God Awful Movies - 404: Psychiatry: An Industry of Death

Episode Date: May 16, 2023

This week, Cara Santa Maria joins us for the scientology "documentary" called Psychiatry: An Industry of Death. --- If you’d like to make a per episode donation and get monthly bonus episodes, please check us out on Patreon: http://patreon.com/godawful Check out more from Cara on the Talk Nerdy podcast. Check out our other shows, The Scathing Atheist, The Skepticrat, Citation Needed, and D&D Minus. Our theme music is written and performed by Ryan Slotnick of Evil Giraffes on Mars. If you’d like to hear more, check out their Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/EvilGiraffesOnMars/?fref=ts All our other music was written and performed by Morgan Clarke. To hear more from him, check him out here: https://www.morganclarkemusic.com/

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I feel like because of what you're about to learn, Kara, what are we gonna be breaking down today? I'm glad. That's the longest side before the title. And we've had some long ones. Nice. This episode's gonna get booted from the iTunes because fell long that silence.

We're gonna hit our silent smoker and not be on iTunes anymore. So Eli originally picked a different movie and then did a switcheroo on me. Switcheroo? Switcheroo. Yeah. We watched psychiatry and industry of death.

Death, death, death. Yeah, it's a quote, documentary, produced by the quote, Citizens Commission on Human Rights, which is not what it sounds like. It's actually a front group, fully funded by the Church of Scientology to push an anti-psychiatry agenda. Yeah, that's correct. Also some exciting news before we start. Carrie, you just recently published a book in the field. A field that gets revealed as a giant

hoax in this very serious document. Do you want to tell us about your book of lies before we get going? Oh, yeah, sure. Thank you. So, um, fellow evil doer, Dr. Steven Hopp, who is a licensed psychologist and professor at Southern Illinois University, Edward Villani. Yep. Yeah, I'm doing air quotes while she's saying, don't worry, I got to cover you. License, I come on. Professor. That's what you sound like.

Illinois. Seven two-foot. Co-edited a new book called pseudoscience and therapy, a skeptical field guide. It's a collection of writings from other evil experts in the field. And it's meant to help readers learn about interventions that are supported by evidence, but also those that aren't and how to prevent harm. You know, it's like what this movie could have done, but didn't. Right.

Yeah, exactly. You're like the good universe twin of this movie. Yeah. And Eli, how bad was this movie? Well, if you love passive aggressive fights about a remark you made three thanks givings ago, but you wish it was about the validity of medical science instead and brought you by the earth's second dumbest religion.

You will love this moving second. Second. Scientology. What's the top? Yeah. Mormonism is the Mormonism. I love the dumbest one. We win.

We. Congratulations. My upbringing. Look, Mormonism. Look, I love me some Scientology, but Mormonism's the only religion that has a story in the religion about, oh yeah, what if I hide those pages? Can you reproduce them? No.

Come on, like we got a credit, we're credits still. But really? Because you're going to say psychiatry instead of books. I feel like we could definitely argue about this for a while, but we will. But we will. All right. Well, that's official one and two on the rankings anyway. And I, Eli, would you like to do a long, angry preamble that we don't normally do in

our format right now? I would, Keith. Great. I would. Thank you. You have the floor. Thank you. So as Karen mentioned, this movie is made by the very official sounding citizens commission

on human rights, but that is nothing. It's just the Church of Scientology with a fancy name. A fact that Wikipedia backs up with nine citations, like they're trying to calculate the exponential size of the universe. There's some shit. And you might be asking yourself, Eli, what does the Church of Scientology have against psychiatry? Well, the answer's two-fold. First and foremost, Elrond Hobbert, their prophet,

slash guru guy, was a paranoid schizophrenic. Like, that was a medical condition he had. And he was actually totally fine with psychiatry for most of his life. He requested one from the VA when he got out of the army. He worked in a mental hospital for a while and wrote and spoke highly of the psychiatrist there. But then he had a really terrible episode and his wife's psychiatrist recommended that he be committed for his paranoid schizophrenia. And then he decided that psychiatry was his

enemy and demonstrated how sane he was by kidnapping said wife and their daughter. And running a pirate ship thing. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, literally this is the beginning of the pirate ship time, which brings me to the second reason scientists don't like psychiatry because Elrond didn't just like have a grudge against psychiatry, dionetics and auditing the robot hand job alien purging thing that scientists do. That was meant to replace psychiatry. That's not an exaggeration, Woody, I just said about that. It's supposed to be the new thing.

And that's ridiculous to everybody to think that you could replace it with the robot hand jobs, except Scientologists still very much think that's going to happen and are happy to repeat that there are 10 Scientologists for every psychologist at literally any opportunity. And I point this out for a couple of reasons. One, if you find yourself agreeing with Scientologists about literally anything, it should be a pretty big red flag for you. But two, as Kara's book points out,

psychiatry like all things requires skeptical intervention. We need smart people like Kara and Dr. Fake name from Southern Fake State to examine like flaws and biases and problematic aspects of society. But we do not need Scientology propaganda to do it. And so that's why we're here today. We look at this not involved in anything Eli was just talking about. Correct.

Yes. And I feel like if it's okay, if I may interject for just a second to point out, one thing the film doesn't do. What did you just say you love? Nothing at all. What did he say? He said, I wish you wouldn't when you asked to interject. Wait, I feel like this is important for a handful of people listening.

No, you're absolutely interjecting here. That's not okay. It's locked in. I'm editing this. What is the, okay, I feel like we should make sure that we specify or clarify the difference between psychiatry and psychology because they just make it all seem like it's the same thing. They do.

Yeah, they use those words real interchangeably. Real interchangeably, right? Like those are the same, what are you talking about? Say the two words that you're saying are different. Psychiatry, psychology. You said the same. This is like a, this is the Gold Yellow dress thing, right? You're gonna see anyone, yeah.

So I'm training to be a psychologist, a clinical psychologist, which means I'm getting my PhD. I did not go to medical school. Not an MD, okay? Not an MD. Psychiatrists are MD. Psychiatrists have an MD.

Yes, and they have prescriptive authority. Got it, allegedly. Psychologists are PhDs or side-dies, and they do talk therapy only. So you're not gonna be able to give us drugs? So you can't give you time to live. Well, I don't think that's true. Yeah. As we get it.

All right. Is there anything that y'all would like to nominate this quote movie documentary, whatever, for being the best at being the worst at best worse, complete and total fucking destruction of my YouTube algorithm as if it's. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, good bye. where it's complete and total fucking destruction of my YouTube algorithm as if it's a movie. Oh, yes, baby. Oh, yeah. Goodbye.

Good bye. Any hope I may have had? Yeah, but guys, you, you're not working on being a psychology. It's like, I disagree, Karen. Maybe this was my first step. I have some hope for finding legitimate content about the actual field I work in, but fuck it. We're literally writing this script in Google Drive right now. It's all the same company, but fuck it. We're literally writing

this script in Google Drive right now. It's all the same company. They know everything were fucked. We're fucked. Yeah. You just don't do anything wrong and you're finding more content for our podcast. Okay. I was going to go with best worst. Just do your movie and tell us about your religion magic. And they never do. They're just shitting on psychiatry the whole time. And I'm like, okay, well, so do you suggest volcano demons instead? You wanna hear about that?

But they never do, they edge Scientology. It's so hard. And we never get to Scientology. Yeah, obnoxious. Ran out of credits, it's the worst. And I'm gonna go with best worst. And they're making healthcare expensive. Okay, so in a movie that literally makes the claim

that the essential character of psychiatry is to be a child rapist, they will get diverted several times by saying, and by the way, they're driving up your health insurance premiums too, just I wanna point out that. We can't look at this graph, Yeah. That's a weird contrast. Six and one half a dozen. All right. Well, this is a lot. I think we're going to need a quick break before we get going.

And then we'll be back to tell you all about psychiatry. Carous big lie. All right, everyone. Welcome to the first ever meeting of science. I mean, the citizens commission on human rights. Oh, so official sounding nice. Nobody has the ability to Google. Nope. Nope. Right. Right. So quick reminder, our goal is to move people away from psychiatry and towards auditing. Uh, yeah, auditing is the thing where you hold the metal dicks, right? Yeah, metal dicks, and then someone moves a dial for no reason. Exactly. We want people to be down for that, if you know what I'm saying.

That's got to be pretty easy, right? Isn't auditing just like talk therapy? You would think that, yes, you would think that, but no, the combination of the staggering lack of training we give auditors actually makes it much worse than talk therapy. Yeah, and that's not counting when it's used to punish people, which there are like tons of records of us doing hundreds of hours. We don't have people sleep. It's a lot. Okay, okay. So we need to convince people that psychiatry is worse than holding metal dicks that do nothing. Worse than nothing, but yes, yeah.

Right, but psychiatry is just the field of mental health medicine. We can't lump all of psychiatry together in the name of branding. Actually, we very much can. Yeah, that's the plan, but how though, we're looking for a how. Right.

Well, I mean, we could say that psychiatry, the field of medicine. Yeah. Did the Holocaust and racism? Nice. Nice. You are a genius. We should open a museum right now.

Alright, you're ready for the Sparkle Donkey Tequila ad. Nice. Sparkle Donkey Tequila? Oh, yeah, they sponsored our Seattle live show. So we like to just throw them an ad now and then really great product too. Yeah. Okay, sounds great. So this is the copy here. Yeah, right there. He's teller the teller the thing. Dude, if you want to talk to her about it, you do. I don't want to talk to her. Guys, I'm right here. Yeah, sorry, sorry. Eli thinks you sometimes read the ad copy like wrong or something

is what he said. It's just a bit lackluster is all. It's sometimes it doesn't feel like you're giving it your all. Oh, you know, you have notes. Cool. So he Eli, remind me about all the TV shows that you have hosted before. Wow! Punching down, Cara! Yeah, well, you're not very tall. Okay, okay. Wow. That was pretty funny. Good burn, Cara. But can we just read the copy? Fine. Yeah.

Fine. Okay. So, hey, Eli, what you drinking? Oh, hey, Cara. Just this ordinary tequila. What? Why would you drink that when you could drink Sparkle Donkey? Sparkle Donkey Tequila? What's that? Well, after the legal troubles of their raccoon urine giveaway this year, Sparkle Donkey Tequila is better than ever. With four enticing flavors, there's never been a better time to buy it.

That's right. Sparkle Donkey comes in cinnamon, a naeho, silver, and repassato, none of which are raccoon urine. Never raccoon urine. Sparkle Donkey Tequila. We're really, really sorry about the raccoon urine thing. Nice. Well done. Well done. Yeah. Good job. You guys have weird sponsors. For the record, I was in two pilot readings in college, Cara, two of them. Oh, yeah. What channel were they on? You are. You are a channel.

Sick bird. And we're back. And we're going to start with people getting stamped on their forehead with the name of a condition from psychiatry and then handed medicine to help that, but menacingly deternas movie. Not easy to make. Here's medicine. You need to survive.

Look, ominous, but damn it. The CCHR is trying their best. They tried. Yeah. And they say there's an $80 billion a year industry with a death rate of 42,000 people again, a year and they're talking about psychiatry, I think, which doesn't sound right. No citation there. Yeah.

So I looked this up, the only source I can find for the claim is cchr.org. That's the people who made this movie. But when they cite it, they do cite a different page of their own website. So you know, this has been vetted. Well, you can't start with Ibit, guys. You have to start with Ibit to make any sense. Yes. Okay.

So they give you that stat, which they clearly made up. And then it says, who's next? And Kara, who is next? I feel like you know all of us. All of us. All of us? Yes. Great. Okay.

Do you have a list of the people that you're brainwashing with your magic? You have to tell us. Do you wing it? Do you wing it? All of the people, I think. Okay. Yeah, we're all susceptible. And then we get a news montage of little like half half second clips with scary science words about mental health

and like seepia tone people to be scary again, but it's just people doing nice things like taking a walk with their dog and shit, mid no sense. Yeah, it's literally like they're trying to be earnest, but it reads like Charlie Brooker's news wipe. Like do you guys remember that? He taught like how to report the news. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's like a satire.

This whole documentary is satire. It really, it does feel like a sketch. It's not a big hit. It is, but they're really trying. They're really waiting for the volcano aliens punchline. And you don't get it. They really believe in volcano demons and they're going to shut the fuck up about it.

But they really do. Don't forget that throughout. We're disproving other people's beliefs today. Yeah, they're probably people. So that stupid montage cuts out and we get the word psychiatry with several actual death nail tones in the music in this moment. I love that it goes a little too long because it's like, bang, bang. And the expert starts to speak and it's like, bang again. So stupid. So this is where we're going to

get introduced to their like wall of talking heads. And at the beginning of the movie, I did like a bunch of research on everyone who came up because every person was more crazy and insane than the last. I have one single note about this scene and I was like stupid talking heads. And Eli went insane and looked up every single one. And yeah, they are all wrong. So Eli, do you have any? Anyone's a particular you want to talk about?

Okay, we've got some wonderful horribles here that I do have to mention because they're going to come up a lot and I love them very much. So first is Dr. Jeffrey Schaller, who professionally writes books in defense of other white guys who have bad tanks. Oh no. Like that is his job is to write books that are that it's a series called like in defense of blank. And it's just him defending another white guy's bad tank. And fun fact, he's also an existential therapist. So he's basically

the same as Kara. I mean, it is true that I am an existential psychotherapist. That said, I have never heard of this guy. So, yeah, not really much influence there. And may I point out, you lie, that this whole scene is like straight out of the climate denier flat-earther megalodon documentary playbook like absolutely. These are all quote experts and they have like letters before and after their names and it does seem like as you point out a few and you've got more for us a lot of them are You know the one kind of crank expert that they could talk to but later there are legitimate people that they just take wildly out of context. Yeah. So that's fun too.

Well, the thing is this movie will spend the majority of its time. And we'll talk about it just talking about like truly hundreds of years ago history and being like, that's psychiatry for you. So they did manage to trick a few like historians and legitimate journalists in who were like, well, I did write a book about the mental asylum of the 14th century. I'm sure this is just a good, good old fashioned documentary, but we're not on them yet. Now, we're on Dr. Thomas Sazaz. Yeah, he's all over this thing.

Oh, yeah, I'm pretty sure this dude had this name just so you couldn't Google him and his opinions. He is huge in the anti-psychiatry world. If you spent any time in the anti-psychiatry, loony circles of the internet, you will hear from this guy constantly. He did not believe that mental illnesses existed at all. In the early writings, he said that most of the people who are mentally ill are malingerers or faking it so that they don't have to work and can have drugs. early writings, he said that most of the people who are mentally ill are malingerers. Oh no.

We're faking it so that they don't have to work and can have drugs, but that wasn't super popular. So he changed his arguments to be that mental illness can't be an illness because it's not there in the body. Oh yeah, we come back around to this a lot. Yeah, we'll talk about that later. Isn't our face part of our body? I feel like that counts, right? The whole inside area of face, right? Mm-hmm. But my favorite part, my favorite Sizzas fun fact, and I love to bring this up to anti-psychiatry loons, is the doctor Sizzas

killed himself and so did his wife, which I know suicide isn't funny, but for a guy who was like, nobody needs psychiatry. And then he and his wife both killed themselves. And the defenders of Susanne's work will be like, yeah, but he always said he was going to kill himself someday. So mental illness, you know, he called, I feel like he was faking it for attention. Right. Wow. That's so fucked. Yeah, we're gonna meet one other expert here who I love, Dr. Mark Filaday. And I'm actually gonna let him introduce himself

from his bio on amenclinics.com. Dr. Filaday's approach is to find the root cause of a person's health problems, including metabolic, genetic, and environmental factors, and to treat those problems in as natural a way as possible by using targeted nutritional supplements, correcting hormone and metabolic imbalances, improving lifestyle and diet, and detecting and treating toxin exposure and infections like mold and lime disease. No.

Yikes. So that's the level of talent we're working with here in the psychiatry industry of documentary. Tip of the iceberg. Does anybody know who actually narrated this documentary? Because it sounds like a parody of the guy who does all of the movie from us. Yes, it sounds like a parody of the voice guy for sure. It's like, it'll work. Yeah.

Yeah. Where people fake mental, you know, that guy imitator on Fiverr. Yes. A little bit, let's get ready to rumble guy too. A little bit of the, yeah, Bruce Buffer thing. Okay, so we got a bunch of talking heads. You heard about a few of them. We'll get a bunch more.

And then we get testimonials from people who got diagnosed with different things, which is evil according to the movie. And it's just showing people who like got a diagnosis. Yeah. So again, the point that they're trying to make here is that if a doctor doesn't get the complex diagnosis of mental illness, many of which are layered and complex on their very first try, that entire field of medicine isn't real. Right, right. And they try to make that point by basically doing that ultra-snipity extra-edited out of context kind of thing.

Like, did you guys feel like this whole first section of the film was like those old promos for madmen? Do you remember those? Next time on mad men in the history of death, he said, I said, what did I say? I didn't say. He said, did he say that? Like, what are my watching? Nobody's saying anything.

One guy actually says, I think this is the exact quote. There's not one shred of evidence demonstrating that anything called mental illness is a brain disease or a biochemical imbalance. It's all fraud. That sounds wrong to me. I don't know anything about this, but that I feel like it's not wrong. It's wrong. Right. And we should point out that this sentence is amazed on purpose. But what he means is there's no proof that mental illnesses are literal diseases of the brain, which they're not, right? Right. Which is not what anybody's claiming they are. They're syndromes. Right. No one ever claimed they're like cirrhosis of the liver, but that's an in idiotic way to understand illness. That would be like saying heart-aridomias

don't exist because there's no specific disease of the heart to point to. Right. Yeah. Like, there's no mental illness because you didn't catch it. Like, I don't understand. We can't see it under a petri dish. And it's so sad because they're having all these kids and parents like crying and talking about how horrible their lives are. They're like capitalizing on this terrible tragedy to pretend that it doesn't exist. But the weird thing is it's all experts. Like throughout this film, it's all a bunch of psychiatrists

who are like psychiatry isn't real. And I'm left asking, what is your job then? Like, what do you do at work? I know I'm so confused. They have a guy come on screen and be like, how do you even evaluate if someone's sick or cured in psychiatry? And again, I don't know I'm talking about, but I was like, I don't know, do your fucking job?

You're a psychiatrist according to the chiron. So weird. Yeah. So weird. Also, this is where they claim one billion people are mentally ill. One. So, billion. So, like, 12.5% of people in the world, which, I don't know, it seemed low to me or

I don't know what they were trying to say, whether that was too low for them or too high. Later they say 450 million, like multiple times, so. Yeah, that's different number. Okay. They do change their answer. But half, but sure. They also say that people are taking way more drugs now. And now that there are drugs. That made so good.

Thank you. I don't know what I'm talking about, but I was like, didn't we get more medicine? And then we would then have more people taking it because of the medicine. Yeah. So yeah, okay, confirmed. Also, they don't put like a time frame to

the more people are taking drugs. They're just like a hundred million more people are taking drugs. And I'm like, then the beginning of time when we chewed on the bark of trees, I mean, yeah, man. Yeah, then we get a really sad like parents crying about sad things that happen to their kids montage. They do this in all these documentary things. Yeah. One guy stood out to me. He claimed that he was paying $2,500 a month for his kids riddlein'. One kid.

That's a lot. I feel like that's high, right? That's like impossible. Or the kid was telling him a really good lie and like takin' the cash and doin' somethin' else. Well, like he was literally buying it on the street. Like he was like street prices for Vittalin. Like one pill at a time.

And look, my heart definitely goes out to people who have had like bad experiences by psychiatry, right? People who've had bad experiences with any kind of doctor, but when you use the experiences of those people to promote dangerous pseudocyan. You're actually doing something significantly worse than being empathetic to those people, right? Using those people as puppets for your cult about alien volcanoes is way worse than like not

being necessarily super sympathetic to the $2,500 a second you had to spend on ridlin. Thank you. Every like 15 minutes, if I don't mention volcano demons myself, can one of you make sure we like mention that to get in there. Yeah, yeah, no, we'll do it. Well, D&D, minor style. And there's just one talking head I have to mention in this section, because they're all so good. But I do want to talk about Kelly. Oh, Miria, she writes for the Washington Times. That's the right wing newspaper that is not the Washington Post to be here. She writes about how Ridley and causes school shootings. And she got fired as a congressional aide for being a TWA 800 truth or betracks. Remember when

that playing crashed? Yeah. She didn't she doesn't believe in that. Wait, how many of these experts do you think are also scientists? Oh, almost none of them because they introduced all the scientists at the end, almost none of them are scientists. Oh, these people were just tricked or willing to say something that they know. Right. They're just other types of loons. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Match made in heaven. Okay. So now they're going to tell us a little bit more about the scope of the problem. According to the movie, in the last 40 years, twice as many Americans died in psychiatric hospitals, then all the soldiers in every battle since 1776. Oh, I feel like that's wrong. Did anyone fact check any of this? Oh, I absolutely fat. There's the problem.

They've just made this shit up. So every time I Google it, Google was like, I don't know what you're talking about, right? At best, Google would be like, do you want to watch that Scientology documentary you keep talking about? Or it's just like, nope, I got nothing for you. Also, it doesn't matter. They try to make it sound impactful, but that's just two stats that don't relate. And like, they're both big numbers. It doesn't matter. Right. And I have to point out that they go from, they've killed all the people and wars combined.

Plus, it's driving up your health insurance premiums. That is the exact next sentence after killing all the people in all the wars combined. And then we get this argument and we could talk about this one later because they just sort of tease it here. They end it with, and of course, they've never cured anything. Okay. Because they don't like, you don't get better from mental illnesses. Okay. Also, the insurance premiums go up. So I was like, okay. So we should have socialized medicine. Is this right? That's all I could like a movie that's going to advocate for socialize. No, a fucking course. Not oh, he they don't give any solutions to any of these.

Well, yeah, he's not even a catodemons. They don't even they don't even mention their magic. I was so mad. No. Okay. So from there, we get more death, nail sound effects and we get some stock footage of old timey asylums. And that's going to be a big point that they're going to make for a while. Is that like old timey psychiatry had bad stuff happen and we're watching like a speed run of a Batman game in Arkham Asylum. And that's supposed to make a point that now psychiatry is bad to be clear what they're going to do.

And they're going to spend a lot of this movie doing it, is they're going to go so far back in history that it is historically classified as pre-medicinal care and be like, that's psychiatry, that's what that is. Yeah, they're literally talking about religion, not science, like at this point. Like this is the treatment for demons. Yeah, right. The guy who narrates this part about religion, not science. Like, this is the treatment for demons. Yeah, right.

The guy who narrates this part about like, oh, the mad houses and the punishment and it was so bad, is Dr. Lee Coleman, he's an anti-psychiatry nut bag as well. But my favorite thing about him is that on his website, https, Coleman.nightfalkin.com, no, it is not spelled the way you think. You don't have to say HTTPS people know on his website on the worldwide web. You know, on the world wide web Coleman dot night Falcon dot com

please appreciate that this guy's website is fucking night count night. I do appreciate that. You can learn about how psychiatry is destroying America and you can also view his extensive collection of indigenous crafts. What? On his website? His website is like, psychiatry is the devil. They're destroying our children's minds. My wife and I bought this rug at a yard sale in 1992.

And you'll see that, and the thing is really beautiful here on the edge. It's the best. Wow. You went deep on this man. You're like, so many pages for these people. Yes. Okay. But this is where we learned for the first time that all psychiatrists are in it for

the money. And I wrote my notes, ooh, Kara, you're in it for the money, aren't you? And I responded. My internship in fucking Florida is paying me $24,000 for a year of full-time work. I'm working two thousand hours for 24th. Yes, I'm clearly in it for the money. So you're bartending down there, mostly? That's really bad.

That's really bad. Right. But yeah, they're just mentioning bad stuff from history, literally from the 1800s. They mentioned a bunch of terrible psychiatrists. They talk about bloodletting and leeches. I don't understand how any of this point is helpful. Like in the history of math, we didn't know about zero for a long time. We're not canceling math as a discipline that's insane. And also like the bloodletting argument is, is like a point against them. Like we didn't stop doing modern medicine because we used to bloodlet.

Right. Yep. We improved it. We stopped doing it because of the scientific method, not because of the book. Edimans. Right. Unlike, I was going to say unlike Scientology, which if you follow the teaching of Scientology

1,000 years from now, we'll still have you holding robot Dixon talking about your bad memory. Yeah. So now we're going to learn a little bit more about psychiatry history. Germany in 1879, as it applies to the problem with modern healthcare we learn about

Wilhelm Vunt who said human behavior is chemical reactions in the brain and I was like Correct is it not yet that exactly what I wrote in my notes was, as opposed to the alien souls, the makers of this movie, know them to be, right? Yeah, this whole section is like my history in systems class, except that the professor is on a really bad acid trip. It's like, here is some actual history of the field of psychology, psychiatry, but ooh, scary music. Yeah, exactly. of the field of like psychology, psychiatry, but scary musing.

Yeah, exactly. But we bought this whole haunted house soundtrack, so we're gonna use it, dammit. And I wanna talk about my favorite expert from this section. This would be Charlotte Iserbitt, who again named herself so that you couldn't Google her. Did you just call her Charlotte? Charlotte, I heard Charlotte is better.

I mean, it's Charlotte, but I'm going to go with Charlotte. Charlotte is a bit of a short. A short lit wrote a book that your racist uncle owns called The Dumbing Down of America. And it's a book about how the Andrew Carnegie Foundation is making our kids stupid with drugs on purpose so that socialists can take over the United States. Sorry. Just so you know where a short let's come in from. And to be clear, the the the rabid socialist Andrew Carnegie, the steel rubber bearing.

Yeah. Okay. Got it. And then they like this is where they first drop the soul word and they kind of use this a lot. This is like the one. I don't know. like they like they want all their experts to talk about how psychiatry, I get a mental illness isn't real, but it's just, I don't

I don't know, like corruption of the soul or something. That's their theory. Yeah, they say this evil German guy said we don't have souls and they're mad about that. And then they mentioned Nietzsche, yeah, right. With no context, by the way, they're just like, God is dead. Boo. They always offer that Nietzsche quote out of context, like Nietzsche found God dead in an amongest game. And they're, oh my God, there's been a murder with the rope in the kitchen. Relax.

Yeah. Okay, I don't want to get to just tracking his movies full of bullshit, but can we talk about how the fact that they talk about Pavlov for a second? And they're like, that guy, mean to dogs. He did the bells and children apparently. Remember the bells with the also kids. Kids, yeah, hard to tell. This is where they bring up BF Skinner too.

Yes. Mean to a skid. Yeah. Skinner box. Yeah. And they bring up the Skinner box. Yeah. And they, they free of the skinner box. And it's supposed to be scary. And they're like, he put his kid in this and we're watching it. And I was like super fun room with lights and stuff. Yep. Okay. That seems fine. I guess

they claim that BF Skinner put his daughter in a box for 11 months. That doesn't sound right. Now to be clear, the experiment that he conducted on his infant daughter did last just over 11 months. Okay, not 24 seven in a box. Not 24 seven. In fact, minutes at a time is how long that experiment lasted. Okay. This is the fun box, whatever.

So I mean, again, it's still not cool. Still not cool, but again. It's more fun than what he's parents did to him. He will love to Skinnerbox. Are you kidding? Oh, baby, he would have loved to Skinnerbox. Yeah. And they keep making the same argument in the section that like, they're equating people

with animals of the human kind, because we are animals. Yes, I wrote in my notes, it's a sub, you know what, it doesn't matter, it's fine. So many things that they point out here, I was like, but we are though. And then like the next thing they said was like, BF Skinner said, you can affect human behavior with rewards. And I was like, you can though, right?

You know, we don't have souls though, that's right. Everybody's right so far. What are you talking about? I'm sure you could come up with something evil. Yes, they can. The Nazis. That's the next section. Oh, we're going to take a hard turn from Pavlov.

We're going to take a very hard turn from bells and dogs to the Holocaust. So according to the movie, everything which is turned laid the groundwork for something that killed millions. And I was like, there's no way they're going to do it. And then they show us World War Two footage. And I was like, okay, they're saying psychiatry. The concept is the reason for the Holocaust. Yeah, as a joke. I wrote that in my notes as a joke. Two seconds later in a movie. Yes. Psychiatry. The men behind the Holocaust comes across a real title card from my movie. Yes, psychiatry, the men behind the Holocaust, a real title card from this movie. Wow, made me so happy. So gross too, because they open it with just like gratuitous images of Holocaust victims, like cool, what are you doing? And yes, to be

fair, I want to be like 100% clear about this. Psychology, psychiatry, whatever, mental health, but especially actually psychology, their relationship to eugenics is fucking horrible, and it is real. Yeah. Like there's a real relationship, a lot of the most famous psychologists, but especially it's mostly statisticians,

like the quantitative IQ obsessed psychologists, were like really into eugenics. Oh, okay. And Cara, this is important because the movie seems to forget this, IQ obsessed psychologists were like really into eugenics. Okay. And Cara, this is important because the movie seems to forget this. Is that still true? Are the famous psychologists of today? Thank you, Genesis. You taking your genics. How much eugenics did you have to study? How much you're getting into getting your degree

to your bathroom? Yeah. Right. I mean, we do learn about it so that we can like see how fucking horrible it was. They talk later. And I'm sorry, I'm going to like, so a lot. You're saying you study. I'm going to spoil this a little bit, but later they talk about Charles Murray and the bell curve as if we're all reading that book and like, like, one, oh, one. It's so stupid. You did, you did or did not read that in psych? Did not read that book. Okay. Well, did you ever gift it to Heath as a joke

and then he had to open his bag in an airport and you got to watch a African American TWA agent pull out the book and he like, Oh, damn it. This is that book about how I'm naturally dumber than you. And he was like, joke, kiss, ironically, I packed it into my bag. Why would I pack that?

Joke is joker. My God, that's amazing. Somebody really gave me that book and that all really happened. It was, wait, did the TSA agent actually say that? No, no, not, not those words, but the TSA agent saw this all happen. Yeah, I said it. Yeah, yeah. So, okay, before we get too deep into the Nazi shit, because I know we're going to spend

a lot of time on the Nazi shit here. You sound just like the makers of this movie. They look like a psychologist. Yeah. They literally say, eugenics, the sterilization and murder of people with mental illness. And like, yes, that's part of it. And yes, that is like horrible. But I don't know about you.

I think when people are mentally ill, they deserve treatment, not you, Xenix, but it sounds like the makers of this movie can't really decide one way or the other. That's the funny thing about this moment is that they're like, look, we all understand why you wanna cut the balls off of someone who has depression. We get it. No one wants them spreading around their goop,

but they did it racistly. Were the good guys? And right,, but they did it racistly. We're the good guys. Right, it makes no sense. And the whole time you're just like, so what would you recommend? volcano demon say it. volcano demon. volcano demon.

It's so insane. Okay, here's the last thing I'll say about this. The whole documentary is like, we could do good journalism, like, propaganda. We could draw attention to abuses of power within this field. Like, we did all the good journalism, like, pro-publica. We could draw attention to abuses of power within this field. Like, we did all the good research for that,

but instead, we're just gonna pretend like the whole field is like this, so we can scare vulnerable people into going to church and giving us what little money they've managed to earn or keeping a society that only values labor and fuses to admit that some people are too mentally ill to, quote, contribute from a capitalist standpoint. Like, they could do that, but instead,

they're just like, boity boogity scary doctors. Exactly. But Kara, is it or is it not true that 40% of German psychiatrists joined the SS? What percentage of German people in positions of power did join the SS? Yeah, which people joined the army of the country they live in during the world war. Also, not yet, Nazis did a bunch of bad stuff in all different fields. Who is the heavy arguing against? Also, why do they know those people that they're apparently arguing against? It's weird. You're so right. I actually wrote my notes pretty much every German industry was bent to the will of the Nazi party might as well say that the dark agenda of the cobbler is to make it so Nazis don't get out cheese on their featsies on their way to mass murder 11% of the cobbler's joined the

proof that shoes are big Nazi. are big Nazi. They also, and you got to love the irony of this, they like, they use their training in psychiatry to make propaganda films that I wrote in my notes. Oh, really, psychiatry and industry of death, are we coming out against propaganda films now? Yeah. So the whole point of the section is Nazi scientists are bad. So we should get rid of the science part. That's what the movie's saying. Yeah, so stupid. And they make a claim, look, I want to call myself out for who I am.

They make a claim that I'm going to go ahead and call Bosnicki in here and say that the Nuremberg trials were originally supposed to be about all of psychiatry. But then they were like, no, no, let's do the camp guards instead. I did. The original plan was to condemn psychiatry for the final solution. Hey, Moss, I hear what you're saying. Can we just focus on the Naziism and like that one guy who raised his hand, finally got it switched.

That's what happened. You know, that does make the pile of people a lot smaller. They literally said it at Nuremberg, Americans, by the way, they blame the Americans, quote, shifted the blame away from the psychiatrist to the Nazis. They said that as if like left to their own devices without Hitler, all the psychiatrists would have just like dreamed up the Nazis. They said that. As if like, left to their own devices without Hitler, all the psychiatrist would have just like dreamed up the Holocaust on their own. So yeah, apparently today the Proud Boys are a direct consequence of psychiatry.

So psychiatry, yeah, no, they're all psychiatry. That is correct. They actually make that claim. Yeah. When I look at those young men who make themselves say cereal will punch each other and name themselves after a failed Aladdin song. I think of the medical profession of psychiatry. I think of

them trying to tear that anti-facine and not being able to. You know why? Because that's your anti-depressant. That is my pornography right there. I love that video so much. Do it for your proud boys. You'll get it. You'll just, you just gotta get it started. He's trying so hard. You can't rip it. Okay, but okay, seriously though, the next segment here is called psychiatry creating racism.

It currently racism started in the 18 hundreds, maybe the 1700s, with psychiatry. Literal quote, racism is inseparable from the roots of psychiatry. And they're going to go with two things here. They're going to go with eugenics, which again, they just covered earlier. So they're going to say eugenics about black people now, but this is my favorite part. They're also just going to list a bunch of racist psychiatrists. Yeah.

Right, family like psychiatrists. We're clan members. Some of them. Yep. So I kept writing jokes being like, all right, what are they gonna say next? Like psychiatry invented the original, and they literally say that apparently.

They did. His guy Benjamin rush invented a different and were but like they claim it's like kind of the original and word and he's a psychiatrist. It's insane. I kept writing stuff in the movies like no, but seriously, that's what happened like right after it's like the producers don't even realize how ironic it is that they're only interviewing psychologist psychiatrist and like science historians in this film. They're interviewing people who work in this field.

Like at one point they interview this woman, Lisa Kane, a black woman psychologist, and she's just talking about the history of her field. Do they think she's still practicing the things that she's admonishing? Yeah, it's tough. No idea. Because as a black woman,

she has to call people into her office, show the dimples on her skull and then send them along to a white psychiatrist. It's like they think the audience is so stupid. Do you think they told her that the very next segment was going to be about how psychiatry did slavery according to the movie? I feel like they didn't tell her that. Oh, in apartheid. I would, oh my God.

I would love to be at the invited screener of this film, where all the legitimate historians are just like trying to burn their chairs to start a fire. Just wanted to promote my book. They weren't invited. No. The thing is, they aren't good at cause and effect.

Like, it is true that there were a lot, especially during the foundational science of this field, that there were a lot of pretty horrible people who were trying to use legitimate science in an illegitimate way. They were trying to use scientific tools and principles and psychometrics to prove inferiority of black people or to prove superiority of white people.

But like, psychiatry didn't make those people racist. of black people or to prove superiority of white people. But like, psychiatry didn't make those people racist. They were already racist. And then they were like, I'm gonna become a psychologist and I'm gonna use, I'm gonna try and use a legitimate field to push this illegitimate agenda. Like, how are they not seeing that? Like, bigot lawyers did and bigot politicians

like all the journalists and bigot fucking pastors and yeah, yeah, it's insane. Right. But pulmonologists used to think that you got tuberculosis because it was genetic and your mom maybe had an affair. We're not like, I'm sorry, I just can't trust the roots of pulmonology. No, we're like, okay, they figured that out Yeah, and they booted all those assholes right yeah, come on seriously at this point in my notes I was like all right, what else are they gonna do? I wrote down psychiatry did COVID just to test To see if they do everything I write That you know they actually don't hit COVID, but I think it's a movie was made, but also this movie was made. Yeah, the movie is made in 2006. So I'm pretty sure the sequel

is going to say psychiatry did COVID for sure. I'm just putting a chip down on that for sure. Yeah. Okay, so from there, we get one little specific story about Dr. Lewis, Jolly West, this guy who worked at UCLA among other places, he was professor there, he's a psychiatrist, and it says he put electrodes in the brains of black people to like cure them of in his head, the being black because he was a racist, yeah. And to be fair, Lewis, Jolly West, he did suck. He was a sucky guy. A lot of this movie is just them being like, here's a sucky guy and me being like, yeah, there's a sucky guy and them being like,

he represents a medical field and I'm like, nah, it's not how it works. Nope. Don't do because these guys, you're really bad. As soon as you say because everything after, usually wrong. Like, Carriage has told you, don't do cost effect. And then again, they relate this to the bell curve. Sorry, I just have to mention one of

the thing about Dr. Lewis West. I looked it up just because I was like, for one time, I was like, I'm checking one of the things they said. So yeah, apparently he was terrible. But Scientology was in a giant feud with that guy because he called them a cult on national television and exposed their giant campaign of intimidation that they did to him and this other person who wrote a book about them in the 70s. They're horrible. And they got exposed by him.

That's why he got his own section. And that's why, yeah, he owns his own segment. Yeah. You guys think we'll be in the sequel because of our podcast. I hope so. Yeah. Yeah. And then they do, of course, the bell curve.

They're going to talk about the bell curve for a sentence. How do you guys think that like the intellectual dark web liver Terry and types and the Scientologists like square this circle together? It's weird, right? That would be a weird ally with a hammer and they tried it. It was like just all this like cognitive dissidents going on in them. I don't know. Yeah. Well, the nice to do it. It's like just all this cognitive dissonance going on in them. I don't know. Yeah. Well, the nice thing about being wrong is that you can all agree to disagree with mainstream truth, right?

As long as you're not talking about the thing that's true, you're getting along. Also, Cara, I just wanted to check because I'll make sure, is everyone in mainstream psychiatry like super nice to Douglas Murray and the bell curve? Well, again, I'm not a psychiatrist and I've never taken a psychiatry, like super nice to Douglas Murray and the bell curve. They're like, love. Well, again, I'm not a psychiatrist and I've never taken a psychiatry course in my life because I did not go to medical school. But in psychology, no, absolutely not. You're lucky actually if you go to a progressive, like I go to a very progressive social justice

oriented university. And so everything we do in my university is through the lens of a sort of like anti-racism lens. And so we learn about those kinds of things in order. Is that legal in Florida? I don't think that's allowed. I go to school in Florida. Okay, I go to school in California. I'm on internship in Florida. Internship. You're a good worker. I work in Florida. Yeah. It's like when they send teenagers to the Congo. Yes, it is very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, is that in the schools that are less progressive, they just kind of ignore this shit.

Okay. Like, they don't want to own it. They just pretend it didn't happen. And in the progressive schools, we do learn about this, but we don't learn about it. Like, here, here, the bell curve. It's only a tips and tricks section. And by the way, if any of your patients are Schmerfmer's, don't even, don't even bother. Okay.

Let me check this podcast. There's luggage. Okay. That's all. Okay. So psychology is real. Psychiatry is fake. That's what we just did.

Oh, stop. That's what we're figuring out. Yes. Also just to recap from the movie, psychiatry did slavery. Uh huh. Psychiatry did the Holocaust and it did racist and misgenital concept. They started it. Yeah. Yeah. it, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Last on pack. So we're going to need a quick break. And then we'll be back to tell you all about all the other stuff that Carat did in Act 2 of psychiatry, an industry of death. Okay. Carat, you ready for our Metri on plug?

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Psychiatry did fascist communism. And that I think is the point they're making in this segment. Yes. I love this because this movie was like, okay, wait a minute. What if I'm kind of a Nazi and I hate communists and the movie is like, oh, don't worry, we can blame them too. That's how lying works. Yep.

That actually makes sense, Eli, because I was wondering like how they chose the order of events for this film. Yeah. Yeah, they're just going through your various bigotrys until they hit on the one that you're upset about. Right. I guess that's a good system. So yeah, they mentioned how the Soviet government would throw dissidents into psychiatric hospitals, which is true. And they also have, it was so weird. They had a visual aid for like the calling the secret police moment. They'd like show us a dial phone. And I was like, yeah, I think we all got it. We got it. We know phones. We got it.

That was bad. Also, nobody's arguing with you. Also, just curious because if it was a government thing that did this, is the movie-positing that governments are bad and we shouldn't have any governments, because I know if things used to be a bad thing, they're always a bad thing. I just want to know where they sort of draw the line there. Should we have organization of any kind? Maybe it's all about entropy. Yeah. We'll only do the things that have totally pure origins, like Scientology that completely unproblematic.

Yeah. They show us one guy who says he got arrested by the KGB or whatever. And he's like, yeah, I laughed in their face and they sent me to a mental hospital. I was like, yeah, okay, I disagree with most of this movie, but don't burst out laughing at the KGB. I feel like that's your fault, right? Yeah, to know. That was coming. And then they treated him with drugs that are anti-capitalists. Like, yes, they do. Yeah. And I was back on board with the movie. Yeah. Like, what were these secret drugs? Tell me more about them. What drugs that? I mean,

I worked pot worked for me kind of, yeah, for part of my life. Can confirm lots of the socialists I know are on Lexa, bro. Coincidence. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And then at the end, did you guys catch this at the end of this section, they were like, they repackaged it and sold it to the public as therapy. What communism? They repackaged it. What was repackaged there? What they were referring to?

The torture of dissidents during a communist Russia. Yeah. Okay. All right. Do you guys remember your first therapy session where you like lie on the couch and he waterboards you? It's just me okay. Well, they do mention getmo here Eli and they're like yeah, so Stalin was bad. So was getmo again, no idea who they're arguing with, but that's part of their point here too.

Right. What's great is they go and of course, there were psychiatrists at getmo and then they show the human rights abuses at getmo like the psychiatrist were like, you should put that guy in a weird triangle hat thing. I think that might really help for our God. Yeah. So from there, we learned about that time in the 1920s when somebody was like, hey, what if we damaged the brain more to fix it? So they rewind in the history of psychiatry again, something bad happened in the 1920s.

They came up with a bad idea where they would mess up your brain to try to fix it. But this was also a weird thing where they, it's like the one time in the movie they didn't link it to earlier history. Like this is not new in the 1920s. Right. didn't link it to earlier history. Like this is not new in the 1920s. Like these were old things that, like that was surgery before to treat mental illness. Yeah, it was just medicine at the time. Yeah.

I just have to point out that the talking head for this is Dr. John Friedberg. And look, I was gonna point out that he's an anti-psychiatry nut. You have to be a picture. He has since passed away. And I, I put the photo they chose for his obituary into our notes. It is him and his Yorkie wearing matching tuxedos. So this man is a gentleman in a scholar and I agree with everything he ever said. It's like you put John Oliver died into chat GPT. Yeah. Yeah.

You know that Eli is going to mimic the same photo for his 100% with a plug. I have very explicit instructions in my will not to ever do like a yearbook page or a charity or any of that stupid stuff when I die, but I would like someone to Photoshop me into this picture and release it as my obituary. Please, that is my only request. I've changed got it. Is the Yorkie wearing a top hat? Sure is. Obviously, because he's a gentleman, Kara. You're right. He fancy. He fancy. He's glad. He's clearly fancy. Kara, there are pies the Yorkie. He, you're the Yorkie. Okay. There are pies is not a verb. I don't.

There's a prize me. Room. Keeps already in character, Cara. Keep the fuck up. Boom. Too slow. It's a clear. Psychiatry's fake.

Shut up. No, it's understanding. You know what I do for a living. The Yorkies gate. You blew your opportunity and now the Yorkies gang. We asked you for help. The Yorkie looks like he's in a tiny orchestra. He is. Yeah. You gentlemen. He maestro. Okay. I have a serious question about this little

section. They mentioned that some doctor, some psychiatrist came up the idea that he would like give people epilepsy or some disease to cancel out schizophrenia or some other disease. Have we ever actually done that successfully where we like just beat one with the other and they cancel out or something? No? Okay. It's out, I know, it sounded crazy, but I don't know. It felt like maybe it was.

It does feel right though. Yeah. No, like they're, I mean, okay. So like historically, there were treatments for certain, I think they would have been infections where they like induce a really brutal fever. Okay. Like you guys have seen this like fever there. Like there have been times when like we didn't have the appropriate medicine. So we tried to kind of kick the body into producing its own medicine. Basically like get the immune system do what it needs to do to fight the thing off.

I think that's probably the closest thing that we have in actually. Carried with vaccine conspiracist, got it. Ooh, yeah, absolutely. I also love that the drug that they try to demonize here is metrosol, which I looked up and it's just an antibiotic. It is, I know I was very confused by this. It's like an antibiotic. Is is. I know I was very confused by this. It's like it's an antibiotic.

Is this movie anti-biotic? It's a biotic movie. It's a biotic movie. It's a biotic movie. This is a pro. Pro infectious disease. It's a strange, but he's thing to bring up. Yeah.

Are any psychiatry practices based on pig torture? Great question. Yes. And where do you think that happened? Eli, if you had to guess, where would that have originated? Perhaps. No, I see Germany. Really close.

I believe it was Nazi Italy. Oh, the fascists. Oh, the fascists. We're going to learn about more old-timey stuff that didn't work. But this time, to actually name two things I think that do work sometimes ECT electrode convales therapy and Lobotomies they're both kind of extreme, but they're real and they do work

So yeah, I think the thing is they don't call it ECT They call a shock therapy because they're referring to like the older version and lobotomies We don't do but we will do certain types of resections when necessary. Right. Brain surgery. Yeah. Like brain brain and brain and it can work if you're good at it.

So they're claiming that if you just indiscriminately shock people's brains or you go in with an ice pick through the eyeball, like that's bad. And we agree. Yeah. That's bad. No, I wasn't going to ask you about that. I know. Also, yeah. We obviously agree on that. They go over it really quickly because they don't want you to Google ECT. But yes, early electroshock therapy, like very, very, early electroshock therapy, definitely had terrible side effects. Modern ECT sounds scary, but it literally saves people's lives, including mine. Are you enjoying this podcast podcast? Listen, are you enjoying the fact that I am alive on it? Well, we have ECT among other medical treatments to thank

for that. And I can confirm that I went sleepy by and woke up feeling way less incurably depressed. I'm amazed. I highly recommend how many how many you see T. I mean, are you comfortable talking about how many times did you do it? Just the once. Okay. And did you have memory loss? Because that's like the biggest side effect now of ECT.

No, you didn't even have memory loss. If I do, I don't remember. No, you know, sometimes it's not just for the event. It's for like time leading up to the event. Okay. Now, okay. Interesting. Because that relies in on the scam.

I'm in on the scam. I'm on big psychiatry side here to tell you about this life-saving medical treatment that completely changed my life when I was told I had incredible depression. So you take that money, but you podcast anyway as like the perfect cover. Right. Exactly. But on the other hand, the people who believe in giving robot hand jobs are pretty sure it's like the 1920s. So, you know, it's infuriating. It's like they're equating frontal lobotomies. Like, you know, like the thing we don't do anymore with a modern temporal

lobe resection for epilepsy or something like that. Like absolutely are equating that. Yes. For brain surgery. Yeah, like brain surgery to save people's lives. Yeah. And to give them some amount of quality of life. Okay.

And they say that. They say, they say like, oh, they used to call it lobotomies. And now they call it brain surgery in the right minute. Wow. Coming out anti brain surgery. Also back when they did lobotomies, they also had brain surgery. Like what? They do, they do show us the guy with the lobotomobile.

And I think we need to mention that quickly. Yeah, that guy sucked. So yeah, apparently some bad guy had traveling really bad lobotomy service out of his car and he wrote lobotomy on it and he went around and they show videos of this guy just like going to town with like a fork and a knife into people's faces. Yeah, that's it. You're saying, Karen, you're saying that's different than modern. You're saying that's different than how they do it now.

Yeah. You don't have a lobotomy. No, I've not, I've not seen a lobotomy. Karen told me she's buying a custom lobotomobile to go. Oh, I knew it. I knew it. Off the air. I wondered why she wanted all those high powered lasers for Amazon.com, but you know,

I just want to ask, I figured it was a hair removal thing. I wanted to be a good friend. Hair removal. What do you want to say, Eli? It's a whole look. I prefer. Never mind. I do know what to say, Eli? The whole look, I prefer. I do know what's in no way. No, finish your thought, you like, I prefer. Nope. No, I'm going to think of a good joke that can go on

the podcast. You'll see. Did I mention that he's the gay Yorkie and you didn't care. It's happening. So if you notice back back back in the movie back to the movie, back to the movie. They keep pointing out single do like individual dudes who did horrible shit instead of like describing what the entire field does. And then they overlay it with this awful narrative of like society shutting down their evil ways and then them coming up with new ways to do evil. Like they keep saying that over and over.

Like, and then they were told they couldn't do LeBonvier, but they came up with the next best thing. And you're like, no. Like they improved the medicine and they made it safer and they made it less invasive. That's what they did. Right. Okay. Well, interesting.

You said that because in the early 1950s, apparently psychiatry, like all of it, just psychiatry figured out the next miracle cure after the shock therapy in the lobotomies. And it made people into patients for life. And I think Caragest told us it's called medicine. It's part of the scam. Medicine, medicine. Yeah. And now they have a section about how medicine and they only talk about Thorazine. Yes. It's called medicine. It's part of the scam. Medicine, medicine.

Yeah, and now they have a section about how medicine, and they only talk about thorazine. Yes, yeah, and they're right. That's the only medicine that exists this thorazine. To send an in from medicine in this movie is thorazine. They've decided to villainize thorazine. And look, I don't want to bore our listeners with the entire history of medicine,

but like, thorizine as medical intervention is a little like making a movie where you're like, and then they started poisoning people with chemotherapy. Yeah. Yeah. Chemical. Like what has to be understood in the context is first of all, Thorizine is a very strong anti-psychotic. It also like represses a lot of violent behavior. It's a sedative, and it does have some pretty major side effects. Wait, by the way, though, by the way, before you even get to that, it's also an anti-embedic, so it helps people not vomit, which is usually important. And it treats tetanus. They discovered it because it treats the infection that causes tetanus. Like this is amazing. It has so many uses.

But more importantly, it also was the first time in history, or at least one of the first times in history, that you could give someone medicine in psychosis and not have to hold them down or tie them down. You know why a bunch of old photos or guys like all tied up with levered straps and shit? It's because they didn't have Thorazine. Exactly.

Like, yes, Thorazine has a side effect. Long term use has a side effect of Tarte of Diskinesia, which is like this type of kind of, Korea. It's a Diskinesia, right? It's like lip smacking behavior and like these tick kind of behaviors. And it is horrible and it can be really debilitating. But you know what's like more debilitating? Paranoid schizophrenia.

Violent schizophrenia. Yeah, and that's the thing, like, like drugs have side effects. When you take a pill, it doesn't just go to the place you want it to go. It goes into your whole body and it binds to all the receptors that it fits on. Some of those are the receptors you're trying to reach

and some of them are other receptors you don't want it to reach. And that's why it gives you Tart of Diskinesia. And they actually use a clip from a like news, like a 60 minute segment or a news segment about how much Thorizine has helped a patient. Yeah. Right. Hey, look at this guy.

He used to be a violent psychotic and now he's got this little twitch and the guy with the twitch is like, yeah, this fucking rules. You know, I got a job and shit now. Drangle everybody. They literally say he has a job and is a member of society. And this movie is like, yeah, but he probably would have been fine with it. I don't bother with the before of the Thorazine there. No. But the conclusion of this segment,

the point of this segment is that psychiatrists with the invention of evil Thorazine realized that they were now an industry of drug pusher. Yeah, they literally end this segment with like a quote about how in the future, in the year 2000, so many intractable illnesses might be treated with simple drugs. Moa.

It's like, yeah, that sounds great. Yeah. That's like what we want. That sounds amazing. Indeed. And this is where they transitioned to how the American Psychiatric Association is part of the scam. They're in league with Big Pharma and they have their whole theory about that.

Yes. What all this movie is asking for, okay? All this movie is asking for is some rogue, independent psychiatrist who aren't working with big drugs, okay? Who's up in people making their own microscopes, building a lab in their back at a funeral for a scene? Art, exactly. Getting it from the ground up.

You know, because look, if a medical system is all Interconnected, I think we can all agree. That's a bad thing. Yeah, I don't know what my Medical information, exchanging information. No, I want everyone to be doing their own research on non-funded equipment And then just broad-talking it. Yeah, you know? Give some of that patent medicine, man. Like that's what I'm gonna say. That's what I'm gonna say.

Yeah. I got sent them to the special. Do you guys notice in this? Okay, they brought back Dr. Mark Philadelphia or whatever his name was. Philadelphia. Philadelphia who you did extents of research on. Believe it means Phil eye God technically. Okay. There you go.

But I don't think it's close. In his kairan, it says that he is the director comma medical clinic. Yup. And he would be, by the way, amen medical clinics. I don't know why they didn't choose to use the full names. Amen.

Medical clinic. And then later, later the, the, what do you call him? The narrator. He does like a weird Freudian slip and he says chemical imbalit these Freudian, chemical imbalit. He literally had a literal Freudian slip. He has a word documentary.

Amazing. Oh, yeah. That guy cracked me from wrong. He said chemical imbalance is a hoax. Yeah. Okay. That doesn't sit like. He said it's fraudulent. Yeah. The only way that could be a hoax is if all chemicals are perfectly balanced all the time. I don't even know what that would mean. It sounds wrong. Okay. So there's actually a really good, very readable article about this that I recommend. I'll put it in the show notes. It's called debunking the two chemical imbalance myths.

It really explains the whole history, but here's the chemical imbalance thing. And you hear this from anti-psychwomesters all the time, right? They use this gotcha as like, they told us that they're that all mental illness was caused by a chemical imbalance, but it's not. And the truth is, psychiatrists have never, as an industry said, that mental illness was caused by a chemical imbalance. Yeah. And psychologists definitely haven't said that. Right.

And psychology definitely haven't said that. Nope. What has happened is, and the best comparison for it is that there was a paper written, which proposed this is a possibility. And then a bunch of the marketing companies for SSRIs, these are pharma companies used that language in a lot of their marketing. And some doctors repeated it, even people who worked for the APA repeated it. So the general idea of like, this is a thing that some doctors said has sort of gotten into the zeitgeist. But just as we know that like the placebo effect

isn't true the way layman understand it, right? If you ask layman about the placebo effect, they'll be like, if you give me a sugar pill, it'll cure my cancer because I believe it. It's not true, right? But doctors weren't wrong about the placebo effect. You and I didn't understand, and by that, I mean everyone on the podcast except Kara, you and I didn't understand the placebo effect because we don't have medical tricks. Yeah.

There's a reason doctors are literally not allowed to. It is literally illegal to prescribe a placebo to somebody because it's not medicine. That's how little I know because in my head, it makes like if you can trick somebody into being 10% better by giving them sugar, if you do it for free, you should, right? Shouldn't you be allowed to do that? Right. You'd think there would be a placebo section at your local pharmacy where you could just, yeah, it's called home.

There's a home. Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah. That's true. But again, just to be clear, psychiatry never put forward this theory. So when people are debunking it, this is a really good sign that you're dealing with someone who's acting in bad faith or someone who's been fooled by people acting in bad faith. Right.

Right. So it's the definition of a straw man argument, literally inventing an argument and then nothing is out. And I have to be clear, like I have not done major research. I still have a BFA in pretending to be a pigeon. The way I found the debunking to chemical imbalance myths article is it's the third result on Google when you Google chemical imbalance, not real. So when someone repeats this thing, all the way down to three, like a crazy person though.

Right. But just remember when someone repeats this information to you, it's because they haven't looked at the third Google results about a claim they're making. Okay. Notice that they also make a claim that all psychiatric meds cause acathesia. Yes, they do say that at one point.

Yeah. What is acathesia? It's just the inability to remain still. It's like restlessness, like a movement. Every single one. Yeah, they make that claim. Like I, I, I just, they start shitting on Prozac a lot in this section. Yes. And this is where like I'm like, you know, like my chest is puffing up a little because like Eli, you know, we've discussed our own personal experiences here. I take Prozac every day. Like millions of people also

take Prozac every day. Like millions of people also take Prozac every day. Fluoxity literally saved my life. Yeah, Prozac, I was a Prozac boy for years. Yeah, and I have zero side effects on this Medicaid. Like I don't, I feel when I first took these meds, I was like, oh, this is what most people just feel like all the time. Yeah, that means it's like the perfect medicine, right?

Isn't that what's supposed to happen? For some people, that's the thing. For some people. They point out all these examples where people attempted suicide or homicide and they were also taking pro-zac. They don't in any way look at the intervening variables like, you know, what about their pre-morbid fucking condition? Like how suicidal were they before they started taking pro-sector?

And even in the situations where people did attempt or very, very sadly complete suicide or homicide, it's such a fucking rare side effect of this drug. Like there are high quality metanalyses that show that SSRI specifically, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, may cause an increase, keyword their increase in self-harm and aggression, mostly among children or rarely among adults. Yes. It is a rare and serious side effect like all drugs can have, rare and serious side effects, drugs.

Yeah. You and your doctor work on risk-benefit analysis when you take a drug. Yeah. You and your doctor work on risk benefit analysis when you take a drug. Yeah. The COVID vaccine gives some people heart attacks. Yeah, an Epstein bar, but we don't make dot well. Sorry. I was going to say we shouldn't we don't make documentaries about how the COVID vaccine gives you a heart attack. You said we've done one of those on this channel. You did. Yeah. Yeah. So the whole point is just like, yeah, some,

we don't do the benefit part. We just looked at the risk part. We're not doing the second thing, shut up. And that's it. That's that whole segment. Right. And in this whole film so far, and we're pretty deep into it, they have not yet really ever said

that mental illness is real or really talked about except weirdly, passively, all of the people who have suffered just dramatically and so brutally suffered because of their mental illnesses. They've only showed that in the context of like somebody getting treatment. Right. Well, and again, that's because their bias here is against psychiatry as an industry, right? They want to treat you with fucking niacin and kill you that way and have a whole lot of robotics and prayer or whatever their fucking cure is. But like at one point,

and just to illustrate this example that I love, at one point, they have this lady who's the head of an anti-prozac group come on and she says 500 deaths. And I just wrote my notes, do you want to line your 500 deaths against all the people who are alive because of Prozac this year? I know. Right. Like all the people who never had the option to take Prozac, who died by suicide. Like what the fuck? Yeah. And that again is sort of the silent, unsaid part of this anti-psychiatry bullshit, right? And this is the thing that I always say, right? When I hear these talking points, I would say the same point I say, if you really believe this, do you think

I should stop taking my medication? And you know what? No one ever says, yes. Right. Like, will you be responsible for that decision on my behalf? Like I'd like to hear you say that. Yeah. I'll stop taking all my pills tomorrow. I've never had one of these people ever say, yes, stop taking your pills. They go, well, I know it works for certain people. And I'm like, yeah, it's because it's fucking medicine. All right. Do you know what I usually equate psychotropic intervention, at least with my female clients? And I want to be inclusive. So my female and some of my non-binary and my trans male clients,

well, and my trans female clients actually is birth control. Your key clients. So there are a lot of different birth controls on the market. And they're all like slightly different variations of like estrogens and progesterones. And sometimes you take birth control and it makes you violently ill. Sometimes you take birth control and it makes you violently ill. Sometimes you take birth control and it gives you cramps or it gives you pain or it like just

fucks with you. And other birth controls you take are like miracles. Like you all of a sudden your pain goes away and your pre-menstrual symptoms go away and your period is more regular and blah, blah, blah. But sometimes there's a trial and error period before you find the one that works. That's how psychiatry is because we don't have blood tests for it. We don't have reagent tests, which we will get to. Which they are gleefully point out in this movie.

They're going to freak out about that. They're so excited that you can't fucking stick a swab up your nose and then put three drops onto a little disc and it's like depression. Right, which we can really only do that for like infections. Yeah. Like we can't, obviously. We can't do that for cancer either. Mm-hmm. Like when I was diagnosed with cancer. Cancer's fake.

Yeah, they had to like go inside of my body and remove part of my body and look at it under the microscope to know if I had cancer. Yeah. Like that's how that fucking works. And yeah, we could probably do that for some disorders. and look at it under the microscope to know if I had cancer. Yeah. That's how that fucking works. And yeah, we could probably do that for some disorders. If you wanted us to go in your brain and take a chunk of your brain out and look at it into the microscope, we don't do that.

Make up your mind, movie. Either you want us to take a chunk of your brain or you don't. It's too invasive. All right. rant over. Yeah. Okay. So from there, they switch over to a segment about involuntary commitment and they're complaining

about that. As far as I understand it, that only exists when there's like a physical safety threat or a crime threat, is that correct? Okay. So here's the thing. The old 5150 argument. That's what we call it in California out here. We call it Baker Act and in Florida, different names in different states.

Okay. So they love, in this part, they talk to a doctor, I think, and he's like, when you go to a real doctor, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's not biased at all. No, right. I got a hunch about this guy. Right, he goes, when you go to a real doctor,

and the doctor says you should do this, you can refuse treatment. Okay, so you can refuse psychiatric treatment too, and it's like they conveniently left out that all licensed healthcare providers are both mandated reporters and have a duty to both warn and protect. So legally, legally, I can literally go to jail if someone comes to my office and they say, I'm going to go kill myself now or I'm going to go kill my mom right now. And I'm like, cool, have fun. Like if I don't intervene, I'm found liable. Right, I'd hate to take away your freedoms,

but don't please all your gone dang it. Right, and that's actually happened. There is case law, there are precedents that are set. We will go to jail. I get that it's like the asylum system was terrible, but again, they're not talking about a solution here. I get that it's not fun to commit people against their will and put them on a 72 hour hold.

Nobody wants to do that. And actually, I'm very lucky. My career's been short so far, but so far in my career, every time somebody was at risk of harming themselves or somebody else, I was able to slowly work with them until they realized

that they needed to make the call themselves. And they asked for somebody to come, for like an ambulance to come get them. That sounds like psychiatry or psychology worked right then when you said I did. Right. And again, I just want to speak to my own experience that inpatient therapy saved my life. Right. I walked that inpatient therapy saved my life. I walked in the darkest part of my life. I walked into a hospital and told them I wasn't safe and they kept me safe because I needed that. Right.

What this is proposing is some kind of insane libertarian. I don't have to roll down the car window world where someone could be like, I'm pretty sure my daughter's filled with demons. I'm off to ax murderer and Kara's got to be like, no, no. Right. It's and like they're almost not realizing that the situation that we're in right now is actually what they're proposing we do because we actually used to have more inpatient beds. We had a very broken but exist to have more inpatient beds. We had a very broken but existent asylum system in this country.

And then we got psych meds and we were able to empty them for the most part. And then we sort of never ramped them back up to allow for the number of people that need in patient treatment. So what are we left with? Homelessness. Yeah. That's literally why we have an unhoused crisis because there are people on the street with severe psychiatric conditions who have nowhere to go and they're not getting treatment. But what do they think the solution to this problem is

it's just jail or sleeping under a bridge. And you beat me exactly to the punch because again, the libertarian argument ends with these people in jail where their medical condition gets worse. Oh, I'm sorry, jail. Do you mean like involuntary commitment into a building? Right. No other job. Which you should never have. Right. With huge psychiatric facilities that are underfunded. Cool. Exactly. Our health care system is super broken. Okay. So socialized medicine is the answer to like the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. exactly. Our health care system is super broken. Okay, so socialized medicine is the answer to like the whole thing.

Yeah, like every one of these problems. Yeah, yeah. All right. Also, they mentioned, this is so stupid. They say most of the people getting the medical care, we checked, most of those people had really good medical insurance. Co-insured in. And I was like, that's not interesting at all.

That's exactly what you should expect. No? I'm looking at the numbers here. That's also true for heart surgery. What was this weird story they told about how people went to a spa, but then it turned out it was a mental hospital and they were trapped. Okay, this one had to be made up, right? It was like, you ended up in like a thunder dome of weight loss.

They trapped you in there. I don't know. That one put you in a pack and play with baby heat. Yeah. It just felt like they were at the end of a segment and they were like, also, remember the weight loss jail? Cut. Nobody remembered.

Okay. Hopefully nobody Googles anything I say. I Googled that for so long trying to find it. I got desperate and went to chat GPT and chat GPT was like, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, man. I've read 10% of the internet. I know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

Okay, well, it turns out one of the biggest victims of this whole scam is the entire insurance industry, which is interesting. And I think I'm going to need a quick break to feel really sad for the entire insurance industry. But first, let me get back through the hard sell. Will we get the nuanced opinion of Scientology about Adderall? Where does 9-11 fit in? And where does Slobodan Milosevic fit in? Find out the answers to those questions for real. They really will address that. And some other stuff happens when we return for the Thayton Tastic Conclusion of Psychiatry, an industry of death.

Oh, ma'am, if you'm hurting again. Go to the dentist. Those quacks. Hey guys, what's up? Hey, Carrick. Can you convince Eli to go to the dentist, please? Ew. Eli, why won't you just go to the dentist? Well, Carrick, if you must know, it's because I don't believe in dentistry.

What? Why? Well, my dentist slapped me. Total quack. Why did your dentist slap you? And, and, look at these papers. Did you know that there's no proof that flossing is effective? No, Eli, look, this paper is about potential problems of systematic review. Okay, what about this one that shows that dentists overdiagnose cavities? Look at those numbers,

50%, 50% Kara. Okay, Eli, nobody's saying that there aren't problems with dentistry or that, you know, individual dentists don't sometimes behave badly, but your ability to read the abstract at the top of the study does not make you an expert, and it definitely doesn't make you more knowledgeable than the people who studied this for years and like maintain their licenses through continuing education. Oh, I see what this is. I bet you don't.

He does not see. You hate Jewish people, don't you, Kara? There it is. This is just like the camps. Wait, Heath, why did his dentist slap him? He went in for a kiss. Yeah, that tracks. He leaned first.

He was looking at your teeth, man. We've been over this. There's you. And we're back. And now it's time for another reason psychiatry is fake. They say different things about different stuff the psychiatrists do and sometimes they do that in court. Yes And they catch somebody testifying

Explain this one to me. The claim is like all right. They say one thing But then they say the opposite depending on which side pays them But that would need to happen during the same case for the statement they just made to have any meeting, right? Like, it's things are done on a literal case by case basis. This is just another thing where they're like, it should be inditing the legal system. Instead of inditing the individual psychologist and psychiatrists who are serving as expert witnesses. Yeah. Like this whole movie hates our medical system and our legal system, but can't quite understand

itself. So it's just psychiatrists fall. Yeah. Right. Now it's time for a segment called Inventing Mental Illness. And it's about how diagnosis in psychiatry is fake. And we get, it's so stupid the way they start this. We get a scary montage of diagnosis words, just real quick, just names of things that are very real for a while.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And this is where they explain to us the mental illnesses are made up. They just, they just come up with them as opposed to other illnesses, which of course, introduced themselves to epidemiologists like Charlotte, the spider. It ain't. This is the part where I know that if I were unsuspecting and they had interviewed me for this movie, but not told me what they were interviewing me for, they could take me out of context and put me in this section. And that's scary because what they're doing in this section is they're sort of taking

the kernel of truth of like constructivist philosophy and they're running with it so far till it no longer exists. So yes, diagnoses are constructs. Of course they are. People develop to diagn diagnosis based on observation and based on evidence, but there's no like first principles of depression. Like people had to look at depression

and be like, that seems like a thing based on all of these different components and how do we codify that into a book and make sure that there's a checklist and say, okay, at this point, somebody's diagnosable but before they meet those criteria, they're not diagnosable. They want like a priori,

I can't say so much. It's like insane. Like, I always tell people, and this is a huge part of my practice, labels diagnoses are helpful until they're not anymore. For some people, finding out that you are on the autism spectrum is life-changing. It literally helps you understand yourself and understand how you interact with the world.

But for some people, having a specific diagnosis can be stigmatizing and minimizing. But that has nothing to do with the point they're trying to make, which is that somehow we just made all this stuff up. Yeah. Right. I just kept writing in my notes as opposed to what movie as the answer to the answer. I can't like again, and they're not going to say it because they're cowards. And to show how silly they get with this, they use the fact that the DSM has grown and changed around those definitions as a bad thing, right?

So in the first half of this argument, they're talking about like, they just made up the definitions of these things. Can you believe that? And then they're like, and then they changed the definitions of those things and adapted it for new information. It's like, which of those things do you want them not to do? You do. You do piano stings after both. That's crazy. They added new things to the book. Of course they did. Right. It's like a homosexuality used to be in the DSM. There you go. It did. Yeah. And then they fixed it. We mad at like the field of oncology when they find a new cancer and write it down. I don't understand any of this point. And then they move on to shit all over, I mean, as you mentioned, the DSM in detail. And they're like mad about all of it.

They literally, there's a quote, I don't remember what it is, but it's something like, there's a code for everything. Like they get all obsessive about the fact that the DSM has codes. But these are physicians who are minimizing psychiatry, but talking about real doctors in the same breath. And by the way, the DSM, which is the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders, has 297 disorders in it.

The most recent version, the ICD-10, which is the International Classification of Diseases, the book that has all the diseases in it, has 68,000 codes. Hmm. And I bet they just made them up too. the diseases in it has 68,000 codes. Mmm. And I bet they just made them up too. It's like such a dumb argument. It's an insane, right?

The argument. What number do they want it to be? Oh, they'd be cool with it. Right. The argument is like, if the DSM were accurate, there'd only be seven entries and they'd be perfect for every single person. One for each of Kant's 12 categories.

What the fuck did they, I don't understand. Right, like what do they think is real when it comes to mental illness and what do they think is fake? I don't, they never make that argument, do they? I think they think all of it is fake. Okay. Yeah, sure.

Which is, which is pretty hard to take in, even here. Well, yeah, they're about to get to their whole thing about like, well, you can't measure it with them. You can't measure depression with a ruler. So psychiatry's a lot. The ruler. Yeah. He says they even admit they don't have lab tests for depression.

And we're like, like as if that's not like such an important field that people are actively trying to find bio markers for this shit. Right. Yeah. Like, we wish we had that. Do you know how great it would be if we could figure out in advance what the biological, like, is it a dopamine thing?

Is it a noripinephrine thing or is it more of a serotonin thing or is it a combination of those? Then we would know which drug class to treat with. I wish we had that, but we'd have to go into our brains to find out. Yeah. The movie seems to think that like, psychiatrist don't want it. Right? It's like, no, no. Yeah.

But they accidentally show this like delightful Dutch guy who's psychiatrist. And he's like, yeah, so I speak with people trying to make them better. And the movie's like, fuck you. Double. You're a lady. You made that up. Where's your ruler? Lier. Please, talking?

You can't even turn a Yorkie string. Yeah. And it also completely ignores any of the like, diathesis stress model, right? The biopsychosocial components of mental illness, it assumes that all mental illness is just fundamentally. It's like the same argument that they shit on 10 minutes ago about the chemical imbalance. Now they're acting as if that's the same argument that they shit on 10 minutes ago about the

chemical imbalance. Now they're acting as if that's the only argument. Right. Exactly. And it's like, no, all of this stuff happens because of experience too. They're very confused. They're very confused. They're about to run a sting operation. It's so fucking. I love this. This is a best. So they do a situation to catch psychiatrists not agreeing on everything they ever say. And but they cause it by lying to the psychiatrists to get them to say stuff, right? Yeah. Right. So what they do is they hook a guy up with a secret camera and then he says a bunch of symptoms to psychiatrists. And then we see footage of psychiatrists naming drugs. Now, to be clear, what could be said

before they're speaking is, was you just name some drugs that I might be put on for depression, right? We have no idea what he said. And we don't know what symptoms he offered them. All we know is that these people are saying the names of drugs and they're like, psh, sounds pretty fake to me.

Yeah. Right. And they, they don't even do this right. They're trying to show the doctors giving all different diagnosis and giving different drugs. But most of the ones they show actually say the same thing about the person who's going from doctor to doctor. It was ADHD with a little bit of depression, something like that. Most of the doctors said that. They couldn't even just, you know, edit it to make that look better

for the movie. Yeah. They just forgot. I don't know. They literally accidentally show a consistency of care. And they're like, fuck. All right. Well, name different drugs. We probably don't know what those mean. And again, I just want to be clear that the point of this section is, oh, the psychiatrist, they're so unsure, they don't know anything. And their answer is we know it's the souls of the aliens who were frozen by Zeno and dumped into volcanoes on the ancient planet Earth. Like, just to be clear, that is the second half of this pitch that they're setting up. Yeah, they just never give it to us. They're hiding that part from us.

Yeah. They also like really zero in on this one doctor who's like, well, you know, this isn't curative. And it's like, yeah, no shit, it's not curative. Yeah. Like nobody ever claimed that my medication is curing my mental illness. The medication that I take curing my mental illness. The medication that I take is treating

my mental illness. Like go ask an endocrinologist if they cure diabetes. Right. They don't do that. There are very few things in medical science that we can cure, mostly infections. Right. Like that's medicine. I feel like this movie is just a giant exercise in sea lioning. Like, there's just fucking sea lioning me the whole time and I'm getting stressed. Or sea orking you if you want. Yeah. They think they're curing the brain with volcano demons again. That's the claim and the psychiatrists aren't.

They're just being honest. They show a bunch of these doctors just being like, yeah, no, you can't usually like cure the brain. That's not the way anybody would ever say that. That doesn't make sense. And that's like a big montage. Okay, but he's what about MRIs and like brain scans and stuff? Those seem pretty real. Are those just people taking random pictures of shit and anything? Okay. They claim that brain scans are also a hoax here. I really thought they'd be cool that one.

That's like the ruler, right? They do measure some stuff. Well, that's the problem is that this entire time they've been like, there's no way of locating it in the brain. And we're like, actually, there's some really promising shut the fuck up. It's like, some things actually have really predictable pathologies. And it's like, okay, you may not know this. You can be technically diagnosed with Alzheimer's.

If you are showing specific signs of dementia, you take the neuropsychiatric evaluations. And neurologists will be like, this seems like Alzheimer's related dementia. Maybe we'll start air-cept. We'll talk about these different options. But it's not technically diagnosed until autopsy, because we don't really know if it's Alzheimer's or a different type of dementia until we can see the pathology, the plaques and tangles.

Like, and we're not gonna take a sample of somebody's brain while they're still alive, that's too invasive. Because you're afraid too, yeah. Okay, but that actually is measurable. So, the point they're making is like, I look at a leg bone, I see the big space that's broken, that's real, I'm a real doctor. Show me the broken brain spot, but you're saying they actually can.

They can't have a certain. Yes. With certain pathologies, yes, like schizophrenia, like certain types of dementia. And we're working on the other stuff too. But also it's like they're forgetting the important nuance here, which is that the brain is complicated and they're literally trying to make that claim. Like, look, brain hard, psychiatry fake. Boom. There's too much words. Yes, their point is like the brain bones more complicated than the leg bone, therefore,

it's probably all fine up there. And then this is the point in the film where they say that 450 million people worldwide have a psychiatric diagnosis, although I'm pretty sure they said a billion like a few minutes ago. Yeah, they say a billion at the beginning of the beginning. Well, since they've started this documentary, half of those people got better from the documentary, they're really helping. And so they're saying it as if like 450 million people worldwide have like that bullshit and

made up and can you believe it? And it's like, okay. And there have been 766 million laboratory confirmed cases of COVID. And like 1.6 billion people worldwide have allergies. What's your point? People get sick. Right. So how many people died at action

park and the soldiers across his, it doesn't, you're just naming number. It's so ridiculous. The way they use numbers in this movie. Right nonsense. All right. So from there, it's time for segment called kids in psychiatry's crosshairs. Psychiatry is coming for your kids piano sting indeed. And it starts with this claim, I don't know, maybe something like this is true, but they're adding lies to it. I'm certain psychiatrist's met at the White House in 1950 to do something. According to the movie, it was to make schools into mental health clinics and then make a bunch of money on shock therapy and pills.

Right. No, the White House did a conference on mental health in the 50s because so many kids were mentally ill and the schools didn't know how to handle it. That sounds reasonable to do. That's like what happened. Yeah. It's actually like one of the most important moments in mental healthcare in world history. Like I'm trying to think of another thing to compare it to, I mean, like other than like the school lunch program and the new deal, like this program and this meeting helped so many mentally ill, because again, what they're doing is they're like, you believe they wanted to treat children, but we are all sitting in our modern brains being like, rabble, rabble, rabble. I heard on the internet that ADG is overdiagnosed, not like kids with psychotics.

Kids if any, we're just walking into class being like an apple a day, you're a demon. Like there was no resources for kids. There was no resources for any of it. And like we didn't notice when kids were being fucking brutally abused by their parent. Like there's a lot of like we didn't see PTSD. We didn't see these trauma responses. there's a lot of, like we didn't see PTSD, we didn't see these trauma responses. There's a lot that kids go through. Right.

We need to be able to screen them for mental illness in school. Right, and again, what they're, what they're against here is screening people for mental illness, checking to see if people have life-endangering conditions. The only way this section could be sillier if they were like showing the light checks you used to do in elementary school

and being like invading the privacy of children's scouts. Right. Right. Yeah. And they're obsessed with this concept of like overdiagnosis of ADHD. And they say that like they interview some woman who's like, we would diagnose them by setting a timer for 10 minutes

and seeing if they could sit still. Like, why? That's not the DSF, like criteria at all. That's, I don't, they just like made that up completely. Nobody does that. That's just like how I would fail at meditation and the meditation guy would be like, mad because I couldn't say that. But then it's like, they're just making that same argument that we're seeing now, right? Like, why are there so many trans people all of a sudden? It's like, right. Exactly.

That's what it is. Because it's like safer to say I'm trans now. Yes. And I do want to speak to the overdiagnosis of ADHD thing because yes, there is an overdiagnosis of ADHD thing. No, it does not come from the psychiatric industry. It comes from parents. And we could do an entire podcast on it. It comes from parents and teachers and, and the schooling culture, right? But it certainly does not come from psychiatry,

the medical field, right? But the other thing that you have to understand is that kids who had ADHD, right? We are picturing Joey pigs as well as the key when we think about ADHD. Kids who can't sit in their chair, right? Kids who roll around on the ground and all that kind of stuff, but 80D and 80 HD have different presentations. And the answer before we started over diagnosing all the kids was you are bad or you misbehave right or you're stupid or you're wrong or you're something is inherently wrong with you, you're a rebel.

And those kids were just thrown out of society, right? And so while it's easy for us who benefit from modernity to look at over diagnosis and say, well, this is a real problem. Some people are getting pills that don't need them. We're not taking to account the, again, thousands, if not millions of lives that have been saved and changed for the better because they got medication and diagnosis right no it's again it's a net positive thing and yeah there's negatives inside of net positives and that's what the movie does here it's nonsense

question though is at a roll exactly the same as cocaine don't. That in the movie. Adderall is amphetamine. I have a bottle of it on my, uh, on my kitchen counter. I nice periodically take Adderall. Okay. I've done both of those drugs not prescribed. They're not fucking see. No, they're not. They're not the same. I give you firm literally. So I take Adderall periodically because I have a sleep disorder. I don't take it for ADHD. I don't have ADHD, but I have something called

idiopathic hypersomnia. So I'm tired all the time, even if I get a good night's sleep. And so Adderall is also a wakefulness drug. It can help with what neurologist think is going on in my brain, which is a lack of orexin. And the generic of Adderall,

literally it's on my counter. The bottle says, emphetamine salts. Okay. Adderall is literally, it's on my counter. The bottle says, emphetamine salts. Okay. Adderall is emphetamine. It's not cocaine. So you're doing crystal meth in a bottle on your counter. Right.

It's not crystal meth. It's emphetamine. Do you smoke it out of one of those clear pipes? Nope. I take a quarter of a pill sometimes in the morning. Got it. Do you pay for it in a dollar that you colored green and a piece of paper that you colored green?

I saw the wire. So I'm not picturing that you're nope. Nope. If everyone's not picturing the end of season one of the wire, where Kara is shooting me instead of that scene, I just put on one exactly that. Nice to meet you. Thank you. But they literally done. They literally in this part are like, Adderall is like cocaine and opium.

Nope. Nope. Wow. Real defile. I don't know. Presentation of opium. Yeah. Wow. Realty for presentation of opium. Those are opposites. Yes. Yes. Okay. Also, even if literally Adderall was the same as cocaine, it would be way better to have cocaine from regulated facilities. Right. Yeah. Dr. With exact dosing. Of course, you should have that. Yeah, that's the thing. They talk about it like at one point, a person literally says, this so-called medication, they're like, blah, blah, street drugs and then this so-called medication. And like the point that they're trying to make is that it's not medicine if it can be

abused on the street, but drugs are drugs. Right. They can be taken as directed or not. Yeah. You can abuse almost every drug out there. Yeah.. Yeah. Look at Vikiden and the pain medication problem that we had in this country, right? All of us agree it was a problem. All of us agree it was a huge problem with overdiagnosis and over delivery and pharmaceutical companies and all that stuff. No one's like, I'm pretty sure pain management isn't real. Right. Nobody's trying to take it away from like, well, they actually are trying to take it away

from cancer patients. It's very sad actually. Yeah. trying to take it away from like, well, they actually are trying to take it away from cancer patients. It's very sad, actually. But like, when I was a kid, no lie, for fun, we took Dextramathor a fam. We would take core acid in, cough medicine. Oh, shit. You're advanced as a kid. Yeah, I know.

And have, have a good all time on the weekends. It's fucking cough medicine. Yeah. People take it to suppress their coughs, but you can also get really fucked up on it. Like that's how drugs are. They can be taken as directed or not. And you make a really amazing point about pain medication, which is post pain medication, right?

Post-viking and post sort of the sacrament family, fucking a huge part of this country. Doctors now very often don't give people who need that pain medication, the pain medication they need, right? Because they don't want to get in trouble. I've had multiple people who are literally dying from their cancers. That's what I do for a living. I work with people who are dying of cancer. And I've had multiple people.

The one sad scenario is that their doctors won't prescribe them the fentanyl that they need, which was literally designed for that purpose, which was cancer related pain. Colleague of care, right? Yeah. Colleague of care. And I've had another group of people who are afraid to take it because they don't want to get addicted, which I know sounds counterintuitive, but it's because of the rhetoric. Yeah, because they saw on the news that someone would fentanyl on a dollar bill and then you

wiped your nose and you died in your car. It's so sad. It's so it's, and I want to point out that like this is also what we're seeing with psychiatric care as well, right? Is that these tropes of psychiatric medicine being over diagnosed and that you don't really need these drugs and you know, oh, psychiatrists don't know what they're talking about. This leads to people who need this care not getting it, right? Like it's

not just dumb misinformation. It's not just like, haha, these stupid Scientologists are trying to induct people into their cult. This is truly like deadly misinformation. There's no safe way to spread this. Yeah. Yeah, it's horrible. Also, there's a terrible politics message here too. They claim that American schools went way down in the world rankings and they're trying to say it coincided with ADHD and Adderall happening more. That's nonsense. British, sure, the American school system got way worse because Republicans defunded everything with the word public at the beginning. It was not Adderall making kids dumber. In fact, again, I could tell you from experience, That's what makes you smarter, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. They also at one point talk about like how a kid on Adder

Ross shot up the school. Oh, right. Yeah. And it's like, or like, yeah. And it's like, okay, so school shooter took Zertek and Ada Banana the morning of the massacre. Coincidence. I think not like what? Right. Like what are you talking about? The saddest part I thought was like they interview these parents and the Kairan, it's not the saddest part what I just said was the fucking saddest part, but on the Kairan it said father of child forced into psychiatric drugs or mother of child forced into and I'm like by who by you by you. You're the parent. Like you make the decision as to whether your kid takes the drug or not.

Right. And they're talking about how their kids took these drugs and then they did something bad or something bad happened to them. And I'm like, yeah, it sounds like your kid needed psychiatric help. Yeah. That was the other thing. They're describing kids even before they started taking meds who were desperately meeting like wrap around psychiatric services. Right. Like kids who would deeply benefited from inpatient care. Right. But again, because of the weird, crazy taboo we've created around inpatient care, because we picture people being strapped down to beds instead of like getting to

color and talk to someone nice in group, right? They didn't get the care we need. And then parents, again, I have nothing but sympathy for people who have had bad drug experiences, but they're looking for someone to blame. Yeah. Right. Of course. And that's what that is. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then right after that, some guy, some talking head comes on the screen and he says, so the big question is, Quibono, who benefits? The answer is, of course, psychiatrist benefit. The segment is called psychiatry, hidden influence. And they claim that in little more than a century, they've infiltrated society, which is meaningless nonsense. So has indoor plumbing and electricity and dentistry without a

hammer and a fucking chisel. That's nothing. It's like, ooh, we actually want to understand the mental health of our citizens, scandalous. Right, that's the master plan. Could he, do you have any examples of like modern psychiatrist? What are, what are modern psychiatrists up to these days? Shut up. No, we're going to talk about the Nazis some more. Yeah. And ultimately, this is where the thesis statement is revealed. If we have psychiatry, we won't need church. Yup. Yeah, they give away the game here.

Yeah. They fully do. They're like people are just going to the doctor instead of praying and this is bad. We need to get these people out of society. I love what they're referencing here and they really just barely pass over it. What they're referencing is like religious mania

because in the like 1950s and 60s, a group of psychiatrists did say, hey, there's a huge problem of religious mania in this country. Can we include that in diagnostics? And because our senators are fucking crazy people, they were like, no, if someone says they're Jesus, you're not allowed to diagnose them with Jesus'itis, which is why.

Yeah, it's true. To this day, if someone has a religious delusion, you kind of, and again, Carrie, you can speak to this much better. Are you saying sincerely held delusiony? Yes, if someone has a sincerely held delusion, you have to like, write about the other things they're delusional about. Really? It's true.

Like if somebody with schizophrenia or any other sort of like delusion solely claims that they are Jesus, but they don't show any other symptoms, that's not diagnosable. Are you serious? Yeah. Yeah. What the fuck is happening? I know. Wow.

So the good news is most people with paranoid schizophrenia or with these other like positive symptoms are gonna show other signs. Right. And so we can get around it, yeah, by diagnosing these other signs. And there is something in there that says that they can have delusions of grandeur and like like high levels of religiosity,

but that can't be the sole defining characteristic. Yikes. Right. Which means some poor doctor has been sitting in a hospital room one day and the guy was like, well, I'm Jesus Christ of Nazareth. I'm'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right.

Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right.

Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right.

Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Okay. I did the Serbian war. What great Segway Eli. It was equally insane in the movie. So the movie ran out of gas on that insane point they were trying to make. And then they were just like, remember fucking Bosnia, Milosevic, that was psychiatry too. Psychiatry. This isn't the wrong section though. Like, like you should have gone earlier, right? Like, I feel it feels great, but they weren't doing the history. They would have remembered, they remembered the name, Milosevic right now, and somebody yelled it out, and they wrote a script. Yeah, is and another thing the part of the movie. Okay, well, and another thing, 9-11, second,

9-11. I, again, was joking when I thought that or wrote it to nope seriously Psychiatry did 9-11 because look we will make that point now We've all heard about Osama bin Laden and how he orchestrated 9-11 But actually it was his buddy this psychiatrist Bet you didn't know al-Qaeda's run by a bunch of shrinks that guy had some Adderall in a banana that day Yeah, that's it. I'm just picturing all the mental health professionals I know sitting in like a half circle at an alkydah thing being like,

okay, great. I just want to bring what I'm coming into the room with today to this alkydah meeting. Right. I just want to breathe in this space. This is so good. I really want to reverse stack today, everybody. They make this weird claim here that psychiatrists and psychologists can, quote, turn average men into mass murderers, which is a thing we just said that isn't made up at all. Yep. They

do say, okay, so they seem to be saying that psychiatry is fake. That's the point of the movie, except for bad stuff. Except for that it's also all powerful. It's like super powerful. So we can use it. I don't think they realized they contradicted their whole thing there. It's the box that he put his daughter in and she came out of mass murderer. Wrong color lights. And by the way, everybody listening, Eli sent me a link to where we meet to do this recording.

Yeah. And the title of the email is the end of Cara's sanity. Yep. And he changed the terminal part of the URL of the link to Gam404 Cara did 9-11. Cara did 9-11. Yeah. Yeah. That's in the NSA database now.

That's all out there. Oh, one second. Sorry. I'm just on domains Google.com to see if Kara did 9-11.com is available. Kara scoop it. Kara scoop it. You know five seconds. Oh, Kara did 9-11.com.

What are we always saying? So, yes. 9 11 dot com. Oh, what are we always said? Um, so yes, we're dot love. You don't have a go daddy tab open whenever you're at all times, Cara, that's on you. So this is this is also the point where for some reason, we come back around to the teen screen thing. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Is this real? Yeah. Yeah. This is real. And it's great. And a guy literally said, he said these words, like they yeah, is this real? Yeah, yeah, this is real. And it's great. And a guy literally said, he said these words, like they're talking about this, this, again, this thing where they screen school-aged children for mental illness and suicidality. That's what teen screen was. Sounds like a great idea.

Yeah, yeah. He said, it's one of the, quote, scariest things I've ever heard of. Really? Yeah, you talked about like Milosevic just like in your movie, but Holocaust was in your movie slavery. Yeah, yeah, really is but screening children for Suicideality very scary. Also, they said quote, we don't have an epidemic of mental illness. We have an epidemic of psychiatry and that's really the Statement right of the movie. Yeah, mental illness isn't real. We make it up so that we can treat people with drugs and then we can turn them into mass murderers. Well, first you did it so you could kill them, but then you wanted to tie them up real good and now you drug them. Phase next.

Great profit. Yep. Yeah. And you make $6 an hour in the swamp support. I don't know how you, you really fucked it up. Can I say, Karen, you're doing the dollars an hour in the swamp. I don't know. You you really fucked it up. Can I say, Cara? You know, I don't know what happened. Figure shit out.

You're like the worst illuminatus ever. Can I say you played the wrong brain games? That was a show. She was a host on brain games. Everybody. All right. I think it's time for the big finale. Spoiler, it's a 10 minute commercial for a nonprofit that's a Scientology Front that we were talking about earlier, the CCHR,

the Citizens Commission on Human Rights Scientology Front. It is this final section is so bizarre because it's that early 2000s like, boom, boom, boom, boom, here at the CCHR, we do everything we can to stop people from raping children with their mind killing drugs. Boom, boom, boom, boom, this is Susan. She's in charge of distributing our posters. Boom, boom, boom, boom, we have cake for everyone's birthday. Hello.

Ridiculous. Yeah. And this is where they mentioned that they have a physical museum of this movie. Yeah. The title of this movie is also the title of a museum they have in Los Angeles, California. Yeah. Dried by it all the time. Yikes.

Yeah. I thought the movie was over at this point because it was fucking over and then there were 10 more fucking minutes. I just didn't watch it. I'm sorry. I hate you guys too much I just didn't watch it. I'm sorry. I hate you guys too much. I couldn't do it. That's fair.

Okay. Well, you didn't find out that you should smash that like and subscribe button for the CCHR. Shribe button, right? And come visit their beautiful tapas and see all the things. And then I just have to talk about the final line of the movie because it makes me so happy. The last talking head says, and this is Cezazz, the guy who killed himself, he says, only when we get rid of psychiatrists, I'm paraphrasing, he says, only when we get rid of psychiatrists,

we have an honest assessment of psychiatry. Really? Says the psychiatrist. Yes. So that was his plan was to get rid of himself so that we have an honest yikes. And to be fair, he nailed it. Okay. That ended with a genocide suggestion. Two for two. Including a suicide. Cool. Great movie.

Learned a lot. Awesome. What would you say, let's be as fair as possible? What would you say is, Thank you, the best argument you heard today in this movie? Definitely, mental illness is fake news. I think. Okay. Yeah. It's catchy.

Carriage at 9.11. Yeah. I do believe that. And I'll be working on a website this weekend. Yep. About check it out. Check out my week site. Everybody. That's going to do it.

Got on mid journey. God no. A lot out there. Yeah. Definitely check out that website. What that is going to do it for psychiat on mid-journey? Oh God no! A lot out there. Yeah. Yeah. We'll only check out that website. But that is gonna do it for psychiatry and industry of death. But that's not gonna do it for the episode just yet

because we found another amazing movie for next week and I'm so excited. Eli, I'm not gonna be able to say it. What's on deck? What's on deck? Well, he, next week, as you know, is the most glorious time of year. And certainly the most religious for us here, we'll be watching Fast 10.

Fast 10. Yes. Fast and the furious. It is the 10th. 10th one movie in theaters. We're seeing it the night before it technically releases. Mm-hmm. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course.耍. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course the night before it technically releases. So if you record it, the day it releases. What is this have to do with God awful movies? There's God in it. They wear religious. There's a crazy fucking Vin Diesel. Shut up.

You made a dog gay today. Carol, what do you know? Honestly, honestly, I just am grateful that I don't have to join you guys for this. Thank you. Come on, this would be the most delightful of all the movies we've ever had. You know what? Vin Diesel would not. It would be painful.

It's family deeply pain. She doesn't about family. You don't know any about family. You don't know about family and loyalty. The rocked-wing Johnson. All right. Well, what that's look forward to, which I am shaking, shaking for. We're going to bring episode 404 to a merciful close. Huge thanks to Cara for joining us. Cara, thanks again. Wow. Okay. So it's a good one. So it's a good one. So it's a good one. So it's a good one. So it's a good one. So it's a good one. So it's a good one. So it's a good one.

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