Goes Without Saying - off the record: fast fashion, our 'real' jobs & lin-manuel miranda

Episode Date: May 29, 2022

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friends keep our secret secret in this episode we are talking about oh what do we do for a living who knows how are we making money how are we sustaining this life on this earth we talk about fast fashion we talk about any regrets we have with the podcast we go well we go as chaotic as we always do i don't think anyone's surprised this is a fun episode enjoy okay this is the first of some pre-recorded episodes oh yeah because oh yeah i forgot what we were doing because just to flex on everyone i will be in the dominican republic for three weeks so fun um relaxing relaxing so yeah i will be 100 trip to the spa dip in the pool i mean if i know myself maybe i won't be but i'm sure i will be um yeah dip in the pool trip to the spa endless days in my shades the whole world devoted to

excuse me so i mean already just immediately take everything we say with a pinch of salt because this is gonna be like a couple weeks old yeah this is already out of date they expire in my mind after like two hours so yeah the second we hit stop it's like no weird i hate everything you just said yeah everything you just said came out weird and it's already starting we've also just had like three hours of like a really deep conversation i cried twice yeah well we're just quite knackered so just a single tip just give us the benefit of the doubt as always um well how are you anyway i'm feeling okay um what's been going well i i feel like i feel okay i came to this already quite flustered the three hours ago when we started because yeah someone tried to break into my house no big deal it's fine she's safe um a few nights ago i'm safe i had to fight them out

by hand with my house your bare hands with my bare hands no leaning against the door they were pushing into the door i was pushing into the door quite crazy moment had the police around fingerprinting around so intense but we're all okay it's been mad but everyone touched some wood for her yes and i will do so too also what were you saying you said you were going to say something on the podcast and you did already tell me that was the hamilton thing oh yeah do you want to say it but i've already told you it now it's not but no it's not fun anymore no it's so funny please one of my favorite stories of yours i've ever heard oh god you only heard it about 10 minutes ago well because i think it's just so it's like you couldn't write it it's just perfect for you so last last night went to a pub quiz and they said got the golden question everyone

get some person from your table to come and answer the golden question obviously i put my hands straight up because they said the category is musicals and i thought that i've got this out of this team here i've got this right i was gonna say i wouldn't have been confident in musicals generally i wouldn't but i was praying for we were praying for lynn basically within the team yeah within the team also last like the last time we were there the topic was maths obviously i'm not handing myself down to that one no so they're trying to sabotage your team yeah that would be bad they said the topic is musicals i thought if it's

either hamilton or six i've got this if it's anything else i'm fucked got up there with all the fucking cocky people from every other team that thought they could handle it golden question bear in mind you went in a 180 pound bar tab if you get it right uh-huh so i want you can spend not just tonight at any moment anytime 180 pound bar amazing i need that i need it i need it how what flex that would be to like put it on my all your mates like come in i've got it's on the tab it's on my golden ticket tab so luckily when i was at the fucking bar they said like we all had to stand up and stand together as a whole thing he said the topic is hamilton obviously amazing i relaxed like no other i just thought i have fucking got this if i've got anything i've got this i've got this um so good they said and the question was i'll see if anyone can get it what is the first number mentioned in hamilton give you a moment give you a moment to think of

it the answer is 1776 new york city pardon me you know amazing yeah 1776 i thought right got this fucking started writing down then he said and now divide that number by two instantly we're fucked we're fucked we're fucked we're fucked i can't as previously stated many times this podcast i can't do maths for the life of me it's too good it was just one of those moments it's too bad i get i took a guess it was fine i did 833 but the answer was 800 and i think 88 i think that's not bad at all it's not bad complete guess complete guess she said as well there's there was no working out time allocated 10 seconds we've got 10 seconds on the clock i think that's a really you know what you're a good sport i was grateful that it was we only got 10

seconds though because if we had got like 10 minutes i would have come up with the same guess i would there was no chance of me working that out there was no chance um but i could see my team's faces me like writing down 70 76 and then it was like when they said now divided by two i literally looked up and their hearts were sinking like she's not got this she's not got this good it was so good and i have never been more upset like i was so angry at myself because it's like i i can't believe i lost lost it were you emotional i was not emotional but i was did you get a bit hot and a bit like i was angry i was so angry at myself it's like how dare you fuck up on a hamilton question and a maths question but hamilton question the maths it's like what so every week

he does a sum so hang on last week was a maths question this week was a hamilton question that turned into a maths question don't say it's about musicals and then make it about maths yeah but i did get no one else knew the first number in hamilton the number um so i was happy with that but it was fucking gutting it's really really annoying. Next time. Also, you might like our team name because there was a big thing about like, I find team names quite embarrassing. It is quite bad. Like there's no good ones. There's no good ones, I think.

But we came up with the least embarrassing one. People can take this if they need. I don't know if you think it's not embarrassing. I thought it was the safest one. But it's from Ted Lasso, which now I'm quite obsessed with Ted Lasso. Nice. If you haven't seen it, it'll make no sense. But called the Diamondhuh. But it's from Ted Lasso, which now I'm quite obsessed with Ted Lasso. Nice. If you haven't seen it, it'll make no sense.

But called the Diamond Dogs. What's that from Ted Lasso? Is that in season two? I have no idea, but it's when they all like, all the, they all huddle together. Like Ted,

the coach, Higgins, I believe his name is, and Nate. And they talk about like, romantic issues and they call themselves the diamond dogs and then we're like we call ourselves the diamond dogs that's cute like fun if anyone gets it but

also not that bad if no one gets it yeah it's not that bad yeah like we're just the diamond dogs i don't know that i i left ted lasso behind unfortunately i like ted lasso i have two episodes off finishing i loved it but the oh well yeah then that's from season two i feel like it just went a bit shit in season two this wasn't as good it wasn't as good as season one i feel like yeah maybe yeah i feel like i haven't watched them like season one and then see that this all just merged for me well same but i watched it all in one go but i but i knew that i was watching season two and i was like this is not as as good. Got it. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Do you, who, well, I'm just going to ask it straight.

I was going to say, who do you like? But I was going to say, do you think Roy is quite hotty or not really? Yeah, we've had this conversation a couple of times, actually, you and I. What are your thoughts on him? My thoughts on Noah, I think he's a bit too groomed. He's a bit too like, remember? Oh, yeah, yeah. I always tell people you think he's too groomed.

Yeah. You're just testing me no but i thought maybe like you thought he was too groomed but also maybe a bit hot i totally get it i totally get it but i think ted lasso is the hottest of the bunch i can't see that i don't know what you're on about there i don't know what i'm on about really either but it's not Roy for me really what about Jamie Tart no it's not him for me either no it's not him for me we could do this all day yeah we could go through the whole team we could yeah but no anyway anyway that was the Hamilton thing it's so good it's too perfect so so aggravating best topic mixed with worst topic it's like they knew though that's why i find it so good how can we torture her classic i know it's too too classic did i also say oh

sorry it's just a hamilton another little hamilton thing yeah but like just in how weird i'm being about hamilton at the moment i'm in a real i'm always in a hamilton phase but i really am especially at the moment and i said this as we walked out of the pub like bit like quite going on and on about how annoyed i was in our book club this um this month the book they mentioned the name lin-manuel miranda in the book and i got fixated when i was reading it i read his name like 10 times like my eyes could not come off his name oh you're really loving him again i don't know what came over but i was like why can't i read past his name i was just reading it manuel miranda miranda manuel miranda it's a lot i'm in love are you in love yeah i am wow like i just think i i just love his vibe i love the vibe wow i don't know if i do i just think

he's really talented i was gonna say the oh i don't know i don't know no i don't know if i do love the vibe i don't know if i do i don't know whether i love him or if i love him out of habit you love something there's a pool there there's definitely a pool yeah which i think is i i do get it yeah but there's there's some things in the vibe that I don't like. There are many things in the vibe I don't like. There are some things, yeah. But there's something very beautiful about him. Yeah, anyway, let's go.

Should we go with the question? Yeah. I thought this was really funny. Well, not really funny, but like... Interesting. I'm in such a weird mood. This person said, do you sometimes regret sharing such personal

anecdotes publicly and i thought do you think we should regret sharing publicly what do you think because i think no i don't i think i have doubts every day where i'm like god keep your fucking mouth shut and just like shut the fuck up and just quit because you just talk so much shit and it's just embarrassing and irresponsible but i don't think i regret sharing personal anecdotes publicly no i don't think i do it's not the personal anecdotes i've got a problem with it's all of the other shit it's every yeah it's of every other element yeah but no yeah you have the stories they're fine they're public domain anyway yeah the personal anecdotes are fine i could even go more personal could you i won't well i can i can always could you go more personal do you think oh 100 but i'm

not a very i'm not a very i'm not very like i don't share that much in my in my day-to-day life I've said this before like I think I share my personal anecdotes quite freely on the podcast but people in my actual life might not know certain things about me like I I don't I'm not like an open book I don't think although if you ask me something I'll tell you but like I'm not an oversharer. No. Well, I hate the term. But also like, I feel like people listening will be like, yes, you are. But it's different because that's completely different. Like someone said, does Wing still have a relationship with her parents? Gosh, I'm dying.

So yeah, I'm not an oversharer. So funny. Yeah. And yes, I do. I actually feel like like i don't know if you want to speak about this effie but i feel like i'm really at a point where i'm like i don't know i just feel quite at peace with all of my relationships and especially my parents even though i think the relationship that i have with my mom my mom and dad are not together and i do very much view them as like separate one-on-one relationships if that makes sense entirely yeah i feel like i'm in such a good place with both of my parents like i think i've said this before but like even with my dad i

feel like i really appreciate like i think my dad really sees me as an adult which he should because i am but he really like respects my opinion adult, which he should because I am. But he really, like, respects my opinion on things. Like, he'll come to me and be like, what do you think about, like, he knows that I'm educated on certain things. Or, like, he knows, he just values my perspective, I think. Yeah. And I just think it's nice. Like, he'll be like, what thoughts on X, Y, and Z? And I'm like, God, you know what?

Good relationship. It's just nice to have, like, an adult conversation. Yeah. like he'll be like what thoughts on x y and z and i'm like god you know what good relationship it's just nice to have like an adult conversation yeah but also they take things just come in waves don't they i think something i'm also quite good at nothing's more complex like in terms of like you know parent well my parent relationship specifically but i also think across all my relationships i'm quite good at just taking things as what they are i feel like i don't put too much stress on like i don't know like trying to fit a circle relationship into a school trying to do you know what i mean i'm not trying to force things into what they're not i

just feel like things are very fluid my relationship with my parents will continue to change over the course of my life do you know what i mean yeah and that's the perfect outlook it is what's the only thing that you can count on is things changing literally nothing is set in stone i just also meant quite a point so i'm really just trying shit no honestly i just said i read lynn manuel miranda's name 10 times so that's shit no i'm just really envisioning myself just like like when you're hearing this, I'm probably just like asleep, like drunk on a beach somewhere, which makes me feel really good.

Oh my God, so good. So I kind of just feel like I'm channeling that mentality now while I'm speaking, which is probably really annoying to listen to. I'm really giving like drunk girl in the smoking area vibes, I think. Not at all. Not to me, I don't think.

No. Well, I also had three jabs yesterday. I had my travel vaccination. So I'm just a bit out of it. was I saying something about my parents yeah anyway that you have good relationships with them oh yeah but I'm just well I don't know if I would have good relationships with them but I just I'm also just kind of at a point generally where I just feel like this life it just is what it is and i just don't care to like be stressing i just don't care to be stressing no do you know what i mean yeah

oh sorry i don't i honestly at this point i don't know if i can put this episode out i'm talking so much are you joking you're doing you're doing great you're doing great really okay i think it's just the fluid thing of being like the whole thing is you can count on things to change and also one of my favorite things i think i've said on the podcast before but it's like when things change they change quick and it's like basically you cannot count on shit so you might as well accept it all yeah that does make me wonder when things change they change quick i always like that because it's like when you're in a bit of a shit phase and you're like oh my god it's so stagnant blah blah blah it's like when things

change they really change fast and i and i found that to be true for my experience anyway basically like for example say i've had it before when my friends okay let me try and pick an example that isn't obvious who i'm talking about which is always the endless dilemma of this podcast so i have a i've had many a conversation about this but i've had a specific conversation with friends before where it was in that time when in that time it's probably still fucking going on no one could get jobs i feel like it was a very pandemic vibe of like there are no fucking jobs everyone fucking needed a job and i remember my friend applying applying applying applying for jobs and i was like all you need though all you need is one like the only thing you need right now is one yeah when you've got it you've got it when things change they change quick it's like as

soon as it's not you need all of these things to apply oh it's another rejection another rejection but all you need is one there could be 99 jobs in the room but if there's one job you just need one be 99 jobs in the room but if there's one job you just need one yeah when you find that bradley cooper so fucking true but people say it about like um i've had that when people are talking about like oh i can't get a boyfriend or i can't get in a relationship like breakups and things it's like when you're over it you're over it yeah when it's done it's done you all you need is the thing that you need to happen when that one thing happens it will happen astonishingly quickly before you know and when it does it happens but then also don't you think yeah go on no go on well i was gonna say i said this earlier like before we started recording i was like i think it's also just

part of the human condition to as soon as you've moved on from one problem you find something else that is going to be the problem that you're going to focus on for the next three weeks three months three years whatever you constantly need something i just feel like it's just yeah the human condition is you're constantly assessing for threats and like trying to be aware of danger so you're always trying to preempt what could go wrong for you and like be one step ahead but a lot of the time that just ends up you kind of end up um running yourself into a circle bit and like focusing on something that probably isn't necessarily a problem isn't even true yeah it probably isn't even true but what we like oh to be a human what a mess silly billy what a fucking mess acas powers the world's best podcasts.

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but it's funnier for it to say i'm mental and then get no right and i just say i'm mental okay next question um but this question came up a ton and i just feel like let's just um do it come clean no not even um it just almost feels quite redundant to us but i guess if i think we forget that like i think we forget that people actually listen and you would have genuine like um questions questions about us to us it just seems so boring and obvious yeah so people said what do you do for a living what are you doing what's your job blah blah blah um it is no secret that we are now making money from this podcast which is amazing and we have made money from this podcast over the past couple of years in various different ways pitiful amounts though i will say over the past few years it's only very recently become um a pretty livable yeah amount and even

that i say lightly um and also we've been doing various things over the past couple of years i have spoken briefly on a few occasions about working freelance in illustration and writing and branding and designing and those sorts of things seffy's been i mean i've done freelance writing things like that but i mean i'm thrilled utterly thrilled to be making any pennies off this shit i'm loving it yeah this is really our baby and this is we just yeah this is like i mean it's kind of crazy to us it's funny because i almost feel like no one's listening right now and i always say it with the ceos of shitty little thing but it's true it's kind of is it's a paying job i guess yeah who knew that's what they call it

thoughts on that as a journey i feel like just be deluded and can we talk about um this is really i'm a mess i'm a mess sorry i don't i'm not getting any energy i'm actually getting quite coherent energy from you yeah okay that's bizarre all right you seem to be um firing away really i think i'm just i think i'm just being really frantic and speaking over you the whole time, which is probably why you think I'm firing away. No, not at all. I mean, I'm happy if you do, because so far, I probably mortified myself about four times on this.

So let's just keep it going. We had quite a moment over this Jenna Fisher quote. Oh my goodness. Or like this whole Jenna Fisher interview i was absolutely obsessed with um i don't think we've said it anywhere on the podcast but it's this thing that she did i think it's called like off off the record no that's what this is called oh ours is called something was clearly called off the record with jim and pam what's that man's name is it the actors yeah it is i can't remember what his name is but they're all black and white videos they're really good you'll know them um and sometimes an

actor in no he always interviews it's always him yeah yeah you're thinking of actors on actors i'm thinking of actors on actors actors on actors rats anyway jenna fisher had this thing where she was talking about the start of her acting career which is obviously pretty i mean it must be pretty fucking rough um to start doing that from scratch or from scraps as we like to say yeah that we made this from scraps but she basically was saying you should go and watch it go and find it but she was saying like she came to this conclusion that she was just like look i will wait you out i will sit here until you agree with me that i am worthy of being an actor for example i will sit here and wait you

out until i am an actor i'll wait you out until you cast me as pam exactly it's like i don't care to give this up you might try and kick me out all you want yeah i'm not going anywhere and i just think that is so cool and that kind of has been our mindset for the last few years for sure i will wait you out just like we'll just keep going i'll be here every week spilling my personal anecdotes and god knows what else and i will wait you out until you until you can pay me a penny and luckily the a-cast girls have decided to pay a penny that it's worth something i will wait you out i will wait you out but also like do you remember that day i'll be here all damn day the day we i mean we were we recorded on the day where we earned i think it was like 36 pounds 30

or something like that yeah 38 pounds 38 pounds 30 or something like that yeah 38 pounds 38 pounds 30 or something like that yeah and it was just like god like the fact that still is a big fucking deal to us oh my god the biggest the biggest deal it's so cool also i feel like we had real moments in that whole i mean i think with anything it's no fucking secret it's a fucking while until you see any money it can be fucking years and for us it definitely was years well for a while like look i would be back and forth on emails like essentially begging i'd be on my knees begging yeah to get paid to like work with someone yeah and it wasn't as you can see it didn't go very well um or some things did well we got the odd here's 60 quid yeah and we would be celebrating

over that got more than that but like i think we're like what was the at the beginning i mean we've done some things at the beginning which were like like 40 pounds oh yeah like nothing but i don't think it was worth 40 pounds even do you know what i mean yeah look things just take time don't they they do but i just think in that time we don't know if i'm in the right mindset you're doing great no no no okay okay you really are honestly you're doing great okay i just don't know if i really have a hold of my brain right now should we stop for a second i think you're honestly i think it's the typhoid speaking it's fine okay but yeah i just think in in that time there were so many weird periods where we would be hanging on to like the hope the potential that jenna fisher fucking thing i would also say

jim carrey was one of the people and he got mentioned a shit ton but i remember watching videos of him being like you've got to do this like he famously wrote himself like a million fucking dollar check um check to himself and the day like real law of attraction weirdo these are our these are our markers guys this is how fucking like unstable we are this is why we pretty much worship delusion like we're literally like fucking praying at the feet of delusion like we were so deluded well i do think which has got us somewhere i always see reels from girls that are like if you want to start posting like an influencer but you're scared that everyone's gonna be laughing

at you just do it and blah blah blah or it's like if you want to go and apply to a university that you think you're not gonna get into and everyone's gonna laugh at you just do it or if you think you're not gonna get if you think you're not um good enough to be working at a certain office we'll just do it like it you have to be an advocate for yourself because i've said it before i've said it again nobody's coming harry nobody's coming to pick you up and put you where you need to be get that on a tote bag crazy i mean wouldn't be bad would it it wouldn't be bad well at this point is it out it'll be out it will be out please buy it it hasn't launched from when we're recording this now but please buy it that makes me sick same that makes me feel really happy though like that makes

me think like god we've come far oh for sure like wow we have a tote bag that says fucking nobody's kidding me okay can i ask you a question yeah this person said i thought this was an interesting question because again just feels like to me there's an obvious answer but not like to undermine your question but almost like I'm intrigued and almost flattered that you would ask this of us this person said do you feel influenced by other people sometimes oh I feel like yeah obviously for me personally I'm trying to think like I'm trying to think of an example like my instinct is no honestly yeah but i feel like in reality it's like oh you shouldn't be doing this podcast anymore you're like oh shit okay yeah yeah i mean that sounds yeah that's a good example

maybe like sorry to call you out but i do think you are more influenced than i don't think there's anything like i think it's naive for most people to be like no i don't get influenced by other people it's like you know you're a human being by the way with a very soft brain like we take in a lot we are real sponges and the amount that we consume of everyone else has gone to such an extreme point that i think of course we're taking in so much of other people and even if you're not necessarily being like oh she bought that jumper so i'm gonna buy that jumper like um regina george punched me in the face it was awesome but i think we're really subtly taking in everyone that we interact with that's why i think it's

important who you surround yourself with right oh my god have you seen that thing that's like you are the sum of the five closest people to you. It's like, oh, fuck that. Or like, don't, if you find yourself the smartest or like best person in the room, you're in the wrong room, those sorts of things. Oh, scary things. Not that I think, oh my god, I'm,

scary when you think, oh my god, I'm the smartest in the room. It's like, you're not. But don't you think? I think it's, I think there's a lot of truth in that. Not the smartest in the room thing, but I think there's a lot of truth in that i'm not the smart in the room thing but i think there's a lot of truth in you're you're the sum of the people that you yeah 100 definitely definitely definitely which is why when it gets scary when you realize

i mean just running yourself with assholes which is like for example school work all of these things where you don't necessarily choose your people even like families you don't necessarily choose it you just all got hired for a fucking job and you're all walking around in the same place yeah to quote the office you've got nothing in common but you walk around on the same piece of carpet all day that's from the english office i believe great little quote and then what you're the summation of those people and also your friends but it's like it gets scary when you realize maybe i'm not in the right room but that is also motivation to leave the room so true

that's stunning like i do think it's nothing is better than feeling inspired by the people you fucking hang out with such a great feeling just to be like i'm actually in like a group or like i'm if i counted the five fucking people i don't know how i'm doing that those kind of maths of these five don't get her started and now divided by two like how am i weighing these people up um like sorry you didn't make my top five it's real um like my space yeah your um it was that top your top friend yeah and he used to have like an other half as well which is gutting oh i didn't know that like you'd have like your other half but it would be like a real kind of like if you didn't put your friend as your other half like it was

real political oh wow was that on myspace maybe that was bibo bibo bibo was like you'd want to have someone good as your other half um anyway understandable um yeah basically choose your choose your choose your friends wisely keep your friends close harry oh fucking hell i thought this is one oh go on sorry no go on no no no please go go go i mean i think i've lost it now but i just thought it was a really cute one oh yeah and i kind of want you to do it for me and you okay but it says ideal friend date day and i just thought what's what would be your ideal day for us to do that's really cute well we're definitely eating a lot definitely i wouldn't mind if the day lasted like maybe it could be longer than a day we could have a few naps in between just so we could keep ourselves going i wouldn't mind a morning

like i wouldn't mind like to do a wake-up kind of breakfast vibe as well oh 100 i wouldn't mind going to like some sort of theme park oh i wouldn't mind no do you know what I mean we go to Thought Park we're on Stell can we do a meet up like in a theme park you know I'm you know I'm not gonna say no to that

I really I always think of you saying meet ups for some reason really I don't know why I think it's like one time you said it in Mantras

and I thought meet ups like it really brings us back to a time and then we were talking about meetups the other day when you were talking about um just like old internet and stuff just like back in the day yeah meetups it's just kind of funny but I would love to meet everyone at Thought Park I oh my god I'd literally love to I mean Thought Park's quite a special place. We've been to Thought Park once together. We have, yeah.

Once together, haven't we? But I just think it's both, it's been a special place for us both independently in our lives. I used to have the map of Thought Park in mine and my sister's room. Amazing. The leaflet that they give at the beginning

that you can just pick up that unfolded on our wall and every night we used to be like, I want to go on Samurai. I want to go on Zodiac. Oh my God. I want to go on zodiac oh my god i want to go on nemesis inferno like all night so good what was it what is your favorite thought park actually niche for the british listeners sorry for anyone else that doesn't know what thought park is oh you know what i do like the like swarm swarm yeah that was the first one we went on when me and you went together with the group

yeah we went on swarm first because it was an issue because you have to sit in threes classic and someone was on their own who often complains that she was left on her own and i say get over it you said get over it i'm like get over it mate this was fucking years ago i don't remember that's really funny um yeah we definitely be going to a theme park yeah i wouldn't mind like i want to get a movie in there somewhere i know i was thinking that but it's like we're at a theme park yeah i know we can't how are we doing i'm almost thinking we do the we do the theme park and then like we leave at what like seven yeah all right and we have dinner and then we leave at what, like seven?

Yeah, all right. And we have dinner and then we just watch a movie in the evening and fall asleep. Maybe we go to Paris. After the theme park. Jesus. Maybe we're seeing a French film in Paris. No, I don't want to see a French film. I don't want to see a French film.

No, but we do have to go to Paris at some point. Can we put this out? Yeah. Yeah, we can. Yeah. All right. Tori, I know that's annoying. I keep saying that.

It's like everyone just settles into the convo and then I'm like, is this shit, by the way? It's like, that's really annoying. Like, really pulls you out of the conversation. Or just like, says a really good point. I'm mental right now. It's like, wait, slow down. I'm so random now i'm so random

i'm so random xd what am i like okay i have a question we've never really spoken about this and i don't think we do a full episode on it despite i reckon people quite wanting a full episode on this from us um i personally don't think we're doing an episode on this anytime soon but i'm happy to have a little chat about it now a few people asked something similar but they said thoughts on fast fashion question mark and they said love you so much so love you more um my thoughts we've never i don't go on yeah go on my my thoughts my initial thoughts are i try and avoid it as much as possible really it's one of those things that i mean at school i was probably ordering fucking god knows what and at uni i ordered probably god knows what like they're fucking easy they're cheap they're all of the shit but my lesson is from all of it that they

don't they don't last long and i don't want them in my life like the fabrics are bad it doesn't look good i don't want them in my life surround yourself it ends up costing me more you are the sum of the five fast fashion items that you are surrounded me more you are the sum of the five fast fashion items that you are surrounded with if you're the sum of the fucking like i have loads of shit that's fast fashion i've got fuck tons of it but it doesn't make me feel good it doesn't look good and i don't want it in my life anymore fair enough i think i think it's complex which is why i can't be bothered to get into a full episode about it because i also think yes it goes without saying fast fashion is doing absolutely terrible things not just for the

environment but also for a lot of humans on this planet and i think we have a real problem with empathy at this point in society where we feel so disconnected from our actions i think a lot of that has to do with social media however i also think obviously this is not a profound like or like this is not a revelation for me to declare that it is a class issue 100 and i also think then that my emphasis that i would declare to everyone would be if you can if you don't have the money to afford clothes that you need and you can buy something from fast fashion and make it last five, 10 years,

then it is now slow fashion. And I think the reality is not just about where are you buying from, but also do you need to buy something at all? I think that's the main question, really. I think it's also about consumption. Well, the argument with fast fashion is that it's like, it's the, yeah, it's the main question really i think it's also about consumption well the argument with fast fashion is that it's like it's the yeah it's the fast turnover yeah 100 if you can buy a fucking thing from a pretty little thing and make that last as long as a

item of clothing should last but that's not what's happening no sure it's the turnover of like essentially trends of being like oh my god there's this there's this get this for your fucking festival look get this but oh god you've got to get a party order this for the next fucking day 100 it's a it goes without saying it's a class fucking issue it's a fucking living hell it's a fucking nightmare guys my thoughts for me and my life are that i don't like it it doesn't make me feel good i don't want it i don't want it if i can come into my door little asos bag i don't want it 100 i don't need it i don't want it but i'm also a fucking human and i might order it yeah i think it's a like i don't know about you but i think we were really raised on like especially like a phase of the internet like the beginnings of the internet

my dog's about to start barking i just know it um where like i'm it's too cut to like pov it's 2008 and you're watching some girl in her bedroom show you fucking 40 foundations that she owns that her dad bought her yeah i think it is so instilled in a lot of our generation and i mean like now you go on instagram or tiktok and you're seeing this dog let me just get him oh zee bloody hell it's really on a little i'm taking my microphone with me yeah yeah go on um yeah in 2008 you're seeing people show you like 30 eyeshadow palettes um and you're like fucking in year seven or something and today you're looking at i don't know girls show you like yeah all of these micro chin pieces that to be honest they're not even wearing for one day it's like they're wearing for like half an hour they're wearing to take a photo and then getting a new yeah for sure it's like we're not even at like trend level anymore we're

not even at like seasonal dressing anymore we're literally at it's literally moment dressing yeah it's literally the point of like a trend will last two weeks by the time you order it and it's arrived at your door is already over that is really like how we this is obviously not sustainable i don't just mean like environmentally sustainable i mean like we can't live like this we can't sustain this it's crazy but again nowhere to push as always that's what i always say like know what you can and can't do no do i mean like if you're like 14 listening to this living off of however much money your mom's giving you do you know what you can and can't do no do i mean like if you're like 14 listening to this living off of however much money your mom's giving you do i mean this is the thing it's not for the individual to

feel guilt over i just don't think it is if you're in a position where you want to make some kind of shift far larger more complex issue towards oh i i think i want to fucking shift this in the same way that fucking cutting down your meat whatever you want to fucking do if in the same way that fucking cutting down your meat, whatever you want to fucking do, if you're in a position to do that. But it's not about having fucking guilt if you can't. Fuck that. Yeah, that's the whole that's the whole fucking trick of it. It's not the responsibility in many ways of individuals do this shit. in a way the way that we have like made an aesthetic out of environmentalism for example has actually in a lot of ways emphasized consumerism by being like you need to go and

buy this sustainable water bottle but it's like but now you've got six water bottles in your drawer and you're about to buy another one and you wouldn't have bought them before that's not being more sustainable and also the idea that we should all shop at charity shops okay but now there are people going around charity shops buying all the stuff from discounted prices and then going to their fucking depop and then marking it up to fucking 60 people buy like that it's called slow fashion now i don't think it is because actually you've just taken the fucking clothes away for people that actually need to stop in charity shops it's crazy but also complex god

we're getting quite heated look there's not an episode on this coming up because well personally i just don't feel like i feel like a lot of it goes about saying as well yeah i think so there's a lot of like prefacing your points with like but there's it's like we all fucking know it we all have fucking twitter i could write you a lovely essay on it but you know what i don't want to i really don't want to i hope that's okay i have to do this one because it's so fucking cute and i just have like a million answers already i'm excited to hear it what is something major that you've learned from the other person oh so cute and i'm not so interested in what you are gonna say but I just want to speak for a moment okay go on but I just think I've learned so much from you like it just literally where to fucking begin I think your

outlook on life is great thank you that's nice the way that you live your life for you actually is really inspirational no it's not badly at all thanks i do think you have this attitude that's like so committed to yourself which i think is so rare it's so so rare and you do have it couldn't be more wrong not true she couldn't be more wrong the listeners will know what i mean yeah but like yeah i i think i do but it goes without saying that like more often than not i'm not living by that if i'm being honest or not even i think i have to make an effort to stay in that mindset i think that's what i like i like the effort yeah but i actually think even having the awareness of knowing that that's how i want to live is maybe quite right no this is what i mean i it's not that you have

this natural you're not waking up every day springing out of bed you have a complete effort put in which i think most people most people wake up and think i can't be fucking arsed but they live like that and i think there's many many days when i just think oh i feel shit today i'll just feel shit for the day but you have like a level of like one you have complete like acceptance of things like that but you also you do don't you roll those eyes what is she going on about the things you come out with honestly but you do have like yeah it's the effort that's put in you do like actually commit to yourself wow and what i've taught you to commit to yourself question mark i think it's the effort that's put in you do like actually commit to yourself wow and what i've taught you to commit to yourself question mark i think it's inspirational to be around wow and i think it

rubs off on everyone oh that's nice thanks but it rubs off on me anyway well i think you've been rubbing off on me big time we rub off on each other we're rubbing around we do i've said it before i'll say it again something that robs off on you to me or something that i've learned from you i just have never known someone so oh what's the word just like you're gulping away gulping my drink so cute that was really cute that was like real toddler vibes like have you got games in your phone kind of vibe like looking up at me drinking from your girl boss mug i think you are so there almost isn't a word for it in the english language because it's not just determined it's like you're so i think you're so you have so much confidence in yourself wow you have so much

belief in yourself even when you're insecure you're feeling shit or whatever you're going through something whatever you still almost like you can't be convinced otherwise you can try and i think that's really powerful but like but i think try as they might it's not getting through i think you i think you're really good at knowing when to ignore people as well i think you're really good at almost like i think you have you i think you put a lot of value in yourself which i think is so i honestly think like it just it just by like consequence makes me more confident in myself god i mean that's really nice i like that a lot but i think that's completely true but i think you can see that for yourself it's like yeah you don't just i know you have times where you feel insecure but like you really have a really strong belief in

yourself and I think you have a really strong idea of yourself even when you feel lost and just like oh my god what am I doing I think you always feel really sure of yourself I think you're quite self-assured well I love that that's great I'm gonna write that straight in my journal I think you couldn't have done this I couldn couldn't have done this, at least, without you being like that. And I think the opposite. I think that I could not have done this without you. Without that specific quality of you, though. The absolute dedication to being almost quite like...

Insane. It's quite ruthless, almost. Do you know what I see it as, actually? Which, I don't know if this is not gonna like it yeah go on no no you are gonna like it you are gonna like it but it just translates i feel like so many of our kind of philosophies in life you look like you were gonna give me bad news no not at all but so many of our philosophies i think are kind of stemmed from this yeah it's almost like quite political the way that it's like i will do

i will dedicate to myself for like political reasons almost because i will not be dragged down right and that's how i see you is it would be unjust for me to do it's not right it's not right that i do not get to love myself and that's how you are i think i think that's quite a libra thing yeah do you know i mean like look here i am serving justice and it's unjust for me to be made to feel shit over this fucked up world sorry yeah it's literally a political act wow love it thank you oh what do you guys like about us and what do you like send us a dm send us some love letters um Should we leave it there in like a loving note? I honestly, before we go,

I feel like if I edit this or listen to this back, I'm going to be annoyed if I don't say I, I've been a bit chaotic in this episode. And I know about 10 times now, but I know chaotic is the vibe. I just kind of want to explain, like I had all these jabs yesterday, which is fine,

but I've had chills all day. I've been getting chills. And I had a headache. Also we did just have a manic convo before this we had a whole big conversation about like the whole journey of this podcast identity yeah it's just i've been through the wars a little bit guys please just cut us some slack and i hope you got what you needed from this podcast which maybe is just a little bit of fun a little bit of funsies and if it is out right now which i think it is by the time this episode is going out please buy our merch it looks so fucking great we've probably spoken about it by now but i'm scared if people are buying wing put her sweat and tears designing into it it looks great i did i did well i oh i just i hope and if you have bought some by now because people might have

bought it by the time they hear this. Thank you. Thank you so much. But don't feel pressured to buy it. And like, I almost don't want anyone to buy it because I'm too scared and I feel bad. But Sefi's going to get annoyed if I say that. So yes, buy it. I'm not scared because I know it's going to be fucking great because I can fucking see it with my eyes

and it looks fucking insane. Guys, if you have bought it, please like send us a pic or post it. Obviously, like, you don't have to post it on your story and tag us if you have bought it please like send us a pic or my god post it obviously like you don't have to post it on your story and tag us if you're ashamed just send us you can send us a dm or something yeah send us endless photos we almost need proof that people have bought it if they do buy it i know because already i'm doubting but i think they will it's making me feel sick bloody hell okay come then. Thank you so much for being here for this kind of weird hour

that you spent with us if you've made it through this far which if you've been hearing this you have. I feel like I've been beaten up. Do you?

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