Girls Gone Canon Cast - ASOIAF Episode 84 - ASOS Jaime V

Episode Date: March 20, 2020

It's the Jaime chapter, the big one where we find out about Aerys and stuff.  Quora answer cited: https://www.quora.com/By-what-measure-does-a-wolf-judge-a-lion/answer/David-Shrauger --- Eliana's twitter: https://twitter.com/arhythmetric Eliana's reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/glass_table_girl Eliana's blog: https://themanyfacedblog.wordpress.com/ Chloe's twitter: https://twitter.com/liesandarbor Chloe's blog: www.liesandarborgold.com 

Hello and welcome to another episode of Girls Gone Canon, A Song of Ice and Fire episode 84, Jamie, 5, and A Storm of Swords. I am one of your hosts, Chloe. You know me as Liza Narber on Twitter, Tumblr, and LizaNarberGold.com. And I am another one of your hosts, Eliana. You might know me as GlassTableGirl on Reddit, on the Mason Monthly podcast,

or maybe as Arithmetric over on Twitter. If you are listening to our podcast in this day and age, you may be practicing social distancing, but we are being very responsible and we are socially distancing ourselves while talking about A Song of Ice and Fire and glad to have you guys aboard this week

in this crazy, crazy world. Yeah, in these strange times. Thank you. You know, I saw a couple of people saying that we are one of the podcasts that will be keeping them company while they, you know, self-quarantine slash social distance. Okay, Margo.

I'm fine. I'm doing fine. Sorry, everyone. Social distance. It's been so long, you know, since I've spoken to people or to anyone that i'm like how does what no that's not true i'm like in meetings all day but yeah yeah it's rough it's rough thank you for keeping us in your hearts and in your ears in your lives yes you guys are very much in

our hearts in our lives in our minds but especially in our email inbox. We've been getting some really good emails from you guys, and we wanted to read a couple emails today from the Ice and Fire Con giveaway competition, where we made you guys email us about your favorite POVs for no reason other than we get to read them on air and talk about them. We really didn't judge you guys by your POVs, but Ice and Fire Con was postponed because of the craziness of covid19 i hear so that will be happening the weekend of halloween this is halloween this is halloween i'm not gonna lie it kind of sounds like that's gonna be lit like skeletons everywhere

oh wow the skelly party will finally be apt yeah it's its own weekend yes the whole weekend will be a skelly party i'm excited true true true true while we still have some great emails from that ice and fire con giveaway we hope to see a bunch of you there i know i'll still be there eliana i don't know if you still will be there but i hope so because otherwise we're divorcing i intend to still be there you know it was a rough decision but I think a lot of events this season are going to have to make that same decision. So yeah, for sure. Well, we got an email from our friend, Michael. Michael sent us an email and said,

reading Jamie's chapters are a different experience than other point of views. It feels like I'm in an actual, if awful, person's head. He's just doing what he can in the moment. He doesn't have some grandiose sense of what he's doing or his place in things. He doesn't care if he's a player or a pawn. He just lives life like the rest of us.

Well, maybe not quite like the rest of us. I mean, I have no siblings to live my life like Jamie Lannister, so there's that. Yeah, I don't know what this means either, but I like it. I like it. like it i do too it is interesting the idea that he's like i don't know if he's awful or not i don't know i'm just

like so swayed yeah i like the the aspect of the he's just like us in the way that he thinks and assesses situations that humanization that george has given him has definitely benefit during this there's that. And like, I think there's an aspect of him that is also so of course tied in with Tyrion's POV. A lot of it, of course,

people have talked about like how they play full to each other, but I think they have such a similar sense of humor in many ways. You can like see how their brother is because of that. So, and I think that's part of why people feel drawn to Jaime as well. His sense of humor because like tyrian's also an awful person but everyone's like oh he's funny yeah but i feel like tyrian sometimes can come off as really harsh try hard humor right where jamie is really

relatable jamie is super relatable humor jamie's humor does feel a lot more grounded a lot more down to earth where tyrian's is sometimes it's either too cynical or a little too ridiculous and i think that makes sense for their characters right yeah no james feels easy going things have been easy for him until now except for the part where he tried to be romantically forever with his twin sister and you know the part where well we'll get to it later in this episode but for for now, we have another letter also about Jamie being their favorite POV. Hey girls, my favorite part of Jamie's POV

is simply this. He's a deeply emotional character who allows himself to be molded by others and, because of his unique past, is treated singularly by others. He, like his brother, both deliberately and involuntarily as a defense mechanism, is a reflection of the world around him. At the start of his arc, this is obvious, and this is well-tread ground. He reflects on how the accusing glare of Ned Stark was enough to literally define his character for the years to come. This sticks with him

throughout his arc. At the end of A Dance with Dragons, he is still defined consciously by the accusing glare of others. He gives up on potential avenues of compromise with the Blackfish at their river and parlay because the Blackfish's tone and eyes remind him of Ned Stark. Between these two radical examples, and over the course of his arc, it is simply

downright interesting it's in italics, so I said it with emphasis to see someone in Jamie's position, and with his levels of sensitivity and cultural awareness interact with those around him it has been said a thousand times before but his inclusion as a pov is a masterstroke by george even if the character is ultimately by the merit of his worst moments as privileged rotten and spoiled as his father and siblings matthew hurwitz who's

the writer of this letter also says that one of their choices was davos but felt that was well tried ground i don't know if we got that many davos i think we got one maybe one yeah but i mean like i agree i think jamie's pov is a masterstroke yeah by george oh yeah absolutely i mean i would never have appreciated the plot as much um i think it gave him kind of a ground also to add some details into the rebellion that he just hadn't found a way to put in which is great how interesting yeah yeah i think there's a lot of that um even when it comes down to jamie thinking on his past uh you know like almost mary or almost being betrothed to liza or, you know, the Blackfish as his war hero, understanding him. And I think it's really great because George's message is obviously very anti-war, right? Like George is saying war is bad. It hurts people.

bad guy isn't just a bad guy he's also like a war veteran with ptsd who grew up with really a shitty dad and never had the right kind of love at home never had the supervision or love that he needed to grow i mean he could have been you know arthur dane like he says but in some ways like he's also a good mirror to ned i'll talk about this know, both having quote-unquote bastards. I mean, Jaime literally does, but... Yeah, it makes by what right does the wolf judge the lion that much more powerful when you consider that? Absolutely.

And we'll talk about that in a bit, but thank you to Matthew Hurwitz, who I'm going to read his titles that he has included here, aka proud soy boy of Summerhall and swing dancer with dragons. Matthew, do you swing dance? Please send us a TikTok. I don't have a TikTok yet, but I like my cousins. Okay, my cousins were all trying to encourage me to get one. So I might have one soon. I don't specifically think I'm ready for that as far as youth culture. You know, I'm- What else am I gonna do right now? Okay. I've been really into Instagram during this whole quarantine business.

I don't know if you've noticed, but lately I've just been going to town. That's true. You have been on more. I think I understand it now. Like, I didn't really get it before, and now I'm just like, what is this? What do you not get? All of it. I mean- Hmm, interesting. The youth. The youth. like what is this what do you what do you not get that all of it i mean interesting the youth

the cute yeah tiktok is definitely youth culture we went to uh the emma premiere when it came out a couple weeks ago and the director was there but this woman very kind woman but she was uh some sort of radio host from a local station and she was supposed to be moderating right and like making sure questions got asked and answered and letting everyone do their thing but she was up there trying to do a pretty solid five to ten minutes of comedy and making jokes in a kind of an older indie film kind of crowd because it was at our hipster theater um how twee yeah making tiktok jokes when the crowd was like mostly 30s and up at earliest. Like it wasn't, it was just not, didn't hit, didn't hit.

You know, I was like, ooh, ooh, sweetheart. TikTok or like did not. Whatever that means. That almost worked in my head. Well, let's jump into our lightning round. I feel like we've been gone forever. Now that you're back, we have a good lightning round to jump on into. I just think it's so funny that you say that, but we have kept our schedule.

Well, listen. Anyways. Tyrion IV. Tyrion maneuvers through landmines like Simon Silvertongue and banging his new underage wife. Ending his day of work with telling the wall to promote Janos Slynt. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.

Vote blue no matter who. I'm just kidding. Oh my god. Sam will do. Sam and Gilly flee the bloodshed at Craster's Keep, Mormont's final words ringing in Sam's ears. Aria 6. Sandor Clegane faces judgment

in the Eye of R'hllor, but the gods have more plans for him yet. I can just imagine you, like, fist-pumping and really also patting yourself on the back after writing that. Thanks. I see it. Catlin 4. Hoster Tully dies, and then stuff gets...

worse. The Starks are forced to make amends with the phrase, Learning Winterfell has been burnt to the ground. Oh, and that a third of their forces are gone. And we're going to a wedding? God, it's gonna be great! Davos IV.

Davos gets a promotion and fulfills his handjob while Melisandre burns a few slugs. Are you proud? Oh, I've never been prouder. And that brings us to Jamie 4. For this summary, it's that iconic Jamie chapter

that everyone loves, you know? You all know what it is. Today we talk about 16-year-old boys, their successes, their failures. Look, I know that reads creepy, but it did not mean it to be creepy i mean a little but you know it's worth talking about started out with jamie he's in the bathhouse and here and all he's being led into it and there brienne is scrubbing angrily away at herself this is such

like a tone setting first intro right brienne's scrubbing angrily with a hard, stiff brush. She's trying to scrub away at her body and this like new little world that she's captive in. It's gotten her nothing but physically assaulted this entire trip. So her scrubbing at her skin, the opening of it. I love it. Very, very out damn spot, you know? I love it very uh very out damn spot you know yeah and I it I think of it contrasted with like the scene of what Arya with Lady Smallwood Arya is not the one scrubbing on her skin but the rest of the world is doing so and obviously you know there's there's similarities between Brienne and Arya well not to mention that Arya has you know trailed exactly where Jaime and Brienne have come to this whole entire ride Arya's already been there. True. And Roose Bolton doesn't know it, and he's all like, I don't know where that girl is.

Okay. Ironically. Interesting you say that. Yeah. Jamie tells her to be careful not to scrub off all of her skin, and Brienne modestly covers herself at his voice. He notes that her hands are as big as Gregor Clegane's and that they're covering her nipples,

which he thinks look too small for her body. that's great for you some people are into that apparently jamie is she he doesn't know that he's like i don't know this is the weirdest boner the weirdest boner just admit just admit that this is your type yeah it's like the episode of broad city where alana meets the girl at the event that looks exactly like her and she starts dating her. And Abby's like, you don't get why you like her? She's like, no. She's like, she is you. You guys look exactly the same, dude.

Like, that's what this is. It's Maybe from Arrested Development. Yes! Right? That was her name, right? Baby? Yeah, Baby. Yeah, because there was like a lot of puns around it

um my god yes yeah it's uh it's like how cersei feels about her kids and how she loves them so much but then like also it turns out she doesn't because they're just extensions of herself so it's like an opposite thing for jamie like he's like oh why do i love brienne i don't love brienne who said that who said that? Yeah, Cersei and Jaime, both different versions. Both reflections of Alanna. In fact, did you know George R. R. Martin actually said, and you can find it on So Speak Martin,

that Brod said he was like a huge inspiration on A Song of Ice and Fire. So Brienne asks why Jaime is here, and it's to get clean for Bruce's fancy dinner party later Lord Bolton insists I sup with him but he neglected to invite my fleas that's too bad they better find a new home uh the man who led Jamie in helps him unlace his breeches and orders

him to leave after he's done and also to stop staring at Brienne's titties he's like don't look at her boobs good for you Jamie he sends the woman attending Brienne away as well and the servants listen to him I love something here there's this line the habit of obedience went deep it's noted when the guards leave at Jamie's commands and Jamie basically gives commands in the lord's voice right maybe this is to show his future going through the riverlands a little bit there with that commandful voice but I thought that was something interesting we've talked a lot about the Lord's voice yeah it's something that did stick out that I hadn't thought about until now you know in this

reread um how he still has that class power even though if he feels that he doesn't have that fighting power anymore right yeah and that's something that tyrian also definitely has and he doesn't acknowledge it till like way later on and it's like no tyrian you and penny aren't the same the tubs are fashioned like the free city's bathhouses and jv climbs into brienne's tub slowly i actually thought this was kind of interesting. It's like, wow, so Harrenhal was very stylish? Have the Free Cities not changed their bathtubs in years? Or was Harrenhal very forward?

Unsure. This is the discussion people came for. Jamie feels very old. So I actually looked it up because the line here says that Jamie feels 109 years old to see if there was anything significant that happened like 109 years ago in Westeros. And for that exact date that there isn't, I thought I was like really onto something, but I wasn't. Brienne tries to shrink away from Jamie saying that, dog, there are like a bunch of other tubs literally go into any of the other ones. And he's like, no, it's fine. I don't want what's

between your bruised and battered thighs. then he sinks into the tub his right arm resting outside for kyburn's instructions well i thought it was really interesting uh about like the wood that they're made of in aria in clash i think it's like aria six i want to say we learned that the bath house is made of stone and timber and that there's like only one entrance to the room and it sets it up and I'm interested in like trade wise so if it's in the fashion of the free cities does that also mean

it probably is using things that came from the free cities and I was also curious about the influence that maybe the Tai Roshi may have had over that when it came to not in the dance but after yeah after how strong was

gone I don't know it was just a thought I was having if there was any influence with the Tai Roshi with its rebuilding but very interesting yeah but nothing nothing alas I come to you empty handed well damn Interesting. Yeah. But nothing. Nothing. Alas, I come to you empty handed. Well, damn.

Same. I know the mood. So then Jamie asks Brienne if she wants him to pull out. And by that, I mean pull him out if he faints. I'm not responding to that. I'm done. No Lannister has ever drowned in his bath, and I don't mean to be the first why should i care how you die he swore a solemn vow he smiled as a red flush crept up the thick white column of her neck he's really like noting a lot about her body and i'm just gonna say the

solemn vow and like her blushing is it flirting about marriage is it i don't know i mean i don't think they're gonna get married because i don't think happiness happens for me especially in this book series but but a lot of the language basically is marriage i mean marriage as we've learned is just a paper shield in these books right so i mean what's marriage really like maybe it's just like a lifelong bond of love. Maybe it's, you know, someone putting a cloak around your shoulders. Oh, what kind of cloak? Anyways, what about a white and bloody cloak? I don't know.

So Brienne modestly turns away from him and he starts teasing her. He's scrubbing himself with a brush in a very disconnected manner. And the word actually used here, I really loved this. And I didn't even realize what a fancy word George pulled out on me here. He said desultorily, which is like a $7 word. D-E-S-U-L-T-O-R-I-L-Y, which like when spelled out, you're just like,

oh, really? But yeah, no, I don't know that I've heard that word like in a fictional fantasy piece yeah i don't think i've ever like really yeah i think i've often come across that word the definition according to dictionary.com lacking in consistency constancy or visible order disconnected fitful yeah yeah i don't know but now we know. Everyone use that word, desultorily.

Jaime's left hand is not working well in comparison to his right, but the dirt dissolves in the water anyway. Brienne continues standing with her back to him, and he asks her if his stump is distressing her. You ought to be pleased. I've lost the hand I killed the king with, the hand that flung the Stark boy from that tower, the hand I'd slide between my sister's thighs to make her wet. He thrust his stump at her face.

No wonder Renly died with you guarding him. Rude. Yeah, quick 180 over there. Right? But in this line, I do think this is really interesting. Jamie's explicitly linking his hand, right, to that sexual act regarding, I guess, his sister's size. Because, you know, he's just going to be open about that. But for all the discussion we've been doing in general about linking Jamie's hand and his masculinity and, you know, the essays that we've been citing from low to talk about gender again like it's worth noting that jamie doesn't ever really think explicitly like the words of like oh not having a hand makes me less than a man or less of a man right he thinks about some of that stuff later on but he doesn't think about it in terms of manhood as explicitly he usually likens his hand

to like acts or power or fighting or sex you know and obviously those the undertones of that are about masculinity um and i say this because jamie's perspective and understanding it as important as it is for later on understanding brienne's poVs and characters. I think it's also really important to compare to Cersei's interiority. Like, Jaime, you know, a lot of guys, right, they don't think about what it means to be a man until they're unable to, like, fulfill those roles anymore, like, striving for it. And even then, Jaime tends to think of it in terms of ability and usefulness whereas cersei

very very obviously and often thinks about her gender precisely because of her relationship to jamie because as a child like she was able to see what it was like to be treated as a man well and something that's in that too has to do with like the emasculinating of like, the Kingsguard, right? For him, he thinks of his sword hand being gone, not just necessarily his hand. He thinks of it as his sword hand. And like you said, he's kind of noticing these things like fucking his sister are the things he used to be able to do with that hand. are the things he used to be able to do with that hand. The things that defined him. He's going through this whole list of things that define him, that make him Jamie Lannister, that make him a man. Things that his whole life he's been thinking make him a man,

where there are things that other people in the books kind of see as being a man. Like Benjen says to Jon, you'll never be a father if you join the Night's Watch. Like you don't know what you're giving up. While Jamie had to give that up, he didn't get to be a father if you join the Night's Watch. You don't know what you're giving up. Well, Jamie had to give that up. He didn't get to be a dad. He never even got an opportunity to think that's what makes someone to be a man. His definition of what a man is is so different. So losing his sword hand to him does, in my opinion, make him feel like less of a man. I think he's just coming to terms with that loss. And in naming these crimes of things he's done here with Brienne, his sister is listed as a crime in the public's eyes. But this is kind of Jaime beginning to reckon with these crimes. And not only is he dealing finally with the loss of his hand, but the loss of these things that he's done that he had control over in some aspects.

And he probably shouldn't have done a few of them. Right? We know this. that he had control over in some aspects and he probably shouldn't have done a few of them. Right. We know this. We can all admit this, that Jamie has done a couple things that maybe weren't so sunshiny. It reminds me a lot of Sandor. Like fucking his sister. Yeah.

Like fucking his sister. It reminds me of Sandor breaking down to Aria before he quote unquote dies. Right. Like sobbing. Like I did this, I did this awful thing. Like I should have done worse. I'm a monster this

is jamie this whole entire chapter is jamie being like i've never been allowed to say any of this bullshit out loud to anyone anyone yeah that's true and he's just like whatever fuck it but also at the same time what is it like yeah what is it about like these like pained men you know they're needing needing women to tell them like oh it's all right well and that's like whatever my one big problem you know with this whole jamie brienne dynamic is that whole like they improve each other and blah blah i get it but it does feel like some of the heavy lifting is happening on one side that's all yeah brienne rises to her feet she splashes hot water everywhere jamie gets a peek at her pubes and he's like

why am I hard what is this feeling she's hairier than Cersei apparently and he thinks maybe I've been away from Cersei too long that's what's going on haha unless he mutters his apologies out of nowhere and he's like

I'm grateful for your protection on the way here. I'm sorry that I said that. And she doesn't really know whether he's joking or not, as being acquaintances with Jamie tends to go. And she's like, are you mocking me? And he's like, you're thick as a castle wall looking at you, Dunk. And he says, I was trying to make a truce, but she doesn't trust him because he is.

That's right, folks, a Kingslayer. He goes on to tell Brienne that he hated Robert more than he hated Aerys. I hear they've named you Kingslayer, he said to me at his coronation feast. Just don't think to make it a habit. Ha ha ha, and he laughed.

Why is it that no one names Robert Oathbreaker? He tore the realm apart, yet I am the one with shit for honor. Brienne, of course, argues that he did it for love, but Jaime says it was for pride, for a cunt, and for a pretty face, which, okay, not entirely wrong. Not that Lyanna is only those things, but Robert sure didn't think she was more than that.

Yeah, I do think that is what Jamie's saying and like definitely agree with him we talked a bit about Robert and the relationship Jamie has with Robert a bit in that first chapter kind of touching on it it's I think it's really noteworthy here because like you know you and I were very much in the camp of judging Robert for projecting so much onto liana when it seems like he doesn't really understand her he's like yeah liana would have totally let me do this and that's like no she fucking would have dude like do you even know her and jamie kind of says as much in a way here that it was less about liana and more about robert and his ego you know, you just said that. But at the same time, it makes me wonder if he's also projecting a little bit too. Because if it was so easy to just go find some other pretty girl to fall in love with, why haven't you done

it, Jamie? I do think that there's something there of like, he could have but at the same time, I mean, besides the Kingsguard thing. Well, also Circe is abusive. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, besides the Kingsguard thing. Well, also Cersei's abusive. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And I think that's a big part of it as well, too. So I think that's part of it. And like, not that Jaime's like the best towards Cersei either, right? Like, they have a very toxic relationship.

And I think that's a big part of it. Whereas Lyanna wasn't that interested in Robert, as we can see. She's like, yeah, he's cool. He's my bro. He's my friend. Kind of like you, but not into him, and I don't think he's actually into me. I think he's into you, Ned.

Anyways, at the same time, coming back to that projection, I think Robert gets something really interesting done to his character, because sure, he's projecting stuff onto Liana, but I think he becomes a source of projection for a lot of the men around him especially like they feel especially jealous

towards him like jamie in that first chapter like felt jealous of how robert can just publicly be with cersei and that he can just quote unquote access cersei in a way that jamie can't so i think that yeah like as you were saying like how come jamie can't. So I think that, yeah, like, as you were saying, like, how come Jamie can't get over Circe? Like, there's a lot of hypocrisy there in the way that he judges Robert regarding that love versus pride statement. Yeah. I think that you're really onto something,

and I think it's that lust for power in a way, too, especially because Jamie's never had, you know, really power to wield of his own. He thought he was going to, and then he got kind of, you know, bamboozled with Ares but like I mean there's that line right like we could call it the war for Cersei's cunt that's what he wants to be able to do he wants to be able to go to war to have what he loves like I think there is a certain amount of jealousy of having the power to do that safely like Robert had people backing himbert had an half a nation or so backing him

in this robert was able to bring enemies from their knees from them saying oh please robert spare me to be their friends still in the end you know robert had the power to do that jamie has never had that yeah i think that's interesting what you're saying um there's a very very very strong romantic narrative right around the idea that robert did it for love it happens for reygar too even like they're like oh yeah reygar tore the realm apart for love right we see that that's how denarius interprets it uh that's allegedly what the show told us happened for some reason um and i think we see that jamie held those ideals of knighthood and heroism as very true for a long time i mean he was a kid and even now as we've

talked about his like kind of arrested development himself but not the show being able to fight a war over cersei for cersei's hand for cersei that's very much a very strong narrative about chivalry maybe in a way too or romance but like you know when it comes down to it he can't right and he gets judged for the heroism that he's done and you know he's wondering how come robert never gets judged for the heroism that he's done. And he's wondering, how come Robert never gets judged harshly? Because he's wrapped up in this strong narrative, right? As strongly as Jamie is. And it kind of also reminds me of the way that Stannis Baratheon feels about Robert.

Because Stannis is super angry. He's like, how come I can't just give people fucking water without them being like, mmm. And everyone's like, oh, Robert's the best. he's all like robert could pee in a cup and they would be like yeah i love this and for both jamie and circe as we get into later in this chapter i think it comes down to what we were saying about like those those narratives and being able to play out those stories that they wanted to because they didn't get what they feel were due based on the stories that they were told that the world tells them right and that's a big part of their disillusionment

for stannis a big part of it is like robert never acknowledges his accomplishments he feels and for jamie he's like oh well the world especially ned stark doesn't acknowledge the one good heroic thing i've ever done there's this line here like, I think it passing odd that I'm loved by one for a kindness I never did and reviled by so many for my finest act. When Jamie and Catelyn speak, and I call this out because I feel like this monologue from Jamie about what happened at King's Landing

is a sequel to the monologue that he gives to Catelyn Stark. They're both very similarly written in a way, you know, of like, so do you know what happened with brandon and rickard right and he explains everything and i think that the two are paired right like the first is with brandon and rickard's death especially because it's presented through caitlyn's pov i think is meant to establish for us not the goodness of jamie he says that himself he's like no i don't want you to think i'm good just because eris did this shit thing what it is is providing the foundation for like aries was terrible yeah we all talk about how he's mad around the seven kingdoms and he's like

but none of you know how terrible and cruel he actually was that's why we fought this whole war and then this monologue from jam Jaime is a sequel to that. It's the other side of like, hey, we already established Ares is horrible. This is him upping the stakes and expanding that cruelty to the rest of the city. And by the same token, like the counterweight to that is Ares is worse than you think. And it's Jaime is better than you think for the readers. I like that. And I like that it's also juxtaposed against like he only gives this

truth about aries when he's put up like to his limits right like here he is fevery but the tone's different because with brienne you would expect him to be a total condescending asshole about it like he kind of was with lady stark right like he wasn't really sensitive about how he gave her this information he's like oh you want a story bitch bitch? I'm going to give you a story. But with Brienne, she is the one that's pushing him. And she's like, tell me, tell me, what are you saying? Why would you say that? Blah, blah, blah.

Give me the proof. Give me the fucking receipts, dog. And he kind of is his chance to confess at his height of his fever of his biggest crimes. And I think it's just such an interesting little bit that like he's pressed to do it at these moments right like he would never have done it under any normal circumstances but here he is either fevery and dirty and drunk or you know in a pit yeah in a bathhouse and this is how it happens the circumstances are very similar both it's like his lowest points or whatever when he has no power because i don't know i'm gonna be real jamie has big bottom energy and he says it you know to one of to brienne big romantic interest

and i'm not gonna act you know into cait Catelyn Stark. Big hate fuck potential. I mean... So anyway, Jaime tries to make a fist. He remembers his hand is gone, and pain shoots up his arm. Brienne argues Robert wrote to save the realm, but Jaime continues to go off. He's like, my brother set the Blackwater afire, and he says Aerys would have bathed in that wildfire if he could. The Targaryens were mad for fire. He begins to feel lightheaded and not himself and he eases lower into the water speaking through his fever. At first he speaks a little nonsense toward her, first about how he wore

his gold armor as we noted before and then about Ares exiling the dancing griffins. He launches into a lot of good stuff like why he and then he wonders why he's telling this absurd ugly child all of this because you love her pretty much because no one's ever let you because you want your mommy kind of i mean that's pretty much what's happening men um so i thought this like language that that he calls him Dancing Griffins here was interesting and weird. Like, just fucking call him John Connington, dude. But, like, keep calling the other guy Rosart. Or Crayola. Anyways, um, you don't actually get John Connington mentioned throughout the story until A Storm of Swords, so, like, this book. book and i do think that george only fleshed him out slash conceived him in between clash and storm but again it's weird that he calls him dancing griffins i'm like what's up here because it feels similar to the language of how the reeds talk about the people going on at the tourney at harrenhal he's like yeah and the wolf maiden did x thing right it's the language you use to talk about the rebellion.

Yeah, they're all, like, related stories. So it's one way that it codes you, like, hey, these all are part of the same canon. And then after, like, Jaime starts it all off there, I feel like his language starts to devolve, right? And more of himself, his own voice starts to come out.

He started out with this language of the rebellion but also this language of fairy tales uh it almost was like he was distancing himself only to come back and be like actually i'm a part of this story too you know and making the case for why in this fairy tale with dragons and griffins he thought that as a dragon slayer he'd be the hero and then next thing he knows he's like wait hold on why am i the villain that is really interesting considering uh jamie is not the hero like he wants to be or like he wanted to be absolutely you kill the dragon you get the girl and then life is good yeah you kill the dragon you're like the girl, and then life is good. Yeah, you kill the dragon, you're like, is that, nope, that's St. George, not St. Patrick. I missed it.

Oh, sorry. Say St. Patrick. You're doing great. I thought I had something there. I thought I really did. He remembers the king putting pressure on Luan Martell, one of his Kingsguard members, reminding him that Elia and her children were

in his control, and sending Luan to command the 10,000 Dornish spears in the King's Road. Yeah, this detail, I feel that Jaime throws it in and remembers it, especially because Aerys pulled the same shit right on Tywin and is like, hey, I got your son, Jaime, he's right here. Yeah, absolutely. The same hostage stuff stuff and it exists to remind you of Ares's cruelty absolutely and him using that power over other people in many ways wrong ways but it also makes me wonder if there are certain implications for the future it might have right like especially with the the hostages in Meereen for example um makes me think about that a little bit I'm not sure if that detail kind of pops out because of that this time.

Derry and Selmy are sent off to rally men at Stoney Sept, and Rhaegar arrives back at King's Landing, convincing his father to bring Tywin back into the fold. But Tywin never responds to Aerys' summons. Aerys becomes afraid. Tywin just left it on like red. Red, total red. Seen.

Seen. becomes afraid tywin just left it on like red total red he's seen saint various was in his ear to make sure he didn't miss seeing any traitors and aries became more and more paranoid commanding wildfire caches be placed throughout king's landing lord chelsted flavor of the day hand of the week grew suspicious at the pyromancers coming and goings and he confronted aries jamie had thought that chelead was craven until then, and Chelstead begged and threatened until finally he quit, flinging his hand chain onto the floor. Ares had him burnt alive and handed the chain to Roseart, the crayon company,

Roseart, to the pyromancer Roseart, the very man who helped cook Rickard stark into a tender rack of ribs oh my god you really did that i did i thought it was important actually uh did you think that that part was important was that important to you chloe to say that to like it the record to ribs i think it was brian of farce who sometimes comments on our pod bean post he commented and said Chloe wrote or Ewan said Chloe wrote that about something about barbecuing

Rickard. Oh no that's Jimmy. Oh that's what it was yeah and they were like we know I do think it's important to point out Jamie thought Chalcedon was craven but Chalcedon still had the gall to call Ares out that's a really important kind of like, oh, Jaime

is noticing that about somebody that maybe he was wrong about his feelings, originally. Yeah, it's I think important here, especially because, like, yeah, as you said, he commends him for that. Ned certainly wasn't Craven, right? But it makes me think of

Ned Stark when he was telling Robert, like, why did we go to war if not to stop the deaths of children? And Robert internally is like, I don't know, a pretty face? Pride? A kind? I'm joking. But it goes to show that Chalcedon was in many ways

morally bankrupt by just following Ares, but at least he did the right thing here right trying to stop blowing up all of king's landing and refusing to be parts of this part of this maybe hoping that hey if i'm not part of this chain maybe it won't even go through it might like all fall apart which i understand you know sometimes a good project manager they're gone you're like fuck i don't know what we're doing you know you lose one important person chelsea was like maybe i'm important but you know i would argue that he didn't know you we're doing. You know, you lose one important person. Chelsea was like, maybe I'm important. But you know, I would argue that he didn't know, you know,

is kind of what it seemed like. He just didn't know how bad it was until he was finally in the hand seat. And he said, oh, fuck, this guy's crazy. And he was like done in a week. Yeah, that's true. He wasn't, he wasn't hand very long, you know, you're right. And so, I mean, for him to do it that early on does also, to an extent, speak to his moral character. But yeah, I mean, for him to do it that early on does also, to an extent, speak to his moral character. But yeah, I mean, and it goes to show like, you know, Chelsea did it, Ned did it. And I mean, we've like cast some aspersions on Barrison before, but like, Barrison could have done it, but he didn't. But that's the thing. It's like, yeah, he's doing his job, but how do you praise someone for doing their job when the job's bullshit, right? Like, I had a manager who was working at the place I work, and he came in and said, hey, you guys are great at being firefighters, but you're not good at doing your own jobs. You guys have been fighting fires for so long, instead of doing your actual job that you're not doing your job now. You're just like living to emergency which is very true total total shit job but um but it's that kind of same thing right like i don't know and i don't it's like barriston followed the rules but the rules aren't right i think that's the whole point of the whole series but i digress and i mean jamie knows that for sure right obviously

because that's what he's going off about right now and that's true chelstad did it he burnt for it but he had the gumption to stand up and do what was right which makes me think of sam again i know we talked a little bit about sam last episode and i don't know why he's coming up in jamie's plot so much but with his cravenness he reacted and stabbed another in his cowardice right uh it may have been out of shock but he also has the gall to stand up to john in the books yeah he's he's like neville longbottom he is the neville longbottom absolutely and i'm hoping for a glow up in book six for him you know he doesn't know that he's glowing up but he is but puberty is gonna treat him good i mean like like you said sam comes up there

are those ties and i think part of it is like george was trying to do something with this book and that's why both sam and jamie suddenly get povs right he's like this works i guess but yeah chelsea burned for it but he stuck by what he believed yeah which is let's not burn the city but you know who couldn't because they were all sent away the king's guard except for jamie tywin's son aries's pet lion aries distrusted him but he's like i don't know i kind of need this right i can just use this as a hostage maybe he can't do anything and he's like varies keep an eye on this one. Because you know what? The fuck is Ares going to do whenever he wished? And Jaime heard everything.

Yeah, he remembers the lust in the pyromancer's eyes when Ares had rolled out his plan for the placement of Wildfire. And he remembers word reaching court of Rhaegar's fall in the Trident and how Ares immediately packed up Rhaella and Viserys off to Dragonstone, but forbade Elia, thinking that Luin had somehow betrayed Rhaegar, and keeping Elia and Aegon and Rhaenys underfoot could help keep Dorne loyal in his eyes. The traitors want my city, I'd heard him tell Rosart,

but I'll give them naught but ashes. Let Robert be king over charred bones and cooked meat. We're hungry. day six of quarantine ribs we're recording this around dinner time so yeah again I can't help but think of Rosart crayons I just want to say Rosart

put out a wildfire green color um rose art sponsor us um also there was a line i don't know where it was that was like but the queen's eyes had been closed for a long time and it seemed like it was insinuating that the queen usually has her own something like a master of whispers that's it interesting we're talking about rayella for like a split second who we can talk about aries whomst rayella was she a character what'd she do birth some people die that's so sad let's move on i'm just kidding um sorry i just sometimes you gotta have a resentful moment you gotta be bitter about about like, you know, Riella. I'm not bitter. Aerys thought the wildfire would transform

him, maybe rebirth him as a dragon, but he was wrong. Ned Stark led Robert's vanguard south, but the Lannisters got to King's Landing first. Pycelle convinced Aerys that Tywin was there to support him, and opened the gates against Varys's warning.

The trident in Rhaegar's fall had convinced Tywin to join the winning side. Jaime sent one of his men to ask leave and make terms with his father, but Aerys was like, how about you bring me Tywin's head if you're no traitor? The messenger tells Jaime that Rosart

was with Aerys, and Jaime's like, oh, I know what that means. It's barbecue time. Jaime slays Rosart first he slays Ares before Ares can find someone else to get his message and then he hunts the rest of the men down days later he thinks Belisse offered gold

Garagus wept for mercy. Mercy interesting I've never really noticed this line before but like dude no one fucking cared or knew that jamie was just like i'm going i'm going out i'm gonna just go kill these guys right he's just going full-on vigilante right here i mean he already did in a way but no one thought to check up on what happened to those dudes and jamie's like yellow well you get the parallel of like

tyrian cooking simon, right, in a bowl of brown, but this actually reminds me of Arya, usually, whenever I read it. It brings Arya's kill list to my mind, which is great, since we bring up Arya in this chapter in a little bit, and it also reminds me of Stoneheart's vengeance, in a way.

And maybe this is just that talk of mercy being thrown around with Garragas weeping for mercy, but it really just brings them to mind here. I mean, it kind of, it makes sense because Jaime thinks, oh, the sword is more merciful than fire or something like that. And it's very similar to what Arya learns about mercy. Yeah. When Jaime opened his eyes, he found himself staring at the stump of his sword hand, the hand that made me kingslayer. found himself staring at the stump of his sword hand the hand that made me kingslayer the goat had robbed him of his glory and his shame both at once leaving what who am i now oops okay so this

is like a reread podcast so everyone we all know that jamie gets a golden hand at some point he talks in this moment you know that that about, like, his hand being both his glory and shame. That line in the language there really reminds me of another song in this book. Speaking of Simon Silvertongue, for she was his secret treasure, she was his shame and his bliss. For hands of gold are always cold. Is that how the tune goes? I think it's, like, softer. Hold softer hold on let me get ed sheeran on it for hands of gold we're always cold i need an acoustic guitar does anyone have their acoustic

i can go get my nope you are sure not gonna okay yeah no it's totally like a nod to that the glory and shame to that which is why of course there are many of us still sitting in that valen car camp and not settling for the the truth that we had this summer you know still waiting waiting for that book i still think it'd be funny if it were terrian it'd be fucking hysterical because then we would just be like it ain't that deep guys this whole podcast is canceled for me i think it was funny because I'd be like, dude, Cersei was right. And that has never happened. That feels fun to me.

Well, it's happened once-ish. But every now and then, Cersei's right and it's always fascinating. So I would be excited if she were right for a split second and be like, damn, congrats. You did it. Brienne clutches her towel speechlessly in response to his story and asks why no one knows this if it's the truth and Jaime tells her that the Kangsguard are sworn to keep the Kangs secrets also none of them were there and most of them died anyway but she's asking him to break his oaths by asking this and he laughs at her and is like do you you think Honorable Ned would listen to me? And he jumps to his feet. By what right does the wolf judge the lion? By what right? He smashes his stump trying to climb

out and the room spins. Brienne catches him and yells for the guards. The Kingslayer! Jamie, he thought. My name is Jamie. You gotta know your name. You gotta know your name. That's not my name is Jamie you gotta know your name you gotta know your name that's not my name that's not my name that's not my name we should do that they call me Reek they call me Theon

but Theon's my name you're right I think this is one of those iconic lines in this book by what right does the wolf judge the lion? By what right? Partially because it comes in this very iconic scene. Whatevs.

It reminds me again of Tywin and his line later on, or at some point, of a lion doesn't concern itself with the opinion of sheep, which is kind of a riff on Virgil. And, you know, lions and wolves, right? They're kind of very equal because Virgil's line is, it never troubles the wolf how many the sheep may be. And I found when I was like Googling this line for some reason, this great Quora answer from David Schrauger, English literature, like English literature major at what was it, Seattle University or something. And he has this great,

major at, what was it, Seattle University or something. And he has this great analysis, but I love the ending of it, of like punctuating it of by what measure does a wolf judge a lion? And David says by the same measure by which they judge themselves as harshly as they

judge themselves. That stare across the throne room didn't offend Sir Jaime so much because it came from Lord Eddard Stark, rather it is because it came from Lord Eddard Stark. Rather, it is because it confirmed the judgment Jaime had already made about himself. Oh, there's your projecting.

Yeah. Very, very nice. Very deep. Thank you, David. That's actually really good. On Quorra. There's some good stuff on Quorra. I don't actually go there often. I don't Quora. There's some good stuff on Quora. I don't actually go there often. I don't understand it. There's not that much good stuff, though.

I don't really understand. Every once in a while, I'll read a good one, but then I get them to my promoted email box and I'm like, what is happening on Quora? You know, like maybe they should quarantine it. Whoa, social distance with Quora. quarantine it whoa social distance with Cora um but yeah like in his analysis David talks a lot about you know how the two are the same in terms of what honor costs them like honor costed Jamie I guess his hand and Ned his life but I think the way I see it is it's less what honor costs them but it's more of what being dishonorable got them and how being dishonorable was actually in some ways the right thing because yes the wolf and lion are very much

equal that's why jamie's like why are you fucking judging me like the wolf's not they as we've talked about like the north is full of nobility that also not so noble at times right just as Jamie's wondering like okay why why is this guy judging me when like no one's judging Robert for holding a whole rebellion dude you fucking rose up against the throne like what were you planning on doing

here in the throne room and Jamie's just like being judged for finishing the job and he's like why is that honor more important than the actual actions that led to this, same as Jaime, this dishonorable thing. Right? He fights the Kingsguard and he brings dishonor upon himself by quote unquote fathering a bastard and living with that and all these other things. And yeah. I mean, that's what Jaime has to to do too he has to go on pretending they're not his kids that's true and that's is that the dishonorable thing to do or the honorable

thing to do actually unsure i mean what's honor compared to a horse oh my god um also one last thought and i'm just gonna leave this here briefly Jamie, as he's doing all of this confessing, right, and as we start to see like who he really is and his motivations behind murdering Ares and how Ares was terrible, it's kind of like a rebirth for Jamie. And like, obviously, he isn't born the next day as like, Aemon the Dragon Knight come again or anything, right? He's not in that kind of situation. But it is a rebirth. This completely changes his frame of thinking. And we are going to see that quite obviously in the next couple chapters, which are some really good work in A Storm of Swords.

I was going to say some of the best chapters, but there's some really killer no pun intended chapters coming up here there's a lot of really good chapters in storm just in general oh yeah i mean all of it when jamie comes to brienne is standing naked amidst kyburn and the guards and kyburn is asking what he's been fed he says worms and piss and gray vomit the guards are like hard bread and water and oat porridge you are so dramatic he's like spoiled ass rich boy we've talked a lot about that symbolism of brienne as a mother but if this is jamie's rebirthing brienne just gave birth to him i think i've

already said that during this so brienne birth jamie lannister again um so just chew on that for a minute there's a chewing's an interesting, there's an interesting distinguishment made here. Maester Qyburn, Jaime thinks that he's a maester with, he thinks Maester Qyburn and he thinks, no, he's a maester without a chain, which is interesting coming from Jaime, who is a sword without a sword hand now, right? And the fever seems to be blurring those lines to him because this chapter is very much so like Ned's fever chapters when he had the leg injury, but now Jaime has the hand injury.

And the fever is blurring those lines. And Qyburn's strong command of the men here, how he asserts himself among these men and among these servants, plays out later because he comes to service at King's Landing with that reference on his resume. Yes. these men and among these servants plays out later because he comes to service at king's landing with that reference on his resume yes he is he is a reference um but i think that's a really really great connection again between jamie and ned we could have put jamie's chapters after ned's chapters i know we fucked up he no i don't know he fits in so well in so many places like brienne's virgin

yeah and apparently i guess his sister's thighs but not anymore who knows so speaking of like brienne taking on that sort of motherly role like she jumps up in this moment to care for jamie and it reminds me of another mother and uh catelyn when at the beginning of the story right she doesn't mind being nude in front of luan because all of a sudden something very urgent is happening and i i thought that was worth comparing because brienne as we see in her interactions with catlin very much admires what she sees as like sort of cat's woman's bravery or something or woman's courage that is a really great call and there's something about that whole like leaving your body behind with your physical response showing the true strength for these two something disassociative

in that way like how catalan acts in the face of the assassin and she immediately goes to defend bran uh without even thinking you know of what it's going to cost her and brienne later with no chance no choice uh there's really something strong in that woman's bravery there and in that moment they're just like whatever my body's not gonna hold me back it's not something to be ashamed of but Qyburn is like hang on Jaime's still dirty

let's scrub him and then you can bring him to Kingspyre the largest tower in Harrenhal that Roose claims as his own Roose is a size queen he is and it's not too famous of a tower for the most part but there are a couple things historically that happened here and you know who landed on that very tower with their very dragon hoobst damon targaryen in the dance actually i didn't know that yeah this is uh right before the battle over the god's eye

pretty much he landed at that tower that fateful night and just a fun fact since i uh satan as the internet knows me of i've compared jamie to damon before over on twitter and i'll chat with you guys on it now because why not some of these qualities really come out when we think about that whole discarded 1993 role in the outline uh which george you know passed jamie's role to cersei it kind of seems where he kills everyone in front of him to sit the throne not too far off base with damon to be fair uh they're both princes of the city who were more than a little chuffed at being set aside right uh damon is set aside in honor of his niece as it as the heir who uh he then kind of tried to get in her pants and give

her some presents and, you know, later married her within six months of his wife, Lena, dying and her husband, Lena Valerian, dying. Anyways, carry on. But with or without that outline, both are prestigious fighters. Daemon is regarded as one of the best warriors of his time and Jaime, the best swordsman of his own. Both were originally promised or married to someone they didn't really want to marry, right? Rhea Royce for Daemon. Jaime almost married Lysa, but the circumstances are a little different. They found themselves in incestuous relationships later in life, right? With three bastards that have claims to the throne hanging on. Interesting. Both have some missteps when it comes to the enemy's children. You think of

Bran versus Blood and Cheese with Helena's children, and they both run parts of the city. Jaime the Kingsguard, Daemon the Goldcloaks, though Jaime's gold is also kind of what runs the city, right? Although they're both reviled for horrible acts, the redeeming parts of their character

have seemed to come not just from them, but from characters who bring it out of them. Nettles and Brienne of Tarth are not to make too much of a generalization, but totally the most beloved parts of these characters, right? They're characters that want to do good, and they motivate these guys to be better.

Glossing over all the stuff with Nettles, like how he took her as a bedmaid when she was 17, and maybe his bastard daughter, where he can just gloss over it. We get it. You're wearing a sexy motorcycle leather jacket, Damon. While their hearts kind of say something different, after Jaime's season 8 ending,

they both didn't stay with the woman who gave them the change of heart. Rhaenyra wanted Nettles dead. Jaime regressed. I'm sure Cersei may not want Brienne alive either. They return to their hateful love they face their death maybe it's a stretch i'm curious to see if there's a similar ending for jamie as damon and that like he does get better but the good act doesn't wash out the bad

like we know and that change isn't easy and it's not always possible so i i think it's interesting that damon dies at age 49 doing his duty to the queen he chose, even though he grew hateful while her birthright was stolen and trampled. Yeah, I think, as you said, with the 93 letter, it seems like there's a lot of ideas that maybe George had that he was like, all right, I can finally do this here in the dance where I put in all those ideas. We had talked about before in our episodes on the dance of the Dragon Civil War on Patreon, how there's a lot of... I mean, Rhaenyra seems like a lot of other characters, right? She has similarities to a lot of them, as does Alyson. Both of them are very similar to Cersei in a couple different ways, including Rhaenyra.

So I think having Daemon as that counterpart there is, I think you're definitely onto something. I don't know it almost seems like though because Daemon is sort of a repository for like proto-Jaime. I don't know that Jaime goes exactly the way it does in season 8.

I think something happens. It's not going to be good, especially with the Valonqar prophecy if that is him fulfilling it. I don't think that'll be seen necessarily as heroic and yeah and i don't think it's i think that's something that should be complicated because right now you know people are somewhat rooting for it because circe is unambiguously still a villain in feast uh and dance so well and i think that that if the valon car goes down like you and i have discussed here um i think the important part is that like it shouldn't make you feel happy or good like you shouldn't be like yes choke that bitch out it needs to be something grotesque

something that makes you think because um same thing with like john and danny if that's something that's real then it needs to make you think and it needs you to feel uncomfortable because that's the point of this book isn't for you to be happy that brienne and jamie have six children and get married and they live in a farmhouse um that's not the story that we're reading right like it needs to be something that yeah flips the switch so i don't know if it'll be wildfire or what makes him go back to Cersei, but I have a whole vision of how it plays out. Yeah.

And I mean, like, spoilers to Hunger Games, even if they had that, like, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a happy ending either, right? Yeah. I actually did really respect that. I liked that ending. Yeah, I think the- I thought that was a respectable ending. The PTSD that they suffer and, like and how it affects them is really interesting.

And I think that is a good comparison to make in this situation. When we're looking at fiction that's not youth fiction. I mean, that's really young adult fiction. Nothing like that in a way. This gets to be just as mature, though, as some of the later books really dive into. Dude, The Hunger Games was serious. Very psychologically fucked up. Yeah.

Yeah. I respect it but kyburn respects it but also doesn't you know he's all like i want this all done quickly says that lord bolton sits on dinner with jamie and you know what time is running out yeah brianne volunteers to scrub him down and the guards are like all right off they fuck uh brianne gets her towel and a brush to scrub him with and trims his beard up and this is like super intimate fifth date material all of this which it is the fifth chapter so technically it is the fifth date but you guys haven't even really fucked

yet i mean but they kind of have as we established in jamie three wrong sword but it's still i mean like who are we to tell them that that was not sex but anyway um i would say that trimming someone's beard is not fifth date material that feels like way like i don't know like you're living in together already i mean they are they're bathing that's true you're right they've been living together, basically. You're right. Fairy Kyber Mother returns with some magical clothing. It's a loose green tunic and clean black britches. Congratulations on the leather jerkin'. Both Brienne and Jaime's outfit changes here. Get ready.

They remind me of Ned showing up to King's Landing, like we keep mentioning, and having to change into clothes that aren't actually his, and Jon as well. If you don't remember, that's in Game of Thrones, Eddard IV. So Ned had come striding into the council chambers, bone-tired and dressed in borrowed clothing, to find four members of the small council waiting for him. Very apt, they're about to have to go into a whole new scenario in clothes.

Those aren't their clothes, and we'll talk about them in just a bit. Brienne, who he thinks of as the wench, helps him dress, and she gets her own outfit, the only female clothing in Harrenhal, apparently, a stained pink satin gown with a linen under tunic. The gown does not fit. Brienne's too tall, too broad, and bruised for the dress. Jamie looks at her for the first time, thinking pink is not a good color on you. You look ridiculous, and you are far more muscular than I am. And the first thing I thought was, you

threatened, bro? Yes, but also, hard. Turn on. Yeah. Jamie, but I mean, like, also in this moment, you know, Jamie's just telling us that Brienne's undertones don't work with pink. You know? I have, after this, I thought way too hard

about this and should not have, but I was like, maybe Brienne's undertones are, like, yellow or, like, kind of gold, because maybe no one's remarked upon how she looks in, like, all of her Tarth gear, and so I imagine that her undertones go well with the blue of Tarth. Yeah, I imagine

the rich gem tones work really well with her i imagine she's a little more maybe yellow pink i don't know he thinks about making fun of her but he also knows she's stronger than him now since he lost his hand so maybe he should cool it kyburn gives him a flask of some vinegar honeyed licorice with cloves i don't know if this is like super sweet jaeger or what but sounds disgusting and he's like i don't know like what if i just don't do it and they're like fucking pound it nerd like just down this down the flask please jamie not good at taking shots but you know it maybe it works because he feels stronger in about half an hour, and the air is a

smack in the face compared to the steam he had been in. So he's, like, clutching Brienne's arm to get through the yard to the drafty huge hall. There are huge hearths lining the wall, more than he can count, he thinks, but none of the fires are lit. And this is like Harrenhal in a nutshell, first off.

But also, damn, damn ruse you are having guests over turn the front porch light on holy shit i mean this is just how he is i get it but holy shit yeah ruse is like but darkness though spearmen in fur cloaks guard the doors and steps up into the galleries and ruse is sitting dramatically amidst a slate floor, only a cupbearer serving him. This whole exchange is set up with just immaculate care. The first time you read this passage, you leave it not understanding that the game has changed. But George does this so delicately. The reader doesn't understand the exchange that occurs until it's too late and you see Rob dying.

Like, the first time you read it, you don't. So rereading it and getting to analyze it is so great because it's just this careful volley of words that Ruth starts with Brienne and Jamie. He tells Jamie he's pleased that Jamie's strong enough to attend him, and he just looks at Brienne and he's like, sit down.

He's like, oh, hello. There's a spread of meat and cheeses laid out for them damn he offers them both he's like I'm sorry I only have corner store white or red wine from Lady Wentz I don't know anything about it

Sir Amory Lorge drank a lot of it already he's like three buck chuck or Boone's Farm pretty much that's actually what's happening here and Jamie says he trusts that Bolton killed Amory or Boone's Farm. Pretty much. That's actually what's happening here. And Jamie says he trusts that Bolton killed Amory for this, though.

Mood. For drinking all the wine. And slides quickly into his seat, saying that, you know what, I'll just drink some red, like a good Lannister. He's like, white is for Starks, which... Well, not wrong. Huh? Brienne, though, chooses water. And Rooseuse is like i'll have my usual hypocris like

the fucking hipster that he is and his serving boy elmer fray goes off to get some drinks big warning big red flag uh ruse dismisses the guards as well and there's a lot of obvious color symbolism at play here right there's the purity of white and the blood red of Jamie's wine. But of course, one of the strongest parts of this to me is that Roos doesn't choose white or red wine. He's like, I won't drink three buck chuck. I won't drink Franzia. The Roos is loose.

I'm drinking Hippocras. And to me, that says that Roos is choosing his own game. He's playing his own game. He gave Jamie, here's your red or white option, but I'm not playing that game. And you know, he could have offered them Hippocras, right? He's like, he

withheld it. Because I looked it up, I guess Hippocras is like a sort of sweetened or spiced wine. And like, damn. Okay, in some ways, Bruce is a good host in a lot of other ways like actually ruse is a fucking terrible host how do you not offer that i mean that's his whole that's his whole thing though no one drinks it just him it's true that's true maybe no one else likes it and they're all like oh you weirdo uh jamie choosing the red wine here though speaking

of symbolism i kind of wonder if it's part of that larger like you know lies in arbor girl gold whoo whoo whoo um you know the lies in arbor gold theory that every time arbor gold comes up in the story there's a character lying i think one of the the most obvious examples of this right is that scene with little finger but is jamie choosing red wine here because he and ruse are like actually kind of telling the truth here not that jamie necessarily makes that choice because he's telling the truth but because like george is the writer and this is one of those easter eggs or whatever i think it does work to an extent um i think the specific lies in arbor gold theory does have to mention that it's arbor gold as the official lies in arbor gold mascot i have the uh i have the authority to tell you but i do think there's something here and i had this later i'm just gonna say it now i do think there's something here

especially with the the wine and the fruit uh offering the prunes offering the plums ruse is offering these fruits to him and it's a temptation right like if you imbibe and he talks in a bit about that whole idea that in the north we honor you know guest right but that's the game that's the joke he's offering these things and he's saying do you want to imbibe do you want to taste the forbidden fruit i'm offering you jamie lannister pay to play put your cards on the table let's go. Yeah. And I think, what, isn't Jamie like, no, I would not like the prunes. But some kinds of prunes, depending, you know, are in fact tasty.

And I just want to throw that out there. I totally agree. And they're very good for your bowels. As we get to note in this chapter, Jamie goes to reach for his wine with his right hand, which is no longer there. And he spills it everywhere and ruse is polite enough to not to notice pretending not to notice he's polite occasionally he instead invites jamie to try the prunes lord vargo brought and then uh tells them

that he worries about their bowels basically with these prunes jamie is like all right let's cut the shit bolton and he's like what are your intentions here and ruse is like you all right, let's cut the shit, Bolton. And he's like, what are your intentions here? And Roose is like, you're a perilous prize, Jaime. You sow dissension whenever you arrive anywhere as a prisoner. Edmure totally has offered a thousand gold dragons for you. And Jaime's like, Cersei would pay ten times more. And Roose is like, he smiles for a second. The smile fades.

And he's like, will she? Interesting. And he goes on. He's like, 10k in golden. And he goes on. He's like, 10k in golden dragons is a pretty hefty amount, but Lord Karstark will give his daughter to the man who brings Jaime's head to him. So,

I don't know. Some interesting bluffing going here, right? Jaime goes, leave it to your goat to get it backwards, said Jaime. Bolton gave a soft chuckle. Harry and Karstark was captive here when we took the castle, did you know? I gave him all the Karhold men still with me and sent him off with Glover.

I do hope nothing ill befell him at Duskendale, else Alice Karstark would be all that remains of Lord Karstark's progeny. He chose another prune. I love this, especially because we just had the word from catelyn's chapters uh that a third of the force is gone destroyed in duskendale the north is not sitting pretty so this is all part of the game for him right he's sitting quietly amidst destruction ruse bolton drinks and he smiles and this man has everything and nothing to gain or lose in either direction. I love that Jaime says Cersei would pay ten times that here, but when it's said out loud, that's a pretty big amount of money that he's just throwing around. Like, the Lannisters are rich. The Hightowers rival their wealth, for example.

And we'll learn in the next chapter that 300 gold dragons is a really good ransom for a knight of a pretty popular house like Jaime. So to offer 10,000 dragons, little drastic, pretty big check, Jaime. And also, are you sure that Cersei will cash that check for you? Hmm. For a comparison, Robert gifted 10,000 golden dragons to the winner of the archery contest in the tournament, which we know who that was. So I guess it's chump change, the Lannisters. But in Tyrion IV, A Storm of Swords, we learn it's about one gold dragon for a large side of beef in the capital or for six skinny piglets or animals.

So I'd imagine that's like $5 to $10 in U.S. dollars, right? Like 100 meals for an average Westerosi family is what Jaime is just, like, often offering, like, oh, yeah, $10,000. Whatever. No big deal. I did the research so you guys don't have to. Thank you.

And, I mean, as you said, would Cersei pay it? I mean, you know, Cersei's not great at the whole Alanis always pays his debts thing. Right. She's not great about that. Um, Roos tells Jamie, you know what? I just threw that out there. I actually don't need a wife. I'm married.

Please congratulate me. I'm married to fat Walder Frey. He orders Elmar, one of the quote unquote treasures of that alliance, to tear off more bread for Jamie. Uh, yeah. Um, quote treasures of that alliance to tear off more bread for jamie uh yeah um brienne is like just sitting there tearing her own bread at the dance she's not allowed to be in on the fun reindeer games well not yet i think that's something really prominent here brienne's very much made

to be outside of this game she's not allowed to play or participate she's put in the position a lot of younger women in the story are like sansa and marcella they's not allowed to play or participate. She's put in the position a lot of younger women in the story are, like Sansa and Myrcella. They're not allowed to play the game that they're a piece of. And Brienne being shoved into this silly satin pink dress is an obvious show of that.

She's being presented uncomfortably like a Barbie doll or something. The dress is tight. It's constricting her from being herself. And by putting her in this dress, they're putting her in that typical Westerosi female role, the the docile submissive woman she's being told you are to be treated this way like a doll and that's made very clear by the chapter's ending that she has no rights

yeah absolutely they're trying to like remove power from her yeah reinforce those roles uh Bruce Bolton confirms rumors Jaime is heard he meets to give Lord Vargo Harrenhal as he must leave soon to go see Edmure wed to Rosalind Frey at the twins with his king and Jaime's like wait what Edmure's wedding Rosalind

and Bolton spits out his prune being like oh yes Jaime I have even more gossip for you you know Jane Westerling right and Jamie's like not really and he's like well she's your father's bannerman's daughter and Rob

married her and Jamie's like I don't really recall her but I guess her house is prideful they're not very powerful. Brienne tries to defend Robb. King Robb was sworn to wed a fray. He would never break faith. He- His grace is a boy of sixteen,

said Roose Bolton mildly, and I would thank you not to question my word, my lady. Jamie felt almost sorry for Robb Stark. He won the war on the battlefield and lost it in a bedchamber poor fool he said feeling sorry for himself uh i love this i love the way ruse bolton says it mildly like that is the most a ruse bolton should ever be uh it's the perfect power play

because ruse isn't shitting on the king that he is sworn to here. He is saying it's merely a, he's a boy of 16. They change their mind all the time. You know, he plays it really cool, but there's so many context clues and hints here that we just, no one has picked up on yet. And Jaime is so out of practice politically, obviously, that he like doesn't even,

it's going past him right now for a few more minutes um i love that rob gets brought into this i love that jamie projects a little bit they are feeling sorry for rob because this is a great point jamie was just a boy of 16 in this entire story we had recanted to us he broke his oath he was but a boy and it's the same thing as rob right like jamie is knighted and kings guarded age 15 right he gets up on there on his dais goes to the tourney he's like i'm great and they get sent back sent back away from harrenhal and when he comes back there's another boy that has just turned 16 literally rob just turned 16 right before he died in catalan 2 3 he just has turned 16 uh and he stands on the dais in catalan 2 and she looks at him and she thinks he's a boy no longer he is 16 now a man grown just look at him war had melted all the softness from his face and left him hard and lean he'd

shaved his beard away but his auburn hair fell uncut to his shoulders the recent rains had rusted his mail and left brown stains on the white of his cloak and surcoat or perhaps the stains were blood on his head was the sword crown they had fashioned him of bronze and iron he bears it more comfortably now he bears it like a king i thought that was great especially considering john's comments about what a king should look like when it comes to jamie in a game of thrones and there's also this line from the fall of the dragons the year of the fall spring in the world of ice and fire about the tourney of harrenhal and jamie's uh being sworn in from the king's guard the young knight said his vows before the royal pavilion kneeling on the green grass in his white armor as half the lords of the realm looked on when sir gerald hightower Yeah. their shoulders but the one mistake that the entire world saw as a mistake uh has come to

pass the judgment on them yeah and i think those are all really really good threads that you're drawing between the two i mean there's just 16 and i think a big part of the story is like you know this is what happens when you put responsibility and try and thrust adulthood onto children uh yeah we talked about it a lot in the sansa's chapters but the whole part of rob just being 16 and making this mistake jamie being just 16 making mistake but also the right choice you know he thought that it was going to be fine that he was going to be the hero it also makes me think of another teenager who will be king

who's going to look like a king who's going to probably make another mistake not quite in the bed chamber but also in the bed chamber you know both people may or may not see it as a mistake but wedding Arianne Martel I do think that Aegon VI but wedding Arianne Martel I do think that Aegon VI

yes will wed Arianne Martel well and something that comes from that is like in my opinion Arianne's going to pull the trigger right before before the trigger should be pulled obviously that has to happen it'll probably be a little bit of Quentyn that influences

her and it'll also be because again pay to play that's power you know you it'll also be because again, pay to play. That's power. You know, you want a voice at the council. Well, pay to play. Um, I'm interested to see how that goes. And this also makes me think while you were saying a boy King at first, I didn't realize you were talking about Aegon because it was making me think of another boy King, uh, Sir

Jaime in his current state, Jaime the broken. Anyways. So the word game starts being played again between these people jamie's like how does lord walder like fish instead of wolf bolton says that trout makes for a tasty supper but poor el it does it does poor elmar was supposed to wed aria stark and walder broke the betrothal when betrayed. Brienne leans forward, interrupting immediately, and asks about Arya's welfare. She asks if Roose has specific knowledge of Arya being alive, and he kind of shrugs and he's like, she was lost, now she's found. She's being returned to the north. We know that isn't really Arya. Brienne interrupts that her sister has to go

as well with her, and that Tyrion has promised us, Reed, the North, which is the same North she kept saying, I'm not siding with them. But now it turns out she is. Their safe passage in exchange for Jaime. Roose is like, I can't believe I have to tell you this right now, honey, but the Lannisters are literally all liars. It's the best line in the whole fucking chapter. He's like, oh oh my god he like puts his hand out i am so sorry to have to tell you this but the lannisters honey oh they're liars

they're liars oh but ruse loves being the one to tell he's a messy bitch who loves drama he actually is like ruse bolden would not make all the choices that he does make he makes a lot of messy, dramatic choices. He would not do that if he was not that. So, anyways, Jamie asks, like, wait, excuse me? Is this a slight of my honor? Threatens him with a cheese knife, hoping that he looks strong. And Roose Bolton smiles again, like, oh, honey, once more.

Reminds him that, oh, my guards are all around you. And Jamie's like, I can take him. And he's like, no, you can't. All right. Jamie's like, you know what? You'll he's like, no, you can't. All right. Jamie's like, you know what? You'll be as dead as Ares by the time they reach me. And Lord Fulton's like, excuse me. And just responds.

He responds very politely with like, threatening your dinner host is not chivalrous. Also, the North has these hospitality laws that we hold very sacred. He said. Allegedly. Jamie reminds him of his captivity and the goat taking his hand off and ruth is like you would make a great wedding gift to edmure or perhaps a

head in place of eddard's head and he goes on and obviously lannister and middy is meaning little to bolton but jamie's like lannister friendship could mean a lot and realizes the game they're now playing and he can't look he refuses to move to see if Brienne is understanding. Roose tells Elmar to carve the roast after saying he doesn't know if he wants to be friends with the Lannisters. Brienne gets the first serving but she does not move to eat. She firmly interrupts again repeating Jamie is supposed to be exchanged for the Stark sisters, but Roose says Brienne is guilty of freeing Jaime in the Riverlands and guilty

of treason. She argues that she serves Lady Catelyn, but Roose says he serves the King in the North, a higher authority, or the King who lost the North, he says, and the King who lost the North does not wish to trade Jaime for his sisters. His worthless sisters.

God damn. Jaime tells Rhea okay, chill the fuck out and eat, alright, Roose Bolton's not gonna kill us. And then in this moment he realizes that he can't cut his meat, he feels worthless, and he actually thinks that he's worth less than a girl

now, in that condition Cersei gives the Stark girls, and the condition that Circe returns the Stark girls in may or may not be good. Like murdery or caught up or dead. In fact, they're actually sending them into some bad situations, but we'll get to that someday, right? Jaime thinks that he's going to get the blame for the Stark girl's condition too, probably. And Roose is cutting his own meat.

The blood running down his plate. Great Bolton imagery. Our knives are sharp. Our sharps are knife. That's right. Yeah. Sharps are knife. He asks if Brienne will sit the fuck down if Bolton tells her they can go along their way like Lady Stark desired.

And she sits down saying, okay, yeah, that's cool. But there is one issue. Jaime's hand is that issue. He tells Jaime why Vargo really cut it off. Vargo abandoned the Lannisters because Roose offered him Harrenhal. A reward greater than anything Tywin could give him. But he's a stranger to Westeros and he didn't know that the prize was poisoned. I love this use of the term prize being poisoned,

because it reminds me of Euron, his gifts to Victarion, right? Those prizes that are so poisoned from Euron. And also the language used in Feast in Jaime 5 when he visits Jenna, they start talking about Riverrun, and she says that Riverrun is a poisoned prize because of all the heirs and the battling going on for it. Hmm interesting. Jamie jokes that he means the curse of Harrenhal but Roose Bolton is like no I mean the curse of Tywin. He says Vargo should have consulted the Tarbex or rains before cutting off jamie's hand

and jamie's like i don't get it there are none and ruse is like yes sweetie i'm trying to be dramatic while i monologue please keep up oh ruse is just so frustrated he's like no one here gets my jokes i get him ruse yeah we get we see you i understand you you. I guess we do. We're like, yeah, you guys, I don't understand. Rhys likes prunes. Prunes are great. Us. So earlier, you know, we were talking about how like Brienne may or may not realize the game being played, but now I'm not sure if it's like she doesn't realize or we are, this information is withheld from us, like how well Brienne understands some of the politics

because we don't look at her. But in general, we are seeing a lot of the underpinnings of the Red Wedding happening here. And Roose actually exhibits not only a great mind for gossip, but a very good mind for politics, connections, and the importance context has in terms of those politics, which is probably why he's so good at gossip now that I think about it. Anyways, a lot of it isn't said explicitly, because a lot of it is happening through these subtleties,

and a lot of politics, turns out, is rooted in those connotations. Because Vargo Hote and the Brave Companions are examples of that, because what he's showing here is that Vargo Hote knows the what of what should bequeath power in terms of Harrenhal. Obviously, this seems like a great prize, right? But because Vargo Hoth doesn't actually understand the whys or the how of Westeros and the history, etc.,

it ends up being a completely worthless castle for him. Also, now he's just incurred the wrath of Tywin Lannister, which was honestly pretty unnecessary on his part. And I think the best part about this is that all this information of how Vargo fucked up, Bruce is delivering it to Jaime and saying, so this is how Vargo fucked up.

And it's also like an invitation because Bruce is demonstrating, but do you know who does know the whys and hows of holding Harrenhal, of what it means? Hey, do you know who does know the whys and hows of holding Harrenhal? Of what it means? Hey, do you know who does understand how this game is? I do. I, Bruce Bolton, do. So play it with me.

It's literally him going, I'll get the chessboard out. Everything. The prunes. This is all in that invitation. You know, that strike a deal with the devil thing is going on here. And Jamie just understood. You look around and you're like oh he's all alone and there aren't really any uh any stark bannermen standing around

bruce doesn't have this place in name of stark he has it in name of ruse yeah the ruse is loose he's loose very loose absolutely um and ruse is over here being like I got loose lips I'm gonna sink some ships Vargo Hote was hoping that Stannis would win the Blackwater turns out and he's like yeah then he could sell for Harrenhal and turns out you know but on the wrong horse

or the wrong goat Stannis lost, Renly died and so it turns out now Stark is the only way that he can be saved from Tywin. He really fucked up, and that whole chance is starting to wear thin. And then Brienne gives her hashtag Stark support once more, saying, well, Rob, though, has won every single battle.

Roose corrects her, no, he lost the phrase the Karstarks winterfell in the north. And that's exactly where the penny drops. If Rob lost the phrase the Karstarks Winterfell in the north. And that's exactly where the penny drops. If Rob lost the phrase the Karstarks Winterfell in the north, why is Roose here and why is there a phrase serving him? Yes, absolutely.

It all starts to come together. And Roose says Boys of sixteen always think they are immortal and invincible. An older man would bend the knee i think after a war there is always a peace and with peace there are pardons for the robb starks at least not for the likes of vargo hote bolton gave him a small smile both sides have made use of him but neither will shed a tear at his passing the brave companions

did not fight in the battle of blackwater yet they died there all the same so something that i have noticed when reading this and i did not notice this until this time that last sentence that bolton says both sides have made use of him but neither will shed a tear at his passing they did not fight in the battle of blackwater, but they died there all the same. That's not about the brave companions anymore. It's about Rob. That's what he's saying. Both sides have made use of Rob, but neither will shed a tear at his passing.

Like he might not be saying Rob, he's saying the brave companions, but overall, he's pretty much showing Jamie what he's saying. Absolutely. Maybe Rob is a brave companion. Not these brave companions, but literally a brave companion in a way. Maybe the brave companions are the friends we made along the way. That we're social distancing from. Far away from each

other, yeah. Bruce lays all of the options out for Jamie. He could be delivered to Carhold out of the Lion's Claws. Dondarrion and his outlaws could get him. There are wolves. The mountain exists. Also, there are all these other Northmen, like the Karstarks.

House Derry is hunting him. So everybody. That's why Vargo Hope brought him here, because he was so afraid that Bruce would take his prize, he cut off Jamie's hand. So I really love this line from ruse of by naming you he meant to remove your sword as a threat gain himself a grisly token to send to your father and diminish your value to me for he's my man as i am king rob's man thus his crime is mine or may seem so in your father's eyes and therein lies my small difficulty he gazed at jamie his pale eyes and blinking expectant chill

very chill even jamie is afraid of him again we talked about this last week but like even jamie's like this guy's fucking creepy yeah but i mean like how can you not be intimidated by him he's got like the latest drinks the latest fashion very fashion forward he knows all the hot gas oh my god he's a big foodie jamie so so we were talking about it earlier you know he doesn't necessarily explicitly always think about being a man but it's obviously part of how he views the world because he also is like oh i'm worth less than a girl now because i can't fucking cut my meat

or whatever and i think you can see that here in a way like throughout this chapter you see that without his arm you know jam Jamie doesn't have power anymore. He was a little threatening before, even though he was a prisoner, right. Coming from Riverrun. Yeah. But now he's just a hostage and he's become very much a commodity.

And that's what comes through in the language of like, oh, and you're totally willing to pay this much for you. And they're like, well, seriously, we'll pay this much for him. You know,

as though he were like some sort of bride to be sold and these are dowries or something and it comes through in vargo hoping to diminish as he says jamie's value to spulton it's like this this very transactional language of products and i find this i think i think it's very striking to me right because like a lot of it is of course in the context of war and in the context of war and armed conflict like sexual violence is very much used as a weapon uh it's used in genocide and it's the reasons behind it of course are rooted in misogyny and patriarch it's very often wielded against women and girls but not always and a lot of the reasons why that happens has to do with like this desire one of

them there are many reasons why it happens to humiliate the enemy uh regarding their inability to protect quote-unquote their women because women are seen as the guardians of honor or something in a society within like those social constructs of like patriarchal societies and for some it's seen as a quote-unquote reward for bravery. We see that with the Dothraki, kind of just feeling entitled to take women. And the harm that's done,

one of the ways that it happens is very similar to the way that or to the reasons why Alicent sought to end the practice of the First Night. First of all, it's incredibly damaging to people. Second of all, like a community or people will reject a woman after

she's experienced sexual violence even though they're the victim because now she's seen as soiled or her value or whatever is diminished for having been assaulted. And there's a lot of that language here for Jamie's story and something of that

feminization for it uh chloe said earlier that emasculation which i think is really interesting again in the context of cersei's story where she's yearning for manhood and keeps trying to put on the trappings of what she thinks masculinity is and you know you have jamie like fainting now as stereotypes sometimes attributed to women and brienne actually is the one who stops feeling shame about her body to catch him she's the one who is humiliated by jamie jamie for her inability to protect him and he even throws like you couldn't even protect renly right so she's taking on that role and it's all underpinned in this context of jamie now being commodified in the same way that the stark girls were and they're very much looming over this conversation

yes absolutely and i think this is probably something that really makes jamie wanting to well wanting brienne to go rescue the stark girls so much more of a priority than it was before because he realizes now what it's like to be sold he's never had to realize that look at aria with uh the the entire group here on the riverlands she's getting sold back to her own family until sandor kidnaps her yeah the whole time even when jamie knew he's kind of being sold as a hostage he had some comfort in that like well if i could just get a sword i can get myself out of this i can do what i want right i'm jamie lannister kingsguard extraordinaire kingslayer extraordinaire also whatever but yeah jamie is starting to catch

that double meaning in this conversation though um ruse wants him to tell tywin he had nothing to do with this that's really what it is ruse wants a get out of jail free card and jamie's like okay deliver me back to my sister lover and i'll do it and ruse is like all right i'm trusting you and jamie's like that's weird what is this feeling this feeling that someone has trust within me no one has ever had that feeling jamie's been feeling a lot of new feelings this chapter when jamie is strong enough speaking of feelings accordingyburn, he will leave with Walton, aka Steelshanks, the railway cat. Steelshanks, the railway cat, the cat of the railway. Brienne's like, wait, what about me and the Stark girls? And Roose is like, Sansa is now married to Tyrion, so she will not be going anywhere without her lord husband.

And Brienne is reeling, and Jaime has this thought. She is such an innocent. Jaime was almost as surprised, truth be told, but he hid it better. Sansa Stark thought out to put a smile on Tyrion's face. He remembered how happy his brother had been with his little crofter's daughter. For a fortnight. I know. Oh, Jamie, you feeling some guilt there? Yeah.

Loved you for a lie, eh? You know, there's so many reveals. Jamie's story. Layers. Like an ogre, you know? Yeah, I don't think I ever noticed that in this chapter. I'm really glad that we pulled it out because I really don't think I noticed that at least obviously not the first time I read it. But that is some major like, oh, it all makes sense. His story is wrapped up in this reveal for Tyrion's. All of the foreshadowing for what's going to happen to Tyrion's character at the end of this book is nested in Jaime's own chapters.

Yes, absolutely. And we're gonna have a lot more of those, especially in Feast, I think. I think Storm is a lot more for Jaime to find himself right with Brienne. But I think in Feast is when it really, really is strong, especially juxtaposed against everything going on in Tyrion's crazy plot in Dance dance it's very good and and i mean we've brought it up before right that jamie's story needs to be seen in the same context as taisha's because that's what's happening here in this chapter right we got our hints we got our whole reveal like hey turns out jamie actually did a really good thing but underneath that you have the sinister undertone of wait what about this actually really horrible terrible

thing that he subjected this person to and it's being hinted at yeah ever since you said let's make sure we're looking at from taisha's point of view too that really changed a lot of the way i look at it because i think that is a pretty horrible crime like i mean that's akin to uh the jane pool stuff too and we'll talk about it then when we get to feast but it's the same thing like if if you know something say something and i'm not saying like liz lemon and 30 rock when she calls on her neighbor that definitely isn't actually like a terrorist or whatever but i'm saying like if you see something you should say something or do something and like look sansa stark is his last chance for honor, like, why didn't you try to care from the start, dude?

Yeah, and he was just as cowardly as all those other hands, I guess. You know, he was not better than Chelstead when it came to Tysha. No, Chelstead was a good man, honestly. He was okay. Better than the others. True, true. better than the others true true but before we end the chapter turns out Ruth Bolton has one more

sweet piece of hot gas for Brienne and this time it's actually about her Brienne you thought that you were going to keep going from Jaime to King's Landing but you are not I am giving you to Fargo Hote Ruth is like honey remember when I said the lannisters

lied earlier i lied too he didn't technically outright lie to her he just like didn't acknowledge her and then at the end was like by the way he does a lot of trickery right like there's like the whole like she asks if aria if he had aria for certain and he shrugs and he's like i found a girl she's going north and then same thing with that he says brienne if i tell you you and jamie are going to be able to go on your mission will you sit down and she's like yes i will and he's like good i told you yeah ruse is like he's a dizzying person to be around. And that's probably just because of the leeches, but... That's right. Didn't the

last chapter end with, like, he's into leeches? And Jamie's like, yeah. I'm sure he is. Fucking hipster ass. But... Well. That's it. That's our chapter. That's the end of Jamie forever. Just kidding. Next week is the big one.

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Ice and Fire special episode, so Ice and Fire fans, if you're listening today to Jamie, get ready for a new Song of Ice and Fire special episode. Stay tuned. Yeah, sorry, I really, like, shot the bed in that moment. I got you. I totally was there. Did you hear that? I, like,

just stepped up. Yeah, I did. I saw your face and you were like, what the fuck just happened? It's like that time you tried to fucking count us in. And I was like, no, you should never do that. What are you doing? And then I just choked. I was like, what is this? You guys.

I said three. That was it. Thank you so much for joining us. We're so happy that Eliana's back home with us. Thanks for listening, guys. You know me. I'm Chloe. You know me.

I'm Eliana. Goodbye. You should never have to count yourself in ever it's a crime you're too pretty to do things oh god oh poor beautiful scrumptious eliana you've never known rejection that's not true actually i've only ever been broken up with