Going West: True Crime - Timothy O'Bryan // 92

Episode Date: October 28, 2020

In 1974, a man dubbed as "The Man Who Killed Halloween" struck a suburban town outside Houston, Texas. This is the murder of Timothy O'Bryan, and the story of The Candy Man. Advertising Inquiries: htt...ps://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 What is going on True Crime fans? I'm your host Heet and I'm your other host, Daphne. And you're listening to Going West. Happy Halloween everyone! We're just a few days away at this point, which is really exciting! Yay! So, we thought it would be fitting to have today's episode be about the man who killed Halloween. Before we get into today's episode, we wanted to let you guys know we have a fall merch line that is out right now on our website goingwestpod.com. Click the shop tab and check out some of the new fall items that we put up. Yeah, we've got some really fun stuff.
Starting point is 00:00:49 I'm actually wearing one of our sweatshirts right now. And yeah, they're super cozy. And I mean, I'm also wearing slippers. We just got slippers, non-going west slippers, but it's time to get cozy. Go take yourself a sweatshirt. Yeah, it's definitely time to get cozy. I'm actually wearing a dark parts pullover.
Starting point is 00:01:05 If you guys don't know already, we have a second show called the Dark Parts. If you like urban legends and things like that. Head over there and check out that show. It's really, really fun. It's a little bit more laid back than going west, so if you're into that, check it out. All right, guys, this is episode 92 of Going West.
Starting point is 00:01:24 So let's get into it. In 1974, a man who would be dubbed the man who killed Halloween struck a suburban neighborhood in Houston, Texas. A little boy was trick-or-treating with family and neighbors, but when he went home to enjoy a piece of candy, he started convulsing and eventually passed out. This is the murder of Timothy O'Brien and born on April 8, 1966 in Deer Park, Texas to parents Daneen and Ronald O'Brien alongside his younger sister Elizabeth. And Deer Park is a middle-class suburb in the city of Houston, Texas, by the way. Timothy's father Ronald worked as an optician,
Starting point is 00:03:08 which is a technician who fits eyeglasses, at Texas State Optical, and he was also a deacon at the local Baptist Church. And at the church, he sang in the choir, and also was in charge of the bus program that took people to and from church. So it may seem like he had his things together, but Ronald had a very hard time holding a job.
Starting point is 00:03:31 This is a Halloween story, and it takes place in October of 1974. And within 10 years of this, Ronald had acquired and lost 21 different jobs. Jeez, that guy is really going through the jobs. Yeah, you can say that. But this wasn't just him leaving them because it wasn't a fit. He was fired from each job for one reason or another, usually negligence or fraudulence. So neither of those are good.
Starting point is 00:04:00 But the church seemed to love him, and one pastor even explained Ronald as being a good Christian man and an above-average father. At this time, Timothy was a normal, happy, and very healthy 8-year-old boy who had just recently began third grade at Carpenter Elementary School in Deer Park, Texas. That Thursday Halloween evening, Timothy dressed up as one of his favorite characters from Planet of the Apes and his five-year-old sister Elizabeth dressed up as a princess. Their father Ronald took them to a local neighborhood in Pasadena, Texas, along with their
Starting point is 00:04:36 neighbor Jim Bates and his two kids to all go trick-or-treating for that evening. As they filled their bags with various candies throughout the evening, the kids eventually came upon a house with the lights turned off, but they decided to go up to the door anyway. After ringing the bell, there was no response. As the group carried on to the next house, Ronald kind of hung back, determined to get candy from that house. And after about a minute, he caught up to his kids in his neighbor holding five of those really big pixie sticks, you know, the 21-inch long ones with like the striped plastic straw. He gave one to each of the four kids and that eventually gave the fifth one away to a kid that he saw in the neighborhood that he knew from church.
Starting point is 00:05:20 So they all had a lovely time trigger treating and the kids got a pretty nicely sized stash of candy to enjoy later But when they returned to the house Ronald told them that they were only allowed to have one piece of candy each before bed Elizabeth chose her piece and then Timothy chose the large pixie stick because if he was only gonna be able to have one He wanted to have the biggest candy So Timothy opened up the giant tube and started sucking down that sandy sugar inside. But as soon as he tasted it, he told his dad that it had kind of like a strange bitter taste. And considering this was a sour and sweet candy, this wasn't too odd of a comment. So Ronald gave him a glass of coolade to replace the bad
Starting point is 00:06:05 taste. That seemed to make things better for the moment, so Ronald headed out of Timothy's room, but less than a minute later, Timothy cried for his dad saying that his stomach really hurt. They went to the bathroom together as Timothy began vomiting and convulsing. He then began gasping for air as though he couldn't breathe and then he passed out. So Ronald immediately called in ambulance while he tended to Timothy. When the ambulance got there and loaded Timothy in, they sped
Starting point is 00:06:35 over to the closest hospital, which was just minutes away in Pasadena, Texas, Southmore Hospital. But before they arrived, Timothy was pronounced dead. As the investigation into Timothy's death began, his father Ronald cried that Timothy didn't have an enemy in the world and explained how the evening transpired. But they couldn't be clear on the cause of death until the autopsy was conducted. And during the autopsy, the medical examiner noticed that Timothy's mouth kind of smelled like almonds, and interestingly enough, this is actually a big indicator of cyanide poisoning, and the medical examiner was aware of this.
Starting point is 00:07:14 Cyanide is a highly toxic chemical compound that's often used to kill pests and rodents, but it can also be used to make plastics and textiles. Here's what happens when a person consumes cyanide. It prevents your cells from being able to use oxygen, and with that, your cells die and your body shuts down because it can't bring oxygen to your heart or your brain. So Timothy's convulsions and gasping makes a lot of sense with cyanide poisoning. And after the autopsy was conducted, it was determined that Timothy's body makes a lot of sense with cyanide poisoning. And after the autopsy was conducted, it was determined that Timothy's body
Starting point is 00:07:48 had a lot of cyanide in it. So much that it could have killed at least two adults. After Ronald had told police that the only thing Timothy had consumed before he died was that large pixie stick. They took it in for testing. Luckily, news are on the area spread fast, and parents took candy away from their children in fear that their goodies were also poisoned. Many parents even handed over candy to the police so they could test it, but they started
Starting point is 00:08:17 with Timothy's pixie stick as well as the one that Elizabeth and the neighbors had. When they found that another kid in the neighborhood had received one as well, the one that Ronald recognized from church. They immediately called the parents to tell them to bring the pixie stick in, but they couldn't find it. And obviously they were then terrified that their son had consumed it, but when they went to his room, he was laying in bed asleep, holding said pixie stick. He had apparently tried to eat it, but couldn't get it open. Turns out, all five of the Pixie sticks had been stapled shut on one end, and they all had about two inches of cyanide sitting at the top on the stapled end.
Starting point is 00:09:00 All four of the other Pixie sticks had more cyanide than the one that Timothy consumed, and they had enough to kill three to four adults instead of just two. But luckily, none of them ate it. I feel like this is seriously a miracle. I mean, it's really unfortunate that Timothy died, but at the same time, you could have had five dead kids on your hands. Can you believe that the one kid tried to eat it? He just couldn't get the staple off. That was his whole thing. Could you, he tried? Yeah, could you imagine being those parents
Starting point is 00:09:32 and they take it in and they find out that there actually was cyanide in the pixie stick and then you're like, oh my god, my son or daughter was just holding this like... Yeah, talk about a close call. Yeah, really close call yeah really close call there and by the way potassium cyanide can be found in a powder form and it's just a white powder that's kind of crystally like sugar but more of like a flower like consistency so it matched well with the candy in the tube because for those who have never had pixie sticks this small ones like the
Starting point is 00:10:02 regular size are paper tubes filled withie sticks, the small ones, like the regular size, are paper tubes filled with flavored sugar, and the big ones, the ones that the kids got, are nearly two feet long, and they're these thick plastic tubes. So usually you would either rip off the tip of the paper and dump the tube in your mouth, or you cut off the tip of the big plastic tube, like with scissors, and dump that in your mouth.
Starting point is 00:10:25 So what someone did here is they snipped off the tip of the plastic tube, poured in some cyanide and then stapled it shut. But of course, a kid wouldn't know that it wasn't supposed to be stapled, hence why Timothy consumed it. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I remember getting pixie sticks on Halloween. And I remember the big two ones.
Starting point is 00:10:43 Oh, I used to love those. That was like one of my favorites somehow it's now it's so gross to think about yeah it's so funny like it's literally just like flavored sugar. Yeah, I mean I like I know like that's all that candy bars are but I mean literally it's just. Granules of flavored sugar basically but I don't know if you're a weirdo like me used to with the paper ones You just used to eat the paper too. I don't know. I was kind of a fucking weird kid I I get like chewing on the the big plastic ones I think the whole fun thing about the the big ones was that they were big You're like I have this huge stick of candy Like that's just a monster stick a sugar
Starting point is 00:11:24 Yeah, so and just like when you would go to the the nice houses and get the big candy bars, like we kids just like anything that's big. So of course, it makes sense why Timothy decided that this was the one piece of candy he wanted to have that night. I'm just surprised that the other kids didn't decide the same thing. Like this is the big one, you know, yeah, and it was weird because the big pixie sticks were the more expensive than regular candy and more expensive than any of the other candy they got.
Starting point is 00:11:51 So this was like a special piece of candy. So now police knew that someone had poisoned candy and that Pasadena Texas neighborhood. They just needed Ronald to help them find the house that gave them those pixie sticks. But Ronald told police that he couldn't remember which house they had gotten that specific candy from. And this would make sense considering when you're trick or treating you get candy from countless
Starting point is 00:12:16 houses and don't know exactly who gives you what. But considering we know that Ronald had been the one to get those pixie sticks from the house himself. You'd think he'd remember which house had given them to him. Like he was the one who went up to that house and was like, you know, dead set on getting candy from that house. You think if he would remember any of the houses, it would be that one. Right.
Starting point is 00:12:38 He also told police that he couldn't remember what the person who gave them to him looked like. When he went up to the house, Ronald said that a man just opened the door slightly and stuck his hand out holding five pixie sticks. The only detail he could give police was that the man's arm was hairy. Okay, wait, so you know that the man's arm was hairy. You know that he opened the door slightly, but you can't remember which house it was that gave you the pixie sticks? Bullshit. Yeah, it doesn't make sense and police were thinking the same thing They're like really dude that Halloween night in 1974 it rained not super hard It was more like a kind of a heavy drizzle, but this stopped many kids from trick-or-treating that evening
Starting point is 00:13:18 So most of the streets were pretty quiet that night and even though the O'Brien's and their neighbors the Bates' actually went out that night, they didn't stay out for very long and they only hit houses on two different streets before heading home. Since Jim Bates didn't know where the Pixie Six came from and Ronald couldn't remember, investigators went house to house in that area and asked everyone what kind of candy they passed out on Halloween. But no one said pixie sticks. So then they brought Ronald around with them as they went house to house and he just couldn't remember. That was until the third time around. He finally saw that house without the lights and he knew
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Starting point is 00:15:47 coffees these days, but now you can enjoy one at your very own home for about two to three dollars, depending on what Kevla products you try. I also had a Kevla product before we recorded this. I had the chocolate bar and it's amazing. So you guys need to try Kefla. We can't rave about them and they're uniquely delicious products enough. So head on over to KeflaOrganics. That's keflaOrganics.com and get 20% off your order using code going west 20. That's KeflaOrganics.com using code going West 20 no spaces. So what are you guys waiting for? Go get some Kaffla products. When police knocked on the door of the once darkened house, they found a man named Courtney
Starting point is 00:16:53 Melvin. He was the only man that lived there, so Ronald was confident that this was the man who had handed him the pixie sticks. He lived in the house with his wife and daughter, so police questioned all of them about that Halloween night. The reason the house was dark that night was because the wife and daughter, who had spent the evening passing out candy, had run out of treats so they shut out the lights to deter potential trick-or-treaters. They denied ever opening the door for anyone, including Ronald, once the lights went out, and regarding Courtney Melvin,
Starting point is 00:17:26 he claimed that he was at work that evening till around 11 p.m. Courtney worked at William P. Hobbie Airport in Houston as an air traffic controller. So he's the guy that kind of guides plans to safety. When police went to confirm whether or not he was working that evening, over 200 employees
Starting point is 00:17:46 could verify that he had indeed worked that evening. So this was a very solid alibi, and there's no getting around that. At this point, police became very suspicious of Ronald O'Brien. First, he said he didn't know what house it was. Then, after circling the neighborhood three three times he remembered which one it was, but of course he had no description of who even gave him said candy. And why did he even go back to the house for the candy? You know, like why don't you just join the group and carry on to the next house?
Starting point is 00:18:19 Why did he need to get candy from that house? And clearly Courtney Melvin had a solid alibi, so Ronald just wasn't being truthful. So investigators looked further into Ronald to see if he could possibly have some kind of motive for murdering his own son and attempting to murder his daughter and other neighborhood kids. And that's when they discovered something very suspicious about Ronald. Because of Ronald's job issues, he had quite the money troubles. In fact, he was in over $100,000 worth of debt, which today is around $500,000. And much of this debt came from taking out several different big loans, but still this is a lot of debt.
Starting point is 00:19:03 And he was taking about $150 home each week from his optician job, which today is around $750 a week, so not bad at all, but he also had to support his wife, his kids, and himself. So this was definitely not enough to do that and make payments towards this large debt. So pretty much, Ronald just seems like a deadbeat who just kind of can't get a shit together. Yeah, I don't know why he had to have so many jobs, but he was going to school at this time, so I think maybe he was trying to turn it around, but I don't think he was trying very hard. Yeah, I mean $100,000 worth of debt, or I guess today $500,000 worth of debt. That's a lot of debt. I mean, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:19:46 That's daunting. Like, oh my God, I can't even imagine. Well, yeah, when you think about that, it's like what? Like, obviously, bank loans for what? I'm curious, you know? Maybe his house, I couldn't find that information. I'm assuming his house and other things,
Starting point is 00:19:59 but again, that's a lot of money. It is a lot of money, yeah. But they did live in a really nice neighborhood, so I'm not sure if maybe he just took out a bank loan for the house and he just couldn't make payments. I'm assuming it's that kind of thing. That's probably what happened. And why is this even relevant?
Starting point is 00:20:16 Well, Ronald's children had life insurance policies on them. Meanwhile, he and his wife didn't have any taken out on them. The children's had only recently been taken out for $20,000 each. But right before Halloween, there was a clause added that would reward Ronald with $40,000 per child upon their death, which today is over $200,000 per child. Meaning if both Timothy and Elizabeth died, he'd be able to knock off half of his debt. So obviously, Ronald became a suspect right away.
Starting point is 00:20:53 But police even stated that they were pretty put off by him before he was even considered a suspect because he just kind of rubbed you the wrong way. In fact, the morning after Timothy had died, literally hours after his death. At 9 a.m. on November 1, 1974, Ronald called the insurance company to ask when he could collect his money. And if that doesn't scream guilty, I don't know what does. Danine, who remember as Timothy's mom and Ronald's wife, denied knowing anything about any of this.
Starting point is 00:21:28 And when she found out, she was utterly horrified. She didn't know he had taken out life insurance policies on either of their children and swore that she took no part in the side-night poisoning, nor did she know Ronald was planning to do such a thing. Police weren't suspicious of her anyway, and Ronald didn't out her. But he also didn't admit guilt himself. He denied having any involvement in it as well. But the suspicions just kept rolling in.
Starting point is 00:21:56 When police searched the house, they found a piece of adding machine tape that told all to the same amount that Ronald would collect from Timothy's death. And next to this, with the amount for bills he owed written out, as if he was comparing the amount of his bills with this other amount on the adding machine. Like which bills he could take care of now that his son is dead. That's just so messed up. And on top of all of this, months leading up to Halloween, Ronald had asked many people
Starting point is 00:22:28 about cyanide. Ronald was attending community college at the time of Timothy's death, and before Halloween, he had asked one of his professors if cyanide was more lethal than another type of poison. The professor didn't know why he was asking such a question, but of course, hindsight's 2020, so this wasn't concerning until after the fact. Also, Ronald had called up one of his friends who worked at a chemical plant and asked him how much cyanide could kill a person. Ronald also visited a chemical supply company that was located in Houston and tried to buy cyanide directly from them. But after they told him he could only buy 5 pounds of it, he left.
Starting point is 00:23:12 Which is so odd because 5 pounds is a lot. Considering each tube only had an inch or two of cyanide and that was more than fatal, like how is 5 pounds not enough in his mind? Yeah, what the hell was he gonna do with five pounds? Like, imagine if this guy never got caught. I can, I'm just like, for some reason I'm for seeing him, like, not getting caught and then using the rest of the cyanide to like, kill his wife, whom he just took out a life insurance policy on.
Starting point is 00:23:43 You know what I mean? Oh, totally. Like, that's something that he would do, because he's just that guy. And as if all these occurrences aren't suspicious enough, many co-workers and friends of Ronald's told police that they had also noticed him talking about cyanide before the killing. I'm so glad that so many murderers are this stupid so we can catch them but wow really? How are you gonna explain that later when all these people find out your son died via cyanide? And you just happen to ask them all these questions about it and how it can
Starting point is 00:24:15 kill people. Like how are you gonna explain that? And if you're gonna use cyanide to kill people, why the fuck are you talking to everybody about it? You moron. And this part reminds me of the Stephen Rico case for everyone who has not listened to that. It was a few weeks back Stephen Rico. Really crazy episode, but this reminds me of that too, how the guilty party what it's telling everybody about it prior. Like just what are you doing? Blabber melting around. Implicating yourself, like, wow. Since they knew Ronald hadn't gotten the cyanide
Starting point is 00:24:48 from that one chemical supply company, they couldn't figure out exactly where he had gotten it from. It being 1974, they also couldn't test any DNA in this case, but they did have a pretty damning piece of physical evidence. While searching the house, police also came across a pocket knife that belonged to Ronald, and it had candy residue on it, as if he had used this to cut the tube
Starting point is 00:25:12 and or pull candy out of the pixie stick tube. So police brought him down again for questioning and asked him to take a polygraph, and these aren't always reliable, and it's especially hard when the person is close to the victim, because their responses may be emotionally contaminated, but they asked him to do in any way, and he failed. It goes without saying that on November 5th, 1974, just five days after Timothy's death, police arrested 30-year-old Ronald O'Brien for the first-degree murder of his eight-year-old son, Timothy O'Brien, and four counts of attempted murder for his daughter Elizabeth, the two neighbor kids, and the kid from the church. Ronald maintained his innocence, and when the
Starting point is 00:25:56 trial began about seven months later on May 5, 1975 in Houston, Texas. He pleaded not guilty to all five counts against him. And this is when he was dubbed by the press as The Candyman and the man who killed Halloween. During the trial, many people came forward regarding Ronald discussing cyanide and this included his friend who he'd asked how much was lethal to a who he'd asked how much was lethal to, a salesman from the Houston Chemical Supply Company, and other friends and co-workers who would confirm that Ronald had been talking about cyanide leaning up to Halloween. The salesman also said that he couldn't identify Ronald specifically, but he said he remembered that the man was wearing a blue doctor's smock, and we know that Ronald had a uniform just like this for his optician job. Some family also testified regarding the fact that during Timothy's funeral,
Starting point is 00:26:54 which was before Ronald's arrest, Ronald almost bragged about what he was going to do with Timothy's life insurance money, including probably taking a long vacation. After Ronald's arrest, his wife, Daneen, filed for divorce, which was finalized the same year as the trial. So, again, Ronald O'Brien maintained his innocence throughout the trial, and he seemed to love all the attention that he was getting. He wasn't playing the grieving, innocent father at all. His defense tried to paint the picture that Ronald was innocent in the light of urban legends.
Starting point is 00:27:29 They discussed various urban legends that existed by this time, regarding crazed candy poisonous, who wanted to wreck havoc on neighborhoods and kill random kids at large just for the sake of causing trouble. They tried to say that these things don't actually happen, they're just urban legends. Meanwhile, they tried to prove that Ronald O'Brien was nothing other than a caring Christian father who went to church and loved his children. Sure, he was struggling with money, but a good Christian father wouldn't plot something so ridiculous and storybook-like just to pay off his debts. So his defense lawyers say.
Starting point is 00:28:09 Yeah, he's just an evil, evil man. But thanks to all the witness statements and suspicious evidence, on June 3rd, 1975, nearly one month after the trial began, a jury deliberated over just 46 minutes and found Ronald O'Brien guilty of all five counts. Ronald was sentenced to life in prison, and then, with another 71-minute discussion, he was sentenced to death. Based on interviews and information from the investigation, here's what really happened that night. That evening, when they came upon the house with no lights, Ronald hung back for a minute. That's when he took out five twenty-one-inch pixie sticks that he had brought with him, and they already had
Starting point is 00:28:55 the sign-eyed in them. He then caught up with his group and handed them to the kids, telling them that he had gotten them from the house with no lights on. He said they'd open the door for him, but he hadn't. This was just his way of getting the pixie sticks in their candy bags after having previously filled them with cyanide at home. And even more horrible, when they got home and he told Timothy and Elizabeth that they could only have one piece, Ronald helped Timothy open the tube, and when he did, it was too clumped at the top to come out. So Ronald had to roll the tube between his hands to loosen it up before dumping it into Timothy's mouth. So he literally fed his child, the poison, knowing exactly what it was.
Starting point is 00:29:41 Even after his conviction, and up to his execution, Ronald maintained his innocence. He would spend the next nine years on death row and Huntsville, Texas, and everyone else on death row absolutely hated him knowing that he had killed not just a child, but his own child. Originally, Ronald was supposed to be put to death on August 8, 1980, so nearly six years after Timothy's murder, but then it was rescheduled four more times due to legal qualms. He appealed multiple times, but they were all denied. And just after midnight, on March 31, 1984, 39-year-old Ronald O'Brien was put to death
Starting point is 00:30:24 by lethal injection. Before his execution, his ex-wife, Daneen, told the press, I'm glad it's coming to an end. I don't think Ronald is a sick or insane person, but he is perverted. Ronald O'Brien's final meal consisted of steak, French fries, peas, and Boston cream pie. And his final statements included him stating his innocence and his belief that the death penalty is wrong. As his execution was underway, many people held signs outside that said things like trick-or-treat
Starting point is 00:31:00 or candy man. And some people actually threw candy at anti-death penalty protesters and screamed trick or treat at them. But all in all, the general consensus of people in Deer Park, Texas, and beyond, truly felt that Ronald was guilty of the crime against his son. So when he was finally put to death, many felt that their very own boogeyman was gone for good. death, many felt that their very own boogeyman was gone for good. Thank you so much everybody for listening to this episode of Going West. Yes, thank you guys so much for listening, happy Halloween, and next week we'll have an all new case for you guys to dive into.
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