Girls Gone Canon Cast - House of the Dragon S2E7: The Red Sowing

Episode Date: July 31, 2024

  SPOILERS: ASOIAF, F&B, KOT7K, TWOIAF, ETC Princess Saera herself was still alive and well in Volantis, and only thirty-four years of age; her own claim was clearly superior to those of any of her bastard sons, but she did not choose to press it. “I have my own kingdom here,” she said, when asked if she meant to return to Westeros. Join us for the penultimate episode of S2, the Red Sowing. We'll be LIVE with Direwolf City after the season finale, 8/4. Subscribe to them at: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVUTAOYvXNEU3zc3-G_uifA Check out our patreon where all members get early access to House of the Dragon episodes during the season @ patreon.com/girlsgonecanon Sound Effects from Pixabay "Night Vigil" "Big Drumming" by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ THANKS KEVIN!!

The The The The The Hello, and welcome to Girls Gone Canon Watches House of the Dragon. Season 2, Episode 7, The Red Sewing. I am one of your hosts, Chloe. And I am another one of your hosts, Eliana.

What the fuck? No spoilers yet, because we're going to tell you our spoiler policy, but like, what the fuck? I thought it was great. Everyone, I think a lot of people are having a good time. Apparently some people are not. Some people are still like, why is Ray Neera still there? Which, understandable, you can only do so much to an extent with what George wrote. That was the penultimate episode.

Next week is the ultimate episode of the season. Yes. Very excited for that ultimate episode. What do we do for spoilers? We're at the end of the season. You're gonna hear them, whether it's about the show, the books, including all published George R. R. Martin A song of ice and fire world books

not disincluding his other other works it could happen it could happen knowing us yeah it could happen both shows dragon show throne show chair chair show dragon book yep we're gonna be spoiling everything from fire and blood probably probably, and discussing it. So if you don't want that, if you don't want to know what's happening, come another time. You don't got to go home, but you do got to leave here. Yeah, but you can't stay here. You can do whatever you want. Yeah, if you want to be spoiled, come join us. Come join us.

If you want to be spoiled, come join us. Come join us. Something else that has a lot of spoilers in it in that same regard was our Patreon special episode for July 2024. Eliana and I got together to record a bonus episode for the Stranger tier and above at patreon.com slash girlsgonecanon. That's the $5 tier and up they get bonus episodes every month this past month was rainies the conqueror from her blood a theory crafting and discussion episode on the theory that the targaryen line comes from rainies and maybe not necessarily comes from Rainy's and maybe not necessarily Aegon.

Aegon number one. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. And on our Patreon you can also get access to our Discord, which once a month we do a brunch slash happy hour, brappy hour. The one for July has already happened.

But the one for August has not happened yet. That is going to be on, it's going to be on August 11th, so one week after the finale. So come join if you'd like, but if you want our thoughts, like live thoughts immediately after the finale, let us tell you. Oh my god, I'm so fucking pumped. It feels like tradition. Like we have to go over to their house during the hot D season. We're going to be on Dire Wolf City. Woo. Yes. We are going to be joining our friends at Dire Wolf City. We kicked off the first season with them and I think they've been having a blast. We've been having a blast this season. So excited to go rejoin our friends over there too i mean to do we haven't really gotten

to talk to them like much this season like on anything i just reply to people's like instagram stories and i'm like lol this meme is so funny i did that with ara today i was like lol right near his face alicia keeps sending me elden ring updates she's why she doesn't send them to me i'm the one playing elden ring why she's we'll tell her that next week live she's confused we'll tell her that she should be sending those things to you because i don't know what she's sending me because as you know i haven't fucking gotten out of the training anyways she's confused why you uh i'm really excited we'll post more we'll throw the link to the youtube channel and what time we'll be on there uh below it'll be exciting because we will be together so cute indeed and next week is the finale with with that in mind. So we will be closing up our main House of the Dragon episodes with episode 8, whatever it may be called.

We appreciate you listening this season and do hope that you'll check us out over on Patreon, or follow us on Twitter at Girls Gone Canon, C-A-N-O-N, or feel free to send your thoughts from the episodes to girlsgonecanon, C-A-N-O-N, or feel free to send your thoughts from the episodes to girlsgonecanon at gmail.com. After that, we will take probably a week off and Unleash the D will return for two final episodes. I think we'll unleash the guests that are on those episodes maybe next week during the finale.

So stay tuned one episode um i'm hearing the streets are saying maybe costume focused and aesthetics focused very excited about that and uh the other episode is with a dear dear academic friend of ours. A collegiate friend. Doctoral. So stay tuned for that. A magician. I'm very excited. I'm very excited. We've been exchanging thoughts throughout the season as well.

But back to this episode, the penultimate one. So as you all know, we've been watching the house that dragons built the the behind the scenes stuff so we'll be weaving in some of that info throughout our commentary but i just like i feel like they need an ending song for those little those little mini episodes i know that it doesn't need to have like a credits necessarily because we are seeing the people who would the credits would be about and crediting but i just like want i don't know it just ends so abruptly maybe you should write the song yeah i i will do so it's gonna be a little like house of the dragon these people made it like an

anime yeah these people made it they're all friends maybe anime theme songs they're all friends maybe till they're not till they're not but we're all gonna be friends again in the end that's how anime theme songs basically go in the gist of it i'd like you to work on that and come back next week and you know we'll see what we can do we'll see what we can do yeah i'm gonna write i'm write us a song. You can do the harmony when we come back next week for it. Wow. There was a little internal debate on our Discord about the title of this episode. Some people don't like the title.

Huh. And I, an academic, prestigious soul, love the title because it's straight from the book. As a book fan, I'm sorry. I'm just kidding. I'm just being annoying. But it it's straight from the book. As a book fan, I'm sorry, I'm just kidding. I'm just being annoying. But it's straight up from the books. The title of this episode comes from this passage. A score of the queen's own household knights offered themselves as dragon riders. Amongst them, the lord commander of her queen's guard, Sir Stefan Darklyn, along with squires, scullions, sailors, men-at-arms, mummers, and two maids. The sowing of the seeds! Munkin names the triumphs and tragedies that

ensued, crediting the notion to Jussaris himself, not Mushroom. Others preferred the red sowing. Yeah, I did not know that so great callback great callback because i also was like why did they call it this is this like a red wedding reference but no it is not it is canon you heard it here first but probably not you probably heard it somewhere else or you read it yourself i'm just coming on and telling lies on our podcast there's a meta thing here right like others did not others preferred the red sewing and i'm like wow so the crowd is going against that i'm the only one that prefers it you are the others who prefer it i'm the only one that likes the old intro i'm the only one that likes i'm just different i just have to be

different i'm sorry guys she's just built different she is she's not like other drag other girl on podcast she's not she's not it's time to travel as you may remember from previous weeks, we are going location to location, discussing things that happen there at our will, at our whim. And let's start with Damon and the theater troupe of the Riverlands. Once more, this felt like a crazy ensemble play. It was very cool, though. Like, I don't dislike it, but I mean, Harrenhal was a stage for this episode, right? dislike it but the i mean harrenhal was a stage for this episode right it was very much a performance very much performing power for those to see it and to quell those and to bring them

you know under your wing to calm the people i mean i wasn't even joking about it feeling like a a theatrical play right with the blocking and staging yeah it really does and like i was i was skeptical about it in past weeks like i was i was skeptical about it in past weeks like i was like i don't know if i like that or not i want to see how it bears out but i really i really love the way they did it this week i thought there was something i don't know akin to like the small folk attacking alicent and helena and the streets in like the way that they're coming they aren't coming at him physically but with their wants and their pleas as you know like hey if you're gonna be our lord then bitch you need to

be our lord and the small folk obviously was like a surplus of people doing that which was still great to see but i just liked this too it was almost like a round robin christmas story going on like just stepping forward and being like, hello, you've been haunted for three weeks, and now we will haunt you today and tomorrow. Good point, yeah. Yeah, I mean, he's reaping what he's sowed so far. I like that he's kind of finally being held accountable

to clean up his mess. Obviously, it's bad what the Blackwoods did, but he shouldn't have winked and nudged and like all season damon's classic move of a wink and a nudge and you know what i mean right just get it done it turns out that's bad and so that that kind of haunting raniera vision where she says you know always making messes that i have to clean up while she sews up jaharis's head onto his tiny body it's it's happening to him in real time now it's not just like psychic damage it's real in front of him tangible i'm thinking of in veep when that guy tells selena you told me to take care of it

that's what on blackwood you told me to take care of literally so i took care of it um oh keith quinn yeah there's very much like a scapegoat whoa there's very much like a scapegoat thing going on too with this with the scene um i do like that everything that oscar is saying to damon is also like repeating some of those visions and hauntings back to him from harrenhal yeah it seems to me you've made rather a mess here countenancing barbarities in the queen's name and then him saying you know the riverlands are held together by oaths house totally swore an oath to king viserys uh just kind of throwing literally everything that he's had ringing in his head for the

past five days right back in his face. Yeah, he's done a fantastic job of, I mean, they all did, of like turning it on him and be like, all right, are you going to step up? Are you going to give us and serve us, right? We'll serve you, but you got to serve us. That's the fucking, that's the feudal compact you know yeah and i think it's gonna be a through line right because we've got some stuff in king's landing that could maybe turn out that same way having a scapegoat or having some people

take the fall for something true true true true baby oscar toly i love screen accurate rob stark oh my god i actually said that like i was like wow i can't believe he got book rob stark they're like what why is this kid doing it i was like that's book rob stark right there what what do you mean like literally to the class that i was watching with i was like that's that's him we finally got him companions are they educated now do they get it i don't know what i rob stuck what i've made sure to educate them all on is the thing that i'm still most disappointed about and i'm never gonna let go like i still want the muppet tollies i'm like you guys listen they robbed me of kermit and elmo um i'm not as attached i don't think as you are to having wanted them but i do want it for you

if that makes you feel better thank you yeah it does it does thank you okay i'm pretty impressed with this young actor uh whose name i forgot to look up but like he's doing a great job i i really like the way that he delivered you know his meeting with damon he did like this sort of like humbling preamble and it felt very much like denarii saying i am but a young girl and know little in the ways of war he's like you know i'm a new lord and maybe i don't know much but like he put that man in his place i am green in this matter yes yes i love that even though he's on t-block but yeah i and that almost felt like it was that in in my like crazy tinfoil head i was like that's an homage to kermit it ain't easy being green no i'm being serious in my head i was like is that kermit i mean i think it was green like Oscar. Oh. Sorry, but...

Oscar is also green, that's so true. But he doesn't have a song about it. Mm-hmm. That's true. It's not as fun. God. Do you think Eamon's gonna kill your favorite character in front of that weirdwood? I don't know. I don't know where he's gonna do it, but I

love Simon's. Okay, I'm not the only one fantasy haven i think on twitter like tweeted like the drip because okay simon's clip was absolutely serving he was like all right people are finally coming over i guess i should put on some real clothes and also the look that he gave like oh like oh fuck like it's been just like an escalation throughout this whole thing. Like when Oscar says something to Damon at one point and then later on when he goes, oh, dear. Everyone in our watching party just like burst out at that, like burst out laughing with that, oh, dear. It was honestly so calm.

It was just like very, oh, dear. I do that. So polite, so calm. It was just like very, oh dear. I do that. So polite, so calm. Like if something's popping off and I'm like, oh dear. Oh God. I'll say it. I'm an oh brother person. I think I told you lately because I was at my parents' house and I was trying not to cuss as much.

So sometimes I'll just say, oh brother. And sometimes it's very light and very oh brother but maybe i need an oh dear oh dear yeah i guess i do sometimes i will just be like oh shit or like fuck you know in in like meetings and we're gonna be oh fuck i don't suck yeah i think it's really interesting that they're having house house malister led by a lady and that they are the ones who talk about honoring the old ways which implies to me the traditions of the first men which is not something that i really associate with house malister in the books and also like the insinuation that the one who passes the sentence must swing

the sword and like oscar kind of gives the sentence but kind of not but they all are sort of forcing damon to like hey bro you should do your job so making him both condemn and execute yeah they i guess like the big thing for them is their biggest honor is coming from like protecting against the iron islands right which is interesting when you have a foe like that for so long, like, back in the Andal era. I could see that maybe helping be toward the old way, right? They are an established and renowned house. Yeah.

Their words are above the rest, so they're kind of haughty in some sense and proud of their lineage. They do come off that way. Their ancient lineage. They do come off that way they do come off that way yeah it's it's really interesting and i guess you can kind of see that in the costuming as well with like the fur trim which you know whether or not we do like we just kind of like associated as viewers with the first men yeah it's that asymmetrical cape that aria wears as well oh true it becomes like her big outfit in season eight and seven i really didn't know how i felt about that like first men tradition i wish not to be like a show fan but for a minute i just wish they would have called back and said it instead of just like i

guess they were showing right that that's the old way and damon knows the old way but maybe people forget you know well they my family always forget they were doing it in front of a weirwood tree so i feel like maybe maybe everyone kind of knew and also it like is more meaningful to do so because while like house bracken is an andal house to be executed in the ways of the first men means something for the blackwoods well but that's more over what i wanted to be called out right like have him say something or have him ask something about it being but that's okay i mean i understood i get the whole thing it's just i'm thinking of some of our friends

some of our family um my mom who spells raniera r-a-n-i-y-r-R-A. Or no, R-A-N-I-R-A. That's Rhaenyra. I mean, she's not wrong, I guess. In a way. Yeah. Spell with your heart, mom. Yeah. Spell with your heart.

So another thing that I liked in regards to... I do agree. Some people are saying the daemonemon stuff is dragging especially for people who you know aren't aren't book readers and i can agree with that but this callback with viserys looking the same way that he did the day that daemon beheaded vaemon so last time we saw you know daemon doing popping off in that same way in like basically a court was Viserys. Viserys looked the way that he did when he was in Daemon's like bed vision thing. Oh yeah, that's interesting with the beheading of Vaemon connected to having to behead Willem.

Yeah, I know some people were kind of like, I don't think he hesitated because the acting was interesting. Like people do not believe that he would be reluctant to behead someone in general. Obviously, he's just mad that a kid made him do it. Yeah, but I very much took that big, deep like huff of breath he takes in before he turns around to do it. Like kind of like, oh, what the fuck have I gotten myself into? And the only way to get out of this is to kill him. That's how I took it. I agree with that.

I have a PhD in Matt Smith, okay? I mean, I'm just kidding. That's not something that exists, I don't think. I agree with that. I just am saying he's not squeamish. He's not like, oh God, I have to kill a man. He's just like, God damn it. He loves to kill.

Exactly. No hesitation, usually. This one is hesitation. And I think it's a good hint that he does care a little bit about Rhaenyra and Rhaenyra's cause and how he makes her look, especially after being in Harrenhal with nightmares for five days. Yeah, it's very big Sabrina Carpenter energy of like, I don't, I'm not very much into her. I'm sorry.

I just know the espresso one i finally heard that one essentially the lyrics for this and what i'm what i am hearkening to is heartbreak is one thing my ego is another i beg you don't embarrass me motherfucker and that's uh that's the vibe that's the vibe okay i do love that yeah maybe i do need to hear this one okay i'm interested i'm interested i like the version uh that i saw on tiktok where this four-year-old child or just this tiny child loves he just pops in to yell motherfucker and after and the mom was like hey baby what if we like tried doing a different like the radio version of it for other people he was like no it's not a powerful enough word for me he wants the old motherfucker

he learned too young he learned too young too much power too young god i mean that is powerful yeah power f-bombs so fucking powerful um i think what blinded the entire rest of these scenes for me with Damon is that if you watch the House the Dragon built, you learn that the Weirwood is George. It's George R. R. Martin's face. Have you ever just been tickled like that? Like, I just felt so warm, so fuzzy. And it wasn't just the vodka. Like, I very much was so happy to see George in the Weirwood at Heron Hall.

That Weirwood has seen a ton. It has, and they even showed, I think George seemed tickled about it too. They brought George on set to see himself in the little tree. I was like, dang, when I was making trees for sets, I was just making stick figures fucking each other in the little nodding and putting the word fuck. It must just be kind of cool, you know, to see your whole world being done such justice and people being into like an offshoot of your world,

not even the main part, right? A historical piece of the world and fans getting so into it and these sets being so elaborate and the things in the corner of your mind coming to life. It's really cool. I'm really happy that he got to see it. That makes me happy, man. Yeah, me too. I'm going to give a sad thought now to balance out the happiness.

I haven't thought about Harrenhal, right? Because, so, I love that the House of Dragons built went into, you know, all the lore that is there in, like, probably the World of Ice and Fire thing around how Harrenhal was built. It's probably in the main series as well, where Harren the Black, you know, builds it on a former grove of weirwood trees, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And we're kind of seeing what the impact of that is of like weird visions of guilt but the people that you loved and like sad thought did reyna targaryen who was the eldest sister of jaherys and aliceanne uh daughter of aenys and elissa valerian did she choose to stay in harrenhal because of the weird visions like so that she would spend her time with those ghosts and like even though she felt guilty and had that false reconciliation like is that why so that she could just like for a moment feel as though those people were alive even though it was painful

you're so you're literally why would you you're so fucked up why would you say that because all i can think about and i was thinking about helena and getting really sad the other day in dreamfire so i started thinking about reina in dreamfire which also made me sad when aria dies she gets back but it's too late and she looks for aria on dragon back for a year so when you think of renera like at the shore at the beach looking for luke and finding his wing i mean reina did that for a year and didn't find her and then it was too late when they finally had her come back and so she races to king's landing to go see her and she's already dead by the time she gets there and already cremated because they had to like kill her body because of you know the fire worms yeah from valeria that caught a ride so they've already cremated her and then reina and

dream fire after that she takes her ashes and goes and spreads them in the sky because area only wanted to fly she thinks yeah and so in heron hall she just she can see her little girl again in heron hall they can go for rides all day and night long. Or she's yelling at her mom, but she's like, it's better than her not being there, maybe. I don't know. Big sad. Wow, I'm tearing up. Reyna!

I mean, what does Bloodraven say to Bran? Exactly. You have Daemon sitting here seeing these visions of his brother, a brother that he loved. Maybe a brother he once hated, even, sometimes. a brother that he loved maybe a brother he once hated even sometimes but a brother he loved and all the things that he did wrong in his family to hurt his family when maybe he loved them and maybe that's why he did it too a little except for ria royce yeah well he's not perfect okay what was it i think our friend someone on the discord was like yeah that's probably why oh uh our friend on the discord crow sam was like, that's probably why. Oh, our friend on the Discord, CrowSame, was like, yeah, that's probably why he's not seeing Ria Royce.

He just does not care for her at all. He likes getting bullied by the other ones a little too much. All right, King's Landing. King's Landing was great punctuation pieces in between,'s be real the entree the big pile of meat on our platters that we're gonna get to over at dragon stone and drift mark but king's landing uh welcome back kendall roy the eldest son alicent hightower oh my god taking a swim oh my god uh so about that i didn't realize that's what you were referring to with that line of like so my friend caroline she gets to be named on the podcast uh was describing allison's scenes in this episode as like her eat pray love journey

i thought that was so for real yeah especially like when she was swimming and i was like oh yeah it's kind of like that painting of ophelia but also i was like damn caroline you were right this is fucking eat pray love for her it is a baptism right she's like having an awakening right now is that what happens okay i've never actually consumed it i just know the idea and i'm like yeah that's what that is we all know what it is you know yeah i mean eat pray love is like all of a sudden i think she just decides to start living life and i'm not saying allison is deciding that necessarily but i think she's like gonna have to get a new purchase on life she might do something drastic she's been pretty down and out the last handful of episodes getting fired by her children left and right

getting shoved away by her other children left and right not those pretty much they're dead yeah wrong they're dead um but this is i was surprised it didn't have kind of the suicidal overtones that people were really i think prematurely giving it it was definitely more of like I don't know a cleansing moment a moment of fucking quiet a moment away from it all to realize like now what what's my next move and maybe that next move is something to do with Rhaenyra I don't know I mean this felt pretty drastic to me as a person who found out in the past few years. I thought I was going to like camping. And you know what?

I did not like camping. And that girl went out camping. All right. And I was like, oh, okay. And I don't know. I like the scene where she's looking up while swimming. She's staring at a bird flying. I'm like, oh, right.

Because it's a bird who didn't build itself a cage. Nellie Furtado plays in the background background but she doesn't fly away yeah she does i mean even from that very first scene with her and raniera right when she says i'm quite pleased to be a spectator thank you i don't want to go on the dragon and now after being chained inside of a box so long she wants out yeah as one is want to do to go camping i'd go camping too if my child was amon targaryen i'd go permanently camping far away from him valid hugh's daughter's dead as fuck i was saw that one coming i was surprised but not surprised i was like i wish we had like kind of maybe it's it was cut maybe it was filmed but cut or something

because i was like oh i mean yeah she looked real bad last time i saw her she was literally gray but i think it's fine because he already takes up such like an inordinate plot space that we don't need need to see a child dying sputtering gray yeah 10 episodes maybe but i'm good besides there was bigger bigger shit to talk about there because as soon as the conversation started and i could tell it was like i'm revealing to my wife my parentage conversation and as soon as he said she my jaw dropped and i looked at emmet and i went no and then he says it then he fucking yeah i was like oh my god sarah yeah the moment when he talks about like his mother talking about her brothers i was like you guys it's sarah targaryen i was like everyone listen about sarah wow that's like the only one i guess would have

made sense since we already had alissa obviously yeah i i just i was i love you ryan condell thank you thank you very much uh and thank you to the writer and director of this episode but i know that alissa and sarah would not have happened this season without ryan condell that's actually true probably yeah yeah again people the question we've all been asking ourselves as the season goes on is the show good or do we just love it as book creators because ryan condell is feeding us but whatever i don't care i was excited i was like you guys listen sarah they're like why is her name just sarah i was like no no it's spelled s-a-e-r-a and they're like okay that's acceptable i was like what the fuck but i mean this entire episode is about like heritage true and legitimacy and claims right so i rather like that we've tied that to sarah absolutely because

i think you know fans have been wondering like what happens to her in the end and like does her legacy continue so it's interesting to see that there's hue there could definitely be other children as well like also did he commute back here from the free cities was sarah just a stone's throw away from the palace the whole time and i mean like jahari's apparently was not a good dad knowing that like sarah's child like i wonder on one hand is he rolling in his grave he's like oh god i exiled that girl but also on the other hand like that was his favorite child you know like that's that's she disappointed him so much i guess for because jaharys was had a lot of misogynistic views, but that was his favorite child.

He was asking for her on his deathbed, like, in the world where Alicent was eight years older. He was like, is that you, Sarah, reading at his bedside? No. She never came back. He always hoped she'd come back, even though, I mean, he's the one that did that. Yeah, maybe you should have said sorry, Dad. Yeah.

Or maybe he could have softened his resolve over time i don't know killing her boyfriend in front of her making her watch oh i forgot to tell all that to everyone i'll remind them next week i i was i didn't have the book right in front of me you know just wait for me i'll be there i guess yes we can do it together we can do it it'll be yeah we're gonna set everyone down oh my god we're gonna bring out we're gonna make a powerpoint i'll start a powerpoint we're gonna start a powerpoint they're gonna be like oh god this is the worst it's interesting you call her his favorite child because it makes me think of otto and

allison's relationship right the favorite child all the pressure upon them uh and what becomes of them yeah that is interesting i love the way we've framed the sowing of the seeds similar almost to season one with the council that we're introducing these new players and characters that are going to be important and are going to ride dragons so so very important, but how we frame them is not unlike the great council Jaehaerys calls, right? And in the book, we have this passage. From Essos came three rival competitors, grandsons of King Jaehaerys through his daughter, Sarah, each sired by a different father. One was said to be the very image of his grandsire in his youth. Another, a bastard born to a triarch of old Volantis, arrived with bags of gold and a dwarf elephant.

The elephant... The lavish gifts he distributed amongst the poorer lords undoubtedly helped his claim. The elephant proved less useful, I can imagine. Sarah herself was still alive and well in Volantis and only 34 years of age. She's still hot. Probably, she's a milf, you know? Yeah. Her own claim was clearly superior to those of any of her own bastard sons, but she did not choose to press it.

And then we go on to have a bunch of other people, a contestant producing parchment that says that he comes from Gaiman the Glorious, the greatest Targaryen lord of Dragonstone before the Conquest, through a younger daughter and the petty lord she married, and on and on for seven further generations. Is that Ariana? That might be Ariana. That could be Ariana, y'all. See?

Everyone was so quick to turn down Ariana. There was as well a strapping red-haired man-at-arms who claimed to be a bastard son of maegor the cruel by way of proof he brought his mother the fuck an aged in keeps daughter who said she had once been raped by maegor the lords were prepared to believe the fact of rape but not that the act had gotten her with child okay hot take same you need to go listen to our patreon episode for that one though hot take same uh but yeah so it's a similar framework right we're introducing these claimants and i like that we've wrapped up some of them in a couple ways here right like i love that we have sarah's son why not sarah's why not oh my god yes i i agree um great job

pulling this back in uh dwarf elephant important i know you're like i know leona's gonna think that that's important but i should just highlight every moment that i think you're gonna think is important honestly it's it's really interesting fucking leo season it is interesting like the way that they approach his character and like you know him being ashamed of his mother which is like that sucks that's super sad and shitty but like unfortunately i think you do see people like that so it's complicated it's complicated and also like i'm curious about what's up with his wife all right they do call her they do give her her name this episode cat they finally say it and it's also in the like captions captions but we all know that's short for mrs katniss's katniss everdeen's dad hammer um and she's going to tumbledown probably and so i'm very curious as to how this is going to play out with you know the first tumbledown and the the betrayers like i wonder like you know something about this is

going to lead to his defection somehow like is she taken hostage because you know it doesn't really make sense for him to betray and then burn down the whole town that she might be in. Because, like, he knows. She's only said Tumulton a million times, right? Or, like, does she die during the fall of King's Landing on the way to Tumulton? But, like, that still doesn't explain to me, like, why is he killing, like, I don't know. I definitely think it has to be at tumbleton whatever goes down like i think why mention it otherwise why create a whole character that wasn't in the book she's there

for a plot purpose to move it forward in that manner so i look at mrs katniss's mom and i think mrs hughes hammers katniss's mom and dad mom and dad yes it's getting confusing but i think of her and how she said her brother lives in tumbleton specifically so the great to go to tumbleton was because they were going to stay with her brother so now there needs to be a conflict that makes that either tension happening there which hugh did just get a dragon from queen rhaenyra and a huge battle a huge battle is about to go down here with dragons so you know the two factions the whole the whole thing i could see him maybe denying her entrance or selling out the information he has on her and hue interesting to gain yeah because we're introduced to them hungry and starving

and looking for anything to get money. And they're good people, it seems. But you know, when power is that little piece in front of you and you're fucking hungry, what are you going to do? Or does he find out like how the blockade works and then he's like mad because had the food been there? I don't know. But then at the same time, he was's like mad because had the food been there i i don't know but then at the same time he was trapped in there because of the greens so like what would make him

be like yeah i definitely want to go hang out with them which it might be darren maybe darren's the one who like convinces him somehow i how's it gonna play out i do think there's got to be some through line with the brother yeah agreed that idea may be a betrayal but on top of that i look at what hugh and olf just did right they survived bonding a dragon together like same time simultaneously they're going to be the two newcomers to the group who you know alongside adam they aren't quite revered yet they're making their own way they're making their own. And also because of what we've now seen of Ulf and what we've seen of Hugh and their personalities, like when you put it towards the book,

one of the reasons I was having issues in the first half of the season with the whole idea is because Hugh in the books is absolutely a lesser and different character than Hugh in the TV show plot. Now I see why they've beefed him up and given him this B plot and said, you're going to have a wife, you're going to have a kid, you're going to lose them, you're going to get a dragon, you're going to do this, you're going to do that. I'm getting it.

I'm seeing it all goes there because in the book, he's kind of just a dick. And it said that him and Ulf just like take the town because they're drunk assholes. And I think that we saw a very different softer side of ulf and a very different side of hue as well and i think i could see ulf being very sympathetic to him after surviving that bonding a dragon near one another and then having lived in the same city where they're starving and seeing the desolation and loss that's going on and ravaging through the small folk like maybe they look at each other and they're like bro we're powerful fuck them fuck the highborn fuck what they did to your wife maybe yeah maybe we just fucking take it we have dragons now we have the big ones we can take queen rhaenyra if we wanted to i agree with that i think there's

definitely like a possibility it goes that way because especially with the speech that rhaenyra gave she's like you know we're going to have the dragons and that's going to bring us like peace and he's going to be like well then why are we like doing this war i just i'm trying to figure out like what leads to him being like i'm gonna burn down the town where my wife's brother lives and presumably where she is so i'm very curious how that's all gonna play out and i like i like that i don't know like i know enough but don't know you know i also kind of think there's gonna be a little and the man breaks right like she sold them the dream but battle and i mean

kristen cole saw this right and look how he was turning out there for a minute he's not doing so hot because it turns out turning men to dust inside their armor fucks with you yeah but now he's a mildly sympathetic i actually feel a little bad for kristen cole now so great job show runners don't worry do you not do you not feel like people are like i it's so funny because i see that i'm like yeah they did like a good job because now I actually like, you know, I don't like it, but I still feel bad for him. And everyone I talked to, like, I still hate Kristen Cole. I'm like, yeah, but don't you feel for him a little? They're like, I guess.

It's so interesting. I do though, but I feel for like every character. Exactly. I was a certified Damon hater before this show. So I think I'm just fair and just like a good magnanimous queen. Absolutely. You could give, you could give you could give that speech you would be ordained by the gods yes yes i would be doing the sewing as well i would

be putting one on samson cayo came back i know i was like there he is there he is you were right you were right uh i also really love in general that scene where they're talking they said it's the hour of the bat yeah i thought of you because i'm always like what are the hours yeah we've had hour of the bat i think hour of the owl maybe an hour of the wolf so far have been mentioned so i'm not sure i kind of have been wondering like do only the nighttime hours get fun names yeah I think so I think it's like up until dawn yeah like I think that daytime hours don't get fun names that's fair so a lot less fun what's going on with Agen oh Agen physical therapy is a bitch rehabilitation sucks

yep I was emotional for Agen like that is horrible and the pain is horrible and he's trying I also really do love though that Larry's is there having conflict with Orwyle uh almost constantly now and he's kind of having conflict with everyone on the small council he's kind of a messy bitch yeah it's interesting i'm still trying to figure out i mean like book tyrian's a messy bitch and he has conflict with everyone so like is this just book accurate tyrian without the yolks so i did love the transition into this scene though with Aegon because it comes from the the scene where we see Viserys and Viserys towards the time when the illness was taking over his body much more and also like his father you know saying that he never wanted it I'm like I guess Aegon

kind of never really wanted it too for a while there until he did and like this is the burden that he's had wearing that crown so like you got some you got some dialogue there between the scenes and not just like the dialogue that's in the script i also had to like funny enough i had to remind the people that i was watching with like this is how much viserys like did not care about his kids i was like you do you guys remember reynira and those greens right they share the same dad because i was like talking about it like wait who's i was like their dad is the same dad as reynira's dad so i'm like oh yeah that's right that's how bad of a dad he was um he was never

there yeah in regards to the laurie stuff i was kind of wondering so when egan is going no no no no when laurie's picks him up I'm like is it out of physical pain from being picked up or is he just like oh my god please I do not want Laurie's here trauma dumping on me again and telling me that I have to actually go do things I legitimately don't know I legitimately don't know I kind of was interpreting it as maybe him being like no no not again please leave me alone i thought it was uh maybe just the aspect of the pain of when he makes him do it the hard way so it's a little of both like a mixture yeah i think it's more of a mixture like i think it's in response to the pain like

in general but also that when larry shows up he makes him do it the hard way he's not gonna let him out of uh out of his rehabilitation he's like you're you're the one guy who listens to me again we gotta keep you alive and agan's like but what if what if we just did it he is placing his bets on him he's going all in on agan yeah it's kind of a fascinating turn i didn't know that we'd see him take that much of an investment in him but makes sense it's gonna make getting him out of king's landing really interesting oh my god agan sansa whoa oh larry larry's like little finger ish interesting larry's finger yeah hmm well let's talk about Laurie's finger in Iron Rod. Oh my God. They cracked me up.

I enjoyed, they were like, no, you die first. No, you die first is basically what was happening. They were having a you die first off up there on the ramparts where, spoiler alert, that's probably where they're going to get their heads chopped off anyways. Oh, good point. Good point. Yeah. That's all I could think that they were both like leaned over right there. And I'm like, oh, that's funny because that's probably where you'll be watching you guys get your heads

chopped off maybe they'll be in the courtyard but i i think this might have been like my favorite scene this episode which there's like interesting yeah i know i know because like i thought there was like this really weird but like obvious right subtle like the subtext of this scene it's so clearly coming through and like the power play between the two of them it's kind of like the the time that you had that dialogue between what varies and little finger right but like this one's much more subtle which i like and it does a lot of things right like it's showing you how they are kind of feeling each other out in terms of information like using information as a trap but also this like delicate dance of like well if one of them thinks that the information is actually good they might like pull it back and be

like oh oh wait no never mind you you you take care of yourself i'll go tell him but also trying to be like you go tell him and go make amen. But it also shows the flaws of what happens when your advisors are afraid to be upfront with you and to actually give you intel and using it as a weapon against one another. But also it's kind of like the opposite problem that Rhaenyra has where like her advisors are a little too fucking upfront. So yeah, I was really astounded

that neither of them found a way to do especially larry's and like your whole job is whispers whether they're small or big like just go you know you've got an hour like get off your phone go fucking walk around the store see if anyone needs help and figure it out larry's what the fuck do we pay you for uh i was kind of surprised though because they could have saved amon some time here like amon could have been on the up and up he could have known because and i love how like they also it's so clear that they don't understand dragons they don't understand dragon riders they don't understand the targaryens because no one really does like to be fair even they don't those

that are not yeah even they don't but even that like if you're not a targaryen you really don't get what being a targaryen means and they kind of close off the idea well it wasn't lady reyna so i don't know who it could have been who could it have been hmm yeah i think i don't know like i i thought that was like really fun that neither of them wanted to tell like it shows that this is what happens when you rule a bit too much by fear and not by loyalty. Also, I appreciated that when Lares asks, how did you get this information, Jasper? Right? He doesn't say it like that, but Jasper's sources do seem dubious at first. It's like this whole rumor mill, but that's very much similar to how

we see a the rumor of denarius's dragons make its way to west rose and turns out that was a fucking like credible rumor but it's also like i don't think that dissimilar from the way that davos does his information gathering that we see in a dance with dragons or even the way that aria does as well in bravos like you were talking to the common people and seeing like what what's the scuttlebutt right and that's that's what's going on and also later on when the when they're in the council chamber and then there's a dragon yelling i love the way jasper looks over at larry's he's like you're fucking idiot we should have told him we should have told them literally i was i was floored i'm like you really should have also like you could have curried favor by being right and just also how interesting neither of

them wanted to depend upon it because amand is a little more fickle right he's flimsier and easier to anger they don't know him as well yet and they don't know what ticks him off yet fully and they're trying to avoid it walking on eggshells it's kind of interesting because i guess they could have told aegon because aegon was so eager to please yeah he wanted to be served he wanted to know that they were at his service where amand doesn't want that he wants them to be ready to serve yeah at his word he was like i want to seem like i'm doing a good job i guess so he like was amenable to to an extent amand was the boss amand showed up with plans yeah aiken wanted to be loved that's true and uh he's like please don't love me anymore loris i love this courtyard it's been a great set piece and i like that we're seeing the gold cloaks

throughout the city uh we obviously have alinda Massey in her bright red cloak running around putting dragon sigils everywhere, telling people, can you ride a dragon? Come to Dragonstone. This certainly isn't going to get told to anyone. Me and my red cloak with my Massey sigil on the dress. And I'm just living in King's Landing. Yeah, I still don't understand it i guess i kind of get that maybe like she's doing it because she's giving this information to people like does the red cloak therefore give her more legitimacy of like hey there is a boat leaving and it's real you can maybe ride a dragon i don't know but i'm also just like side eye red is a bolt red is a

fashion statement especially when everyone else is not fucking in her friend yeah because other highborn people are wearing green right now and not just that because it's like a really nice red cloak and you're just running around out here like it's a lot there is like the gold cloak stands out a lot though with that said and seeing the gold cloaks throughout the city i will say it's keeping that harwin through line going for jace when jace brings him up and also the damon through line of it right having been damon's men once yeah that's a good point. A reminder that they are there. They will be. Get ready. I'm sure they'll be letting people

in sometime in the next handful of episodes. Alright, the veil. Ray Nettles. Yeah, so she's off doing her own little excursion, I guess, and also, like, I don't know, I'm still mixed about it. Because, like, we'll talk about this in a second with Sea Smoke and stuff. But, like, by removing Nettles and by insinuating that perhaps Marilda of Hull had, whose name they don't mention at all.

Marilda of Hull might have had Targaryen lineage or blood. Like, it removes the question of, like, I don't mention at all marilda of hall might have had targaryen lineage or blood like it it removes the question of like i don't know i maybe anyone fucking can ride a dragon which i do i like that ambiguity yeah just not in the way it was delivered necessarily it makes it a lot less ambiguous by asserting that marilda is a targaryen and by having it be reyna instead of nettles where you're not sure and also like in one of the so spake martins when it came to daenerys's three dragons george had said at some point that there will be three heads of the dragon which does not necessarily mean dragon riders and he said they won't necessarily all be targaryens which could mean which could mean like in the way that you you know, technically Jon Snow is not right.

He's a Stark or like whatever. But it couldn't it could also mean that they don't have Targaryen blood at all. Yeah. So I'd be interested. There's a lot of stuff happening that I'm like slowly bit by bit in the background. I'm like, OK, maybe someone else like Euron will get a dragon. Exactly. Exactly. bit in the background i'm like okay maybe someone else like you're on will get a dragon exactly exactly i do look forward to maybe she'll get the nettles plot reina next episode and be able to feed the sheep to sheep stealer and maybe we'll see her a few times throughout the episode doing

it before maybe she claims it i don't know but i look forward to however they do it i think i'm going to come around to it because the one thing i will say is like i don't love that they're like yes i corliss valarian valarian who while no we were no dragon lords we do have a drop of dragon blood or two up and down our stream it's possible i don't really love that he was just like well it ain't me i don't know who has it but it ain't me son i was like all right all right but even yeah even that drop or two could like could mean something because like we see it in denarius's plot line with brown bed plum right they're all like oh the dragon seems really like you must be those two drops yeah and not all men were meant to dance with dragons.

Yeah. To be fair. Yeah. And like the two drops being from what? Elena? We have the two drops. But like anyways, the Targaryen, the Targaryen lineage that goes through the plums is very, very small as well.

So could be like that for the Valerians. I don't know. But that said, like, I do appreciate how the writing is still dedicated to the same outcome, even if it's not exactly the same way we get there. Like, they did treat it as somewhat, like you said, ambiguous, vague. It's still there. The idea is still out there. They left it open.

They weren't very specific. So it's something. It's a start. Yeah. Yeah. Jane's cloak was amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Jane's cloak was amazing. Yeah. For one short second, you can see a full entire view of her in her turquoise, bluish dress with that printed Aaron sigil in that velvet. And the cloak itself was very a la Liza Aaron with the closed neck and the higher neck and shoulder piece and long

and cream and it has a erin sigil in cream into the the front of the piece of the cloak so very good also love that the dress was like dirty on the bottom it felt like right and lived in because i don't know it just felt right so you know she's in the veil it's muddy yeah she doesn't care about beautiful all that stuff necessarily she's just like a little haughty i do wish and i like that about her i wish we had gotten more jane erin and i also wish um jane erin sapphic plot you know yeah well it's not over yet right i think something about those doors closing and i very much felt like there was like a especially for reina like a finality to youth to innocence

to being a girl like you're not allowed back in very narnia that those doors just closed on her you know yeah and to get back in she's not gonna go through like the first thought i had was well she'll be going back to the veil but it won't be through those doors. It'll be over them. Like Shara Arryn style with Visenya. Oh, I was thinking, like, not just, like, you know, with the Nettles stuff, there's, like, the implication that she went and lived in the Vale after. The Fire Witch. Exactly.

So it makes sense for, like, everyone to go back to the Vale and for Sheepstealer to be there. Yeah. And there is a bunch of sheep, as we know. It's not, like, super close to there, but, like, to go back to the veil and for sheep stealer to be there yeah and there is a bunch of sheep as we know it's not like super close to there but like i'm thinking of the fingers so well we've seen some dead ones we have seen some dead ones yeah drift mark all right see smoking syrax i guess raniera pronounces it syrax i'm not gonna change at this point i just don't think i'm gonna change we'll We'll see. I think I'd just say both, depending on how I'm feeling that day. I'm whimsical like that. Yeah.

I'm whimsical. There's kind of this interesting parallel of Rhaenyra walking with Laenor on the beach. Oh, yeah. When they first meet, when they're younger, and when they kind of, you know, negotiate the terms of their marriage together. And now you have Adam and Rhaenyra standing off wild, wild west opposite one another. And I really love the audio design for Syrax and Seasmoke. If you pay attention throughout the episode at the beginning here, obviously, when they're beefing, you hear some growls and some sharper noises back and forth that are kind of expressing the tension of the riders but then when they're reunited again uh back on dragon stone when you

have raniera talking to jace or raniera talking to mizaria you can actually hear if you listen the dragons outside kind of yipping playfully and like happy and kind of like in love like they were kind of married too yeah right they were always together they were married too just like raniera and laner and like i just thought that was such a nice audio design touch that you can hear them finally happy not like out there making those lonely cries that they've been making all season. Yeah. Friends again. Here we are again. It is really nice. It was a good opening to the episode considering, you know, the cliffhangers of last one. Yeah, I'm glad they just did it right away and got it over with. And I don't mean got it over with like it was bad. No, it was an awesome scene. But I just think it

would be silly to hold that tension out for more of the episode yeah there's something interesting in how renero regards adam and how corliss regards him too renero says you kneel quickly for a man so suddenly elevated uh and adam says to corliss my lord and corliss says my lord and he says how you have come up in the world so maybe even showing a little ambition on adam's end and we do kind of get that we'll talk about that as we go but we get a little bit of that that inkling that he like jace is out here trying to prove something about himself to the world that's true i i agree with that we've seen that in previous episodes where he's like he owes us right like he owes us something and all you got was like you know a well done a word of affirmation from dad fuck dude

he doesn't tell her that his dad is coreless, and that I feel like, obviously, none of them have. I think that's going to happen eventually. I think that Corlys himself might have to say it. Yeah. I really do think a private conversation where they make an agreement, like, he continues to supply her stuff, and she helps legitimize his bastards as Laenor's sons for the love she once bore him. Right. So they can finally put it to rest or something.

I don't know. But I do feel like it's going to come back because if Corliss comes to her and is like, legitimize my sons, she'll know that Adam lied to her. And that begins a feeling of betrayal. That's a good point. Just the seed, the seed of betrayal and i'm looking out not just for the sowing the red sowing of the seeds but like the seeds of betrayal being sown and i do think they are yeah bit by bit there's framework for like here's a betrayal

here's a betrayal and it's all gonna happen absolutely and for i think corley's will probably have to tell her something around that just because like I think he will but he obviously didn't know it was his son yet when that happened because he finds out in that moment he's like oh shit I mean fuck even Alan doesn't know and like that's a that's the guy who knows everything but in Adam's defense uh I think he has a lot of complicated emotions there around like sharing whether or not it's his dad like. Like he's mad that his father hasn't ever acknowledged them. So why would he like say that? But at the same time, he's a little scared too to say that to his dad because his dad has never given them permission to be his sons. Which is I think a really, really interesting place to come at this.

And also when you look at it in the context of like how Hugh the Hammer feels about his mother so there's something oh I totally agree yeah with that said though yeah I mean I wouldn't say that to Rhaenyra either you you have a pre-meeting right and you talk about the meeting first before you yeah before you go in and tell the queen something uh and obviously that couldn't happen but I do think it could be a slight real or imagined oh no I agree with that I was just saying like I was just digging into Adam's character I love my favorite I was everyone was like that's your favorite like that's my favorite you guys he's my favorite I'm getting used to him as younger brother yeah he's got a good vibe for it he's got a good energy

I'm about it and I will say I thought that Rhaenyra here, I think there's a lot that's really interesting going on with and like the way that she treats Adam in this, like obviously he's saying, I, my only desire is to serve my queen because what the fuck else are you going to say in that moment? Right. The people she doesn't make feel at ease are the assholes on her council. I think they feel a little too at ease.

Hot take. Yeah, I think so. They were a little too at ease, but I think Emma Darcy does a great job of like Rhaenyra's complex emotions here of fear, hesitation, and then the hope at the end of being like, you've done something I feared was impossible. But a cautious hope. You know, there's a lot of emotions going on there at the same time.

But also, Rhaenyra thinking that it is ordained, that's not what I meant to say. Thinking that it is ordained, that's not what I meant to say. Like, I think it was a, I think that was a really interesting turn for her character that we'll talk about a little bit more in a sec. Yeah, and I was glad for what it's worth. I was really glad that it wasn't a blowout and that she was like, well, no, I'm like, I'm not gonna, you know, I'm not gonna sit here and say you stole a dragon because like her counselor says, he's like, oh, how dare they steal a dragon? I'm like, that's not a thing stole a dragon because like her counselor says he's like oh how dare they steal a dragon I'm like that's not a thing we've been over yeah it that's not a real

thing it was very I think uh the way that Robert Baratheon is described after the rebellion you know being great at like lifting people off their knees and and inspiring that loyalty yeah and you're right with Emma de Arce killing it on the acting because it reminds me some of those great tender moments like that where you think that they're going to be maybe aggressive as Rhaenyra, but also at the same time not. Like when Jace and Rhaenyra are speaking and Jace is really worked up and Rhaenyra chooses that moment to like cradle his face for just a second in his anger you know that kind of thing i think that's uh that's when they're at their best in this show giving off those really complex dimensional emotions absolutely yeah i think that's i agree with that there are times where i think the performance isn't as strong but i think that's just because like they're playing like a subdued brain era but when it is those multiple emotions embrace it while we

have it i think i also think that they do a fantastic very aggressive rain era as well i loved last episode with the slap the kelp i mean part of that was loving i guess because they're acting and that was so just the immediate switch to cold that really well done that and also i was thinking like the final shot of season one you know yeah such smolder but like a different smolder than the flynn rider smolder though emma darcy can pull a fucking flynn rider smolder is what i've seen on the internet we don't need to turn this into that but like there is a little bit of um i would say the streets are saying there's a thirst for emma de arcy and maybe we've gotten it maybe maybe we maybe we do we have this scene between corliss and alan and they discuss adam they discuss a

little bit of what we've said about adam being kind of eager for a little bit of glory and with something to prove the dragon kind of lends legitimacy right this is what adam was looking for and for alan in comparison alan doesn't really want that right he is a little more quiet more stoic and his legitimacy comes from the ships which are as much something that he inherits from marilda of whole as well as corliss right yeah by the time they're grown up they work on their mother's ships and she has seven ships i think that's great and it does speak to why corliss probably fucked her yeah multiple times that's true it was multiple times to have two kids that is how that works i do think um i'm curious to see the legitimization

conversation i wonder if that'll happen this season or if it'll be a next season ordeal with Corlys and Rhaenyra. It's gonna come though. And I'm curious to see Jace's reaction, maybe his immediate reaction before he goes off to die about it. Like I really am very, very sure

that he and Rhaenyra are going to probably fight before he leaves for the Gullet eventually and dies. Why do I know this? Because they really want to hurt us. Yes, they do. And they've been fighting a lot. They do. And I don't think it's going to stop. I agree. Like, I think that they're going to do a thing where, you know, like, I, it would be good for them to have that one big fight and then he goes off and then he dies and they never get to reconcile. And like, heartbreaking but it would be i mean yes they're just fridging jace but but it's a good push on like rainier's character arc to have that unresolved conflict and grief and then to have

her like channel and project her guilt into a war and like that runs sort of like perpendicular to the way that Damon's grief about Viserys is going. Yeah. And it said that once she, it said that once Jace died, that she didn't break necessarily, that it actually gave her a new renown. And because of the dragons, she turned furious.

Right. Is that not breaking also? In my opinion, that's a form of breaking too. I guess, but it's the build-up before the break because i would say after that and the losses to come maybe um the dragon pit really maybe sends her over the edge okay valid i would say like losing joff yeah but yeah it said that you know her renown like that she's actually just very

furious right after that so we'll see uh one last note on alan though i loved when he said to corliss that he is salt and water yes mirroring bayla rejecting becoming the air and this didn't have anything about the air involved in words but that does signify alan will become the heir to driftmark he is salt and water we're just a conversation away from that happening corliss is thinking about it he will bring that together and that idea and ask for legitimization to reneara so that alan can become his heir and then it's also foreshadowing the end game of bela and alan yeah right being able to match each other and having that kind of rainies and corleys mirrored relationship once

more like i will go you'll sail to the ends of the earth but i'll be on my dragon yeah i am looking forward to that and seeing like how their interactions go i i okay this is like ridiculous but i do think that like legitimizing alan and adam as laner's sons we've discussed this in previous episodes it actually does lend legitimacy to jace's claim it makes it like it's obviously they're corley's kids but saying that they're laner's kids lends legitimacy to the fact that they're like look laner had kids is this not laner's child and it's like obviously not but like it does lend a little bit of credence to the argument i do think adam especially helps that argument with his dark hair good point alan obviously could work right now since no one knows except Adam.

I imagine he'll stop eventually, though. It actually, I think what would have made us strongest, because I know people were upset about the Valerian seeing black, and it's not even that, but had Rhaenys had her Baratheon hair, that's actually, I think, what would have really lent some credence to it. Yes, the eternal struggle between general show audiences understanding that Targaryens have white hair. She had one cool, like, rogue, you know, from X-Men, White Streak.

Yeah, people fucking love that. People love rogue. And that's kind of, I believe that's what Elia and Rhaegar's Rhaenys had as well. In my canon. I love Rogue. Yeah, me too. Duh. Yeah, it's like a fact.

Like, I don't know, the sky is blue. Speaking of bastards. Yeah, let's come back to more Jason Reynira stuff. Yeah. I really loved that they finally picked up the pace with them and gave them some tension, gave them something to argue about, and brought up some of these things that Jace has absolutely probably been thinking about his entire life. I loved the line, let us raise an army of bastards from Rhaenyra. I loved that. I just love that she gave no fucks and said fine then we'll raise an army of bastards jace it's still an army we love we love our progressive queen yeah we love bastards oh wait she actually really does though yeah she does she does she does. I did think about how, like, look what you did.

You took a perfectly good heir to the throne and you gave him anxiety like you had about your place and about your being heir. He has some of those same anxieties. Maybe it's him you should have had that conversation with instead of Luke about being a ruler. Hindsight's 20-20, right? Yeah. I mean, I'm sure she had those kinds of conversations with him too at some point over the years. And it does, like, I will say, it does make sense that he is upset, right? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, the one thing that makes him legitimate. He doesn't have the silver hair. He has a dragon. That's what proves. And now you're going to go out there and say hey anyone can do it uh-oh that's a problem for jace it is it is and like i it's kind of interesting because like gildane initially credits right jace with the idea of the dragon seeds which it kind of is it kind of is he's just like but not like this i didn't mean like so this many fucking seeds but um there are i think you know like he's not wrong to be worried

about it based on you know the black fire rebellion and maybe even some of the stuff that we'll see in the main series of like sansa's claim will likely be challenged when it comes to winterfell it already has quite a few times. I mean, she doesn't look like a Stark, even though she's out here fucking building snowcastles. Like, what do you fucking want from her? You know? She's building snowcastles.

She also has the thing where she's, like, born female. So that probably doesn't help. And they're going to be like, but we have this perfectly great male right here. He looks just like Ned. Why not him? Or even, with denarius etc and those claims as well so isn't that interesting yeah it is so unfortunate born with a vagina happens to the worst of us i am the worst i really love that fun gardening pattern that george does that's kind of kind of pointed out i don't know in general by reading the book right like you kind of notice it but dark haired or

different colored haired or different looks targaryens don't ever end up ruling even if they're like the heir to the throne whether you have like balor breakspear or rainies or valar or matarus alor alora who were yellow blonde um darren the dreamer duncan targaryen all these characters that like have brown hair and the strong boys they don't get to rule right there's all these heirs but they don't end up ruling they either die or something weird happens to take them out of the lineup and you are left you're left with white silver blonde haired targaryens yeah every time that is really interesting i mean alora nalora i mean sorry that your like bleach didn't work well enough or whatever and it yellowed uh you can tell me more about the science behind that at some point chloe i've heard about such

things happening it's because of the errands they have errand color oh i thought you were gonna actually tell me about bleaching hair. No, but they do. It's because of the errands. Because canonically, George has the errands have blonde hair, blue eyes often. Which I do think is interesting that they didn't do that with Jane. Because I was wondering. I was like, they went full Liza, which doesn't make any sense. But whatever.

The brown hair is fine too, though. I think that's normal. They're not always blonde hair, blue eyes. But it's just a strong Aaron trait. It's why Harry the Air is, it's why Harry the Air though is like, you know, regarded as looking just like a John Aaron did in his youth. Yeah. Yeah.

And I will say it's, it's interesting because also you were talking about what, Balor, Breakspear, Valor, Valor. I don't know how to say his name. Valor like seemed seemed he seemed like a pretty nice kid we saw of him rainies we don't know how well she would have been as a ruler she was like all of like single digit age but darren probably not great but i don't know it's there's a there's an idea of like wow we really fucking missed out on some of these dark haired rulers you know some of them like i met rainey's um baratheon oh

coloring like the current one but yeah her too that too i thought you meant the child who was murdered yeah no i i moreover mean like yeah people that were straight up in line to be the heir that makes way more sense i i don't know why i've just been thinking a lot about baby rainey's a lot for some reason it's because of our rainies the conqueror that actually literally might be why yeah literally that actually literally might be why um i don't know with the hair thing it does make me think of like jace also having i don't know he's got we i think we discussed this in previous episodes but like he's got some sort of interplay with alan's character you know being like eldest son bastard and like also the older brother damned yeah yeah that kind of like responsibility all this weight on their shoulders

and stuff but also like you know him being like do you did you think i would have brown hair like i'm thinking of alan being like did you think i would have white hair dad or did you not think about that when you took my mom into your bed as well like similar to like the way that jace was thinking because that that boy has had to shave his head all the fucking time since he was a child yeah makes me think of that line of like john questioning what ned and his mother did you know well his father would have done this wouldn't he wouldn't he yeah well ned and your mom did very wholesome things except for the part where she dies um some people think otherwise they're wrong um also still can't decide if the gullet is this season or next i really feel like they're

gonna cliff hang it for the gullet i don't think it's gonna be in full i think we're gonna get the setup i fear that it's gonna be a classic classic last episode Thrones thing where we get a lot of setup and only a few major plot like answers. I just I can't decide. Go ahead. I don't I'm I'm still in between. I don't think we're going to get the fall of Heron of the fall of King's Landing. Like I'm like, I don't know.

I don't know if they'll be able to fit it, it is like a 70 minute episode so oh shit okay yeah i just maybe the beginning maybe it's all the beginning of these things in cliffhanger maybe they could like because there are ships last episode like not last episode in the trailer i i didn't like check the the sigil and it would tell me what it was but also then you see tylen getting thrown around in the mud and so i'm like what uh that's tyrosh because you have a man with green hair in the back well exactly so he's still there which means like they couldn't have agreed yet to the gullet plot so i'm like is the gullet next or like is it showing us like wow they immediately agreed and we're not gonna do like the whole debating thing i i just like can't decide like if it's next episode or like beginning of season three i think it's set up because they're sending all those ships against the blockade right to try to

break through yeah so that will take more than a day okay no you're right to the blockade to get to the fighting i mean i think that it'll just be the agreement the contract the setup yeah and you know you and i have been wondering how they could pad out the seasons and i'm telling you here's a great way we start off episode two of season three in lease with the roger oh my god yes i'm serious what they did? I'd be so fucking happy. Please, Ryan. Okay, a lot of things that I wish for Ryan have come true. So not all of them, right? We didn't get that else.

But a lot of them have. So if I manifested enough, he could give me the lysine spring. I'm praying. I'm praying. Ryan Condal, my only child. Well, maybe not. Lysine spring, please. It's the only child I will ever have. A dream of lysine spring. That's the only child i will ever have a dream of lysine spring that's me

um maybe not talking necessarily about the rojars right now but to go a little on you let's talk about the the raniera and mizaria moments that were very brief but were definitely there and m Mizaria in general. A couple of these notes I definitely wrote after having a couple vodkas and sodas, so bear with me, but Mizaria watching from the corner, giving Littlefinger, giving very Littlefinger

in Winterfell watching things happen vibes and like making eye contact with Sansa. And that line that Mazaria said basically that was saying that she has worked at a brothel where Targaryens and Valyrians alike have

made babies for generations. Generations. So she's basically saying she's a professional at procuring Targaryen pretenders or claimants to the throne. Do you think this could come back and be bad in any way, shape, or form?

What could go wrong? Gaiman Palehair, is that you? Trystane Truefire, is that you? Tristane Truefire, is that you? Do you think we'll get both of them? I think we might. I don't know. Again, like you said, anything's possible because of Ryan Condal. In Ryan Condal, we trust.

Yeah, my Sour Patch Kid. Yeah, I don't know if we'll get both or not but i do think that i do think if we get one of them i think we will get game and pale hair or like a version of that because we have to if we are doing any of the egg in the third stuff which i don't no one's gonna give me all that that's silly i still want it sorry i think we're gonna at least get game and pale here it was already set up yeah we saw the fighting pits we already have sylvena we already have diana yeah i mean it's been set up it's been set up it's not something you can really take out because you need to also do something when rhaenyra does have the throne next season yeah you can't take this from me you need the taxes to be awful and people to riot against her you need

pretenders to rise up and you need the storming of the dragon pit. Those are like the three perfect storm kind of events right there. Yeah, absolutely. Did you know that our theory was proven again this week? That Misaria is mushroom confirmed? People are raving about this theory. Well, in the books mushroom says when jace pointed out that storm cloud had never been ridden that moon dancer was but a hatchling

that taraxes was far away in the veil with prince joffrey and demanded to know where mushroom proposed to find more dragons the dwarf tells us he laughed and said, Under the sheets and in the wood piles, wherever your Targaryen spill your silver seed. Which is what Misaria said. That Rhaenyra would have better luck looking under the sheets and in the wood piles for Targaryen dragon seeds. Musharia. Mushroomaria. Musharia. Musharia. Mizroom. Mizroom.

Mizroom. Mizroom. Mizroom. Mushroom. Mushroom. Mushroom. We're working on it. Mushroom if you're nasty. Oh my god. Yes. Yes. Absolutely.

I think there's something there. I really do. Yeah. Okay. I'm excited about it. Speaking of seeds of things also and seeds of betrayals and you talking about Misaria being able to procure these Targaryen heirs to challenge claims, I have been kind of thinking about it.

You're starting to see the seeds of how Rhaenyra might start going down a very different path and I could see Misaria start sabotaging things, singing the whispering paranoia into her ear very much like, I don't know, Varies did. It's there. Yeah. It is there. Their beginning.

Absolutely. If she starts being like, so Rhaenyra, you're not going to help the small folk, like you said you would, and really just start kind of um working towards that demise ruining her life yeah yeah yeah exactly ruining her life well and that's kind of something that i've been feeling is she's putting mizaria into such a powerful position right now over her like yeah this is maybe not a good idea yeah i agree like um and and jace is

also like what the fuck is going on here? Yeah, that's interesting. Especially then you think about her in Book with Mushroom as well. So forming them into one character really actually does work because they both are in her ear. Oh, yeah. Good point. Good point. The Dragon Keepers abandoning Rhaenyra kind of felt really important.

This isn't just that they're abandoning this activity they're abandoning her they're leaving yeah like long term like it almost feels like something that could happen to danny with like the red god supporters or something if she doesn't do what they want i kind of feel like it's not the red god supporters it's like some other some other faction or something yeah something because like the red god supporters feel a bit more like what's going on with like reynira now what she's building in in lieu of the dragon keepers but i just don't really yeah because like when when i was watching with people they're like wait so why didn't the dragon keepers just fucking claim dragons and i think that's the thing right like they are so into the idea of like the whole exceptionalism thing and like there there is

like a wow leopards could eat my face like they they love the hierarchy and like there are people but not just that but they love the dragons they i mean i think there's not only the supremacy side of it obviously which exists i think that's part of it like they're passionate about their role they're passionate about tradition and upkeeping that like these are noble magical beasts and not just anyone should be on them but also like they don't agree to the folly of basically dangling people in front of them that probably will die is that i don't know if that's what they were i I mean, maybe it is, but like that wasn't the sense of what- I think it's both.

Yeah, I think it could be both. To me, like I didn't necessarily see them as like protesting against that per se, because if you like, the tradition of the dragon keepers in general is one that's built on blood if you look at the history of old Valyria. So I wouldn't see them as like necessarily against

that maybe so much as like the idea that it is reserved for a very special chosen magical few and then it calls into question their own station right if that's not if anyone could do it it's definitely more than just the supremacy it's also like a mad thing to do to bring like 50 plus people that don't. Oh, yeah. Like right here that aren't a part of it into the room and offer them up to dragons and see what happens. Like I do think they have some knowledge. And that's the other big part of this. Like she just let all of this knowledge walk away and leave forever.

Like these people that have this innate knowledge of the dragons and of how the dragons live and mate it's just like a first step and set up for the storming of the dragon pit and the dying of the dragons in totality that's a good point yeah i wonder what's interesting they're lore keepers as well as dragon keepers like they are to quote um magnolia 4 on twitter about mean, what's going on with Rhaenyra and like, throwing in these 50 people and also like, you know, the speech she gives everyone, like, this person on Twitter goes by the name

Ned Stannis, but the A in the Stannis is spelled with a C. This person's hilarious. I really like them. But goes, kind of liking this Rhaenyra Al-Gaib direction they're going in, which is, I think, yeah, that it's kind of the vibe that we're going with, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

I'm totally loving, like, you literally know, like, she has been told she's the Chosen One, and it's being proven in front of her, so why shouldn't she? Right? Why shouldn't she send all these 50 people in to die plus 50 plus people of these dragon seed small folk to die at the hands of dragons in hopes you can get two weapons of mass dragon up in the air yeah you start interpreting all every single like boon as like this this might this must have been for me right it's must have been like well that was really fortunate and lucky and so it i think that's really interesting it's actually i guess it's kind of like the way that amen feels about things too being like it should have been me yeah side note the show the showrunners they just they just love setting people on fire

like literally that's what i learned from the house the dragons built they love setting people on fire, like literally. That's what I learned from the House of Dragons built. They love setting people on fire. Oh yeah. Like that's real fire, everyone. They gotta be practiced. You know, there's lots of fire to come. Yeah, that's real fire and real people being set on fire with, I guess, like safety precautions, but still like, fuck. Commitment. Yeah.

fuck commitment yeah i will quote before we move on to the dragon seeds the elder dragon keeper the valyrian that he speaks to raniera he says the dragons are sacred they are the last magic of old valyria in this sad world they are not pieces on a board for the games of men our order will take no part in this let's's talk about the cream of the crop. Let's all go to Dragonmont. Yo, before we go anywhere in this, just holy shit, another epic episode of television. Actually, though, I do think I thought that it was,

I think this was a really good episode amongst the ones this season i was just delighted like i was just delighted the entire time uh i love silver wing with her horns oh so sleek her her face is so pointy i love it like an arrow i'm eating so good i'm eating so good if i get to see dream fire before you know she dies um i will be eating like sheep stealer you know what i mean um yeah sheep stealer is even good you're right she eats she ate sheep stealer eight episode eight wow i love silver wings kind of maternal side it looks like oaf actually fell into a clutch of eggs and got covered in like the egg goo yeah so when silver wing is like boop snooting him

i think she's like get the fuck out of there but also i think she thinks that like he's her like child grandchild basically this man child is mine yeah i do feel she's like oh you're covered in my maternal womb goo now you're my child let's go for a ride and i love that then she's like let's go to king's landing and it's obvious that he is not necessarily telling her where to go but maybe maybe that's how the connection works maybe they both want to go there right he wants to go finally have glory over kings right like he's been false bragging about for years and she i don't know she wants to go see the place where alice ann grew up where there were songs at court before it turned into a horror show with maegor and her sweet children and the good memories she did have

there right like maybe she's remembering some of Alysanne's happiness too and that she autopilots to King's Landing yeah that was home for a really long time for her and also like yeah you're right maybe that is why she's like oh yeah you're covered in Maegu it's like wholesome Alien or something. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, Wholesome Alien. And yeah, there's part of it where, I mean, I think he's obviously not in control of going over there, right? Which is what we saw happen with Adam. I mean, obviously, we've been talking about Arya Targaryen. So that's not like unheard of. But there's a little bit that's kind of like, you guys, I got a new car.

Check out my new ride. To like his friends who were all like, oh, oh, oh. I was like, this is just like the time that I got a whole bar to cheer to make my friend sing karaoke. And turns out he was getting closer by nine inch nails. I think I've told this story before. Yes. Also, like, speaking of memories that Silverwing has like vagar rising out and silver wing flying away i'm like silver wings like not again bitch i'm not about to get trapped by you again because that's what the senya did to jairis and aliceanne for a bit there on dragon stone oh yeah yeah i

love that like straight up ulf is on her back and she's like, Come on, Alysanne. God, you smell bad, Alysanne. Alysanne, you're so different. You're so different. In regards to the sewing itself, the actual sewing, I don't know why those guards weren't just letting those dragon seeds leave. Just let them run away. Clearly they weren't qualified. They don't have to stay for the whole job interview yeah that's fair i mean could have let them go but it was kind of like red sewing red wedding when you think about it now

that you've brought it up i'm like yeah there is a little red wedding to it that they were like barred the doors bye they didn't have to they really didn't have to i guess maybe the guards didn't want to leave their post because like that's dishonorable for them and like move. Because I was like, they could have left too. Everyone could have fucking left. I did like, so Rhaenyra like, you know, she goes in the back and comes out at the balcony on top. And like at first we were all like, oh, she's just fucking leaving. She's like, good luck.

But she wasn't. She was there watching it. And it felt like a callback, you know, watching from above on that balcony to season one when she was looking at the people vying for the spot on the Kingsguard. Yes. Maybe, maybe.

A little bit, yeah. Yeah. I could see that. I don't know. There was a framing of the shot when Vermithor comes out that felt a little bit like, is this also like a visual reference to the time that Daenerys was in front of Drogon in the last season of Game of Thrones? Oh, yeah, yeah.

It's not exactly the same. That shot where they eat Varys? Uh, no, the shot, the shot. No? I don't even remember that one I blocked out so much of that I just I'm thinking the one where she emerges in King's Landing right and Drogon's like wings come out behind her oh the wings yeah it's an iconic scene yeah that's true okay I see that I see that yeah I was thinking of when uh she burdenates Varys and Drogon's head like looms out of the darkness.

It's actually a very cool shot. Like whatever you want to say about season eight and seven, that shot is so cool. They had cool shots, just not cool story. I mean, sometimes not even always cool shots. So that's why it sticks out to me. Because sometimes no, not like this show. We're eating so good. Yeah, Joe Magician reshared

recently, like, you know, just a small little clip of Brienne getting knighted again. I was like, oh, that was good. And I teared up watching that one again. I will say, also, from the behind the scenes, from the behind the scenes, I love that they

one of them was talking about, he's like, yeah, he's called the Bronze Fury because he's bronze and he's furious. I was like, okay, thanks. Thanks for that explanation about Verminthor. It would be nice to have an actual explanation right behind the nicknames. I would love that. That man was just tired. He's like, what the fuck? Why are you asking me this?

But I like that they included it. It's cute. There is a little bit of an element of that. Like I said, some of the after shows, the one that's right after the episode, is like, give them a break they just had to go through and live this season don't make them talk about it again so soon especially knowing how long like shoots can last like how many hours that is yeah yeah i'm like we talk about it forever every week they have to talk about it forever imagine and they're not just

talking about it like some of them they're like just talking about it. Like some of them, they're like on set. This is in the middle of them standing around for like 11 hours, running around a whole set for like 11 to 12 hours. Like, dang. I too would just be like, yeah, he's called the bronze fury.

Cause he's bronze and he's furious. I think that's kind of all we know anyways. So to be fair, our budget and our season got slashed. What do you want? This is fucking during a writer's strike. I don't have any writers to write this copy for me. What do you want from me?

So. We are tired. I will say, had I not been so delighted by this entire episode and everything about it, maybe I'd be more critical of the last scene of Aemond going over with Vhagar. But actually, I don't fucking care. It was great. I love any scene with a dragon on my TV. I'm gonna watch it.

And I really love that we get that great last shot of Rhaenyra with the dragons roaring behind her and all the dragons. Roar does one. Yes. Yeah, that was cool. That to me was fine and worth it for the scene just to get there just so that we know this means war, war. We've gone to the gas station, gotten our snacks.

We fueled up, got all the dragons we ride now motherfuckers we ride yeah yeah i'm excited let's ride let's ride thank you for joining us for the penultimate season two house of the dragon episode seven the red sewing. I have been one of your hosts, Chloe. And I've been another one of your hosts, Eliana.

And do not forget, do not forget, join us in Dire Wolf City next week after the season finale. The episode eight. To the Dire Wolf City. Yeah. Where the grass is green and the wolves are pretty. That is the song that they use.

Yeah, they do. Yeah. So go see us there. Well, hopefully episode eight will have also eight. I'm never going to be. We're going to eight next week. Episode eight. Oh, goodbye.

Goodbye.