Guys: With Bryan Quinby - Guys: Episode 12 - History Guys with Matt Christman

Episode Date: May 2, 2023

Me and Matt are buddies from a long time ago and we have been podcasting together for like a decade, he's an incredibly smart guy and he's also a History Guy. We talked about reenactors, collectors and weird internet guys who wish they were at some greusome battles! It was a pure joy to do this in the same room and also do a show with a different feel. Matt is @Cushbomb on twitter and he is one of the hosts of Chapo Trap House and Hell on Earth Music by Zacharay Fairbrother @avantlard on twitter

Welcome to Guys, a podcast about guys. I am Brian Quinby. Chris is not here this week. He will be back next week. I don't even know what kind of guy we're talking about next week. So I figure by the end of this episode, I will promise something that I will then decide I don't want to do. But this week I have a very special guest,

somebody that I have been podcasting with for goddamn fucking like 11 or 12 years now. No, no, no. I came later than you. You were a well-established figure by the time we started podding together. No, but you were doing my show with me oh shit you're right you did the one year anniversary of street fight which was in 2012 damn because i'm counting all i'm forgetting about all this time before yeah you and felix were on the one year anniversary of street fight and uh so that

means we've been podcasting forever. And it's fun. And me, I have Matt Chrisman, for those that don't know, from Chapo Trap House and Hell on Earth. And me and him used to go on adventures when he lived in Ohio. And I'm sure if I lived here, we'd probably go on adventures again. Certainly. There was a, if you had been here, I would have gone to this crypto conference or NFT conference in conference in march and william shatner was supposed to be there and uh hezbollah was there the little or nazrullah the little guy the small gentleman oh yeah yeah the the the uh jack or benjamin button child from uh chechnya yes yes uh they're gonna be there and i would have gone with you. Yeah. Without you, it wouldn't have been the same.

We saw John Taffer at American for Prosperity's thing in 2015. Matt, I think that's the last time I had a real fucking panic. I think that's why my tolerance is so low on weed now

is because that day, I can trace it back to that day. We smoked a fucking blunt. Smoked a blunt in the park. Yeah. And it was before we went into a fucking blunt before the part yeah and it was before we went into a fucking americans for prosperity conference and jeb bush was speaking at the tommy dot they call me don uh they'd call me veto corleone because of all the times i vetoed legislation when i was governor of florida and bobby jindal we saw folks that job it's all shucks i sure would like to be a president and uh we were standing there watching And Bobby Jindal. We saw Bobby Jindal. Hi, folks. I'm Bobby Jindal. Shucks. I sure would like to be a president.

And we were standing there watching Bobby Jindal or one of the Koch brothers. I don't remember who it was, but I was high as fuck. And I looked over and Matt, you were talking to me. And then there was a guy on the other side of you talking into his wrist. Secret service there because those guys were running for president. And ever since RFK, you get a secret service because those guys were running for president. Ever since RFK, you get secret service protection

when you're running for president. I really thought I was going to get shot that day or arrested. I was convinced that they were going to be like, you don't belong here. That's a classic

weed style paranoia. Oh yeah, the armed agents of the state are going to notice that my eyes are a little red and decide to tactically engage with me. Yeah, Yeah.

Oh, he's here goofing on Jeb Bush. We got to fucking throw him out of here. But I brought Matt on to talk about something that he is well acquainted with. And actually, like a lot of what you're doing now is based on it. And I'm morphing into one of these guys. So I'm actually I think I am now. I can just say that this this is not about a guy type that I observed from the sidelines. This is about a guy type that I embody. It's weird, you know, and I'll say this as I do

to every guest that says they're the type of guy we're talking to. It is not abnormal to be a bunch of types of guy. It's abnormal to be one type of guy. That's a good point. Yes. That's how I, that's how those are the special cases because they put all of their energy into just a single type of guy to be all the time, all the focus and emotion goes into being that one type of guy, which means that they just burn brightly as a,

that guy. Yeah. And history guys are very fucking weird. And, and maybe one of the earliest, when I started thinking about doing this show, like one of the people that popped into my head immediately were Civil War reenactors. Oh, yeah. And it was just like, what the fuck are they doing? It's an August tradition.

I have a friend, one of my best friends from college, who I'm still friends with uh was the civil war reenactor in high school and college for the union of course that's good uh he actually he worked for uh paul ryan when he was running for congress uh and volunteered for him because he was a republican which was the abraham lincoln party he was a little kid he didn't know any better that's a good point uh but yeah so i've been to reenactments uh i've I've been, I've been, I mean, I'm a civil war nerd. I mean, I was just basically too much of an indoor kid to consider, oh, I'm going to march around out there in a wool uniform. No, thank you.

I'll just read about it. Thanks. That's all I need to do. I need to collect my, uh, my cards. I would get these cards mailed to my home. They were like the size of a recipe card and you put them in a recipe box and they were just different facts about the war. of a recipe card and you put them in a recipe box and they were just different facts about the war like a picture of you know like the monitor or or a musket or be a battle and then the back would

have the information about it or a general and then you get them like every month you get a different little packet of them and then you put them all together into your files so you could look through them and have access to them that's what i did instead of sitting you know in a field getting fresh air honestly the reenactors are the healthiest of the history guys because they're at least, you know, turning it into an activity. Yeah. God bless them. It's so funny when I talk to people for this show and, and just like, cause I do the show with John Cullen from Block Party, who is the opposite of me and me and you, if we were growing up at the same time in the same place we would be the total complete opposites because i wouldn't read anything uh i did remember

one time i don't think i've ever told you the kind of kid that i would have been frankly kind of scared of well i would have been scared of you it would have been smart because if you weren't in my group then but i was a small stringy kid though so i wasn't those chinko kids they always had a vague menace to them i was always afraid they were gonna beat me up or something i one time or offer me drugs here is the path that took me away from being a history guy where i remember i was in 11th grade and i was talking to my friends and we were like getting high and I was like I heard this like really interesting thing in history class and they cut me off and just called me gay immediately social reinforcement there so it was just like fine I'm a product of my environment what do you want from me and it's true you have to have you have to have

someone if you either have to be like have have a social, you know, milieu that like encourages it or be just a nerd who has no friends. And then you don't have to worry about that. That's the path I took. It's definitely like survival in that. Like if, if you aren't out among people, you won't get beat up. Yeah.

And if you are out among people, you're not allowed. And I don't even know if that because my daughter is graduating high school this year which is another weird thing i'm talking to matt matt has met my daughter when she was like seven that's true but uh she graduated high school uh this year and the thing that's been blowing me away and it might just be the school district because you know the type of neighborhood i live in is not like i'm not in the suburbs or anything like that uh but these kids don't make fun of each other for anything like they they just there isn't it doesn't seem like

there's an out group now that might mean that like uh i'm just missing something oh yeah no it's just there's a different way of bullying and keeping hierarchy but yeah the traditional ways of marking out groups have been defeated by the revenge of the nerd the revolt of the nerd the banishing of bullying it's created a new culture but it has not gotten rid of those hierarchies and you know who's cool and not but now it's more like performances of of virtue yeah it is you know know, it also is the same thing of like, like the way the entertainment, the reason we're able to make money doing what we want to do is because everything is so atomized.

Right. Exactly. We fill a function that should normally be provided by just your social life, but it isn't. So now it becomes a thing you can pay for in the market. Like that's how it works. Like capitalism creates social crises, which are then solved by the application of more capitalism and the creation of more markets. And we're beneficiaries of that process. Yeah. Because we get to be professional friends. Yeah. Yeah. And it's also just the thing of like, you know, the things that we were saying, the

things that we have said that wouldn't have fit on mainstream stuff. Yeah. We don't have the, we don't have the rigor to like apply to those sort of categories. Netflix show. Yeah, exactly. Shit like that where you're like, I'd love to do it. I, I'll, I'll say this before we get into the history stuff. I texted Will three years ago and I said, Hey man, I'm thinking maybe I would, I would like to write

a book about shock jocks. And I was like, you know, what would your, what would your advice be? And he's like, let me send you the Chapo book and you can look through it. And he sent me, I looked through the whole thing, but it was 40 pages. And I was like, I don't think I can write 40 pages. So I guess Shocktober is just staying a podcast from now on. Yeah, man.

It's like, why work so hard? What's the point? You know? Yeah. You get to a point where you're like, it's fine. Yeah. I'm good where I'm at. Everything's working.

But history, guys, you hipped me to the first area we're going to go to, which is YouTube comments. YouTube comments section. That is where the forum people, the history forum people migrated now. Yeah, so I'm looking at, this is from a show I may have even watched on the history Channel called, called, what? Fucking lost it.

Okay, called The Bloody Battle of Antietam Creek. Ah, yes. The bloodiest single day of combat in the Civil War. Matt, the reason we're talking about Antietam first is because it's one of the only ones I know. Yes, the sunken ground. the only ones I know. Yes, the sunken ground. So the first guy,

and this is maybe leans a little bit towards Discovery Channel guys too, but we have to do it, is old Uncle Ruckus. And he says, I remember 20 years ago being a little kid and coming home from school and my dad always having the History Channel on TV. It's where I started to love and appreciate history.

In school, my lowest grade ever in history was a 99. Now I can't stomach to watch the History Channel, and I'm so thankful all the YouTubers that make great content we can still enjoy. So we had to let everybody know that history guys don't like the History Channel. No, no. I mean, Chuck Grassley is one of the chief history guys we have. He's a 90-year-old senator from Iowa, and half of his tweets are complaining that there isn't any history

on the history channel. Well, you know what, though? It's stupid because it's the same as in my life. They don't play videos on MTV, and it just becomes a thing where maybe the history channel is a little different. But MTV, the reason they don't play videos because of the people in the demographic that are supposed to watch MTV don't give a fuck about videos. And, but I think the history channel is a little different, but it seems like they're

going for a more broad. Well, that's the thing is that, is that what the history channel emerged when the first big explosion of cable came up and it's like, okay, now we can like micro target. And so the history channel was one of these micro target plays. And it was, yeah, dads who want to hear a story basically about how America is awesome. Yeah. And therefore they're awesome. Something that reaffirms them in their place and time and everything like gives them a sense of connection and pride or some abstract narrative that they can engage in.

And you're going to get a certain percentage of the population that wants to see that. And it's mostly going to be, yeah, older men, older white dudes. Well, this is funny that you bring that up because Andrew Travels says, YouTube has more history than the History Channel. So Joseph Redden replies to him and says,

absolutely. Nowadays, they want replies to him and says, absolutely. Nowadays, they want us to forget the past. This is every guy I've ever talked to. Some of it's ugly, I know, but there's a lesson to learn there no matter what. We need to give those whom have died a voice. Never forget. If we do forget, we are doomed to repeat the past.

All right, George Satayana. I love how these people are quoting that. It's like, you don't even know what that means. Shut the fuck up. It's very funny. So here's a, a shiv them up as a guy that's talking about the Confederate military army in

the battle of Antietam. And this is something you definitely hit me too. In recent time, it's come to certain people that the stars and bars means nothing of what it originally stood for. To those I say, grow up and learn a little, but only a little. I wouldn't want to burden your fragility with absolute truth before you're at least 30 years old. To all others, I say this,

I expect a good bourbon with country fried steak should I travel to the southern states, and to those in the south should expect a good brandy and excellent cheese here in Wisconsin. God, it's so infuriating to read that shit. And yeah, like if you're a person who likes history and go on the internet, you're swaddled in it because like the Lost Cause is this like load-bearing psychic member for huge sections of American men who like this stuff. Yeah. So you're going to see if you're going to be bathed in the juices of this Lost Cause mythology.

And the thing that's so infuriating about the smug tone that these halfwits use. I know. Like you're talking about people who are dullards, like straight up dullards. Reading Bill O'Reilly books. Yeah, exactly. Like you are not a historian.

You do not know what you're talking about. This is just a little fan hobby for you. And it involves learning fucking fairy tales. Like they think what's so infuriating is it's not that they're imbibing fairy tales, which is what their version of history is it's that they may imagine that they're just child's uh understanding of the past is some sort of mind-blowing uh secret knowledge that like libs can't handle like oh you wouldn't understand the deep truth i know which is just like a cartoon

about like noble planters and all this shit. It's like, you know, grounding in anything. And you're like, you're not blowing anybody's mind. Yeah. All you're doing is embracing reactionary racism on purpose.

And people are goes, that's gross. And then you're like, no, it's not. It's just, you can't handle the truth. Well,

that's my father-in-law two years ago. I pissed him off so bad that he was red and spit. He stood up. I've never seen somebody get red and mad. My wife had to like peel him away from me. He stood up and he was screaming at me. And I just said like, none of this is objective. Like all this stuff you think is not like the truth

yeah right it's a story and I was like this is what I said I said would you think that a black person that lived during the shot heard round the world would see it the same as a white person that lived during the shot heard round the world

and he's like, absolutely not. It's a truth. And he's spitting. And like, basically now this is what pissed me off about this situation is now he's not allowed to talk to me about politics. No, like the American values are based on the principle of we took it.

And if I take it, we consecrated it. Like, well, that's why we deserve it. And if I take it, we consecrated it. Like, well, that's why we deserve it. And if you have a narrative that does not say you deserve this, then their entire world falls apart, which is why what they really mean by what they can't tell you is not even any specific version of the past. Just like the broader fact that, you know,

slavery probably was not that bad. It was actually probably good. That's what they really mean, but that's what they can't quite say publicly, most of them. So they just have it under this like layer of smugness. It's like, it's not really about the facts. It's about this deeper fact.

Well, Douglas Brannan said, and this is going to be interesting for you. You had actually hit me to this. Douglas Brannan said, I this is going to be interesting for you. You had actually hit me to this. Douglas Brannan said, I think the bloody lane would have held if it would have had three artillery pieces 100 yards behind it for covering fire of grape shot. Yeah, that would have been cool. What if they had Uzis? These are the most blessed history guys. The pure autists who only care about battlefield mechanics.

You know, they might be political, but like only vaguely. Like it's only as an after effect of the real focus. So like the ones who are super into just, you know, the minutia of like, oh, there could have been an Enfilad position here. They might have been able to route this formation. But, you know, that kind of thing. And like, oh, the 12 route this formation but you know that kind of thing and like oh the the 12 pound napoleon cannon you know that yeah god bless those guys i'd so funny just in it for the for the for the ins and outs of battles which are that's how when i was a kid that's what i got into at first it's the funnest thing it's like you're a kid with your little dolls yeah but

you're are you are you saying like, they could have done it better this way? Like, it feels like that's well, their armchair quarterbacking there are Monday morning quarterbacking. They're being like, Hey, I, if I'd been there, I would have done this. I would have had three artillery. Exactly. And the thing is like, and you're telling the story, it's like, Oh, if only the Confederacy had won, well, then you keep telling the story. Part of that is like, Oh, if we had done this, if only we had done this. Well, Travis Jordan said, I never understood why people would walk slowly in a tightly packed line towards a well-protected regiment. Why didn't they move quicker?

Why didn't they spread out? Why even attack when they were at a clear disadvantage? Why not wait until the enemy was more vulnerable? It just seems dumb. It's very good. That's actually a very good question. When you think about it from a modern perspective, what they did is insane. But part of the reason that they did that is because they were emerging from a warfare,

the Napoleonic model of warfare that had been these big tight pack units clashing. that had been these big tight pack units clashing. But the feature of that combat was smoothbore muskets that had a limited accuracy beyond a pretty close distance. Like you get past like 25, 50 feet, you're not really getting to aim. And so that means you could get in there and get tight and fire. And like some people would die,

but it would still, you know, be a coherent group of people. They're still using those tactics, but they've invented these rifled muskets now that fire a rifle round, which is able to fire much more accurately, which means when you get up into these pack groups, people are just getting mowed down. And it's like,

well, why did they do that? It's like, cause they had no other way to do it. That's what you did. And so they just had to adjust to that. And the way they adjusted was more and more people fucking dying. And then over time they developed new strategies around that. Like, oh yeah, maybe we can't do that anymore, but it has to be that consensus has to be smashed open violently because otherwise there's just going to keep doing the same thing.

Right. Red Dirt Raider. And I have to I'm pronouncing this the way it's spelled. McClellan was so in a fucking McClellan. Oh, God, don't get me started on that. Mother of that gold bricking asshole. He couldn't take out the villains in American history. He couldn't take the army out the army of Northern Virginia, even with their game plan. Oh, God, he's so he's the guy. If you're a union style like me, Monday morning quarterback looking at the Civil War, we're like, oh, man, they could have walloped them so much better. Everyone has always has to start with a logistical genius who was able to whip together this very formidable war machine very quickly and provision it and set it out on campaign. Problem was that he cherished it so much. He was always afraid of putting it into risk and battle, which means he pussied out at every opportunity and just whiled away this huge northern advantage and manpower. It's interesting you say that because I can read that that happened in the,

like you saying it lends more credence to a comment by somebody like Wolf one, who says this show just tells me that officers who can't lead others into battle have no place in history at all. His name needed to be removed as rank stripped and his family to be ashamed to be related. God damn right. Preach. Honestly, this guy is, he is family to be ashamed to be related to someone who is weak. Honestly, this guy is, he's spitting.

He says, other than someone who is weak and not fit for anything other than stay home and do nothing. I honestly think a case could be made that McClellan should have been hung as a traitor. Not kidding, because yes, he was afraid of losing his army. Yes, he had a very puffed up reputation of himself, which means he was afraid of failure, which often happens with that kind of position. But he was also a Democrat. He was hostile to the Republicans. He was hostile to Lincoln. He was hostile to emancipation. And he didn't really want to beat the South. He wanted to get them to stop fighting, but he certainly did not want to defeat the slave power.

And so when you look at his record and then the fact that after he leaves the army, he runs against Lincoln in the presidency, in the presidential election in 1864, saying, oh, the war can't be won. Let's make a deal. Bitch, you had a chance and you blew it. And now you're saying, oh, we can't be done. Yeah. And so if he had won, you could have seen like a negotiated settlement to the war. So he was working against the cause of the Union his entire fucking career as soon as the war started. everybody above colonel in the confederate army should have been strung the fuck up or maybe transported to like an evacuated island in the caribbean or something well before we leave antietam derrick christopher nord by had to say the single most bloodiest day in american history no other day comes even remotely close not the explosion of the battleship the uss main and havana harbor in 1898 not pearl harbor not septic while he put

11 september 2001 or any other day none and i just liked that he wrote the date that way you know he's got it he's got to remember it properly but yeah these guys have got these guys are really funny because the other thing i discovered and i don't know if you know about you would have to know about this is a total war oh yeah i know i'm not a gamer but like a big part of history guy now the younger ones the older see this is how things change like these guys are complaining that there's not history on the history channel anymore and yeah that's because they want a bigger broader deeper demographic younger most of all oh yeah so that means they need reality shows they need other stuff it's like sorry it can't be this stuff grandpa's like that stuff but that doesn't mean that we aren't growing

more history guys but history guys now are on youtube and they're playing video games yes that is what they're doing instead of watching these documentaries so yeah it's like sorry grandpa this is an extinguished in species i represent that small subsection of burgeoning middle to like young adult to middle age history guy who in a who maybe in addition to video games or instead of video games wants to continue that you know old man style uh documentary tradition in the audio format you know what's funny matt is that i uh what when i started doing this i decided to jettison off a piece of this that was the historical video game guy. Like, I think he needs his own show. Oh, no, that's a separate type of subgrouping.

Because there was a guy... Actually, you could totally do this because there is a generation of kids who are being brought up now, like Zoomers and like even younger, like tweens who are like getting these insanely convoluted political ideologies from the video games they play. They like, they play Kaiserreich and they play a Heart of Iron and they play Universal, Universalis

and all this shit. And as a result, they have like, oh, I'm an integralist monarchist with distributist tendencies, you know, that's like, or like these norm core kids who like embrace electoral politics, but are equally esoteric about it. So they're like, yeah, Scoop Jackson slaps. Frank Church was gritty and he did the dash, you know, that kind of thing. Like they'll call themselves Birch Bay Enjoyer or something like that. Or like Howard Baker Stan. Like that's all because they're playing these video games and then they're being driven insane

by going down Wikipedia and YouTube rabbit holes off of the game site. And it's interesting because the one guy I saw that made me decide I have to look at these people separately is there's one that says one Abrams tank versus two, two million Roman soldiers. Yeah. And I would never watch something like that, but I fucking hit play immediately. Did you ever watch a world's deadliest warrior?

I do. Maybe the, one of the best knuckleheaded history guy shows ever. And that's a perfect example of a show where it's like, okay, we're trying to get the guys who are slightly younger than the boomers who love documentaries about Hitler, but who kind of still want to watch a documentary ish thing about history,

but like make it cooler, make it more fun than just like, Oh, the battle of the bulge. Like, I don't give a shit. Who would win, a ninja or a pirate? And then you just do that and you like destroy ballistic gel and you turn it into sports. You know, like, oh, a Roman legion versus, you know, a Polish hussars. who's going to win, you know? Let's see the stats. It's almost sort of, and I talked about this, I've talked about this with friends before,

that like I think that there's going to come a time where, and I'm using pro wrestling as kind of the thing, there's going to be a time where you can go watch like a hologram of like Hulk Hogan wrestling, like Stone Cold Steel of like hulk hogan wrestling like stone cold steel like matches that never happened you're going to be able to go to an arena and see things that they were never able to make happen and i think yeah yeah and like they did that they did the document they did uh reenactments in those uh deadliest warrior shows but they were a little cheesy. You could do it more fluidly now with the AI stuff. Well, this is from a war...

This is from a Total War thing, and I don't know why I didn't keep the name of it, but I like this one. Tristan the Christian. Tristan the Christian, your time has come. It's crazy to think in modern war, cities can be wiped off the map now.

In the past, war used to be brutal so i don't know what that means but wait what so he's saying it used to be brutal and now it can destroy whole cities does that make mean it's getting more brutal or as an outsider to this um the thing that i found is that like when i was growing up you you would watch the ken burns civil war documentary oh yeah i watched that's hugely important all those things right and there The thing that I found is that like when I was growing up, you would watch the Ken Burns Civil War documentary. Oh, yeah. I watched those. That's hugely important.

All those things, right? And there wasn't, what they've done now is take these video games and set up a war. And people are very excited to see people getting their head cut off and like stabbed. And like, it's like, it's almost like horror movies. These total, some of these total war things. It's almost like a horror movie

it's just a big it's a bunch of different types of kill and a lot of these guys seem to like to like hand-to-hand killing more than they like modern war is something i ran it and that's what i think this guy is saying like yeah we could knock a whole city off the planet, but you know it's even better. Yeah, he is saying that we have, by getting rid of like the personal intimate violence of war, we've sanitized it and we have removed the brutality.

And it's like, okay, that's interesting. Does that mean we're better or worse? Is that progress or not? We're able to do more bad because it's not brutal. Yeah. The brutality of it was like a price that we paid.

Although it must be said that even back then during total brutality, entire cities could be destroyed. Look at the Mongol invasion saw the complete destruction of huge world capitals like Baghdad. Baghdad was the capital of golden age,

of the golden era of islam like when it was the most flowering civilization on the planet it was this trade network that extended out from the middle east captured eastern mediterranean and the red sea and the indian ocean this whole beautiful biome uh and the fucking mongol showed up and just stomped it into oblivion and they ran into Baghdad. They killed everybody in the city that they could. So the ones who didn't into slavery, they went into the library that had all of the great texts that have been accumulated by the,

this golden age and drew them in the fucking river. And they kill. And yeah, like Samarkand was completely wiped out at one point by Timur, I believe. They could do it. Yeah, and it was nastier. And it was nasty. They would just chop your head off. It feels like we kill more people. Yes,

now it's more efficient. We can pack that savagery into a computer technology, which means non-savage, brutal people will do horrible things. Oh, yeah. And the thing is, is that you could say say the theory is is that by doing that brutality you gain some sort of worth just because you're willing to do something that is monumental and violent one way or the other and accept the consequences for that

now though you can do horror without consequence yeah That is war horror. Yeah. Well, Engine Joe says, and this is crazy. I've seen this so many times and this is just the best version of this comment. Engine Joe goes, wish I can go back

and witness all these ancient battles. Would be cool to see it in person. I mean, that's the baseline stuff. When I was a kid, what got me into the war, into the Civil War and all this other stuff is I would read it and I would just imagine it. And I'd be like on the battlefield. And of course, I would not want to be there and get killed.

I'd be terrified. But if I could just like post up and just watch. Yeah. That'd be pretty tight. That'd be pretty dope. well one guy says with all the dust filth spilled blood and entrails and the stink of all of the inexperienced soldiers shitting themselves out of fear yeah nah i'll stick to watching them on screen now that guy is the right he's got the right attitude no yeah if you were there it would not be the movie that you want it to be it would be this incoherent uh clash of of of this violent apocalypse be horrible well

here's ross ray and he's talking about julius caesar um and he goes impressive at his age caesar still leads in battle i'm sure guys like nero or caligula never set foot on a battlefield it's true they didn't't. Well, killer something, uh, Caesar and also Caesar was born of a family filled with patricians, but he was poor LMAO, which is putting the LMAO in your argument is good. He's more hardworking and hard to become intelligent, had to become intelligent to go up his career.

Nero and Caligula, on the other hand, were born with a silver spoon in their mouth and spoiled at a young age. And they both knew they were going to inherit an empire when their fathers passed. It's true. What do you expect? It's true. And it's amazing that people understand that basic insight that no matter how much you deserve your position, you will not be able to give it to kids who do too, because they can't earn it the way you did right right that's just a fact yeah and uh the the roman the imperial trajectory really shows that yeah the one period of real stability in the roman imperial model was uh during the age of uh marcus aurelius and trajan

and hadrian when uh instead of uh the children of the emperor inheriting the throne, the natural children, they would essentially adopt adult sons and say, he is my heir. So it was like they would pick among their, you know, their protégés, the best and the brightest one, and be like, you're going to be the emperor. And then, of course, as soon as Marcus Aurelius hands it over to his son, Commodus, who's Joaquin Phoenix in Gladiator, he just immediately goes insane, just starts smashing the empire into bits.

I mean, obviously, you know, a lot of that is determined by, you know, cycles of ecological change and everything and global temperatures. But you can see how, yeah yeah the kids will never be able to to be worthy of it the way you were which is why you should be abolishing surpluses of power and wealth and distributing them instead of allowing them to accumulate because they they stultify they They kill everyone. They suffocate humanity. Indictment of humanity. They're a curse. This guy, indictment of humanity, said,

don't forget, it would be an honor to have served after death as a shield for advancing soldiers. Many were revered in such a manner. Which is, that's, I mean, being a person that lives in 2023 and saying that is so weird to me. Yeah, it's like oh man like sure

you know you're like a you're like a 20 year old peasant conscript who's been put a lance put it in your hand you've done no training they just tromp you out into a muddy ravine where some guy on a horse just puts a fucking lance through your neck

and you just bleed out into the mud it's like, but you're like, I'll be revered for this someday. And nobody knows. Nobody knows your name. A single one of them. You get a shallow mass grave with everybody else from your town after they pull the fucking gold teeth

out of your head. Yeah. We hear on guys. They take your boots and they take your fucking teeth and then they throw you in a hole. We here on guys love to read reviews of stuff. And I had to go find a review on Amazon of the Federalist Papers. Ha! I thought that would... I found the Federalist Papers, Dover Thrift Editions, American History.

Federalist Papers, Dover Thrift Editions, American History. And yellow, blue, green says, title, invaluable, but we're too dumbed down to read it. All right, just come on, get off your soapbox. Just tell me if the Federalist Papers is good or not. Interesting how bling is now a word in the English dictionary. And yet most of us wouldn't understand what is written in these pages. Couldn't be intentional, could it? Why would a speaker of a language not make it of the utmost importance for their children, not only to learn their language, but how to preserve their country? Couldn't be a foreign hidden force too cowardly to come out and fight in the open,

working in the shadows to destroy us. I think he's talking about the Jews. Whatever he thinks he means, he means Jews. Yes. Yeah. I was thinking that or China. But now it's all the same thing. Yeah. Because behind China, it's like there's something behind every facade until there's the final revealed naked face.

And it is never really China. It is always the Jew. It's interesting because like I have obviously been listening to Mancow for several years now. I know him as a person. And all he talks about is the Chinese. He doesn't even take things from America that are woke. Like if he would say, for instance, something Bud Light has gone woke.

It's not because Bud Light is woke. It's because China made Bud Light be woke. And like, that's always his thing. So when I see somebody talking like that, the immediate thing in my head is like, man, Cal's the dumbest guy I know of. And he thinks it's China. He's very stupid because what he, the stupidity of this specific theory is so blatant because it's, we know what China does have an influence on American media. It absolutely does. It's a huge market for American media. It has an influence. But what does it actually do?

It prevents mention of things like LPGT. Like they cut out gay stuff for movies for China. They also, by the way, cut out stuff about time travel and ghosts because the Chinese communist party is like, don't, we're not fucking around with that stuff.

Oh man. I think they might've relaxed that. But for a while they had that barrier, but they definitely like they cut, they cut out woke stuff from movies if to get into China. So there's no woke pressure from China. That is not a thing. Yeah.

He's under the impression that he also his contract wasn't renewed because China told the radio station not to do it. These guys, as time goes on, like they don't mercifully die and get put out of their misery. and get put out of their misery, they're just going to eventually drive themselves crazy until the only thing that satisfies their just seething hatred and misery at every moment of their life is the prospect of nuclear oblivion, of a cleansing war with China

that ends all of our contradictions and soothes all of our pains. They definitely want war with China. They 1 million percent do. James G. Farwig says, the product of brilliant minds, every lawyer and government official should read and study these papers.

It is apparent from public statements that most have not the least interest in doing so. God. The way they write is so funny. The Federalist papers are just so funny to fetishize. They were written as propaganda for the Constitution at the time when the Federalist Papers are just so funny to fetishize. They were written as propaganda for the Constitution at the time when this Federalist group hustle was essentially hijacking the post-revolutionary government for the purposes of creating a commercial bank-based modern fiscal state, which was being pulled away by, by, you know, the, the local powers of the different county, the different states. Yeah.

So it's just, it's a pitch document for the, why the constitution is great. And so it's got stuff in it. Like, yeah, you know, if we have factions, if we, cause we have this thing set up, so we don't really recognize parties or, you know, factions within government. And all of our checks and balances only work if everybody is only operating by their own conscious, they're not operating in any kind of concerted manner. As soon as they do that, all of this stuff falls apart.

The entire thing breaks down. If we have parties, good thing, we just won't like, Oh, we won't have parties. Don't worry about it. Now, I think guys like Madison just assumed, oh, we will seize Indian lands fast enough to keep off that necessity. But it turns out, no. People were pouring in and they all had hungry mouths

and they all wanted land. So that catalyzed very quickly into these economic interests that represented these political factions. And then, boom, you immediately have the intended, quote unquote, attended function of the constitutional state totally taken over, destroyed. And it's funny because the way this guy writes right like you can tell he just read the federalist papers because he goes even the flawed arguments or presumptions herein are most informative the u.s constitution is the most significant political

document in human history understanding fine understand down just what was most important to its authors is enlightening it's remarkable that so much of the original content has remained intact, withstanding occasional challenges and remaining suitable in a nation 100 times its original population. These papers reveal the genius that helped make it so. God damn, what a fucking dork. What a fucking nerd. That's the most roller backpack ass. Like you're right. Are you writing this for a fucking sixth grade social studies class? Jesus Christ. A lot of these are guys who fancy themselves scholars, but aren't professional scholars. So that insecurity about their position makes them compensate by trying to sound like that.

My father-in-law calls himself a student of history, but he never went to college. And, you know, he immediately he got in trouble and they made him go into the Marines. A student of history means history is like a type of movie I watch. Yeah. Like, history is just like... You got action movies, you got your MCU, and then you've got, like, the American history cinematic universe.

Yeah. And they're just into that. That's coming. For sure. I mean, because I did read reviews, and I think I might even have a few in here because it it crosses off two things that you're interested in the john adams mini series from hb oh yeah i've seen that it's giamatti so good in that it's very frustrating they made that

because the the entire david mccullough wrote this book about john adams it was like the premise was hey you know that guy who everyone says is like the shitty founding father who sucked. And he's the only one who didn't get reelected. And he is a piece of shit. And he did the alien sedition act and fuck him. Uh, actually he was good. Yeah.

And so it's just this apologia, essentially apologia for early federalism, which is now very convivial to liberals because now like, uh, since the conservatives have been like pulling away with states, right. Shit. They've been yearning for this federalist centrality.

So it's like, Hey, these, these guys are actually fresh and dope, but like, there's so little that actually happens with Adams. Cause like, yes,

he had a couple of cool things early and the early episodes are pretty good because he, the first episode, he defends the Boston massacre soldiers, which he did, which is a liberal, perfect liberal thing. Like,

look, he was against the English, but they shot those guys and he defended them. So like, see, he's a good guy. Cause he's done. He has principles.

It's the drone strike argument we used to have on Twitter every day for like five years. And then he, he was the guy who advanced the declaration of independence to be passed by the Continental Congress. That episode is good. But then it's like him going to France and just getting annoyed at Ben Franklin for being too horny.

And then like him being the president and just getting his balls busted by Alexander Hamilton. And then an episode that's just him getting incredibly decrepidly old. An entire episode that's just him reaching into his 90s and turning into a wizened golem and having one of his sons become a complete drunk fail lord who dies of alcohol poisoning. Like he had the first the first Hunter Biden in American history was John John Adams' oldest son, I believe, Charles Adams. But then he had the good boy, John Quincy, who then becomes president. But yeah, and it's just him being old for an hour. Oh, and his daughter dying of breast cancer.

It's like, did we need this? Do a thing about U.S. Grant or somebody. Give me somebody with some spice. Well, I talked about this actually on a Patreon a couple of weeks ago with Jack Allison about how it frustrates me that everything has to be filtered now through like a, somebody dealing with trauma.

Oh God. So if you make a TV show about John Adams, there has to be a lot of trauma shit where he has to get over the trauma. It's the same thing with all the comic book movies are all about getting over trauma. That's like the thing we do now. You can't even write a comedy about anything but somebody getting through their trauma.

I mean, they needed to pad it because McCullough was making this very narrow partisan point about, hey, you know, the regulatory Hamiltonian state was actually kind of dope. But he just had to pad so much because he has such a relatively boring run of it compared to other founders. Yeah. And it's just, oh, you think you think, you know, John Adams is actually cool. Well, Walter Isaacson wrote a book called Benjamin Franklin, An American Life. And I read about 200 pages of it back in the early 2000s. Because I was a burgeoning student of history in like 2005, 2006. Yes.

And here's some reviews. I know you've had to have read this book. Dave wrote a review of it. And it's not Big Dave, which would be very funny. But I would love Big Dave's take on Ben Franklin. Dave wrote disappointed one star didn't go very far with this book. It didn't make the cut. My impression is the author takes great scandalous liberties in placing his own presumed motivations, evaluations and so forth over top of what Mr. Franklin actually said and did. It seemed like a small man talking frivolously about a big man.

Ooh, damn. Fucking George S. Kaufman here with the poison pen. That's brutal. It's mean. He just is like, fuck this guy. Yeah, no, that's one of the like well the most stinging rebukes of a biography i've ever heard that's good well keep that one in the fucking holster the next one's michael foster who uh uh he also gave it a one star review

and he says walter isaacson depicts franklin in the worst light and spends most of the book speaking of and then he didn't understand that that was the subject line so then he goes into the thing and he goes uh walter isaacson okay so he's one of these guys who starts to comment in the fucking subject line and then just runs into the text because they don't realize oh god that's the best yeah and he goes uh he spends most of the book speaking of speculation on the personal failures of franklin while only spending a little time praising his amazing accomplishments. That's such a, why would you want that? I know.

In a biography of someone. That's the most boring non-content I can imagine consuming about somebody. They don't care. Like you're praising him like he's a really precocious two-year-old or he's like a dog who can do tricks. He's Benjamin Franklin.

It should be self-evident, the amazingness of what he did yeah they don't i don't think they they get very mad because they can't stand the idea that benjamin franklin was a human man and also like history guy will a hundred percent of the time if you say that we're Benjamin Franklin, a history guy, I'll be like, oh, he liked to have sex. He was horned up. That Ben Franklin had syphilis and he liked to fuck. And it's true, he did. Well, he says a typical left wing liberal Democrat nonsense. Revisionist history to promote liberal leftist views.

Complete hogwash. I hated it. One of the worst biographies I ever wasted my money on. Does he even give a specific problem with it? It's probably not anything specific. It's just negative. The general tone just rubs them the wrong way because they want a children's book. Yeah.

Because they're men babies. They're adult children who want a baby book to read. Yeah, they want the book that you get at the library when you're in third grade. They want Rush Revere and the Patriots. Remember when Rush Limbaugh made children's books? Yeah. And they were like Rush Revere and it was his disgusting human adult head on a small child's body. It was nightmare.

Yeah. And he made a number of these children's books about like going back and seeing American history. Yeah. That's what they want. They just want that with like a veneer of adult pretensions here's yet another guy that does this weird language shit uh tedious one word tedious it is with great fortitude that i finished this biography ben franklin was probably the only person that i wanted to know more about and this is my first biography if every biographical book

were this tedious, I probably should never pick up another one. God damn. Walter Isaacson's getting blown the fuck out. He gets killed. This LVZ says, it should be entitled Ben Franklin's Zombies since all the life has been sucked out of this biography.

This is an excellent choice for a smart high school student, but a terrible one for a sophisticated adult reader. Oh, he wrote this while adjusting his monocle. He glosses over or completely discounts Franklin's romantic involvements. All right, that seems like an actual criticism. I would want to know those juicy deets if I was reading about Franklin. I would like to know. I want to know about who's he's fucking and when.

Yeah, and does he eat pussy? Exactly. Does he eat the booty like groceries? This is what I need to know. I want to know about who's he's fucking and when. Yeah. And does he eat pussy? Exactly. Does he eat the booty like groceries? This is what I need to know. Did Franklin eat? Because it seems like a different time. I think he would have eaten pussy. He seems like a pussy eater.

Like George Washington never ate pussy one time in his life. But I think that Ben Franklin probably did. I don't know. Maybe eat the booty like groceries. Depending. Maybe though. Everything I've ever heard. He did a lot of moderation stuff. Maybe eat the booty like groceries, depending. Maybe though. Everything I've ever heard. He did love that moderation stuff.

Maybe he was like, ah, yes, no. Yeah, sure to the front, but no to the devil's cavern in the back. He goes, Isaacson makes interesting events bland and substitutes facts for entertainment value. Very little of Franklin's charm, wit, or intelligence is communicated. That is, see, that is a real critique. That is the point of a bio, if you're writing history through the lens of biography,

you have to evoke the personality because that is what you're reflecting the events through. So if you do not evoke a personality, then it's, it cannot illuminate anything. Yeah. I mean, I remember reading the book and like the first like 200 pages, I didn't get all, it's in uh, it cannot illuminate anything. Yeah. I mean, I remember reading the book and, and like the first,

like 200 page, I didn't get all, it's in my basement still that in 1776. Oh God. Another McCullough. No, that was McCullough, right?

Yeah. I think it is because it, it, it, my father-in-law would get those books and read them and probably three, like half understand them. And then give them to me and say, this is,

you know, what you need to know. Those guys, the guys like McCullough and Stephen Ambrose, and like, of course, now that whole spot is gone, you know, because that generation is dying out and they're not being replaced. They're replaced by YouTube oafs. It's like those sort of guys,

because they bridged academic history and popular history. That was their, that was their role to, to bring a scholarly rigor to what is essentially the, the children's book version of American history, or we're the good guys. And they were both shackled to that. And so they ended up having to write books that were like narratively rich,

but like absolutely in insight deficient like with intentionally lobotomized in order to be mass consumable like yeah the boy those boys who fought world war ii they sure were pretty brave about it they did a good job over there yeah like that's what they could do like oh those founding fathers you know they were complicated guys but they sure did build an america that we can all be proud of, that kind of thing. And like, these are smart dudes and they just end up having to lobotomize, as I said, themselves in order to pop out that pap, which is why, at least in Ambrose's case, you had him getting busted for plagiarism. for plagiarism because it's like at a certain point you don't give a shit you're just cutting and pasting because you don't have you can't have an intellectual uh project because that would mean you might find out something that a general audience doesn't want to hear yeah those people

the people that would read the people that'll go out the first week and get that book and read it definitely want a certain type of like uh story affirmation of their place in the american pageant they want to hear like they want to hear like a lot of times i found that they want to hear that slavery wasn't that bad because only rich people did it and it wasn't a big deal back then like it wasn't like uh uh because that's the thing i always heard about like jefferson right is like my father-in-law would just say, like, he had slaves, but, you know, he treated them really well. He raped them. Yeah, I know.

And he said he didn't know it was wrong back then. We didn't know it was wrong. No, the thing is, you can say that about some people, but Jefferson wrote that it was wrong. Jefferson wrote, slavery is bad. This is a long term. It is a poison in our social system, but he described it as like holding a wolf by the ears. Like we've got this thing that is going to horribly is terribly dangerous, but that we can't stop. And, and he punted it. He said like, we'll fix this in the future. Hopefully if we get a Liberty loving country, we'll figure out this

slavery thing. But for now, OG, uh, I have expensive wines and books to pay for. So it looks like I'm going to have to keep having slavery. But he gave he did a public performance of awareness that it was bad because he's our first self-consciously hypocritical liberal Obama, the first Obama, the first liberal liberal is Thomas Jefferson. Like, yes, it's a terrible system. But, you know, we're going to work on that. Yeah.

But that's the worst example he could have fucking pulled. Yeah. So now we're going to look at a few comments. We're almost done here with the Napoleonic Wars from Trafalgar to Friedland from Kings and Generals.

It's a video game simulation. And this is from Broken Bridge. He goes, I consider Napoleon to be an endless, endlessly intriguing character to read about and the battles he fought to be fun epics. They are indeed fun epics. When people were just blown off their feet by grape shot and shredded into

human mist. That, that was a pretty epic. He says at times I actually find myself rooting for him. My comp, you should always be rooting for Napoleon. No. Yes. What? Always. He says, at times, I actually find myself rooting for him. You should always be rooting for Napoleon. No. Yes.

Always. He was a fucking boss. Yeah. And this is history on horseback, for Christ's sake. Who are you going to root for? Some British fucking inbred mutants? This is Rome versus Germanic tribes. 10,000 unit cinematic battle from Total War Rome 2.

And this guy goes, the things I would do to be able to go back in time to see one of these huge battles in person. There we go. I would do some crazy things. But again, he says, I wouldn't want to fight in it. I would just want to observe it. Now, here's a really funny one coming from the Baconator King on this one. He goes,

from the moment I saw the units in the Roman side, I immediately knew that the Gallic tribes were going to win. Called it. You see the way they're lined up there? There's no way they're going to take those Gauls. Those Gauls are going to get in. They're going to break through the

mandibular phalanx. They're going to bust it open. Calls his wife into the room. I said, oh, look, that left flag is weak. Those calls are going to get right in there. Yeah, he goes, you can easily, now he says even the

weirdest thing, if you had the right troops and even if they had no experience, you can easily defeat a Gallic army with ease. So he thinks you could easily defeat them with ease. Also, you know what easily... He can easily defeat them with ease? Two eases? Also, you know what, buddy?

I'd like to see you try it, okay? Yeah. You think it's a walk in the park to defeat the Gauls? Excuse me. Are you aware of the Battle of the Tudorburg Forest? Well, he says...

Here he goes. He goes, I always keep my men... So he's playing this game, right? He goes, I always keep my men stationary so they wouldn't get tired and use my cavalry for rear charges. Works every time. Oh, I see. So he's not actually talking about Gauls.

He's talking about the Gauls in the video game he plays, which is a distinction. He's referring to the Gauls as video game characters and assets that he can play with. And it's not necessarily correspond to them as historical actors. No, no. But he, I think, would tell you that he knows a lot about the Gauls. Certainly. I don't know. Yeah, but he would probably make some unjustified surmises

about the Gauls from his video game playing. That's for sure. Yeah. Although some of these games, it does seem like you actually do learn something. Like that Europa Universalis thing. It seems like you can't play that game without accidentally adhering a bunch of information about early modern political uh divisions in europe because like damn that map is pretty down to the down to the fucking county in the holy roman empire it is weird that

they're able to because that's it feels to me like what's happening now is these video games you're able to i guess read and read somewhere how things were done and then put it on screen and then understand how things were done and then but to crucially the thing that all these games all the big strategy games have in common is that they are attempting to do alternative history you take history you're like okay what's not let's do something else like victoria is about that crusader kings universal europa universalis you say okay what if i'm the ottomans what can i do that the ottomans couldn't do can i actually conquer europe the way the ottomans failed to now i'm very curious what can I do with the Republic of Venice?

What can I keep them from? Basically, can I stop them from falling? Do you watch any? We talked about this. We talked about how silly Twitch is the other night. Do they have these guys on Twitch? Now that we're doing it? I'm sure they do.

I don't know a lot about, I don't watch Twitch. I don't know what's on there, but I know that that is a very, very far, very popular thing to play along to are those games. Cause you can, you know, you're going turn-based usually you have room for talking about talking through. I've wanted to do more of them, honestly, myself on Twitch. It's just, I have a hard time doing the games with the thing. I hate it too. I can't do it. And those games aren't for me. My brain doesn't work that way. I look at those tables and I just get a headache. It's not intuitive to me. Yeah, I don't know how any of these like even at risk.

Yeah, seriously. I would get risked out of a box and then my dad would be like, no, this is too hard. You can't play this. Nobody was like trying to teach me how to even play. You were denied the ability to learn how to play risk. Well, yeah, because he said it's too hard for people like me. Damn.

That's brutal. Well, I was fucking really stupid, though. Like I was not getting the best. Don't waste your time on this, Brian. You're not going to like it. My dad had this way of doing this. There is a lot of counting and risk, so you might have not had time for it. I would have hated it.

My dad had this way of doing this thing. I remember one time I told him, you know, obviously I wanted to be a lead singer in a heavy metal band when I was a kid. That was like the big deal. I remember we're in the car and I'm like, hey, dad, you know, I want to be a lead singer in a heavy metal band. He goes, number one, you can't sing which

doesn't even fucking matter i wish he wouldn't have said that because that doesn't even matter no but then he said what you should do is go to school to become a sound guy and then you can be a part of the concert yeah yeah they're always gonna need sound you can't have the rock and roll without sound that's where you get it there you get to be a middleman in the sound exchange. Same thing happened when I said I wanted to be a, I saw the People vs. Larry Flint on Mushrooms and I left that fucking movie. And you left

with a raging belief in free speech. I did. I wanted to be a free speech lawyer. There you go. I want to be the Jewish Ed Norton going into the Supreme Court and being like, actually, it's free speech. Have you heard of it? Yeah.

It's a little thing called the First Amendment. That entire movie is just like, it's a little thing called the First Amendment. You might want to look it up. My dad was like, there's no money in that. You can't make any money doing that. And I know now that you can't make any money being a first amendment attorney unless you're like the best in the world there's probably eight guys making a living doing that if you can get some of that aclu money the libs went crazy giving money to the aclu if you could get on their staff

i think they hate them now though that's the problem with the aclu now the internet the internet leftists hate the aclu because they defended naz, because they decided that they're, no, we're punch Nazis, we're against free speech now, whatever. But the old liberal guard, the type of people who make donations, they still love the ACLU. So they're just putting money in their coffers. I'm sure I'll be meeting some of them when I do free speech guides sometime this year. Because that's a very interesting group.

And tedious to me. They're the most annoying people on the planet. Free speech is the stupidest thing to care about. It's, it is a mark of just a dull mind to, to, to be exercised by that question. You just are kind of stupid.

It's fine. But like, I don't feel that myself, I don't feel like there's anything gaining for me who is not that stupid to engage in this conversation. Yeah. I get like a lot of weird like uh when when i say what i do for a living to somebody that isn't like doesn't even listen

to podcasts or and so sometimes i'll say podcast or something sometimes i'll say comedian and i find that like normal people uh are just like you can't say nothing anymore how are you comedian these days and i just always have to explain like you could't say nothing anymore. How are you comedian these days? And I just always have to explain, like, you could never say anything. There was never a time where you could say stuff. It's about what will you put your weight behind. More than anything, it is not even the mechanism of cancellation. It is the fear in the head of it occurring.

It's a version of it that is always going to be like the most drastic and terrifying because it's all in your fucking head. It's funny that you said that. Before we go, I want to, years ago, you saved my ass at one point because it was in like 2016

or something like that, maybe 15. I posted something about Stalin. Oh boy. As a goof. Like it was a total fucking joke, but I understand. Do not diss the big man. Oh, boy. As a goof. Like, it was a total fucking joke, but I understand. Do not diss the big man. Yeah, but I understand I was doing a political

show at that time, and, like, fine, like, you can correct me on history or whatever, but I got yelled at by, like, 25 people for, like, three days about being a piece of shit, and you DM'd me and said, fuck them. Yeah, no, i don't know anything

they like we're not going to talk about him because you've wisely decided to not talk about politics on this excellent podcast not sully it with that garbage but there is a subsection of history guy that i guess i am sort of uh although i'm not like the worst of them uh who are like self-consciously like leftist history guys and who become like keepers of the leftist lore. And then they become like, you know, they consider themselves connected to this, you know, tradition. So like by defending Stalin, that I'm defending like the heroic victory of the Red Army over Nazism or something like that. like the heroic victory of the red army over nazism or something like that like if i defend anarchism i'm defending the noble uh the noble cnt militiamen and and uh uh peasants communal workers of catalonia during the spanish civil war or whatever but most yeah it's like it's stealing

valor historically associating yourself because i i believe in what these people believed in that i am on their moral level or whatever and that makes them very protective over it and so if somebody says something that they can like dunk on they're gonna be like fucking pit bulls at a nursery angry I never I never got yelled at

for anything like there are people like Stalin is their guy and they will defend him I can't even put myself. Why would you care? I know. When you do what I do. Is Stalin on the ballot anyway?

I know. And when you do what I do, I make fun of fucking everything. Like, I remember I said that one time. Bernie Sanders posted something and I said, could you please watch your language on Twitter as a reply? And got yelled at for like three days. He said shit. And I was being a jackass. And I was just saying it as in like, I'll make fun of anybody. I don't fucking care. That's what made it hard near the end to do a leftist podcast where it was like,

well, there's a whole bunch of people I can't make fun of and they're funny and I want to make fun of them too. I still have those values. You know what I mean? I just wanted to do a comedy podcast. But Matt, I want to thank you for doing this. You met up. We did it in person. This is the first guys ever recorded in the same room. I love it. I love zipping and zapping on the big old, the kind of desk that they put the Dudley brothers through. Yes. And you'll obviously hear more of us doing stuff in the future. It was so good to see you. And it's very fun. It's been great.

And Matt. Congrats on the guys. Yes. It's a Chapo Trap House at Kush Bomb on Twitter and hell on earth. Listen to it all. Goodbye. Bye.