later in life, he was going to direct a movie musical adaptation of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde starring Michael Jackson. How about that? And then all the allegations started coming out and the project died. I'm glad he didn't. That would be scary for all the wrong reasons. Here's a little known Stanley Donnan

picture. Movie, movie. With red buttons and Art Carney and George C. Scott and Harry Hamlin. I need to see that. See if you can find it. I have it on DVD. I have it on Blu-ray. I'll bring it to you. And see Charade, the best Hitchcock movie that Hitchcock never made.

Yeah. And definitely two for the road. He was a New Yorker and late in life, not from here originally, but made New York his home and Elaine May was his companion. He never got enough credit

for Singing in the Rain. Never got enough credit. They kind of spent their lives sort of battling over who was the real true author it's a shame uh online on youtube you can find a wonderful uh uh clip of him getting an honorary oscar from martin scorsese and he does a little song and dance in 1998 here's a couple of other people um quickly as we run out of time. And like I said, we never get to everybody. These are a couple of wonderful actresses we lost.

Carol Lindley from The Poseidon Adventure. I once sat on a plane. Boy, you talk about this could have been a disaster movie. disaster movie i sat on a plane once years ago in between carolyn lee and sylvia sydney oh my god that is a disaster yes yeah that was like airport 97 starring gilbert godfrey helen reddy sylvia sydney and jimmy walker wow carol lindley uh no i might be oh no no never mind it wasn't carol lindley yeah it wasn't rutger howard no it was hey you know what before the end of this show we'll do it at the end before the end of the show i gotta call my sister and tell you this rutger howard okay we'll let you do it fucking kill me let me get through

these names he was play a soldier in something yes a soldier of orange no not that one he was in something else god we listed 50 of those let me get through these names and we'll do it at the end she was a child model she was born in new york she had a not not a very long career in a good couple of auto preminger movies the Cardinal and Bunny Lake is missing. But she is in the Maltese Bippy, the Ronan Martin movie. Oh, boy. And she's in a movie I watched recently, which I just thought was terrible. And I love Jack Lemmon.

I saw her in a movie called Under the Yum Yum Tree, which is a sex comedy with Jack Lemmon and Paul lind and edie adams she's very good in it not a good movie but she had a short career like sue lion yes who died at 73 lolita ah um not a long career no no and with with james mason james mason and peter uh peter sellers is claire quilty yeah uh she's in a very good movie called The Flim Flam Man, which I will recommend to you, with George C. Scott. She's someone who left Hollywood and didn't look back and seemed to really have a very healthy life after being a performer. Yeah.

Yeah. Married five times. You mentioned people who got married a lot were on the list. She was 14 when she was cast as Lolita. They could not cast a 12-year-old, as was in the novel. The reason I was saying that before, there's that great letter that came out after she passed away that I guess she wrote. Yeah, to Kubrick. To Kubrick.

Yeah, I saw that online. Sort of wishing him well and looking back on the time they spent together. You just got a sense that this is someone who sort of had no regrets about that time and kind of had moved on with her life and like carolyn lee a very short career here's another medium cool reference verna bloom oh yeah you know that actress she's in after hours scorsese used her she's in the last temptation of christ she was married to jay cox the critic and and and scorsese's frequent collaborator um she's in the first movie directed by p Fonda Hired Hand and she uttered one of my wife's

favorite lines in the history of cinema which is in the Climax of Animal House she played Dean Wormer's wife right and she's the one that says you can take your

thumb out of my ass anytime now Carmine she was in High Plains Drifter she worked a lot Sylvia Miles Gilbert oh 94 jeez

on New York City Fixture. Geez. You must have met her. You must have run into her in your travels. Sylvia Miles was one of those people who whenever you went to any kind of New York event where they'd be serving free food or have like paparazzi around. She'd be there. You always saw her. She was one of those fixtures.

And who was her co-star in Midnight Cowboy? Midnight Cowboy, her co-star. Dustin Hopper. Oh, wait, wait. John MacGyver. He's setting you up. Yes. It's Crazy Daniel.

Yes. You're going to stroll back, Joe Buck. You're going to need it. You know he takes requests. I teed it up. I remember when she did one scene in Wall Street. Yeah, she's in the sequel, too. And she said in an interview because you know has seen stood out

so she said i play the bronson pincho character in beverly hills cop and the gilbert gottfried character in beverly hills cop 2 love it amazing love it she was the original sally rogers oh replaced by rosemary she's an evil under the sun she's in wall street she's in with with our friend peter regert she's in crossing delancey uh crossing delancey yeah terrific she's in she's she's in everything she had a long career i bet she was a great storyteller and yes she would have been a wonderful guest we didn't get to her uh last on my list here of actresses we lost, Julie Adams from Creature of the Black Lagoon. Oh, wow.

The former Miss Little Rock, Arkansas, moved to Hollywood at age 19. She wound up working with Elvis, with Charlton Heston, with Glenn Ford, with Jimmy Stewart, and being cast as the heroine in Creature from the Black Lagoon made her famous for decades. And she was married to Leonard Stern, who was the showrunner on Get Smart and created I'm Dickens, He's Fenster. And he also invented Mad Libs. Yes. Wow.

How's that for weird trivia? John Ashton and Marty Ingalls. Correct. Yeah. And Sylvia Miles, going back one, famously dumped a plate of food on the head of the critic John Simon in a restaurant when she got a bad review.

Match that, Robert. Did we mention the Death Wish writer? Is he in the next one? Brian Garfield? Brian Garfield. Did we have that for this year? No. That might have been 2018. Yeah.

No, no. I think he died this year. Rayburn, you want to handle that one? I got nothing on him, but we can mention him. While you're looking it up, I got to call my sister. Brian Garfield died December 29th, 2018. 18. So three days.

I covered him last year. I want to mention some music names quickly. Dr. John Leon Redbone, Rick Ocasek, the leader of the Cars, Dick Dale, the inventor of surf music, surf rock, Daryl Dragon of the Captain and Tennille, Jack Sheldon, the voice of Schoolhouse Rock,

I'm Just a Bill, we just passed away. He's the band leader on the Merv Griffin show. Hal Blaine from The Wrecking Crew. Michelle LeGron composed one of my favorite scores, The Thomas Crown Affair. Yep. God damn it, I love that movie.

Norman Jewison's still alive. We can't get him on the damn show. Best title sequence ever. Oh, it's fantastic. So great. With Dusty Spring show. Best title sequence ever. Oh, it's fantastic. So great. With Dusty Springfield. Andre Previn died. And, of course, Gilbert mentioned Peter Tork, who we also sadly did not get to and would have loved to talk to him. But we paid tribute to him many times when we had Mickey and Mike on the show.

Have I left anybody out? Carol channing carol channing let's talk about carol channing quickly gilbert's left the room but we'll talk about carol channing uh thoroughly modern millie oh yeah skidoo she's in skidoo we should have put her at the top of the list because she's in Skidoo. Yeah. Gentlemen Prefer Blondes on Broadway. What a career. What a career. Lived to 97. An icon of the American theater. I like what Bette Midler said about her.

My condolences to the world, to those who knew her and saw her, and to those who never got the chance. She was the first celebrity to perform at a Super Bowl halftime show. That's cool stuff. Gilbert, what do you got on Carol Channing? Carol Channing. Did you meet her? I did. Tell us about it.

I did. Your shirt wasn't Mario Cantone? Do we get an impression? His dead-on impression of... One time on the Comedy Awards, On the comedy awards, George Slaughter thought it would be funny to have just me and Carol Channing on stage together. Just talking to each other. They wrote some funny thing together.

Do you have this? Yeah, I'm sure it could be looked up. Let's get it from George. You know, maybe we could find that it's just you and carol channing yeah just me and carol channing wow i don't know what to say about that and you want to hear what a dipshit i am go on majorly dipshit i i asked my sister i said what's the movie that you fell in love with, Rutger Hauer. And of course, the first movie I mentioned, Blade Runner. And that was it. But he was good in that.

At least she picked up the phone. We basically have to start the podcast episode over now. Yes! Start over. Go back to the beginning. Before we wrap this up here. I got one more. Go ahead, go.

Franco Zeffirelli. Oh, we forgot Franco Zeffirelli. Well, he worked with Gilbert's favorite with Olivia Hussey. Oh! Who has a crush on Gilbert. Yes! Did you see that movie in the theater? Like, how old were you when you saw Olivia Hussey? I was a kid! Yeah. That was a big deal.

I saw it in high school. That was! They played it in high school and everyone was like... Well, that's the best Romeo and Juliet movie, isn't it? And there have been many he worked with antonioni he worked with the sika he had a he had a big career he's a big career on the stage and directing operas here's a crazy fact and surprisingly judy franco zeffirelli who knew what you've learned so much by the way he was a blood relative of Leonardo da Vinci. No. Wow. Yes. Wow.

We started with a blood relative of Napoleon Bonaparte, and we ended with a blood relative of Leonardo da Vinci. The show has come full circle. One of only eight Italians to be nominated for Best Director. Oh, wow. I wonder how many I can name. Let's try. Well, Scorsese.

No, no, no. Like, from Italy. Oh, I thought you meant Italian-Americans. No, Scorsese. No, no, no. Like, from Italy. Oh, I thought you meant Italian-Americans. No, not Italian-Americans. Oh, well, then Visconti. Yes. Bertolucci. Wait, no, Visconti was not.

Okay, Bertolucci, and he won for The Last Emperor. Chico Marx. Chico Marx. Fellini. Yes. De Sica. No. Oh, shit.

Italian-Italians? Italian-Italians. How about Carlo Ponti? yes uh uh desica no oh shit uh italian italians italian how about um uh carlo ponte uh sylvia sophia lorenz husband nope son of a bitch i'm doing badly here antonioni yes uh i'm out i'm out of italians roberto benigni yes uh giulo pi! Yes. Gillo Pontecorvo. Okay. What about Rossellini? Ingmar Bergman's husband. Pietro, I don't know how to pronounce it, Jeremy, divorce Italian style. Yeah. Good movie. And Lena Wertmuller. Oh, Lena Wertmuller. Right. Yeah. See the sexist

in me? I don't even think of a woman. She did seven beauties. Yes, and swept away. And now that actor I thought of having on the show. He's hilarious. Giancarlo Giannini? Yes. I don't think his English is very good.

Yes, see, that's what you said to me. Somebody bitched me charo last week. I questioned you. I said, you should get him on the show. And you said, does he speak English? Because that could be a problem. You have pitched me several people who don't speak English. Including, famously, Papillon Susu.

She's out there. Who keeps coming up. Yes. She's out there. These are quick names. Sid Haig, Spider Baby. Sid Haig. Horror legend.

Yeah, and Spider Baby. Jackie Brown. He said that he once went into Lon Chaney Jr.'s room and he said, they're calling for you on the set Mr. Chaney and and Chaney got mad at him and said hey we're working together you don't call me Mr. Chaney I call you Sid you call me Lon how about that wow how about that by the way Sid Haig turned down the Marcellus Wallace role in Pulp Fiction. You are good, buddy. That was, Tarantino wrote it for him. Oh.

He turned it down and it went to Ving Rhames instead. And then I guess sort of as a do-over, he ended up with a smaller part. He's in Jackie Brown. He's in Kill Bill too. But. Yeah, yeah, Tarantino used him. David Hedison died, Gilbert. The fly. 92, he was the fly in 1958 opposite Vincent Price. He was the Fly in 1958, opposite Vincent Price.

He was the star with Richard Beisart. Help me! Help me! Help me! Very good. Also Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea with Richard Beisart. And I think Vincent Price has a line in The Fly where he goes, he's got the murderous, bloodthirsty mind of a fly.

And I thought, a fly? Is that really vicious? They seem pretty docile. He also played Felix Leiter in a couple of Bond films. Right. David Hedison in Live and Let Die and License to Kill. Here's a music guest and a comedy guest. The unofficial Python, the seventh, I guess he was the, how many Pythons were there?

Seven or eight? He was the unofficial member. I've lost track. And a brilliant satirist, Neil Innes. Creator of the Ruttles with Eric Idle. Scotty Bauer, somebody Gilbert pitched forever. Ah, yes. The Hollywood's male madam.

Yes. To the stars. Wrote that infamous tell-all book. Full service. Full service. But that documentary came out last year. Scotty Bowers and the Secret History of Hollywood. And the documentary is phenomenal.

Yes. It was 96. Gilbert and Gino pitched him endlessly. Beverly Owen, the original Marilyn Munster, who was later replaced by Pat Priest, was eulogized online by Butch Patrick. Here's a name, Mr. Weber. Do you know the name Carmine Caridi? Yes.

Gilbert knows who he is. Yes, Carmine Caridi used to hang out at Catch a Rising Star. He was supposed to be Sonny Corleone. Yeah. But he was too tall to act opposite Pacino. Oh, my God. And James Conn was cast. And I think they said it drove him a little crazy, because he was a little crazy.

He played one of the Rosado brothers. Coppola threw him a bone and let him play one of the Rosado brothers. He played Carmine Rosado. You guys talked about this on the Danny Aiello episode. We did. In Godfather 2. He's also in Godfather 3 as Albert Volpe. And he's also in a movie that's a favorite of mine that we talked about on this show

with a former guest. And that's Prince of the City. Yes, he's in Prince of the City. He's in Ruby. Love that movie. He's in Bugsy. He's in The In-Laws. He did a lot of stuff.

Look him up. you'll recognize him you'll say oh that guy and last but not least on this short list michael j pollard who you brought up before who has something in common with gilbert okay and what is that i i was when i was taken out of this horrible film called another you that was the last of the gene weiler richard pryor and they got rid of they got rid of the director first and then a few of the cast and scraped old previously shot footage reshot it and i was replaced with michael j pollard yeah wow i thought they'd replace me with rob blow or something that wasn't even the thing i was thinking of you both played a famous superman villain mrs picklick we both played

mrs picklick me and michael j pollard and oh no no it's the penguin that paul williams always played the penguin so by the way to really bring this all the way back around go ahead michael j pollard was supposed to be the lead in brewster mcleod and then robert altman came on the picture and wanted bud court instead there you go not sure it would have made a difference no yeah pretty pretty out there he's one of those 70s actors he's one of those guys that sort of defines 70s cinema yes he didn't really make it into the 80s as as much of as much of a presence but but well bonnie and clyde was made in the 60s but you know little faust and big halsey and and a lot of those pictures um he was one of those actors that every single person you could show him a picture and they'll go oh that guy he was

the original hugo peabody in Bye Bye Birdie. He was in the original Star Trek. He was Barney Fife's cousin Virgil on The Andy Griffith Show. I remember that one. I remember that one because he was the fuck-up cousin. That's right. He was the fuck-up cousin. I'm out of bullets, gentlemen, unless there's anybody else.

Of course there's plenty of people that we forgot. Peter Mayhew. Chewbacca. Oh, Chewbacca died, of course. Oh, that's right. And Big Bird. Carol Spinney. These are all...

Oh, I met him because I did an episode of Sesame Street. There you go. Jan Michael Vincent. Mario's favorite. Mario's crush. Oh, my God. Luke Perry. Luke Perry.

That was sad. And too young. Lee Mendelsohn, who produced The Charlie Brown Christmas and died on Christmas Day. Jan Michael Vinson once said, he goes, I lived too long. He goes, if I had died years ago, I'd be remembered like James Dean. And he would have been. He was this handsome young actor and he was going to be big.

And it looked like he was going to be the next big thing. And oh God, that was horrible. He had a sad life. One more. In the end, go ahead. Wings of Desire. Bruno Gans.

Bruno Gans. Yeah, in Downfall. Yes. He played maybe the best Hitler on screen except for Gilbert in the Jeff Rossfall. Yes. He played maybe the best Hitler on screen, except for Gilbert in the Jeff Ross roast. Yes. We named a lot of people, and it's one of the reasons we do this show,

is so that people can remember these great performers. And I always think of that line at the end of Radio Days, which is one of my favorite movies, where he says what he says about the old stars of radio days where which is one of my favorite movies uh where he says every what he says about the old stars of radio every year their voices get a little bit more distant so that's why you guys do the show it's one of the reasons we do the show we you know i talked about this last time i was here but everything we do now that we make tv films anything there there's no there's nothing now without everything that came then. Of course. Of course. And, you know, we wish we could have gotten some of these people here to

talk to them, but I'm gratified by the people we've had. You know, we're coming up on 300 shows, and I can't believe we've talked to 300. Gilbert thought we would do this for six weeks. Oh, yeah. Yes. After the first show, I said well we tried yeah and and i i always remember like you know we had on will jordan and he was thrilled to be on the show he told everyone he's thrilled and then i visited him in the hospital and he couldn't believe that i would be make the trouble of visiting him and i thought you know with just that story alone i thought this is the reason we do the podcast to tell these people thank you we remember you and bill macy how proud he was to be on the show that he kept begging us for a link so we could send it to everybody and all the people he knew and his poker buddies.

To performers who are late in life and have been mostly forgotten, it's a nice pick-me-up for them, I think. It's a nice reminder that they're still important, certainly to us. The first time Bill Macy almost died, he was in the hospital and he called us because he wanted to play the the interview for all the doctors and nurses we'll save it we're gonna we're gonna do a special patreon episode uh for for our patrons uh where we talk about the uh the people that we did have on the show that we lost this year uh so we'll do that and and michael's gonna stick around for that. Thank you guys for having me. It was a blast. Thanks, Dan Spaventa. Thanks, Stephen Varley.

I'll tell you who's not dead and who's in the room, the late Rayburn. No, he died. There's a vulture nibbling at his inside. He gets memorialized every episode. I realize that's true. You're memorialized in every single podcast episode. There are... He is a minor internet celebrity.

There are maggots crawling through his eyes right now. You know what? This show had... It takes six months to watch all the things. You're not on a mic.

Nobody can hear you. Are you still looking up Rutger Hauer films? I am. Paul, we love you. Thank you, guys. Thank you, Sirius. Thank you, Starburns.

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