Gilbert Gottfried's Amazing Colossal Podcast - In Memoriam 2021 Part 2
Episode Date: February 14, 2022In part 2 of their annual In Memoriam episode, Oscar-nominated screenwriter Michael H. Weber joins Gilbert and Frank for a fond look back at the lives and careers of Norm MacDonald, Sidney Poitier, St...ephen Sondheim, Lina Wertmuller and Betty White as well as GGACP guests Ed Asner, Sonny Fox, Gavin MacLeod, Michael Nesmith and Bob Saget. Also in this episode: Cloris Leachman crushes on John Stamos, Joan Micklin Silver directs a "thinking man's" rom-com, Anne Beatts becomes the first female editor of National Lampoon and Allan Burns creates Cap'n Crunch and "My Mother the Car." PLUS: Cousin Itt! Hermey the Elf! The screenplays of Walter Bernstein! The musical stylings of Leslie Bricusse! Paul Mooney writes a classic SNL sketch! And the boys remember character actors Michael Constantine, Arlene Golonka, Gregory Sierra and Clarence Williams III! Start hiring RIGHT NOW with a SEVENTY-FIVE DOLLAR SPONSORED JOB CREDIT to upgrade your job post at Indeed.com/GILBERT. Offer valid through March 31st. Visit athleticgreens.com/GILBERT for a FREE 1 year supply of immune-supporting Vitamin D AND 5 FREE travel packs with your first purchase. Take ownership over your health and pick up the ultimate daily nutritional insurance! Shop now at solostove.com and get up to 30% off fire pits all month long, AND use promo code GILBERT at checkout to get an extra $10 off. Plus a lifetime warranty and FREE 30-day returns. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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It's sad, not to segue, but in some ways I always think of that episode and the Sonny Fox episode as being the kind of iconic episodes of this podcast.
Thank you for saying.
And now you made a segue because I've got them on the same card.
Sonny Fox, another Brooklyn kid from Parkville, Gil. And now you made a segue because I've got them on the same card.
Sonny Fox, another Brooklyn kid from Parkville, Gil.
And with Sonny Fox, when he was coming, you know, of course, he had Wonderama, which was a really big kid show.
And I was expecting with Sonny Fox, oh, it'll be a cute interview.
He'll talk about, you know, funny stories with kids.
And he went into a whole story about being his army troop being held prisoner by the Nazis.
Yeah, they were.
He was captured in the Battle of the Bulge.
Yeah.
And it's a story i think it was this something ed edward robbie or roddy edmunds roddy edmunds yes yep yep and they said he said um that they were like about
with including him there were about four jews in that, and certainly Ronnie Edmonds wasn't Jewish.
And the Nazi officer said,
tomorrow we'll be taking you out of the train car,
and we want all the Jews to fall out of line.
And this Edmonds said to the troop,
everybody fall out of line.
It's like a Spartacus moment.
Yes.
And then the Nazi got really pissed
and I think he held a gun to this guy's head
and he said to the Nazi officer,
all of us are Jewish.
Yes.
And it was, I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
Well, as Gilbert said, we just thought we were going to do this light show about TV,
about growing up on Wunderama and TV kids shows, kids shows in New York. And he hosted game shows.
We thought it was going to be a lightweight episode, a romp. And it took a turn. And he was,
And it took a turn.
And he got very choked up when he started talking about the liberation.
When the camp was liberated, he cried.
You get attached to people sometimes who do the show.
Some people come in and they go and you say, well, that was pleasant and we enjoyed knowing them.
And then obviously we've done 400 of these with maybe 370 or so different people.
We, you know, there was an attachment formed with us and Ron and Jessica, and so too with Sonny, who we stayed in touch with. And I remember Sonny one time calling the house.
Yeah.
And he asked, when is my episode going to be on?
And we said, a couple of months.
And he said, could you run it sooner?
I'm in my 90s.
We stayed in touch with him.
Thank you to our friend Randy Bucknoff, too, for that, for helping to book Sonny and also for allowing us to stay in touch with him and bringing him into our lives.
And a shout out to Frankie Verderosa, who made that Ron and Jessica episode happen.
We'd like to give thanks and credit where it's due.
We love those people.
And big losses for us.
Yeah.
A couple of more podcast guests, as long as I'm getting emotional here.
Here's three people from the same television show, which was a very important television
show in my childhood, the Mary Tyler Moore Show.
Strangely, we lost Ed Asner, Gavin McLeod, and Cloris Leachman all inside of a couple
of months.
Two of them that we were lucky enough to book, and Ed and Gavin and Cloris evaded us somehow,
although I think Gilbert worked with her.
Yes.
On Bob's roast.
Yeah.
And I remember on the roast when Cloris Leachman got up and she said,
I'm sorry if I don't know anyone on the dais.
All I do nowadays is watch TV, go to the movies, and read magazines.
I am not here to roast Bob Saget.
I'm here to fuck John Stamos. You heard me, pretty boy.
I'm going to strap on my Oscar and take you right there in that filthy beanbag chair.
Sorry, that's John Lovitz.
Stamos, you shouldn't talk so much.
Your mouth is canceling out all the hard work your ass is doing.
If you play your cards right, I'll do something no woman has ever done to you.
Put you in the movies.
I don't know who any of you people is.
Maybe that's because I watch TV and go to the movies and read the trades.
I have vibrators older than most of you.
The difference is my vibrators still work. She gave it to you guys good
Another person who did not take herself seriously
A great sense of humor
And since we talked about the last picture show
I mean there's her
There's one of her shining moments
I met her a few years ago
Her daughter brought her to a
screening of Disaster Artist
and she stuck around afterwards
and she was so kind
to all of us who made the movie
and just talking to us about it
and how she appreciated it.
It meant a lot to us.
How nice. And I heard a
story that she and Tony Randall were together in something.
And Tony Randall goes into the makeup room where Cloris is getting made up.
And Tony just recites, I bit off her clitoris and she became Cloris.
Wow.
I think maybe that movie was Scavenger Hunt.
Last picture show, the Mel Brooks stuff, Young Frankenstein.
What character did she play in Young Frankenstein, Gil?
Do you remember?
Was it Frau Blucher?
Ah, close enough.
Yeah.
Blucher.
Frau Blucher.
High Anxiety as Nurse Diesel.
Oh, she was very funny.
Really?
I think she won eight Emmys.
Do I have that right, Mike?
That sounds right.
She went to Northwestern University with podcast guest Charlotte Ray and Paul Lind.
There you go.
Oh, jeez.
Studied with Ilya Kazan.
Is in that memorable Twilight Zone episode, Gilbert, with Billy Moomy.
She's in It's a Good Life.
Oh, wow.
And I will direct people to a memorable episode of The Office with Jack Black and Cloris Leachman.
Google it.
Watch it.
I remember that.
It's truly, truly funny and brilliant.
She really could do anything.
She was 94.
I'm sorry that we didn't pull it together.
We tried.
Gavin McCloud was 90 uh we first approached him i think or
saw gavin or met gavin at chiller when you were signing autographs do you remember gilbert yes i
was sitting uh my table was right across from his and and i remember i had to desperately pee. But I thought, this guy's almost 100, and he hasn't peed so far.
So I have to hold him.
He was, and we almost booked him then.
Something happened.
We came back to him a couple years later.
He was, I think, Stuart Hirsch, our pal, helped us with that one.
What a joy he was.
You know, we had some trepidation because he was a very religious man, and we thought, oh, is he right for this show?
Is he going to get offended?
You know, he was playful.
We teased him about being big chicken.
Yes.
On Hawaii Five-0.
But Mike Sinema, you know, he's in Operation Petticoat.
He's in Sand Pebbles with Steve McQueen, Robert Wise picture.
He's in Kelly's Heroes.
Relisten to that episode.
That is a sweet episode.
It's probably in my top five or top ten.
And that's the episode where.
Gentle guy.
Yeah.
If you don't know, if you've never met Gavin McLeod, just watch The Love Boat.
And that's him.
That's him exactly.
He's Captain Stubing.
He's like this friendly, loving guy.
He's a sweetheart of a guy.
And I just loved
and i got to stay in touch with him you know you get the people's emails i send out an email to
get the release for him i stay in touch i get a little dialogue going i got a correspondence going
with with gavin he was such a pleasure um and ed asner uh left us at 91 and what can we say about
ed asner Another gigantic career.
Yes.
On small screen and big screen.
Yeah, he worked in a movie with John Wayne.
You bet.
And Paul Newman.
He's in For Apache, the Bronx.
And I remember getting back to Gavin.
After we were both going home from the autograph show,
he came over and hugged me.
How sweet. Yeah. You came over and hugged me. How sweet.
Yeah.
You never told me that.
Yeah.
A lovely, lovely guy.
We really enjoyed meeting him.
Now, Ed was a funny story.
And Doc called.
Yeah, we had Bernie Coppell call up in that episode, Dr. Bricker.
That was fun.
I love that show.
And I think we had Barbara Felden call in during the Bernie Coppell episode.
Yes.
Now, Ed Asner,
we had a funny incident. We were recording in Gilbert's house in those days.
Dara would hook up a recording device.
We would sit it on the kitchen table.
And Ed was
just raring
to go at the beginning of the episode.
He was calling Gilbert an idiot. It was wonderful.
Yes. He was
irascible and cantankerous
and taking no shit.
And then Gilbert tripped
over the wire.
Oh, God. He tripped over the
ethernet cord and we disconnected him
about 20 minutes into the show.
And it took us about
40 minutes to figure out how to get him back.
And
something had happened.
Yes.
And I don't think his family would mind me telling this.
He was an older gentleman.
You know, when he got back on the line,
and maybe it has to do with something with aging and the time of day,
he got back on the line for part two of the show,
and he wasn't as sharp.
No.
No.
No.
Yeah, when he first came on, he was joking and quick and everything.
And then it was like when we got him back on, it's like, wait, we want the other Ed Asner.
Yes, something happened.
And yet I bring this up because he rallied.
You know, I thought, well, maybe we should cut it off here and rearrange this and
do this another day. The guy was a pro.
The guy was a pro when the lights went on.
Seven Emmy, more
than any other male actor.
He had a big voice acting career.
Versatile, great
in comedies, in drama.
Heartbreaking in Up.
Oh, amazing.
God, yes. You know. Aided,ided what's mentioned mike giacchino's
score too uh and and and an activist you know a guy who who who walked the walk you know the and
his activism cost him that probably cost him his biggest part which was the lou grant series
uh gill you never worked with him, did you?
No.
You might be in one of those little something Gilberts with him.
You might be in one of those little Christmas movies or TV movies or an animated thing.
I think he reprised his role in Elf, in the cartoon Elf.
So I was in that.
What was the name of that thing?
Buddy the Elf or something?
Buddy the Elf.
And this is something in my career with little people.
I replaced...
That's my revenge
against Billy Barty
taking a part for me.
I took a part for Peter Dinklage.
He played
that in the movie.
And I played it in the cartoon.
Ed was a
wonderful character, and at The View a couple
years ago, I went up to him and I
said, I'll bet you don't remember being in a TV
movie with the Mod Squad actor Michael
Cole. Before I could get the thing
out of my mouth, he said, The Last Child.
He
was in his 80s, and
he had a memory
of every part that he ever played.
He did a lot of good for a lot of people,
and he was beloved by a lot of
people. And we were
really so thrilled to have him. He was one of
those guests that gave us credibility
in the early days. Let's talk about two other people associated with the Mary Tyler Moore Show, behind-the-scenes people.
Quickly, Alan Burns, who co-created that show with Jim Brooks.
What a bad year for the Mary Tyler Moore Show.
Oh, man.
Passed away.
Alan Burns was a comedy writing legend.
He died back in January of 2021.
He worked for Jay Ward. He was a writer on the Bull He died back in January of 2021. He worked for Jay Ward.
He was a writer on the Bullwinkle cartoons.
Oh, man.
He wrote George of the Jungle and Dudley Do-Right.
And when Quaker Mills hired Jay Ward Productions out to help them with some serial promotion, he created Cap'n Crunch.
Wow. He created Cap'n Crunch. Wow.
He did everything.
He created
My Mother the Car.
He was a writer on He and She,
Richard Benjamin and Paul Apprentice's show,
and Get Smart.
He wrote that movie
A Little Romance.
Oscar nominated for it.
Yeah, with Olivier and young Diane Lane.
Yeah.
Room 22.
The story
goes that the Mary Tyler Moore show
got to start writing greeting cards
by the way. Gilbert, you'll love this.
Grant Tinker gave him
and Jim Brooks
a shot, really. The rest is history
to create that wonderful series.
But he claimed they took a meeting at CBS and an executive, not Tinker, said, listen, there are four things audiences, American audiences won't tolerate.
Divorce, New Yorkers, Jews, and men with mustaches.
So they had to move her to Minneapolis.
They had to say she wasn't divorced.
Alan Burns, if you look up Alan Burns' career, I mean, and the Duck Factory, the Jim Carrey show, was his show.
He had a wonderful career.
He did a lot of interesting things.
things. And Jay Sandrich, iconic TV director, we lost, a legend, directed 119 episodes of the Mary Tyler Moore Show and was a legend. And we tried to get him too with the help of our friend
John Marcus. Jay was in bad health. Directed Cotter, Soap, Night Court, The Bob Newhart Show,
The Odd Couple, That Girl, Get Smart, He and She, on and on uh what stories these guys could have told
but that's six key people um i didn't uh one two three four five i didn't mention betty white
uh from the mary tyler moore show to pass away and let she and and and well yeah betty white
also passed in uh in uh in 2021 let's talk about betty g Gilbert. Did you ever work with the great Betty White or meet her?
Yeah, I was next to her in one episode
or like a week of Hollywood Squares.
How did you get along with her?
Oh, I think I did something.
Did she like you?
Oh, I think I did something.
Did she like you?
When they called me, I did something like I spit out some water or something.
And she said, oh, I love intelligent comedy.
There you go.
She zinged you.
She zinged you. She zinged you.
She roasted you.
What can you say?
What can we say about this woman, this national treasure that hasn't already been said?
Mike, it's like I was saying to you on the phone.
It's like her entire adult life encompasses the history of television.
Crazy. She was on television at
age 17 in 1939.
She had a variety show
in the 40s. She worked on a variety show in the
40s. She had a sitcom in the 50s.
The Betty White show later. I mean
and then the Happy Homemaker.
But you know
again one of those careers that kind of waxed
and waned with the decades
but once
that Mary Tyler Moore show
that Sue Ann Niffin's character
and then I guess later the Golden Girls
boy she never looked back
I thought it was
interesting on Golden Girls
the
creators of the show originally wanted her
to play Blanche.
Yeah, Susan Harris, yeah.
And Rue McClanahan was going to play Rose.
And I guess then they realized that both of those roles
were too similar to roles they had done earlier
because the Blanche role was sort of like a Sue Ann Nivens type.
like a Sue Ann Nivens type.
And Vivian on Maud,
who Rue McClanahan had played,
was too close.
So they switched right before.
And then that's how they ended up playing the roles they played
in Golden Girls.
She was never bad in anything.
And how many people have
three hit sitcoms in a career?
Do you remember the Betty White show, Gilbert,
where she was the stunt, the actress and the stunt?
She was she was married to John Hillerman.
Do you remember that show on CBS?
Short lived, short lived.
Hollywood Reporter said she was as important as she was beloved.
I mean, a champion of gay rights.
Obviously, her work with animals made her a hero to millions of people.
I saw a photo recently
of her hugging a bear.
And the bear looks like it's 10 times her size.
This is a bear who, if it was in a cage,
you'd run away.
Wow.
And she's hugging it.
She passed in her sleep at 99 on New Year's Eve,
which again, if that's the way you have to go.
It's hard to eulogize these people.
It's hard to sum up Betty White in three minutes,
in five minutes.
I mean, this is a lifetime of work.
This is a lifetime of love.
Quick story.
I was working on the Joy Behar show.
She was in the green room.
I said to my friend, Evan Cutler, I said, let's go talk to Betty, which I didn't make a habit of with the guests.
I did it if I knew somebody like Shanling, but I didn't do it a lot.
And there's a favorite episode of mine.
The episode where she throws the party, that Mary throws the party and Sue Ann cooks for her.
Henry Winkler shows up.
Yes, yes.
And it's the one where she makes the veal prince orloff,
and Lou Grant takes too many servings.
He takes like half the servings on the platter.
Yeah, and then he puts it back.
Correct.
So I introduced myself to her, and I said, Betty, can I ask you a question?
And she said, sure.
And I said, what happens to veal prince orloff when you leave him in a 360-degree oven?
And without missing a beat, she said, he dies.
And that was her character's dialogue, which I tweeted when she passed.
A lovely little memory.
And again, you cannot sum these people up quickly.
I want to talk about a couple of character actors.
Four great character actors remembered from television, Gilbert.
Okay.
Michael Constantine from Room 22.
Oh, yes.
Who won an Emmy for playing that part,
also created by Jim Brooks.
Gino's fave.
My Big Fat Greek Wedding, right?
He became a movie star later in life.
He's in The Hustler.
Million TV Shows,
a great odd couple episode.
Felix Silla,
since Gilbert brought up little people.
Do you know that name, Mr. Weber?
No.
He was Cousin It on the Addams Family TV series.
But he was also Twicky on Buck Rogers in the 25th century.
Born in Italy, he was a tumbler and a trapeze artist.
And he's in the Hindenburg, but he's also in the Blackbird, Gilbert,
as a mini Hitler.
Oh.
Felix Silla, who I believe Gino knew.
Clarence Williams III.
We were speaking of the Mod Squad.
Yes.
A bit ago, and Twin Peaks.
Born in Harlem, New Yorker.
Mike, in the movies Purple Rain, 52 Pickup.
Right.
Half Baked. And in series like Everybody Hates Chris and Deep Space Nine. But will forever be known as Link Hayes.
Yeah.
From the Mod Squad. And somebody, Gilbert, really wanted to get on the show and we tried Gregory Sierra.
Yes.
Passed away at 83.
Chano on Barney Miller.
Yeah.
El Puerco on Soap.
He was the revolutionary.
Julio, of course, on Sanford and Son, famous all in the family.
He was always going, meet the Sanford.
He played that Jewish radical on that All in the Family episode. Yes, another one of those episodes that ends without the theme song at the end.
That's right.
That's right, where they blow up his car.
Also, Mod Squad Kung Fu.
McCloud, he's in Papillon.
He's in Beneath the Planet of the Apes.
He's in The Towering Inferno.
Actor with a lot of credits. Probably a great storyteller. He's in Beneath the Planet of the Apes. He's in The Towering Inferno.
Actor with a lot of credits.
Probably a great storyteller.
Passed at 83.
Always great with accents and funny voices.
Funny man.
Funny man. Anybody on your list that you want to bring up, Mike?
Filmmakers, screenwriters, you want to talk a little bit about?
Let's talk about Joan Micklin Silver.
Please do.
She made one of Gilbert's favorite movies.
She was a trailblazer.
I mean, it's Hester Street, Crossing Delancey,
Head Over Heels, or Chilly Scenes of Winter.
Yes.
Yeah.
I mean, the story of how Hester street got made it's just unbelievable
that that i mean basically her and her husband had to kind of raise the money and and and finance
produced of distributed all on their own because no one believed in this movie yeah uh so they made
it on such a shoestring budget and it went on to be a big indie hit.
Chili Scenes of Winter is a good film.
Yes.
Two, yeah.
And then Finnegan Begin Again, which is one of the first HBO movies.
You bet, with Robert Preston and Mary Tyler Moore.
That's a terrific little movie.
And she made the Pickleman movie, Gilbert.
Yes, Crossing Delancey.
She made the Pickleman movie, Gilbert.
Yes, Crossing Delancey.
That's one of those movies where you could say,
that's actually a good romantic comedy.
It's a thinking man's romantic comedy.
Yeah, it's not one of those like, well, I remember I think Jennifer Aniston said
that most romantic comedies are about the,
oh, I don't know, like about the...
Oh, the gimmick or the hook.
The gimmick, yeah, like something like that.
It was about the scheme.
Yeah, or the trailer moments.
Yeah, it's about the scheme.
You know, it's like two people pretending they're married or two, you know, it's always something.
I know a guy who wrote a good romantic comedy that isn't about the hook or the scheme.
We're looking at 500 days of summer.
That was, you know, we were always saying we didn't we wanted to resist the urge to make this about that sort of, oh, someone's trying to get one over on someone else.
Paying someone to pose as their boyfriend at a wedding.
Yes, yes.
Yeah, yeah.
You succeeded, my friend.
Whenever a couple is pretending, when they're not a couple and they're pretending, it could be two guys pretending they're married or anything.
It could be two guys pretending they're married or two anything.
They're always in a situation where they're at a party or something and everyone starts chanting, kiss, kiss, kiss.
That scene in what's the one with Cameron Diaz where they all where they all break out into song at the wedding rehearsal?
My girlfriend's... What's the name of that thing?
My best friend's wedding.
Wedding.
My best friend's wedding.
Yeah.
Or something like that.
Yeah, it's a few of the sweetest thing.
She made a bunch of...
That was horrible.
There's a bunch of them.
Thank you for writing 500 Days of Summer and not being slavish to any of those ridiculous tropes.
I thank you as a moviegoer.
I love a movie that
Joan Micklin-Silver made
Between the Lines.
With John Heard and Jeff Goldblum.
Yeah, she had a great career and she's the
mother-in-law of podcast
guest Ken Kwapis.
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Filmmakers, talk a little bit about the great Walter Bernstein.
Oh, yeah.
Who left us at 101.
Oh, I mean.
One of the great screenwriters.
We could do a whole podcast just on his life and career.
We could. You know, famous for, you know, he was one of the top screenwriters. We could do a whole podcast just on his life and career. We could.
Famous for, you know, he was one of the top screenwriters when his career was derailed by the blacklist.
Correct.
He wrote Fail Safe, Gil, for Sidney Lumet.
Oh.
Yeah.
And then famously, much later, wrote The Front which was based on on his own experience
when he would have to send people in meetings to pretend to be him um woody allen and zero mustel
yeah yeah martin directed by martin red everybody involved in that film was a was a blacklisted
person except for woody right right yeah he wrote, he wrote Paris Blues, The Molly Maguires.
Apparently, he did an uncredited rewrite on All the King's Men. Really just an incredible life
and someone who's considered a hero to writers everywhere. Yeah, semi-tough, The Molly Maguires.
I never had the honor of meeting him. No, me either. Also, heemi-tough. The Molly Maguires. I never had the honor
of meeting him. No, me either.
Also, he refused to name anyone, too.
He could have and didn't.
Yeah, yeah.
Another brave person. As long as we're talking
about prolific writers.
Larry McMurtry.
Oh.
29 novels.
A Pulitzer Prize, Brokeback
Mountain, Hud, Gilbert.
A movie you like,
Last Picture Show, again, keeps
coming up. Lonesome Dove.
Lonesome Dove, Terms of Endearment,
Texas Phil,
and Evening Star, sequels
to those movies. What
an original and what a prolific
writer
left us in 2021.
Quickly, two comedy writers.
Gilbert, maybe you crossed paths
with these people.
I did.
Anne Beetz,
the original Saturday Night Live writer,
two-time Emmy winner,
a comedy writing legend,
the first female editor
at the National Lampoon,
creator or co-creator
with her partner, Rosie Schuster, of characters like Erwin Mainway and Uncle Roy, Buck Henry's
sleazy character, Lisa Lupner, Dan Aykroyd's wonderful Fred Garvin male prostitute.
She created the show Square Pegs, which was a terrific ahead-of-its-time show.
She dated and lived with the legendary Michael O'Donoghue.
She wrote the very famous Volkswagen ad in National Lampoon.
If Ted Kennedy were driving a Volkswagen, he'd be president today.
She was wonderful and a mentor to a lot of people.
We had the same manager briefly, the late, great Barry Secunda.
And Tony Hendra,
speaking of the National Lampoon, also from the Cambridge Footlights, where he worked with John Cleese and Graham Chapman, wound up working at the Lampoon, wrote and directed Lemmings,
the Lampoon stage show that introduced the world at large
to Chaffee Chase and Christopher Guest and John Belushi,
and of course famous for playing Ian Faith,
the Spinal Taps manager,
in a movie that Gilbert has never seen.
Yes.
Tony had his demons, which were well publicized, but we wanted to acknowledge his contributions to comedy and Anne's as well.
Do you want to talk about Mr. Poitier, Michael?
Oh, my God.
Where do you start?
Again, where do you start?
you start? I mean, where do you start? Oh, I, I, I'll just, let me just list some of the, the, the iconic movies, um, to serve with love in the heat of the night. Guess who's coming to dinner,
the defiant ones, sneakers, a raisin in the sun. I mean, uh, lilies of the field,
lilies of the field, and, and, you know, not just a legendary actor, but, uh, an incredible human being, a towering figure in the civil rights movement. I mean, just
what a life. A guy who didn't have it easy, as we pointed out on the Mark Harris episode.
Yeah. Mark's book, Pictures at a Revolution, a huge chunk of that book is dedicated to
Guess Who's Coming to Dinner and The Heat of the Night.
So there's so many incredible stories in that book.
It's worth checking out.
And then he became a director.
Right, right.
And made comedies like Silverstreak.
Not Silverstreak.
Excuse me.
Stir Crazy.
Oh, God, I did it again.
Let me take that back.
Oh, God, I did it again.
Let me take that back.
He was the best man at Marty Allen's wedding.
How about that?
That's a weird trivia. Out of everything Sidney Poitier has done, that to me is the most amazing.
And he told a story, too, that he was working as a busboy.
That's a beautiful story.
Yeah. And this old Jewish waiter comes over, hands him a newspaper and said, what's in the news?
And he had to confess that he couldn't read.
And this old Jewish waiter at the end of the workday would stay there with him every night and teach him how to
read. And that's how he learned. I read in the, in his obituary in the times when he came to New York
to pursue acting, he initially was sleeping at the bus station. He had nowhere else to go.
He had nothing. Wow. What a a what a wonderful contribution and a and a
wonderful uh a beautifully led life and then again you like betty white there wasn't anybody that
didn't love sydney poitier no and and i heard like well originally he auditioned for like
a black theater group and that's when he couldn't read so they didn't have him and then he got into
actor studio and he was in a class with tony curtis and walter mathau how about and he said
he finally felt like he fit in because he said the two of them were misfits and he was a misfit. Wow.
What a legacy, huh?
Yes.
And of course the Defiant Ones.
Yeah, which Mike mentioned.
And had we had Sidney Poitier
on, I could have asked him
about Lon Chaney Jr.
There you go.
I don't think Sidney ever did a podcast.
That was a tall order.
I didn't try to scale that mountain.
This is crazy.
With his passing,
none of the best actor winners of the 1960s are still alive.
Wow.
Ooh.
So the farthest back best actor winner, not the oldest, but the farthest back who's still alive is 1971, Gene Hackman.
How about that?
How about that?
When did Lee Grant win her Oscar?
She's still around.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, I don't know about the best actress.
Oh, it's best actor. Yeah. Well, yeah, I don't know about the best actress. Oh, it's best actor.
Yeah, best actor.
Let me read some other names, and then we'll get to some people that were close to us.
Briefly in music, we never cover music because we run out of time and we can't make three episodes here.
But Charlie Watts from The Stones, great Don Everly of the Everly Brothers.
These are all big losses.
Mary Wilson of The Supremes.
These are people we'd have loved to have talked to.
B.J. Thomas, who recorded Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head
after Bob Dylan supposedly rejected it.
The infamous Phil Spector and Ronnie Spector.
Jerry Marsden Gilbert, Jerry of the Pacemakers, right?
Ferry Cross the Mersey.
Sondheim, we're not even
going to attempt to cover.
Oh my God.
That's an entire, like Poitier
or that's a whole other episode.
But I should say, by the way,
there's a fantastic HBO documentary
and it's still streaming right now
called Six by Sondheim
and it's incredible
and go watch it.
Now, did Sondheim, during West Side Story,
like he turned down something
that they were going to offer him in the contract?
I don't know.
That's interesting.
Yeah.
And like he wound up losing a fortune on that one.
Nine Tonys, eight Grammys, an Oscar, and a Pulitzer.
Well done.
Well done, sir.
Well done.
And we will mention The Last of Sheila.
He also wrote a cool movie with Anthony Perkins.
Leslie Brickus I'll mention because we've mentioned him on the podcast.
We lost him at 90 and we closed
the Mario Christmas episode with a song
from Scrooge. Goldfinger, right?
He wrote,
he co-wrote, I think he wrote
the lyrics to Dubon themes.
Yeah, Goldfinger and You Only Live Twice.
You are correct, sir. Nice job.
But also the scores and songs from
Dr. Dolittle's Goodbye Mr. Chips,
Pure Imagination from Willy Wonka, Candyman Gilbert, What Kind of Fool Am I, Talk to the Animals. in love. You'd think that I'm the only
one that I
have been thinking of.
Lovely.
I'll be grateful it wasn't a Brando
reference.
Marilyn Birdman.
You know,
Anthony Newley.
Now you stop.
You stop.
Gilbert, I'll get on a plane and come down there to Florida.
I will box your ears.
Marilyn Bergman, Oscar winner, wrote nice with her husband, Alan Bergman, wrote so many wonderful songs.
You Don't Bring Me Flowers, Windmills of Your Mind from the Thomas Crown Affair.
That's my favorite opening credit sequence is that movie and that song.
Like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel, never ending or beginning, like a never spinning reel, like something, something.
You are a sick man.
Wrote that with Michelle Legrand.
We have to get Norman Jewison on this podcast.
They wrote with Dave Grusin, It Might Be You, that wonderful song from Tootsie, sung by our friend Stephen Bishop. She was the first woman on the ASCAP board, first female president and chairman of ASCAP. Our friend Paul Williams released a nice statement about her. I said I wasn't going to do music, but there we went and we did music.
So let's talk about Mike Nesmith.
Yes.
A favorite episode, another favorite episode.
And Mike Nesmith.
An accidental episode, I might add.
I've told this story a thousand times.
I was flying out to L.A. to do an audition for this movie, The Experts.
And I found myself sitting next to Mike Nesmith. out to LA to do an audition for this movie, The Experts.
And I found myself sitting next to Mike Nesmith.
And he said, what's that script?
And I told him.
And I said, you know, it's a movie.
These Russians kidnap two Americans so that they can spy or whatever.
And Mike Nesmith just goes, sounds like a piece of shit.
One of my favorite Mike Nesmith stories, no matter how many dozens of times I hear it.
I love telling that story. I know he tells it to Dave Thomas, who directed the movie.
Yes, yes. I got he tells it to Dave Thomas, who directed the movie. Yes, yes.
I got great joy out of that.
That episode surprised us because we did not go to Chiller Fest with the intention of interviewing Mike Nesmith,
who was up in his room.
We used, I've said it many times,
we exploited the cuteness of Max Gottfried to,
I guess Max was four or five at the time,
to get Mike.
We knocked on the door, and Max jumped on the couch
and sat on his lap, and he was so charmed,
and he did the show.
And he broke news about how the Monkees
never did outsell the Beatles and the Stones.
Yes, he said that he was bored doing those interviews.
Right.
So he made up that story and
in his obituary
they put
that the monkeys out
sold the Beatles.
Check out that interview.
That was a special show. He had a great
sense of humor.
It was a thrill for me
doing this show. Of course I get to meet
so many childhood heroes but that one was to be there with a monkey and meeting Mickey, too.
Check out his post-Monkey's work, too, with the First National Band.
And like I said, a renaissance man.
He was a music video pioneer.
He produced Repo Man.
Wow.
And Tape Heads.
I mean, he did so many different things.
Was so much fun with us.
Was so self-deprecating.
He was another guy I would have liked to have had back a second time.
I remember when my son Max was sitting on his lap, Max kept pulling on the skin under his neck.
And he was just there, like, shrugging his shoulders.
He was mellow.
We did that interview in Lee Merriweather in the same afternoon
and that was just
a blessed day.
Oh, great.
We didn't expect
any of that to happen.
I'm going to fly through
some names here quick
and then we'll get
to the ending.
Melvin Van Peebles,
the director of Watermelon Man
and Sweetback's Badass Song.
Say that three times fast.
What were you saying, Mike?
You were telling me
before about him.
Criterion just released
a box set of his work.
It's really
a really nice tribute. Important filmmaker,
father of Mario Van Peebles.
Here's a name for you, Giuseppe Rotuno.
Do you know that name?
No. Oddly enough.
Cinematographer
who worked for Fellini.
Shot Abercorn and
many Fellini films and all that jazz.
One of my five favorite movies, so I wanted to bring it up.
Director Monty Hellman.
Do you know that name?
I do, yes.
I've seen some of his westerns.
The Shooter.
What is the name of that picture?
Ride the.
Yeah, The Shooting.
The Shooting, not The Shooter.
Yeah, and Ride the Whirlwind.
Yes.
Yeah, and also Tulane Blacktop.
Right.
Films worth seeing.
He's a Tarantino favorite.
He worked with Corman, too.
Jean-Paul Belmondo.
Oh, my God.
French New Wave and Breathless.
Was anyone cooler ever than that guy?
Only Gilbert.
I've been, you know, that's my other project, Gil.
I've been going around town pitching a shot-for-shot remake of Breathless starring you in the Belmondo role.
And shockingly, there's no takers yet.
One day.
Sadly, it's a remake of the Richard Gere version of Breathless.
From Monty Hellman to Jerome Hellman,
we lost the produced Midnight Cowboy and Coming Home.
Actors, some wonderful actors.
Bruce Kirby, a veteran character actor,
the father of Bruno Kirby.
Look at his face, you'll recognize him immediately.
A million roles, I think eight or nine Columbo's.
James Hampton, Gilbert Dobbs from F Troop.
Oh.
Remember Jim Hampton?
James Hampton?
It's in The Longest Yard.
A million things.
Peter Scolari died too young.
Peter Scolari was the first pilot I ever was in. It was called
The Further Adventures
of Wally Brown.
That was
Peter Scolari.
Was Barry Levinson involved in that?
No, that was Toast of Manhattan.
Okay.
Where the theme song was,
before you ask,
the toast of Manhattan,
so this must be Sunday. Where the theme song was, before you ask, the toast of Manhattan, the toast of Manhattan,
so this must be Sunday, the toast of Manhattan.
Catchy.
Yes.
Peter Scolari, so wonderful and funny on New Heart and Bosom Buddies,
and recently in Girls, and left us too young.
Actor William Smith from Conan and Red Dawn
and some Corman movies and Rich Man, Poor Man.
Olympia Dukakis with a wonderful career
and an Oscar winner for Moonstruck.
And getting back to Peter Scolari for a second,
a couple of years ago,
I was walking somewhere on Broadway
and I ran into him.
Oh.
And it was really nice because we, uh, you know, we both
remembered that and laughed about it. And, uh, yeah, he was. And what else happened when you
ran into him? Okay. You didn't ask him to do the show. Let me get to some other names here
from, from, from night court, Charlie Robinson and Markie Post.
She was wonderful.
Frank Bonner, who played Herb Tarlek on WKRP in Cincinnati.
Here's a name for you, Gil.
Billy Hayes, Witchy Poo from H.R. Puffin Stuff.
And all those Croft shows.
Arlene Galanca.
Oh, she.
Did everything.
Arlene Galanca was in Further Adventures of Wally Brown with me and Peter Scolari.
There you go.
Uh-oh.
Oh, God, Gil.
It's the curse of The Adventures of Wally Brown.
Oh, it's not.
She was a Mayberry RFD in The In-Laws as Peter Falk's wife.
All right.
And here's a name for you, Gil.
Paul Soles.
Does anybody know who that was?
Paul Soles was the voice of Spider-Man
in the 1960s animated Spider-Man.
But more important
to this show, he was the voice
of Hermie the Dentist on Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer.
So there's one for you, Mario.
And I want to
throw one more out here.
Ruthie Thompson.
Do you know that name, Mr. Weber?
No.
She was a legendary Disney animator.
She worked on Snow White, Pinocchio, and Fantasia, and Dumbo.
I'm talking the originals.
Oh, my God.
She passed at 111.
Wow.
Did the police have any leads?
You're awful
what was that Jeff Ross joke
about the
he had an aunt antique
she died at 99
and his cousin calls
and said
oh what happened
what happened
and Jeff says
her chute didn't open
oh god
so from
there's a segue
from Jeff Ross to two people we have to...
Anybody else that you want to mention in there, Mike?
I wanted to throw in Richard Rush.
Richard Rush, the stuntman.
When I've been on the podcast before, I've talked about The Stuntman, a movie I love.
But he also directed Freebie and the Bean.
Not a good movie.
Psych Out with Dean Stockwell in it.
And Nicholson. Oh, Psych Out.
Yeah, that's right.
That's right.
Richard Rush.
The Stuntman is a wonderful movie.
Yeah.
And let's not forget Lionel Barrymore.
Yeah, he also passed.
Yes.
How about Lena Vertmuller?
Yes.
She died?
Yeah.
First woman to be nominated for a Best Directing Oscar.
Yes, Seven Beauties.
Yeah, that's a good one.
And who was that actor she always worked with?
Giancarlo Giannini.
Yes, yes.
A Jew from Bensonhurst.
Yes.
Yeah, the other great movie is Swept Away.
Swept Away, yeah.
Seduction and Mimi, too.
I one time asked Frank, should we get Giancarlo Giannini?
And he asked the same question that he asked when I recommended Papillon Sousa.
Does he speak English?
Is that not a relevant question for booking someone?
I thought it was.
Anybody else you want to bring up?
And let's preface this by saying we apologize to all the people, all the names, all the families of people we're not going to get to.
I'll throw in just for shits and giggles.
Larry King, Alan Coulter, the Letterman, David Letterman announcer.
Oh, my God.
Who I worked with.
I worked with him on the TV Land Awards.
A lovely man.
Willard Scott, a TV icon and a personal friend and hero to Al Roker.
And he once announced my grandmother's 100th birthday.
There you go.
Wow.
There you go.
Boobie Gottfried got announced by Larry King, did I mention?
Yep.
I'll throw in Michael Apted.
Sure, Michael Apted, Coal Miner's Daughter.
Yeah, the Up series,
which he was a researcher
who helped pick the 14 kids in the first one,
but then he directed all the rest of them in the series.
Correct.
But he had sort of a really varied body of work,
like Gorillas in the Mist,
Thunderheart, Gorky Park. Oh park oh yeah sort of oh yeah range yeah british british director yes yes yes oh and willard scott when he announced
my my grandmother it's she when she turned 100 she said uh that she had people were telling her
that willard scott announces and i said so you want me to talk to Willard Scott?
And she says, I would like to be on TV.
And Willard Scott said, okay, he'd do it, but he needs some information.
And I asked my mother, and my mother said, well, she always liked to cook and sew,
and she liked going outside so willard scott goes and happy 100th birthday mini zimmerman who likes cooking sewing and the
great outdoors It made it sound like she was mountain climbing.
That's hilarious.
She was white water rafting.
Yes.
Let me mention, too, here, and again, we apologize for all the people that we won't get to or the people we rush through.
We can't do a four-hour show.
A wonderful comic, a wonderful in a way underrated
or unheralded or
underappreciated comic. You must have met him, Gilbert.
Paul Mooney.
Yes, yes. Truly funny man.
Oh, he was always
like late at night
at the comedy store.
Truly funny. Yeah.
And wrote for Sanford and Son and wrote for
Good Times and one of the first black members of the WGA, Mike.
And I think he wrote, didn't he write on the Richard Pryor show?
Yes, he did.
And he wrote, and he wrote, let me get this out before you.
You're a horrible, you're a horrible man.
His best known fault.
Fucking Marlon Brando.
You're a horrible, horrible human being.
He also wrote the very famous Richard Pryor Chevy sketch on SNL, the Word Association sketch.
Yes.
Yes.
He was a legend and deserves more credit than he gets,
which brings us to two notable comedians and two friends of Gilbert's.
And Gilbert, you might have to do the driving on this one.
Let's start with the late, great Norm.
Yeah, I remember doing Norm's podcast.
Yeah, I remember doing Norm's podcast.
And, you know, as always, it turned with any of my comic friends,
it would turn, like, deranged.
And he was very funny with that.
He'd always talk with, like, a sneer.
You know, it was like, and I remember right after,
I put that photo up a few times.
It's one of my favorite photos.
Afterwards, after doing Norm's show, Norm and I joined Jeff Ross and, of course, Bob Saget. Yeah. And I remember that being a night of just nonstop laughs.
You could tell even from the still photo that you guys were ripping it up.
Yeah.
It was just so much fun.
Truly original.
Truly original.
I never met him.
You know, it's funny. I'm in comedy a long time and I know a million comedians
and I've gotten to work with a million comedians
and for some reason our paths
never crossed. And we wanted
to get him on this show, Gil, as you know.
Yes. And he was
Norm. So he was strangely
he was strangely
hard to pin down or non-committal
or could do it and then couldn't
do it.
Well, I
can't.
I don't really know.
I know I'm working.
What are the
truly great comic minds, though?
His last appearance
on Letterman where he got so emotional.
It sounds corny.
I felt I knew him through his work and obviously a lot of mutual friends.
That Letterman appearance.
Gil, your appearance on his podcast, that whole podcast was so good and so funny.
Let's not diminish that, Gilbert.
It made history, your appearance, and also the Einstein episode.
Yeah.
With Norm. I remember when I was on Norm's podcast afterwards, I just felt like I ran a marathon.
It was just like, just got crazier and crazier.
Netflix owns those, owns that show now.
They do.
Because they're not available to the public, unfortunately.
And they're sitting on them.
Hopefully one day.
It would be great if that podcast was re-released.
Yeah, that Bob Einstein episode is also legend.
Yep.
You know, what can you say about the guy?
I mean, a really rare, truly original comic voice.
It just really, such a loss.
And I love Kurt Ferguson more than life itself.
By the way, Norm's book, based on a true story, not a memoir, which is so funny.
The audio book, he narrates it.
So if you miss Norm and you've never heard him reading his book, it's brilliant.
Now I got to get it.
Yeah, I regret never meeting the man.
And Gilbert, I'm glad you had such wonderful times with him.
Yes, he was a lot of fun.
It's a big loss.
It's a loss for this podcast too.
And just like a total smartass.
Yeah, I wish our paths had crossed. It's a big loss. It's a loss for this podcast, too. And just like a total smartass. Yeah.
I wish our paths had crossed.
We will return to Gilbert Gottfried's amazing, colossal podcast.
But first, a word from our sponsor.
So let's move on to Bob, last but not least.
Yeah.
Which was a blow and not expected.
And I had just – I will say that I had just reached out to Bob.
We just recorded our 400th episode a couple of days ago, Gilbert and I.
And I reached out to Bob and I said, will you come and do this with us?
And he said, I think I'm on a plane that night.
And we were going back and forth and trying to arrange something.
And then I sent him the link, which has been shared online.
I sent him the link to Don Rickles' estate auction.
Did you see that?
Oh, yeah.
I bid on a couple of things.
You bid on a couple of things?
And I got none of them.
Bob's face was on a couple of items.
There was pictures of them together
and a poster or something.
And I said, hey, you might want to bid
on some of these things.
And he wrote me back and he said, this just makes me sad, actually.
And he said, but life goes on.
And I was, I had said to my wife, I have to call Bob.
I have to text Bob.
We have to, we moved the date of the 400th episode.
And I got a phone call from my sister-in-law probably 20 minutes later
telling me she just heard that he was gone.
It was very shocking and still is um and i had just spoken to bob like a few days before he died and we were on
the phone and as always the minute anything turned at all sincere or serious, we turn it to just complete filth and make it perverse.
And it was always fun.
And it was like, I always remember, like, when the aristocrats came out, people were saying, can you believe Bob Saget talks like
that? And to people who
knew him, they said, we couldn't
believe he could speak any other
way.
You watch
Hogan's Heroes. You and I had the same bit. Did you know that?
Oh, wow. We had the same bit.
I didn't do it because I heard you do it on
Conan or something. And then I went, oh, I
can't do that. But it was what, and you should do it.
It's one of my favorite things.
But I had the same premise, not the same yet.
But the premise was, how do you sell Hogan's Heroes in a room?
What's the pitch meeting for Hogan's Heroes?
What was yours?
Yeah, it's a bunch of soldiers in a Nazi prison camp.
It's a comedy.
Did you say, give me 26?
Did you order up the episodes?
Yeah, that's great.
Give me 13 episodes right away.
And they don't want to leave.
They get out.
They want to go back.
And they were all Jewish actors.
The two Nazis were Jews.
Werner Klemper and John
Banner. John Banner was Schultz?
Yeah.
I have a feeling he had a very
minty penis.
I'm just...
I'm not sure.
It would be a good time for the disc to run out of
space right now.
Gilbert, just answer.
Without thinking, who had the saltiest
cock of any actor you ever know?
Who was it?
Saltiest?
Which one?
I would have to say Howard Duff
That's interesting
That's an old reference
And he was
Must have been furry down there
He looked like a very official.
He looked like someone from the Declaration of Independence.
It was kind of a tie between Howard Duff and J. Carol Nash.
J. Carol Nash had a very salty penis.
Did you find yourself after you were.
Can I ask you this?
Is this too personal?
It's a little sensitive.
After having
Jake Carroll and Nash's
penis in your mouth, did you find yourself
drinking more water?
He wasn't Danny Tanner.
I didn't know him that well.
I certainly didn't know him as well as Gilbert.
But that was part of him. But there was such a gentleness to the guy, too. I mean, his humor was so edgy and so dark and could be so scatological, as you'll hear because we're rerunning the second episode that we did with him.
episode that we did with him uh but but he he didn't want to he didn't want to injure he didn't want to hurt anybody he was very very very sensitive guy did he always tell you that he
loved you before he hung up the phone gilbert yes as dara as dara shared with me there was
a real a real kindness to him that you couldn't miss and and uh yeah and i were i i remember And, yeah, I remember I got a call from Jeff Ross who said, oh, sad news, Bob Saget died.
And I swear, I thought, oh, this is going to be a funny, sick joke.
And I said, oh, OK.
And I was waiting for the punchline.
And then he said, no, seriously, he died.
And I still have a hard time grasping that.
It's a gut punch.
It really is.
And, you know, Gilbert, you made the rounds.
You went on CNN.
You went on television.
You said some lovely things about him.
But, you know, 65, I mean, it's too young.
It's too big a loss for so many people.
And it seemed like he was another one starting out again.
Like he just did a live show, and he was really excited to be getting back to live performing and, uh,
going back to the second podcast with him. And he started that podcast, Bob Saget's here for you.
And it did seem like he was entering another phase of his career and another phase of his life. It
seemed like he was, he was more wistful and, and, and, and trying more to be of service. I mean,
he was, you know, that's why he was pleasant to be around.
There really was no show business at all to the guy.
Yeah.
You know?
And he struck me, again, didn't know him well,
but he struck me as also having a sadness about him.
Do you think that Gil, did you feel that?
Yeah.
A depth and a sadness about him.
And he also, well, he had two sisters who died.
Yeah, that's right.
One from Scleroderma, which was a charity he did loads of work for.
Yes, to his credit.
And see, there's another thing that shows,
that I've always said about comedy and tragedy.
thing that shows that i've always said about comedy and tragedy i he he he made i remember being with him a few times where he made jokes about his sister you know really deranged stuff
but then you see i mean you know he loved his sister. Of course. And his family was totally traumatized by it.
But he could just be completely sick.
I think if you could communicate with the dead and get in touch with Bob Saget,
he would make completely bad taste jokes about his own death.
He was that kind.
He would just really...
Staying true to his art to the end.
Yes, yes.
To the bitter end.
It's a big loss for us personally,
for Gilbert and Jeff and Stamos
and obviously a lot of his friends and fans.
And I put up a photo too.
I was on the beach with Jeff
and we're holding up
a phone and on the phone
is Bob Saget
because we're sitting on the beach and said
hey let's call Bob. I saw the picture.
Yeah.
Not much else we can
add. Rest in peace
Bob.
Mr. Weber. That's impossible to follow, isn't it?
It's, you know, it's hard and it's why we do this show.
Is to preserve this stuff.
is to preserve this stuff, is to preserve these stories, and hopefully there'll be a life for this show.
After we're gone, it will be a historical document where people want to go and listen to these wonderful artists. They want to hear Carl Reiner and Richard Donner and Bogdanovich and Bob Saget and Jessica Walter.
But they will.
They will because what you guys have done is similar to what Peter did
that we sort of early in this show were talking about,
that how Peter went to all of these people who were his heroes
and was saying, I want to preserve these stories.
And it's what you guys have done.
And what I remember is the, well, I mean, remember, I get it a lot. And it's like, it always makes me happy when I'll get a tweet or whatever about the podcast
and they'll say, I had no idea who that was you were talking about,
and I had no idea of the people you mentioned in his stories,
but now I've been looking it up.
Yeah, when you make fans out of somebody, yeah.
Yeah, and now it's like a homework assignment for them.
Sure, sure, sure.
Well, you know, I've said it many times, Mike, and you know this.
We didn't start out with these kind of grand intentions. We just thought it was a goof, and we sat around and said, let's call Adam West and Larry Storch and engage them and have a couple of laughs. Maybe they'll tell some funny stories. Maybe we can share it with people.
400 episodes later, and you've been kind enough to do several of these with us, and eight years later, Gilbert.
Jeez. kind enough to do several of these with us. And eight years later, Gilbert, it is, you know,
people are starting to ask me, what are you doing with these things? Do you want to donate them to a library or a university? I mean, it's heartwarming to know that they're going to
have this kind of value for people as an educational tool. We never, we never set out to do
that, but it's been a beautiful, happy accident. So if, um, if someone wanted to do homework about
Richard Pryor, uh, and where should they, where would the next place they go, Gilbert?
Gilbert, if you wanted to.
They'd look up first do research in a Marlon Brando book.
Okay.
You know, that's the screenwriter just cut the treacle.
If you guys don't know that term, look it up.
I don't know if I've ever told this before, but Harlan Brando and Richard Pryor
got totally stoned,
got totally coked up,
and fucked each other.
Quincy Jones
was
the witness.
Weber, I can't hate you, because it is an ending.
Wait, have we talked about Einstein?
Well, he passed three years ago, but...
That was three years ago?
You can bring him up if you like.
2019.
Well, I found out he passed away again.
Well, what killed him the second time,
he was really healthy and happy,
but then he accidentally opened up a bedroom door and saw Marlon Brando fucking Richard Pryor.
I see. I see. Okay.
The only reason I'm going to leave that in the show is that Bob would have appreciated that too.
Yes.
going to leave that in the show is that Bob would have appreciated that too.
We love these people. We are grateful to the ones that we had that came and shared their stories with us. We will miss them. We're grateful to the people who helped us book them. We're sorry for
the ones we didn't get to. And Weber, you're the best. Thank you guys for having me. This is always fun.
One of my favorite days in this podcast history
is when you wrote me on Twitter out of the blue
and told me what a fan you were of the show.
And here you are.
And now we can't get rid of you.
What is this, eight episodes?
I don't know.
This is probably my,
is this my fourth or fifth in memoriam?
Yeah, something like that.
We thank you for being part of this and being such a help and being here with us and taking this journey with us.
And that's all I got, Gil.
So why don't you sign off?
Oh, yeah. We'll find an appropriate piece of music and post to send this show out.
Thank you to all these wonderful people.
You will be missed.
The theme music too on the waterfront.
Or the godfather.
You're a demon.
You're an irredeemable demon.
You have the theme music
to the toy.
Because
Richard Pryor was
Marlon Brando's son.
Let it never be said that this
In Memoriam show is unique.
Thank you
listeners. We love you. We love you, Mike Weber.
Yes.
We will see you with an all new show
next week.
Eddie Robertson and Rock Hillman have to come in and help me
with this number. This is how we feel today.
It's a good day for singing a song.
And it's a good day for moving along.
It's a good day.
How can anything go wrong?
It's a good day from morning till night.
It's a good day for shining your shoes.
And it's a good day for losing the blues
Everything to gain and nothing to lose
It's a good day from morning till night
I said to the sun, good morning sun
Rise and shine today
Oh, you gotta get going if you're gonna make a showing
And you've got the right of way
It's a good, good day for curing your ills
And it's a good day for paying your bills
So take a deep breath and throw away your pills
Cause it's a good day from morning till night
Cause it's a good day from morning till night
Cause it's a good day from morning till night Cause it's a good day from morning till night