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Episode Date: January 3, 2022

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Acast helps creators launch, grow, and monetize their podcasts everywhere. Acast.com Goes Without Saying, you're listening to a new episode of Goes Without Saying with Sefi and Wing. I'm Wing. And I'm Sefi. This episode is a bit bizarre, it would be wouldn't it because it's all about us so stay tuned for all the things that you probably didn't need to know all the questions that you wanted to ask us and wanted to know about us probably go unanswered i reckon it's a pretty good episode anyway i enjoyed it seffy did you enjoy it yeah it was

good it was really good so unconvincingcing. Right. Convincing. Amazing. Well, thank you guys so much for listening. Love you so much. Happy New Year. Lots of love. Bye. Happy New Year. Happy New Year.

Guess who has COVID? You. I do. Wing has COVID. Oh, it's horrible. It's actually bad, though. I'm just, just first warning. Start the new year with a COVID warning as if that's what we need. But for i honestly thought have i not been taking it so seriously by the way like this whole time for two years straight taking it so serious and then i fucking get covid and it's

kind of that thing where you're like oh if i get it i'll probably be asymptomatic or like if i get it i'll probably just have like a little cold guys i'm not joking she's ill ill properly ill i would not want to be ill like this ever again i don't remember a time being ill like this really bad i'm fine now yeah yeah i'm fine now but like god it's so weird you can see it though in your face because when you first got here i was like i can't now you can't see it at all got hit on facetime i was like you can't see it at all and there's like oh actually no you do look run down swollen right i feel like fucking shit like my whole face looks like anyway anyway i'm a monster don't look at me no you genuinely

look literally fine i can just when hermione's a cat she's like what did she say she's like don't look at me i'm hideous i'm hideous honestly i'm hideous well i feel like fucking i feel like fucking shite but anyway oh god it's horrible i'm also thinking this is not only a new year episode but also an episode that people are gonna click on if they're new to the podcast in like six months time so it's quite a dodgy introduction from me but it's fine that's fine i mean i'm not great as well because i had sleep paralysis all last night so i'm knackered tell them what happened i had a weird thing i was lying in bed and i was up all night anyway tossing and turning i started to just feel really awful last night i

was you know when you're just worrying about everything and the things that you wake up in the morning you're like i'm that's not even stressful yeah why were you stressing out i was up for about three hours just like going mental this is wing behavior from you i know and i never do this i'm usually a sound sleeper i usually can sleep all night as you should honestly an unproblematic baby i would just sleep sleep sleep sleep like a baby yeah but no i was up and up and up i started to feel myself starting to go to sleep and what appeared behind me was some kind of beast oh god a beast it was me i kind of had i was lying with facing the wall so like the whole room was like open behind me which is never a good way for me to sleep i don't feel safe like that bad feng shui bad feng shui to

start with and i just i i realized i couldn't move i was like fuck it sleep paralysis which i've had a few times but i was like fuck it's sleep paralysis which i've had a few times but i was like okay it usually passes like quite quickly but i've never like seen anything or heard anything and there was like this i just felt like this presence kind of behind me like in my ear just kind of going like sniffing me and kind of like weird animal like animal shadow man a beast and then i just thought this is sleep paralysis it will go and then i just felt it kind of move away but i remember just thinking like as long as it doesn't like because some people talk about hearing the covers or feeling the covers move and things

getting in bed with them in their sleep paralysis hallucinations and i just thought as long as it doesn't get in bed with me and trying to like sort of hump me from behind i'm absolutely fine and it didn't right it didn't it didn't i have had one before that licked my nipple that's you're a fucking weirdo that was your mind you free i know it was horrific i just thought what is this demon doing licking my nipple oh my god and i thought that was a ghost more than a sleep paralysis thing but that was fucked up so i just thought as long as it doesn't lick me or touch me i'm fine oh my god and it did leave it went away but so that's the kind of mindset i'm in that's how we're starting 2022 hey being licked by beasts in the night i feel like this is a nice cozy easy calm episode

hopefully to like ease us in to the new year very gently when everyone's screaming at you to start new habits and you're gonna be that girl this year maybe you are that's great but we're just gonna gently rock you into the new year yeah and it was nearly us telling you to start new habits because we almost decided to do one on habits and then we just thought no it nearly was but that was kind of the last step we'll do that again yeah also like i think we're at the point now where i would quite like to ask for ideas guys on topics because yeah i'm running out of buzzwords over here and we want to do what you want to do and people seem to have so many yeah people are always messaging saying do an episode on this or do an episode on this and we kind of just like try and bank them in our minds but we used to keep a spreadsheet really back in the day

yeah a spreadsheet of like ideas that we wanted to do and things like that i think we used to keep a spreadsheet really back in the day yeah a spreadsheet of like ideas that we wanted to do and things like that i think we need to start that up again because well i kind of i always know where i want to go but now i can't because i've done all i've done i personally feel like i've done every buzzword in my in my space do you know i mean like coming from from my experience like if this is a space where we talk about our experiences i'm not experiencing anything else other than everything i've already told you lot do you know what I mean it's like we're kind of up to date yeah no I agree I think it's um basically our prime has already been and passed oh god don't what are you doing so well if you're new here congrats you've just made it in time I think it's that you like for example if you do

an episode on loneliness one episode one week because you're like oh i'm going for a lonely phase a week two it's like well i'm still in the lonely phase i'm not in now i'm in girl boss phase and now i'm in what my female friendship phase it's like wait i need to look you can't even come up with anything new these are all ones that we've done no totally but it's like i'm not really changing my mind about um my thoughts on sexual assault no it's like well i still think it's bad definitely and also we don't really love to kind of give you our thoughts anymore because we're a bit scared of the space so we like to kind of speak as like i don't know i think we just speak as people that that's minds change constantly absolutely it's like don't take

anything i say seriously goes that saying also just a tiny little bit of um a kind of not even admin because that makes it like oh turn off now but the book club is now open the patreon book club is open we'll put the link in the description of the podcast i guess and it'll be on our instagram but if you want to come and do a monthly zoom with us every month monthly zoom and talk about the book that we read every month and you'll be reading it too then come and join so many people joined and it was just so fucking nice to see everyone joining speaking of habits actually it's quite nice to see i know a lot of people are have been like in a reading slump or not reading

that much me right so doing a book club is like you're gonna do probably one book a month if you don't get around to reading finishing the book in a month that's fine yeah it's just quite a nice thing to kind of bring back some inspiration make you want to pick up some new books blah blah blah i think i'm feeling that even on my level of i literally studied english and i do not read enough like i'm 100 not reading enough i think it will be so nice to know at least i'm reading one book a month yeah for the for the whole year i'm reading one book a month at minimum i'm reading 12 books that's stunning that's way fucking more than i read this year nice so i'm quite excited for um yeah it's stunning i'm just really excited for it i'm i'm fucking beyond excited to start honestly the gratitude

we can't even i'm really excited for the zooms honestly especially with covid guys honestly i'm hanging on by a thread and the thread is you lot to be honest not to put pressure on you you're my only reason for living no i'm joking but i'm insanely grateful terrifying literally the most terrifying podcast you could listen to should we start with some of the questions we asked for questions on like kind of what you guys want to know about us just some nice kind of cues get to know us very very easy casual easy breezy sweet wholesome vibes yeah do you want to start with a cue well i've got um a real easy breezy

to start off with oh amazing god can't tell you how relieved i am to hear that let's ease and breeze our way through 2022 okay take it away this is the easiest breeziest they just said hogwarts house dot dot dot naturally nice nice naturally okay stunning let's just start it off with being cringe oh my god well the you guys might have seen the the re the harry potter reunion but it's out tomorrow for us oh my god that comes out tomorrow yeah how exciting the amount of shivers with the trailer when he says think of your happiest memory oh my god make my eyes water wow god i can't wait i can't wait god it actually makes me absolutely shiver i know i know seeing emma watson walking her little she's wearing a little cap how stunning does she look she looks incredible she looks so good in a beautiful coat i'm thinking

rupert grint looks quite good as well like he looks quite knackered they all look great i think he looks knackered and i was thinking he's just had a baby dad yeah yeah or he's he's like me and he's got covid yeah maybe he's looking like a beast he does look knackered but he looks good they all look great i think yeah i mean they are stunning you know what especially looks great the absence of jk rowling i know i know my favorite part is that empty chair okay so hogwarts house do you want to go first hogwarts house do you know i think you should go first we have covered this before we have covered it but i think they've kind of i don't know get to know us new things it's a definitive marker of who we are uh-huh so in in like a technical sense like on on the official quiz is what we're doing yeah i think go for both because i disagree with the

official quizzes um sort of assessment of me okay yeah of course yeah yeah no no i guess yeah yeah you would wouldn't you of course she bloody does okay um so on the official thing i'm a gryffindor just to flex on everyone so am i officially um no i do see that and then i think i've also been a ravenclaw in the past i was gonna say you have to have some ravenclaw in there and i do see the ravenclaw gryffindor vibe but then i also do love the hufflepuff vibe do you yeah i do i think it's frumps mcgee i think you think it's frumps mcgee because the discourse says it's frumps do you mean like one person says something i think it's because it's yellow you don't like yellow i think i don't love yellow as a vibe yeah all right fair enough if i

was put in a yellow uniform if i had the choice between blue green and red and i'm put in yellow i'm angry what would you go for out of those colors red red is my color in my opinion but i don't i disagree that i'm a gryffindor right so go on your turn well i think i'm a slytherin ravenclaw yeah i think that's why we're so well balanced i agree i agree completely by this by this fake that's why we're so well balanced the reason why this podcast is working because she's a Slytherin Ravenclaw and she's a Gryffindor Ravenclaw it's because we decided oh my god I'm sad well do you guys see that for us let us know don't be cruel though if you want to be like no way you guys both wouldn't even be in Hogwarts you're both muggles like don't be cunts but okay I love that as a starter if you could teach any subject at hogwarts what would it be just off the top of my head teach yeah because

i've never identified as a teacher but now i'm stepping into now i'm 25 years of age i'm stepping into a teaching role i'm not like this i've got a new position teaching position what is it you've been doing your pcg or whatever it's called is that it't know what it's called yet. Is that it? I don't know. PGE. PGE. I don't know what it is. Anyway, that's funny. You're going to choose something boring like I want to be the groundskeeper.

I'll be the chef. I'll do Christmas dinner every day. I think they have magic food anyway. There's one chef cooking up that banquet. She's knackered oh my god speaking of chef i did make this is how you know i'm feeling better because yes i made the the day before i really was not well enough to make anything yes i made the best soup and i've made a lot of good soups in my life i made the best soup i've ever had in my life what was it well it tasted like

i used to make chicken soup back in the day when i wasn't veegs and it tasted like that but it's a real soupy soup it's a real veggie what was in a brothy kind of vibe not like a stew yum i think this is where i fear soup in my life i think i'm not a very soupy girl because i fear it as in i would never pick it on a menu if someone said we're having that for dinner is that your sleep paralysis demon is my new boggart soup good soup i think i would prefer like a brothy vibe but whenever i've been served soup it's more like a stew and i just can't like can't really roll with that as a item it's a bowl of brown yeah no i don't like that it's abnegation vibes yeah no i can't be doing an abnegation vibe well that's why i like noodles as well because i like a brothy kind of rameny vibe 100 it was really good why did i bring up soup oh because i'm the chef at hogwarts of course no maybe divination

quite cute yeah that's quite good that's quite good it's quite a good one although i don't want to do the whole like there will come once more yeah she does my throat's not good enough to do that yeah i don't love that i used to go down a storm in primary school because i would do like an impression of her go on do it and i made up a song called the grim oh my god and it would go why have you kept this from us i don't know why i think maybe i've spoken about this before but it was like a it was kind of my party trick go on go on i would go the grim the grim the grim the grim the grim the tune of the pink so weird and i would kind of walk around like like a little woman looking all spooky yeah wow it was like my party trick it would go down an absolute storm in the playground well i'm sure it's going down a storm on this podcast highlights make a reel out of that so embarrassing and then i would do like a bit like the song would stop and then i would say like

and look beyond the future oh nice nice yeah i think that would be my sub well i wouldn't tell people they've got the grim i would kind of tell people they've got amazing things coming their way yeah future you deserve amazing things guys they're all coming your way you're like nobody's coming harry nobody's coming harry you're gonna do amazing yeah this next year is looking amazing for you i mean it yeah what would you be um i think i would be doing potions nice yeah good just me and snape hanging out oh love it wouldn't mind doing something to do with the quidditch team like maybe i volunteer their part-time doing the quidditch team and say i want a nice clean game from all of you and then i throw it up from all of you yeah that's good that would be quite a fun thing to do nice oh i

like that okay nice we're all getting to know each other here and the script of every harry potter film okay this question is taking us a bit deeper but still light light as a feather lovely i just thought it was too beautiful not to say i love this question how do you think you will have changed by the end of 2022 oh you can tell a lot about us by that do i mean by the answer but also as we say take a pinch of salt take it with honestly a heap don't hold us to it i don't know do you want to start yeah i just the problem is i didn't think of anything let me think yeah me too it's like i think there are a few things really go on then you go please there are a few things go on there

are a few things i would really i think i spoke about in a few episodes ago though I would like to have more stability in my life I would not like to feel like I'm hanging on by a thread at every moment I would like there to be quite a few threads that I'm hanging on yeah it would be great I would love to I don't know I would I would still like to be in the house that I'm in because I've just moved to this stunning house I would love to still be here and it feels more like home and I've settled more in London and like I utilize the fact I live in London more that's something that I really want to do I really want to utilize the fact I'm literally in London I would love the pandemic to feel slightly more oh my god um less restrictive and more like we've got some kind of

grip on it and just come to an acceptance in my life i think that was that's what i would love i would like to mentally be more accepting less of a kind of obsessive like you have to do this you have to just be more fluid with my thinking and kind of cure my body dysmorphia just a cherry on top cure my lifelong issues at the top of the list where do you what do you think will have like is that what you think or is that what you hope for because i think that for you oh that's what i hope that's what i hope yeah and i think that's all achievable maybe not cure my body dysmorphia but i think that's all um achievable i would love to be in that position you're on the right track yeah i don't know what i think will happen though i fucking hope that i have all of that stuff what about you i think i will just be you

kind of said this but just be more accepting of things and like mostly just of myself and my own life literally yeah um because i don't get i don't have any problem accepting anybody else or like anything else it's literally i think it's just myself yeah the problem starts and ends with me but i feel like i almost feel like this year i'm kind of making it like a i'm being quite not even vocal but just like i'm gonna be quite firm about basically just like not losing losing out on my life because i'm too focused about everyone else or like what everyone else might think or like making sure that's okay for everyone else or blah blah blah do you know what i mean i think this is something i've been thinking

about so much i think we probably both just think about this a lot because it's just like in our nature slash i think we're i don't know i have a thing about intention in the new year and also with just like the accepting that not everyone is gonna get it and i think i've been in the last few years quite obsessed with like trying to force people to see my perspective or like yeah because clearly I feel stressed out that I'm not doing like a normal thing like I live with people that are doing normal jobs all my friends are doing normal jobs like following a normal thing not all your friends not all well you're here no not all of them not all of them I think I feel pressured to be like oh maybe I should be doing that maybe I should be doing that and i think now i i'm coming to the thing of you're

following what's right for you and that's all you can do and there's no point trying to force people to understand why you're doing it it only matters that you see the logic and you see the the love and the real and the reality of what you want to do and that's the only thing yeah because i completely i just think that we would be thinking that wouldn't we because we feel nuts well i'm not really thinking that oh you're not thinking that no that's not really it for me but i i definitely get that for you like i i i love that and i agree that that's a massive thing but mine is more like just more about um i don't know just like i just like i have to back myself. Yeah. Like, oh, I'm ill. So I'm not I'm this is what I'm gonna I'm gonna make myself a vegetable soup. Yeah, I'm gonna play Animal

Crossing all day. And I'm gonna be I'm gonna be firm about it when I tell you that or like in three months time when I'm feeling ill again, and it's not COVID. It's not this like, but it's whatever. I'm gonna be firm about taking space. I'm gonna just be a bit more not demanding, because i'm not necessarily demanding anything of other people i just want to be able to see what i need and want for myself and be able to give that to myself without being embarrassed 100 you know what it is it's not gaslighting yourself yeah which is very hard it's not being like oh i'm ill but i'm probably not that ill and i can probably you know i should probably do that thing it's like well no people will be like oh well you're fine like you should

come you should come no i'm not going yeah yeah no i'm fine actually i'm coming like it's my it's your decision i'm comfortable in my choices i'm not gonna be wavered by trying to make someone else more comfortable with me i think that's something everyone should do to be honest like i so think that one of the hardest things on earth is to and that that is kind of what i'm getting at with for example yeah being like i'm gonna back myself like i don't need to explain this i'm gonna back myself definitely that's a part of it isn't it of course that's like the part i think i'm thinking about at the moment yeah or like for the last year has been a theme um of having to back this up to people this yeah but i definitely think in all aspects like i need to back up i i can't like you

even saying animal crossing i over christmas was like okay i'm gonna play animal crossing like i'd really planned out what i was gonna do with my island all of this stuff i was like okay watching these island tours i'm gonna do this no the second i turn my switch on the amount of guilt that i'm overwhelmed with of wasting my time and all of this stuff is insane and just the nice how nice it would be to be able to be like no i'm backing myself in the fact i want to play animal crossing it's my decision it's my life it's my fucking switch and it's my fucking island i get to do what i want here who is resident representative here me i am resident representative tom nook placed me officially in charge so it's my island tom nook didn't choose you did he no he chose me so it's

my fucking island my life marshall it's not your island who named the island laputa i named laputa marshall get your fucking hands off bitch it's my island so fair enough i can't even do that marshall's gaslighting me tomlicks timmy and tommy have got their little eyes on me making me feel guilty little eyes on you oh god but that's the thing it's just it's weird isn't it i think i don't know i think we just we get convinced that like weird things matter when they don't matter it's very it's really strange that is so fucking true like we're fools fools we're so easily convinced that like these minute dumb details matter or make a difference in your

life. They don't fucking matter. I completely, I think this is also one of the things, like I think I'm just trying to be quite intentional and quite, my main thing is I'm gonna be intentional and aligned with myself. Yeah. I like this one because we usually do this off the podcast before we start recording, but today was like a bit of a let's get in and out because Wing's got COVID and she's not feeling great. Sl was being lipped licked by a demon all night i literally said i need this to be an in and out job yeah 100 with love and in and out job 100 um so they said favorite thing about yourselves and each other heart but i think we should just do favorite things about each other yeah i agree because it's just like i can't be asked to be like my hair yeah same it's not my hair but do you know what i mean

yeah i could give you a weird little answer but you don't want that yeah um right now it's gonna be my immune system i'm so grateful like for this body for keeping me going yeah i feel like i always give you the same ones so we have this did we talk about bread for the table and compliments to the chef yeah we have spoken about bread for the table before so the game is called i didn't know it was called bread for the table but it's called compliments to the chef but the first oh it's called compliments to the chef this is the game we play before we record to get us in the mindset it's kind of a tournament really it's a bonanza it's a real bonanza and the first part is called bread for the table because that's like

the starter why do we name everything we do about food this part of the conversation is called bread for the table so that's really weird compliments of the chef is a great name it's a great name and we play it every every fucking wednesday every time we record yeah so compliments for the chef is basically we just we give each other a compliment but we start off with just some bread for the table it's you're beautiful now your starter is this and then your main course is this and then we do a little bit of dessert we just keep it going the compliments they just start flowing for some reason we yeah we make it a uh a food metaphor don't know why yeah i don't know why acas powers the world's best podcasts.

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do you know what I mean? Like I go big, you go small and like niche yeah i think of them just like around my day i'm like okay that can be her bread for the table like i love that about her and that can be like a little dessert cherry on top and like that one's the main course for sure well this is favorite this is our favorite thing about each other so this is this has to be a big one okay so this is the main course yeah okay no bread for the table today no just straight it isn't it an out job it's a mcdonald's yeah it is okay let me think it's funny the silence i know because we're really thinking deep in thought oh it's so hard

because i can't give one favorite thing there's like there's there's do you mean there are some real favorite things here that can't not be said because of because i'm saying one thing do you know i mean i know i agree my favorite thing about you is just who you are it's just who you are do you know what i mean like it's just who you are like what am i supposed to say what am i supposed to do with that it's just your fabric of your being i'm doing a little hand motion like i don't know oh i'll come let me yeah go on you go it is just kind of one of the things but this is a big one you are like incredibly you make a big thing out of things that aren't like small things to other people so when nothing matters i'm making it a big deal but in the best way like for example you had a vegetable soup and it is i am making a vegetable

soup i made the best vegetables i am eating my vegetable vegetable soup i am thinking about vegetable soup like you are really you really love what you do like so you when you say things like this i'm like she does not know me at all like who is who is she talking about it's so weird this is how i see you you really don't do anything half-hearted everything you do scoff she's shaking her head you don't everything you do is a thing right you don't you don't live casually i don't think i think you live in a stunning way that's like everything gets its time in the sun. Can you give me an example that's not vegetable soup? Yeah, because it's not necessarily vegetable soup. Let me give you an example.

Well, you're just one of the people that I like talking to. Well, you pretty much are the person that I love talking about like a thing the most because you'll go in on it. Like, for example, the all too well music video the 10 minute version video it's not just oh i liked that it was a video which isn't what most people say sadie sink was stunning did i know brian words can't describe his beauty no i was sending you links of previous songs and it's a whole extravaganza of stuff and it's analysis of i love the part closing great the reeling and the emotions but it's always just like a big everything's a big thing which i love because

i think so many people are tempted to enjoy something and then brush it under the rug you really do indulge intentionally in what you love can i can i go into my favorite thing about you then because i think my favorite thing about you is probably that you're probably the only person that i do that with then because i don't think this is a descriptor of me i think you've i think the question was what is your favorite thing about wing and you said your favorite thing about yourself that comes out through wing no no no it's not me though because i don't do that with other people right neither do i so i think that's our relationship i don't do that with other people right neither do i so i think that's our relationship i don't think that's us i think that's our thing that's so interesting

yeah i think that's the thing about us who else am i doing that with tell me no one yeah no one yeah i think and i i think with us there's no embarrassment i know that like even if you don't give a shit about something yeah I know and even if it might be boring to you I know you'll humor me for 20 minutes for sure for sure whereas with anyone I was like maybe it's just because I value their time differently maybe we just don't value each other's time no but I think it's that we I mean i guess it's partly because we like hearing each other's thoughts which makes sense for having a podcast together but i think we enjoy going into things together yeah because i'm not i don't do that with other people i don't necessarily mean that

because i agree that we do do that as in we'll go into a topic and we'll discuss it till the cows come home 100 but i think you and your life you really do or the way i see your life i think you do you don't make things small you don't diminish things you allow things to be as they are or make them like you make them a thing yeah it's very fascinating i don't understand well let me give you my favorite thing about you you're also very kind and stunning and just amazing thank you thank you thank you thank you my favorite thing about you which is one just one of the many favorite things that I have is that you really bring me something to my life just thinking about how you impact me I think you bring something not just to me but to everyone that meets you and I assume for everyone

who gets to listen to your podcast you bring something that they've never had before they've never felt that way about their life before they've never felt that way about themselves before i feel like you give people some sort of medicine some sort of um potion potions master i think you your energy is very quite exhilarating actually i think you really light people up sorry i'm clicking that's probably annoying but it's a clickable energy i think i think you light people up to make them see themselves in a new way because i think they see you and they think i don't know i don't know if it's you set some sort of example that lets people know that they can do things like it's okay to get what you want god because i never felt that way

until i started you were rubbing off on me you know god well again i don't see myself in that at all how the course you do of course you do i see i definitely see medicine man yeah yes and and the energy the pizzazz i definitely have pizzazz i definitely know you yes of course i knew you'd like that i know i've got pizzazz yeah and i think people see you and they see and they see that you love your pizzazz and they think oh well i've got pizzazz as well i'll show my pizzazz off as well then i think you make people feel well i mean it's kind of the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me so thank you thanks well i want to give you a nicer one because no i think we're done now okay you've had your fill well sorry the our main course was actually just bread for the table but i don't think we can do that anymore people are gonna be sick

this is what i mean by we speak to each other like we're in marriage counseling we really do though it's it's insane the way we speak to each other it's so weird take three hello oh take three sorry what the hell did you say hello i said hello are we recording that i don't know why i said hello yeah sorry hello i thought someone had walked in i was like okay sorry i'm i'm i'm really really not with it hello well hello to you too okay sorry i mean we just had a literal 10 minute break we're not 10 10 minutes about 10 seconds honestly 10 seconds yeah right this question we get all the time and i think it has to be answered in the get to Know Us episode.

Since when do we know each other? How did we meet? That sort of thing. We met at uni. We met at uni in first year, but we didn't become friends until third year. Third year, yeah. We were just random acquaintances for two whole years.

We were ships in the night. Honestly. And we were like friends of friends. Like we... Yeah, we were in my... Essentially, we were in a group together. Vicinity. But we didn't ever speak. I knew name well yeah i knew your name i knew but you definitely knew my name yeah of course i did you know i did i did i did i definitely knew my name i did i did yeah no we knew each other but it was kind of do you want to tell the story of when i saw you and i said yeah yeah classic story because that's the only story we've got there's so many stories but

when i first saw wing from far away i saw her and i was sitting next to my friend and i was sitting on her right and i saw wing and i sent to my friend i wrote on i whispered in her ear we were all in a circle like a some sort of drinking game maybe i think wing was sitting on my friend's left you're gonna say on my friend's lap i was gonna say whoa was i on her left and i was sitting next to her on the right and i just whispered in my friend's ear the girl to your right looks like selena gomez oh i thought you wrote it down i think i whispered it or maybe i showed her a note on my phone or something that said like yeah i thought it was a note on your phone the girl on your left looks like selena on your right looks like selena gomez which is funny

that you took that it would be amazing if you still had that note i don't know if i do maybe i do you definitely won't no but it was just quite funny we were just kind of laughing because it looked like because my friend for ages thought that i had just said that i looked like selena gomez like don't you by the way don't you because she was the girl on her right like selena gomez classic story we've told it a million times so it's losing its um the girl on your right it's not really landing i feel no you've still got the pizzazz. Still got the pizzazz. Never lose your pizzazz.

So that was my first impression of Wing, which I think is most people's impression of you, that you look like Selena Gomez. My first impression of you was that you had Star Wars shoes. Very different impression. She has Star Wars shoes. That's like the weirdest thing ever. I remember thinking, huh, this girl's got some pizzazz.

But I was, I remember being actually like, I took time to basically, Sephia spent like £100 on these Star Wars shoes. This was the icebreaker. This is when I had money when I was working before I was a student. Yeah. And she bought these Star Wars shoes. Fair enough. That were cool.

They were. They sound horrendous. Well, I'm surprised actually, cool they were they sound horrendous well i'm surprised actually because they were like little you've you've not really you don't have any other shoes like that not at all and i sold them not just because they've got star wars on them but you didn't i don't think you like the shape of the shoe i don't you're so right it was the shape of the shoe that i didn't like the r2d2 wasn't a problem the shape of that it wasn't r2d2 i wanted the r2d2 ones it was c3po but it was shape of that. It wasn't R2-D2. I wanted the R2-D2 ones.

No, it was C3PO. But it was C3PO because the R2-D2 ones were sold out. So I got the C3PO ones because C3PO reminds me of my grandma. They have the exact same mannerisms. I love C3PO. Exact same mannerisms of my grandma. If you met her and just way of speaking, literally robotic, she is kind of C3PO. So I got those shoes and I was like this is so fun but i was gutted to hear that this young lady sat across from me had spent a hundred pounds on

these shoes that she obviously loved star wars she loved them i don't love star wars and they were bold shoes fair enough you do of course you spent a hundred pounds on the shoes i don't she refused to wear them and i thought that was a real shame i thought it was like their society goes again but another woman down you know and i agree i agree but i was a fresher and i didn't want to be embarrassed and then you got rid of them well i did like them and i bought them but this is why you're special because you didn't want to be embarrassed fair enough but you you had them in your wardrobe and you didn't hide them you let everyone in your flat know that you had them you made a joke out of it you like used it as a funny thing yeah so you you were embarrassed enough to not wear them but you were like confident enough

to use it as a joke use it as your pizzazz which i thought was funny also i think here's my thing with them it's not even that i don't didn't like them it was that i would prefer them to be a different shape definitely but because they were quite a pump. It's funny to think they are completely pumps, yeah. And I'm more of a trainer kind of boot girl now. When would you be wearing pumps? You wouldn't be wearing pumps. If those were C3PO boots, I'd be wearing them to this day, for sure.

Yeah, I can see that. But I'm seeing those. Basically, they're by a shoe company that I really do like called A Regular Choice, which do sell insane shoes. There's one in Brighton and there's one in like Camden, I think, A Regular Choice. They're a known company. And I've always kind of had a vision of for an event, for example, you wear like a black, very simple dress with a pair of A Regular Choice shoes.

So I still have that vision. I think I will do that one day. But it needs to be with such a simple outfit like they don't work with any other cut like it needs to be those are the statement the pumps were almost a bit too smart it's yeah you need to be wearing like a big chunky boot or trainer from there so like somewhat insane but i do love the vibe with a very simple look maybe a red lip that. That's what I'm seeing. Hi, pony. It's funny to talk about Star Wars shoes, but the problem with them is the shape. The cut is all wrong.

But the concept, love it. I do love the concept, but just they were, by the way, they were shining gold. Bright as the night sky. Yeah, they were. Were they a bit bluey purpley? No, they were gold but do they have blue on them or something the bottoms were so cool so the bottoms were bluey purpley and see it's weird i remember that and they had like a picture of luke skywalker on them which is a bit

much it is a bit much for freshers i do admit that oh my god so good well that was my first real like impression of note of you. But I do remember thinking we could have some great conversations. I remember I came away from like going to your house once, like your flat, because we lived in the same kind of area of campus, whatever. Block. Not the same block. Oh, not the same block.

Not the same block. We lived like as far away as possible in the same vicinity. Yeah. But in the same, what would you call that? We lived in the same halls, right? my as far away as possible in the same vicinity yeah but in the same what would you call that we live in the same halls right but just different different blocks of flats different blocks of the same sort of style if you picture a sort of estate we're in the same estate but separate basically if you know sussex no actually don't worry forget it forget the whole thing but i remember coming away from like a night with like you and your flat with

and me and my flat and walking away being like i really like that erin she's a really good storyteller you did say that yeah thank you i said i really think with her she's a good storyteller and this is what i mean by you make a thing but that's gone out the window now it's all about me making a big deal out of soup no no because this is the same thing it's the same thing because you don't just tell a story you indulge in the story you potentially would draw like a map of the story you'd be like so over here on this side we've got this guy but not boring though i get people in it never boring like i'm like no no do you think my favorite thing about you is your boring story no but you're kind of making it sound like i go on and on no i think it's that i know how to deliver you go in you go in and in for you i go on and on no i think it's that i know how to deliver

you go in you go in and in for you i go in and in because i know you want in and in no i think you do you go on and on i think when you tell a story it's not just oh my god i went to the shop so there was this weird woman there it's i went to the shops i was feeling kind of weird that day for you there was a woman standing outside and i put on a nice show for you but i noticed this early on with you yeah with other people like that i'm doing that sort of thing but like if i'm with someone else i'll deliver it how they need to hear it do you know what i mean which might be i went to the shop and there was this woman there and don't even worry about it don't even worry about it world's worst story ever that gives them what they needed to hear there was a went to the shops woman don't even worry but best story that they needed you don't always forget i was anything okay well i'm glad we cleared

that up when did we meet what's the story over a pair of star wars shoes oh should we do the one about utopia yeah yeah yeah so sweet someone said i love this one please describe your sephian wing utopia world we're in it yeah you're in it i think are we gonna go landscaping it like say we're creating we're world building everything you want anything you could ever want say it so have you seen um divergent everybody has surely seen divergent i'm picturing somewhat close to the amity abnegation way of working no not abnegation the amity way of no not amity which one of the loving kind people is it amity i have no idea i don't know divergent that well you're the divergent girl you're the divergent girl amity amity yeah they're wearing pumps for sure

i'm not into their clothes aesthetic but their landscape and their way of being it's very communal they're kind of working off the land things like that and i think we would it basically is a kind of a hippie commune vibe but i definitely think we would go for more of a natural beautiful vibe i think the main law of the land would be that you love it feel you get to feel exactly how you feel beautiful it's like there's no fucking social there's no pretense here like we all say how we feel and that's like the main rule nice and everyone is in like mandatory sort of um i'm getting quite dictator mandatory therapy suddenly becomes not fun everyone's leaving but i think everyone has like therapy and kind of stunning things and there's a cinema night every night that's stunning the book club is going on

we're all eating like tea and cake and stuff and like discussing the book around a table wearing kind of absolutely delightful clothes amazing and then it's like big dances every night oh love that are you ruling this land no i think it's um there's a special kind of sort of management system going on um i think it's like a cooperative thing like there's no head of the there's no head of the ship we're all we're all sailing it so you're just kind of we just see you walk past and oh no no no i'm not like a special person there that's quite stressful we're all just equal people you're not oh do you think we're like the kings of the land no i just thought when you started making mandatory rules no no because i have to abide by the imposing the law it's not

mandatory therapy with me it's not scientology is that not what this podcast is see you next monday yeah don't be late guys for your mandatory therapy i think it's just like the one rule is just like self-improvement the goal is we all live in like a loving way to everyone and ourselves in peace love it love it love it love it one of the rules is you have to try and love yourself so mandatory therapy for you right that's nice and then just it's fun and we do dances every night i love it and cinema every night i'm down what what would what would you add or take away i wouldn't i love it sign me up i'm basing it loosely on the hobbit's way of being in in the hobbit oh god well now i need to some sort of get myself

out of that i need i need an escape plan that's where i'm going but no i'm joking everyone's got little hobbit claws gross i'm completely joking get me out of here it's my hell but i think their way of being as in like they have a fireworks night okay fireworks party for bilbo but all the dogs they're not gonna like that they have dogs i'm having dogs in utopia 100 we're having dogs oh my god there are cows roaming free what about the fireworks then see already we've got issues here in this land oh it's hard isn't it this is why i was just about to say i love this the idea of this question but i can't deal with the pressure of answering it because I just suck the fun out of it and make it like too serious. I just, I, I, I'm like, oh, you just can't please everyone, can you? For example, those dogs now are going

to be unhappy about the fireworks. Well, we can lose the fireworks. I'm not, I'm not tied to the fireworks. But now what, you wanted the fireworks, so now you're unhappy, do you know what I mean? I don't really, I just saw a movie and I sawary and pippin do it and i just thought it looked fun one time i knew it was mary and pippin but it's fine but what if like what if someone loves fireworks do you see what i mean well then they can move to the fucking fireworks commune they don't need to be here right so we can have multiple places yeah we can have like fireworks town cow town dog town food town god it's like a whole planet it's kind of like hunger games 2 catching fire on with the clock where they all each one has each like segment of the clock has a different thing but it wouldn't be like blood rain or like

a tsunami it would be like here we eat cake all day here is the animal sector where we go and like stroke kittens all day that's nice yeah here is the mandatory therapy room and here is like dance is like no um dance the night away room love it it's sounding worse the more i talk about it basically no one places in charge of a society okay are we are we wrapping i've got one question i think yeah let's have one last one and then let's go i don't know if this is a wrapping one but i just thought it was a nice question nice easy one or a nice simple one but i don't know if it's a if anyone's like the big you know finale no note yeah i don't know if this is a finale but it's just a nice little note favorite i thought this would be good as well because kind of says

a lot about you in like a in a carefree way and also it's a good recommendation i think favorite book of 2021 someone said oh okay i think i have one coming to mind straight away uh-huh i had one coming to mind straight away as well so i feel like that's the sign okay i like don't know if this is my favorite one of the year but this is the one that just came to my mind is carrie fisher's autobiography called the princess diarist hate that it's star wars theme hate that it's to do with stars because i actually don't love star wars that much but i do quite love carrie fisher you do i i don't particularly i do like star wars star wars fanatic i could name everything about it it's all right i do like star wars it's all right but her autobiography is so interesting it's better than all right it's all right i do like star wars it's all right but her autobiography is so interesting

it's better than all right it's good it's amazing great it's amazing um her book though is so interesting to see like a young woman placed as like this sex symbol like globally in a world where like there were few a few celebrities it wasn't like today where there are just fucking millions of celebrities like she was the pinnacle of men's fantasies and desires at that time and it's so interesting she was so fucking young she talks about her affair with harrison ford who was a lot older at the time married huge things going on honestly scandalous and so interesting to see how a young woman deals with being fetishized so young in such a strange world in a work in a room of men that are making a film in a time um where they're allowed to do whatever they want to women and such an inmate just such an interesting book to deal with like sort of the idea of female

celebrity from a young age and it's really well written and it's really amazing nice and it's to do with star wars your favorite thing and it is of course i wore my little star wars shoes once i read it that's stunning what's yours mine i feel like it's biased because i just reread it more recently so it's you know it's more fresh in your mind and i think i said about it in another episode actually but it's the midnight library by matt haig this is your favorite really this is my favorite of 2021 i think i have to read it it's very pretty that's really really nice and it's very like i just really like the way that he you know like some writers make me feel a bit insecure the way that they write they make me feel a bit like unsafe and like i mean it's just me i guess maybe just liking someone's style no one like

i mean that poor writer isn't making me just liking someone's style no one like i mean that poor writer isn't making me feel insecure but yeah like sometimes i just the writing kind of makes me feel a bit like icky whatever i just love the way that he writes i feel like he's very careful and very forgiving oh wow and very it's very just peaceful and like comforting and just like it's always fine it's fine it's fine he really does have that vibe doesn't he where it's someone that you feel like you know like just from the internet and i feel like that i don't get that very often even in the world of kind of influencing and all of this stuff i don't feel like i know these people but matt haig really

is someone that's like oh he's kind of friend of a friend like i have dinner at his house sometimes yeah like he's one of those people i feel like i would feel comfortable with you safe in his company yes 100 like i know your um your intentions are good here like he's writing for the right reasons yeah and i don't feel like he's bringing judgment to anything and also actually he so the film a boy called christmas have you seen it i haven't seen that yet either no i think you should watch it it's not too late i thought it was a really really beautiful film really and it's obviously on his book so but i just thought it was beautiful and i i don't know if you guys are still in the festive spirit which i would recommend you would

be for like a week or two more yeah oh my god we've got a few days yeah a week or two oh no we don't we have one day but fuck it no i think you can i think you can be in the festivities like first week of jan i just think you can do whatever you want whenever you want agreed so true why are you bound by the calendar stupid thing anyway so true yeah i don't know it's just very simple heartwarming peaceful very homely comforting lovely i listened to a podcast of him talking about that i don't know what it was when i was in portugal i listened to a podcast of him talking about it like what it was and i think it was the christmas thing no no not no not boy called christmas midnight library oh the midnight library and i remember thinking i really want to read this like just in the idea of parallel

lives and all the stuff i was like i really want to read this and then just one of those things that you just think about and then you just never do it's like why would i never read like just so stupid yeah i really liked it it's quite short yeah it's like it's very easy yeah that's nice so i hope you feel like you've got to know us a bit more that was nice because i feel like we get quite a lot of the same repeating questions mostly where did you meet and like questions about uni which is so funny that that's what people want to know because i would just assume that would be boring but hopefully you get to know us a bit better now uh-huh i hope if you're listening to this when it comes out i hope the first few days of the new year are treating

you amazingly well and if you want to join the book club because i feel like the book club's all i'm thinking about right now the first book we're reading i mean the cover the cover art for the first book we're reading it's called bunny i'm really excited to start reading you've started haven't you yeah i've got a bit of a head start it's definitely weird i'm a bit nervous but um we'll see how it goes i think it will be really interesting if we hate the book and we go into the zooms yeah i'm really excited to like see everyone hear everyone's thoughts like face to face on zoom as well and thank you everyone who's joined it and if you can't join it or like someone, like a few people have sent things like,

they're like rearranging their finances to try and do it. Please, please don't. Please don't. Please, please. I'm begging you, please don't. It's not worth it. I know it's like behind the scenes content. I know it's like different content, but you don't need it.

You don't need it. You don't need us. Absolutely not. just live your life it's okay thank you so much thank you guys yeah thank you thank you thank you that's what you're gonna get from me my brain is now dead so if you don't hear from us yeah if you don't hear from us assume the worst