Girls Gone Canon Cast - House of the Dragon: Unleash the D S2E1 Ft. Chika of Shoujo Sundae

Episode Date: May 29, 2024

We're back with UNLEASH THE D for season two of House of the Dragon. Tune in for a very casual unserious episode with a twist: this episode is BOOK SPOILER FREE (mostly), and will be the ONLY episode we post during the season that is book spoiler free. Chika comes along for the ride to tell us her opinions on that Dragon Show as someone who has not read the books. Chika shares her initial impressions on season one with us and reveals her alliances.   Where to find Chika on the Web -  https://twitter.com/ChikaSupreme https://twitter.com/ShoujoSundae https://linktr.ee/shoujosundae https://www.patreon.com/ShoujoSundae https://www.shoujosundae.com/

Hello and welcome to Girls Gone Canon Unleash the D. Season 2, Episode 1, our primer series on House of the Dragon, Season 2. Feat featuring our friend Chica. I'm one of your hosts Chloe. I am another one of your hosts Eliana and yes this week this we are kicking off the whole season with Chica another other one of your hosts. Hey Chica thanks for coming on we missed you um it's been like literally a year we were talking about. I think last time we hung out was around your birthday. Oh my god. Yeah, I think and it's around my birthday this time too. At least by the time this episode comes out, my birthday would have passed. So hi everybody. Wow. You're just giving out your personal information. Love it.

I'll be collecting your social security number offline. Yeah. I don't want to share that with everyone else. That's a for us thing. Gotta give you my life insurance. All that. Absolutely. Wow.

For sure. Oh my God, are you coming on to me, Chika? We're really excited to have Chika on because Chika is bringing a point of view that is not very represented on our podcast ever, which is mostly, well, doesn't read the books. Does not read the books. A little spoiled, but we're going to keep this non-spoilers, no book spoilers this episode, which is kind of unique to us. Eliana, do you want to tell the crowd why that's unique?

Chloe and I are lazy. So that's why we have full spoilers episodes but no actually um i think that this is going to be as of right now the only no spoilers episode you're going to get of house of the dragon because next week and so forth we are going to be discussing things regarding the House of the Dragon in full. So when we do our analyses of each episode of the House of the Dragon season, those are going to be discussing things from the entirety of Fire and Blood, which is where much of the story of House of the Dragon comes from. But we know that many of you have been asking for this so here you go here is our take and we couldn't do it without chica we really i'm just so happy to be here y'all i love you know i love

game of thrones and hot d is fun so i just re-watched it and i'm having a blast like i was trying to like empty my brain and forget about the books right because i'm gonna like barrel through and reread fire and blood probably this whole weekend uh for other episodes and other guests that we'll tell you about very soon but yeah we're very excited to have you on especially because we love your perspective you did a lot of stuff with castle black for season one and of course you've been on for sailor Moon Crystal on Magical Girls Gone Canon. We couldn't have done that without you either, quite honestly. Can you tell us about Shoujo Sunday and a little bit about your podcast? Yeah, sure. So my podcast is Shoujo Sunday. We

review and reflect on Shoujo media that deserves more attention than what it currently receives shoujo is uh basically just a marketing demographic in japan that is targeting specifically girls while um i think most people if you're aware of anime a lot of people are aware of shounen which is targeted to boys so we're just kind of doing our part in spreading awareness on the great shoujo shows and films that come out and analyzing them with ice cream puns. So yes, I mean, in a nutshell, that is what I do on a bi-weekly basis.

So if y'all are into anime, in particular shoujo, but in general, if you'reall are into anime in particular shoujo but in general if you're into anime definitely check out shoujo sunday yeah and you know not to be like that but it's girls gone canon not boys gone canon yeah right so shoujo it is some of the stuff that you're covering is something that I've been looking to watch. But yeah, I mean, my first fandoms were actually within Shoujo media. So here we are now. I'm going to mispronounce this,

but it seems like you covered Ooku. And I actually really want to watch that. Yeah, see, that was a time. That was a time. It's not that it's just, it's a lot. It's heavy. But I mean, if we're into like, we're into Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon,

like it's going to be like, oh, okay, it's just a different version of heaviness. I would say in particular, if there are Game of Thrones or Hot D fans that want to get into anime but haven't, but you kind of want the same source material, you could read... I don't recommend the anime. You could read Requiem of the Rose King. We haven't reviewed it yet but i've read it and it is based off of the same history as game of thrones because i know that i know game of thrones is based off of the war of the roses right yeah definitely influenced yeah so it's off of the same

stuff and then richard is cool the protagonist or main person but they're intersex so it's just very cool um oh it's just very interesting so i would highly recommend that to you guys i didn't know about this story that's neat i'm gonna add that to my list too you know we brought you on especially because we need your expertise when we have characters like shonen classic amen targaryen uh to talk about today right yeah yeah he's got that sephiroth like oh my god yeah you know and the um insane maniacal grin yeah we'll talk about him today for sure uh can you tell them where to find shojo sunday real quick yeah um you guys can find shojo sunday that's shojo with a u

um and sunday like ice cream sunday you can find us on all podcast platforms and our website www.shojosunday.com we're a fun time so yeah just to go find us on there and like check us out yeah they're the best thank you it was sung by our

friend Paita she is J-pop idol Kai guy idol Paita don't come for my throat okay I'll try it She's J-pop idol or kai-guy idol. Paido, don't come for my throat. Okay, I'll try it. But she is an idol and she is amazing. Y'all might have heard her song Future Town.

I know that that went viral. She's gone viral a couple of times. I think she has a new song out called Planet Killer, which is a lot of fun. But yeah. I think I've heard her a lot song out called Planet Killer, which is a lot of fun. But yeah. I think I've heard her a lot on TikTok actually. Yeah. Well, thank you for joining us. Really excited to have you.

We're going to do a quick bit of housekeeping up top. Yes, we will be covering House of the Dragon as well as doing a little bit of Unleash the D to prime you for that season. So next week we will have another guest tell you that in a second. And the week after that, we will have an episode as well. Guest to be decided. Might just be us. Might be us telling you. I'm the guest. I'm a guest. No, I'm considered a guest host on Unle d oh god i introduced myself wrong oh my god i'm an idiot at the end i'll have you record and i'm your other guest host liana and i'm your guest host oh my god we will have three episodes of unleash the d leading up to house of the dragon

and then after house of the dragon wait there's. We'll be back with two more episodes before we come back to our main podcast that we're running, which is, if this is your first time here, A Song of Ice and Fire, point of view by point of view character at a time. We are in the last four of our point of view order. That's kind of a big deal. Like this is the last quarter, third, third of the published story. There's some chunky chapters in there. So we will be returning in the end of summer, early autumn

with the epilogues, two chapters of the epilogues and then a new POV, which puts us in our final three, which are all biggies all biggies so during hot d uh and before you can expect unleash the d in house of the dragon to release on wednesdays wednesdays at a podcast platform near you or over at our patreon patreon.com slash girls gone canon that is where you can find bonus episodes if you're in the Stranger tier and above.

And for Thunder tier and above, there is Discord access and access to Girls Gone Canon events like Brappy Hour. Our brunch slash happy hour, as Eliana likes to call it. More info over there. We'll link you below to that as well as where to find Shoujo Sunday and where to find Shoujo Sunday. And next week we will have another guest. You know, the whole point of Unleash the D is bring on guests, bring on our friends, bring on people that we like and want to talk about the things we like with, right? One of the reasons we love talking about the spoilers besides being lazy is we love the books. We love to bring those details in.

So it's exciting to bring people into that world or to bring people who like that world too. And next week we're having someone on who is no stranger to the worlds of George. Ha. Oh, the stranger. Ha.

Yeah. I was like, Oh God, what are we talking about? This guest like crap. Yeah. Not that kind of stranger, but no stranger to the worlds of George R.R. Martin. You may know him from YouTube.com, where he has done some videos on the foods of Ice and Fire, a fellow food podcaster.

We respect that. Or you might know him from his team ups on YouTube with a friend alt shift x but we will be having our friend glidus on to chat about house of the dragon next week yeah it's uh it's exciting i think we're going to be talking about spectacle in the books and show and how it translates to screen so don't miss out on that yeah i'm excited to talk about this i'm also excited to i'm sorry i'm gonna sneak in some thoughts on like what did you think about the food in there's a lot of food scenes um yeah in the first season but i'm curious if we'll still get them in the second season i don't know know. I really don't. I legitimately don't. Absolutely agreed. The food is

amazing looking. Like the feast in Pentos. Oh yeah. Yeah. The pomegranates. Oh my god. They look good. They looked good. Alright, well join us next week for that. And for now, back

to our friend Chica and let's talk a little bit about your history with not just House of the Dragon, but Game of Thrones, right? You liked Game of Thrones first, which I think is probably common, right? A lot of people probably wouldn't go on to watch dragon incest show without having primed themselves, right? So tell me how you got kind of into game of thrones chica yeah so i started watching game of thrones when i was in college and i was just like oh this is this is fun i don't know and then and then i was just like oh you know what's gonna happen with with sansa i was just like sansa i don't think this is gonna this isn't this don't look as fun and then i was just like okay aria and all of a sudden the daddy got got and i was like oh shit daddy got got yeah and i was like okay what what now so oh man i kept watching it and then um i think in particular i was very into um there's this other podcast called the black guy who tips and they would start uh they started recapping it and like throwing in different jokes and so i used to just listen to them very religiously i don't

like i mean of course i still listen to them but in particular their game of thrones stuff like i'd fall asleep to that so that's how some things kind of got stuck in my brain i was just like okay this wait what's gonna happen then i started looking into theories um so i would watch like gray area i would watch i would watch quinn's ideas i was like okay i'm just i'm swimming in the lore like this is fun like okay cool um and then i was working at one point i was working with for all nerds and they have the Castle Black podcast and they were gonna start recapping Hot D and then I was just

like you know can I? I like Game of Thrones. I'm interested in Hot D. So then I was able to guest co-host with them for that first season and that was a lot of fun. That's a lot to like go

from game of thrones and hop right into hot d though right like this is you know it's all based out of stories side stories that he's written the author george rr martin i don't know if anyone knows him whoops but it's all side stories right like these are things that you can read the main books and there's a couple of references, which gives a little rich world building, but it's not about that, you know? So it's kind of fun to see them on screen, but I also, it makes me wonder like, you know, how does that affect somebody who hasn't read all the books 800 times?

Right? Like sometimes I watch a show and I'm like, is it good? Or do I love a swath? So you got real into game of Thrones and then you went right to hot D and you're still into it. You like it. You like it a lot still. Yeah. Yeah.

I was just like, Oh, this is so messy. Like I felt like I was in, like I was in my medieval era. Cause like, you know, if you have different,

I wouldn't say this is um inherent with all grandmothers but sometimes if you had to stay with your grandmother and she'd be watching her soap operas and so it's like oh she's turning on her stories like i was like oh this is this is mine this is my story yes it's medieval we got dragons what the siblings are screwing each other what what like myth mythical things are happening people are gonna die prophecies this is nice i like it i'm connected but i also was like a xena girl like when she did the call like i won't mimic it but when she did the call i was like oh you know so i think I was just already in line to get into, like, Game of Thrones and Hot D because of that. The Jamie Cersei incest and the Danny John incest segue to bring you on this journey.

But that's, I feel like it's very kind of subdued compared to how deep we're getting into it in House of the Dragon, which makes sense because it's a bigger display of the Targaryens. But yesterday and today on my rewatch, I was like, how do you even know what to call each other? Because you're all cousin, uncle, niece blends. Like, Rhaenys is like, that's my cousin. And I'm like, yeah, it is. I'm like, but what do you call the rest of the family that's intermarried? That's this, that's it it's a lot more i feel like rich in that tapestry how does that like anime's got a lot i feel like of lines that blur too yeah unfortunately i feel like it's kind of more

i don't know why like it's i don't maybe game of thrones kind of primed me to be like oh okay some incest in medieval stuff is okay in anime it just feels that much worse because it's just like yeah yeah actually you're right but in here it's like this is like so far removed like what's this is i don't know how it's for me it's just different like yeah yeah i think maybe because in anime sometimes it takes place in a more modern society like i remember being a little weirded out and i understand that they weren't siblings like in the previous life or something i i had read a bit of angel sanctuary a long long time ago and i was like okay well i guess that's a thing or also like that we got pretty close there for a bit with Angel Sanctuary a long, long time ago. And I was like, okay, well, I guess that's a thing. Or also, like, we got pretty close there for a bit with, what was it, Marmalade Boy.

It almost happened, but it wasn't. So I was like, all right, I guess I'm ready for this when Game of Thrones happened. And then, yeah, for House of the Dragon, I'm like, well, that's it. We're just going all in. Yeah, just full hog now. Yeah. Oh my god, full hog. Oh my god.

I mean, because there's like subtle shit like Revolutionary Girl Utena, right? But then there's like obviously deeper stuff like What a Remo. There's a bunch of other animes like I haven't watched in a while. But I just feel like as a kid, or not a kid, but a kid but teenager i probably didn't think about it about my watching habits because i watched a lot of anime in my teens especially my late teens i got very into it that shit's everywhere in that but it's way different and i think there is a little desensitization right like the game of thrones because i don't think that game of thrones highlighted it being incest for john and danny as much i mean very vaguely in the last two seasons but like other

than cersei and jamie lancel and cersei wasn't a problem right like it was more like lancel how could you that's the queen yeah yeah cersei was more like whatever it's just my cousin oh wait if anybody was like a flowers of the attic people see i feel like there were just different things that came about that was just like this is a fad and it's just like i'm disgusted but i'm still reading like yeah and then it just it led up to this and it's like okay at this point yeah yeah yeah it's also like you know i had studied a bit of the hapsburgs in the past i was like oh i guess i guess someone's marrying their uncle like not sure um but you know that's just how it goes like their portraits was it was kind of like pA of not doing this, because the chin just kept getting bigger every time.

It's like, oh god, okay. Some of the nice portraits though, that's early Photoshop. That was the early Photoshop. I think there were like four or five uncle-niece marriages going on for the Habsburgs, right? I know there's at least one with one of the Phillips, I want to say. Of Spain. There's two Phillips of Spain. There's two and

four, I think, both. I'm thinking of Philip II, who I think so, but I might be wrong. That was him and Anne? No. No, her name begins with the letter M. I want to say her name's like one. That was him and Anne? No. No, it begins with a letter. Her name begins with the letter M. I want to say her name's like one of the Marias or something like that.

I forgot. He had a couple of wives. Yeah, no, because I think there was Philip IV and Philip II both, like, marrying them, which is hysterical to me. Very hysterical. So, I mean, it's not, I mean, obviously it has precedent. Either way. Well, but that's the thing is, like, I think especially in the source material like it

is more normalized for the targaryens obviously because that is part of their ancestry and what they did and whatever so like it's good that it's so normalized in the way they bring it up but i was just interested and wanted to know i was curious if it was like very jarring because my mom texted me pretty much when rhaenyra and daemon hooked up and was like, oh my god, finally. And I'm like, mother! Mother! Redacted name right now. I was not saying mother, I was saying her name. I think I was here with you. I think you might have been in my house at the time.

I think I might have been like, uh, and put my phone out. But insane. yeah yeah I think you might have been in my house at the time I think I might have been like uh and put my phone out but insane so like you were like you said you really had to find out what happened to the Starks you were like let's go figure them out because that's sad but what did you have any arcs in Thrones that was like your big what was your big emotional investment and then what's your big emotional investment now like what are you like very invested in in this show yeah so game of thrones i was very invested in like the no one saga like and jock and hagar and i because i came up with so many conspiracies i was just like somebody's gonna pop up they're gonna start killing like it's just here there everywhere you don't know who like you think you're talking to

somebody is that really Cersei what's T so I was really caught up in that because I was just like ooh and then the hound and Arya I was just like oh my gosh Arya you're gonna turn into like the puppy

because like he's the hound and it's like pseudo dad and that didn't happen and I was just like oh my gosh Arya you're gonna turn into like the puppy cause like he's the hound and it's like pseudo dad and that didn't happen and I was like okay um almost it kind of did I mean I mean it's like yeah it's sort of I mean at the end it was just kind of like

don't be like me yeah I'm gonna cry when he says when she's like Sandor I'm like, listen, don't do it. Yeah. I'm gonna cry. When he says, when she's like, Sandor, I'm like, that's his name. Arya, you did it. Yeah. Yeah. It made me sad. Because I was just like, girl.

I was crying on her, for sure, about the Arya. Sandor. She could still be the puppy. Then they both went. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe the new be the puppy. Then they both win. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe the new and improved puppy, you know? Not like Scrappy-Doo puppy, but like Fido.

I don't know. I don't want to think about Scrappy-Doo. Well, I ruined your day. Yeah. I love the Arya stuff. I'm glad that you really like the Arya stuff. Yeah. Especially because it took you to like Essos and got to see some of these places that we're exploring a little bit more i feel like

in hot d yeah true yeah i really i really like vibed with aria um john and danny pissed me off oh yeah let's get into the things you didn't like i was just like so okay so you're clapping cheeks with your aunt and then somebody comes over to you and it's just like she's losing it oh my god you gotta you gotta stop it and so now you're gonna go against not only are you going against your love, you're going against your family. And then you didn't even become like the big kahuna. He didn't. It was Bran the Broken, which, what a name. What a last four seasons, huh? Right, it was like Bran the Brain, you know.

Ooh, ooh. The Blessed. Like, yeah, Blessed. Broken? Yeah, that's kind of rude. It's pretty rude. It's a rude name. Yeah, it just pissed me off.

Because I was just like, like, you just need somebody to go over to you. And, like, that's just it. So all them nights that y'all were all, like, cuddled up, bumping uglies, that didn't mean anything. Like, I'll always... Just love what and then i was mad because i wanted um i wanted drogon to let his ass on fire too like man fuck it everybody yeah screw the chair they did a better john and danny and hot d with alice into muneera than they did with john and danny is my hot take i'm like you that's how you do it you slow burn yeah not fast burn yeah it's a slow burn

i needed two more seasons before i would have accepted it yeah yeah maybe one i could have done one i guess but it would have had to be good yeah yeah they were like she's losing it she didn't put on concealer for one day one day just like me for real right yeah and i mean i like that she went because like missandei was that girl like fuck everybody like that's the last thing she asked for yeah that's the last thing she asked for and she was just like well let's go so to me you've known her this whole time and now oh she's acting she's just acting how she's been acting hello like now you want to notice that you're letting all these other people in your ear and then what now you're cold yeah that's true with nobody because then the other girl was dead too who's his wife rose leslie i mean she's fine no but i mean that's what i meant

so it's just like yeah yeah um i was upset because i slightly did spoil myself because i was watching all these different theory videos i wanted to see catelyn come back so bad i was just like oh my god yes like mother come on zombie mother come on like yeah i think she can still come back it's not too late you can still bring her back for the ryan condell please r please. Ryan Condal, my only child. The only child I will ever have. Ryan Condal, who is older than I am. Real.

Yeah. Bad news. This story is going to be really fun for the rest of it. So buckle up, Buttercup. Yeah. Hot D, I liked. Okay, I know that it wasn't really alluded to, so this is kind of show only,

but I liked the tension between Allison and Raymira. I was just like, ooh, like, sister, like, ooh, like, sister. Like, come on. Because girl relationships are so much deeper and betrayable. Yeah. Yeah. Some, not to generalize, but many women tend to have really deep bonds with others when

they do mate with another woman as their mate. Like Eliana and I i you know like i would say we have a deep bond you know eliana betrayed me um interesting okay just so you know uh i will have you know one of the characteristics of my shine one of my favorite characters loyal One of my favorite characters, Loyal. Oh, yeah. That's coming, too, this season. Spoilers.

Maybe. Ooh. I actually don't know. I love the way they paint that relationship, too. And I think it's so... Yeah. Okay, like, I was re-watching season one, right? And, oh, man, the dinner. When Rhaenyra leaves or goes to leave and Alicent holds her arm at the cut and is like,

so soon you're leaving? And I'm like, no, girls, you can still make it work. What are you doing? I actually did kind of tear up. I was like, what's wrong with me? What is going on here? It makes it like the way that they end up getting so vindictive, it's just like there's more there

like i feel like when i try to think of like explanation on why allison is being the way that she is or responding it's because like yes they were like sisters but it's not sisters. It's not cousins. It's love. And like, they just never got to like, it just was, it's like just this tension that was there and now it's gone and it's going to be crazy. Like, ugh. It's a long extension. Even if it was like sisters, it doesn't preclude love based on Rhaenyra's family it can be

both it can be both it can be both yeah yeah I agree I know like some people didn't love that stylistic choice but I thought it actually was great it heightened the drama and the tension of like everything that happened and also I mean

even Rhaenyra crying when she gets handed the tension of like everything that happened and also i mean even rainiera crying when she gets handed the little page like damn that was that's that's that's intensity you know allison held on to that fucking piece of paper her whole goddamn life yeah that's love that especially after it follows like after that follows rainies of speech to her right of her saying like you want to get a window in your prison. Like, that's what you're dreaming. You're not dreaming breaking the whole thing down. You're dreaming just a little bit of security for yourself.

And because that's all she's ever been allowed to dream, right? Like, she's not allowed to dream in the sky like the Targaryens are. She's not. That's not who she is and there's this crazy thing that i noticed yesterday in episode one when they're canoodling under the weirwood tree yeah and you know uh her and raniera in that scene are like sitting there and she's like raniera aren't you worried about your station when your mom gives birth to a boy like wouldn't that be a problem and renear is like no it i just like hanging out with you i want to go dragon riding with you and then it like an episode or two episodes later when after

rainier has been named heir allison completely flips and like renear is actually worried and she's like don't you see like they're trying to screw me out of my birthright allison and allison's like well i can't really be bothered like Like, you're the air girl. I did my job. We're good. We're good. And there's like this, like really interesting switch in that. And then Alison marries Viserys, whether she likes it or not. And that marriage, like that changes everything for her because it gives her that level of security. And those threats to that security and how like, she's not supposed to be in this position, right? Like she has to work her ass off to stay there that just that like separation of class and that she's a Targaryen she's a Hightower Hightowers will never be

Targaryens you can make a Targaryen you can make a part Targaryen baby but you will never be them you will never be the gods right and never be the gods, right? And that is so interesting because it adds like that whole layer of tragedy of like what happens when you love a god and when you're devoted to a god. A god can't love you the same way you love it, right? Yeah. Tragedy.

It's a fucking tragedy. It killed me today. Girl, when I watched that, when she grabbed the arm and the tenderness, I was like, oh, oh, God. When did this happen to me? How am I crying? Because the kids, like, they don't know. Like, they don't get.

Yeah, that's true. Like, the level of depth that was once between them, all they knew was just this hate. But it was never, never like always like that and then you'd have um alicent being disgusted by the idea of rainiera and damon but then now she has kids with viseras and now her kids are married to each other and everything and then just it's just interesting to see how, like, things twist and turn and, like, just become so much more convoluted. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was just jealousy, though.

She's like, right here, you slept with someone and they weren't me. Yeah. Yeah. She's like, she would never lie to me. Girl. It isn't your lie to me, girl. vignettes and the looks in and the time jumps in the first half are actually on rewatch. I'm like, I have not rewatched it since it aired. So I watched it many times the week each episode would air, but I have not rewatched the whole season since it came out. So this was like a really fresh rewatch. But I think the time jumps were so well done, because you can fill in the

gaps on your own if you have a brain. And like like a lot of people don't want their brains on I get that but I'm like I see it I see the whole picture I see the vision you don't need those in between years because you can see how the resentments grew yeah and how they shoved it away for courtesy and for court and then you can see where the boys learn it from right and you can see those resentments play across them in the training yard so well and uh so well done just having it be that great long burn of time i think the time jumps were really necessary and well done now looking back now i think because they because they were able to since they did those time jumps it's and viserys is at fault here because he just wanted to put a blanket over everything

and it's like putting a blanket over it doesn't guarantee that it's gonna stay there it's gonna get nasty and so all of these people are placating you but at the cost of whatever cordiality, whatever was there, once you're gone, it's over. Like, yeah. Yeah. Like, you don't have to deal with it. Congrats. But that doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't, buddy, which is your job. Yeah.

Yeah. I think the one thing that I would have wanted in a time skip though is just to see a little bit more of uh uh you know harwin strong's like yeah relationship with um with lanor and rhaenyra like they're cried about that like unconventional family i think it could spoil it too though you know i think it's actually like probably better left untouched but like yeah it's too beautiful to be touched you know like i just think like i want more but then like i thought about it and i think it's effective because we don't get shit that's true but it could be fun to have a little happiness I mean when I was looking at it cause like Harwin the actor

he was so fine he was so good looking but he wasn't black and so for me I was just like Rhaenyra come on you couldn't just pick they didn't have a servant

cause like all they needed was just a little dash of something like you couldn't out of all of them yeah yeah maybe even you know maybe Greek I don't know something

something you know little melanin Italian or like something like later yeah turkey baster did a little little melanin italian or like something like later yeah yeah turkey baster did a little yeah and to be fair if we had to to be fair to be fair they weren't fucked until damon and lena had their kids you know like they weren't full they could have gotten away with it but then those beautiful girls were born and and and it was just like i know they had service come on like it just could have it could have been a little bit more ambiguous but i know that that's the point that it wasn't it's supposed to be obvious chica are

you supporting this patriarchy and them shoving these things under the carpet and lying wow chica supports the patriarchy is what i just know i'm just kidding i'm just saying because it's just two plus two is four girl like if even one of if even one of them if even one of them like invite a third you know like don't do some feisty stuff invite a third that so happens to be black and then at least you could have just been like ha like what at least one child yeah i know there's like a spectrum of have yeah if at least one child came out yeah yeah but no for what it's where she says that she regrets it and that she should have too

like she tells laner if you remember she's like i was really hoping one of them would be yours man but in my head i'm like girl i bet you were i really bet you were but i think i mean at that point the main thing was that lanor accepted them so yeah and i mean if the if the actual person that's supposed to be the dad is accepting them okay he's not fighting it well and that was beautiful that was really beautiful like all of that like just like that also that she let him play at court that whole time and like she did need him and his support and he didn't always show but like that he got to have that happiness actually laner was like my favorite little mini arc too that then she was like you don't deserve this i'm gonna save your life i think it was really well done yeah and i'm glad him and carl can go be happy together i really am actually yeah yeah when when like he showed up with his shaved head i was like you go

laner you go you row you row out of here and don't come back gone of him yeah yeah i was thinking that too just he rode through the water and then his sister got in the water next but she just didn't go back you know fortunately dang okay yeah she didn't get to do the fake death but that's fucked up but okay chica what the fuck well i'm being attacked uh chica's here to attack us it's only fair you attack chica well you attacked her briefly no i love that lana was another part that i really i and i enjoyed her while we briefly had her i enjoyed her a lot i did want more Lena and I loved all three actresses were amazing um it was incredibly cast they were they like they all had really great

similar looks they really went for the eyes especially I noticed and like uh the dresses were beautiful that Lena wore yeah really ornament Really ornamented. And, you know, I would, there's going to be a lot of costuming talk for season two, I'm sure, from us coming up in the future. But I really would have loved more time in Pentos. Yeah.

Because that episode was like a one-off. I was disappointed. I was like, man, I would have loved another. I understand we don't have all the time, but that would have been cool to see more of. Mm-hmm. The dresses, the outfits, how they differ, because the style was a little different, but it wasn't necessarily as different as I hoped. Like, Daemon had this awesome jacket that was very different from Westerosi's style, and I wanted more of that.

And I think it would have just been nice to see like how we could compare their mothering styles like Rhaenyra's versus like Lena's and stuff. Because I know it's got to be different. Like not that they aren't both loving. They were. But it's like just different in different ways and stuff. Different expectations of them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting too. different ways and stuff so different expectations of them yeah yeah yeah interesting too considering like lena is still she's still in line to be queen consort technically you know if damon and

raniera hadn't married if lena hadn't died dame damon and raniera hadn't married and damon and lena were still together and he was still in line when viserys died like who's to say that damon might not have taken the charge as we see raniera is reluctant right she doesn't want to cause war her and allison are actually the only ones that are like let's not just murder everyone yeah along with that what were some of your we've talked about i guess hot d faves what were some of the things you didn't love as much yeah hate on it hate on it chica go why are you you brought chica on here right no let's do a whole hater hour i love it kristin cole is a bitch like oh yeah fuck him i would choose the bear i know people talk about yes i would choose the bear i would choose the bear I know people talk about I would choose the bear

I would choose the bear I would choose the boar the boar that attacked over Kristen Cole she did right she did wow because

he was just he was overall just doing too much like you want her to give up your her throne her claim for for some penis

like honey she can get penis anywhere she could get it anywhere you were just there okay like her her her uncle husband was doing like a little diddly here diddly there and she wanted to finish and that's like that's she got diddly i didn't know where the diddlies were going. Diddly here, diddly there. Initially. Initially. You know?

Yeah. The short-term diddly. Yeah. And so she just, she wanted, she wanted to finish. And that's, that's why you were there. Like, you weren't, it's not necessarily, oh, you were that great at it. Like, she was already primed like yeah like yeah so him being mad that he she didn't go off with him it's like

does anybody aspire to be poor like no yes oh my god like he really thought that he had like the greatest dick in the world that like she was gonna give up everything for him and absolutely not no and oh my god the way that he says and you just want me to be your whore or something like that i was like oh my god please shut up oh my gosh there's that great bit too like he has a tell because he says like he acts like he's like dying in love with her and he's like you know let's go to Dorne and I'll do this for you every day and then he's like and you can be my wife because first he says why do you want to be like don't you want to be free and like why do you want to have to be you're he's gonna marry you off to someone else and it's like no you just want her

to marry you yeah that's what you want you want her to get in charge give you a pardon get you out of the king's guard and marry you that's literally what you're thinking right now kristen grow a fucking brain yeah um it's it's definitely like on rewatch i'm like i see it and then he goes so far the other way because then allison just like hey i need to talk to you about something and he's like i did it it was me i fucked raniera uh he i'm like dude if you would have just waited you would have been all right um and then he like feels indebted to her and then you get the flip side of that with larry's making alicent kind of also indebted after and part of the burning down of heron hall you know it's very veep coded actually

for our fans out there it's like when selena is like yeah take care of him and then like they quote take care of him and then she's like did you think i might kill him and he's like yeah you said take care of him um that's literally what happened right like allison just like yeah take care of him and lar Larry's is like, sure thing. Yeah. There's a lot of this, you know, making people accountable for your crimes or part of your crimes like Littlefinger and Sansa. Right. Yeah. And then you're stuck blackmailed on their wing.

And there was some of that. Some of that, I think, is like what's going on deep under the surface for kristin because like otherwise he like he course corrected so hard in the other direction i'm like what are you doing yeah god he went from i'm in love with her to an incel like in 2.5 seconds yeah but the full yeah sell. Voluntary sell of it. But wait, what's the fucking, um, when he's walking with Alicent, like, literally, when he's like, all women, you know, are made in the image of the mother, he says

when they go to the brothel later in the season, and then he's walking with Alicent just two or three episodes before, and he's like, Rhaenyra's a spoiled cunt. Like, what? Right! Yeah, and Alicent's like rainier's a spoiled cunt like what right yeah allison's like whoa chill what are we doing it's only okay when i say that about her allison said meanwhile rainier's coochie blood's all over the floor because she just had the baby he's like oh she's a sport how are you spoiled and you walk in after pushing a baby out are you kidding me yeah do you know how many people die

yeah yo the amount she was doing insane insane when she was like she had so many children yeah they both did and it all comes down to that public display right like every theme i feel like in this story has that you know who we are in the, who the public sees versus who we actually are and want to be in our dreams. And that showed really hard for that, right? Because, like, Alicent was like, oh, you shouldn't have come. Why'd you do this? And Rhaenyra's like, you fucking know why I did this. Because you want to play games today.

And I'm not going to let you. And it's something, like, bullheaded that I would do. So I get it. Like, I could be bleeding out. But to make a point, I would show up. Yeah. I get that going to let you. And it's something like bullheaded that I would do. So I get it. Like I could be bleeding out, but to make a point, I would show up. Yeah. I get that.

Yeah. Yeah. Is this a fire sign thing? But yeah. And also I, I will say that Kristen Cole's actor just did a great job making him so annoying and hateable because what, even in the last episode,

the way he like draws his sword and is so annoying in his movements as he like you know has all that bravado pushing down beesbury but also again when he pulls it against um yeah swift and what is it it's no it's not swift uh lyman whatever i'm just gonna just ignoreman? No, the other Kingsguard. Westerling. Yeah. Wow. Chica got there before you did. Okay, you're fired. Chica, you want a new job?

Time to read the books. Yeah, I know, right? That's why I'm a guest. Time to read the books. Read them by the weekend, and let's go. Yeah, I really liked i really liked um i think his name is harold right i really liked him i was like oh he's a stand-up man other than this inso he is he was like oh i'm gonna i'm gonna beat home like i'm gonna be in homophobia

and kill lanois guy had a party. And I was just like... So, yeah. I feel for that actor. He's gonna get typecast or something. Like, poor fucker. I know. I feel like he has to be a great actor to make all of us really dislike this character.

Because he's a handsome guy. Like, he's a nice looking dude. And he seems like he's probably nice looking dude and he seems like he's probably nice irl yeah but he's acting for sure he's right because i was like i was big hate after that i was like oh screw you on site on site yeah yeah he seems like a really good actor like he did the first part of like who kristen cole like when he seemed nice really well and then very hateable dude later on um i also didn't like only feet larry's yeah oh yeah well yeah because you know we we got well let me not take that from y'all because you came up with it not only you came up with the other one. Well, so Larry Strong and Allison and the whole, you know, blackmail thing going on, we're not into.

We, I don't know if I feel worse for Allison or for me for having to, you know, think about it. Interesting. But, no, probably me. I always feel bad for me. But you have your name for it. And I thought maybe them hanging out, meeting up could be called a feet cute, you know? Mm-hmm. Brilliant.

Instead of that, yeah, a feet cute. I really feel it. I think it's right. Because, like, you know it smelled in there. Oh, no. Oh, you're right, because no one's taking baths. Also, the cheese, you know, has been out for seven hours on that table while he waited for her for dinner. Oh my god, yeah.

Cheese and then more cheese. Foot cheese. Table cheese. Dick cheese. You can probably sell it. Ew. No one's buying that. No one is buying it,

but I'm thinking that's what that man be smelling like. I just watched that episode of Superstore where a character makes boob cheese milk cheese from the breast well that sounds big it was a plot that me and my husband were sitting there like what oh gagging the guy was like I haven't even

tried it yet and he's like selling it in a booth in a Walmart basically I'm like oh god boob cheese yeah but yeah cause I don't know you man like i uh i'm interested to see the chaos that larry's causes right because we have the whole um network of spies miss aria who is working with otto Larry's just told Allison that, right? So Allison knew she blew up their, their home space. And, uh, what was the, he, you know, sent, sent the fly, the flying insects out of there. So they just did all that. So now the market's going to be really interesting.

Misaria was reporting to Otto. Larry's reporting to Allison. Larry's probably knows pretty much everything going on. How's that dynamic? That's going to be interesting, right? Yeah. I like, I want Eamon to fuck it up again. Just like he kind of started fucking up the family by killing Lucerys. I want Eamon to walk in on his mom participating in Only Feet and just kill marries just oh because like no that's gross yeah i feel like you can play it off right like it's just like oh i just had my

feet on the table like he doesn't have to like if i just wandered in, right? That man is making sounds. I don't. Ew. Yeah, you're right. Aime is going to know. Because I think, isn't he supposed to, I heard he's supposed to clap cheeks this season. I don't know if it's happening. Aime. I think it'll be next season, honestly. Just no spoilers. But I don't think it will be quite yet.

But his love interest is coming. Yes he he does get a little love interest because i also she's a cute little girl couldn't do anything wrong right just a girl is she i thought i thought she was a cool girl i thought she was supposed to be like just a girl like uh like well you don't we don't know i guess to be fair we don't know, I guess, to be fair. We don't know. I thought she's supposed to be like J-Lo. Oh, like Ashanti singing her songs? Something like, I don't know, something, something. Just like, she's got like an intrigue. Like, think about like, okay, what stage was that?

Prior to, before Ben. Wait, no, before A-Rod. stage was that prior to um before ben wait no before a rod but then after after mark anthony jlo was with casper smart the backup dancer casper yeah like oh okay yeah i thought it was gonna be like some dynamic like that you know like yeah there's an age gap i think it's like we don't know it's gonna be different in the show so i don't know true it could be different in the books there's a little age gap you know it's a 20 year ish that we know of it could be more you never know but oh or like share sharing that guy that young thing that she's with oh yeah yeah yeah who's like 20 years younger than her he's very young he's like yeah 30 something like alexander alexander edwards yeah he's a music executive who are all these people i don't i just randomly keep i know share i only know share

share is share is uh diddly bopping with the 30 year old yeah that's what we're yeah yeah alexander edwards well you know what the gods right the gods can do what they want we just talked about this you can do whatever they want man i don't know i hope otto dies this season yeah fuck otto too man i always hope otto dies he's so he's so annoying especially on our vwatch like i'm like oh my god no one asked for your opinion please leave he obviously is doing to like whatever's politically advantageous for his family at the time and that's what really bugs me is he he's such a shell of a man right like he has no backbone he has no spine he doesn't believe in a single thing he believes in whatever gives his family money glory you know it's like people like that you know fall for anything right stand for nothing fall for anything i mean gave his daughter to his like ceo after he saw the ceo cut his wife oh my god

to get out a dead baby like encouraged viseros to be weak yeah constantly and constantly shielded him from things that he didn't need to shield him from yeah got him on drugs too yeah encouraged him to like for all it's like that's what i noticed especially like he encouraged him to just be muted he's like no viserys please we'll all do this don't you worry about thinking ever again yeah yeah he did everything he did was not in service of the realm and i will say something i'm excited about like if we're thinking about what's going to come up in season two is seeing his dynamic with Alicent. Like, Alicent's not a little girl anymore. She has power.

Like, you're already starting to see her wrestling for power in terms of, like, who gets to control what happens to Aegon, right? So how is she going to stand up to her father more? And you're going to see a lot of, I think, infighting. They don't leave good terms what about you chica what are you looking forward to in season two i am looking forward to rainiera losing her absolute mind because of what happened to lucerys i am also looking forward to seeing all of the dragon fighting because that will be

a lot of fun to just see destruction do you have a favorite dragon from season one dream fire I hope they show us her like in full that would be cool i would be if i want to see i want to see her and i'll just be like dream dream dream i i liked her she's like my favorite

she's one of my favorite historical dragons of the whole entire like because you know from the past she's lived a while yeah lived some shit down so um yeah her and there's another one that we're gonna meet this season i'm excited about that i think you oh yeah i want to just i want to see their reaction to it i don't know if we're going to come into that or if it's going to be blood and cheese because i do know about that we're quick like so where do you think like now that you said that where do you think that season two is going to open up and pick up on like at what point like how how long after season one do you think it's going to be when season two starts i thought it was going to start

because you're talking about an i want to i wanted to see the oh shit moment but i don't think they're going to give us that i think it's gonna be we're gonna start off with the immediate retaliation because to set the tone but then also to just be like okay everything is like nothing is off limits anymore we're all fucked now but i would like i would have liked to have seen their reaction to it i don't know if they're going to like input like a flashback maybe just so it's like we see allison's horror but yeah so i feel like it's gonna be like when when blood and cheese is starting or like imminently about to happen like that's where they're going to start off especially since i think they're having less episodes this season too right

yeah yeah so i yeah if it was the same amount then maybe we would have got like oh we're finding out what happened but then now i think they're just going to start off with it. And it's just going to be as crazy, like back and forth. I think I heard through interviews when they're starting it, like what, how much time has passed. And it's not a lot of time.

It's like, I think 10 days is what I heard. So that's not, but to your point, like, I think you might skip the initial reaction and there is a very traumatic event going on. Yes.

That will happen because it's Thrones bitches. Yeah. Even just watching this, I was like, it's not game of Thrones, but I was like, game of Thrones is back. It's not TV.

It's HBO, but it's not HBO anymore's hbo but it's not hbo anymore it's oh god um i don't think it's gonna open with the traumatic event i think the traumatic event will be planned but i guess i could see a world where we open like on the execution of the dramatic events and the scheming of both sides yeah um i could see that too but i just thought because i mean what i want i would want to happen in a perfect world would for it to be like a cold open you know like cold open you have some stuff going on and then the traumatic event happens and then everything

sprawls from it yeah um that could be cool but i think i really feel like that might be an episode two thing i don't know i've tried to stay as much away from spoilers this year, where last year I saw production photo after production photo. I didn't have the plot before it came to the screen, which I think is it's gotten a lot worse, especially during COVID, because we all have nothing to do. Right. Like that was that period of time probably really made us mentally well. Right. In totality, I feel like a much better, happier, healthier person now after having gone through the COVID era as a person, you know. No, that's sarcasm. I don't. I feel like I'm losing my fucking shit every day of my life. But like so like I feel like the spoiler stuff was probably really at its peak.

Like everyone like and because it was so new and so big everybody had set pictures of everything everywhere and this two-year waits rocked like i feel like there's been a lot less yeah i was avoiding it yeah i think i don't know if like we'll get i guess immediate aftermath but i like the idea of still 10 days is enough to still be mad at your son for killing your ex-best friend's yeah son like it's enough time and i think like it'd be interesting to see because amand is all like i'm doing everything i just want to please mommy and mommy's gonna be real mad like what the fuck did you do what was this um so it would be really great to see that and i kind of like the i like the aemon being kind of like oh shit what did i do like not totally of being in control i kind of like it now in retrospect yeah especially because that's who he wants to be is daemon right the

badass out there threatening people with his dragon but he's also still a boy in a way yeah and now he can't be anymore because he did that killed the boy yeah killed the boy like i wonder if we'll even start off with like the glint of like the um the the gem isn't it a sapphire the eye yeah the glint of it as he's telling them or like we don't hear it but he's telling what happened that would have been cool but um maybe this will push it'll be interesting to see if allison is upset and it pushes amen to go more towards auto than to be oh that's interesting yeah because it's just like auto be like it was bound to happen and then alice says we could have it didn't have to be this way but it's like you y'all made it this way like you did not help to settle anything like somebody was going to die

and yeah yeah a fun like this was foreshadowed when his eye was taken out actually that it's going to go beyond what you think it will allison yeah and well that's the the whole thing with the dragons right it's a metaphor of like they were like they were like, don't do it, don't do it, obey me. And then like the dragons just do whatever they want. Everything's going to happen. Like things are going to get out of your control. Yeah. They're fire made flesh.

I would say I'm team black, obviously. I feel like that's knowledge already. If you're new to the podcast there you go but also on rewatch i'm like i'm team nothing like there's no you're all dumbasses right now uh you're all you know like this is terrible but all of this it's just sad it's like all sad like i can't pick a team to support which i think is the point obviously of the whole thing uh and i actually kind of love that the marketing's doubled down on doubled down on it right because they're like choose a side but then they show you that both sides are like terrible yeah murder dragons like

if i had to be a team i would have sadly i would have been team helena because she's just like chill well that's the thing I'm team black but I have so many faves on the greens it's hard right Helena Amand like these are people that I'm like Amand you're my murder son I'd die for you yeah like he wants to be Damon so bad it's so cute yeah and he knows that like Damon fucking knows that well okay so here's a question for you before you came to season one this is like I thought about this all yesterday how did you feel about Damon Targaryen when you watched season one so originally when you see Damon with Rhaenyra I was just like that's an old man girl I

like I know like that's your younger the younger uncle but he's still old like so when they were when he was doing the little diddling and stuff and everything like a little touch here a little touch there

I was just like uh yeah um but then i think i ended up growing to like him because you could see that essentially he's always just wanted viscera's approval despite the fact that viscera's was not really firm on what he wanted you know he needed to be controlled by otto to figure out what he wanted but damon wanted him to be separated from that because it's just like we're targaryens we shouldn't need that like just speaking to what you were saying before about how they're gods we're gods why do we need somebody else to tell us how to do things we can do whatever you want and so i think i was able to get pulled in more so by that brotherly relationship like the ebbs and flows of it and then eventually once reyniero was like older then i was just like okay i see it now did i necessarily see it because y'all are screwing

on the beach and like his wife just got put in the water ah you know i don't i don't know. Maybe I wouldn't want sand in my bits and bobs, but... No, that's real. Not from first-hand experience. Yeah, I think it took me a while to get into him than I was. Ooh, especially after he killed the crab feeder. I was like, yeah, bud. Yeah, let's go. That got your ass, yeah. Yeah, because I was just like, ooh, yeah, bud. Yeah, let's go. That got your ass, yeah.

Yeah, because I was just like, oh, yeah, we killing. I think the time jumps are interesting to show those changes and where he ends up from, like, one point to another and how, like, in the middle of the story you see him as, like, so, you know, bachelor rich boy pissed off at the world gonna make it their problem and do whatever the fuck he wants and just causing problems on purpose like i will cause problems on purpose and then like you see him at the very beginning who he is young and ambitious and wanting glory and then the end of the season the kermit story kind of solidifies some of those insecurities

from the previous eras of daemon the daemon eras to her and like those insecurities and where they've kind of like finalized in his adult body right like now that i'm really an old man guess what this is what i'm like and this is where my insecurities are and viserys tells you stuff he didn't tell me and i hate that and yeah just like all of those things coming to the surface and for Rhaenyra right some of those resentments and Alicent some of those fears and resentments and the neuroses that she kind of has like held on to to keep her going as she you know had to marry and stay with Viserys till his death and all that like that's not an easy task to do uh and you could just see where they've all

like stewed for years and I don't know there's just something about that like ascetic, like one ascetic Targaryen brother or one like weaker Targaryen brother like Viserys and there are others in history. And then the murdery brother, right? The ambitious, annoying murder brother. murder brother like my god the look that damon gives him at the beginning when he's like sitting at the council table and he's about to be schooled and he just looks up at him like a cat who just like threw something off a table he's like yeah it's just like the two brothers in naruto who keep getting reincarnated over and over are you saying george is a naruto fan i am that's actually what i'm saying um ray nira couldn't have handled damon without lana oh interesting i think lana was able to calm him down because before when he was all doing like the little touchy here touchy there if y'all's uncles do that in real life call the police i think back that when he was just more

full of chaos she wouldn't have been able to take it which i think is another reason why Viserys was so upset. But after being with Lena and having that life and having that sort of peace, in a sense, away from the politics of it all, like, I think that's the only way she would have been able to take him. And so the times where she's not able to really handle him or she disagrees, that's when he's, I feel that's when his older personality is coming out. And he's starting to make certain decisions and act on his own versus when he was with Lena. They were more so a unit.

She called him on his shit. She held him accountable. unit she called him on his shit she held him accountable you know she didn't accept the cry baby bullshit of him just like showing up at attorney and killing someone for fun or like you know like she wanted a life and she wanted a place for her girls and her that she had with him and like when you decide to grow up you know like you grow up you literally like decide what matters to you and what matters to another person and how you can support one another and, like, still have some dreams. But, like, you grow up a little bit. You have a house.

You pay a mortgage or rent for free in Pentos. But they had a different situation. Gods, again, gods with dragons, which, again, they were trying to be kept as statues and trophies too right they wanted to have their own little dragon army and their trophies to put on the wall by keeping them in pentos which is another interesting theme of wanting to keepsake those gods right put them on my bookshelf but uh it makes you grow up like you just you gotta change eventually yeah or you you know can live and be miserable i think i like what you're saying because also not only that lena and and damon together when

they're in pentos like that's also far removed like it's it's him trying to heal and be like accepting hey maybe i'm never going to be able to get viscerys's love this way we are removing ourselves from the toxicity of the things that are the seven kingdoms and but now like with Viserys dead as you're saying his previous self is coming out it's like all coming into full view like you look at the way he looks at Viserys's crown like it's it's heartbreak and then and then you kind of start to wonder like does does he love R reynira or did he love what she represented in terms of a series maybe it's both but then you're gonna start you're starting to see like the cracks in their relationship as well come through um now that the

thing that you know kind of held them together but didn't is gone yeah because it's like does he did he love rainier or did he love that she was part of viserys yeah yeah and now viserys is gone and so even with that like what's keeping them like together in our locked i guess I think we're gonna explore that this season I mean now it's war what's keeping us alive is not dying yeah now I'm kind of sad you guys you guys kind of got me in a sad

we brought the house kind of down we were laughing we were joking be cute we could be funny again let's think what's funny everybody let's go down the line each one of us and say one thing that we think is gonna happen this season um no book knowledge chloe and eliana i say to us uh but one thing we think is gonna happen or something we think is gonna get followed up on etc uh chica already had kind of one so i don't know if it

counts but you did have your one but what is the thing but let's have another one from chica our special guest wow what else is gonna happen um when we get to meet uh the king of the north oh yeah we're going to the north yeah I was thinking what if the cold open was literally a cold open and we're in the north what if he's finding out his brother is dead

maybe it's that oh while he's there yeah interesting I think we're going to open on the eerie first with him or not on it maybe it's that oh while he's there yeah interesting but I think we're gonna open on the eerie with him or not on it but he has to if it's 10 days there so but we could

still get a cold open in the cold in a later episode I'm just saying listen listen Ryan Condal my only child I know we got a pod hey potter we pod too if you're listening listen okay the north the north is gonna happen um are we gonna get like we're gonna get that stark theme we're gonna get that like swelling violin we're gonna get them rolling on oh we we're gonna get

it okay okay i just got a little excited thanks chica wow we just got a little this is like a hype blast everyone right now like a little hype a little hype being peppered in okay okay this is stay with me on this so in the trailer alicent is wearing two different dresses when they're in the streets. One looks like for a funeral. Thank God. One looks like for a funeral. And like, it's real, you know, looks real dim.

Everyone looks sad. So we'll see. Could be Viserys, could be someone else. We don't know. But then there's another shot of her in a different dress in what looks like a riot going on. Oh. Then there's another shot of her in a different dress in what looks like a riot going on. We're going to see that and I want to see what goes on there. I'm like, oh, what'd you guys do to piss everyone off? I don't know.

It could be anything, right? But to your point, you think there's some shit going to go down and the greens are going to have a couple things go bad for them because they've got to because they have the upper hand. It's time for them to have a couple things go bad for them because they've gotta because they have the upper hand it's time for them to have a few things so i wonder what they do to really piss the small folk off because well i mean you know agon agon be raping so that's actually true yeah yeah that's literally true he maybe he picked the wrong right he maybe he picked the wrong one and so then everybody's just like you can't not that not that one no damn maybe yeah i wonder if he'll like stop also like what if he stops and is like i don't know but. But he probably won't. He's probably going to continue being terrible. What if he cleans up his act, are you saying? Uh-oh.

I don't know. What if he did for like two seconds and was like, wow, I'm king now. Eliana, are you saying you support Agen too? I'm canceling everyone on this podcast. What is going on? Patriarchy, Agen too. Oh my god.

I, uh, no, but I think you're right he's probably gonna keep being i don't know yeah a predator a predator but i do want to see his silly little giggle i love his to more than his giggle was so good yeah no his weird his weirdo giggle when he got captured like he's just a deranged person jack leeson's gonnaon's going to watch and be like, I'm proud of you. I'm very proud of you. Joffrey's actor's going to be real proud of him. I do think. Oh, I wonder if Laenor's going to come back as the other one.

Corlys also is diddle bopping. Oh, wait, my bad. Wow. Corlys, people do the deed deed i don't know yeah corliss was gone for a long time i don't know where it was i don't know where he was putting it that was a long time yeah that's true that's very true uh on and off too right like before the time jump after the time jump he He's a sailor. I mean, Davos cheated on his wife in the book.

That's a spoiler. Sorry, guys. That's fucked up. I mean, Odysseus cheated on Penelope. Same story. That was fucked up, too. That was fucked up. Oh, my God.

Like. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and then he went to Circe's island, and Circe was like, Odysseus. He's just not shit, yeah yeah but yeah so you know that happens a lot for sailors you never know we could see some of that go on I mean there's definitely new dragon riders to be introduced and I caught a lot of little hints you know of things at the end of the season that are setting up for what we're going to see. Right? Like, we talked about how there's dragons as long as we can find riders for them.

There's going to be dragons? New dragons, though. Like, unclaimed. There's going to be dragons in this show? Unclaimed dragons. Popping. Get up here. Let's dance.

Let's dance. Whoa. Let's dance. With them? You want to dance with the the dragons honestly it could be fun it could be cute i choose the dragon over the man oh my god yeah i don't what man from this show would you choose over a bear well i mean he's dead, but Harwin. Harwin, yeah. Maybe especially now. He's dead. Which one of them do I trust? Yeah.

Rough. It's rough out there. So, yeah. Men are over on hot d this season yeah nothing hot about their d we don't want it don't unleash it don't unleash that one no put the d back

don't maybe that's what the last two episodes should be called put the d back release but not release release the d not relish release oh no yeah or just

Aliana did you have one did we say yours oh well I thought it was Tom Glencarnie's Silly Giggle that's fine that works too yeah I think that'll happen or well actually I don't know that it'll happen. But I hope it'll happen. I just don't know if there's a moment that Borin's

deranged giggle. I do look forward to him being fleshed out in the books. There's a little bit, but there's not a lot. So it's not even really... There's only a tiny bit to go on, really. He's more of just a character. In the histories, you don't really know his passions, thoughts, etc, which I think this show has a

great opportunity to do that with a lot of characters. That's what made season one so strong. That's what made us care about a lot of these characters and get emotional and passionate. So I actually look forward to Aegon too, in way so now you all can cancel me I guess as well like just because of you know what it's going to mean for him to be king what it's going to mean for him to step into this pressure and is he going to decide he wants to be king after all because I'm guessing so um obviously being hunted by your half-sister's dragon and her probably changes that right like and other people that want to kill you. Like, yeah, okay, maybe I will be king, I guess.

Try it out. Try the power out for size. See if I like it. And you probably will. But I'm interested to see, like, the soft, emotional side of Aegon, too. Right. If it exists. I want to know if we're going to see vibes.

I don't know if it're going to see vibes. I don't know if it's possible, but vibes between Helena and Eamon. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I remember people discussing that. Oh, you're a Helena-mender? I feel like it would be interesting. I fuck with it. I will just... Because, you know, Aegon is kind of it's kind of mean because let me just

tell you offline after this i gotta tell you something because i think there's in the book in the fire and blood book i think i think it's canon but you know you know i think that there's a little something at least like platonic canon like you know like but that's a whole nother yeah so okay fellow helamander chica came with us today yes i'm i don't know i fucks with helamand i don't know what's going on with me with that one but i'm like oh i'm because he's i mean at least he treated her better so he respects her during the coronation she was all like on him and I'm like oh but Aegon's not your protector even though he's the protector of the realm

he's not the protector of your realms yeah interesting I mean what there's like three theories that tie into it I have to tell you offline about these ones because we can't spoil everybody else. But I think that's probably a wrap

on our first getting hype for Hot D. Honestly, now I'm really fucking excited. You got me. Yay! You got me a little excited. We brought the mood back. That's the point, though, right? The point is we're here to get excited.

I need to be reinvigorated. I've stayed away from it to be like this you know like to get in there yeah unleash it yeah yeah i'm excited i think i say that every time we talk about it i'm just i'm right something happened that like broke right like after game of thrones i'm like nothing can hurt me anymore and i watch this show and i'm like this show rocks i can't believe ryan condell adapted a feast for frozen against the dragons in one season yeah it's incredible the acting's also just so good the acting was like there's a lot of like really great subtle acting so we're getting dunkin egg too i hope yes and more money for this season guys we love more money it's amazing well they have to for the dragons more dragons bigger and better costumes bigger and better sets bigger and better

battles um it's gonna be incredible i hope the wigs are better i do i do the wigs do look better but you know there is a shortage right now of that color of hair for a nice wig. True. For, like, real hair. So they're on that synthetic shit right now. You know what I mean? Yeah. The dreadlocks were looking yikes.

Oh, that was moppy. Yikes. I really hope they fix that. Yeah. I was just like, ooh, go. You just needed to go to Atlanta I'm telling you you could have got that to be honest

but we'll see hopefully the budget department doesn't skimp on that this year hopefully the accounting department will sign a little cash to that and hopefully they also pay for some undergarments and stays to go under the dresses because those girls, they aren't. I argue that actually I liked the costuming, but it's the form.

They didn't give them form and they didn't put undergarments where they needed to be for the medieval form. So if they had, it would have looked. And to be fair, end form so yeah uh if they had it would have looked and to be fair end of the season was great so i think they were going for pre-pubescent and trying to keep them looking young and it's a whole entire meta thing yeah but yeah all right i'm excited about more money chica thank you for hanging out with us we really appreciate it can you tell everybody again where to find you yeah um you guys can find me um i'm on instagram at chica supreme and blue sky and um and then also you can find me on my podcast so shoujo sunday uh yeah we release an episode every other every other sunday and it's a fun time i say on just like how i said on shin on unshin

just as i said i said unhinged shit here i say unshit unhinged shit here. I say unhinged shit over there. I don't know. Oh, my God. The unhinged. Yeah. I say unhinged shit everywhere I go. It's crazy. Like, I think our last episode that we had, we were talking about, well, not by the time y'all see this.

But prior to it, we talked about They Were Eleven. And that's like a sci-fi film and i was yeah and i was talking i was just like oh i would pee in space that is scary oh interesting it's you oh i would because at one point they had to go from one like spaceship to another in a spacesuit and there's like no gate there's nothing it's just open and i was like oh oh i'm pissing what like just it's just open like like the ocean open how you know you're gonna get to the other side like very scary um but yeah so i was talking about that i can't think about space too much.

I get scared. Right. Right. I can think about it at a surface level. But if you start thinking like. That's fast. I think about that episode of the magic school bus where Arnold and their own Pluto removes his helmet. His head freezes over.

That's what I think about space. That's scary. Very scary. Scary. But yeah. So you can find me on Shoujo Sunday as well so if you like I'll see y'all there

yeah we'll link all that below don't you worry we'll put some links below so thanks for hanging Eliana thank you for hanging can you tell us where you can find this podcast hanging. Eliana, thank you for hanging. Can you tell us where you can find this podcast?

Oh, well, hi. Thanks so much for having me here. You can find me on my podcast Girls Gone Canon. We're also on Twitter as Girls Gone Canon. That's C-A-N-O-N. Thanks so much. Head over to our patreon patreon.com

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Everyone will be back next week with Glytus to talk about spectacle from book to screen.