God Awful Movies - 419: Furious Love

Episode Date: August 29, 2023

This week, Karen from the Deconversion Therapy podcast joins us for an atheist review of Furious Love, the story of Earth's most credulous documentarian spending Kickstarter money on a lovely extende...d vacation. --- Check out Karen's podcast here: https://beacons.ai/deconversiontherapy --- If you’d like to make a per episode donation and get monthly bonus episodes, please check us out on Patreon: http://patreon.com/godawful Check out our other shows, The Scathing Atheist, The Skepticrat, Citation Needed, and D&D Minus. Our theme music is written and performed by Ryan Slotnick of Evil Giraffes on Mars. If you’d like to hear more, check out their Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/EvilGiraffesOnMars/?fref=ts All our other music was written and performed by Morgan Clarke. To hear more from him, check him out here: https://www.morganclarkemusic.com/

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Starting point is 00:00:00 That's what I was thinking. This movie is like Satan is a driving car. It just goes by itself. Yes. For God, people need to get in and pedal and they just, you know, God needs people. Oh, that's really interesting. Yeah. God can't pee when you're looking, but Satan runs several world governments. Right. Right. right, absolutely. God awful movie. Welcome back to the Gamecast where each week we sample another selection from Christian cinema because nobody told us influencer was going to be an option. I'm your host, Noah Luzon.
Starting point is 00:00:50 He's unable to join us today. He's too busy having a happy birthday, but sitting 900 miles to my northeast is my bad friend Eli Bostick Eli. How are you for this fine afternoon, sir? I'm okay, Noah. How about you? Usually you exaggerate there. I'm glad to see that you're, you know, bringing it back to earth.
Starting point is 00:01:08 Interesting. I was excited to welcome a brand new guest, Massacast Karen from the Deconversion Therapy Podcast. Karen, let me offer you the traditional first time guest, Gam Greeding. I am so sorry you agreed to be on our show. I'm telling you, now that I've walked through all this, I'm pretty pissed too. So I can't wait to get into it. This was a rough one to be your inaugural episode.
Starting point is 00:01:31 This was a tough one. Speaking of which, tell us, Karen, what will we be breaking down today? We are going to go over the lovely documentary movie called Furious Love. And with those two descriptive words, there's one of them that I feel very strongly after watching this movie. And that is directed at you guys. You guys can guess it's the Furious, if it's the love. This is sort of a God-umentary. It's basically a man who owns a camera. Sure. And he goes tracing to different parts of the world to find the most sinful places.
Starting point is 00:02:14 And he wants to film how God's love transforms people. Yeah. And that is the most through line I can figure out for this movie. Sure sure sure when I tried to put a through line to it I was every story that a big brother's friend ever told you, you know Yep, and Eli how bad was this movie? Well, if you loved the cutesy Bootsy gullibility of the first finger of God movie, but wished it showed more of the demonstrable and extreme harm it's doing to the most dire places in the world.
Starting point is 00:02:54 You will love this movie. Yes. Yes, this is a lot of it. You're the one. To finger of God, if you don't remember that one, that's the one where the guy just completely credulously accepted when people would say, yeah, no, God gave me these gold teeth. These weren't put here by a dentist or anything. No, these just miraculously appeared one day. Oh, man. Yeah. That's the source of skepticism we're going with here. This is the movie
Starting point is 00:03:19 verse. Sometimes we're like an atheism convention or something and someone will be like, oh, what do you do? And I'll be like, we make comedy podcasts about religion. And they'll be like, oh, I don't actually think anything's funny about religion. And there's like a weird moment where I go like, I mean, I agree. That's true. This is all, it's bad. It's this, this is that movie, this feeling. It's the movie.
Starting point is 00:03:39 It's this documentary. Absolutely. All right. So is there anything you guys want to nominate this one for being the best of being the worst at? Wow. I anything you guys want to nominate this one for being the best to be the worst at? Wow, I you wanted me to pick one, but What I was saying is this young man who did this film obviously got a camera for Christmas So I don't know if this is the worst best for filmmaking. Okay, because
Starting point is 00:04:03 the worst best for film making. Okay. Because if your one job is to have the camera, how come the angles and the out of focus anyway, it's not good. But maybe it is the best worst, unenthusiastic healed people. I've never seen you ain't kiddin' man. Wow, people who receive miracles that are gonna change their life just look like,
Starting point is 00:04:31 you know, they got to the front of the line at the DMV. There's not excitement. There's just. Okay. Yeah, there's a lot of like, oh, yeah, that's my, uh-huh. Yeah, no, I can walk again, great. That's great, thank you. If your miracle healing ends with, you done, you did a great, you did not do a good job.
Starting point is 00:04:49 So they're not happy with you. Now, I was going to go with best worst excuse to go to a brothel. As Karen said, this guy's going to go to all the most sinful places in the world. And I it's because I wanted to document the sin. I want to fix it. There's a lot. Wherever they're boobs, I got fun. Yeah, well, the boobs. They healing. He needs to heal. The lay hands on. No, I need to wait. Laying on. Honestly, best worst erection is most of this movie. I mean, we'll talk about the one moment where the erection might as well get its. I mean, we'll talk about the one moment where the
Starting point is 00:05:25 erection might as well get its own interview, but we'll get to it. Is that what changed the camera angle? That's, that's what finally evens it out. Yeah, figured it out. And I'm going to go with best worst. That thing is also my religion. So like, here's the thing. You could watch this movie and be fooled momentarily into being like, these guys are the good Christians because their whole angle throughout the film is like, you know, the church is so busy with rules and this and that and the other thing and we're all about love. But then as the movie shows more and more harm that these people are doing, they eventually just start taking credit for literally everything.
Starting point is 00:06:07 Yes. This food is my religion. Yeah, patting on the back is my religion. Hands, friendship is my religion. Yep. Yep. All right, well, we've got some next level bullshit to prepare for, so we're gonna keep the break brief, but when we come back, we'll dive into all the naive credulity that is
Starting point is 00:06:26 Furious love Kid hey, hey kid Eli, what are you doing? Yeah, I'm a buckee see taking bets on the college games kids good odds if you know what I mean Okay, I'm pretty sure you don't know what you mean, but Eli if I want want to bet on sports, I don't need sketchy websites or whatever you're pretending to do. Now there's draft kings. Oh, so they finally got Charles, huh? What war is he going to do?
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Starting point is 00:08:16 Anyway, scram before my heavy puts the work on you. Yeah, beat it. Karen, he roped you into this. I was promised I could hit someone with a wiffle bat. Oh, okay, understandable. Alright, everybody, welcome to the first writer's meeting for Furious Love. Ready! Now, I'm going to be straight with you guys.
Starting point is 00:08:41 And girl. That's right. And girl, for me, this project is going to be going into the darkest places in the world, really just plunge in in there, you know. Totally. It's like evil might want to resist, but God will fill you with His holy light. I mean, you know what I'm saying, right? Totally. Yeah. Sorry, guys, phrasing. Right? Totally. Yeah. Sorry, guys. Frazing. What?
Starting point is 00:09:05 Seriously, you don't find anything wrong with saying you want to resist, but God will fill you up. I mean, only if Christianity is wrong, right? Yeah. I mean, I'm happy to force the Lord into the deepest, darkest, whole of the devil hides, and nobody will stop me. Totally. You know what? I'm just going to get something nobody will stop me. Totally. You know what, I'm just gonna get something out of my car. Sure, no problem.
Starting point is 00:09:29 Totally, yeah. Yeah. That's like the 30 second woman we've hired who forgot something at home super fast. 34th, actually. 34th, yeah. Ha, ha, ha, ha. And we're back for the breakdown. We're gonna open up with a warning that this movie has graphic images in it. Yeah. And we're back for the breakdown. We're going to open up with a warning that this
Starting point is 00:09:47 movie has graphic images in it. It doesn't. It does not. I think they mean people of color. I think they mean Africa, the continent. No. Yeah. Actually, I'm pretty sure they mean like women in their underwear occasionally, but yeah. Yeah, so this the movie, it starts like like one of those overproduced videos of how to put your screen protector on your new phone or whatever, you know, a lot of, a lot of just random glitz in the opening. The credits, we get like a tornado and a tsunami and shit, like bad graphics versions. Absolutely. Like I was like, is this twist or two? They was so in depth with this epic promise of this going to blow you away.
Starting point is 00:10:34 Right. Yeah. Whatever the like second most cheap package for disaster stock footage, that's the one he bought, right? Not the cheapest one. No, no, he, yeah, he spent some, yeah, he spent a few $5 on this. Yeah. So, and now, and what we're trying to say,
Starting point is 00:10:49 by the way, with tornado and the tsunami is, see, these are examples of God's furious love, the way that sometimes he loves you so much, that he rips your home to pieces and kills your dog with a tornado, it's like that. Hallelujah. Yeah. So, yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:04 So, yeah, and then he gives us a quick like last time on finger of God bit to catch us up with the prequel. Hi, everybody. Just want to remind you I am the most gullible person possible. Here's a quick montage of me being fooled by bad body magic. Okay. Yes. I can't believe you guys watched a different movie about from the same thing that oh yeah, that's human sacrifice right there It really I show as a death cult. Yeah Yeah, but so he's he's gonna put God to the test he's gonna put God's love to the test in this movie That's the prophecy makes So as a former Christian, there's a big thing in the Bible that says, do not test the Lord that God. So I like that already. He's sort of just absolutely saying, I haven't read this book, but I do have this camera.
Starting point is 00:12:00 Yep. Right. Exactly. Yeah. No, putting his love that sounds like some unabusive boyfriends says, let's put our love to the test. Yeah. But in this case, Darren and God really deserve each other. It's one of those relationships where you just sort of gently unfriend them both on Facebook and let them work him out on their own. Yeah. He goes, it all started with Jeff Janssen, Jeff Janssen as this faith-yellow, terrible human being that was still saying in 2021 that God was going to reinstall Trump as president. He was in jail for grand theft at the time. These days, he's dead, though, which is probably a better move.
Starting point is 00:12:34 Yeah. I'm in his part. Karen, you actually found a little fun fact about Jeff Jensen here. Want to let us know what you found? Yeah. First of all, I had no idea that I lived in the same town as him at one point, never heard of him, but I did look him up and there was a quote the year before he died quote evangelical pastor Jeff Jansen, a self-described prophet. Aren't they all
Starting point is 00:12:57 self-described? Has been asked to step down from the ministry he co-founded and has chosen chosen to leave his wife and family to quote pursue his own desires. Yes, his wife and eight kids. Are you fucking kidding me? Nope. They save money. You know, when you lose your job and your family at the same time and it's for totally cash money and chill reason.
Starting point is 00:13:24 Oh, wow. And you know when he died, people like that. What's God's judgment on them? Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. But our filmmaker says, you know, I went with Jeff Chanson to Africa. I was really feeling the white man's burden. So I went to Africa to Tanzania to help him Christianize people. And so we go to Tanzania with them and he's like, and this is where I found out that we were actually going to be casting out demons, a lot of demons in Tanzania.
Starting point is 00:13:51 Interesting. Yeah. No, and we watched this. We watched people get filled with the Holy Spirit, but then get, quote, unquote, attacked by demons and have to drag them to a separate place to exercise the demon. Interestingly enough, the demons can only attack the people who are already sort of culturally inculcated to this concept, right?
Starting point is 00:14:11 They don't get any of the camera men for some reason. Yeah, they didn't get Darren. It's strange. Also, like, I'm sorry, but as someone who's just been to enough drug-filled concerts, it's a fucking chill out tent, okay? Yes. It's even the same shape and color as a chill out. I'm not sure you bought them from chillout tents.com, but you definitely
Starting point is 00:14:31 got the chill out tent from the same chill out tent supplier. I thought they were going to shove an orange slice into one of these demonic things out of the second. So yeah, they had the tent from, yeah, crusade camp co. And it said he thought it was for the hearing impaired, which that made no sense already. Why would you put the hearing impaired and a close white tent at a back of a crusade? Right far away. Now you can't. So nobody has to see them. And you can't see. Yeah. But I love that it ended up just being for the people who are like, chalking up demons and for press.
Starting point is 00:15:12 Oh, yes. Yes. Well, and he goes like, I was about to learn it from one person that I came to call Abercrombie Girl. And we see this girl in this Abercrombie hoodie. And now I should be clear. It's not like she dies at the end. He could have just asked this woman her name.
Starting point is 00:15:28 He could have thought of hers a human being in any way shape or form. He goes, I never thought I'd see a face to face with a demon possessed person. And I'm like, yeah, me too, Darren. You and I both. Yeah. And you didn't, Darren, but keep it rolling. Yeah. Also, Darren, can I say as someone who has a toddler in a hitting phase right now, you
Starting point is 00:15:51 ain't seen nothing yet, Darren. Okay. These people are downright treats compared with my. Come out. Yeah. But yeah, but this was in his words, his first exposure to the great war of the invisible. He like he pans around all these people that are demon possessing. I was like, you know, these people aren't suffering from a mental illness.
Starting point is 00:16:12 They're not just imagining this. And I'm like, what makes you say that? I said it on camera. It has to be true. Exactly. I'm there. It's important. I also have to point out that like it's's not particularly good demon faking, right?
Starting point is 00:16:26 Like at first, I was like, oh, I really don't want to watch people like get abused or beaten, but like, everyone's heart isn't really in it. So there's a lot of like big smiles to camera with them being like, did you do it for the white guy? No, I got to do a demon thing for the white guy.
Starting point is 00:16:40 That's it. That's it. Cause this has been going on for decades. And you know, they're just like here, the white people that came for show. We're going to give them a show. Yes. They just all gather up together.
Starting point is 00:16:53 All right. Everybody, do we know who is demons this week? And are we all off? But God damn it, Stephanie. Put your script away. Stephanie, I'm not going to talk about this again. We're not going to have this fight. Listen, Amber Cromby girl. Stephanie Amber Crombie girl, Nelson. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:09 Fucking learn your lines. So, but then we're going to get introduced to our sort of basic cast of talking heads. First, we meet JP Moreland, author of some dangerously stupid fucking demon book. Listen, this JP Morgan guy, first of all, the whole thing was, it looked like it was a high school presentation the way it was filmed. Yes. You had your action scene and we forgot, remember Abacrombie Girl, it shows her like riding around and filming at the mouth. Then he still shots her And he does a little wonder years. You probably wonder how I got here. Well, that's me is right on just suffering there. And he goes into the little his monologue of his work because he always wanted to be in the military and never
Starting point is 00:18:01 could. And then we go to this talking had JP Moreland who when I looked up, I found a little video on him. Ooh. Yeah. And he said that at one point, he and his wife asked God for a pool table, a fancy pool table, the professional kind of pool table. And you know what happened? What he was at his sisters cook out the next week and a random guy came up and said, I know this is weird, but are you looking for a pool table? So don't tell me. Wow. Don't tell me God isn't real. Aaron, what are we going to do our podcast about now? We have so much time to fill. I just I love that each specify a fancy play. You know, I just got right.
Starting point is 00:18:48 And I got some keep fucking bar. No, no second hand. I can do any garbage here. He's interested not in the homeless, not in people who are interested. He's not doing my fucking pool. Yeah, he'll get around to the homelessness after he makes sure that I'm getting a real
Starting point is 00:19:05 velvet cover top of this. This is just for billiard. This is for a bunch of games. I also love JP also shares this story where he's like, one time I was on the radio with a big important pastor. You don't know him. He lives in Canada. And he turned to me and he was like, we don't believe any of this bullshit.
Starting point is 00:19:22 And I was like, I do. And he was like, yeah. Yeah. Anyways, that's my story about how cool I am. Well, so now that's that's actually George Otis, you know, that's a different talking. Yeah, he's like, some prominent Christian was told me I was full of shit. And then I told him, and this is his actual quote, it's okay that you don't know some things. Boom.
Starting point is 00:19:40 Got it. Right. But the implication of that is, because I do know. Yes. Yes. Uh, and so, but this section wraps up, I love this fucking line so much. Darren, the narrator and Caramann, he says, you know, I spent my life not wanting to know too much. And then his point is that like, you know, because if you knew too much, then there would be like, you know, with great power, it comes great responsibility or whatever. But I just wrote my notes and it shows Darren.
Starting point is 00:20:06 Right. So then he introduces us to the group of radical Christians that he rolled with in Tanzania. And this is one of those things where like him and a group of fucking white saviors wander around in these desperately poor countries and they're like, Hey, you know, let's do we're going to do some faith healing and these desperately poor people are like, I'll try any fucking thing. Yeah, sure. Yeah. And the seat, like, that's what Darren demonstrates for himself, but he doesn't get it. Right? Because he's just filming. He's like, man, my white savior. And then they're like, Hey, Darren, do you want to do some magic healing?
Starting point is 00:20:43 And he's like, Oh, I don't have healing powers. And the guy is like, Hey, Darren, do you want to do some magic healing? And he's like, Oh, I don't have healing powers. And the guy is like, Oh, I'm very poor. And I would like the food you're going to give out after this experience. I assure you you do have healing powers. And Darren doesn't learn. They're faking it. Darren learns holy fucking shit. I have magic healing powers.
Starting point is 00:20:58 Oh, so I was second-hand embarrassed for Darren. So this young guy holding the camera. And first of all, did you spy that silver big Cuban link bracelet he was wearing? I did notice that, yeah. Just among all these poor people who it's probably like twinkling in their eyes, you know, hear the white people with jewels on. And then the other man who was like, yeah, pray for my knee. Darren was so, he was fumbling.
Starting point is 00:21:31 He was like barely touching the guys knee. I was saying he looked like a virgin pinning on a corsage at prom like on his one day. Like, do I touch here? Do I not? He finishes. He's like, did you come? Right.
Starting point is 00:21:46 And I'll tell you, the man, his face was exactly like the prom dates then because the man was like, is that it? Yeah, no, that's great, man. You know, they're wanting to please. These are people coming. Right. They probably, you know, baked feasts for them and gave them, you know, they're wanting to please. These are people coming. Right. They probably, you know, baked feasts for them and gave them, you know, things from where they are. And these guys
Starting point is 00:22:10 just walking around with their fucking bracelets going, does your knee feel better? What about the amputees? I want to see some amputees kick him. What about something that's like actually measurable in some way, other than no, no, it feels a little better now. Yeah. I mean, Darren even admits he's like, I gotta be honest, the only thing I was doing was trying to make it look like I took long enough for this to be reasonable,
Starting point is 00:22:32 but then all of a sudden he was better. Yeah. Yeah. So then we hear from Chris Vellatin from the one and only Bethel Church in Redding, California. Now, Karen, I don't know if you're familiar with Christian Hogwarts. I think I'm familiar. Oh, are you?
Starting point is 00:22:51 Yeah. We've done quite a few things on Bethel. I love it. I'm going to apply for their spiritual healing school or whatever the fuck it is. Because I really like the story where a woman went to the police because they prayed for her at a grocery store and made her stand up and she fell. That's my thing. Oh my god. Oh yeah. Okay. I hadn't heard that one. We got lots of stories. Okay. But of the Bethel Christian college stories, the best one by far is the wall
Starting point is 00:23:23 walking. So for those who are not familiar, students at Bethel Christian College on a regular basis, send themselves to the emergency room, trying to walk through, or in this case, run through walls with their Jesus power. What? They lay on graves to soak up the ghosts in them. They're so fucking fine. They're the best. Yeah, and they produced one of my favorite fucking
Starting point is 00:23:53 Nemesis, Sean Foyte. Of course. Yeah. I can't even with him, but. Also, and sorry, just the audio file on me. Chris's mic during this interview is clipping like a fucking weed whacker. It's driving me crazy. Yeah, it is. Well, and then that guy George Jonas, he comes on and like this is from Eli Spurs, where is he goes and he goes like, you know, the problem is is that when you see Christians today, they're mostly worried about being judgmental, power, hungry hypocrites. And then you're like, well, that's, that's actually
Starting point is 00:24:25 our line, uh, Georgia, if you don't mind. But then of course later he's going to say, so what you need to do is exercise demons with your white savior powers, right? Right. Yeah. And he also doesn't say, and maybe we should stop fucking their kids. So he's not, he's not exactly tuned into the problem. No, it's not good. And this is where I was like, wait a minute, who's this film for? Was this like for non-believers? Because all it is is proving how strong Satan is. We're not seeing much of that God yet. But I'm telling you, Satan's everywhere. Yeah, he's really nailing it. Yeah, well, so now to be clear, who this movie was for is it was for Darren.
Starting point is 00:25:06 It was for the filmmaker to write off a bunch of travel and get people on Kickstarter to pay for it. But yes, yeah, right, right. Um, as in terms of who the audience was, who the fuck even knows us really. Yeah, fuck me. Yeah. So then we're going to head to Indonesia. We're going to meet Pastor Philip Mentofa speaking of travel that he got Kickstarter.
Starting point is 00:25:24 People to pay for. Well, this pastor, I'm just going to say, is not unhot. Sure. So putting that out there. Yes. No, he is the fuckable Filipino Joel Osteen. Yes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:41 Or the, what's the guy with his pants off all the time, Carl Lentz. Yeah, sure. Oh, so I was going to say Jerry Fowell, tune your, but yeah, if I ever see that guy's a belly cleavage, hell of a slated picture again, I'm suing liberty universe. Yeah, it's right. Sure. So is he, Karen. So I want my horse in his back. But so we see this montage. So Philip Mentos, apparently super, super popular in Indonesia, he's with the most popular pastor in the fucking country. And we see him pastoring to crowds of thousands. And we see these like giant alter calls where you're like kind of afraid that people are going to get crushed to death death like a European football rally or something.
Starting point is 00:26:27 Yeah, feels a little dangerous. Like maybe we need an alter like red light green light going on here. That right, yeah. And then, and this is supposed to be a good thing, Darren's like, and hear me out, he hires mostly unpaid children for his ministry. It's so cool, right?
Starting point is 00:26:44 Fantastic, I love. And I so cool, right? Fantastic. I love. And I wrote my notes. Child labor. Yes. Kids are just as good as this as adults. Is not the recommendation for the profession that you think it is, darren? Right.
Starting point is 00:26:54 Right. Exactly. I always thought about that. There was like a seven year old pastor when I was in second grade. He's a pastor too. I'm like, well, I guess he had kept, yeah, take much then because he's a dumb kid. And also, well, there's telling us about that, you know, he's like, he uses child labor and he doesn't even compensate him.
Starting point is 00:27:10 During that, we're watching children like openly weeping with the love of Jesus. We're watching that terrifying Bible camp b-roll. Right? That kills me. Yeah. And then, Mantofa starts telling him about the demons hiding under Darren's bed. This
Starting point is 00:27:26 is the most, you know, like older brothers friend telling you a ghost story kind of shit that happens in the entire movie, right? Okay. This is the medicine man, right? The demon witch doctor. Yes. Tell us the story. Yes. So this he had a witch doctor in his hometown. This is the story that Philip tells us. You had a witch doctor in his home down. This is the story that Philip tells us, you know, which doctor in his hometown and he would do a yearly fucking magic show where he would cut his stomach open, show everybody his intestines, bite his own intestines, die and then rise from the grave and look, I don't know what this is based on if anything,
Starting point is 00:28:05 but as someone who has participated backstage in several magic shows, I could not get past the image of everyone just sitting backstage. Could show really good, really good show. One note, one note, you sort of got your face in there a little too deep this year and we didn't really see the biting. So I think a lot of people thought you just sort of sneezed into your innards. biting, saying a lot of people thought you just sort of sneezed into your inner heart. Harmony angles. And I love how they're just spinning these stories and they're called bank testimonies.
Starting point is 00:28:33 Like you can bank that this little story is going to make you money at a church when you tell it. But why isn't Darren going, excuse me, I'm going to cut here. Can you tell me where that man is? We're gonna see this on film right at the end every year He cut he bites his intestines up. That would be a great thing for your Paper Maybe some documents in your documentary
Starting point is 00:29:03 Yeah, I found recording is fine. But then, but so, Manthofa tells us you get a, he heard about this guy and he was biting his intestines. And so he decided he was gonna go there. And I'm like, please tell me you challenged him to an untested biting contest. But no, he demanded that he repent from Jesus. And then Philip Manthofa starts telling us
Starting point is 00:29:21 about that guy's dream. He's like, in that night, he dreamed, and I'm like, hold on a second. How the fuck do you know what he dreams? But he dreamed that Jesus came and stole away all his powers. So he became a Christian. Bam. That's it.
Starting point is 00:29:38 Yeah, great. And I just, this is a stupid clarification, but this is just kind of illustrates how dumb and gullible daring is. He's like, you know, super impressed. He's a very popular pastor in the world's most Muslim nation. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:53 No, fuck it, isn't. So the mistake he's making here is that Indonesia has the largest Muslim population of any country. But like, in terms of as a percentage, it's the 34th most Muslim nation. That's how much he understands about what he's saying to you in his document. Exactly. Yeah. I know.
Starting point is 00:30:12 That's why I mean, I almost feel bad for Daring. I know. You guys, yeah. It's just he was the kid sitting alone at a table and I swear he's came to like, let's give him a camera for Christmas. Mm-hmm. And he went out. Yeah, sitting alone at a table and he was like, some momo momo, God powers and everyone was like, what?
Starting point is 00:30:29 And he was like, oh no, just my friend was telling me about his God powers. But you guys were talking about sports. Just like, you're gonna do. If you guys want to hear about God's super powers, I guess I could tell you, but you'd have to come to this table over here. We're there. Now, did you talk about that manofa, the not unhot guy, talks about how he knows the Holy Spirit so well.
Starting point is 00:30:50 They're on a first name basis. Okay. I said, this first name is holy. I left it for a why he goes into this whole thing. He's like, if you know, the Holy Spirit is a friend. I know all my friends by first name. Yeah. His first name's Holy is last name spirit. So I call him holy. I have to call him Mr. Spirit myself.
Starting point is 00:31:10 Yeah. If I'm close friends, I know they're middle name. So I want to know Holy fucking spirit to no name, whatever it is. It's it's Bethesda. It's Bethesda. It's it's it's it's it's it's holy Bethesda spirits and then and just in case the story of the intestine biting witch doctor was too credible for you and you wanted something a little more fantastical in your life it's time for George Otis to tell us about the shortcut to enlightenment through Tibetan Buddhism which includes I kid you not who Taking the top of your own skull off like, you ever seen the man with two brains? Right, right.
Starting point is 00:31:49 This is the best. So what he's talking, he calls it the chud. It's not the chud, it's the hood. And that's because it's based on a Tibetan word, you idiot. And he's a chud. He's a great movie. So fuck, yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:32:05 So this is actually a thing in Buddhism. It's a metaphor what you do for in defense of Buddhism, he said on his atheist fucking podcast, is he goes in and you meditate on what it would be like for your body to decompose. And some people say it's a very enlightening experience. This idiot who heard it during a game of bastard, Halloween special, you know, telephone thinks they actually cut off the top of their skull. And then piece by piece, put their body in it and then it comes and gets eaten by demons while they accompany their own dismemberment on a flute made of a human thigh bone. And that says nothing to do with the movie either.
Starting point is 00:32:56 It's just all like listen to this guy's story about a story that he heard about a story. Yes. Yes. Yes. This guy tells this long book is what I love so much about this when he starts to tell the story, Darren actually does the one or years thing where he's like, all right. So this is a little weird. What you're about to hear is a little far fetched. I'm like, compared to the intestine biting thing. Right, right. Yes. It is. And again, we have no proof. But right, obviously.
Starting point is 00:33:28 At the end of it, he goes, what do you do with a story like that? I'm like, well, not included in your documentary. That's for sure. Yes, for sure. It's that Christen kink, man. It's like, let's talk about other religions and the disgusting things they do that we just happen to hear of. Yeah, right.
Starting point is 00:33:47 Like you guys eat your God. You know, can you imagine, I think the Buddhist equivalent documentary here. Right. Let's drink some blood. Yeah. The last line of that bit is he's like, should we write this guy off as a lunatic? And me and Eli just wrote, well, obviously, that would be it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:03 Do you know your story about piling your own body while you accompanying yourself on a flute made of phone. Who's that, Darren? Hey, Darren, who would have told someone about that bouncing head with a flute. You guys never believed what I just did. Oh, my God. The bottom of a head anyway. Right.
Starting point is 00:34:21 All right. Well, this movie's already asking for our advice and I've got nothing. So we're going to take a quick break, study up for the pop quiz, I guess. But we'll back in a flash with even more. Furious love. So tell me a little bit about your ministry. You know, man, I look at the church today and there's so much fiddle faddle, you know, laws this and the Bible that.
Starting point is 00:34:44 But for me, for me, man, for me though, it's about love. Lovely. And what do you mean by love? Oh, man, feeding the hungry, hugging a child, building a doghouse for a three-legged puppy. That's God's love right there. So God's love is actionable, nice things that not only don't require religion, but are actively hindered by it.
Starting point is 00:35:12 Putting soup in a bowl, that's God's love right there. That bowl ain't full of soup. It's full of Jesus. Right, right, right. Let me try it this way. Can you name something religion does that a secular charity couldn't do with open books? A wet washcloth on a hot afternoon.
Starting point is 00:35:34 Is that your answer or you just trying to list more things that are God's life? Yes. Let's pivot. Let's say someone gives someone a bowl of soup just, you know, to be nice, and they're not a Christian. What happens when they die? They burn in the lake of fire forever. Then what happens if someone doesn't give out soup or in fact ever help anyone in their lives, but does believe in Jesus? They go to heaven.
Starting point is 00:36:02 Right. So if anything, religion makes charity an extremely dangerous wager. I'm the best kind of Christian. Not the brag you think it is, but yes, you are. And we're back for the breakdown and we're going to rejoin our documentary and interviewing Angela Greenig, Satan Wrangler. I don't know. I mean, is it Christian to make your whole career and your business of getting money off of Satan? Oh, that's interesting. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:40 Interesting. Yeah, no. At a certain point, he becomes a coworker, right? Like, how we were a little sad when Pat Robertson died, right? Because he was such a content generator for I'm right right Yeah, she's like, you know, let me tell you a story that found a girl that I led out of Satanism and I wrote my notes I bet this story is very true and believable
Starting point is 00:37:02 And very coherent true and believable and very coherent. I want to add, I had to watch it two or three times, and that was uncomfortable and very hard. What is this, I'm ready for you guys to explain it to me. Please break it down. Sure, so we're getting the story from two different sources, so you know it's true. Okay.
Starting point is 00:37:22 From the woman who kicked Satan out of the possessed satanic girl and from the satanic girl herself, whose whose face, by the way, has been blurred out so that Satan won't know she's the one that told, I know, no, no fuck right. Yeah, no, you know, you don't want Satan to come in on it. And look, we should be clear here that the girl talking, the one whose face is blurred, she has obviously been through some pretty bad abuse. It is very obvious that she was addicted to drugs at one point and was probably given drugs as a part of the abuse. We have a tremendous amount of empathy for her who we don't have a tremendous amount
Starting point is 00:37:57 of empathy for is the lady who introduces her by saying, I had never seen a child so chock full of Satan in my life. Yes. Yeah. Bubble it up around the eyeballs. He was. Yeah. She tells us about the former release, Satanic girl tells us about the time that she had to have sex with Satan.
Starting point is 00:38:17 She says he appeared in the form of a Spanish prince. And then we watch like in real time where she goes, or you know what, maybe I just fucked a Spanish guy. Good minutes Spanish guy. Now that I think about it, it could have been a Spanish man. And I like count me in. I'm sorry, Spanish friends, you, where? Well, she was like, you know, and he was not,
Starting point is 00:38:37 he was pretty, he wasn't on the hot, right? So, what I'm saying is if he's out there and he wants another guy, I'm clean now. So yes. But yeah, but so she wanted out of Satanism. So she went to Angela to this, to this church or this mission or whatever that Angela was running. And Angela tells us the story of her like, well, first of all, she shows up at the door,
Starting point is 00:39:00 very like satanically. And she uses her telekinesis power to throw the door open. Right. We love a dramatic entrance because if you're going to use your powers, that's the thing. Yes. A door that already opens, make it open. Right. No, absolutely. Not a wall. We're just got show off a little bit. She goes, so I took my last dosage of heroin. I'm like, no, you didn't. I'm sorry. I think if I said, and then I snuffed out my last marijuana cigarette, you'd know something was up, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:34 When she said the heroin thing, I just wrote my notes, I asked heroin, that drug known for making a person both good at memory and reliable in their story. And I'll tell you what else it does. It makes people throw open fucking doors. With the enemies as well. Obviously. So, but she did that. She threw the thing open and Angela took one look at her.
Starting point is 00:39:57 She had no, there was no white inner eyes or eyes were all black because all of the Satan. And she says, oh, this is an actual quote. She says, I don't think so, babe. As in no using your Satan magic in this house. That is my favorite biblical passage. This is finding Satan with, I don't think so babe. No, I remember that. Dirty hairy of, you know, satanic exercise-ing people. Of course, yeah. Yeah, and then she's like,
Starting point is 00:40:33 and normally it takes a long time to unsatant a girl who's that far, but it only took about 20 minutes in this instance. So she's pretty much, we gave her the speed treat. She's satan light. Yeah. It's actually kind of anti climactic, right?
Starting point is 00:40:45 She's like, there she was filled with Satan, the fifth bride of the fallen sort of Anton Leveys bloodline and like, I would say an episode of everybody loves Raymond later. She was completely fine. Yes, she's fine. She was fine. It was nice. Didn't miss lunch. Didn't miss lunch.
Starting point is 00:41:03 She went to eat it. I don't think so, babe. Yeah, right. I was gonna use that on everything. Fuck, yeah, why would you not? So yeah, but Jesus, like, and after that, I had to fill her up with Jesus's love because once you empty out the demons,
Starting point is 00:41:17 there's this big, there's a hole there and you gotta fill it with something. So she filled her up with Jesus's love. They went out, the Satanist were like left and right trying to abduct her every time they turned around, which just in my mind is comical. I mean, I know that it there's like a way that it isn't, but you know, they failed a lot. So you got to imagine there was some comical there. And if they wanted to take this series, they could have not prefaced the story with, and none of my friends believed me.
Starting point is 00:41:45 No one believed me, except for the maker of this movie. Yes, right. Right. Right. She said, I lost a lot of friends with this, and I'm like, of course you did. I don't want to be your friend. Yeah, I have the fifth bride of Anton Lavais, and I'm wondering when they say
Starting point is 00:42:03 that she couldn't go anywhere without being kidnapped. If it was just her family saying, hey, come on home. Oh, wow. Samantha, because I assume they think everyone in Anton Lavais, you know, family is satanic, obviously. So is that what they meant? Like, hey, it's Thanksgiving.
Starting point is 00:42:23 Yeah, who knows? Come on home. You bring the potatoes. Is that what they meant? Like, hey, it's Thanksgiving. Yeah. Who knows? Come on home. You bring the potatoes. Is that what they mean by the trying to kidnap her? My there were just lying about this shit explanation as way less depressing. So I'm going with that one. Okay.
Starting point is 00:42:38 Also, and he says to us at this point, Derrin, the narrator says, and look, she has nothing to gain from this. She's not trying to sell a book or get more toxic events or whatever. He says to us at this point, Darren, the narrator says, and look, she has nothing to gain from this. She's not trying to sell a book or get more talks at events or whatever. And I'm like, well, I mean, she probably would sell a book if anybody was interested, but no, look, she's getting attention. She's getting validation. She's probably mentally ill.
Starting point is 00:42:58 She's like, she's getting an alternative to probably an abusive situation. She's got a ton to gain out of this. That's such a stupid fucking line. She's a part of your movie, Darren. Right. Absolutely. Yeah. But when she said, and this happens with everyone in Satanism or, you know, a dream of Chrome or whatever the hell people want to believe, she said, you know, she saw children sacrificed. Yeah. When are people going to call the police? If someone told you that, wouldn't you just be like,
Starting point is 00:43:27 oh, that's terrible. I'm going to get demons out of you. Then we're going to just call 911. Right. Yes. You're going to tell me where it is. As opposed to going on a book tour. Right.
Starting point is 00:43:36 Right. We're being in a documentary that 11 people watch, including us. Yeah. No. And then fucking JP Moirland cuts back into tell us that that Western churches need to up their anti-demon game dammit. Yeah. Oh, I thought you were saying he won a pool, a pool match. Yeah. Yeah. He says, have you ever noticed that all
Starting point is 00:44:00 the other countries that don't have robust psychiatric care, no, that this stuff is demons and we don't, huh? Yeah. How weird is that, right? And then as though he's doing my job for me, he goes, people in the third world have a lot more of a biblical worldview. And I was like, that is true, man. They do.
Starting point is 00:44:22 How do you feel about that sentence? So, and then we go back to Manthofa who explains to us that the, you know, it's really the the Western Church's fault for not recognizing Jesus's demon-slaying potential. Right. And he's like, but then God did something that would literally, Darren, let narrator cut some, he goes, did God did something that would literally change everything. And after that enormous setup, I don't know what he meant, right? Because just the documentary just keeps going. Nothing particular happens then.
Starting point is 00:44:56 Well, the stakes he sets up are insane here, right? Because what he has showed us so far, according to his movie is demon filled people in Tanzania, the self-munching monks of Tibet, the fucking heroin satanic cult, you know, kidnappers of the deep state. And now he's going to go fight my wife's got friends. Yes, right. He goes to a cult in witchcraft festival in Salem, Massachusetts. And as though that's not already disappointing enough, he says, and I came there ready to
Starting point is 00:45:32 pick a fight, but he never does. He never does. And what the hell is a fight? So that's it. This like all these sort of young Theobrows are so taken with like military verbiage. Like I'm bringing my sort of faith. I'm going to fight. I'm like, put you on a real battlefield. We've got a problem. This guy on a real battle. Oh, man. Against the demon with a sword. Yes, sure. That's what I see. Only thing I want.
Starting point is 00:46:03 And like, by the way, I love Theo bros I'm keeping that one 10% but I also like keeping my every time anyone ever tells you that atheist or two pushy Right, just remember this moment. I have never been an atheist that showed up in a church in his own words ready to pick a fight Right. Yeah, I mean, I would, but the point is that now I said now. And there's, you know, we don't want to tell him, but we're so deletious. Yeah. I don't want to say that. We're fine. We're fine. But like he then does this crowd shot, right? He set up these epic stakes ready to go to battle. And then it's just a bunch of golf kids. Like I can't describe how low stakes it is when he's like, blah, blah, blah. And someone's
Starting point is 00:46:50 just like, yeah, so we're going to the Maya mortal concert later. And we're meeting with a last-door and Stephanie for chicken wings. And he's like, here lies Satan's darkest workers. Well, but he can't do this one alone, damn it. He's going to need to call in the Robin to his Batman God, damn it. Jason Westyer field is back. Now, of course, care, you didn't watch the first one of this way, but there's a huge part of the first movie that is just this guy failing to heal someone's leg for like 18 minutes. So they repeated it in this. Yeah, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:47:29 Just a little quicker this time where they like Karen hasn't seen it. Let's put it in this second movie. Yep. And this is great because he can't do it right because his whole thing is nonsense. And unless somebody really wants you to be right, you're not right. But the excuse that uses their like, well, yes, of course Jason's healing powers that usually by the way are fucking awesome when he uses them on people from Canada that you don't know.
Starting point is 00:47:52 They didn't work because it's in a cult festival and Satan's all over the place. It's like Satan. That's what I was thinking. This movie is like Satan is a driving car. It just goes by itself. For God, people need to get in and pedal and they just, you know, God needs people. Oh, that's really interesting, yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:16 God can't pee when you're looking, but Satan runs several world governments. Right, right, absolutely it. And the spiritual readings, I wanna talk about that when you guys get there. Oh yeah, right. Absolutely it. And the spiritual readings, I want to talk about that when you guys get there. Oh, yeah, yeah. Right. Because he's like, but nobody would fight with us because it turns out that they were just a bunch of goth kids that were about to meet fucking as best those for chicken wings or whatever. You know, and so, and so we tricked them. We lured him in. We put up his, and any of the act like they just came up with this idea
Starting point is 00:48:43 at the last second. They're like, we offer free spiritual readings for which we just happen to have a sign that we bought. And Kersin, so like this is a big trend in the last 10 years, is people going, Christians going to these festivals and setting up booths that said spiritual readings, but they're really doing praying and God's stuff and they even bring those angel cards and say, we'll read your cards. Oh my God. So yeah, yeah, it's a big thing.
Starting point is 00:49:15 They're trying to, you know, impact all the satanic stuff for Jesus. Oh, wow. So yes, so we're just watching them glom on to that con. That's awesome. Yep. Listen, Christians are original. They're just late. They're just after and just, you know. Yeah. And of course, but then what they show us, and again, they're accidentally showing us how bullshit this is, once they started calling it spiritual readings, Jason's con worked, because now that people wanted to validate his beliefs,
Starting point is 00:49:46 so they're like, yeah, my leg does feel better, right? Right. Mm-hmm. I want someone to go my dick hurts. That's what I want. I want to see laying on of hands. Look, the day Jason and I are in the same room at the same time, is the best day of my
Starting point is 00:50:06 he's a cutie. He's a kid. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, so we watch him heal some people with his fucking Jesus powers. And then we pause for a quick bit from Pastor Phil Wyman. He's a guy who goes out and ministers regularly to all the poor demonic souls in Salem, right? What a huge waste of like, like, I look, I don't like to tell anybody that they have made bad choices
Starting point is 00:50:32 in their existence, but imagine bothering people for Jesus in Salem massive of all the right. That's like being like a German pride ambassador just outside of Warsaw. You know, like, your time and places that maybe your message isn't going to be met as well. Well, but also, let's just stop for a second and consider how they would feel if this was going the other way, right? Because what they're saying is like, this is the equivalent of, well, we set up a big Christian festival in a bunch of witches showed up and tried to change everybody's religion to Neo Pagan, right? They'd be furious about something like that. Right.
Starting point is 00:51:09 They lose their minds. Yeah, but they cannot see it if it goes the other way. Yeah, it's non-consent. Yes. It's the, I'll pray for you. No, thank you. I'm an atheist. I'm still gonna pray for you.
Starting point is 00:51:19 Yes. Pray for you, ex for now. It's the absolute no consent. But then there's this great fucking moment where he's like, but you know, everything was going great. I was healing people. Jason was healing people left and right. But then he may have met his match and it just shows four 19 year old black guys, right? Like the most terrifying thing these two kids could think of.
Starting point is 00:51:42 Right. But it definitely, let's be clear. The moment definitely plays as, and then he met his match. Black people. Exactly right. Right. I see darkness.
Starting point is 00:51:52 Yeah. Now, one of them is wearing a red hooded cloak though, so he's like a satanic and black. So that's like a double whammy. Can we pause for a second and acknowledge how amazing those friends are because that group of friends very clearly has one fucking weirdo and he was like, I journey into the heart of darkness this weekend to see what Satan has to offer a disciple like me and they were like, yeah, man, you want us to come with you on your trip to say? Yes, they totally did. One great guy is so.
Starting point is 00:52:26 Because the other three, not enjoying the films, not having a good time. They were not. And they were being super nice. He came out of his room in his little red riding hood cloak and they were like, God damn it, Terrence. Red riding dead. Terrence, you didn't tell us you were going to wear a costume.
Starting point is 00:52:42 He's like, it's not a costume. It's a holy sacramonial robe. It's your mom. It's your mom. It's what it is. We've seen her wear it. Terrence. That's what I thought.
Starting point is 00:52:53 Like that is definitely a red riding hood, little cloak there. Yes. Very polyester, not breathing material. And, you know, they make a big deal when he takes it off his head. Yes. But if you've ever had polyester on your head, you're taking that off. Yeah, right. Right. No, that was bound to happen. I love my favorite moment here is Jason's telling one of the friends, you know, Jesus is looking over you now and he says, and he's protecting you. There are angels all around you, but not like little fucking sissy
Starting point is 00:53:22 cherubs like big, brawny angels were big brawny angels was so manly angel. I was really worried he was gonna do a black voice for the angel And the angels are all like hey, nope, nope, okay. I heard it. I heard it But yeah, so but but after all this considerable build up, you know, they're we're gonna pick a fight We're gonna go to the blood and this guy is so satanic. We'll just look at his red riding hood cloak after all this considerable build up, you know, we're going to pick a fight. We're going to go to the blood. And this guy is so satanic. Look at his red riding hood cloak. After all of that, they talked to this guy and this guy in the red riding hood cloak could not be more respectful of their beliefs. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:53:55 Right. He's just, he listens intently. He asks good questions when they go to pray for him. He's like, well, let me uncover my head because you know, I know that's meaningful to you and I'm trying to be respectful and of course the movie plays it like even the Satan ought to uncover his head before Jesus nailed it. Now don't leave out that he's slow mode again. Yes, yes. That it takes the guy to unveil his head, to take off that is just like, you know, the seas imparted.
Starting point is 00:54:26 Yes, exactly. Miracle has been done. As though he was going to reveal horns. Yeah. And we should also point out how to face this is because if you listen to what Jason's saying, he's saying I pray for healing, I pay play for grace and rest and peace, right? And this young guy who uncovers his head, he doesn't know that it's going to be played as like, yeah, we fucking got him moment. But like, right, that's the level this movie needs to stoop to is we made a dude take off his hood. Yes. Right.
Starting point is 00:54:57 And I'm just saying, Darren, I can we're all going to be in the same city relatively soon if you would like to test Jason's powers, a pretty good fly you out. You can test it for a week. My dick does hurt though. Yeah. Yeah. It's I'm coming. I'll tell you that. And I'm going to write Darren, you know, hey, boobs are in this city at this time. Yeah. Not my boobs. Graphic image. Yeah, right. I'll get some youngins. So then we need Jan Pastor Camp. He's a pastor.
Starting point is 00:55:29 His name is Pastor Camp. I just noticed that from the Netherlands, he says, I wrote my thesis on spiritual warfare. And I'm like, oh, could then you must know a little something about it. Okay. I'll be the problematic one. Here's all I'm going to say. If I had a list as heavy as Jan Shored Pastor Camp, I would not have specialized in something with an S in the title, okay? Two.
Starting point is 00:55:54 Two. It's God of a movie's not God of a Shimmer as for a reason. That's all I'm saying, okay? This guy, you could fill a bucket by the end of his end of kill. And why didn't God heal that? But yeah, exactly. Yeah, it gets, get a little on that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:09 I want to see the accreditation papers of this college where he wrote a thesis. They are angels and devils and you can't see any of this. No, but I'm going to get a mask verse and what? Yeah. Right. but I'm gonna get a mask first and what? Yeah, right. So, and then he's like, you know, and I learned in my 30 years of studying absolutely nothing that the greatest weapon against the devil is love. And I'm like, wow, so you spent your whole life learning about a thing that doesn't exist so that you could come out at your elderly fucking age now with nothing more than a banality that is so
Starting point is 00:56:45 banal you wouldn't bother to embroider it on a fucking pillow. Yeah. You're you're just the one level below live laugh love with this bullshit. And what I mean in his defense this dude's in the Netherlands where like in 2014 there were more atheist than theist in the local looking like this dude is funny. Fuck it. It's the worst. And he's just loving. He's just living in the worst possible arguments against his religion, right?
Starting point is 00:57:15 Yeah. Because he's like, oh no, my friends tell me about Kenya and all these super religious countries like America where things are terrible. And I'm here in Tulip Paradise where the occasional stone foreigner falls into the canal trying to turn everybody to Christ. And he looks so loving. I mean, he just looks like someone I would not be worried about approaching and a dear listener, I am lying. Like it's just some way to. No, this guy is offering you a melty candy par.
Starting point is 00:57:49 Yes. Yeah, no question. Yeah, 100%. And then we cut back to Chris from Bethel Church. Now, this moment is just incredible. This may be my favorite moment in the movie. First of all, when we cut back to him, he's clearly on the verge of tears
Starting point is 00:58:02 talking about his great love for Jesus. But then he starts explaining God as the in the rapiest fucking stalkeriest ass way possible. I want to pepper. I wrote my notes. I'm going to learn karate and kick God into a glass table and act three. I know how this goes. And I'm getting pepper spray for every one of you. Right.
Starting point is 00:58:27 So it's pepper spray God. Absolutely. It was, we need a man to read it. And I want you to read it with all the cringiest, you know, pedo, gross, attach-rapey vibe. You can't. He goes, God won't let you walk away from him. And I'm like, oh, he let you walk away from him. And I'm like, oh, he's like a fucking street grind.
Starting point is 00:58:47 And they just start going, God will say to you, I'm the bridegroom, you're the bride, I'm the pursuer, I'm the male. This is an exact quote, exact quote, exact quote. In this relationship and you can play hard to get what you'll be amazed by how hard it's going to be to not love me. Yeah. And then Michael J. Fox is going to throw up in the corridor and punch God in the face.
Starting point is 00:59:12 I've seen this moving. Absolutely. I'm just like, we need a restraining order on this guy from everyone. And God, yes. Wait, what happened to the free will? Isn't it free will? or on this guy from everyone. And God. Yes. Yes. Wait, what happened to the free will? Isn't it free will? So now God's pursuing you down every little, you know, pathway you go and you can't say no
Starting point is 00:59:33 to him. Yeah. Also, what the fuck is, I'm the male in this relationship. What does that mean to you, Chris? Yeah. Jesus. So, okay. and then Darren shifts from people who actively hate God to people who just don't give a fuck. This is where he decides to travel to the very,
Starting point is 00:59:52 in his words, the very heart of the sex trade in Thailand. Here we go. On his Kickstarter supporters die. Mm-hmm, right. Yeah, also, just wanna throw this out there. I've got some bad news for Darren about the heart of the sex trade. Spoiler alert, Darren. It's not Thailand.
Starting point is 01:00:11 It's not. So not Thailand. Well, yeah, and he's like, you know, I went with my friend Will and it was so amazing how well he knew the city. You know, he just knew all these little shortcuts to get us around and he knew all the people to talk to. Okay, that actually brings me to my next things because if you knew all the people to talk to. Okay. That actually brings me to my next things because if you haven't been to Bangkok, he's like,
Starting point is 01:00:28 oh, yeah, and we drove by all these sex workers. But if you have been to Bangkok, you know how purposefully you had to drive to the red light district. This guy in some district. Right. He goes, you know, I figured if anything was going to put God's love to the test, it would be, again, his words, sexual deviants and child molestation. So he's equating like, you know, sex work and child molestation is like equally immoral
Starting point is 01:00:57 things, right? Right. Right. Also, by the way, fucking the fact that child molestation even exists, huge argument against the existence of your God and your God's love, right? Right. Right.
Starting point is 01:01:10 But anyways, come all the way to Thailand. So obviously, he's going to talk to a white lady who's there, right, to get a lay of the lay. Yes, because Lord knows what the genuinely oppressed sex workers of Thailand need is a white lady to lecture them about their spiritual health. Yes. And then kidnap them to work in her jewelry factory. Right. Right. They're like, yeah, you know, we try to get them out of sex work and into a much lower paying job that we profit from. I couldn't, I looked this up and it is 100% that they literally, first of all, many of the, they got criticized.
Starting point is 01:01:46 They apparently pay them now, but you know, it's a 5013C. So we'll fucking say it. Right. But like, this charity has already been given several like humanitarian dings because they trade people work for their fucking jewelry work. Like they get to live in a house and you know indentured servitude. So yeah, yes, exactly, exactly. But yeah, but we, and we hear from some of the former sex workers that they've white saviored, right? Yeah. This one chick is like, you know, I got up and I went to
Starting point is 01:02:17 work at 5 a.m. and I worked until 2 a.m. and I'm like, wow, that long can you keep that up? So, but she's tells us the powers of darkness are very strong here in Thailand, but Jesus though is more powerful. It's still, even though a lot of kids get raped. Yeah, I was like, really? Is he doing, it seems like he's losing by like a large bar. This is like a, this is like a 2020 election situation he doing, it seems like he's losing by like a large bar. This is like a,
Starting point is 01:02:45 this is like a 2020 election situation to me. Like the landslide, yeah. So then, okay, so then he interviews this guy's like, so then, you know, I started talking to some of the people who traveled to Thailand to partake in their sex trade. And I thought I was really gonna hate these people, but it turned out that I didn't, and he starts interviewing them.
Starting point is 01:03:04 And the whole time, we're like, why didn't you hate this man? Yes! You should absolutely hate this man with every fiber of your being. Yes! The kid's fucking is gonna happen, guy. Yes!
Starting point is 01:03:16 Right? He goes, well, but what about, like how do you justify the morality? Cause you know, there's a lot of children that are sex trafficked here, and he goes, yeah, it's part of their culture. And I'm like, this is the guy you didn't find a reason to hate.
Starting point is 01:03:27 And that's what when he's saying, like, oh, this whole place, you know, St. and demons are all over here. Is St. and demons all over there are Western tourists all over there? Because they're the ones. Interesting. Doing it, coming from a lot of Christian nations.
Starting point is 01:03:44 But this is when I get to tell you, yes, I was a missionary in Thailand. Interesting. Do it coming from a lot of Christian nations. But this is when I get to tell you, yes, I was a missionary in Thailand. So absolutely know all these streets. I did not hire anyone to make jewelry, however. I took to go back in time. We're very proud of you, Karen. We're glad to hear that.
Starting point is 01:04:00 I mean, I could have had a whole jade jewelry important work. Yeah, sure. Yeah, right. You could be a millionaire right now. He would really help some people. Yeah. Yeah, because that's what that's what my missionaries do. They really help people. Oh, yeah. Well, especially in Thailand. Yeah. So and then we he gets to sort of his conclusion because he talks to a couple of different guys and he says, but ultimately I couldn't hate these people because they're just looking for love. Nope, nope, Darren. Darren.
Starting point is 01:04:29 E. And if they only had the love of God, they wouldn't rape children for money. They wouldn't at best shrug their shoulders at child rape and at accurately rape children. Right. Right. And again, I just want to pause here, right?
Starting point is 01:04:49 Because if the whole movie was like, we talk to the worst people in the world and Jesus loves them anyways, right? He just did a watch this black guy take off his hood at the Lord's might right? Right. He constantly called the black guy a vessel of Satan because he was wearing his grandmother's Mumu to a gossip festival. And now this guy is like, look, pedophilia is going to happen. It's about whether or not you're getting a good price for it.
Starting point is 01:05:15 And he's like, this man needs the love of Christ and the gentleness of a hug. He's all right. So yeah. And also there's this montage of shots where he's just like it will and then there was so much sin and I had to go into an awful lot of strip clubs to get all of this montage of sin. All of these profiles I had to visit to see all the said I had to and then he and then goes like and my friend will who's a pastor who works a missionary who stays out here
Starting point is 01:05:43 quite a bit. He told us there was a city with even more prostitutes. So we went, by the way, like, again, Karen, you were also in Thailand. So you know this, his center of prostitution is pataya, which is like, it's such a weird thing to say. That that would be like and now it's time to go to American Center of Constitution Little Beach Boston, Massachusetts He just scribes is just the fucking a cabara of sex work, but yeah, no, I so apparently not accurate Huh, I think he just wanted to go the beach
Starting point is 01:06:24 Like it's it's so crazy to explain this as the mecha of prostitution. This guy's doing it, the good vacation situations, what he's doing. Yeah. No, absolutely. Right. So we see the two of them walking around town that they've hired a couple of interpreters. Well, they've hired a couple of sex workers to work as interpreters. Yes. well, they've hired a couple of sex workers to work as interpreters. Yes, this guy and his friend each have a sex worker that they're
Starting point is 01:06:48 while they're holding hands with, you know, for Jesus. And then we get to, I'm gonna say the most uncomfortable I was in the entire movie. This is where Will tells us about Jesus'ing, the transness out of a trans woman, I think. Okay. But he doesn't use, the transness out of a trans woman, I think. Okay, but he doesn't use trans or transness. No, he uses something which Google says is sometimes a slur, so I'm going to go ahead and not use it.
Starting point is 01:07:14 But I am going to tell you that it is very clearly a porn search term. Okay. The reason we'll know this term is because it's high as search for porn with trans women. And it's just like these people are the pinnacle. Like we've found one. Right. This is the large bass in the fishing tournament. Like yes, exactly.
Starting point is 01:07:40 We found a triple double sitter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he even says during the story, he's like, I don't know what, you know, he goes, he's telling us the story and he goes, and then she said, he said, I don't know what pronoun. So I'll use both so I make sure I get that I get it wrong, right? Right.
Starting point is 01:07:58 And the very first thing that this transsex worker tells him is she's like, oh, you know, these scars all over my body are from people with your beliefs that physically attacked me. And he's like, right. Anyway, so I'm going to pray for your back pain. These are my favorite two sentences when he was like all of a sudden, I find myself with either the trans person, or the bartender, I can't remember. And the guy said, quote, I saw this was a God appointment. So I ordered a coke next to him beyond T-shirt. A God appointment. I started wondering does God like just like for Christians, does he put like a purple diamond above them to indicate an available size?
Starting point is 01:08:40 Right. He's excited. Hello, Trevor. If someone makes eye contact, it's a God appointment. Yeah. You have to kill this many weasels and bring them back to the transex worker. I should get you a really cool helmet. Right.
Starting point is 01:08:53 Right. No, it's got to get the 14 herbs. So yeah, but then and this is so fucking funny because so will starts telling us these stories of miraculous healing that he was doing at this bar. But like, they had a camera at the bar. Right. Hallelujah.
Starting point is 01:09:08 That's what I was going to say. Show me that photo. He's very clearly being humor like imagine the kindness in the heart of these sex workers that this white western piece of shit, want to be, comes into your bar, buys a soda, fuck him. And then it's like, all right, everybody line up for your healings, and you're such a nice person that you play along, and don't, for example, kick his ass. Right. And you think it's like the hooters ladies smiling at guys. Yes, exactly. She's your waitress, but also you think that these sex workers haven't heard this same
Starting point is 01:09:51 lead in before they're getting paid to do something in a hotel. Right. They've heard all this. Right. And many times it leads right down, you know, probably from will. From will. Yeah. So guys, Will brought one of his friends. He's going to do some magic. you know, probably from will. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:05 So guys will brought one of his friends. He's going to do some magic. You know, he's not even going to touch you. So it's fine. Come on. Yeah. It's will again. Well, I'll tell you what the trans story was as much rampant bigotry as I can take
Starting point is 01:10:18 in a single sitting. So we're going to take another quick break. But first, I'm going to give act three the hard sell. Will Darren trek into the jungles of the Congo and face the true horrors of war? Will he face down danger to document the gruesome mistreatment of persecuted Christians there? Will he instead sit in a comfortable cafe in Amsterdam while some other white guy tells him about that stuff? Fight out the answers to these questions and more. We'll be returned for the unfathomably gullible conclusion of
Starting point is 01:10:45 Furious Love. Tyler, Tyler, get in here. Yes, Mr. God. Who's this? Who's this? Oh, this is Karen. Hi. What?
Starting point is 01:10:58 How did she get promoted to heaven? Oh, she made atheist content on TikTok. Yikes, you earned it, lady. Welcome. Thanks. Anyway, so you earned it, lady. Welcome. Thanks. Anyway, so you wanted to see us, sir. Oh, right. So you know how Satan has the souls of literally millions of wikens and pagans and demon
Starting point is 01:11:16 warships. Yes, sir. I still think it's really weird that you allow that. Okay. Well, not today, I don't, because we're sending in Jason. Like from the horror movies. No, I love that idea though. No, the, the healer guy. The one whose magic looks exactly like somebody doing a bad card trick. That chase that is the one. That is, yep, that's him. Send him in there. I want him to do the thing. So he's the holy war version of saying, bless you after someone sneezes.
Starting point is 01:11:47 Yeah, he makes you look silly. Hey, hey, guys, what do I always say? If your God powers didn't look exactly like what people faking, it would look like it doesn't count. Exactly. Thank you. Hey, Karen, before you go, yeah, what's up? Did you ever do that NPC trend? You know, like, thanks for the glizzy.
Starting point is 01:12:07 Thanks for the glizzy. No, sir, those are for people in the other place. Now that tracks. And we're back for more of this shit. We're going to rejoin the action with talking head, Gregory or George, I guess, once more explaining how the church needs to be more like Darren and before you dismiss this guy, I should explain that he has a very large number of books behind
Starting point is 01:12:32 him. So there's only so stupid he could possibly be, right? Right. And I love how this dude gets lost in his metaphor here. He's like, people don't understand truth isn't a teaching. It's a person. Truth isn't a teaching, it's a person. That person is a ghost. And that ghost is a segue. And that segue, I lost it, I lost it shit. Yeah, truth is not a teaching, it's a person. And I'm just like, no, dude, we already have, like truth is already do another shit.
Starting point is 01:12:59 You guys can't use that and make a person of it. We need that word. You can't call dibs on other stuff. You have a religion. Be your religion. Yeah. But then Darren's like, so, but meanwhile, so we left Thailand and went to the red light district in Amsterdam. That's a thing. Yeah. That didn't provide nearly as good coverage because of, you know, the legalization movement making prostitution and Amsterdam, not only a viable, but often safe and profitable profession for people and of all ages and chenders. But I swear I have a friend who doesn't like it.
Starting point is 01:13:37 I do have one friend who doesn't like it. Well, you know, like there are people in jobs who don't like their jobs. You can make cashier and be like, I had to take this job, but I mean these people abuse me. I want to quit. But he finds one woman who's like, I'm done doing this, but I can't leave because I need the money. Right. Like, hey, me too.
Starting point is 01:14:02 I'm watching Darryl's movie for a living, right? I'd love to not do this anymore. I'm on your fucking podcast. We do things we don't want to do. Exactly. Yeah. And like, hey, not for nothing, lady, but you're probably a citizen of Amsterdam, which means you have like free health care and shit.
Starting point is 01:14:19 If no one doesn't show up and talk about fucking Darren's go T. You know, he's a lot more financial risk than you are. Right. Yeah. No. And you know, she charged him to talk to him. Oh, for sure. It works. Yeah. Let's, let's be honest, she charged him for something else before that. Right. Yeah. No, we'll, we'll give her the good race. Yeah. But then he's, we meet this guy, Fritz. I'm not even gonna try to pronounce the last name there. Nope, I'm not gonna try pronounce it. He's from the blood and fire ministries and they try to like talk sex workers into like less profitable jewelry making professions or whatever, right, for a living.
Starting point is 01:14:56 And he's like, you know, look, what I do is I listen to people. It doesn't take a lot of training to just say hi and listen to people. And I'm like, yeah, man, it doesn't take any expertise to do what you do. What's your point? Do you want to start? Are you asking for podcast recommendation? So it really doesn't matter what mic you have, man. That's the first thing we always do.
Starting point is 01:15:16 I'm like, what's... What's so... But again, like this dude is a sex work outreach activist in Amsterdam, the best place to be a sex worker in the world, right? That's like me being like, I went to the worst place for pizza in the world, New York City to try and reach people with Detroit style pizza. I'd say, Tristop pizza is fucking awesome. But yeah, no, that's the joke still works. The joke still works. And we also, we also meet Matthias Vanderstin and I bless
Starting point is 01:15:50 his heart, but he doesn't, he doesn't speak English well enough to communicate a thought with it, right? I have no idea what he was trying to say. I, these all are blended. Yeah, no, they're really all mixed together. I don't even remember which one this one is. All right. So let's move away from there for a second. This is the first time he chickens out. This is where we're going to meet Shanti, right? So Shanti is a Christian in India, where Christians are very often very genuinely persecuted. And she's going to tell us the story about persecution in India.
Starting point is 01:16:20 First, we have like, he traveled to India, not to the point where they're persecuted. And Christians mind you, but he did travel there. So we see him at like a Hindu temple and he just has this long moment of, look how gross their religion is. It looks so gross and evil, right? And that bothered me. It's so funny. He's booking at the statues of Colleen. He's like, God, the darkness and horribleness here. Oh, look, that's where Mother Teresa tortured children to death. Anyways, God, the darkness and horribleness here. Oh, look, that's where Mother Teresa tortured children to death. And he's back to the darkness. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:48 And he's laughing at, I've never seen anything more crazy. And it was just a custom of their religion. Yeah. While you come here and people like Jesus' body drink his blood, look at the scars in his hands as he's naked on a cross in front of children. Exactly. How culturally purposefully ignorant.
Starting point is 01:17:13 Yeah, right. Exactly. Well, and then he's like, and then they sacrificed a goat. I just couldn't even imagine something. So we've learned that's because you haven't read your book. Yeah. Your book. Your book, the whole first half of that book is all goat sacrifice. Yeah. Also, like, let's be clear, your thing is that you magically
Starting point is 01:17:35 transform stuff into body and blood sacrifices. Like at least they have the courage of their convention. Well, and also your explanation for why you don't sacrifice animals anymore is that you sacrificed a human that was so good he made up for it. Right? Although you still have to jump through hoops, so what did it do? But anyway, yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:57 But then he's like, you know, here in India, a lot of Christians are massacred. You don't hear about it on the media, of course, then how do you know about it, man? But he's like, and we were totally gonna go to one of those places where that was happening, but the trains were like, all fucked up. I was on train. So we couldn't go.
Starting point is 01:18:15 So we just sent our camera to this lady who actually was brave enough to be there, and then she sent it back. She said, and then she mailed it back. And we, I can't emphasize enough, we left her there. That's right. We stayed at the nice hotel. Yes. That I like to call a Kickstarter vacation. Yes. I was a missionary in India too. Guys, it is a difficult hard place. So I don't, you know, long story short, God willing to bless us. And so we all stayed in a fancy hotel.
Starting point is 01:18:46 Oh, well that was nice. Oh, yeah, no, that's important now. Listen, that's right. You sacrifice, you want to bless you. Yeah, I was gonna say like when you were in India, did you find what they lacked was Christianity? Is that the real thing that you saw missing in the countryside?
Starting point is 01:19:01 Yeah, well, when I was a Christian, that's and access to clean water. Yeah, right. There's a few issues. Yeah. Yeah, and look So Shanti starts talking to us about like the again the very genuine persecution that every minority religion faces Mm-hmm in India right now, and I'm like, yeah, man religion sucks Religion is that what you know who's not doing that tour is the fucking atheists religion sucks. Religion is bad. But you know who's not doing that to her is the fucking atheists. Right.
Starting point is 01:19:25 Yeah. She keeps spinning the chamber of her Russian roulette rifle being like, I'm going to get the bullet that's good. Trust me, this is, yeah, it's a good bullet in here. Right, right. And at the very end of her fucking purse and then everybody's house was burnt out and people watched their parents murdered in front of them. But the next day was Christmas and we had a great time.
Starting point is 01:19:44 We just, we like, and she almost trots out Cindy Lou, who? It's actually crazier than that because her friend calls her. Yes. And she's like, yeah, no, my friends were just killed and they burned the village of the ground and they tortured our church leader. And he's like, hey, on the upside.
Starting point is 01:20:01 Yes. Merry Christmas. And he's Christmas. Merry Christmas. You know, God probably wasn't helping you in your most dire time of need because he was getting ready for his kids' birthday. I know that's packed for me. Try hanging up some stuff, you know?
Starting point is 01:20:15 Yeah. Get some hats. Get some Doc McStuffins merch going. Yeah. And again, like what is Darren doing? He didn't film it himself, as you said. And there's no like, here's a solution. Here we're gonna gather money.
Starting point is 01:20:30 Okay, go to this website and let's help these people. It's just, you know, look at this. I'm putting it in this film. Now we're gonna go somewhere else. Well, and not only is he not gonna raise money for him, but he's gonna compete for that money, right? Because he's doing a Kickstarter where Christians might otherwise have sent that money
Starting point is 01:20:48 to starving people in India who are persecuted in the name of Christ or whatever, yeah. Damn. So, and speaking of not actually going there, we cut back to Amsterdam where we meet Daniel, who ministered in the Congo, and he's going to tell us this story that fears wildly into his imagination. I'm just Daniel.
Starting point is 01:21:07 Daniel call me. Also, can we just point out that they try to hide this, but they're like Daniel who is in the most dangerous part of Africa until he had to be rescued by the UN. But do they use a lot of resources that could have gone to say that? That right there. It sounds like Daniel should have stayed the fuck out of that area of Africa, but instead of giving people the help they needed there, we were shipping Daniel back to Amsterdam so he could brag about this like feeling a boob at summer camp.
Starting point is 01:21:38 Yes. Right. He goes, I was in the Congo and the Congolese rebels, they are the most intensely violent group in the world according to the UN. Now, I could not find the UN's fucking violence intensity rankings online. So I didn't find it. I was looking for it to most violent rebels according to UN. And then look, I am sure that this, this is a very hard part of the world to
Starting point is 01:22:06 be in and rebels really do do some terrible shit. But if Daniel was hoping to get us with the gravitas of this situation, whacking a baby against the side of a bus was not the image he was hoping for. Yeah. Well, especially because that just comes out after practically him going and then the rebels were like, you can't do it. And then I did a dive roll. Yeah. So fucking he might as well take out a rubber chicken and slap it against the table with a completely serious. It was like this. It was like, it was like these were really serious, very important,
Starting point is 01:22:41 real thing I'm telling you about. And for people not getting a visual, this guy has white blonde surfer hair. Yes. Did he have a pukachelle necklace? He's very white. I think he just has an implied one. Right. He goes illegally to a place he shouldn't have been that the government is saying, don't go here and then
Starting point is 01:23:05 yeah, using all their resources to fucking get the white guy out so he can tell you. Yes, yes, and he tells us this terrible harrowing tale, some of which may be true, right? I don't think a lot of it's true, but some of which may be true. And after he finishes, he's like, enough to all that. You know what happened? A guy gave me a pineapple. Anyway, that's it. No, he goes, he goes, and this guy,
Starting point is 01:23:31 he was so nice, he gave me the pineapple, and he didn't even have anything to eat. He was starving. So I ate his pineapple. So I ate his fucking pineapple, and then the UN came and got me like it was a sleepover and I was home So and I stared out of the whole fucking time and I said you damn right. I'm eating a pun You're the villain of history
Starting point is 01:23:58 How do you not know these idiots would have recorded the concentration camps on their cell phone and then walked out talking about the fucking Holy Spirit. Just being like, oh no, trust me. Some of those Jews were really feeling the love. I call a nice that pineapple. And I mean, so I love to cause Daniel's just finished telling us all these harrowing stories of dive rolls away from fucking rebels and everything. And he's like, and actually, you know, he had a camera phone with him the whole time. So weird that he didn't get any footage of any of that, but he did capture audio of some people singing.
Starting point is 01:24:34 So let's listen to that audio. And I'm such a good filmmaker that I will fail to even put a photograph of the guy under it. We will watch a black fucking screen for 45 seconds while children sing in the background. And I was like, you know that guy only used his phone battery to look at his, you know, self in the camera for his hair while he was down there. So he couldn't even, he probably didn't even have the bandwidth. Except for anything for audio. But why Darren didn't even put a picture of his, you know, chunky silver bracelet up on screen for a look at or someone eating a pineapple or whatever. Yeah. I fast forwarded that part.
Starting point is 01:25:20 So then we meet Robbie Dawkins of the vineyard church in Aurora, Illinois. I have him down as if Elijah Wood was a Christian biker and a gnome. Yes. Right? Yes. He would be Robbie Dawkins. I'd like to say double leather bracelets. Yes.
Starting point is 01:25:38 So I need to. And there you go. You guys remember that South Park episode where Cartman tells them they can just make a Christian band by switching out the words of love songs with the word Jesus. This interview would have been a little much for that episode. He might have been able to talk about how he's going to lay Jesus down by the fire and do the alphabet with his tongue on his butt like it does. on his butt. Like it's just. And the more described this Robbie Dawkins guy, he's church is the one that dug the bounty hunter goes to when he gets to church.
Starting point is 01:26:12 Yes, obviously. Yes. And that did you've got the visual. Yeah, right. Honestly, the leather bracelets, dog. We didn't have to tell you what he looked like. You would have known from that. So then Darren's like, you know, and I, so I knew at this point that I was reaching
Starting point is 01:26:29 the end of the movie because there's only so much money I can ask from Kickstarter. So I was, and he's like, I was, I was nearing the end of the journey. I'm like, yeah, no, man, I've been checking the bar at the bottom every 30 seconds, too. I knew we were towards the end. But before we get there, he has to go to Madrid, right? Because that's lovely this time of the year. Sure. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:26:51 And while they're, he's going to take us, we're going to follow these guys who minister at a city dump where all the heroin addicts go to shoot their heroin. Right. Because they're going to be coherent and be able to hear it. It's going to be good. Right. Because they're going to be coherent, be able to hear it. It's going to be good. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, no, the people are exactly in the right frame of mind to change their fundamental beliefs in that moment. Yeah. And I think what we all agree, what heroin addicts need more than anything else is to be pressured into switching religions. Absolutely. Of their high. Yes. Exactly. So, yes., so we follow these two guys Jose and Manolo,
Starting point is 01:27:26 and they go out to minister to heroin addicts every day. They're strangely enough. They don't bring food or money or anything. No. You know, helpful. You guys don't have shoes that could bring shoes for some of these guys, but no, they don't do any of that. They just stand there and argue with them about Jesus, right? At one point, they're like, you know, at one point, this guy, oh, dude, we were useless because despite the fact that these guys come every day, they don't have any training as to what to do in a person, oh, dees.
Starting point is 01:27:52 Luckily, though, the secular government provides medical personnel that are nearby. Yeah, he brags. He's like, and then we brought him to the free government, medical bus, and when they were done with their real stuff, we bothered him about religion. Yes. And we had a great camera angle to capture it off. I'm assuming Darren did the, I'm holding it down by my side, pretending the camera's off.
Starting point is 01:28:21 Yes. But it's on. And you're just going to have to hold onto your own seasickness as you watch this guy preach at the heroin addict. And then they even turn off the sound. And you see the preacher guy sort of yelling and arguing with the heroin addict. With the heroin addict that just OD did and then did more heroin and said,
Starting point is 01:28:47 no, I don't want to become a Christian. Well, and that's the fucked up thing is that this guy over and over again is like, I don't want to change my life. I don't want to be your religion. He keeps saying I deserve this and Manolo is going like, nobody deserves to live like you. And I'm like, dude, in your religion, people deserve eternity and fucking hell.
Starting point is 01:29:06 Yeah, right. Exactly. Give me a goddamn break. You going with free will or not? Yeah. But yeah, and then at a certain point, they like brow beat this guy into praying with him and they're like, repeat after me and he's like, anything to get you to leave.
Starting point is 01:29:19 And then they get to the part where it's like, and I want Jesus to be my Lord and Savior. He's like, I don't want to do this. Please stop. Please go away. And eventually they go away. And what's crazy is Darren, freeze frames there. And he's like, yep, I think we can all agree.
Starting point is 01:29:32 It's really sad that that heronatic was under the control of so many demons, right? I mean, that's the really sad thing we've just witnessed here. Or this whole scene did not work the way I thought it was. I'm putting it in anyway. Do you think this is where the Spanish prints came from? Oh, interesting. Yeah, maybe he was just monoling. Connecting the multiverse.
Starting point is 01:29:58 But let's be clear about how victim blamey this shit is, right? Because like the point that he's trying to make here is like look at this, this drug addict had an opportunity to get clean and get with Jesus and everything would have been fine in his life, but he didn't want to accept Christ as his Lord and Savior. And so he didn't, he's forced to still be a drug addict. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:16 Like no acknowledgement of the fact that no, this isn't actually gonna help him in any meaningful way. You're just pastoring a guy at the lowest point in his life. Right. Yeah, I'm really sorry to say that our God works on the same system as that interdimensional being that bothers Superman. So yeah, if you're not going to say his name backward, unfortunately, he's not going to, yeah, not going to help you.
Starting point is 01:30:37 And they even were like, yeah, turn the camera off. Yeah, yeah, it did not go off. Yep. So then we hear from Stacey Campbell of Revival Now Ministries. I love these names. I love these action. Yeah, impact. Yes, yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:53 Oh, nice. Yeah. But she explains that God can't help but love you no matter how much you suck. Will comes back on the guy from Thailand comes back on to tell us how important he is and the work he does is, right? Is this where Will says I have a dream?
Starting point is 01:31:09 Yes. It's just Willie Wilber Wilfred. It is so he's trying so hard to be a little preacher man here. He really is. Yeah. He does this thing. He's like, I had a dream and then you watch him pause and be like, fucking Martha Boog King ruined that for everybody. I'm a little bit of dreams.
Starting point is 01:31:31 I got dreams too. But anyways, in his dream, God showed him a church full of drug dealers and gang bangers and they were fighting and he's like, stop it. And then God was like, hey, that's who I want you to treat. And that God, Albert Einstein. Yes. Yes. He goes, I dreamed of a church filled with prostitutes and drug addicts. And I'm like, that is a fucking blast.
Starting point is 01:31:57 I like this church. I've had that dream too. Yeah. I got it. So. Oh, but so then so Darren starts his little wrap up, right? He says he's like, you know, I was shocked by just how many different races God loved. Look at all the people.
Starting point is 01:32:13 Right. And he goes at one point he goes, you know, and I realized something in my travels. It's not about how slick your presentation is. And I'm like, are you speaking directly to Karen's best horse here, dude? It could be better. I love the whole, like, you know, God can use the least of the people, the kids, but, you know, you can also use someone who's good, maybe.
Starting point is 01:32:38 Right. You have access to Shakespeare. Or tripod, perhaps. Throw one in. So he finally, we wrap up, he's gonna shoehorn in a trip to California for Miss Kickstarter supporters. I mean, it's just the start of wine country season.
Starting point is 01:32:58 No, he can't blame it. He has to talk to Jesus in wine country. So he goes to a new age festival in California, and this is amazing. It's so good, right? Because we see him trying to like Christian people while they're trying to wick a him. So this like ends in like a lady like suddenly manifesting as a snake and she starts doing like snake movements and they're trying to like use their Christian magic and then a different person is trying to
Starting point is 01:33:28 use her witch magic and the chick doing the snake is like I get to decide which one of you win. It's the bad and they do a cutaway to the preacher guy and he was like I didn't like that because she was she was doing her thing and'm, you're supposed to do my magic. It's my magic. Listen, paid $49.99 for that booth. Yeah. He's the male of this relationship.
Starting point is 01:33:51 And he will, and he will win. And if not, he'll slap her with a leather wristlet. Yeah. Right. So then we also, we meet Sammy. He prays for Sammy. And this is another instance where like we see video of Sammy walking up. And then we cut to Robbie telling us how everything went meet Sammy. He prays for Sammy and this is another instance where like we see video of Sammy walking up and then we cut to Robbie telling us how everything went with Sammy. We're like,
Starting point is 01:34:09 well, you have video of how everything went right. Sammy, why aren't you showing us the video of the the claims that you're making and Sammy was is he the real eager one who probably moved to LA to be on camera and one exact one. Yeah, he was he was ready. I've also seen Samy on a couple of like gay for Baybank us websites. So you know, you know, you offered to put Samy on on a screen. He's going to say yes. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. But so then but Darren kind of wraps up with his like, you know, but I, but you know, I learned something here today, but he doesn't have anything. So he just starts doing weird Christian imagery about God on a white horse with a sword. He, at one point, he says the love of our deity, but he doesn't know that deity is pronounced deity and not deity.
Starting point is 01:34:55 So it sounds like he says, the love of our daddy, and I laugh so hard. Big daddy Jesus on his white horse with his muscles. Well, that's the thing he's going to go saying, God rides a white horse and carries a sword. Anyway, credits, and I'm like, no, you can't just, I want let's explore Cavalry God a bit more. Hold on. Also, it's in his mouth, read your Bible.
Starting point is 01:35:20 Yeah, right. Right. That too. I have never been as bored as I was. I mean, this is this is supposed to be about miracles and demons and I'm totally Falling asleep with this movie right that is the miracle of this move Nearly impossible truly show you magic. We're show you that Yep, yep the fact that we made it through in one piece is the fucking miracle. Well, Karen, thank you so much for suffering alongside us today. If our listeners wanted to hear more from you, where would be the best place to find you? Just look up Deconversion therapy podcast. You'll find our social media or podcasts, all that stuff. Yep. Awesome. And of course, you'll find Karen
Starting point is 01:36:04 show linked on the show notes for this episode as well. And well, that doesn't for our review of Furious Love. That's not going to do it for the episode just yet because we still need to appease the demons again next week. So Eli, tell us what's on deck. Well, Noah, it's episode 420. So that means we'll be joined by Michael Marshall for the 1941s, 1941's Care Film Wild Weed. Oh, he should have said no. Oh, that'll be fun. All right, so with that to look forward to, we're bringing episode 419 to a merciful close. Once again, a huge thanks to Karen and perhaps
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Starting point is 01:37:04 Thanks again for giving us a chunk of your life this week for Heathen right Neely Bosnick. I'm the solutions promised to work hard to earn another chunk next week until then. We'll leave you with a breakfast club close. The Avacrombe Girl lives in a mansion now, because she realized that they used her without signing any kind of paperwork, and she sued Wonder Lust films. Awesome. Sammy, return to Christianity the next day and got a full refund.
Starting point is 01:37:33 Darren made two more of these fucking movies and where he has to go from here terrifies me. Oh no. No. It's perfect. What's your middle name, Eli? No, I always call people by the middle name Bethesda, if I don't know it. So yeah, right, holy Bethesda, spirit. No, I meant yours. What's yours? Oh, Rosenberg, because I am the most Jewish human on the planet.
Starting point is 01:38:14 That's all right. You're chosen. You're good. Yeah, exact, very chosen. And my name is fake. So you can't get to that level. So we don't even have that level. So yeah, make it up.
Starting point is 01:38:23 Yeah, exactly. Bethesda, actually, it's, it's, it's no Bethesda solutions. So you can't get. So we don't even have make it up. Make it up. Exactly. Yes, actually, it's, it's, it's no, but that's solutions. The proceeding podcast was a production of Puzzle and a thunderstorm LLC copyright 2023. All rights reserved.

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