God Awful Movies - 430: What is a Woman?

Episode Date: November 14, 2023

This week, we have brand new guest masochist Trinity Pixie for a review of What is a Woman?, Matt Walsh's bigot-mentary produced by The Daily Wire. --- If you’d like to make a per episode donation and get monthly bonus episodes, please check us out on Patreon: http://patreon.com/godawful Check out our other shows, The Scathing Atheist, The Skepticrat, Citation Needed, and D&D Minus. --- Trinity Pixie is available for consulting, education, and speaking engagements on a number of subjects including queer and disability activism and inclusion. Any inquiries can reach her at: [e-mail] --- Our theme music is written and performed by Ryan Slotnick of Evil Giraffes on Mars. If you’d like to hear more, check out their Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/EvilGiraffesOnMars/?fref=ts --- All our other music was written and performed by Morgan Clarke. To hear more from him, check him out here: https://www.morganclarkemusic.com/

Okay, you're aware that you're Matt Walsh in this. Of course, I'm obviously Matt Walsh in. I just want you to know that wherever you are, if it's late enough at night, Keith is doing this right now to me on a phone just being like, okay, but like that's what that word means. And I'm like, I don't know. Are you eating soup? Boo-hoo.

You keep using that word, but I don't think it means what you think it means. Exactly. Yeah. Unconceivable. That awful movie. Movie. Movie. Movie.

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I do have to say not as fun and much fun as I usually have being a massacast. I didn't even get to limp away with pretty bruises. Dr. Justin Trudeau. Dr. Justin Trudeau. Dr. Justin Trudeau, really quick emotional bruises. Dr. Justin Trudeauket certified rat tickler. What is that? Yeah, take it there.

It's actually a, you can do this online. You know, it helps if you have your own rats to follow along. I do. No, thank you. But it's actually a course that was put together by Purdue University, uh, to tickle rats in a laboratory setting. Sure. For like NASA stuff.

First general research. The, um, so the, the, the, the world hunger. Yeah, for like NASA stuff. For general research. The end world hunger. Yeah, that will basically it helps normalize research because it helps lower rat stress levels and acclimate them to human handling and stuff like that. Oh, really? Yeah, no, you know how like someone comes in and they inject AIDS into your brother

and then you don't get AIDS, but they put in the like, you're like, you're pretty chill. You're pretty cool. Yeah. It's like that. All right. Got it.

Excellent. Okay. So let's get right into it now that we know what a certified rat tickler is. I'm very excited when I saw you put that as like, yeah, you can put that as my intro that I'm in fact a certified rat tickler from a real university. Nice. Yeah. Let's do it. Trinity, what are we going to be breaking down today? Well, today we are watching one of the worst philosophical students of our time.

Try to answer one of the great philosophical questions of our time. Matt Walsh is what is a woman? That's right. Matt Walsh of the daily wire. That's Ben Shapiro's conservative piece of shit website. And Eli, how bad was this movie? Well, if you love the dumbest fucking fights you've ever had on Twitter, but you wish there was the world's most punchable face to watch along with them. You will love this movie. Hey, we found the guy who's dumber than Ben Shapiro, everybody. We did it. We did it. We found the dumber guy

than Ben Shapiro. Yeah, impressive. And is there anything y'all would like to nominate this movie or whatever we want to call it for being the best at being the worst at? Best worst interviewer. Like this entire movie is Matt was tricking people into talking to him and refusing to engage honestly, refusing to acknowledge that his line of questioning is leading at best and often playing gacha over tiny things and stuff like not getting simple answers to complex questions. I love, I love that he does. Gacha's that aren't. He's like convinced that he's in the middle of a gacha and you see him so excited

And then the first just as a reasonable answer and he's like, oh, all right He's also easily the worst man on the street like interviewer and and like this moment in the movie where you actually see him Zoning out while he's reacting to his interview. He's answers. Oh, yeah The facial shots of him during a few of those moments are the best. I don't know why they kept, he made the movie and he has like a shot of his perplexed face being so confused. Oh, I don't know if you noticed in the notes, I get so upset about the blinking. Yeah, about Matt Warkling. Because you can see him thinking blink in his head.

He's up, wait, dryness, got a blink again. No, dude, it's definitely conscious of it. And like, I noticed towards the end of the movie, I think we see more of him when the progressive people are talking versus when the conservative people are talking, because I think it's a genuine like editing trick to make it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's supposed to be like,

oh, yeah, perplexed, right. But I think what I imagine is that he is just in constant, you know how they found out that like koalas are in constant pain because they're so stupid, right? Like that their brain is like literally giving them pain reactions all the time because their bodies are just sort of unable to handle existence based on the like really, really hardcore inbreeding that happened over thousands of years. Yeah. No, that's what I think is happening to Matt Walsh. I think Matt Walsh at some point, I don't know when that's what I think is happening to Matt Walsh.

I think Matt Walsh at some point, I don't know when I would love to watch enough Matt Walsh to be like, Oh, there it was April 7th, 1992. At some point, Matt Walsh became self-aware, but he can't get out. And so the only way for him to get any relief from the screaming inside his head is to keep his face totally straight. Cause I think when he relaxes, he just starts sobbing, right? That must be what's happened. And speaking of sobbing, Keith, do you have a best word?

Sure do best. Best I'm going to say Jordan, mother fucking Peterson is on this movie. Oh, yeah. And what I mean by best best, it's Jordan Peterson having a fucking weepy meltdown. He shows up. He's already weep yelling the moment he gets into the movie. He gets like, he gets like nine seconds in the whole movie, which is made up of like three seconds at a time.

And then they have to cut for like medical safety and go to something else and then we'll talk about it again to it. Yeah, it's so good. He just yells three words. I always have a bit of dissonance when I see Jordan Peterson talking because like the way he just circulates and the way he's speaking,

the way he's like talk yelling, I expect him to be like picking pieces of hedge out of his hair and clothes. He's boring. Yeah. He definitely just like just brinning to get away from his CIA surveillance detail and has five minutes before. Yeah, for sure. CIA surveillance detail and has a five minute check for.

Yeah, for sure. Before they're going to get a new lock on him. He really continues to look like he's dying from a curse, like a match. Which is awesome. And it's getting worse and worse. And I and I hope it's working. Seems to be. And I'm going to take the easy one.

I'm going to go with best worst core question. Okay, because I just want to get out in front of this one because it's the fucking title of the movie. The entire movie exists because Matt Walsh doesn't know what a definition is. Matt Walsh exists because of and on an internet that will turn whether a hot dog is a sandwich into a duel with pistols that don't. That doesn't mean that big hot dog has corrupted the meaning of sandwich or the people who think that a pop tart is a sandwich are using Circular definitions. It means words have transitory meanings. It's why there are multiples in the dictionary, Matt. Yeah, so Before we dive in I just wanted to congratulate what is a woman for being our first god-awful movie where I rejected the premise At the fucking

title. It's the best. People try to explain to him in the movie a few times about how like, you know, there's sometimes more than one definition for a thing and he's just like, two is a hoax. I don't understand you, fuck this. Cut. It's the best. Truly.

Yeah. It's like he wants a yes or no question to what color is the sky. Exactly. Yeah, really what it comes across. It's an entire movie of that nonsense scenario. Yes. All right. Well, before we get into all that, I think we're going to need a quick break. And then we'll back to tell you all about what is a woman.

Well, Matt, thanks so much for coming in. Yeah, we really appreciate you being here. No problem So pull up a chair. Tell us your idea for your movie. Oh Is that what you call that? Oh, call what the the chair? Yeah, it's just sorry chairs have four legs Yours has like a weird swamy base thing. I mean, yeah, it's just a design thing on the chair. Is it Matt, Matt, the movie, the movie.

No, no, honestly, I'd be a lot more comfortable if we just worked this out. First aid chair has four legs. Okay, Matt is a dog, a chair then. Um, is it made out of wood? Yes, Matt is a wooden dog, a chair. Yes, oh my god, just fucking idiot. Look, Matt, nobody cares, nobody cares about your own arbitrary definition of chair, you're not a chair expert.

Just fucking treat it like a chair and move on with your life, it doesn't matter. I refuse and if you make me sit in this chair, I will literally say you are raping me. Okay, fine, you can stay standing. Now what were you planning for the movie? Basically what I just did with the chair, but for 90 minutes and somehow dumber. Well take it.

Yeah, just make sure you dox a child though. Done and done. Nice. Up. Up. Dude, so much harder. Hey, uh, Philip, what's she, what's she doing? Oh, hey Trinity, we were just trying to stay men.

You're trying to stay men? Yeah, um, Matt Walsh says, we'll literally become genderless clouds of communism, unless we can do 50 knee touches. And we cannot do that right now. We can't. Whom Sam I, you know? Yeah.

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Well, she does have a point though. Yeah, absolutely agree though. And we're back. And we're going to start things off with that sweet, sweet, daily wire logo. Only once before has it graced our screens and I'm happy to see it again. And then we're at what Matt Walsh's kids birthday party. I think he's got two daughters, two sons, at least one of the daughters is having a birthday. Yeah, I actually looked it up and like he does have twins. Right, right.

A son and a daughter pair are twins. So we're seeing, I guess in his head like, oh, there's a girl part of the birthday party in a boy part. The girl part is all pink shit. Right. A bunch of girls being like, we love pink stuff. We are cis. USA.

So stupid. Yeah, no, it's, it's, and it's so rapidly just becomes this absolute just gender segregated party when like, I don't know, like I had younger sisters who were twins, like they, and they were, they got along and even then they would like want their own parties and stuff. So like, if this was already going to be this segregated, why is it one party apart from just a great question. And so the very first words of narration we're going to get in this movie are being a dad is one of the great privileges of my life. However, it's over the image of Matt Walsh's dead shark like eyes.

Yes. So it feels like he's being ironic, right? It feels like he's got that, but he's, he's about to turn to the camera and go, no, seriously, I fucking hate my family. And I wish I had the strength to end it all. But no, no, that's just the way Matt's face will look. Is a guidance I need for most of the first third of this film. His beard is fake, right? That beard is like hovering office. It's, it's camp. He's juicing or something. It's not real. Yeah. In CGI. If I saw someone with that washes face, like

just sitting at a bus stop, I would stop and ask if they needed help. I would pull over my car and ask them if they needed help. So he's going to tell us about this like, gender segregation idea. He has in his head. He's like, all right, well, I gave my son a BB gun. No idea what to get my daughter though. I made a movie about this problem in my life. And then we get the title, what is a woman? Yeah. And like, I can't really make a joke about it. But we do have to acknowledge the fact that he says, a gun is about all the emotional support my son needs. Or something like that. The only emotional support my son needs is a gun. I wrote my notes.

I can't write satire about that sentence. That sentence is satire. And this isn't a joke, but like, this is exactly why we have gun violence problems, because we don't give them emotional support. We give them a gun and like, that's your emotional sport. You have big emotions. You use the gun. Boys don't have emotions. We have fucking firearms. That's it. That's their emotion. Parable. So the title card pops up. And then we get like, we're a little montage of, I guess the idea is other people, like smart people don't understand what a woman is or women in general or that concept.

That includes like Stephen Hawking and he apparently said something about like, I don't understand women or something like that. Yeah. We did get to see Grover absolutely rock address. Yeah. Yeah. No, Grover's rocking address. And I think that was supposed to be like, look, they're not telling us what's good.

Like look, they're coming after our kids for gender, but they never, they will do that several times throughout the movie without ever saying it. So it'll just be a weird moment like this one where Stephen Hawkins is like, women, am I right? And then Grover's gonna dress and it's just like, are you just using the footage that's on your desktop? What's happening, Matt? Well, right. And is the point like, okay, Isaac Newton never got married. Is gravity real?

Like what? How does this relate to anything? I don't know. It's not even going after the idea of like the dumb definition concept he has. That's in the title, whatever. Unclear. Yeah. So now we're going to watch Matt pretend that he likes to fish and think.

And I don't know which I believe less, honestly. I don't know which of those he's faking more. He says, I'm not very good at fishing. And you can see that because his cast is literally three in, he like cast directly down into the water in front of him. Yeah. It's also very obvious like this man stole his outfit from a Sears catalog. In fact, I think you can't tell me that he didn't go into a Sears and start undressing a mannequin while making heavy eye contact with an employee.

And that's I think also how he gets all of his outfits. Yeah, you have to let me buy this. If I purchase these, this is legal. I have precedent. Also, he heard himself the moment after the cut when he cast that. Through his entire fucking shoulder out, not the worst athletic hill attempt in the movie, but close. So now we're going to meet our very first human being that Matt tricked into this movie, Gert Kumpfrey, who uses they-them pronouns,

like them demons that was in the pig. I'm really glad you bring up, if you actually bring up their pronouns, because Matt doesn't, like, there's no way that Gert did not, like, introduce themselves with their pronouns, but Matt Walsh makes sure that we don't get any of that. Yes, he has transphobic chirons in this film. Sure does. So that's going to start this interview by literally reading to Gert from their website.

And I wrote my notes as a joke. I really want him to ask with those big words mean, but then he actually does. He's like, one of those big words. He's like, there's so many big words on your website. I will read them all now. My question is, what? Now, I also want to be very clear that the answer she gets in this section are empathetic and sweet and full of human connection and understanding. And Matt

Walsh and his audience cannot fucking stand that. So what they do is they turn the camera to Matt's listening face. And I think what he's going for is skeptical, or I'm not sure about that. But what he actually looks like is like he's watching someone turn into a werewolf, but doesn't feel like he could bring it up. Right. Like he's just the only movement on screen for so long,

this matwalsh's blinking for so long is Matt Walsh's blinking for so long. At one point, they actually have the decency to cut back to the person talking and then they cut back to Matt and his body is leaning so far away from them. I'm afraid he's going to fall out of his chair, afraid or hoping, definitely hoping. Yeah. And he's clearly pretty sure this is one of those moments where he's like, I'm doing a gotcha right now. And he's like miming like he's winning it chest or something and like steeply his fingers. And then every answer is just like very reasonable. And he's just like, fuck, I thought I was doing a trap there. And he has changed doing a question.

It's the best. Yeah, he is this great moment. It's his first attempt at a gotcha in this interview where he says, how do I know I'm not a woman? And Kurt again, gives this amazing answer. We're like, hey, when that question is asked with like genuine curiosity, it starts a wonderful journey in people's lives. And he's like, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me,

me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, like he's got nothing. Matt has nothing to say to that. I sound like that. Yeah. Right. And again, I just have to point out that the movie, right? This is the first time he says, what is a woman and Gert again, you want someone to be humble about the things they don't know, right? But sure, this movie's position is if you cannot answer my weird trick question, my 2000 year old Bronze Age book is the answer. Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah.

So Matt is down right, be funneled by that nice person. So he's headed from Nashville to New York City for some answers. And look, this is fucking amazing because, and this is what I love about this, man on the street interviews, right? This style of like stopping randos in Times Square and asking them trickier hard questions is so that you can get silly answers from those people and make people look stupid, right? It's why you can do things like, oh, let's get H2O out of our water, right? That's the trick.

And you do it when you don't have an actual argument to convince people, right? But all the people he stops in New York give perfectly decent deals. And it makes me so happy and he's so mad. It's awesome. He's also like, what if I wanted to be a woman and there was like, great, good for you. Yeah, they're like, fine. What are you doing here, man? He's like, I'm trying to get you to say something to him. And then he's stuck over to somebody else. Yeah. Or the dumbest possible thing. And I have to mention the fit again just because he does look like a Mormon who's on his youth mission 15 years too late. He really does. Yeah. No, he looks like he poops with the door open. Justin Casey gets called up. Like it's the

fucking army reserves. Yeah. And by the way, here's his formula for what he believes to be a gcha. He's going to ask them something like, what is a woman? And if they don't have like a three word math answer, like the definition of a square, he's like, it's too slow. You're wrong. And that's, that's him winning. Like, what is extra medium, too slow, everything's big or small, I win. Next. Correct. That's the movie. I'm just going to kind of brew in the whole movie here because I was on the advisory

board for secular woman for a long time. And this is a question we actually answered. And we gave a very simple answer. Matt's not going to like it, but we define woman as anybody who presents herself as a woman or says she is one. And that's really all there is to it. Yeah. And he gets that answer several times in the movie. Yeah. Exactly. And it doesn't have an answer to it, obviously, for a million reasons, right? And the counter arguments that he might make to it would be

ridiculous because at any moment, the people met considers a woman would not fall into the category of woman. We'll talk about that when he gets his quote-unquote answer towards the end, but this is also where we get introduced to his pegboard, right? He's got like a fucking recochart of womanhood, and I have a very, very important question because on this recochart of womanhood, he has a picture of famous drag queen, RuPaul. Do we as a podcast think that Matt Walsh thinks RuPaul is a woman? My answer is 1000% yes, 1000% yes. Yes he does. I think RuPaul might even be like the one person Matt would accept as a trans woman.

We could break, when Matt listens to this podcast and Matt, we know you are listening. There's nothing that's going to break his heart more than learning his favorite model slash singer is in fact not a woman. There's also one other thing that he says during this pegboard scene, which I just have to point out because it's fucking insane. He says, for all of human existence, women were understood to be a certain certain thing and I just have to point out that that is Wildly untrue just wildly untrue It's not even like the thing that Matt thinks a woman is is not even 50

It's like brand new for as a stupid human thing. Yes exactly. We did I don't even think there's been a point in human history where the in lower Like even one point in human history where the entire world has agreed on what a woman is. No. Let alone all of humanity agreeing for so long. Right. Yeah.

So now we're going to head over to California. Yeah. He's going to talk to a sex change surgeon. Uh, and he blows this interview in the first sentence. Right away. surgeon. And he blows this interview in the first sentence. He's like, so you're a gynecologist in a transgendered, and she's like, no, I'm a, I'm just woman. You can use woman. And he's like, I can't. I love Marcy. She just takes no shit. Like, Dr. Marcy Bowers for the win. Absolutely. God, she's so good. Cause she, like,

there are people, and we'll talk about the different reactions to Matt of who figured it out. My thought is like Marcy Bowers and Matt sat down. She looked into his empty dead zombie eyes. And she was like, Oh, this guy's a big it. I'm just going to be a doctor who answers his questions with a completely straight face and watch him fall out of his chair several times attempting to catch me. Yeah, and like, and it has to be pointed out again, the way that Matt Walsh like presents everything talks about, he presents her as a sex change surgeon, which is not a term

marsi, Bowers would use for herself. She would use that she, you know, she does gender confirming or gender affirming surgeries. He would use language like that, sex changes, it's very outdated and alien, but of course, that's what Matt has to use. Yeah, of course, that would be like a plastic surgeon being like, I'm a nose jobber, specifically. I'm a specialized in nose jobbing. And there's like so much detail here that Matt like doesn't even want to understand, let alone begin like we, you know, talk about

vaginal plastic, very briefly, not even the term we really should be using, we should be using both a plastic. That's a whole different thing. The idea that Matt Walsh would know the difference between like a vagina, a subset of a vagina vagina or like a uterus being a separate, he has no idea. No. I really wanted Marcy to pull down a graph and be like, I tell you what, Matt, if you can point to the vagina on this graph of a human woman's body, I will renounce my profession right now and he's just like gently stroking the edges.

We also has this fucking incredible moment, right? So whenever you talk about trans issues with someone who's being intellectually dishonest, they'll bring up, you know, one of the two arguments, right? The first being trans-abled people and the second being trans species people, right? And so he brings up the trans-abled people here. And he's like, so if I wanted to have my arm cut off, would you do that? And she's like, that's not the surgery I do. What does that have to do with gender?

And what's amazing about that answer is that Matt Walsh's answer to that is, well, it's a weird thing that I hate. So that's why I think it's a relevant question. So then of course Matt has to hit Marcy with his, what is a woman question? And she gives a fantastic answer. Pretty much the answer that Trinity gave earlier in the podcast. Yeah. And Matt Walls just sits there basically shitting his pants. Like if my toddler had that facial expression, I'd be like, you pooping, buddy, right? This is when we run over and start talking about it.

He starts to like malfunction, like a robot has like an error thing because he's very reasonable answer pretty quick. And he's just like, he was absolutely not prepared for her to just, for her not to be the one malfunctioning. Yeah. So I think we've heard enough from the pro-transside. Now it's time to hear from some anti-trans experts. That's right. We're heading to Aberdeen, Washington, to talk to the owner of a Star Wars shop about his opinions about trans experience. Sorry. Did you say like a gender studies professor at the Star Wars shop?

No, no. No, no. He owns a... No, not a doctor, not a doctor. No, he owns a souvenir shop that sells Star Wars toys. Oh, so old guy. He's an old guy. No, yeah.

His qualification is he is old enough to have been there when they burned the books. Yeah, exactly. So for those of you who don't know, this guy sucks. By the way, his store is closed, sucks to suck. And he put a transphobic sign up in his store because mental illness is severely underdiagnosed in this country. And a local lawmaker maker came in and was like, Hey man, you're a bigot. And he was embarrassed in his store closed. But now Matt Walsh is going to interview him like he's some kind of hero. And because Matt Walsh is vaguely aware that most people start their part of the interview by explaining their expertise, we literally open with this guy being like, I'm going to challenge Star Wars toys for 25 years.

Like we're supposed to be like, okay, so we've got to do some shit. All right. Let's really, let's listen up to what he has to say. The kairan's like, guy, shit. Okay. What I love about this moment, right? Because the thing that Matt is trying to do in this moment is even an old cook like Star Wars guys knows what a woman is and what a woman's not. So when he says, how do you know what a woman is? We'd expect him to give a down home, strump and pump an answer. But instead, the guy's like, uh, uh,

and I wrote my notes really in your own movie. Right. And Matt was even like, fans that he cares for a second. He's like, well, what about like other people's feelings? Because the context is this old bigot misgendered a councilwoman in the city of Aberdeen, right? Yeah. And he like refused to correct himself. And so that became the conflict. And that was like, well, what about other people's feelings? Like just, you know, wouldn't you want to call them what they asked to be called?

And he's, I don't care about people. I'm old. Almost exact quote. Yeah. Literally almost word for word quote. Yeah. And then for a second, Matt Welsh adds one more thing and he mentions Jar Jar Binks,

because which was amazing. Like Matt Welsh doesn't actually say this, but it was basically like, well, if Jar Jar Binks ran for, you know, territory council in the mid-rim of Naboo, would you say council man, council woman? And this old guy's just like, I know about that, but fuck you still. I don't care. Why is this the one thing that I should know, but I don't know. Well, I took fourth grade biology in 1926.

They told me penis of the man. Yep. I was there when the scopes monkey trial went the way of the devil. Is it just me or does that seem like the best place in the shop to have set up that interview? The camera crew had to have been doing yoga to like, there was a nice open space behind where the old guy was sitting. But I think they wanted to show him crammed in amongst his junk collection to really get the, you know, the idea of the business owner that he is. There's also like Matt Wall sitting right next to a Han Solo figure in that's like, you

know, sitting in faith, seeing the same direction as him. I think he really wants it. It's just touching his face gently. It's fucking incredible. So with that expertise under our belt, we're going to head to Providence, Rhode Island to talk to Michelle Fossier, a dirty abortionist and gender-bending drugger. So this is again, another expert that Matt tricked into a conversation. And I fucking love Michelle. Michelle does such a fabulous job in this conversation.

Absolutely. Let's go start with a trick question right away. He says, so when can a child start gender changing drugs or say they're a different gender? Right? Because he wants the doctor to say as young and age as possible so that he can accuse them of giving drugs to like three year olds or whatever. But of course, as the doctor points out, kids can start identifying his different genders basically as soon as they can start identifying as a gender at all.

And Matt's basically grinning at the camera like, do we get that? Can we cut that to make it look like that's what they're saying? So this is when Matt asks what gender affirming care is. And again, she gives this incredible answer. She says she listens to kids really carefully, which is such a wonderful, empathetic thing. But again, Matt thinks it's a gotcha. So he's like, shh, listening to kids stupid, stupid. But this is also the first time he brings up the Santa Claus argument. And I hate the Santa Claus argument. If you've ever had a conversation with someone who's talking about being against gender

affirming care, right? The argument basically goes kids are stupid and know nothing about themselves, except for the straight ones and the ones that we confer to Christianity. But the trans kids know nothing about themselves because they believe in Santa. And when he brought this up, I have to admit, I was just genuinely surprised that Matt Walsh doesn't believe in Santa. Okay. Matt Walsh believes in God, the Catholic God. Right. Exactly.

You can't use the Santa Claus, even if you're an adult who believes in Catholic God or any God. Sorry. No. I also, the Santa Claus argument is also just a bad way to make this argument, because he's trying to argue that kids can't distinguish fantasy from reality. But that's not the issue of why kids believe in Santa. They don't, like we tell them we create elaborate roses

to tell them that Santa is real. We leave behind physical evidence of the existence of Santa Claus to trick children. Yeah. It's like Catholic church propaganda, but for kids. Like, again, he believes in God. Santa Claus is like a million times more possible than the God of the universe.

Exactly. In my notes, I had to start making Matt Walsh's argument for him, because like a better version is like, I believed in the Ninja Turtles when I was a child No one took that's much better because no one told me the Ninja Turtles were real Didn't stop me from trying to crawl into every manhole in storm drain. I could Nightmare for my parents Sure, yeah, so unfortunately Michelle gives way to good answers to all the Matt's questions

So now we're gonna head to Hollywood to shit on some more man on the street interviews. And again, it's so I almost feel empathetic for Matt, not actually because he fucking sucks, but you almost feel empathetic because again, everyone just nails all these fucking questions, right? Yeah. He is so not prepared for people to answer. Yeah. At one point, this woman who again, she's like half drunk, she's got a fucking margarita in her hand. And he's like, well, what if my truth is that you don't exist? And she's like, well, that's, that's a truth about me, not a truth about you. And he's like, why aren't anyone stupider than me? It's the lie. She's like, yeah. You're a bit older than me. It's the vibe.

She's like, yeah, so exactly, then I wouldn't be real to you. Or would I be? And he's like, wait, what? He's so confused. It's the vibe. Can you turn invisible? You have to tell me, demon.

Like, he's basically just getting like, you know, a secratic lecture in philosophy from this half drunk woman on the street. Like has he never heard of saltism, nihilism, brain and a jar. These are actual questions that like you lost him at has for sure. Yeah. Yeah, you definitely lost it. You lost him at any kind of philosophical question, but yeah, if there's a hero of this movie, it's this lady who basically might as well cover Matt's eyes and be like, I don't know Matt, do you still exist? And he's like, stop,

stop bringing me back in. You're not running, you're accurate. It's the best. And that segment ends with Matt Walsh yelling just to the camera. Fuck Hollywood and their word tricks. I don't like it. I was invisible. I might have been gone.

I don't know what just happened in a panic. And he has to try something else. So Matt's gonna do an airplane graphic while he finds a new city. And we're going to take a quick break and then we'll be back with more. What is a woman? Yeah, no, I'll tell Trinity we have to beep it out at the end of the ad. Well, failed me disappointed, but I think fail understand. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm here now. I'll call you back. Playback. D. What is that smell?

Well, hello, heave. You've got to help us, T. Um, help you. How? What's happening? Well, I wanted to turbo charge my womanhood, so Mount Walsh would actually think I was human. And Eli suggested we put on six simultaneous episodes of Sex in the City.

And Light-Scented Candles. And Light-Scented Candles, but it accidentally turned him into a woman instead. If only womanhood weren't subjective to the behavior's Matt Liu says feminine from the last two decades. If only. Okay, but Matt Wallschuss is an idiot. There's nothing about womanhood that had the... Wait, are those Lunar bars?

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I'm confused. Why does your Valentine's display have a bunch of black and white photographs of dead mobsters? Everyone celebrates in their own way, Trinity. Sure, Eli. Sure. And we're back. So after getting foiled by random people on the street in Los Angeles, Matt Walsh heads

to a university to speak with Dr. Patrick Rizanka, a professor of gender studies. Yeah. And this is, I would say, the moment where Matt is most aware he loses in his own movie, because at one point, so again, he's doing the same trick questions that he does, you know, what's the difference between gender and sex. And again, Dr. Rizanka give an absolutely fabulous answer about this. It's so good. And I'm not making this a podcast listener.

They do a blah, blah, blah, crosscut edit of the answer. God. So that the audience doesn't accidentally learn something. I thought in a second, we were going to see the mouth in slow motion. It was just going to be like, She's getting the answer to the movie from an expert, like the perfect answer from an expert. And the movie was like too long learnings dumb, boo, nerdy.

There's even a moment during this where we see Matt, like he zones out, like he does that thing where he's just kind of like starts to look down and he jerks himself up. Like he couldn't even be bothered to listen to this whole answer while he's sitting across from the map. Yeah, he might, he might as well be like that kid who's told you he's going to come in for extra credit or whatever, but then he just spends the entire time with his head on his desk and you're like, no, you don't get extra credit for that. He's that the human being. Right.

But now it's time for my, I'm going gonna go ahead and say my favorite moment in the movie, which is where we get to watch Dr. Grzanka be like, oh, this guy's an idiot. And here's the moment, right? So he's like, what if a trans woman has male characteristics? Isn't she male? And Dr. Grzanka gives, again, just an absolutely fabulous answer, which is when someone tells you who they are, you should believe them, right? Which is just like common

decent, right? You can explain that to anybody of any belief set and they understand it, right? And he does, he says this thing where he's like, but I want the truth. And there's this beautiful beauty because most of the pauses we watch here on God off of these 430 episodes in, we watch someone pause because they're finding Jesus or regretting their ways or finally accepting themselves as a lamb of the Lord, but this pause where we watch this professor just be like, I should a Google, why didn't I Google? I should have Googled everybody in this room. Absolutely. And that's what Matt Walsh goes for the,

what if I say I'm black argument? Oh yes, of course. He asks this professor, okay, well, what would you say if I say I'm black? Am I, the professor's like, are you black? And then I was like, no. And then he's like, well, black? And I was just like, no. And then he's like, well, then you're lying. What the fuck are we doing here?

Yes, it's fantastic. And that doesn't understand that he's lost. He's like, but trans people are, oh, they're not lying. Right. Sorry, I became self-aware again to no most fell out of my chair. I'm so sorry. And, and that he just keeps, he wants the truth.

He wants the absolute truth, which is something that can be said in like 10 words or less and is true all the time. There's no other definitions. There's no. This movie should be called a few good cis men. It's just I want the truth constantly. Yeah. He's such an asshole. Seriously, we're going to spend an entire 90 minute movie about Matt Walsh, not knowing the difference between like subjective and objective for determinations of things. Like there are some things that are determined one way and some the other way. And he cannot ever understand that a bunch of people explain.

He never gets it. Yeah. Are they squares or rectangles, damn it. Yeah. Exactly. Also just a little peek behind the curtain for those of you who are interested. We don't argue often he and I, but if you would like to know what it's like when heathen I argue, it's this professor and Matt Walsh just desperately trying to get the other person

who is half asleep and looking in the other direction to admit that what they're saying is not since while entering a psychosexual fugue state of regret and mad. Okay, you're aware that you're Matt Walsh in this. Of course, I'm obviously Matt Walsh. I just want you to know that wherever you are, if it's late enough at night, Keith is doing this right now to me on a phone, just being like, okay, but like that's what that word means.

And I'm like, I don't know. Are you eating soup? You keep using that word, but I don't think it means what you think it means. Exactly. Yeah. Inconceivable. The other thing that kind of starts here in the movie and that if you're familiar with the political landscape surrounding trans people and this argument that comes up with is the sex gender divide, our gender and sex difference. And that's one of the great things that Dr. Grasonka gives an answer that he gives a really well expounded answer.

That's I think the answer that gets crossed cut, but you know, and it ultimately kind of amounts to kind of but no not really. And it's really important to understand that this is not something that's even that important to focus on, especially when we're talking about the human rights and political side of things, because it doesn't matter. This is similar to the idea of sexuality and like we kind of drew this line about being gay is okay if you're born that way. And that's the wrong argument to have because it doesn't hurt anybody. It doesn't,

you know, if being gay was a choice, it would be no less valid. And that's exactly the sex gender divide argument here. Because ultimately when it comes down to it, skirt goes spinny doesn't hurt you. Right. Yeah. But the other important thing to point out about trying to use the sex gender divide as your sort of methodology for whether or not someone is deserving of like respect and rights and personhood is that Matt Walsh doesn't like fucking take a blood sample from every cis presenting woman he meets and check their fucking zygote enzymes to make

sure like, oh, no, I don't know if you know this, but you actually have a relatively rare genetic deformity. So I've decided you're not a woman to me, right? So the problem is that when you create those categories, even when it's well intentioned, and I think a lot of people who are like not necessarily transphobic do create those categories because they think it's an easier way for them to understand the issue, right? If it doesn't hold up, it's a bad category to create for yourself, even if the intention is respect, right? Even if you're like, oh, no, I'm differentiating these two things. And that's why it's okay in my mind. When that differentiation is overly essentialist and

leaves too much margin for error, it's really important to point out that like it's a, it's a bad method of finding your way around this conversation, even if you mean it in a good way. Even doctors like medical professionals are moving beyond the idea of like having sex in your chart necessarily. They'll have like maybe your science, sex, a birth, but rather than like having a sex marker and making assumptions based on that, the new thing at like the Mayo Clinic is they have what's called an anatomical inventory, which is literally just a list of the organs you have. And that's so much more useful than making assumptions based off of a sex marker or gender marker.

That makes so much sense. Even within medicine, we are moving beyond this. Especially when you consider that there are entire clinics that deal with people who have genetic abnormalities that affect their sex, right? So while someone listening to this podcast, who might be well-intentioned might think, well, I don't understand why sex can't be on a chart, right? If you are running a, you know, gender confirmation surgery clinic, or if you're dealing with people who have hormonal or genetic imbalances, right, a sex marker on a chart can be dangerously misleading, right? Which is why a lot of these large clinics are switching over to biological markers, preferred pronouns, assigned sex

at birth, right? They're just using a more complicated thing. And if there's anywhere that should have a complicated understanding of sex, it's your doctor. Complicated and comprehensive. Yes, exactly. So now we're going to cut back to Dr. Michelle Fosse, that's the nice lady with the purple hair. And I'm going to say Matt whips out a brand new argument here. One that I never heard before, the argument from what is a chicken. Oh well, first he goes for apparently a sperm related argument that we don't really get. It's just a cold open on the two of them across from each other. And she's just saying,

no, your sperm don't make you male. That's like the girl don't put it in the same place. So I think what he's trying to get to is like the, how a biologist would identify sex in a species is based on the, the size of the gametes in compared to each other. So like the male could, the sperm is smaller than the egg. And within biology, a lot of times I believe I could be remembering this incorrectly, but that's what defines the sperm producing sex as male and the egg producing sex as female. And this is why in seahorses, the males carry the pregnancy and why we don't define

the ones who get pregnant as females because of the size, literally just the size of those gametes. Yes. You know, if you're going to make that argument about what defines sex and humans, what do we do about infertile humans? And there's a great moment with this, right? Because she says sperm doesn't make you male and he's like, but really though, and she says this again, it's just this beautiful human moment where she just says, you're not listening and his answer again is chickens

Chickens lay eggs. Those are the girls the girls are chickens and the boys The boys are not other chicken So now we're gonna talk to Mark Ticano. He's great And I love how he introduces him here. He says he's like so you're a member of the LGBT community and Your Asian and Mark Taconos like, yeah, man. And he's like, cool. Really, really? You said that.

Yes. Asian. Do you have any questions? Yeah. And then from there, Matt, well, it's like, right, no, I just, I don't know why I like to name races. Anyway, I have a question. What did I point out your race?

What is the equality act, which you're sponsoring and Mark Taconos like, okay races. Anyway, I have a question. What did I point out your race? What is the Equality Act, which you're sponsoring and Mark DeConn is like, okay, so yeah, the Equality Act, it basically says really simple way to think about it. You can't have cis only lunch counters, and I'd like to also add that you Matt Walsh disagree with that. That's what you disagree with. Yes!

That we're doing. And by the way, Matt Chimeson right away, and he's like, okay, but I talk to ladies who don't want penises at their lunch counters. Great. He's just like, Matt Walsh, he's just like, you know what? It would make me more comfortable if you just skirminated it against trans people. And that's the important thing, isn't it? Yeah. It's actually his point. Also terrifying question, because I don't spend a lot of time in women's bathrooms. Do women see a lot of genitals in the bathroom?

Is there a lot of genital exposure going on in the bathroom? Because I can only speak for the men's room. Not a lot of genital, not a lot of general viewing going on in our particular bathroom. No, in fact, I would say there's less than the men's bathroom as somebody who has experience and bulls given that, you know, the urinating takes place in stalls.

Yeah. So you'd think. Turns out back when I had a dick, I never want showed it to a person in a public bathroom. Yeah, like I use urinals. There's not a lot of waving it around though. It's more just go the like, or checking at the door, right?

Is that what those guys with the napkins are for, maybe? Why does Matt Walsh seem to think people are waving their genitals around in public bathrooms? That's like the most important question of the segment for me. Oh, I think it's the porn he's been watching. I think he's just really into that. Also, these hypothetical women that Matt definitely knows they're in Canada. That's why you've never met them.

What about single sex bathrooms? How long after a penis leaves a bathroom, do these women feel comfortable going into it again? Is there a penis like, do they have to smudge with sage or if it's three penises in a road as it become a men's room? What's the system there? Well, so it depends on how full the moon is. Yeah, obviously. Yeah, of course.

Right. Because you know, that's like biodynamic forming. Yeah, obviously. Yeah, of course. Right. Because you know, that's like biodynamic forming. Yeah. So this has all been going very badly for Matt. Obviously, he's lost alone. And then of course, we have to talk about the end of this interview because Matt gets like three bigot questions in and Mark DeCano is just like, Oh, okay, yeah, this interview is over. And he's like, but I just, and he's like, no, no, we know what you want to do, man. I'm just going to hear. What is the word? My tell me what a woman is.

As he's being forced to leave, he's like, I just wanted to know what, what is a woman? And then off screen somebody like who is working with Mark to kind of like an intern for sure. Yeah, it was like, and you're not going to find out. And it's the best. It's the fucking best. The hero we need. Yes. And a mayor literally I wrote an American hero in my notes at that moment.

Yeah. So now we're going to head to the gayness capital of the world, San Francisco. And we're going to talk to a naked guy. A naked guy he's wearing a purple handkerchief on his head. I think I'm not 100% positive. He might be flagging because like when you're naked, you can't just like walk around with it between your ass sheets. Is true.

Yeah, no, it's hard to do that. So just in case anybody's serious on the off-chancey is flagging, that is a piercing thing. Oh, okay. Good day. Good day. If you run into this guy on the straight, noted, now, I do want to point out this naked gentleman is not to our knowledge trends. He's just naked. He's just naked in San Francisco, living his best life. Yeah. I don't know why Matt Walsh has included this. It is transphobia moving.

Is it just because he's like, you know, gayness? All we get from this is a good point from naked guy being like, yeah, there's something called non-sexual nudity. And that's like probably healthy for kids to learn. That's fine. That's fine. I was like, no, there's not. I was hard whenever I bathed my sons. What? I'm a wash. And then he cuts. That's it. Yeah.

Then he cuts. Now we're going to go to the women's march. And I just wanted to say, I just want to say at the outset that if we had gotten to watch Matt Walsh be beaten to death by the literal women's march, this would be my favorite movie. I got close. It's so stupid how it starts to. He's like, so I probably need to go where women are to learn about this. Women's marks just the only way that can happen because like Matt Walsh can't find women

in his head unless he like runs into a giant pack of them like a predator with a herd of gazelles. And it's like forcing him to talk to him for a second. So stupid. And he bothers some ladies at one point literally with a bullhorn. Yeah, because they're like, you're harassing us And he's like, I'm not harassing you. Next, exact cut, he has a bullhorn up to someone's head and is like, what is a woman? I'm yelling through a bullhorn in your ear.

I'm not harassing you. What's a woman? That's not an exaggeration. Why doesn't anyone want to engage with my just in January line of questioning? Why doesn't everyone stop and talk to me specifically? But then, but then the trans is is they take it too far because in the middle of this parade someone kind of sort of bumps his shoulder a little And he shows it in fucking puts it in slow-mo

No, no, no shit. He reacts like Rudy Giuliani getting tapped on the shoulder in a supermarket pretending he got shot with a gun. Oh, hey, right, we do Shbeck's bringing it in. Bring it in. I know you like to do this victimization thing. I have to remind you, after someone bumps you with a shoulder or slaps you on the hand or something like that, you have to not show your team of 90 fucking bodyguards stepping in with their Oakley sunglasses to protect you. It really in ruins your images, a tough guy that you brought four security guards

to the fucking women's mark. The way isn't it the women's mark aren't women like, you know, smaller meekers, submissive to men. Why does he need five? Your holders are wired or mad. You'll be fine. You'll be fine. And the scene literally ends with a big crowd yelling, you're an asshole at well, she keeps the moving. They kept it in the movie. You're an asshole. You're an asshole. The best. All right. So it hasn't been going well for Matt. As we've said, It's been going pretty badly. So now he's going to ask what a woman is in tribal Africa. That's right, everyone, because if you think these answers are wrong, you're racist.

This part just exists. So Matt washed her right off of vacation. Yes, absolutely. We watch Matt. Hello. I'm just being the country ignorant piece of shit. You're going to Kenya. You can't name the country. You're going to Kenya. You can't name the country.

You're going to Kenya? You just, again, keep in mind that he has been showing us the Indiana Jones-esque airplane graph every time he goes to a place. But when he goes to Kenya, it just shows him going to the continent of Africa. So yeah, we watch Matt throw a spear hilariously badly. And then, yeah, he talks to some people who are at a very different place in their culture about trans ideas, and they don't understand it. But I just want to point out one, it's incredibly abusive and actually quite racist to use just people of color as like, well, they don't understand it because they're down to earth or whatever the fuck he's trying to prove with this point.

But I also have to point out that non-binary and trans people have existed throughout culture and history, including a bunch of native cultures. Like really, really well documented native cultures have trans, two spirit, and non-binary people. So his idea that like, salt to the earth, men and women people exist before society comes and mucks them all up with their idea of gender is just like demonstrably, historically untrue. Yeah, and like, there's every chance that like, there are, you know, trans or non-binary people in the recent history of this particular tribe he's talking to. And it just wasn't consistent, like, it's just not something that they necessarily know or kept track of because it wasn't considered that weird. And like, just

doesn't come up that often. Like, there's, you know, the, the, the, the reaction to Matt Walsh, badly explaining trans people, I don't think is a fair representation of anything. Right. It's not a fair representation of what they view as people. It's not a fair representation of the argument. It's just because Matt needed to get the full square on his, I'm a bad person Bingo card in making this movie. So now we're going to interview a D-transitioner. And this is someone who was trans in one way and is no longer trans in that way and can be well with themselves. But it's important that the person we're interviewing in this movie owns and runs a foundation that convinces parents not to accept their trans kids.

So as much sympathy as I usually have for people who have had a difficult journey with their gender, we should point out that this person who's sort of using their own story for sympathy for the other side of this argument, they are directly profiting off of people torturing their trans kids. So I'm a lot less empathetic than I usually am. Yeah, this, this, I was not happy to see a bunch of Scott Nugent in this movie. I wasn't really happy to see a lot of the people in this movie, but that this definitely was upsetting. Yeah, so the point that Matt Walsh is trying to make is that Newton says, I regret having any transition surgery. And I was like, okay, most people don't,

I'm pretty sure, so end of movie. Like, right. Yeah. What are we talking about? And I googled it just to check myself. Yeah, super low number, the regret number, whatever it is. It's very low. Yeah. Significantly lower than nose jobs. Significantly lower than dental procedures. Significantly lower than breast enhancement surgeries, right? It is one of the most happy-making surgeries that a human being can have, right? So if the argument is your kids are going to regret this statistically, no, they won't, right? But, but the argument that Newgent makes over and over again is that they actually go further and lie about a bunch of studies.

They say that all the studies that show kids are helped by surgery have been retracted. That's just a blatant lie. Like that was, I like started to type that into Google and they were like, if you've been talking to Scott Newgent and I was like, yes, sorry like started to type that into Google and they were like, if you've been talking to Scott Newgent, and I was like, yes, I'll be Google about that. They also, they say something that's really, really sort of horrific. They cite a study that says seven to 10 years after surgery is when trans people are at their most suicidal. And that is not only not true, it is a weird disambiguation of the fact that the less people

are accepted by their friends and family, the more likely to be suicidal they are. So, it's actually like taking the thing that is terrible about what Nugin is doing it and using an argument for their side. Oh, yeah. And so, there's something I have to talk about here that people like Scott Nugin make very hard for trans people to talk. I have a friend who is a trans woman who had a Volvo and vaginal plastic

who does regret the surgery a great deal. The thing about it is, but she's never going to say she's not trans, she is woman. And she was essentially forced into having the surgery. She knew beforehand that she didn't want it. But because of the way systems work right now, as we force transition and medical transition to be a one-size-fits-all, that's not coming from people who are pro-trans. That's coming from like very transphobic forces that are like, well, if you don't want to have bottom surgery, which is the general term,

you'll hear trans people use for gender affirming surgery, to have bottom surgery, which is the general term you'll hear trans people use for gender affirming surgery, general reconstructive surgery, then you must not be trans. So she was told that if she did not go through with her bottom surgery, her hormones would be taken away from her and she would be together.

She'd been on hormones for a couple of years, I believe, at that point. And it was such a drastic improvement in her life. She couldn't, like, to her, you know, being forced to go off of hormones and back on testosterone was just not a livable situation for her. And so she was forced into having a surgery she didn't want. It was, ended pretty badly for her, kind of, kind kind of the surgery didn't go well. She's not happy with her results.

She regrets it most days. And it's very difficult for her and any trans people who have these things to talk about because she is in no way saying we shouldn't be doing these surgeries that we shouldn't be supporting trans people. Any of that, her situation in which she was forced, she was not forced by trans people. She was forced by transphobic forces. And people like Scott, then take her story

and use it to make their arguments. And it makes it impossible for her to talk about because that's not what she wants when she shares this. Yeah, and it's worth pointing out that a lot of the D transition or argument is based on the fact that life is complicated and there are lots of people in the world and that there is no one story of transness. And so using outliers to those stories, people who regret one surgery, but remain trans,

like you just told the story about, or people who have a different gender identity. And so maybe they start out as trans, but then become non binary. They go through different changes in their life. People who are forced by friends and family and societal changes to detransition, even though deep down, they believe that right. These all feed into this sort of detransition narrative, which the numbers just don't hold up with. But that's okay because we're now going to just lie about puberty blockers, right? So there's a very interesting thing that happens in this section and you can find it by just googling puberty blockers.

But basically what Matt is doing here is he is trying to conflate sex change surgery, sex change drugs which don't exist. And puberty blockers, right, which are harmless and reversible, and there's lots and lots of science. I mean, he's saying there's not science about it, but that's just lying, right? And he also, at one point, calls Luprin, which is one of the drugs that was used, a chemical castration that we give to pedophiles and people who are dying. And I want to point out, that is true. But that's like saying, we give water to people

when they're thirsty and also people drown in it. Right. And so this is where we also cut back to Bluehaired lady. This is where she loses her patience with him, Michelle. And I love this moment because at one point, she just says to him, I'm a doctor. And he's like, I have the definition of sex change drugs on my phone. And he literally, she's like trying to explain to him, I'm a medical professional.

Let me explain to you how he's wrong. And he's just like pulling up the words, sex change drugs on his phone. Like it's the worst version of like, when, you know, I'm sure for any doctor when you're like trying to explain something to a patient, they're like, well, when that deep says I have cancer, right? And right. Yes. Exactly.

I wrote my notes at this point. So you disembowel children. I mean, I remove their appendix is disembowel. Disembowel. Disembowel. Say I'm looking up disembowel. Just give me a second. I have it on my,'ve been seen from Game of Thrones. This is you. All right. Well, I think Matt Walsh needs a quick break to look up another phone. And he's losing his own movie to himself. And that's fun. But first, let me give act three the hard sell.

Will Matt Walsh learn what a woman is? Will he get side tackled like most of my vision board says he should? Will his beard completely reject his face like a bad organ and fly away entirely? Find out that maybe when we return for the ending full conclusion of what is a woman. Oh man, we're never going to get dates for the prom. Who wants to date losers like us? Well, hey there, kids. Big trends.

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Sure did. Yep. We did. Yep. Yeah. Got it. And we're back. And now Matt Walsh is going to do some covert ops. He seems to think dive rolls, baby. He calls a secret public bigot in Canada to hear about the guy's tragic story of whoa that story. A bigot had a consequence. That's the whole thing. Oh no. Yeah, so this took me zero seconds to Google. This dad was instructed by the court to stop misgendering his son to the media because a fucking course that's abuse and he was like, over mad did batty. And they were like, Oh no, you just don't get to see your son anymore.

So now, now we're going to try and hear that tragically via cell phone graphic. Ridiculous. They just make up stuff. The actual story is, yeah, what do you all say? And it starts with the kid and the mom consent to hormone treatment. That was their decision. And then the mom consent to hormone treatment. That was their decision. And then the dad tried to veto that and the court was like, no, you know, obviously, and stop misgendering your kid. And by the way, this happened in 2018, according to the

Matt Walsh story, they're presenting here an appeals court, like I think in 2020, they ruled that, you know, there's no enforcement about the misgendering. So they like that even got walked back in the bigot's favor, which sucks. But like that all happened well before this movie and they still lied about it. Right. Exactly. Also, I just have to talk about how this idiot dad describes gender affirming care. He says, quote, they were going to pump her full of cross sex hormones within the hour and quote, and I wrote my notes, the things you need to not understand about the physical realities of the universe to say that sentence are epic. Right.

And like how old was the kid again? Like 13 to 15 around the area. Yeah. So in all likelihood, just blockers, not actually any. Right. And like again, purity blockers, we know they're safe, fully reversible, anything else. But you know what isn't reversible is not being on puberty blockers. Right.

Yeah. Puberty is really hard to reverse. Yeah. Which I love because the dad tells the story is though he had to run down a long hallway to stop an execution rather than just wouldn't stop being a bigot in the media. Right. So now we're going to interview Sarah Stockton.

For those of you who watch a lot of God awful movies with us, you'll know that a popular thing for our abortion films is the reformed abortion doctor. And she's that of trans healthcare. Is this the person who claimed that when two parents disagree about gender affirmation, therapy of any kind, the kid has to be trans every single time that's what happens in its law or something. All the time. 100% of the time.

And did you know that the parents who want to hit their kids are never allowed to by the state? Never. Never. Not once. Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, the wording that's not insane about what's actually happening, one kid and one parent outweigh other parent about useful medical care is also important. He's context that last thing.

Yeah. Dads who want to cure their kids pneumonia with maple syrup should lose in court too. Yeah. And then just when we thought this movie couldn't get any dumber, we get heath's best worth. And it's time to talk to the one, the only Jordan B Peterson and he is screaming immediately. Immediately. And my notes are just in all caps. My notes are just in all caps. Yes, sir, man. 100%. Immediately.

His first words out of his mouth are, you don't affirm if you're a therapist, which is so fucking funny, right? Because what he's talking, what he's arguing with is the concept of a gender affirming therapist. And what he is also talking about is a very antiquated idea that therapists aren't supposed to affirm their clients. But is that how that works? How does that work?

Does a therapist have to disagree with you? You have to. That's how therapy. Honestly, that might be how Jordan be Peterson thinks therapy works. I feel like that's pretty easy to trick him then, but okay, whatever. He's lying. And then they but okay, whatever he's lying. And then they have to cut because he's going crazy. Yeah, reverse psychology would work really easy.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. We also get a really cool moment here where Jordan B. Peterson reinvents the word gender, but says temperament as though he solved the problem, which I really like. He's like, yeah, no, I mean, some people have the temperament of another, oh, can't say gender. Some people have the temperament of a temperament, and those people are their temper. Shit, what was my point to me? What am I talking about? And he makes it like, I think the statistic gives is like one in 10 women have temperament of men

or something like that. And like if that's what like that's, that's not a small number. Yeah, that would be insane if that were true. If one in 10 people were trained, there would be millions upon millions upon millions of people. Right. And like, he also at some point, like, he says like that the concept of being non-binary is like really really recent Like it's brand new

Which is true actually invented non-binary in 2003 by accident chemistry class while doing my math homework at the same time I'm actually not sure. Yeah, no, that'll do it Oh, and this is when we get the like sad montage of different intellectual dark web people who have been banned from academia or whatever. Yes. Yes. We got Sarah Stalkin for a sec. Yeah.

Well, we get, we get Deborah So who like can't do science because of the wokes or whatever. She has a podcast now. It's so funny. She has the same job as us with her PhD, which made me happy. This lady is literally telling us how silent she is while her book is in the kaira, like we're watching her be like, I was silent and then her book publication is right there underneath their fucking face. Yeah. And she could get a job with daily wire at any moment if she wanted to for sure. Exactly. Also Sarah Stockton comes back and is like, nobody's

hoxed me anymore. And I was like, nice. And they got and that was it. I'm glad. Yeah. And then of course, because you knew it was coming, kids identify as animals and the teachers have to let them per and meow in response to questions. They have to. They have to.

Seriously, this is just based on that one ridiculous photo of an adult in like Norway, right? And that's it. And it became this giant meme thing for the crazy people. Yeah. And then, yeah, we started talking about how hip and cool trans is, which is like another one of these. There's another word that they're going to avoid using, which is trans trenders that was really popular for a while. And then, you know, but again, one of the things you can easily Google and you'll find all the arguments and everything and how this has been really well thoroughly discussed, but they don't want you to know that.

And speaking of which now, we're going to try and show that that whole people or cats thing is true by talking to a wolf theory. And so for those of you who aren't aware, this is a person who's appeared in a couple pieces of media talking about wolf theory and is them, and they have also, since spoken publicly, about how much they regret letting themselves be sort of edited and manipulated by those pieces of media to make it seem like they believe things they don't believe and think things they don't think.

And for Matt's movie, he's just like, can you show us how you talk to wolves? And they're like, no. And that's the end of the fucking interview, which rules. Yeah. So I'm not a furry, but I think I can speak for the whole furry community. When I say, Matt Walsh just needs cockwawthl. Cockwawthl is syrup will save Matt. Sure. Doesn't this part's not in the thing, but it's a really popular furry meme, all your furry and queer fans will get it if you don't. Nice. Well, we're always glad to hear it. Always glad to hear it. I love that Matt asks actually, he's like, can you like talk to a wolf? Is it? Yes. You absolutely is pretty sure this person can talk to our wolf. There is like, can I talk to a wolf in England? No, you fucking idiot. What are you talking about? Sorry, I just, I don't

know what your powers are. What did the devil offer you? Can you tell me? And of course, now we're going to watch clips of Hollywood pushing big trans with its three movies about trans people to be clear. The point being made right now is like, people are getting way too focused on the topic of gender and they're making toxic movies about it. Nobody, like nobody heard the movie saying that in the movie about this. Nobody. Yeah, it zooms out from the movie to someone watching this movie. Shit, we did it. A dragon's biting my tail. I don't know what happened. One of the nefarious clips is literally just someone saying you deserve to be here. Imagine how much of a villain you need to be to see someone speaking to one of the most highly suicidal

populations on the planet, encouraging them that they deserve to be here and be like, oh, that's good. That'll let people know how dangerous they truly are. Just it's so, it's so upsetting. It's so upsetting. Yeah. Okay. Is this where we got, I'm going to say my, my like runner up for best worst or best best is this when we get Matt Walsh's insane nightmare sequence insane nightmare mannequin psychosexual fugues day? That one. Yeah. Okay. This is look exactly that happens podcast listener. I am Self-aware and I know I know I've owned it. I might use psychosexual fugues day a little too often on the air But he does film himself in a room full of mannequins and pink dresses

While all the talking points of the trans people he's spoken to in this movie play It really is a psychosack. It's literally that he walks through a room of mannequins. He's hearing the voices of all the people he disagrees with from his own movie. And he's staring at each mannequin like he's going to beat up the mannequin. And then he he snaps up from his nightmare. Straight up. Yeah, did not expect to hit that one on the bingo card. Like, I got so excited.

I was like, this is it. They're getting them back for what happened at Sears. The man of kids revenge it last. So then we have a quick scene. It doesn't really matter, but I should mention it. Matt Braggs to us about the time that he hung out in someone's basement so that he could go to a school board meeting and make a fool of himself by screaming at a school board that they were child abusers and they are poison predators.

I love his one thing. He's like, they tried to muzzle me and now they're trying to muzzle me with a mask and just like, what the free, you think hell? Yeah. Does he not know that we can speak through a mask? Cause he must, the next scene is him speaking through mask. He's so bad at this school board. Okay, to be fair though, he is so fucking bad at it, right? He's like, oh, it keeps getting caught in his mouth.

He's about chewing it. Like, I look, I know that everyone who says masks are hard to breathe and talk in is just an idiot. But I think Matt Walsh might be telling the truth. I think Matt Walsh might not have the human brain power to talk through a mask. You did have a little trouble. I liked that the school board gave him like a clock with a buzzer for they were like, we technically have to give you one minute go, you idiot. And he starts talking and he's like, I'm going to use my whole minute. And he has thing ready. And he ends a little too early. And you watch him get mad at himself for not time to get all the way out. And he's like, and

I promise you what I just said now forever., never, never, never, never, never. Never, never, never. Now, it, and one minute, one second, I win. Then we got, we cut over to Fox News. Of course, this is, he has to brag about the time that he made a transphobic kids book that was on Amazon for like four whole days before it got kicked off because why the fuck would they allow a transphobic kids book on their website?

I had managed to block this book out and I'm so upset that I have to do it all over again. It's weird that Matt Walsh is taking us through the greatest hits of the times he embarrassed himself and everybody associated with him, right? Because now he cuts over to the Dr. Phil episode where he just showed up as like a surprise attack against two trans people and was like, you, you defend your existence to me and they were like, yeah, this guy's an idiot and we're not going to do that. Yeah. And I mean, look, I don't want to give Doctor Phil credit for anything, but they did bring out an expert who was like, yeah, just to be clear, I'm the expert. And that guy's an idiot. Yeah. That was fun. Oh, this is when this is when Matt Walls tries to do the like preferred

adjectives argument. Oh my God. So cool. He's like, you can't pick your pronouns. You can't pick your prep positions. Prepositions, he actually says, which was very confusing. As if somebody tricked Matt Walls into like only referring to them as like, be Twixed in relation to stuff at one point and then he got mad about that. But then he says, oh, you can't tell people to use only your preferred adjectives so how you're gonna do that with pronouns. And I was like, because pronouns are different

adjectives, right? Yeah, it's like, and like, like, you know, if you could have a preferred name, like people have, like, even the size has changed your name, people have nicknames and shit that they prefer to be called by some people, like, like, to be called by their middle name or, you know, there's, obviously, examples where you listen to people about what they want to be called. Yeah, nouns, pronouns are nouns, which are names are nouns. Yeah. He even starts to make that mistake. He's like, you don't get your own pronouns, nouns, and then realizes, oh, nouns are names, and you actually

do get to pick those. And he's like, I mean, I just, I just, I just, and then, you know, of course, Dr. Phil being Dr. Phil is like, well, I don't really find like a middle ground between all this. And no, we don't find middle ground. There's no acceptable middle ground between human rights and genocide. He's trying to do what he does with like divorcees. He's no acceptable middle ground between human rights and genocide. He's trying to do what he does with like divorcees. He's like, now can't you guys be trans every other weekend and Matt Walsh, you'll be trans every other weekend just to sort of make it up to them. So then we get sort of a wrap up of everyone's quotes. Scott Newdrent tells everybody that if they give their kids gender-affirming healthcare, they'll turn

into an exoskeleton and that nobody knows the long term effects of hormones, which is weird because we all have those in our body. A bad dad says, you know, people will say you lost your child, but I'll say I was too much of a bigot to change my mind. And I got admit, I was getting a little bummed here at this point in the movie, you know, so seeing all these people and all the damage they do. But then a beautiful angel in the form of Jordan B Peterson re-entered my screen like the screaming, whirling, dervish of madness he is to open with it matters because my government forced me to call people

worse. Am I being detained? And they were like, okay, cut and you're going to hurt yourself, man. He literally says, it's like no, I'm not doing that. I wrote my notes, renowned intellectual, Jordan Peterson, everybody. I love that they gave all the shills from this movie a closing statement and they all had nothing. They all failed so badly for their big teed up closing moment. Yeah, even big at dad from Canada on the phone was like, hmm, looks like we're losing this

battle hard. Everybody hates me. Fuck. And that was the end of their closing statement segment. It's the best. Yeah, dad's closing statement is yeah My kid hates me, but at least you like me Matt Walsh Matt. Did you hang up that? But now it's time at last to find out what a woman really is because Jordan Peterson gives us our most insane answer. He says marry one and find out So Matt Walsh goes to his kitchen and he asks his wife, what is a woman? And she says, and adult human being who needs help with this pickle jar. That's the end of the fucking movie. And this just crushed me because I'm

autistic and like pickles in particular, they set off my sensory sensitivity. I can't even be in the same room as an open pickle jar. Oh, no. I don't know if I can open a pickle jar. I literally don't know. I can't know. You'll never know. I'll never know if I'm a woman.

Should we even be opening pickle jars in general is a great question. I agree. We all the population die out if we keep all the pickle jars closed because we'll only have men in our existence. All right. Well, that's the end of the fucking movie. That is the end of the fucking movie. One question before we wrap it up, what word should Matt Walsh learn about in his next movie? What do you think? What is a blank? Well, based on what I think he's going to experience

on the children that he doxed for this movie, I think a slander. Slander might be a good one for him to learn. What is a slander? Okay. All right. I think that's going to do it for what is a woman, but that's not going to do it for the episode just yet, because we found another terrible movie for next week. Eli, what's on deck? Well, he's after this pile of shit, I think we all deserve some actual beautiful cinema. So we're going to take a trip to the movies, but not just any movie. I think we deserve singing and dancing and Tonyo Banderas. That's right. What? We'll be watching the new musical version of the birth of Christ story journey to Bethlehem. It's a musical.

It's a mother fucking musical. He's, we're going to the theater. You may be watching this. All right. That is exciting with that very exciting news. We're going to bring episode 430 to a merciful close. Trinity, thank you so much for joining us. It was great, thank you so much for having me on.

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Until then, we'll leave you with the Animal House Close. The brotherhood of Sears mannequins still seeks revenge on Matt Walsh. They're watching them. Waking. Jordan Peterson continued allowing Dorian Gray to stay young and happy. Matt Walsh never learned what a woman is, and women prefer it that way. Yes. I was so happy when I read. He's so stupid. It's hard to make jokes about. Yeah. Yeah. I found it. You found it. You found found it to see his answer to a question. You'll see it. We'll talk about it in the first thing, but there are a bunch of moments in the first third where I make a joke and then he

lives the joke. And I was just like, okay, well, I don't know. What am I doing here? Yeah. Me then. You guys just want to watch this movie? Have a good time. All right, Trinity. That's the last of the sketches. You ready to finish up the podcast? We'll do the final third of the movie. Do we have another ad? We might. Yeah. It's actually the first line of the script for that ad is, all right, Trinity, that's the last of the sketches. Do you want to finish up the podcast and do the third of the movie? This is all part of the script. It's like this next day. We're doing and now we're still rolling. This is the scale right now.

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