Girls Gone Canon Cast - Unleash the D S2E4: Fashion Hour Ft. Meghan (Birdie Dee Costuming)

Episode Date: September 6, 2024

Welcome back to the final two episodes of S2 UNLEASH THE D, the hit primer series critics are saying serves major [REDACTED VAGINAL TERM].  It's post-season of House of the Dragon. Seamstress, costumer, and all around brilliant mind Meghan (Birdie Dee Costuming) has joined us to talk about everything costuming in the world of Westeros. Let us take you on color journeys, talk about who wore it best, and discuss both real-world and Westeros-world influences. We have released a PATREON EXCLUSIVE video version of this episode that includes visual aids to help you better follow the conversation. We highly recommend checking that out over at: https://www.patreon.com/posts/unleash-d-s2e4-111408996 A special thank you to our patrons at patreon.com/girlsgonecanon for sponsoring every episode that we produce. You can check out several other visuals below, as well as find Meghan's costuming online at........ Costuming by Meghan Instagram X (formerly Twitter) Chloe's Costuming Found around the internet in an unorganized fashion, also at Chloeandthehawk DeviantArt Screenshots from HBO Series Game of Thrones House of the Dragon (Various episodes and scenes) Rosalia Culora Hair, Wigs, Hairpieces Instagram Stephanie Miles Headwear, Hats, Tiaras Instagram Claire Kitchener Embroidery Instagram Game of Thrones Embroidery Michele Carragher Embroidery House of the Dragon Costumes Season One Jany Temime House of the Dragon Costumes Season Two Caroline McCall French Meadows 18th Century Stays The Dreamtress Textile School Hand Stitch Types Hellosewing.com Mindy Makes The Graphics Fairy Regency Dresses Makeup FX Hand Knotting Wigs YouTube Video Fashion Through Herstory “A Green Medieval Cote” Website The Consolation of Philosophy Philosophy Presenting the Seven Liberal Arts to Boethius (Manuscript) Treasury.com Dreamfyre Art by Sanrixian Sanrixian Threadless

["Unleash the D Theme Song"] Hello and welcome to Unleash the D Season 2 Episode 4 featuring Birdie D Costuming, aka our friend Megan. I'm one of your hosts, Chloe. And I'm a special guest, Eliana, special guest host on Unleash the D. Thank you so much for bringing me back to help close out the rest of the season. Um, it's not just me here today though. We also have another special other guest host. I can't believe you literally brought that up as the first thing you decided to commit to the bit.

You decided to come back from the mid-season finale. We're so back. With violence. We're so back. We, it's so Jover. Megan, thank you for joining us. Hi, I'm so glad to be here. Poor Megan. Every person that comes on here, I'm like, my god, what's wrong with you?

Why'd you join me in this dysfunctional marriage? I've, I've known you for over 10 years now, as we discussed before. So I'm, I'm used to this. Yeah. You're stuck with me. You're stuck with me. Megan came on as a huge favor to me, but Megan is far too good for us. Oh, so excited to have you on.

I've been going to nerd conventions and dressing up in really cool costumes with Megan for over a decade. And Megan is like the crème de la crème. I have this great fond memory of before DragonCon, before you even ever went to DragonCon, you coming over to help me cry and drink wine while making costumes for DragonCon. Wow. Yeah, I do remember that. Megan, you have like an actual background

in costuming. You are passionate about costuming. You've worked in costuming in your actual day slash night job. That is true. Because costuming does that. Can you tell us where to find you online to see some of your recreational costuming or anything else you want to promote from your professional world? So I sometimes will cross post on my cosplay page some of my professional work, but you can find me mostly on Instagram at birdyd.costuming. And from there I have like mingtree whatever. There's I don't have I didn't get on it soon enough to get the same username

across all platforms unfortunately. Aint that how it goes. I know I wasn't thinking back in like 2017 when I started this journey. Didn't realize. Also quickly to add, D is spelled D-E-E. So that's birdie-B-I-R-D-I-E-D-E-E. Well, we're gonna get into a lot of costuming with you today. So happy. I think that dimensionally we've kind of talked in a few ways about costuming whether it's going to be out of aesthetics and

just what we like and what looked good to us or out of some historical references, or of course the costume journey, the journey with the character. Before we get into that, a little bit of housekeeping up top. As mentioned, this is our return from the midseason finale of Unleash the D, the critically acclaimed series that critics are calling bold, daring, adventurous, where dragons have never gone before and then some. We are back. We will have this episode next week. We will be returning with a very good friend of the podcast, Dr. Professor PhD Joseph Magician. Joseph! You may know him from his YouTube page, Joe Magician. MD. And... How many different kinds of doctor is he? Yes. Yes. And we're going to talk about with Dr. Joseph a little bit of what the doctors ordered, right? We've been written a prescription for magic in hot tea and that is what the topic will probably be centering around.

We're gonna talk a lot about just stuff we didn't get to talk about in our finale too, right? Like we could have gone on for eight hours about We could have gone on for 8 hours about that vision though, so come back next week after this excellent episode with Megan. And of course, after Unleashed the D has ended, we will be going back to our main podcast, the A Song of Ice and Fire reread, where we go POV by POV character, chapter by chapter, into the world of Aeswaf published chapters. We will be returning with the epilogues in A Song of Ice and Fire. And we'll start that off with Merit Frey with our good friend Pat, our favorite Frey lover,

Pat. We could not be going anywhere without him. He'll be joining us to break down Merit's Chapter, which I'm growing on that rat bastard, so we'll come back to that. It's a meritocracy fray. Yeah. Oh no. And that's how I feel every week, Megan.

Can you imagine? Can you imagine? Oh no. Well, what you don't have to imagine is what might happen in the rest of the story. Actually, you probably still do need to imagine it, but if you are not interested in knowing spoilers about the rest of what happens in the dance civil war or House of the Dragon, we will be discussing those in, I don't know, as broad strokes, like we will discuss it in as much detail as we can, from what we know from Fire and

Blood, this is an all spoilers podcast, but honestly, you know, they catch us by surprise, they got new things, keeping it interesting, keeping the relationship fresh. And of course, for all updates and all things Girls Gone Canon, you can head over to patreon.com slash girls gone canon where we have several tiers that offer several perks, like the stranger tier that gives you bonus episodes every month. This month's episode is TBA. You'll hear about that with Dr. Magician next week, I'm sure. And other early episodes, like releases for different tiers, like Thunder, and of course the Zorse tier, the Chestnut

tier, and Works in Progress and Community Chats, and much, much more. Don't forget Discord access for our Thunder tier and above. That's a big one. Big one. Join up for that alone and you're in for life. We'll see you over there. Before we get into this episode, which is I'm looking forward to learning a lot about costuming and not just costuming, I mean just dress in general, historical dress, which I don't think that I hallucinated this. I feel like I've seen Megan you talking about things on Facebook as well. Oh my God, probably.

In regards to information about costuming. But what are some terms that I and our listeners should know going into this if they like me are a basic bitch or maybe I mean, I'm basic bitch or maybe I mean, I'm a basic bitch. Let's see. I mean, so I'll probably be talking a lot about like the understructure of a lot of garments, which for women's garments tends to include some sort of stays which are a lace upup garment. We know them as like corsets or bodies. They are meant to like hold the whole all your fleshy bits in place so that the

garment can sit on top of you and not be subjected to pressure from your movement. Things like petticoats, which help add volume to a skirt. I'll probably talk about different stitch types. There's a lot of different tailoring terms that can go in that tailoring often involves like the manipulation of fabric so that it fits onto the body the way you want it to without like any wrinkling or anything. And I mean, probably just the different closures, which is I mean, how a garment closes on the body, which for Game of Thrones, House of the Dragon is typically going to evolve like lacing some sort, which is nice ties. You're not gonna see a lot of zippers or we shouldn't at this point in time.

Yeah, anything that you see that could be a zipper, you probably shouldn't be seeing it, right? Oh, yeah, probably try it. They've probably tried to hide it, but it honestly depends. What? And as people who have made those costumes, zippers are great, especially when they're hidden. They're really nice. I was thinking recently, I was like, man, whoever invented the zipper was brilliant and made a lot of money probably off of that. But also, what are some stitches that like, what are some common stitches that we should

be aware of? Um, let's, I'm trying to, so typically- What are some common stitches that we should be aware of? Um, let's, I'm trying to... So typically... Arya asking Sansa. It's true, I am the Arya-coded one in this. I would stab someone. What?

Hilariously, you won't see a lot of these stitches because they are meant to be interior stitches that are helped to help the shaping of the garment. Things like pad stitching, stay stitching, slip stitch. The pad stitching is really great to you'll see that or you won't see it on like tailored collars that have a nice gentle curve that is to help give them the curve. I should have brought my props, but that will, it's a type of stitch that it is gently pulling the fabric as you stitch it so that it forms this curve and it will hold this curve by itself and that just makes the fabric lay really beautifully. But yeah, like the only type of stitch you might see is a thing called a prick stitch which is often put on the edge of a garment to ensure that like the lining doesn't roll over to the front. The lining is usually what is inside the garment to protect the garment itself from like the

body from our sweat, our just body odor in general. So that way you don't have to wash it as much. You should still wash your clothes though. But don't be stinky. Don't be stinking. Yeah, so like prick stitchings, you might see a little bit of, but in general, they're supposed to be so small

that unless you have like a high res camera that I know some people out there have, you're probably not gonna see them on the show. Who knows? I don't recall seeing any. Yeah, and their weight and their thickness, like even though they're small, their weight kind of helps guide the fabric to stay in place. Formation gives it form. Exactly. And then what would you say is like maybe a lot of people know this, but I sometimes feel like there is some overlap in how we understand it. How would you say is like maybe maybe a lot of people know this but I sometimes feel like there is some overlap in how we understand it. How would you define the difference between stitching and embroidery? So stitching I would say is what we what a seamstress tailor dressmaker does to

create a garment. The garment is made through all these different types of stitches either by hand or by machine. Either you're using like a blind hammer or an industrial serger to finish off your seams. Embroidery is the act of using a whole other set of stitches to create images that can then either be embroidered directly onto the garment, or as I know a lot of the Game of Thrones House of the Dragon embroiderers do, they embroider onto a very sheer organza layer that is then hand sewn onto the garments,

but they don't accidentally ruin the garment if they make a mistake. A lot of that great decorative season, or season, Game of Thrones embroidery especially, the delicate Circe pieces, those birds, those nice beautiful, I think they were like turquoise and pastel colors that were on one of her dresses early on and a lot of the lion embroidery, Cersei especially had so much like ostentatious, just like ridiculous embroidery going on. She had a lot of structural embroidery too, that lion would like come off her dress. Yes, some of that, I mean, that's some of the stuff that I

feel like from Game of Thrones costuming wise that did change a lot of the Game of Thrones of costuming of medieval shows or like fantasy shows. Oh, like high fantasy and yeah, I mean, obviously we're focusing on Hot D today, but we can do a whole other episode probably with you on like, it's affecting culture and costuming and culture and fantasy and in these fictional worlds and what it means. I mean, I couldn't talk about that.

I won't. Yeah, for like eight hours, we could do another one, you know, like, like I said, you're coming back. We'll make it happen. Yeah, make it happen. When I think about a Song of Ice and Fire costuming or Game of Thrones or House of the Dragon costuming, I think about you. Megan and I go back like we were joking with one another over a decade before I even liked a Song of Ice and Fire. Right when I was first getting into Game of Thrones and then when I started reading the books is really when I blossomed a friendship with you.

We went to a lot of conventions and made costumes and discussed costumes together and then one day I found out you liked Sansa Stark and you found out I liked Sansa Stark and true love as it often blooms bloomed. You have done countless costumes that I am always admirable and in awe of your specific detail work and the way you find like textiles and different fabrics that fit the costume even if it's not available to us peasants. Right. I think of like the Dupioni fabric from Game of Thrones that was so loved for Margaery and Sansa and so expensive and so rare that you can't get your hands on. Screen accurate Game of Thrones costuming was like a phase that we all went through, I feel like, and it's still fun but change a little.

Not only on a, not only on a, one of your adaptive works and something that I think would showcase the heart of this episode and talk a little bit about designing book costumes and adaptive costumes and also show costumes, right? Some elements that lead the eye to the show just in a few ways because you need that familiarity, right? And the meta also that gets to go into costumes. I think of you did a great version of Sansa Stark if she had gotten to go be with Willis a great version of Sansa Stark if she had gotten to go be with Willis over in the Reach. And I feel like that's like a perfect example of adaptive costuming, which is what we're going to talk about today.

That had originally been made for to do a contest at a convention that has not come back that did not make it out of COVID. And it was such a fun project to think through all the, what type of embroidery would be on, what type of fabric she's would have used, as well as I actually ended up making as well a companion piece of making a Willis costume. And I have really enjoyed, that was a really fun project. I like that. I feel like it had a lot of heart in terms of giving it some of the structure from the show and hopefully I'll find some photos to put below. It's very much the Tyrell dress with that short, you know, top that kind of very summer child top and that higher waist.

And then of course the scarf, the kind of scarf or very light fabric being used in that skirting. But also the colors were so rich. Like I love a lot of that detail work and I love kind of the meta behind when you adapt in a Song of Ice and Fire costume or a Fire and Blood costume, what goes into it to bring it to screen to give it those elements that still evokes Game of Thrones but also evokes some of more of the book harmony, right? Like giving that little bit to the book, like the color palette. Yeah, I think with that one specific one, I tried to stick with Sansa's King's Landing palette, which was a lot of greens and purples. And I know Michelle Clapton had talked about at the time that Sansa was trying to emulate the other

powerful women around her, certainly Cersei, and down to Margaery. And I would, the thought behind it was definitely that like Sansa would, if she ends up in Highgarden is definitely going to start emulating Margaery much more, especially not just in her hairstyle, but in her clothing as well. And then I never, I never ended up doing the embroidery on the costume, unfortunately. But the plan was to have a direwolf that would sit at her back. And it was the plan was to have the direwolf and then where would branches branching out from that and that even though she's a Tyrell now she still has that deep seated core of being a stark and Yeah, I had a lot of thoughts that didn't make it but I love it because it's like me. It's still a little muted

Well, maybe maybe you could still do the embroidery I mean you could still do it when you're not busy conquering last-minute ID costumes yeah yeah in between other projects I mean we got time till like the next book like you could totally do it on those weirwood branches you could even you know you could do like maybe desaturated blue rose oh don't tempt me you know like rose for tyrell but then also like the blue of the blue roses in the garden and then the liana throwback and then the idea these young queens and da da da and you know sad don't tempt me don't tempt me i'm writing that down right now.

Give a little, you know, I'm just saying like some Rosebuds would really like, wow, I'm part of you guys, except I'm still so much part of the trauma of my families. Aww. And then you got the red of the leaves and then the white. Wow. Red, white and blue. Big, uh, very USA. Northern Independence Day. No, haha, yes. So patriotic. Absolutely.

I think the weekend that you came to my house to work on costumes that one time, I think I was making a Leona Stark book costume. You were, yes. I was making Leona and Ashara Dane and I was very into like different symbolisms and just like it's very important to get the right purple rocks on the necklace. Oh yeah. You know like all these little and Leona like I had this very specific vision that I'm not as experienced because I'm not as practiced. Just like any great craft, right? Like Eliana is an amazing artist. Eliana could draw me a dress right now.

Yeah, could I actually make- She might be able to construct me one. Absolutely not. Actually, between the three of us, like great team right here, honestly. Yeah, we have the designer. Like I have the thought, you can execute, she can construct a prototype. I could make you a dress, it would just basically be a pillowcase. You know, that's what a sheath dress is, basically.

But, like, I have taken home Ek. Yeah, that's who I am, you know? If you have a dream, and maybe a sewing sewing machine and also a hot glue gun, you could do a lot. That's what I'm saying. If you have a dream, you could do a lot. A dream of spring. Yeah.

I think there's so much opportunity in the Aeswaf costume space, like it's a big tech thing in the Aeswaf space. I think there's like all this opportunity for them of how they can adapt these shows and this costuming and different things from historical like, you know, like going 16th century or like, oh, I'd rather a little more medieval than Renaissance or going even like, I think of if they get so far as more recent stuff, what about Regency Aeswaf? Not like saying they'd Bridgerton, but what era would be Regency, right? Like I've always wanted a Regency Aeswaf, like pre-Aeswaf cosplay group. Maybe like post-Madenvault somewhere, or like, like Ae'lora in Ae'lor era, or like Ares I, I don't know, like that's Regency, right? That would probably be close, especially if you think of, well, like, I

would almost think it could be eight on the third's Regency. So Regency in our, in real world is called the Regency period because, which king was it? Some king was in his Regency period at that time. It's also referred to the Napoleonic period, but like, it's called that because some king was in his regency. And that would be, egg on the third as regency period would be fun. It could be egg on the third. But that's what I mean, like I want stylistically, that's great. I think a lot of this costume is timeless, but I do think that like there's some cool

stuff they could be remixing when it comes to adding heraldry and coloring of the heraldry and cultural looks, right? There's a very interesting Riverlands look we'll get into, a Northern look, a Valyrian look. We're going to talk a little bit about that look as we go. So there's a lot for the future of costuming in the world of Ice and Fire on the screen. I'm curious to see the Dunkin' Egg story. I think we can see some dimension with Hot D, and I wonder how much consistency across the decades. We'll see.

STACEY When Dunkin' Egg comes out, I am so looking forward. She's never really seen in person in the books, but I just want them to show what Shiera Seastar looks like. And that's the one I need to see. LSG Yes. KS Everyone else, I don't care. Yeah. LSG I guess we kind of got our first foray into that, right? With Blood Raven, pre-Blackfyre. Yeah. We definitely got a lot more in Hot D.

It'll also be cool to see how they styled Tenzel too tall and just, it's a much more, I think, kind of small folk- I mean, we have some in Hot D and we'll talk about them in a bit. Yes. I hope there's an influence that's visible. I really do. It's more focused, I think. Dunkin' Egg is on that aspect of the Seven Kingdoms. Well, let's talk about this series, right?

Let's talk about Season 2. Claire Kitchener led the embroidery, jewelry, and leather work, but I will link her Instagram. This season especially she's been really active posting things on Instagram. You can check that below. Yeah, yes. Rosalia Quilora, right, the hair designer, also has been posting BTS stuff like crazy. Yeah, I've enjoyed getting the details on all the wigs that has been really fun. I think I saw somewhere, I think I actually saw it in the house that the dragon built, but she, I think it was Rosalia that talked about it. Oh yeah. All of the Targaryens have, are actually wearing a bald cap under their wigs. And I'm like, that makes sense because to try and hide any sort of dark hair underneath

like a platinum silver wig would be insane. Especially when these aren't like Arda or epic cosplay wigs. These are hand knotted human hair wigs for the most part. So they're just so intense. Yeah, and we've referenced a little bit the wigs from season one and how they were definitely upgraded this season, right, because of the shortage of that color of hair during the pandemic and supply chain. And they were a reasonably big upgrade this season, I will say. They definitely, I feel like, were upgraded, and where they fell short, they hit it very

well. Moments where Ranira's wig maybe didn't look as sleek as it could, they had to have those bedtime waves with some braids thrown in, right? Aemon's hair, obviously, that's oiled the shit, like that's Sephiroth on speed, we're good there. Characters and their surroundings and the mood they were supposed to be in matched how the wig mostly looked or was hidden enough to where you didn't notice. So an upgrade from season one, season one the wigs were definitely a sore point. Rhaenys' head, they brought it down one to two inches, less cone head and it was good. It was great. Well, maybe that hair cell is just a little harder to maintain when you're out there fighting,

you know? And dying, I guess. Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah, there's like a Watsonian and Doyalist answer to this. Like there's both answers to this, yes. I definitely, I've seen it in some places and I don't know if it's like the popular opinion, but my, I've always had to like fight against people are being upset that there's been a lot more of like a repeat of costumes in the season. And that was actually

like a really fun point for me because I think season two is happening over a much shorter, it is happening over a much shorter time period than season one is, which was happening over decades. But I think even season two is happening like within weeks. It's not like, this is not a month long or a year long season. So as well as we see these characters in far more casual settings, Alysant and Helena are more often just hanging out in the red keep. They're kind of, they're basically in house dresses. Raniera even, we see her more in these like, she's dressed, she's not always

in like a house dress is what I would call it, but she's not going into battle and she's not going out to meet the public. When she has the meeting with the dragon seeds, she is very dressed up. She has this cloak. She is there to really impress upon them and look what are like playing into the part of being a Targaryen monarch. But like when she's at the small council, she wears a lot more of what I would call essentially her Targaryen business suit. It's gray and it has these nice like peaked shoulders, like pointed shoulders. Her waist is really brought in. She's got that really powerful V going on. She's going to have her business talks and so she doesn't need to look super fancy, she just needs to look like she's in charge and that was really

fun. Yeah, Rainiera office siren more. Yes. As the youths are calling it. Yeah, I didn't actually notice, I didn't realize that they, you're right, I guess they don't change as much clothing and maybe it also makes sense from a they're in the middle of a war the optics are not in grade if you're changing new clothes all the time so when you're sad sometimes uh sometimes I just wear the same outfit a lot it's one of those things that because Alicent doesn't wear the same out well no she you see her wear her first year over us, and then she wears that to a council meeting. It never feels they have lost the consistency of days. So it doesn't feel like there's like incongruencies there. It definitely feels like she just rewearing a dress, because it's a very, especially for Alison, a lot of her dresses, instead of being these highly fitted,

highly tailored garments that we saw in season one, she often has a more, they're still fitted. One, because I think all of these actresses are, actors and actresses are fairly small as far as like size-wise. So like the garment itself is still pretty slender, but like it's much more of a loose, comfier fit that she she might not even be wearing full like stays or corsets underneath it because this is

meant to just kind of be thrown over, walk around, she's not trying to entice the public in this outfit. Not it's every character that is interested in fashion is very clearly shown changing their fashion often or those who are Trapped within power or caught in the trappings of power of those dresses like they do change And I will say I think back to season one, and hey, I think back to Thrones where a lot of characters like Sansa, the Blackwater dress, Sansa wore that motherfucking King's Landing purple Damask print dress for two seasons, and then she wore variations of it and the same underskirt and purple scarf with several different outfits. And I understand that people might be frustrated and say like, oh, they're rich, they should

be dressing luxuriously every day, but every day doesn't call for that. Every day doesn't call for the jewels, the royal fucking jewels. And I think that's important. Oh, yeah, I agree with that. As well as like, look at our own wardrobes. Yeah. How often do I rewear shit? Do you have a different outfit every single day? I'll pair things. I'll pair my accessories with different outfits and just like I wear the same pair of jeans, like once a week, and then just wear a different top with them for like a month and start the cycle all over again. I feel like the idea of Brinear going to a closet and saying well, I suppose I'll wear the red bottom skirt and the golden

overcoat sir coat, you know and the Red jewels and the the Valyrian whatever hairpins. You know, like I think that's not far-fetched. And I think season one had a couple of things going wrong for it and right for it with costuming. I actually really, I mean, I think Janie did a great job with what she had. And to give the show a different look in season one. I think some of the dresses that Raniro and Alison were wearing and Raniro specifically were intentionally not looking as formed, right?

You didn't have proper stays. You didn't have undergarments, but also it was to retain, I think, the youthfulness of Raniro at the time and to show that she was very much free, liberated, running around the castle, young, and the normalcy of living in that castle and the normalcy of being a girl growing up in this castle and dressing up for a ball versus wearing your everyday riding gear or wearing your everyday dress around the castle that you're romping around in with your best friend. And there were fancy gowns for the parties.

We saw every important gown, like the air swearing in ceremony or the, uh, the, yes, the wedding dress, right? Like those were a bit more elegant season two definitely upped the game. But I do think that the- of Thrones, god damn it, but I do think like there's a story being told in a meta narrative as well. It's fine to say, oh there should have been some form, there definitely should have been more form, it would have made the dresses look a little richer, but also like that was her romping around shit. She was romping around the castle. Romping. Yeah, I can see that argument.

I am definitely on the side of a couple of those dresses needed a petticoat. Not a big one, but like I can see that argument and I can see how that might have been something that Janie would have thought of. I think it's one of those things that when you have different designers between seasons, you have to try and even from like a, especially from a Doyleist perspective, carry over that same narrative of like Janie made the designs for the Targaryen Valyrian style wedding. She made the designs for the dragon tamers. And the so the dragon tamer uniform between seasons is pretty much the same, mostly because that's something you can't really change. The gold cloaks are

the same. The king's guard are nope, they they're not. They're different from king's guards. I had to remember back to what did... Yes, yes, they're different. Those like slashy, diagonally, wrappy, those like band-aid wrap. It's like trying to remember what Jamie Landster looked like. We do get changes. But we do get changes to some of the armor of some Kingsguard, such as for especially like Kristen Cole, and then you know when someone becomes the Han, they're like wow. Accessorizing. Yeah, you got that shame going around. Exactly, they're like, what if we added that to your armor? Corlys gets that as well. He's not a Kingsguard, of course.

He's not qualified for that, but he's qualified for a lot of other things. No, that's true. Actually, Kristen's not qualified for a Kingsguard either, as we discussed last season. Hold on. Hang on. Yeah, I was gonna say who is.

Fantastic point. Hang on. Yeah, I was gonna say who is. Fantastic point. Um, Eric and Arik, they were They were qualified, but they're dead. Huh, and what does that say? How good could they have been? He makes the argument that None of the Kingsguard are qualified to be Kingsguard in that finale. Stephen Darklin! ST- Yeah, that's...

VB- But he's also dead now too, so I mean, how qualified was he? ST- What does this say about the narrative of being a knight? VB- Being dead is not a great job qualification for a judge. ST- Oh gosh. VB- Do not put being dead on your resume. ST- Something I'm really into in Hot D though, Do not put being dead on your resume. Something I'm really into in Hot D though, including season one and season two, like I think one great thing that Carolyn, Carolyn as if she's my friend, first name basis, something

Carolyn and I have been talking about recently, no she doesn't talk to me, about the costuming and something she kept in heart is that she kept both the heart of Game of Thrones in some aspects and did some, you know, gardening, some retroactively fitting costumes to the narrative and like coming back to Daenerys' later Valyrian outfits that were created and applying it to some of these characters with subtle changes that make it proto Daenerys in some aspects, but also she did respect, like you were saying, some of those original designs and expanded on them and I really think that's great and I think kind of that storytelling journey that a costume takes you on showing where a season one character was versus a season two character both by costume, by their actual narrative, by what

happens in the show for them. All of that, I think that's great and something we should explore today. And the Valerians are a really great look at that. So I've been talking about this with a couple other people on TikTok, Twitter, Instagram. It kind of starts, like you were saying about the proto Daenerys, there's been a couple of jokes of that Daenerys got to Dragonstone and just looked in the closet, saw Bela's outfits and was like, I'm actually, that's mine now. To which I say, perfect. Would they survive that long, do you think? looked in the closet saw Bela's outfits and was like I'm actually that's mine

To which I say perfect. Would they survive that long? Do you think like wait from like a non? Perspective would they survive that long or would they be like falling apart? Do you probably they would most likely be falling apart? I think dragon stone is supposed to be like a very damp environment, I believe as well as just all the smoke. And also, they would have been eaten long ago. Yeah, mothballs. Stannis Baratheon threw them out at some point. Stannis Baratheon got to Dragonstone and was like, fuck this, I'm just throwing all of it out. all of it out. No, it... So it's like, what did they say? It's like 173 years before Daenerys. Yeah, exactly. 172. Before Daenerys Targaryen. I'm trying to remember from... They like do, you know, like season one, episode one, talk so it's like 173 years before Daenerys was born. I'm like, dang. Um, no, they would not have.

Well, someone, I mean, if someone cared for it, would it have like, would it have carried through because people did live on Dragonstone and for quite a while, you know, it was an occupied home until the rebellion when, yeah, as you said, Stannis took over and he probably was like, I don't know, I mean he could have given it to other people, but that's only about what? About 13... 13 years, really. Yeah. Anyway. There's a potential that they could have survived. I mean, we put things in like, um, cedar closets to keep, or to protect like wool garments from moths. You're telling me they did not put these into a little like plastic bag and then vacuum seal, take out all of the air to preserve it even longer.

What, like a white silk cloak in the bottom of a cedar traveling chest. Wow. You know, one, that cloak isn't silk. That cloak's not silk. You know, I think that technology was lost in the Doom of Valyria, so probably not. Yeah, there's an interesting design element that has been kind of carried through. We see it in Daenerys and we see what is kind of continuation of that from the Valyrian wedding garments that Daemon and Rhaenyra wear. and especially in Ranira's like headpiece, it's very Kokoschnik style. But it's, we call it like this like Valyrian kite, a lot of, and we got some other Valyrian elements of design

in like Viserys' miniature architect building of the city. And you can see that there's a lot of Valyrian designs are kind of surround this very elongated like diamond or like a five sided diamond type of geometric figure. like a five-sided diamond type of geometric figure. So kind of like a kite. And it's very interesting when you go back, if you kind of like really remove yourself, you're like, okay, well, what does like a kite resemble?

And that would kind of resemble a dragon in flight. Whoa, so true. Wow. And it's very interesting. So especially like a Valyrian culture surrounded itself is like, we are the superior culture because we have dragons. You can see that a lot of they would put that into a lot of their designs and it's very interesting. Especially what we see with the proto-Denaris look is what is kind of being called the Targaryen dart. For people, for Eliana, a dart is a type of fitting. It's a way to fit a garment, especially for garments that don't have stretch. We don't have a lot of those left anymore. A lot of garments have spandex on them now.

But if you have like a woven garment, they'll have either like darts, which are typically going to be for women in the waistline and in the bustline. Or what we have is also like a seam line, which is where you convert those darts into seams so that you have one continuous line instead of these short lines across the bodice. What we refer to with the Targaryen dart is that it's basically an open-ended dart that has been folded. It's fabric that's folded over so that way the garment is being fitted but you still have this like freeform fabric. Okay, you can see me thinking real hard. It's like a very intense line that's pulling this fabric to a point basically in order to fit it to you. Megan is now going to show Eliana on a little piece of paper, but it's

like a very sharp seam that's going to tuck. So if I'm trying to like fit a curve, and I don't like, if you're trying to fit a curve, like to this, and the garment, and the fabric is flat, so you're trying to put a bend in it so that it will curve as well. And the Targaryen dart is basically like this, and then it does the bottom of the fabric will continue. So you have this on the shoulder. That's not the best explanation.

I don't know how to explain it and I like it's so hard to explain this without visuals, which is not great for a podcast format. Well, and I will say I'm going to probably put something together with some pictures just for people to take a look on our Patreon. So if you join our Patreon, you may get to see something with some photos to it. Maybe I'll even do a version. Yeah, maybe I'll even do a version with that. I'm actually going to send you, Eliana, to the chat. Yes, this kind of look at some of these seams that run this way on a

Daenerys outfit. It's not quite the same, but it's the curve and the sharpness of when she's on Dragonstone, and it does kind of follow that idea. I can't find a better picture. I don't know where our chance is. Yeah, you can kind of see where it like adjusts for the curve, right, but still keeps it very sharp and very angular. And like you were saying about a kite that's so funny, like to compare that kind of like angled line that's drawing you downward sharply.

And those angular shoulder pieces, right, and the collar and just all of these little bits of triangular bits all over the Targaryen outfits. And I think there's something really crazy about that that costume journey with the Velaryons and how in season one they keep some bits of Targaryen-ness, not a lot in some of the outfits, but there's some Valyrian bits, but it's much more a little bit rounded right like when we meet them you get that beautiful extra very extra golden black foil Patterns and lace and then you also see them move into like sky blues and turquoises and all of these beautiful shades of

blue and turquoise and chain adornment and lace trims like like Lena's SOC version of the Valarian outfit that had that beautiful mirish lace shall I say going on on it and you know we'll call it mirish lace that's canon mirish lace thanks Ryan. An interesting evolution though and you look at like Rainey's. Rainey's is such an interesting cornerstone of these two houses of a similar culture coming together. In season one, she has that very medieval princess dress shape, that square and round collar, very beaded, very classic and almost King's Landing cut, right?

A simple King's Landing cut, what you might see at court, and coloring and adornment of the Velaryons, though, showing kind of her alignment that while I'm a Targaryen, I am now married off into this family. And then the changes with the casual outfits at Driftmark, where she's a lady of the house, managing the house, much like Catelyn running around at Winterfell doing tasks. In season one of Game of Thrones, you see Rainey's being able to sit that chair and being able to manage that household and having those peasant tops and those droopy big round

sleeves. Megan, is there a term for this? I'm going to rely on you here for those shirts. For Rainey's costume? I'm trying to remember. Yeah, you know like the yellow one? The yellow one with the big ol' sleeves? The ones that are like... Oh, like she's wearing like a blouse. Yeah, a blouse. What are those? I would call that... I would call that just an extreme version of a bishop sleeve. It has basically they've put all the fullness of the sleeve into the cuff and that way you can just have a very large sleeve that's very loose and you don't have to worry about it being like fitted or anything. The darts are gone and you've added extra fullness. I've done so many bishop sleeves.

STACEY I just like the big fatness of them, the big roominess, like the air that would flow through those big honkers. I love them. It's almost sailor garb, right? Like it's her sailor velarian garb and kind of Baratheon coloring in the scene when Viserys comes to visit with family in tow. That brown and kind of yellow gold color. And she could be fluctuating going to the docks doing things around the castle as Lady of the House. I really love that part of season one of her. But then it all changes in season two. And it seems she follows her lineage, right? Yeah. Yeah, she gets a very Targaryen look. Yeah, I think I think that's really cool, especially

because she's kind of fully leaning into the fact that she is a Dragon Rider. And not that I think she's ever like leaned away from that, but I think she's always been. I'm like I'm now a Velaryon, I am part of the sea as well, but I think especially now that she has had to like fully declare for Team Black. She pulled that stunt during Aegon's coronation is like, I'm the dragon, I am the most senior dragon rider of this group. And I kind of have to take responsibility in some of that way. And you see that she knows that she has the largest dragon between all of them. And if anything has to happen, she is pretty much at that time the only threat to Veigar. We see how that ends. But I think that was like a really cool way to show that she is essentially taking

charge of the dragon riding portions of Team Black, especially in that first episode where we know that Rhaenyra has basically been missing for 11 days as she goes to search for her son Luke. And Rhaenys is the one that is taking charge of the patrols to ensure that Vegard doesn't come and try and catch them on the wares. I think that's a very nice touch. As well as I think something that I don't know if anyone else has picked up on, I was talking with a couple other friends, but you can see that a lot of team blacks outfits mostly, but especially Rainie's outfits, especially in season one, she no longer

has the long dresses that go to the floor. She has these short dresses that I actually believe in some cases might be like a skirt dress or like a split skirt, which is split skirts are basically pants or culottes that have a panel in front so that you can fold over the panel and it makes it look like a skirt, but it's actually two separate legs. And they're very fun to make. They're very fun to wear too, because they allow for a lot of that movement without like showing off everything. Basically, they allow for writing as well. So I think that was like a really interesting thing to show that Team Black is this far more active show that Team Black is this far more active group. They're doing those patrols. They're trying to take initiative. And I would

actually compare that to like Aegon's outfits, where he has like these longer tunics with the wider skirt. And granted, he is wearing pants with them so he does have the ability to ride a dragon but he is wearing like a lot more fancy outfit in comparison to like Renise's and even Rhaenyra's fancier but still more practical garments. Aerodynamic compared to him and his Valyrian-ass armor That he gets baked alive in

I guess he's lucky when I say it that way. He probably wouldn't have survived without it I mean nothing's as practical quite like you know going going to war drunk, you know Well, I mean, how else are you supposed to go? Well, how would you be going? I don't know, the way everyone else did, which was not drunk. Enjoy those demons. I don't know, I think I gotta be a little bit drunk to deal with this family. Yeah, right. Real.

That's real. I love that you brought him up for that though, because he's definitely that long tunic is in my thoughts this episode. We'll probably come back to it. Yeah. I think, oh, now, kind of circling back, the way I was also talking about that Kokoschnik style crown that Rainier wore during her wedding to Damien. Rainier swears something that's very similar to that during when she goes to fight at Rook's Rest. And I actually love it. I know some people were thinking it's a little bit weird. I love it. I think this is a great use of like headgear. We don't see a lot of like headgear

and headwear in like high fantasy shows. I don't see it enough and I'm so glad that we got more of it. I want to talk about this first but this is going to tie into like another thing that I saw from the costume team that Chloe saw me rant about. It's just so cool to see you have like the dragons on it. And then I believe, I believe that there are like stags in that crown design. And it's just so nice to have like that story of her in there. I definitely thought it was antlers as well, right? I think they're antlers. It looks like antlers, but someone pointed out it could be coral, which is a bummer. I'm like, yeah, yeah, Velaryon.

Okay, I get it. But to me, it looks like antlers. So you know what? Until someone says otherwise, I believe it's antlers. And I think that's really- I think it's antlers. Coral? Yeah, I think it's antlers and I think that's really Yeah, I think it's antlers it does like up close it looks like antlers it has little like twigs coming off of it Like branches it looks like antlers to me. It's ours is the fury It's her embracing it's her embracing her most like

Inher self and the self that she had to subdue after marrying Corlys and after losing the crown right to Viserys. It's the part of herself that she had to reinvent and to see her go from season one in these deep blues and these Valyrian colors and medieval princess cut dresses to go back to a warrior Valyrian cut with these angular bits with the collars, with the dark smoky colors and with the Toriel Elven shorter tunic, like you said it straight up Toriel, I can't unsee it now. Being aerodynamic and you know, it's interesting because she is taking back herself, taking back her own lineage and heritage and being like able to lead in that and I think the Reyna and Bela following a similar suit but still of their own is very interesting. Reyna is still keeping that femininity in that fuchsia color, not quite red, not quite crimson. She's wearing Mourning's color palette, even though Jury's

out there. That's where Mourning is, it's on her dress, but it still has those like dragon teeth embroideries and cut out pieces and is very different and very still Valyrian in some of the angling. And Bela too, right? She's wearing something that is very similar in some of the form to Grineer's Dragon Seed dress, right? Just in kind of the cut, the fitting around the waist, but still very much her own as well and in that very Targaryen red and black. So now we have the Targaryen clothing So now we have the Targaryen clothing claiming Reyna and Bela as they are not going to be the heirs to Driftmark and they are embracing dragon riding.

Yeah, that is true. I think Kind of going back to what you said about like Rhaeny's having to accept the fact that she could not be queen, but also still fighting for Veneira's right to be queen, and the fact that she dies with essentially a crown, but she also dies wearing red and black. Raina, I was talking about this with my friend Sima Lee and there is her like coat cloak, her hooded coat that one we don't have to continue with it but it looks a lot like Sansa's Elaine stone in when she is her traveling coat in season five. Love that one. But anyways, it's such, it's like a,

it's some type of like jacquard fabric that has this very angular like claw tooth mark to it. And it's so cool. It's like red, it's like a red and blue shot through fabric. Loved it. red and blue shot through fabric. Loved it. And then like Bela's office, when she's on Dragonstone

and when she's in a more casual setting, she has these beautiful deep red dresses. But when she's on dragon back, she looks the most prepared to fight out of all of them. She has this like chain mail sleeve. She has a padded bodice, padded skirt. And it's so cool to see that. Also the pleating on her cloak,

which is very reminiscent of Daenerys. Like we said, proto-Daenerys. Yes. This is what I said, like Raidra, or Daenerys. Yeah, oh my goodness. Pargeria names. When Daenerys gets to Dragonstone, she's like, Raid's Vance closet.

But also, it was very interesting to see Reina's dresses are similar in style to Alison and Helena's dresses. And actually Jane West or Jane West, really, Jane has a similar dress to Helena as well. I was really interested to see how we see that like storytelling between like what Alison and Helena are wearing are essentially like they are the monarchs, they're the ruling family, and so they kind of set they do set the trend of what is popular for other nobility in Westeros. And it was just so cool to see that like even across the different political factions, there is still a very similar

outfit in these women or for these women who are not dragon riders essentially. And it's interesting to see Rhaah's outfits start to kind of change as she chases after Cheepstaylor, basically. That was really funny. Yeah. And I mean, you know, as she's wearing this cloak in the veil, it really reminds us of the way that she's kind of digging into her own history and how her dad also has that cloak that he loves to wear all the time too. It's about their connections to one another. I mean you're being funny right now. Like I know you're being sassy on yourself. But also like you're always very funny and beautiful, but actually though, if she's taking over the Nuttles rule, wait.

You're right, though. And I'll double down on your joke and be like, even though the dress was a couple more panels, Jane Aaron's dress was straight up and including the beautiful custom burnt in veil pattern, the Aaron pattern on it, which was awesome. That was insane. That was like, burnt velvet! Wow! Yes.

That, that, bitches, those fancy bitches. But when she appeared with her golden brown, her cream gold and brown kind of lined cloak and her turquoise dress, I was like, welcome back Elaine Stone, welcome back Sansa Stark Battle of the Bastards dress. It even has the panel over top where the embroidery should sit more, you know, just like Sansa's Battle of the Bastards turquoise dress. That was crazy to me. The sleeves, the cloak, it was, the cloak color gives very Elaine from the Feast for

Crows Elaine chapter where she comes down the mountain and she's wearing the brown dress with the gold embroidery of vine and leaves on it. Not that I am telling you that by heart, but not that. So very interesting. And then Reyna also remaining very, although yes, she's wearing like the non-dragon rider form, she also still is very like remaining Valyrian in the face of the Eren style. And the Eren style being so Arthurian and out of place is so interesting to me. Like, it's very classic, right?

Like, this is like you've opened a medieval classic book and here's the Aryans and their truest winged knights and they have the castle and the clouds and she's wearing the dagged sleeves to the ground and pulling the sword out of the stone or the lake or whatever you want to do. So very cool. I think the that stark and no pun intended that stark like contrast between styles and cultures was really loud in the eerie. Oh yeah, I mean like the eerie especially is the way it is built it needs to be this like separate thing essentially because it's so removed from the rest of Westeros. Yeah I just I mean and you can also see it like she had the pleated cloak when she saw

Reyna off that is also very we see kind and see that repeated again in Game of Thrones when Lysa Arryn comes on screen and I was really good to see. I felt like it was very classic in that like it did there the throwbacks in costuming and set design and production to Game of Thrones they're great homages they're not like they're not disrespectful and they're not overt, right? Like they're just right. Yeah. They evoke what you need to be being evoked via while you're watching a Game of Thrones spin-off show, yeah. Yeah, you can see that they're still, it's part of the same world.

Immersive without being cheesy. It is. Really, really. You know, we've talked a little bit so far about our fancy princess dresses. Been very exciting. But let's give a break. Let's go to the Riverlands because I think there's a lot of really interesting stuff going on here. Yes. The armor, very cool. And also the diversity. Yeah. It was so cool to see, we talked about having two, because of having two different designers, of there's, you have to make sure that you continue some of the costume language from season one into season two, seeing Oscars, not when he finally confronts Damon, but

when he first is brought to Damon to speak with. He has that nice leather armor and Daemon, but when he first is brought to Daemon to speak with, he has the nice leather armor and is scaled, but it has that nice embossing into it that is – it mirrors Rayar Voices armor, which I thought was really cool. The Vale and the Riverlands are two separate cultures, but they do share borders and that was very nice to see what armor would look like for non-Targarians, or people who aren't Valyrian, or people who aren't Andal, and that was really nice. Especially with that emphasis on the first, like the old way and the first men that was brought up in the Riverlands too, and then you think of the Royces and how they're the first men of the Vale.

Yes. And their runes and the bronze of their outfits. I think that's really cool that they got to bring that to life from the books so subtly. As well as the way like we're so used to seeing Tullys in blue from Game of Thrones. We see that in Catlin. We see that with... Edmure. Yeah, Edm Thrones. We see that in Catlin. We see that with... Edmure. Yeah, Edmure.

I love him in the books. He's so... he's such a nice little dude. I do like him. I'm not gonna get into it. We see that in Catlin and Edmure wear a lot of that Tully blue. It was really, really cool to see Oscar wearing red, which is one of the other colors of Aus Tully. That was a very interesting way for both to tie him to the Targaryens, but also for us book readers, I read in general as like a general color theory is like very, it's very passionate color, it's very violent color. And he is a lad. Oscar Tully is one of the lads.

The lads are... he is a lad. He may have shrunk away originally from the idea of killing his kin, but by the end... Oh, the lads are giving the brotherhood, I guess, in some aspects. Oh my god, Ryan Condal is going to adapt the brotherhood without banners. Wow. We knew Ryan Condal really was a minor character lover thing. Way to go. I think my only gripe with the Riverlanders costumes was seeing Lady Malister wearing a very Arya-esque cloak. I don't know how I feel about that one. That asymmetrical cloak is such a statement piece for Arya, so I thought that was interesting

too. I'm like, oh, so it's a Riverlands piece? Yeah! She spends a lot of time in the Riverlands, but you're also talking about, I mean, Oscar wearing red, it does help him also stand out visually from his bannermen who might, if they are wearing more of those cooler blue colors. So I mean, it is still a cool red, but- Lady Malisker is in a blue. The blue. The only other. Yes.

Yeah, grayish blue. I'm trying to remember. I mean, the Brackens are in yellow. Who is the guy that like first confronted Oscar when they're in that gathering about being like, Willem Blackwood committed war crimes? What are you going to do about that? Because he was also in kind of like a muted bluish gray. They're all kind of in that gray and what's interesting, Eliana, when you point out how he's in red against them all is we

talked a lot about how it was very much like a stage play, like a play. Like theater, how it was set up. You almost had like the ghosts coming at him and being like, look at what you've done, look at what you've done, and here in had like the ghosts coming at him and being like look at what you've done, look at what you've done, and Harrenhal, the blocking, it was all very Shakespearean. Composition. So the color is such an interesting stage choice for focal, like that is what you would do in a play. Yeah, the composition is amazing. So Oscar, look at what you've done.

Damon, look at what you've done. Yeah, Oscar totally knows what he's doing. Very good for him. Grandpapa raised a good kid, I guess. Raised a very strong kid. And by that I mean not this other strong. He can tell you how to get to Sesame Street. Oh my god, he could!

Ugh, no, I still feel robbed, I'm sorry. I, you know... I know you want the rest. Won't they have access to the Sesame Street Muppets characters, or is that just- Yeah, they do. Yeah, come on. HBO. I kind of think, like, conspiracy, I think they bought it solely for the show.

Yeah, no, I did think that. I legitimately did think that. I, yeah, I was also joking. That's the theory. Should they have put him in green instead, like Oscar the Grouch? Thoughts, thoughts, thoughts. A green trout is a trout all the same. You know, speaking of Riverlanders, Eliana, I know that you had one character close to

your heart this season who was always covered in fabulous drip. Could you explain to me your favorite aspects of Simon Strong's costuming this season? Yeah, turns out Harrenhal's not the only thing that's dripped. God drip. It's Simon Strong. And he won over not only my heart, but the heart of many viewers. It really wasn't just me. A lot of people pointed out like, wow, this man's just out here, like

wearing fabulous clothes, but also that just being like the most adorable character going, oh dear, and like everyone's worried about Simon Strong not just me and everyone should be worried about Simon Strong there is very plausible reason to be worried about Simon Strong but precious man we love him he's got a completely different vibe from I don't know interestingly the rest of the the people in his household they don't seem as extravagantly dressed. Neither does Larry's. So he's just, this is just, he's just a diva. And I love that. Ehh, Larry's has some dress. Larry's has some dress.

It's a different kind. It's a completely different fashion statement than the statements that Simon Strong are making. He keeps it simple, stupid. You know what I mean? He's like Chanel. Simon is like, it's like, yeah, he's clean. He's clean girl fashion. He's like, here's my sexy chain. Here's my drip on my cane. Oh, that rhymes. And here's my little dumpling. There he's like Chanel, and Simon Strong is like, Shaparelli. All right, this is... Shaparelli's a good comparison. No, I think

that's just the difference of being in King's Landing and being in Harrenhal, as well as the fact that Harrenhal is so dilapidated. I mean, the entire budget is going to Simon. They're so broke because of his choices. But I think that kind of ties him too. It's probably fucking drafty in there. It's probably cold and he's an old man. He's an old man. He needs to stay warm. Keep him warm.

Yeah, he's not gonna live much longer. Not because of the cold, though. Not because of the cold, but... Let him go out in style. Because of a very angry, angsty second son. Maybe Alice could take his necklaces, like when he gets his head chopped off by Aiman, maybe she'll like wear the necklaces. That could be fun. Like I'm serious-ish, maybe? Like she's lady of the castle now, fuck y'all. And who had a better costume story than Alice Rivers? Because that was so interesting.

Oh, I love it. How you can see one outfit transformed the whole season, right? Because of her station, she's not somebody who's going to have glorious, glamorous dresses and definitely not wearing them every day. She wore one dress, that beautiful deep blue, navy purple, whatever, purple Riverlands color, showing she's one of the underplayers right here, the smaller players, but maybe not so small. Then the apron with the Weirwood embroidery, which was everything to me, that kind of surcoat with it on there, and I think she had another one

towards the end of the season with another like vest over the dress of some sort, so I really enjoyed that. She has the vest and then she has like a leather coat, which is really cool. Yeah, and a- yeah! That leather short jerkin almost, maybe. I don't know, that's another term, that's a shirt thing. A medieval shirt thing, but, and that the materials weren't too luxurious,

but they still had some ornament, which is very her, right? And also were versatile for working. Like she was able to work in them. She was able to do blood magic in them. She was able to haunt Daemon in them able to do blood magic in them. She was able to haunt Damon in them. That's a hard job, you know. Yeah, she she has multiple jobs to do. Yeah, she really does.

You know, she's she's giving Damon a conscious is a lot. This is what we have to do in this gig economy. We just have to have like five different jobs. Is yeah. Is, yeah. Alice, I love Alice Rivers. That costuming was so amazing. Oh, I just, like you said, wearing, she basically had one outfit that she styled with a couple of different outerwear options and work accessories that was so fun to see. Cannot wait to see more of her and Gail and loving what they're doing with this character. Oh yeah, that was lovely to see. I liked it. Yeah, absolutely. And I also have to think that like, I mean, we've kind of mentioned

before that like, Allison and Helena, and even Raniera, a lot of everyone's outfits have been much more comfortable this season, they're not wearing these like, like well-to-do outfits. I think Simon's outfits too are reminiscent of almost PJs. I would like in person like historically I would say he's wearing something similar to like a hoop like a man's hoopland which is a like low German style of medieval fashion. It's layers and layers of clothes. It's been so interesting. But then we also get to see sleepwear, which was so fun. I loved seeing sleepwear. Going back to Raniera's sleepwear, I just... Yeah, there is a lot of sleepwear this, uh...

I mean, a lot of things happen, like, in the bedroom, but not in, like, a sexy way this season. No! Most of the things happening in the bedroom are traumatic. Yeah! They really were! Raniera... Raniera almost gets killed. Damon is constantly haunted.

A little child is also killed. A little child's also killed. The child pajamas. Yeah. Everything that's happening in the bedroom is traumatic. Yeah. But not in a fun way. I can add that that child's like a funeral, funeral clothing to this.

Oh, jeez. I can't think about Jaehaerys' funeral too much or else I'd go cry. Yeah. Oh, it was just... Yeah, I mean, like, Helena and Alyson look beautiful, Jaehaerys, his little body with the funeral stuff. I wish we had gotten to see like his funeral pyre, but I understand that we've already seen one Tigarian funeral pyre this season.

So yeah, I'm going to need you to follow the budget, Megan. Okay. We only have so much time. That baby boy got his head to roll. We're busy setting real people on fire. That's what I learned from behind the scenes. We're not setting like the fake child body on fire. We're setting real people on fire later in the season. Yeah, so we have to prepare for that.

You know, Raniera wears her bag clothes twice and they're so dreamy and Erin inspired and then you have that turquoise color which is interesting for Jaehaerys. Yeah. Little Jaehaerys. He's got that like and it's still very light. It's it's not Vilarian. It's like a mixture of Helena's Dreamfire blue and Aegon's green, if that sense to me like that's what it was. Yeah, I think it's still very much like a team green Green, but it does have a little bit more of that blueish tone to it Which I think I guess kind of an interesting because you we see it very briefly on

Johara as well for like the five seconds that she's on screen, but It's very nice. But it's very, it's like very childlike almost. And the same, like they're not putting their children in like baby blue or baby pink. They're putting them in like baby green. Yeah, I didn't, which was very cute. The children's outfits to the season have been lovely. We didn't get to see a lot of children's outfits in season one, but like between Joffrey, Jahara, Jaharis, there's been a lot of... DeSara, Zayn, even them, they have those very stiff black outfits, very Valyrian and small. I didn't even realize this, but this is not, this is actually not a joke, but like, I guess Helena's got, I mean, she's wearing a lot of green and she's having her green dreams.

This is literally. For dragon dreams. Exactly. Well, it's a both, I think. Oh my god. It's her brat era. Brat girl summer for Helena. This is not related to costuming, but I have had this theory for so long that like dragon

dreams and green seeing are the same thing under different cultures. So that was, yeah, better to costuming. They're all bending the same magic. Yep. Yeah, in their own way. Yeah. Yeah. And one other person I want to call out, like, because her outfits were so iconic. The first season,

Misaria, she wore a lot of white, right? Which kind of showed the way that she was trying to stay, and she still does stay quite close to, you know, those upper classes, but the way that she was kind of selling that illusion in the first season, right? And that establishment. She switched to a lot more comfy clothing this season, Misaria, and then has kind of done away with all that white clothing. That's like, I remember I think I told I think I mentioned this once in a different episode where I had a boss and she was like, Yeah, you know, someone's like trying to like you can tell like, to an extent, if someone wears a lot of white all the time, they got money, because they're getting that cleaned.

That is very true. I'm just tenacious. White needs to be cleaned so much. I'm just tenacious, I hand wash everything. I'm like a weirdo. But honestly, for white, I have to do that at work so often. We have to hand wash all of our whites because it's so necessary.

It gets everything. It gets the sweat. I will say. Yeah. Yep. And water, like hard water leaves stains. Sunscreen is my enemy right now. I was just saying, sunscreen, if you get oil in there,

it's over. It's been turning, this is just work drama. It's been turning all of, like we have these collars that are removable thank God but they've been turning, the sunscreen has been turning them all orange and I want to scream. Love that hard water in that state, that place that you live in that I don't know. But yeah. That happens at my parents' house. If I go to my parents' lake and I'm out in the sun and have sunscreen on, I can't wash my swimsuit there. I just wait until I get home to see the water. Is it a zinc thing? I think it's the zinc. It's

a combination because we're in the city. That with the sunscreen. Yeah, the sunscreen. Yeah, I think it for Miss Aria too, it's been interesting to see that you can in her outfits, you're basically seeing like proto King's Landing, Cersei and Sansa outfits in her current silhouette with that very like kimono style crossover and the sleeves. It's so fun. But like you're saying, she's slowly leaving from the white and going into this darker gray, which is a lovely touch for her to now be loyal to Team Black. But yeah, that was so cool. I love Misaria, I love Senoya. They're... Well, becoming a dark gray character, probably morally. And she's been styling her hair.

Her hair is a little more similar to the other Targaryens as opposed to how she had a lot of those updos the first season. I mean, going back to Alana Macy, that was... We'll talk about her right now. first season. I mean, going back to Alina Macy, that was, we'll talk about her right now. I love, she has like two looks in season two, but each one I just adored. She has this like, it's very similar.

I don't know if I would, I need to go back and rewatch and see if the other servants on Dragonstone have a similar outfit to her. I don't remember off the top of my head, but she has this like fitted coat hardy style medieval dress that then has like a surcoat over top of it, which was really fun. It's very similar to Reyna and Béla's funeral outfits during Luke's funeral. But it's just also, it's a nice casual style type of dress that allows for movement. It looks like it would be easier to wash. And for people who don't know, a coat hearty for people who don't know, a coat hardy, when we're talking about medieval clothing,

can be worn as both a basic garment that is worn under your more fancy dresses, or you can wear it as your main dress. Their coat hardy is kind of like a universal word to describe a dress at this time that is made, that's a very form-fitting A-line style dress. And it's a very simple but very effective dress. And I just, I love that little touch of detail in that she is technically a noble,

but she is working in this, like she is working under the Targaryens. And later when we see her working as essentially a spy and propagandist, she had no longer has like the surcoat. She's just in her basic gray dress, but it's just that as well as like her hooded coat. I love that we don't have cloaks in this era except for Alicent, but everyone's wearing these coats that are very nice and full, but they have the nice fun hood. That's like, I don't adore that. I like that. That's a nice little touch. I like a big crime hood. Big crime hoods, yes.

Hilariously, they are all committing crimes of some sort when they do this. Linda Macy is... God damn right. That's what I like about it. Linda Macy is spreading propaganda. Allison is committing treason. Reyna is essentially abandoning Aegon and Bezerra. Child neglect. Child neglect.

There we go. The one thing that really bugged me about Alinda Massey, I love Alinda Massey being there. In fact, I love elements for costumes. I was so excited to see the Massey sigil on something. Like that was so crazy. That was just like a nerd-out. Like, the lamest shit I could ever say, like, I saw the Massey sigil on a dress. But like, AceWaft didn't, or Game of Thrones didn't do that, right? Like, you didn't have sigils

incorporated artfully constantly. You had Cersei with the lions, but I think that's different, right? Besides the beautiful red sleeves, that's a once-in-a-lifetime costume. Those big dag sleeves with the red with the lions embroidered, but like you didn't often have... Like after season one, two, three, the costuming changed, you didn't have these great embroidery pieces of their actual sigil and this blending of the color into their costume. So like that was exciting just to see a sigil and this blending of the color into their costume. So that was exciting just to see a sigil, you know, just decorated in there because how boys decorate their shields, girls decorate their dresses, right? They put their sigil all over that shit. Like that's the whole thing.

So that was cool to see. But then she took it to King's Landing and she's wearing it in plain sight with her bright red hood. So that was like my strike where I was like, okay cool, I love it. Like I like the costumes no matter what because I would wear any of them. They're so fun. And the hood. But I just was like, girl are we doing like a spy plot or what? Can we calm down? Like you're not blended. I mean they're kind of doing a spy plot. She's Carmen Sandiego. Exactly. Well, you gotta blend though. You know, like you're wearing bright red, like low-key, low-key.

But I also would, like the one argument, obviously the big time we ever see Olinda in season one is during Raniera's birth. That's true. So she's wearing more of a midwife outfit. And hers on rewatch, it does look a little bit finer than the other outfits in some aspects. So like, I think it's just not as constant. But for me, my other problem is that she is noble. She should be copying the Valyrian outfits of the court and it should be, she's not a servant. She is in some aspects. She's servile, but she's not a servant. She's a lady in waiting.

She was brought to court to attend Raniera and be around her and go around with her and do stuff and, you know, attend activities and maintain her virtue and all that shit. Like she's there so that what happens with Raniera in season one, episode four doesn't happen. Okay. She doesn't go doing stuff with her uncle, like she's supposed to be there for that kind of shit. You know Margaery's maids, I think of Lady Bolwer and all these like little women that are somewhat copycats in some aspects but still with their own visual look. And I think Game of Thrones did a great job of that with Margaery and her maids in some aspects you see them being variants. They're Marvel variants, right? They're Marvel variants of her. So I would

like to see more of that before she gouges her eyes out when we're here at IZ. I mean, she doesn't stop her from doing stuff with her uncle. There are two whole ass kids there and then there was one stillborn one last season so what were you doing Alinta? She's gonna pay for her crime someday now. Against me. I think before we move on to our next section I just want to also give out a shout out to Steph Mills or Steph Miles costume. They did a lot of the behind the scenes or not behind the scenes but like large crowd headgear work. They were the ones that did the hats in one of the riot scenes. Oh, hats. in one of the riot scenes. Oh, that.

And I was, I have, I don't know how to explain to you how exciting it is for me to see large brim strut hats in high fantasy. It is because it, that's a pastoral thing. It means that these people are out in the fields working and protecting their skin from being sunburnt essentially. And it's so cool.

They have a photo of their work on their profile and it's just, it's a lovely hand braided straw hat. They also did a couple of Helena's head pieces and just, I love head gear so much in my fantasy. It is not used enough in my opinion and to see just like the detail work that went into these large crowd scenes because they even did the love these lovely like daycaps that are worn by the servants and the small folk and they have this beautiful I need you to understand that this is an actual type of not really embroidery detail but like fabric manipulation and it sounds silly. It is called faggeting. Oh no. Believe me, I laugh. I laugh every time. I have to talk about this technique, but it is, I have laughed about it in professional settings and fully

embarrassed myself. But it is a type of of basically you have these cross threads that are used to connect two pieces without having to sew, like fully sew the garment together. And so you have this like intricate little, it looks like lace in between so that you have like this lace little panel down the side. It's very beautiful. Terrible name for it. It is called faggaining. I would suggest looking it up. It won't, I promise it won't actually come back

with anything bad, but you will see beautiful needlework that goes into it, but it does have a terrible name. Yes, those beautiful, like almost like a cell-like. Almost. They're just little cells. I love it. Beautiful work. Megan, we are at the end.

I know we've covered a lot. I know we could cover more for hours. What was your best rest of the season right now? And you have to tell it to me, like you're writing for a for a magazine I want to hear the hot takes I want to hear how they served go. Oh my god. Honestly, Alicent in every single outfit that she wore to the Sept, every time that she had to go to the set specifically when she meets Raniera in the set. But like that, she is the queen going to church and she is looking gorgeous while doing it. And I think it's one of those like that if this is the only time she goes out in public and is seen

by the public, she is making sure that she looks absolutely amazing every single time. It's so good. Oh, oh. She's serving cunt in front of the seven. Yes! You're praying for your dead family and you're serving cunt. Well, you never know when you're gonna run into your ex at the Sept, which does happen to her a non-zero amount of times. You never know!

Oh, real. That's so real. And wait, did you guys see the Bluetooth vibrator tweet about that scene anyways? No. Wait, what? I am not. There's a tweet, it's my favorite tweet from that episode, honestly, of like the whole entire internet. That episode of the internet where it's that scene, but somebody has set it with a Bluetooth vibrator noise. Oh my god. And like making it seem slash look slash sound like Rineera is using a Bluetooth vibrator and the faces and the... It's gay. So I'll send it to you guys. I'll find it later.

Oh, I need this hand so bad. I'm sorry that I've done this to you, Megan. Megan's like, I'm... Wow, flushed. It is everything. Yeah, when I saw it, I've done this to you, Megan. Megan's like, I'm... wow, flushed. It is everything. Yeah, when I saw it, I was like, hmm. The vision's there. Twitter is like, you know, Twitter's the worst, but I could never get rid of it. I love that site. It could never make me hate it. It's edited with the noise and it's... Perfect. Thank you.

My best dress is the, to be the opposite spectrum. I'm going to go Allicent in blue. I love the color journey from blue being the color with the Florent sigil with the Fox and the blue roses and that final cloak with the blue rose embroidery upon it and the dress, that beautiful blue and that dress in the episode before with that like light teal that too love that all together I know that Megan is doing something and may ever come to it you never know she might tell us something about that someday but Alicent has an aversion to green at

the end of fire and blood before her very sad death right before she dies the shivers terrible we're starting progression, a slow and steady plot progression. Maybe we're moving towards gray even eventually, a color of penance of neutrality like Rhaenyra in that Septa outfit. Who knows? Very religious, very her giving herself to the seven at the end, but love the blue symbolism of innocence like in a fairy tale, right? We've had the pinkish Belle winter outfit already from her in season one. Well, Alison's a bookworm canonically now She's wearing blue again Even a Sleeping Beauty make it pink make it blue make it green make it black

I feel like there's something there a dichotomy of the spinning coin and Even you have like Wendy Peter Pan or like Ever After, that baby blue, that innocence, paintings that evoke it too. It's giving Young Girl in a Blue Dress by Renoir. It's giving Miranda the Tempest by John Waterhouse. It's giving Strip It Away, Wash It Away, till you've bled out all of the green and all you have left is nothing just resonance on the water and then color your world again with that color of living and that color of like rebirth and innocence and new and young and I hope that we see more of that and I hope we see Helena get to wear it because it's her fucking color also is blue I would love she wears that more. We saw her wear that for coronation. I want it back.

I want it back so bad. Give me Dreamfire blue. Please. Please, Carolyn. Please. Please. What is his name? Daniel Zaslav or whatever.

Give us Dreamfire. Let us have budget. I might have, no David shit. Give us Dreamfire. I don't, no, David shit, give us Dreamfire. I don't know. Whatever man name. Maybe if he had given us budget, I would have learned his name. Maybe, maybe we would have seen it.

Uh, Eliana, what was yours? Ah, I don't know. I haven't like thought hard about like what my favorite, we've talked about a lot of the outfits that I liked, and I've mentioned them throughout the season, I love the green of Gwyn's outfit. I like Gwyn's horse's armor. That will be my favorite outfit. His horse has different armor than the other horses. It is the fanciest of the horses. So that is my favorite outfit.

It's true. I do like his armor and his horses. It's very preppy. It's giving very preppy, very- He owns a yacht and he does like polo. Yes. Yeah. His horses' armor literally does match the posters, the way that they do the dragons for the posters for a lot of the House of the Dragons stuff and the way that the dragons look made of metal. The horse, that's my choice. That's really good.

I will also say, second favorite one is just team black in general. They have the fanciest of jokes. I love them. Yeah. Coacher. Hot. Hot. Hot. They literally look like fantasy office sirens as the youth say it. Yeah. And it's so good. Office siren. Office siren. That's what the Kinos are calling it. Office siren, office siren, that's what the Kinos are calling it. Even though, even though people are like, you should not, you don't need to wear this to the office.

You just gotta show up to work. Don't get fired wearing office siren clothing. Yeah, you don't gotta serve in the office. In your little, in your cubicle. Serving cunt in my guest bedroom. I can wear jeans to work, so it's fine. Megan, thank you for serving cunt today with us. Oh, you're so welcome. I'm so glad to be serving cunt here. Unhut Unleash the D.

We'd love to have you back to do this again. Please, please come back. We'll do more costuming on Unleash the D. Yes, we'll have our people call your people. Can you remind the folks at home where the fuck to find you? Yep. And your outfits on the internet. Yeah, so you can mostly find me on Instagram at BirdieD Costuming, or BirdieD.Costuming.

That is B-I-R-D E E dot costuming and from there I have links to almost all my other socials because I was not smart and didn't get my didn't save my username for every single platform but yeah you can find me there. I also have Facebook in that. It's the same thing, basically. Who was that? I elucidated that. From there you can see.

It's almost time. Whatever. Whoever still uses that. Well, thank you again for joining us. Eliana, tell them where to find us till next week with Dome Magicians. Well, I don't know where they can find you, but I guess on this podcast, you can find me at Girls Gone Canon, which is a podcast that I regularly host. You can find us on twitter.com slash girls gone canon. That's C-A-N-O-N or you can send me emails at girls gone canon at gmail.com.

Chloe, where can they find you? Where can they find you? Still choked up that you're a guest host on this episode, huh? Uh, thanks for inviting me here to serve Cunt 2. Serving Cunt in an honorable guest host kind of way. You can find me on this fucking podcast too, but head over to patreon.com slash girlsgonecanon where you might find a special version of this episode eventually with some visuals. Someone will be working on it and that someone might be me.

So come check it out for some visuals and we'll even include some cool previews of some of Megan's cosplays you can find on her pages that are so fucking well constructed. Thank you. Yeah, you got to check them out. We'll be back next week with Joe Magician. Thanks for listening in to Unleash the D, Season 2, Episode 4. I've been one of your hosts Chloe. Thanks so much for having me. I'm Eliana from Girls Con Cannon. How about you Megan? Goodbye. I'm Megan slash Bertie D. It's so good to be here with you and have a good night.