Good Inside with Dr. Becky - Self-Care Is An Inside Job
Episode Date: July 18, 2023Self-care is everywhere but what is it really? Real self-care is not a bubble bath or a massage or a yoga class. Real self-care is an inside job. Dr. Pooja Lakshmin, author of Real Self-Care,  joins ...Dr. Becky to talk about how women and parents can discover what caring for yourself really looks like. Our podcast feed has gotten a little unruly, so in an effort to curate it for you, we are picking a few of our must listen episodes from the back catalog for you to enjoy. We will continue to rotate these episodes as the season unfolds. And as always, for more parenting scripts, resources, and full access to the entire podcast catalog visit goodinside.comJoin Good Inside Membership: bit.ly/3NRXU3hFollow Dr. Becky on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drbeckyatgoodinsideSign up for our weekly email, Good Insider: https://www.goodinside.com/newsletterOrder Dr. Becky's book, Good Inside: A Guide to Becoming the Parent You Want to Be, at goodinside.com/book or wherever you order your books.For a full transcript of the episode, go to goodinside.com/podcastOrder Dr. Lakshmin's book Real Self-Care: A Transformative Program for Redefining Wellness (Crystals, Cleanses, and Bubble Baths Not Included) at https://www.poojalakshmin.com/realselfcare or wherever you order your books.Â
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I'm Dr. Becky, and this is Good Inside.
Self-care.
I mean, we hear that term everywhere these days, and yet many of us still don't know what
to make of it, or we might even have an IRL reaction to it.
My guest today, Dr. Pujo Luxman, helps clarify what it really means to take care of yourself.
The title of her book, Real Self Care,
Crystal's, Cleanses and Bubble Bass, not included.
Probably gives you a sense of her unique take on the matter.
What comes up for you when you hear that word,
self-care, and then maybe talk a little bit
about how you're rebranding it.
Yeah, absolutely. So I think kind of the classic example is in my practice, you know,
I'm a psychiatrist, I specialize in women's mental health. So all my patients are women,
and most of them are moms, not all, but a good number of them are moms. So it's the patient
who comes in and is like, you know, Dr. Lecciman, I'm stressed out, I'm burnt out, I'm not sleeping well, I'm not eating well, and I feel like
it's my fault because, you know, I have this meditation app that I know I'm supposed
to be using, and I know I should go to yoga, and I know I should do X, Y, Z, but I just
don't have the time.
I don't know how to find the time, and so then I feel bad, and I feel guilty, and I feel
ashamed.
So, you know, essentially I'm screaming
to my patients all the time, like this isn't your fault.
The game is rigged and I wrote for the New York Times,
I think last year or the year before,
that, you know, this is betrayal, not burnout,
that the systems that we're living in
are completely stacked against us
and especially for your audience, parents,
right? We know in America, and I know there's folks, you know, internationally in the good
inside community. And so this isn't just an American problem. I think everywhere globally,
being a caregiver of any kind, whether it's to little kids or whether it's to other family members,
to little kids or whether it's to other family members, you are front and center in sort of the fight
for constantly having to figure out how to navigate
your own needs and preferences and demands
and to be giving to the people you're responsible for
and then living in a social structure
where that's not supported.
It's not made like that for us.
So getting back to your original question, you know, part of what I wanted to really be
putting out there is that, and you know, this as a psychologist, like the reality is
that there are best practices.
There are things that we can do to take back our agency.
Those are internal.
They're not necessarily something that you buy
or something that you check off a list.
And so I'm reframing self-care as something that is a verb,
not a noun, it's something that we do on the inside.
And so I think it's really kind of the perfect conversation
to be having with you,
sort of especially in the parenting space, you know,
in the good inside community, I think it really is about
like bringing it back to the internal.
We'll be right back. So real self-care, faux self-care.
Can you differentiate these two?
Yeah.
So the faux self-care is the bubble bath, the massage,
the yoga class, and before anybody comes at me
because I know people who love their massages
and their bovaths are listening and just like,
but I love that. It's not that those are bad. I'm not trying to demonize them. It's all
about how, how you come to the thing. So here's an example. There could be a person, a mom, let's say,
who is sitting in her bubble bath, seething in anger and resentment because the dishes are piled up.
The kids don't have their lunches ready for school the next day.
All the stuff that was supposed to be done in the house didn't get done.
And she is using the bubble bath as an escape from the hard conversation.
Maybe that she needs to be having with her partner.
On the other hand, somebody could be in that bubble bath.
And they could have done
the hard work of kind of like setting boundaries, bringing compassion to themselves, having a hard
conversation with their partner about the mental load and the division of labor and sort of what
needs to happen. And they could actually really be present in that bath and know that they need
an hour a week where their partner does bedtime and they get to kind of relax.
That's a really different bubble bath. So it's less about demonizing any of these methods,
right? I call these things the methods, and more about bringing our attention to the principles,
the internal principles of how you actually get to the thing.
Well, it seems like you're talking less about form.
You're like, let's move away from form
and let's really pay attention to what's going on in you.
You said, I love this line, you say,
like real self-care is an inside job.
The data your body gives you about how it feels,
what's going on for you,
if you're getting what you need,
that's way more important data than the thing
of how it looks on the surface, the form it takes.
Yeah, like, bring it back to process, which makes sense, like, you know, given our expertise
is we're always sort of thinking about what's the why, what's the how, and when you get
too far away from the how and the why, that's when it's easy to sort of get lost.
And I think in particular for moms, like part of the reason that the faux self-care feels faux is
because we are, you know, you're given sort of like a suggestion, well, why don't you just meditate
or like, why don't you go to yoga or why don't you get a massage.
And it kind of feels like, well, that might work for someone else, but you need to figure
out your actual internal process and then figure out what your form of real self-care is.
It takes actually a little bit deeper reflection, sort of understanding of your own unique
family situation, circumstances, life stage, you know, all of understanding of your own unique family situation, circumstances,
life stage, you know, all of those different things to know what your exact form is going
to be.
And so I imagine people listening to this and thinking, yes, that makes so much sense.
And that is why maybe the bubble bath and massage doesn't work for me.
Maybe there's nothing wrong with me.
Maybe that just doesn't work for me. Maybe there's nothing wrong with me. Maybe that just doesn't work for me.
Right? I often think that's a kind of a fork in the road.
Something's wrong with me or this isn't working for me.
And that ladder road, I think, is a lot more empowering.
So if someone's thinking that, now I go, okay,
but how do I figure out what could work for me?
Like, how do you help people with that process?
Yeah, so I think the first step is understanding that it takes time. It's not usually something that
like the answer doesn't fully come overnight. And so even in real self-care in the book, a lot of
the kind of thought exercises are more
about asking yourself different types of questions, like thinking about what matters to
you and what gives you energy and what brings energy to your life.
So that's sort of like the level setting of understanding that it's going to be a little
bit of a journey to sort of figure out the answers.
And then there's two things. So like the first principle is boundaries. The first principle of real soft care is understanding how to communicate those boundaries and to deal with the guilt
that comes up with boundaries. And I know that you talk about this all the time. So many of us
talk about boundaries. And it's it's funny. I think boundaries have become sort of a buzzword
One of my pet theories for why that is is because I think because it's so hard
It's actually really hard to set boundaries and so that's why we're all talking about it because we know how hard it is
But that's step one of real self-care because without the boundary, like the boundary is how you even take back the space
to even begin to figure out what you want and what you need.
And I think there, Pooja, like,
I'm just thinking this as we talk, like,
I think boundaries has become such a hot topic
because there's more coming at us
and more threatening to flow into us
than their ever was.
Like I often think about my parents,
my mom was a working inside the home mom,
three kids, right on one of three.
And like if she wanted to,
I don't know, take a break or something like that,
do something.
She wasn't confronted, not only with her kids,
but she wasn't confronted by social media,
by the ding on her phone, by the email,
by the thing she could order right away on Amazon.
And so setting up boundary, I think it used to be easier
because there wasn't so much flowing in
about all this information, all these tasks.
Now for me, I have three kids too.
And if I want to set a boundary,
not only do I have to say something to my kids,
which my mom maybe would have also
not available, I'm doing something,
I also have to set a boundary against all of this technology
and the ability to do a million things on my phone.
There's always, I could do this, I could get this done.
I have to respond to that text message.
There's an email, there's a bill to pay.
There's so much we can do that I think found resetting is harder and more
important than ever.
Yeah. I 100% agree, you know, when I was pregnant with my son who's now almost 10 months old,
which is just wild. I was talking to my psychoanalyst who is over 60 and she was basically saying
the same thing. Like, she was kind of just like, I am so glad that I parented before social media and phones
and all these things because it's just constantly there.
And the stimulation, and I also think part of it too, especially in the parenting conversation
is that I think we all really want to be doing a good job.
We all want to be effective and to know that we matter,
that we're doing the right things.
And so I think especially with our phones,
the dopamine hit that you get from sort of like sending a quick email reply
for checking something off the list, it's so seductive and powerful
that you have to really kind of take a set back to understand like what's happening
and then figure out a way to bring yourself out of it. And I will say for myself, it's
really hard. It's really hard. I'm by no means perfect at this. I'm not even great at it.
The technology itself. I would not put myself in a good category either.
Okay. So your principles around real self-care.
So one is setting boundaries, right, because in order to have space for yourself, in order to have
space to even wonder what could feel good to yourself, you need to protect yourself and that goes
back to boundaries. Okay, so what else? What else kind of comes into play in terms of those
principles? Yeah, so the next principle, principle number two, is self-compassion.
And, you know, I kind of always thought a self-compassion previously is sort of like,
woo-woo, a little bit irole, but the conceptualization that I use for self-compassion comes from Dr.
Kristen Neff, kind of the foremost researcher on self-compassion. And when we're talking about self-compassion here in this context, it's about how you talk to yourself. And it's pulling
from psychological flexibility, from act, acceptance and commitment therapy. So it's more about
really paying attention to that inner critic that is sort of always there and sort of always
telling you, well, you could have have done more you didn't do enough
You're not good enough and pushing back on that voice and saying but we gosh
Why am I so mean to myself?
Where did I learn that huh?
Ouch
Would I talk to a friend that way and I know you talk about this too kind of this martyr mode that we get into especially
kind of this martyr mode that we get into, especially for moms, and sort of recognizing when that's happening, and instead of falling into selfless or selfish, finding that middle
ground of good enough.
And with self compassion, I think the thing that I always come back to is like, you have
to remember that you're the only person that can give that to yourself.
If you're waiting around for somebody else to give you that permission, it's real, it's
not going to come.
How do you feel like parents start that?
Because it is so natural for so many people to struggle and then blame themselves and then
lay around shame.
Oh, I'm such an idiot.
I can't believe I did that.
Oh, no other parent would have yelled at their kid
in that way.
Or I told myself, I would go to the gym today,
not from a place of shame, from a place of empowerment.
And I still didn't.
What is wrong with me?
Where does someone start?
So I'm like, OK, remember that second principle,
I have to build self-compassion.
Well, that was not very self-compassionate.
What could come next?
Yeah. So I think of two things.
One is coming back to, again, the system is rigged.
So the reason it's so hard is because a lot of the expectations
that are put on parents are totally make belief, really.
You know, that it's really tough to make these choices and the outside system is really
pushing against us, whether we're talking about patriarchy, whether we're talking about
white supremacy, whether we're talking about end-stage capitalism, all these different
things, right?
They're all pushing against us.
So you making the decision as a parent to try and exercise three times a week is actually,
that's a radical decision and there's a reason
that it feels hard. Second, I would say instead of beating yourself up, understand that,
you know, this is a marathon. Like all of these habits, whatever it is, it takes time
to put them into place.
And the goal is not perfection here.
Yes, of course, there's going to be days where you don't get to it, where it doesn't work,
where things fall apart.
And the actual practice is just getting back, getting back on the horse, right?
It's not about achieving 100%.
It's not about getting all the gold stars.
It's actually, well, what do you do when it doesn't go to plan?
I had an advisor when I was in my training who said,
like, the marker of success actually is what someone does
after they fail.
That's sort of the real prognostic indicator
of kind of psychological health.
So that's the other piece. And I also just
want to add like I recognize too, like it's really tough. It's not like any of this stuff is easy
in terms of even the self-compassion. But I think when you start to think of it more from like we've
been saying in internal lens, how do I talk to myself? When I don't get that run in, when I don't do the thing
that I know is good for me, even though I really intended to, can I give myself the same compassion
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Can you name the other two principles just to kind of wrap up the four? Yeah, absolutely. So the third principle is identifying your values. And I created a
tool called the Real Self Care Compass that kind of helps folks hone in on what like what do I
really care about? Because I think sometimes values can be a little bit of a triggering word for people,
because it's sort of like, well, I mean, I love my family, you know, like, I really care
about my kids. And it's like, well, values, words, or adjectives, or adverbs, right? It's the how.
It's what is the thing that you're bringing to it? So I use this as an example of imagining you
have $200 to throw a dinner party. What is your dinner party you're gonna look like?
And it's really easy in that example to know and see
immediately that every single person on the planet
is gonna throw a completely different dinner party.
Like, is it gonna be a potlock
or are you gonna have it at the park
or are you gonna have people dress up in costumes?
And then from that you sort of look at,
oh, well, like what are the values that came out there?
Maybe for me, it's really important that everyone's of look at, oh, well, like, what are the values that came out there?
Maybe for me, it's really important that everyone's having, like, laughing, maybe silliness
and humor for me is something that really fills me up.
So then how do I bring that into my parenting?
Maybe I should look at having more kind of unstructured, spontaneous time on the weekends
with my kids.
So there's so many different ways you can go with that, but when I'm talking about values
That's what I mean sort of like the how and then the last principle is
Remembering that this is power this whole process of reconsensualizing self-care and taking ownership of it for ourselves
This is about taking power back from oppressive systems. So, you know, Audrey Lorde said that self-care
is self-preservation.
So, in the choices that we make in our own families,
in our own workplaces, in our own communities,
that's how we model for others that change is possible.
And I'm just thinking about those principles, right?
So, boundaries, self-compassion, values, power.
And one of the things I think about a lot is if we go back to our earliest days, maybe not day one, but let's say, I don't know, 7, 8, 9 or something
like that, right? I'm just thinking about our experiences as a baby, where you're hungry, you scream
and cry out for food. I don't know any babies.
Like, oh, am I asking for too much?
Like, maybe it's too much, you know?
Like, I feel bad.
I'm not gonna ask.
That's not what happens at least right away.
Or you are working on crawling
and you don't get it that day.
I just don't know what baby's like,
oh, I'm such an idiot.
Like, I wanted to do that and I can.
I'm an awful baby, right?
Or, you know, and so what that always makes me think about is like, we were not born
questioning ourselves.
We were not born wondering if we were too much.
We were not born being critical after we struggled with something we wanted to do.
Like those voices were not there.
And so that gives me a lot of compassion toward myself.
When I notice those voices activate,
and kind of say, well, I've taken in these voices
over the course of my years,
but like they weren't there to begin with.
And that gives me a little distance from them.
Yeah, right.
And also brings like a little humor,
which to me always helps move things forward. Yeah, absolutely. And also brings like a little humor, which to me always helps, you know, move things forward.
Yeah, absolutely. I think that's really powerful and just such a nice reminder. My son is just learned to crawl.
And so, which is a really fun age. And yeah, he's, he is just going for it, right? He's just going for it.
He's hurling himself everywhere, which is really fun. But yeah, there's not a doubt in his mind that he can do what he wants to do. And inconveniences you all the time.
Because then you're like, oh, I got to pick you up from there. Like, oh, you're crawling
toward our knife block. Right. Whatever it is. And like, I got to stop what I'm doing. Like, our
babies, especially they inconvenience us all the time. They they cut us up in the middle of the night
because they're hungry. Like they do not do that. Right. Because it might inconvenience especially. They inconvenience us all the time. They wake us up in the middle of the night because they're hungry.
Like, they do not do that
because it might inconvenience us.
They are very willing to like step into their power.
We at one point were very willing to step into our power.
Yeah, and I think like once you sort of recognize
that it's easier to feel it
and to kind of visualize what that was like, because everybody
I think can think back to a time, like you were saying, in our younger years, before we
knew that we were supposed to sort of turn the volume down.
And I think about sort of in the parenting conversation, I think sometimes that I do think sometimes it can feel like there could be some grief
around this, I think, like kind of feeling like, well, but now my life is such that I need to be
the person that is sort of constantly watching out for the knife blocks and sort of like hyper vigilant
right because if I'm not there doing that,
well things go off the rails.
And so I also want to sort of just say that
I think we can trust ourselves, you know,
we can trust ourselves to understand that this is a balance
and that like by you sort of constantly assuming that there is something good that comes when you're able to re-access that part of your humanity.
And we're not saying it's sort of like all the time, willy nilly, but that when you're able to remember it and feel it and then thread that through your week,
you're parenting from a very different space.
Yeah.
So what are the parents who are listening
who are thinking like,
it's just like one more thing on my list.
Like I am in it.
I am totally in it.
I am just trying to survive.
A kind of surviving versus thriving arriving, a kind of difference.
Where does self-care fit in there?
Yeah. So this is a question I've been thinking a lot about.
Because I think when you're surviving,
when you're in that surviving place,
sometimes you really do need those life rafts of the foe.
You just need the escape.
You need to be able to just sit there and doom scroll if you're going to doom scroll or to just totally zone out to some Netflix and
not beat yourself up for it.
I think that knowing where you are on the map is really important and
this is also why boundaries is the first principle and like we're just always kind of coming back to boundaries because when you're in that survival space, usually not all the time, but usually it means that you have too much.
You're doing too much and so step one is kind of learning to figure out what are the things
that you can let go. And I fully disclose in the book, I say like, but sometimes it feels like,
you know, all of the things. They're all glass balls, right? They're not there's no rubber ball.
They're all glass balls. And if I let one thing go, it's going to break and shatter. I think that's
where you have to really learn to trust your community, your relationships, where you have to develop some of these skills of asking for help.
This is really a process of getting creative and understanding that none of us can do this
alone.
Yeah.
And something I want to add to everyone listening, because in that kind of surviving
stage is, if you're in a surviving, not at all thriving stage, you know, it feels like you're like in a hole. Like it feels like you're in a surviving not at all thriving stage, you know, it feels
like you're like in a hole, like it feels like you're in a hole. And it does take energy
to get out of a hole. I agree. And there's times you don't have energy. And to me, when I'm
in one of those phases, one of the things I try to imagine is Becky, can I just not dig this
deeper because that also takes energy. Like, you're okay, I don't have energy to climb out,
but it actually also takes energy to dig deeper
into the hole. And when we think about self-care as an action to take, I gotta get to that yoga class,
I gotta take that bubble bath, I have to order a bubble bath that I've with a scent I like.
Then yeah, it's like, I don't have energy to do that. And I think it's okay to say, that's true.
You really might not. But when you think about self-care as an inside job, like you say,
well, can I today just be a little more aware of how I talked to myself?
Because every time I tell myself, I'm a piece of blank.
Every time I say, um, the worst parent in the world, I actually am using my energy and then I think to dig myself.
I don't have that energy.
If I had that energy, I should probably do something to move myself up.
At least, let me not dig myself deeper.
So if I can say to myself, which takes not a lot of time,
maybe it's opposed it on my mirror, hey, this feels hard because it is hard. Hey, this is a really
hard stage in my life, and I'm going to get to the other side. Or just this is a really hard stage
in my life. I'm a good person doing the best I can. That doesn't take the same amount of energy as
like going to drive and see my friend for dinner four four towns away. No, I, okay, but that can stop us from going deeper into the whole.
And to me, the difference between staying where you are versus digging deeper is actually
a substantial difference, cameulatively.
And so I think for everyone in that surviving stage, just being aware, the way I talk to
myself can kind of keep me
where I am. It might even without me realizing, start to move me up closer to baseline, get
out of that hole, and it doesn't take the same type of energy as kind of doing or going
somewhere.
One hundred percent, I think that it also can lead to making it feel a little bit easier to set some of
those boundaries, too, because I think the boundaries piece can feel hard when you're
really in that hole and flooded with all the stuff and overwhelmed.
So bringing in the self-compassion and how you're talking to yourself and threading it through, then makes it
a little bit more gentle to figure out
what you can let go of.
Yeah, I think that that totally makes sense.
So one of the things I love in your book
is you have a lot of kind of exercises people can do.
Could you kind of lead us through, you know,
in this kind of moment toward the end of our conversation,
could you just like lead us through one of them
or walk through one of them? Yeah, absolutely. You know, the dinner kind of moment toward the end of our conversation, could you just like lead us through one of them or walk through one of them?
Yeah, absolutely, you know, the dinner party one I think is a really nice
one to sort of dive deeper into so maybe we can touch on that a little bit. Sure, great. Yeah. So
you're imagining that you have
$200 to spend on this dinner party and
have $200 to spend on this dinner party. And there's no right or wrong answer
of how you're going to approach the dinner party.
The whole point is that it's a fantasy, right?
And so one way to think about this
is to really let your mind sort of just dream it up.
You know, am I the type of person
that really wants folks to show up and have fun?
Am I gonna ask everybody to bring a dish
from a different continent?
What kind of music am I going to play?
And how is the music going to impact how people feel
at the party?
What are the kids going to be doing
if there are kids at this party?
There's like a million different ways that you could take it.
And so Pooja, maybe I'll share with you what's coming.
So for me at my party, there are no kids.
This is definitely a leave your children at home.
Okay.
And there's dancing.
There's dancing to, I don't know,
for me it would probably be music
that other people are like,
back you have heard that song.
Like a hundred times on my cab,
but I know the lyrics,
so I just wanted to dance and sing to this very silly song.
And it's like a medium-sized group.
It's not, you know, kind of eight people,
but it's not a hundred.
Right, I don't know.
Maybe like somewhere 25 to 50, something like that.
And there's live music.
I'm gonna say that.
Well, I guess I can't.
I'm not gonna do all that for $200,
but I'm dreaming, okay.
Okay. Okay.
There's a band who's agreeing.
Okay, so that's my,
and then the food's just kind of being passed around.
It's almost secondary to just the dancing.
So what might that tell me?
Because right now,
I'm like,
I have to plan that dinner party,
but I don't think I can do that.
How can I use that?
Yeah, so for me,
the things that stand out to me is the music,
the live music.
It sounds like that's where the meat is.
And so I would wonder about that live music.
And the band, what does that mean to you?
Why is it important that there's a band there?
And what does that band bring in the guests?
I would wonder about the value underneath there.
There's something about the spontaneity
of like having the live music, something about maybe like the connection that having a band
brings to a party environment that's different than when there's just like a you know
a record player or whatever. So I'm curious if you want to sort of speak a little bit more on that.
Yeah, I guess I see everyone like coming onto the dance floor
a little bit more.
There's like a lot of movement.
I really do love to dance so much.
It makes me so happy to be dancing kind of with my friends
and singing along and I think a band would kind of,
you know, allow that to happen.
The other thing that I'm hearing in that is that like
the physicality of it, that word happen. The other thing that I'm hearing in that is that like the physicality of it,
that word movement. Yes. So this is like kind of in this exercise, right? It's sort of like you're
pulling out these different words and you're thinking on them and thinking what they kind of mean
in your life. And so if we're talking about something like movement and physicality and
valuing that, if that's something that you really enjoy,
maybe embodiment.
Mm-hmm.
So like one way that we could then sort of bring this
into real life is like, sure,
incorporating dance into your life or with your kids,
but actually it's something much bigger than that.
The embodiment, the movement,
how do you bring that into your parenting?
Is that something that you, you know, you sit down with your partner and you're saying,
like, how do we find space and time for us in our lives to like, go out for hikes to
do things in nature to kind of be together in a physical space that is different than just
like in our living room, watching TV.
But how do we bring some of that physicality and connection inside the physicality to our
weeks or our months?
And again, it's not going to be something you're not going to be able to do it every day.
But it really changes your quality of life if you're able to incorporate that even once
a month.
And you know, this is really interesting.
Because I actually do feel like self-care or something,
I mean, I talk about it a lot.
And it is something I feel pretty strong at,
like my boundary setting.
And I really don't see taking care of myself
and taking care of my family is mutually exclusive.
I see them as kind of going hand in hand.
And probably my primary kind of regular act
of self-care that I engage in is on Thursday mornings.
I meet up with a group of friends,
and we do this kind of like, dance exercise class together. And it's definitely not the
like most intense workout, but we move our bodies and we kind of are in it together and it's
fun, you know, it's really, really fun. And so it is interesting now that I reflect on
that. And I wasn't even thinking about that when I shared my kind of dream dinner party with you.
But I think for anybody listening, take that dream dinner party and think what values does that suggest?
And also, what parts of that can I replicate? I don't have a live band at this exercise class, okay, that's not happening. But we have a speaker where there's some pretty loud music
and we can move around, we can be with each other.
It's not quite a dance floor, but that does come close enough
and I really do feel that lighting me up inside
over the course of my week.
Yeah, yeah.
And I love that too because it's unique to you
and it's specific, but with some time and reflection, you can find it.
And I think that's what's so powerful about this,
in that we all have the potential to be able to give this
to ourselves, and it's going to be different for everybody.
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