Guys: With Bryan Quinby - Guys: Episode 2: Classic Rock Guys with Chris Wade

Episode Date: February 21, 2023

This week we look at the christians of the music world, classic rock guys. Me and Chris Wade @saywhatagain from Chapo Trap House, Hell on Earth and And Introducing take a look at people who are mad at the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame and we introduce you to a new guy!

hello and welcome to guys a podcast about guys i am brian quinn b murder brian whatever the fuck you want to call me and last week you heard sex guys and then this week I find a new kind of guy, I found a new guy, period. So I would never, I thought of the first person that I wanted to have on this show to talk about rock, classic rock guys. And it was Chris Wade the whole time. So he's from And Introducing, obviously, obviously you know and choppo he uh does a music podcast so i was like let's get him on here he does all this hip music and stuff like that let's talk about like the least hip possible thing that you could possibly do and that's classic rock hey what's up happy to be here always happy to talk music and the people who love music

oh yeah the weirdos who uh you know i guess not necessarily weirdos because basically every person considers themselves a music lover in some extent but but the more it takes over your entire personality uh definitely the more of a crank you be get you become to be i think that the thing about this sort of uh uh thing we're looking at today is like these people are so persecuted yet there's it's just like christianity in a way right where they're like i'm so persecuted and there's like millions or you know a billion of them or whatever and you're like you fucking you can do whatever you want you're like like the main guy. Classic rock guys are persecuted. They consider themselves the most persecuted music fans because they're fucking psychos.

And they don't understand that like everybody likes bad company. It's like you're weirder if you don't like the Beatles than you are if you do. you don't like the Beatles than you are if you do yeah the the fact that there even exists the idea of like an aggrieved Beatles or Zeppelin fan out there is uh very hilarious and it very much is yes the uh the having it all and then having lost like one percent of it you know like the the classic rock was the overculture for what you have like 20 30 year run there where basically was popular music and then the second that it lost like two percent market share a certain segment of the classic rock fan fan was like it's over i might as well just kill myself well the one the thing i wanted to start out with is something that I learned while researching this episode.

And there is, so I'm going to go a little bit into my research for this. Number one, I went to the official Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction for 2023 video. So the guy that's saying these are the people that you can vote for whatever yeah and i scrolled through the comments and let me tell you i mean these people not knowing that they're racist is maybe one of my favorite well here i mean just right off the bat uh the funny thing is about getting mad about this list is, you know, I think the Rock Hall is largely stupid. I mean, I guess I'm glad that there is some kind of like professional association that, you know, honors the enduring legacies of this specific genre. But this is actually a really good year for nominees.

If you are going to consider this seriously. And I mean, like this, the stupid part of this is that they will then cut, like choose a top five, but just like taken as a like longitudinal study of like what rock music is and what should be in a hall of fame. I think that this list of artists is like,

oh yeah, every one of these guys should, should eventually be in this institution. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, I think like,

uh, I I'm, I'm, I'm getting them up here so people can hear them. Uh, I have the, I have the list here in front of me for the nominees. Um,

so we go, and these are just the nominees by the way that's the other frustrating thing these are just nominees they're not even in the rock and roll hall of fame but people are so fired up about it we got a tribe called quest kate bush cheryl crow missy elliott guess what that's the one that oh yeah the most yeah iron maiden which that's i mean i guess like that the other the only more persecuted group is metal fan of course i think somebody pointed out to me and i searched this up and i did see a lot of it that my buddy Josiah Hughes,

actually, he's going to do the Dave Navarro episode with. Okay, great. But he was telling me to like search Metallica Superbowl. And the amount of people lobbying for Metallica to play the Superbowl halftime show is truly fucking crazy to me. That's hilarious i mean i

mean they maybe should have at some time that could have been fun but you know that moment has passed well they could play like black album song on like exactly next year's super bowl they could play like enter sandman but the truth is like it would be funny if they did and this would make even more people mad uh you know if they did the kind of thing where they try to match like a hip-hop artist with like an older legacy so like when bruno mars played like the first 10 minutes and then they brought out red hot chili peppers to do like two songs that like bruno mars sang with to be like see now we've got a little bit for everybody it would be very funny if they had like rihanna anchoring it and then metallica came out and played like two minutes of enter sandman and then back to rihanna songs and i'm sure that that would

like the perfect kind of like executive brain thing of being like we're gonna give we're gonna bring everybody in and it's gonna be a populist form of entertainment and just every person at both the rihanna fans and the metallica fans would only be more mad at each other. Well, I'll tell you this too. Like to care this much about, I was making fun of like the idea of caring a lot about the rock and roll hall of fame. Like the people that like, like every year for the nomination,

Howard Stern spends like fucking 20 hours a week talking about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And the type of guy I'm talking about, here's two ways to know you're a classic rock guy. One, you share music videos of songs that everybody's heard seven million times. Like, you go online and you're like, you got to hear this. You know, I'm like, i'm i'm like i'm jamming out to metallica yeah and i'm jamming out to enter sam man or like bad company as i said or like i want to hold your hand like the most obvious song and then yeah it would the post the post would be a lot would be like you know dot, dot, true music, dot, dot, dot.

And it's like Led Zeppelin, Black Dog. Yes, yes. Yeah, like immigrant song. They're like, this is when people played fucking instruments. You know what I'm saying? Like the other thing that I think is, so I have a buddy who gets shit-faced drunk on Fridaysidays and saturdays you know works a regular job wants to have fun on the weekend everybody's working for the weekend exactly and on friday and saturday night he gets really drunk and he watches like rock videos on youtube and like sometimes it's

ghost or or something like that which is new i can't make fun but other times he's like trying to hit me to like like some obscure uh iron maiden situate like song like i show not even the song they play run to the hills in the show but like a like 1983 iron maiden show it's like you gotta hear this man if you don't like iron maiden you will love them um so the next one's joy division and new order which i mean look if i've got a dog in this race it's joy division new order i mean new order is a different. That's the weird thing is that it's a little weird to induct them both like that. It's a little like, I mean, again, even as I'm saying this, I'm imagining a classic rock guy getting mad at me. But it would be a little bit like putting the Beatles slash Wings as like one nomination.

But look, again, I can't be too precious about these things i'm like fine if they want to put both those guys in under one sure i like all it's i like it all so the next one cindy lauper i said it funny i actually know it's cindy lauper george michael uh willie nelson rage against the machine sound garden the spinners the white stripes Willie Nelson, Rage Against the Machine, Soundgarden, The Spinners, The White Stripes, Warren Zevon. Great list. All great artists. Truly not a bad list at all. Just hitting all quadrants.

You've got some real classic rock. You've got a little country. You've got some new wave. You've got some solo artists. You've got male, female. You've got hip hop. You've got cross-racial it's it really is hitting all the quadrants there they did a good job putting together a nominating list yes it's

it is definitely one of the better ones i mean having like i mean honestly joy division being on there is super cool because that's a band that you would just think nah fuck it you know what i mean that's like my like pet project or yeah or like well maybe maybe we'll get around to them in like season 80 or something that's my that's like i don't know if they're actually in but i just if there is a rock and roll hall of fame without question mark and the mysterians in it then i just don't think it's even worth having it that's like my pet like one because i love that fucking band but um so here's great song let's bring in a little bit we we have a guy his name's michael noland uh i gotta see what is the bottom line so he does a show called the bottom line with

michael noland i mean and i'll tell you man that's a So he does a show called The Bottom Line with Michael Mullen. I mean, and I'll tell you, man, that's a good name for a show. I don't think anybody ever considered. It's like one of those names that like when you're trying to think of a name for your show and you're like, nah, there's a million people doing the bottom line. Yeah. And so I want to start out with a comment from a man that we don't even fucking really know if he really said it. And I'm not shitting on him or anything, but Freddie Mercury. Now, this quote showed up in so many comments about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

And it's, we are in a golden age of music there will come a time when technology becomes so advanced that will rely on them to make music rather than raw talent music will lose its soul so apparently freddie mercury said that and it is a meme that must be making the classic rock groups, Facebook groups and shit, you know? Now, again, because it's 2023, and I'm sure that's been going around for a while. Obviously, the first thing that comes to my mind

when you say that now is, oh, like, people will be saying, like, oh, they're going to, like, come up with an AI that writes pop songs. But I'm sure that uh in the the places that you're seeing it it is about people using like turntables and samplers yes it is it is it's anybody who doesn't have a guitar a drummer and a bass player sure i guess you could have a drum machine they do allow a lot of these people do allow drum machine

it depends it depends how but you need if you have one drum machine you need at least two live musicians next to it yes that is true that is very true so you have to have a guitar player yeah and like maybe a horn player yes like hardly any horn player so let's start out michael nolan's video and then we'll weave in and out of Michael Nolan, who is, I watched this video and he is the perfect avatar for the classic rock guy. And he is, honestly, he's our first actual guy. Last week it was sex guys. It was mostly just guys like that were commenting on like hedonism to posts doing the review of hedonism

too and then having like their toddler in the picture with them oh god do like in their profile picture so uh here we go let's start them out you guys are gonna this. I'm telling you. I wanted to talk about how the rock and roll hall of shame, shame, shame, shame, shame is at it yet once again. Now, I've never I mean, I have heard it. But Twitter, when you say they're at it once again, it's 100 percent of the time. It's a joke. So hearing somebody actually say they're at it again. And by the way, the Rock and Roll Hall of Shame, Shame, Shame is perfect. Just to set the stage, I have to say that this guy does look like he goes to the barbershop and says, give me the Geddy Lee.

He's very much a 70s studio type looking individual he is so perfect for this i i want people to know he has long hair he has the gray beard i think he dyes his hair now i don't know for fucking sure but his beard's one color and his hair is another color and his hair is blonde and his beard is gray i will say that i hope my hair looks as good as his does uh when i'm however old he is but i'm sure it will not would have done anything for that actually um so he's got a mane he does he does in the background of this uh i see a led zeppelin sign a beetle sign i see abbey road road sign and i a dark side of the moon sign that kind of snuck in i didn't see that at first yes they're all made out of cut out metal and some have uh like

like led lights on them i mean look he's got a cool setup he's got some midi keyboards he he's maybe got a mixing board down there i i the man the man uh tinkers on the uh on his production console i imagine look i agree with you that he has like a cool technology setup i'm with you on that but having the signifiers yeah yeah having i just i know people like the beatles and i i know that i'm kind of rude for not liking them very much they're just i i picked a band in a battle and even in a battle i just picked a band that i like that has more of my um sensibility with the rolling stones now i'm not saying that the rolling stones are the greatest band in the world. I'm saying that they meet my sensibilities way more than the Beatles. Yeah, well, it's like it is the combination of the three.

Again, this is like very, very snobbish signifiers. But if I'm setting something up and I want to convey to my audience that I am an authority on these things, it's like, you know, I've got the Beatles. I've got the Icarus I've got the Beatles. I've got the, the Icarus Led Zeppelin logo. I've got the dark side of the moon. It is like the three most top of the rack, like first,

first thought, final thought things to convey classic rock. What you really want to do to convey authority is you put like, you've got your Beatles thing in there. Cause you're like, those are my guys. But then next to it, you have like,

I, you know, I don't know, like a Paul Revere and the Raiders yes uh like thing to be like but I go deeper than that you know maybe you have a Nuggets like the the uh the the the record cover of Nuggets there to be like I go for like the deeper garage you know I've got some levels to this taste it's not just like what are the first three things that come to mind i do think though that these are his two favorite three favorite bands oh yeah because these are the this is what a classic rock guy now you can sub in the stones for the beatles or have them both but like you know you gotta have the who you gotta have the rolling stones you gotta have led Zeppelin. I mean, I would say Black Sabbath, but I'm hesitant because I like Black Sabbath and I don't want to be considered one of these guys.

I mean, yeah, yeah. Go for it. We'll hear a little more of this guy. He's great. He's we're going to love it tonight. Before we get into the 2023 inductees, the initial inductees, I wanted to talk about how this ludicrous organization manages to survive in 2023. First of all, in February, we get this list, right?

Then in May, we get a reestablished list based on votes. We get a reestablished list based on votes. And finally, in fall, we are treated to some of the very best of award shows. Not. So one of the things you brought up to me when we were talking in our DM was that award shows are also like the enemy of these guys. And I kept thinking about it and it's like, okay, you're not supposed, if you're cool, you should not get mad at the Grammy. But if, if you're a classic rock guy and you see the heavy metal Grammy goes to

Ozzy Osbourne, how could you be mad at the grammys at all like in what world could you be actually because they don't like the grammys i don't know how they pick this stuff i've always wondered if it's more album sales or just like things that are in the ether to a bunch of people and across the country but like you can't these classic rock guys man like classic rock guys win grammys every single year some of them like the beatles will win one just for a re-release or a wing issue uh i mean it's funny how the the grammys have the stab in the back to heavy metal guys forever. We were watching the Grammys the other night, and just because the phrase kept rattling around in my head as if something was wrong with it.

I don't know. Something about the grammar just strikes me. I just tweeted, it's music's biggest night. And somewhere in the replies, someone still today brought up jethro tall winning that first heavy metal grammy and it's just like the making such a legendary bungle that it is like it is the um original sin of the grammys to any like they could you know award like the most obscure heavy metal uh bands bands who only release music in those fonts that it's impossible to actually release their names or read their names. And people would still bring up

like they gave it to Jethro Tull once. That band has flutes! They can't win a heavy metal award! I remember the last time I got fired up about the Grammys was I think it was 2003 maybe. Or no no it would have been 2000 and it's when they gave deftones a grammy for elite which is a song that i don't like so it's like one there there's like two deftone songs i don't like and one of them won the grammy and i was like come on give it now if somebody's checking them out and they're listening to elite it's like i'm fucking ruined man let's read a comment from john jones uh on a on on our uh rock and roll hall of fame announcement video john jones says

it's way way way too early for someone like Missy Elliott to be a nominee what happened to bands like and this is yeah here we go here we go and I love this shit Foreigner, New Edition, Luther Vandross, Motley Crue, Brian Adams, Richard Marks, and Kenny Loggins. Who the hell is at the helm of this entire situation, otherwise known as the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? It's just so funny that from that guy's comment, you can tell that he stopped listening to new, like the last year he listened to new music was 1990. And his music taste is like perfectly preserved in amber

from like what was going on in the year 1990. Exactly. And it's funny, too, because it's like, I mean, Michael Nolan. But let's let's we're going to catch a little bit more of this because Michael Nolan starts starts explaining why people don't belong in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Just before we go on, just based on that Missy Elliott comment, just some back of the napkin map. Missy Elliott's first single

or when she appeared on the scene was 1991, which is now what? 32 years ago? The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame began began in 1987 which would put the approximate same amount of time back in in literally 1955 the year rock and roll the year by its own calculation the rock and roll hall of fame says rock and roll was invented so it would be like at that time being like come on it's too soon soon to bring Elvis into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Yeah.

In 1987. You're totally right. So what about what about whatever happened to Glenn Miller? Andre said, finally, Cyndi Lauper is nominated. She deserves to be inducted this year. She started out in rock bands in the 70s and became a huge rock and pop artist in the 80s. She started out in rock bands in the 70s and became a huge rock and pop artist in the 80s. Over the decades, she has won Grammy, Tony, Emmy Awards and sold 50 plus million records. Go Sydney.

Now he gets a reply. The only instrument Lopper played is the dulcimer. Guitar? No. Bass? No. Keyboard slash pianos? No.

Drums? No. no keyboard slash pianos no drums no she cannot hold a candle to peter frampton who has been overlooked again and again it's now the music hall of fame not the rock and roll hall of fame it's just see that's the insanity about this whole idea is that it makes you create it makes you put these insane can can comparisons in your head where you have to like look at cindy lopper as like a one-to-one equivalent of the entirety of say iron maiden and be like okay what are the relative you know how do you compare these two against each other which i mean is the great thing about like the concept of rock and roll is that you know at its biggest most inclusive most i i would say best it's like almost anything could be considered rock and roll philip glass at various times could be considered like rock and rock and roll um just to pull like i

don't know a classical-ish composer out out of my uh head um so it is always just very telling who people reach for when they're when they have to put down somebody like no not cindy not missy uh you know what peter frampton is is just happens to be that guy's fave you know well and i'll say this too and michael nolan going to bring this up, but in my opinion, if you have this hall of fame, right, the baseball hall of fame, very good baseball players do not make it in. You know, there's like a vote where like, you know, I's not in, but he was great and people really like them, but he's just not in the rock and roll hall of fame. And to me that everybody gets a trophy thing is fine with me i love giving people trophies i think it's great but putting peter frampton in the rock and roll hall of fame to me is like well anybody just gets in now anybody can

get in i mean he was you know i i don't he will be put in the rock and roll hall of fame he will at least nominated within the next decade he will let's check in with michael of course the list this year well all i can say is the shenanigans keep happening don't they now as you guys know i've been very critical of yon winner not only with the way he ran Rolling Stone magazines, but how he has run the entire Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. But recently, we've been treated to new management, haven't we? We've talked about John Sykes in the past. I personally think he is a minion to yon winner this guy has had i imagine that this guy has had a grudge against yon winner since like 1971 yes absolutely he's so mad at yon winner and like it now has become a big conspiracy where they're like well all the classic rock YouTube guys are mad at Jan Winner.

So we got to put it like he thinks that like Jan Winner was moved on because there was uproar about Jan Winner. So the fan response was enough to create a scandal that got him pushed out. I mean, I cannot imagine that Jan does more than I would guess eight hours of work a year uh like tending to his rock and roll hall of fame uh responsible responsibilities he probably like like sees this list or somebody puts this nominating list in front of him and he goes yeah that looks good yeah he doesn't even probably know some of the newer artists you know i i mean i i would say that he knows all of them that come in but like these people also don't think about

maybe they don't talk as much about influence i mean they will talk about influence if it means like the beatles influenced every music that came after them which was something my dad used to say to me when i was growing up he's like yeah and then i pissed him off because my dad's a classic rock guy i pissed him off by saying well corn's actually more about hip-hop and like rob bait and he got so fucking furious at me he was like no the fuck the beatles you know and it's like all right whatever well i'm sure there are beatles songs that the corn guys that the corn guys would say that they liked but yes i don't think that when they sat down to uh write uh freak on a leash they were thinking like

now how are we going to re-interpolate uh she's so heavy into this beat true okay eric ellis says uh what's been happening to the rock and roll hall of fame. These past years is sickening. It truly is. And the reported new changes are just more of that downward spiral. There are too many genuine rock and roll people that are deserving of entry. Not only that people need to go back and reread what this quote institution of rock and roll was founded for and it was not for the purpose of celebrating pop stars and country stars it is

disgusting when one thinks of the true rock and rollers that are being ignored while non-rock and rollers are being recognized i mean but the the it's it's so mind-blowing to me because it is like tautologic like that they would say like this it's supposed institutional right like this is just something that people made up in the in the 80s to like put a museum in cleveland yes you're you're totally right about that too it is just like a museum yes the museum probably has several peter frampton things in it you know i bet you could see the original peter frampton talk box there have you ever been to the rock and roll hall of fame i have not have you i have actually a long time ago i had like a one day stop over in cleveland on a road trip or something this is like in college and we went there and it's fine it is very like boomer uh

mindset uh the one thing that i remember sticking out to me is something personally i thought was surprised to see there but was a little chuffed where uh the drummer from the violent femmes is brushes like they have a whole like display case of like famous drummers drumsticks and the one pair of brushes not sticks was from the violent femmes guy and i was like oh that's funny uh but otherwise it's like femmes guy chris no i love i think the violent femmes are great uh i saw them live once i saw them live once uh they were playing in central park uh free show and we got up there and they played Prove My Love. And then there was a lightning

flash and they all huddled off stage and they were like, we have to leave for safety concerns. Here's Blister in the Sun. And played it in like 90 seconds at lightning speed. And then we're like, sorry, we're scheduled. Bye. They have a real, I guess like, the Violent Femmes

is a band that has a real like mixed because i i had thought everybody always liked them you know like because growing up my sister had had some of their stuff and i heard blister in the sun they they play blister at the sun at clubs and like dance clubs in columbus like uh yeah you'll go in and they'll be playing like you know whatever the popular pop song is and then they'll play system blister in the sun so when i found out that like there are also people that vehemently hate them it's one of those things when you get online and you see what you see what's going on with people and you're like oh i'm uh not very smart yeah i assume that the the femmes are in that same genre as like you know like maybe ween or they might be giants where

a certain subset of people will be like this is a novelty band this is these songs are too silly to be real songs and thus thus this whole band is like a joke to me, but I don't know. It's like when we sit down and listen to that, the first, uh, violent femmes album or, uh,

Viva Wisconsin, listen to them play live. They slay. So I don't know. I've always, I've always thought that they were a Midwest rock gods. They are. They were great.

Dag Nabbitt had to say this. Well, this is better than last year's list. Still no Jethro Tull. Ian Anderson and company were pioneers in steering away from blues cliches, which, by the way, that's a bad thing. If you. Yes, you're right. Wouldn't other people there? Isn't the exact previous comment basically like, no, more blues cliches. That's what this institution is about. Well, that's what I want. Yeah. So in steering away from blues cliches and merging rock with British Isle folk and European Baroque.

And of course, they have an army of fans. Only problem was back in the day, Ian Anderson was Trump like and that he would strike back at idiot journalists who leveled unjust hackneyed criticisms at Jethro Tull. And I think that's a sore spot for those writers who sit on the board. Also, it was pointed out to me a long time ago that the suits of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame don't really like heavy metal or prog rock. I agree with that assessment uh well i am also a big jethro tall fan that was my dad's uh favorite band was jethro tall so that was his version of uh the beatles although he did not care enough about music to uh actually say like oh you must respect jethro tall and their lineage he was more of like well i found what found one band that really does it for me and now I don't really need to think about bands anymore.

I mean, I was like that for a while. Like I, I, the older I get, right. Like I go through these phases of like, I'm only listening to new music. And then I go through a phase where it's just like, well, uh, I'm basically just listening to Phil Collins because it reminds me of like being a kid. Yeah. phase where it's just like well uh i'm basically just listening to phil collins because it reminds me of like being a kid yeah let's check in with michael noland here okay can i so yon when that uh that last comment just reading between the lines there do you think that guy is a trump guy who's also a big jethro Tull guy because he's talking somewhat admirably about

Ian Anderson's similar to Trump's disposition to punch back at these haughty journalists. He's absolutely 100% that I really think that like most of these guys are maybe not Trump. I'm not going to be like that, but like, but like a Republican, like a Republican meeting like pre Trump. I got to imagine that the, the kind of guy who gets angry enough to post on like the YouTube comments to defend their strain of classic rock, whether it's no more blues or more Prague, these are the, that's the true rock and roll are probably your like classic trump biden voters who maybe like appreciated trump's bravado but then kind of

realized that they might have been on the wrong side of history there and because you know classic rock and roll you got that you're a bit bit of your rebel spirit but you kind of want to believe that you're in the good fight you know yeah no i'm with you i i do think like that it is a very trump and it's maybe not even i think as i said earlier on here it's people that are racist that don't consider themselves racist like it's people that are kind of racist, but like, they just think that like their opinion is normal. Like that, that like, oh, you know, everybody knows this stereotype and they don't really know why they're mad. Like they don't know why they're mad about hip hop being in the rock and roll hall of fame, but we're never mad. It's just not real music brian everybody just knows that it's not it's not real music and we all have the same working definition

of what quote-unquote real music is that's just something everybody ambiently knows of course so once we work from that definition you can you know that hip-hop's not real music so they shouldn't be you know it's like that that kind of thing where it's like okay well buddy think for a little bit about like what defines music you know i mean i posted this earlier in a week but like the people that were mad about missy elliott and actually michael nolan's about to say something that i think yeah let's go some refer that that i do think uh comes back to the control over this entire situation is still firm as far as i'm concerned now i want to read something by john sykes he's the chairman of the board we talked about

he's responsible for this list as far as i'm concerned and listen to what he has to say here he says this remarkable list of nominees reflects the diverse artists and music that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame honors and celebrates. Really? Diverse? I love that word. What about the word divert? Think about it. They're both from the same root word. Divert meaning to go around, and diverse means pretty much the same damn thing when you're talking about the rock and roll hall of ignoramus if you ask me i mean the rock and roll hall of ignoramus stretching there and see how maddie and a lot of the comments that i read uh referred to that diverse

thing too right like that they were like diversity what the heck you know that's not what we're here doing yeah i mean yeah and you know it's such like old hat at this point to point out that like rock and roll is like basically the especially in like the early when it gets solidified as a thing in like the early 60s is basically like the white expression of bringing together but all of america's like diverse folk music traditions into a you know palatable way for the uh youth over culture to receive it and so like diversity is about it is not only just recognizing the world that we live in now but actually like honoring the origins of rock like that's been said a bill a billion times uh and honestly the interesting thing for me would be asking missy elliott what

she herself would think about being included in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Is that something that she would find honoring? I mean, I guess getting invited into any professional or industry award must be honoring in some way, but

is there a Hip Hop Hall of Fame that has this kind of press? I'm sure she has at least a few Grammys. She must have some Grammys, right? I don't know. Is that something that Missy Elliott personally would be like, oh, yes, I care about being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I think, yes, I do.

Because I think that in the music music industry I don't know it feels like they all kind of like they don't mind getting a Grammy you know no I mean it would be it would rock to get a Grammy I would love a Grammy I mean have you ever looked at how many billboard award which is literally just selling right yeah yeah right have you ever looked at how many grammy categories there are now for like like the undercards of like spoken word uh recordings distributed internet recorded like there are a bunch of grant legit grammys you could pot conceivably get as a podcaster uh not that i really imagine ever getting one but just the fact that it's out there that like a something that in the realm of what we do like audio you

know best audio storytelling is like a grammy you could get i'm like hmm maybe i could design something to try to win a grammy someday i i think that like the problem with that and this is the problem with the music that wins grammy is that like they want your podcast to sound like a radio show yes and like uh i don't that's not like what i'm shooting for and i think there are so many but especially like when i just look at the people around me like like the choppo the uh yks like i don't think anybody's really shooting for like an afternoon drive radio show but that is what the grammys would consider like but what if i did just to try to win a grammy you should i mean do an npr style thing chris i think you know you got a voice that works like my voice wouldn't work or something like that because it's i don't know loud and annoying but like the npr voice is something that you know oh and then and like

basically just make a murder podcast yes and i think you win yeah you should so i'm gonna grammy i'd be so happy i'm maybe that that'll be like a five-year goal is to design the thing just from the ground up that is the shameless grammy attempt absolutely so here's a little argument i ran into um so j says, I just won't understand. He won't understand. He refuses. Why Allison Chains will never be nominated.

So Garrick replies to him, Soundgarden needs to get him first. And then Tokyo Convertible 87 says, why? They both pretty much started at the same time and in the same scene. Garrick replies sound

garden is viewed more highly than allison chains on the grunge totem pole and then tokyo convertible ends the argument by saying allison chains are a well-respected band as well so i don't understand your thinking with this thin lizzy bad company and many others deserve to be in before either to be fair i mean i would say true on the latter point but again it's just like this whole thing is so wildly arbitrary you know again like a grammy or an academy award it's like a certain amount of music was released or movies were released in the last year and we can look at like a discrete category and kind of the overall trends and even if you don't

agree with the value judgments it's like at least you know there there's a contained amount of things but then just having to like look at this list of nomination and think of like every band that has released music so every and most solo recording artists since 1955 and compare them all immediately direct each other against each other on some completely inscrutable list of qualifications that is basically only dictated by the handful of industry insiders who are giving out this award probably simply about who was nice to them at a party 10 to 15 years ago.

Like that's the real quality that's being judged here is like one of these ancient magazine editor uh editors like had a nice drink with george michael in like 2007 and was like you know who deserves to be in the rock and roll hall of fame george michael you're you're definitely right about that i mean that is kind of uh the people that are voting and stuff like that know a bunch of rock guys and probably are but chris i would say that it is more kind of i'm going to read you this one from duane okay from youtube this list is horrible if dolly Parton and Willie Nelson and Missy Elliott, et cetera, get in Tom Brady should also make it in immediately. Now that he's announced retirement, no joke. He has as much right to be in the rock and roll hall of fame

as a country and a rap artist. Then Tommy replies to him and says, Johnny Cash was country. And almost nobody complains about him being in the Hall of Fame. So Dwayne replies, Cash gets a pass because of his start at Sun Records. He also had an FU attitude for a time. And lastly, Ring of Fire is a true rock and roll song. So the reasoning can be bent for people that you like. You know what I mean? Like if you're one of these classic rock guys, you will say Elvis.

I mean, none of Elvis sounds like rock music, but a question I want to ask you here is like, what do you think is the newest band that, that Michael or any of these people listen to that in 30 years if they're still alive that the rock and roll hall of fame nominates like is there like a band for them you know like they seem to not be so mad at the white stripes yeah i. I think the white, cause the white stripes is also, they're very much doing like, you know,

Jack White has a throwback thing and he's like a guitar God. And it's all like, it's that is like very clearly 21st century rock music. That is like the most palatable to any like kind of classic rock person. I'm trying to think of even any other 21st century i mean i think you'd go with like a lot of those early new york guys like i don't think oh yeah the the strokes would have would offend any like real classic rock heads once they're eligible if they got in um what do you think about now though can you think of maybe I the only name that popped into my head

just now is and they got a long way to go you know to get there but like turnstile turnstile I mean if they continue their upward trajectory I also you know when a band that comes up to me when people are like

oh there's there's little you know rock and roll doesn't really there's no big rock and roll band is always T to me when people are like, oh, there's, there's little, you know, rock and roll doesn't really, there's no big rock and roll band is always, um, tame Impala, which is like very, I mean, very much like a huge psych rock band.

And they're massively popular, even though I think they would be way, way off the radar of any like classic rock guy. But I think that they would be like immediately recognizable to, any um pink floyd fan you know i got an interesting thing for you here too so i went to the classic rock subreddit just r slash classic rock i figured that was the most yes sort of uh that's where they're going to find themselves. And I was looking at the description for the subreddit and something struck me as interesting. So the description for the subreddit is anything relating to rock up to the late 80s so first of all why what is the cutoff in the 80s like is there um let's say is it possible that like poison should get into the rock and roll hall of fame yes like it doesn't make sense they just made up that the late 80s and then nirvana doesn't get in

you know yes nirvana here's in my in my cosmology of what is and always will be considered classic rock i think it goes up to in my head the last classic rock album is appetite for destruction and when that that is the one that really caps off that era if you are to put if you have to put like a tombstone on classic rock and then what comes after that is a new kind of thing yeah but i think it's more of it is a move it moves right so when i turn on a classic rock station in my car, I'm going to hear When I Come Around. Yes. Or like a Pearl Jam song. Like those things show up. It's basically what the people in their 30s and 40s listened to growing up.

But it's funny because it is like classic rock does, even though the name of it confers a time period, but it also conveys an aesthetic. Like you could imagine, you know, hearing maybe Nickelback on a classic rock station in not too long, or maybe even now, but probably not Beck, you know? Yeah. Yeah, no, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I think you're probably right about that. Let's hear, let's check in with Michael here.

I mean, when are we going to get Lou Reed into the country Hall of Fame? Or how about Olivia Newton-John's I Honestly Love You as the greatest hip hop song of all time? Helen Reddy, I Am Woman, Hear me roar, sounds like an excellent suggestion for the rap hall of fame as well. You see in his statement, he really tells us where his real true intent is, doesn't he? On one hand, using the word diverse, and on the other hand, using the term rock and roll. Rock and roll is either rock and roll. Or it is something totally different. And it's time to rename this. All right. So I'm going to get on to the list here. We got to rename the rock.

And that's. That is kind of the thing. Right. Like. They. They would rather just have this museum. renamed i think yeah it is a museum that i have to fucking stress this like nobody fucking cares there's it's it's i mean i'm not saying nobody because obviously we found a bunch of people that care, but it doesn't,

I don't think like, well, when he said Lou Reed, it made me like, if Lou Reed hadn't gotten in to the rock and roll hall of fame, I do not think Lou Reed would care that he didn't make it in, you know? I believe one of the few artists,

I mean, obviously they're huge shitheads, but, or at least John Lydon is, but one of the few artists, I mean, obviously they're huge shitheads, or at least John Lydon is, but one of the few artists who did not attend their induction was, of course, the Sex Pistols, who I believe referred to it as a puddle of piss or something, which, you know, like a broken clock. But, I mean, that's what...

So it's like these guys are mad at the expansive definition of it. But in my mind, that's what, so it's like, these guys are so, are mad at the expansive definition of it. But in my mind, the thing is, like, the thing about having an expansive definition of rock is, A, it is the play from this organization to stay relevant well into the 21st century. And B, it is the acknowledgement that for that, like, 30, 30 40 year chunk in the latter half of the 21st century rock and roll won it was the it was not just like the most popular music it was like the music and everything that kind of got born out of that at that time was in some way rock and roll uh and so then to like retroactively be pedantic about it is is really to you know try to deny your own victory at a certain point you know you're like you're trying to be there you're

trying to uphold the greatness of these bands but then be like you know be like the beatles led zeppelin uh pink floyd This is the greatest music ever made. And these great performing artists were absolutely not inspired by any of it. Yes. And this is the greatest. You got to also. And you're right. They won.

It's what we were saying earlier about Christian. How like the classic rock band is oppressed. I mean, I've heard something I heard and this was years ago or obviously years ago. It was like almost a decade and a half ago was I would listen to Opie and Anthony and they would talk about how mad they were, that there isn't a classic rock station in New York anymore. And that it's all either country or uh spanish talk and that used to like make them and you know they're mad about the spanish talk you know and spanish music obviously

but i just remember like them like that to me would be like a marker that like i mean nobody wants to listen to these songs anymore you've played them too many fucking times you know there is on xm radio and maybe on sirius there used to be a station called deep tracks and i would listen to that station when i was working and wanted to listen to music because yes they play like bruce springsteen but they play a fucking song that you have they don't play like uh born to run yes which is not i mean that's the thing again like yeah i mean probably both our entire childhoods even though we're like a you know about a half generation or so off it's like the classic rock radio mainstays from like whenever I was started being conscious of the, of the radio,

probably like the early nineties until now have mostly been like the same 500 songs that hit, you know, any Rolling Stone top 500 lists. You hear the same ones over and over. And there was this massive output, you know, there are whole,

you know, eras of careers of some of the monsters of this genre, like Zeppelin or the who or whatever, who that do not get any play in favor of like the same three songs. And so like, you know, at a certain point, you trying to argue against diversity is basically arguing for your own favored formats irrelevance yes yeah and these are also the same guy who will you know the the classic like stand-up comedy joke of like uh when when i go see the who or the rolling stones perform live i go to the bathroom when they play a new song they don't want any more they don't want

any more classic rock there isn't allowed to be any more classic rock you only get what there was and not even all the songs just like like you said 10 rolling stone songs uh 10 beatles songs 10 zeppelin songs maybe 10 and like they they just there is when he's mad about diversity it's like he really is mad because he doesn't want new songs at all don't make any more new songs yes yes it is in its own way a a kind of a, you know, a suicidal mindset because you're like everything about to acknowledge that the world is diversifying and things have become different since it is whatever moment in time i ascribe to be its heyday and so it's like really try it you know it's a conservative thing of trying to stand toward history and say stop to try to say that these things cannot be considered rock and roll you know means that this thing is essentially dead and what we're doing here is erecting a

mausoleum not like a living institution i think i i first heard this on choppo so uh the end of history we have we we hit the end of history probably like in the mid 90s i i i i don't think like ever clear i don't think these guys like ever clear right like they don't even think about ever clear it doesn't exist to them and like as with most things the clearest uh delineation is always 9-11 like none of these guys would would think that basically any music made after 9-11 would be deserving of this thing which basically means that it you know their their music died when the new millennium hit you know and when a lot of their their favorite acts kind of died or like a few people in the band aren't around anymore. Yeah. And like, well, they're just very happy.

They would let teen spirit smells like teen spirit. They're fine with that, but they don't have any interest in listening to like territorial pissing. Yes. I mean, while we're talking about death, I mean, that's the other thing. Like, again, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as an institution is very silly. And it's honestly guys like these who give it any legitimacy because the more mad you get at it, the more serious you are imparting on it. But the thing that I find very grim about it is that they do these nomination lists. And as we've both said it's a good

list of nominees but then as Mr. Noland here explained they'll slowly whittle it down to five people of these this list of I don't know a dozen 15 something like that and there's always this like weird like death gamble game to that where it's the Rock and Roll

Hall of Fame presenting this list getting people ginned up about it slowly eliminating people so people get madder about it then bringing in like five new people at the end of the process and so to ginning up more interest the entire time but it's also there's there's this weird like death element to it is like are we going to induct willie nelson before he kicks it we'll find out tune in in the fall that i find very grim and again you know you want this thing to be like a living institution i i say i see no reason there are a lot of bands out there you can induct 10 a year just announce the 10 you're gonna put in and put the put all 10 of them in i mean i see this with wrestling a lot is that like oh god i'm sure

i'm sure that the wrestling hall of fame is like between. I'm sure the Wrestling Hall of Fame is between nominees and inductees at least one of them dies every year. Yeah. Well, the thing is it's a Hall of Fame that's voted on by a bunch of media people and stuff like that. A lot like this.

I mean, it's basically one guy's Hall of Fame. Dave Meltzer is the uh is the yawn winner of this thing yes but like every year someone dies and then gets inducted into the wrestling observer hall of fame and all you hear about after that is well they wouldn't have gone in if uh they didn't die. Or the other corollary of, oh, they just brought him in because he died. Yes.

Yes. Every time. Every time. People that would have no prayer at getting in, if they die, they might get in. And it's like, it's not even that fucking, that's the thing. It's not even that fucking serious. It's fucking wrestling. Yeah.

It's rock and roll it's just calm the fuck down uh tyler patterson's pretty mad he says uh f you guys no boston bad company sticks and foreigner many great rock artists not even nominated get iron maiden and sound garden in please and then dag nabbitt replied well I can understand Boston not getting in under performer category but Tom Schultz and company should definitely be in there under the newly expanded musical excellence category I'm sorry Boston sold a lot of records Boston got their flowers you know it's, it's like very revealing. Like the things that, that people choose is that like, oh yes, you, your taste stopped

progressing in like 1978 or whatever, like whatever the heyday was of that, like late seventies FM radio, like Boston foreigner sticks. Like that's like the argument against the thing is like this is an objectively bad list and here let me give you the objectively better ones and it's always like oh yeah these are just whatever bands you liked when you turned 20 you know terrible too chris i mean i i'm gonna have like a hall of fame that's like i guess, hard to get into. I just don't think Foreigner even belongs there. These people are so mad because fucking Boston isn't getting their flowers. Okay, well, here's my argument for Boston is that guy made that record in his basement alone in the late 70s.

That is a real triumph of do-it-yourself studio wizardly wizardry uh so i you know that that would be my argument see that's the thing is like i give you throw like any given year you throw one of those bands on the list on a list you know as diverse as this i'm like yeah sure boston throw them in there sticks i've seen I've seen Styx live. It was a great show. You've seen Styx? Yeah, I saw them play at the Blue Ash 4th of July Festival in about 2004, Blue Ash, Ohio, where I grew up. And you know what? Me and my buddies went as a joke because what else were we going to do?

And Styx really blew us away. Well, I did the same thing. This is so embarrassing to me to say but uh i saw rush live once because i don't know what was going on i guess i did i didn't like any of the songs except for like roll the bones when he raps like i dig it when he raps but uh uh i just i went to the show and i was like this is fucking great this is really fun fucking guitars coming down from the ceiling and playing but like i would never want to tell i would never be like rush is like great because i don't like the classic i don't like that era i don't like that popular shit and that stuff boston uh foreigner fog hat all that stuff that was like the pop music of their time that

was like the fucking what they think missy elliott is like this person that had a few pop hits like that is what those guys are too like shiny overproduced commercial uh substance lists like i that's like a lot of those bands that that guy lists but now with the foggy glasses of time on he's like no that that's the real classic material and a tribe called quest you know who who are these uh you know genre fraud nominees well michael stein says uh uh and i can't tell if this is woke or not woke, put in a few dozen more rappers before Iron Maiden for equality, not counting indigenous people. So I think this guy might think that Iron Maiden are indigenous people. I'm not super sure what he was saying, but I like that he wants equality.

Like, I would like to also, you know know there's probably hardly any indigenous people in the rock and roll hall of fame that is a good good question when you talk about diversity like again these people aren't looking for diversity these people i think don't know a lot of songs by prominent black artists back before you know like blue stuff and shit like that like i know that the only reason i know lead belly is because of nirvana when he said this is a lead belly song yeah i mean uh you know for most of these people for most of the commenters it's like yeah we've got if they want you know we've got surely jimmy hendrix is in there boom there commenters, it's like, yeah, we've got, if they want, you know, we've got Shirley Jimi Hendrix is in there.

Boom. There's one. It's like that kind of thing. Well, Howard Rich has a question that I saw oftentimes. Greg Harris, that's the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame guy presenter. Why Huey Lewis and the News aren't inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame when they labeled Cleveland the heart of rock before your time Jeff and Flash where are you it's really time see the the funny thing is is that like for me you know their version is like these other

people don't deserve to be in because my guy deserves to be in more. And basically every band you bring up, I'm like, yeah, sure. Put them in there. They deserve to be in there. Huey Lewis in the news.

Why not? Like I have no problem with, with any, but it is like the, the, it's the artificial like scarcity generated by the way that all these awards, the awards or hall of fames do these things that makes you make these bizarre comparisons instead of being like here's a list of 12 great bands can't

wait until my other bands that i think are great are in as well i mean again if this thing goes on forever eventually all these people will be in oh yeah well mike c i i can't wait just imagining a guy who's like on his deathbed being like i just wish i lived long enough to see boston inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame but like a make-a-wish kid their dad talks to make a wish kid into fucking asking for boston to be in the rock and roll uh here's a good one that'll piss off many listeners of this show uh this is mike c he says look i liked that kate bush song from way back in the 80s but it's blatantly apparent that it's just because of stranger things playing that song that's the

only reason she's on this list no offense to her but she doesn't have a depth of recordings that garner being in the hall of fame what's next by that logic they'll next to nominate the rembrandts for composing the theme song from friends uh i know so many people that really love kate bush yes i mean uh have for a long time and she does have a depth of uh of songs you just haven't heard them yes the thing is is though he's probably not wrong that the stranger thing like that is a completely an almost unprecedented uh resurgence of an artist like that based off of a streaming show like that but which i think we're going to probably be seeing more and more with uh the you know the the power of like tiktok to just dredge up bizarrely obscure songs into like huge prominence not that um running up that hill is like bizarrely

obscure but i've seen things that have popped up on tiktok to become memes that are like fourth single off of like an indie rock band that was a whose name i never heard that was active for like four years between 2012 and 2016 become like millions of views on tiktok so yeah i'm just saying that you know its algorithm is weird so he's probably not wrong that that nomination at least has something with her being shockingly massively popular in the year 2022 but who cares great great songs great uh great performer we've got a little bit more of an explain explains a little bit more because somebody said actually kate bush has been nominated four times so this was her fourth nomination so uh i you know the stranger things probably helped but she'd already been nominated a few times but now he's like just like the proclaimers 500 miles

was a huge hit here in the usa in 1993 when some actress on that johnny depp movie was playing in her walkman then the producers took notice and put it in the soundtrack. Five years after it originally came out in 1988, mainly only a college radio and alternative radio stations in 1988. And from memory, a similar thing happened with Red Wed Wine by UB40. It became super popular here in America several years after it was released. And by the way, I bet you more people, parentheses, in America over the age of 45 know the Rembrandt's Friends theme song more than no Kate Bush. That's not even fucking fair. Well, you got to appreciate that guy really cracking open the history books but you know it's funny that because it's funny that

he would go into that much knowledge of like you know boomerang one hit wonders you know songs that became popular years after their release and like have that detailed of information about it without having the background of like k pushes is massive and enduring popularity for the decades up to this moment where then she like weirdly ascended to another level of popularity in a new generation uh you know i mean i guess in the vaguest possible terms these are all similar similar things but you know you got to take the context into into uh account's check in the mic, folks. And I do want to say, this list contains some excellent artists. Some are rock and roll, and some of them should never have been even considered for this list. But for the most part, all of these inductees are either great singers or very talented at the very least.

Now, to be honest, I like a lot of genres of music. Okay, I loved this part. He's going to list his favorite genres. And this is the most classic rock guy list of genres. Here we go. I love great pop music. I love classical music i love some of the solo singers from the 40s and 50s i loved frank sinatra and so this isn't just a matter of

me being a one trick pony if it is a rock and roll you can die now great so he's he's got rock, good rock singers, Frank Sinatra, and some classical. Pop. He said pop. But I don't think he likes Justin Bieber. You know what I mean? He's one of those guys that, I'm telling you, when he says pop, he's talking about the Ronettes. telling you when he says pop he's talking about the ronettes i just guarantee it's it's it's stuff like that and not not like like modern pop which to be completely fucking honest sucks i mean this guy was probably that's fine uh this guy would probably be was probably very mad at a madonna's existence in like the late 80s yes yes yeah madonna uh who's

the who's the 90s it would be uh uh backstreet boys oh yeah oh yeah and and zinc like he got real fired up about that now it is and this is kind of what shows you that these guys are mostly conservative it's like it's like uh megan the stallion is yes that thing you know he probably is hero or mad at you know he got there was a like you know uh you know he probably thinks that that is that's simply over the line pornographic uh um you know it I'm trying to remember the verbiage of this tweet, but it's like it's something along the lines of like, boomers will play you an ACDC song that's like we're going to do the bad thing all night long and then wink at you being like we didn't know what that was about back when that song came out

That is true, they they there was a lot of there was definitely a lot of that stuff too where it was like uh every acdc song a band that these people would say belongs in the rock and roll hall of fame every fucking single acdc song is about fucking it's like oh big balls oh man what could that possibly we didn't we didn't know what big balls was well they were more subtle about it back then now it's these new these new hip-hop artists they really put it right in your face yes yes what's michael gotta say here we're gonna wrap it up when I look at this list that we're going to be discussing tonight, I can only think of the many rock bands, truly classic rock bands that have deserved this honor, not only for years, but decades. This sets my teeth on edge, folks. I can't even begin to believe they still do this after all the criticism that they've endured.

All right, so first up, George Michaels. Now, I know George Michaels famously stood in for Freddie Mercury during his benefit, and that gave him some rock cred. But when I listen to this guy, with the exception of a couple of cuts, first of all, the guy's got a great voice. I know he's serious because he doesn't call them songs. He calls them cuts. You're so right.

They do say that these guys will say like a cut or a track. It's like, come on, dude. But George Michael, apparently not good enough. But he does have some nice things to say about him. I love it when he's saying, yeah, gotta have faith. And that had a bit of a rock tinge to it. A bit of a rock

tinge. I mean, it's a rock song, man. It is a rock song. I'm sorry, George. I mean, you could say that he's more on the side of pop than not. Butorge michael i'm sorry that there's these are this is a rock singer i'm sorry you're right you have to include that if you include like by any definition of what rock and roll is well you can't even explain what rock

and roll is of george michael when you look at when you look at faith like it has every single thing that makes a rock and roll song he's playing fucking guitar these people fucking get so mad that people can't play guitar but are musicians but george michael playing guitar not enough no he doesn't matter yes that's uh i wish i wish i we could get through the whole thing because i won i'll have to play michael nolan on a stream sometime because i really want to hear i didn't get to hear his thoughts on uh joy division which is actually the one that's interesting to me let me see if i can scrub forward yeah let's see if i i'm sure he has a picture of Ian Curtis looking moody on this. Oh, he likes Sheryl Crow, by the way.

That's not. Yeah. I mean. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Okay, there we go. Those lovable lads from Manchester. What?

So far out of the inductees, they are the most rock and roll if you ask here we go next up joy division okay new order yeah that's right two band names for the price of one i'm not really familiar with this band at all i'm not into punk i never was into punk and i evidently they are identified or at least partially as yeah come on dude get it right it's post-punk not punk oh i hate this guy for the punk thing you know why i hate him for that i'll tell you why because i used to be an i don't like punk guy the whole time i was listening to like corn and death like all that music i hated punk i have said this before and people are completely fucking shocked i don't think i liked punk until like 2012 like i didn't even ever give it a chance

you know yeah i mean would you when you were really into that you did you consider i mean how did you would you have genre define that like was that metal to you Or did you go full on like no I am into New metal You know what at the time though It was I would just say I'm into rap metal Like new metal Is such a name that came

Kind of later and I kind of remember Even at the time it was like if it was Mostly used derisively Right you know The two things that it was The at the time it was like, it was mostly used derisively, right? You know, you call something new metal. The two things that it was, I'll give you the brief history of that genre's names. First name that they ever had was Pimp Rock. That's what they were trying to make happen.

Like, and the most famous new metal website to get news is the PRp stands for the pimp rock palette oh um didn't work out so we went with uh rolling stone did the next name or no spin did the next name and called it i hated this it made me so mad mook rock which i was certainly one i just it wasn't fair and then rap metal then new metal but rap rock i remember yeah i think they hated the term and it makes sense like not all those bands rap you know but it's like corn never rapped they they don't their songs are all like kind of singing and screaming but if they do

anything they scat sometimes yeah but the music and behind them i mean like there are stuff that just straight up sounds like a cypress hill song right on their stuff so that is a rap influence so yeah i think i liked rap metal new metal came like way later when I, you know, when I first got on Twitter and was kind of talking to people about liking these bands, uh, people would say like new metal as the,

uh, uh, because the fucking magazines all decided that's what, yeah, honestly, it should have been pimp rock. I think that was the move. Corn tried.

It didn't work out, but that would have been the one that it would have never died, Chris. We'd still be listening to it. Yeah. All right. Let's hear a little more Joy Division talk here. It's a proto-punk band.

Now, you know, it's interesting because the early, early stuff I read was not punk at all. As a matter of fact, it was considered very generic after the wait wait oh my god see this is so funny because a that's exactly backwards like the earliest joy division records like their eps and stuff are like very straightforwardly punk and then they kind of expand past that it is just so funny like you know

the newer joint vision starts putting out stuff in like 77 and even by like that time he's like no i i'm pat true true music has already ended there i am not used to like i'm not learning anything beyond that well the the the other funny thing is i'm not gonna listen to it i'm gonna read about it yeah so like it's like i went online and read about joy division and new order and it's like you should try listening to some of the fucking songs i mean joy division is so fucking important and so fucking good and kids still find joy division my daughter likes joy division like i didn't turn her on to it you know i listened to it a little bit when she was growing up but not a lot i didn't turn her on to that stuff she liked them and the cure which is another

band i'm sure he doesn't think should get in uh but she likes that kind of music she was she got into that music when she was like 13 so these things are very enduring but these guys didn't listen to them in the moment so it's not enduring to them they just think it was a flash in the pan sort of thing yeah i mean it's just very funny to be this gatekeeper-y about this stupid institution with having so little curiosity about one of the, undeniably, one of the most important bands in, even in the most conservative definition of rock and roll, rock and roll's history. Well, they were also kind of generic. I mean, we'll see what he had to say after that. He called them very generic. They're key members.

There was a reconfiguration. And you know what? They decided to kill two birds with one stone on this band. Now, this may be a great band. I've got to give a listen to them. I will. But I got to tell you. Bro, you're like 75 years old.

You're running out of time. Could you do it before you make the video? About how mad you are about this inductee? I love it. I love it. I love it. And to the other bands that are waiting in the wings, this is ludicrous to me. However,

rock and roll they are. And if that be the decision of the rock and roll hall of shame, power to them. I have no problem with the inductee. Literally like I have not listened to this band, but I like went to their Wikipedia and it did say joy division is a rock and roll band so i will accept that that definition i love it i love it i'm gonna read like one or two more of these yeah uh okay this is from common sense so technically you know it's correct i I mentioned this early on the first episode that like maybe some ladies will find their way in the guys.

But I truly am just looking for guys. Period. I'm going to make making fun of guys. Hey, Greg, where's Boston? Brian Adams. Oh, Ted Nugent. Foreigner. Lover boy.

An REO speed wagon.er, Loverboy, and REO Speedwagon. Jesus. Loverboy. Another band that I have seen live at a Blue Ash Ohio 4th of July festival. Well, that's kind of sick, though. I wouldn't see any of these bands live. You know, I would not on purpose, by the way. If it was free and a walk from your house and foreigner was playing,

you'd probably be like, why not? I mean, I would even see Ted Nugent and I fucking hate that guy. Like so much. Ted Nugent has made it onto like eight of my series podcast, just because I hate him so much. He comes up in different ways.

And it's like, okay, this one, like it would be like, this one's for street fight. This one's like, okay, this one, like, it would be like, this one's for Street Vibe. This one's for Shocktober. This one's for start naming them. And I mean, I would kind of want to go to a Ted Nugent concert just to scope out the

crowd. And again, it would be a great place to observe some kinds of guys. Yeah. Oh, yeah. My brothers went to a Ted Nugent show because it was the 4th of July sort of situation. And he just decided to go but he's like uh change your name to the music hall of fame this is that's our favorite line because you have tons inducted that are not rock many rap country pop disco parentheses yes

disco can you believe it donna summer and abba are in there yet many true rock bands are not what a farce um okay guy that is still mad at disco might warrant his own episode they got so mad about that people this is it was it was designed to make people dance and you that's not what you're supposed to do rock music's supposed to get you angry. It's it is you like, they say that it's for fucking, but, uh, I you're right.

It's just anger. It's pure. Like it's supposed to give you a feeling of like, or it's like about like, like, uh, fucking elves and shit. If you're looking at,

uh, yes, you're looking at like Led Zeppelin. It's either about being mad you're looking at... Yes, yes. If you're looking at, like, Led Zeppelin. It's either about being mad or being a wizard. Yes, absolutely. Well, that was classic rock, guys. It was an incredibly fun time, Chris. Thank you.

And tell people where to find you. I am at... Oh, God, where to find me? You can find all the Chapo stuff at patreon.com slash chapo trap house we are in the middle of our series on the 30 years war which is to make it classic rock related you could imagine a led zeppelin writing a song about the 30 years war it is very uh metal uh in its own way i'm getting matt i'm gonna get matt on this show to talk about old timey guys like i think i

was thinking of doing history guys yes history guys oh you should you could definitely have him on to do various types of people who get mad about specific types of history like like weird internecine fights in like the civil war community yeah history guys is a good one i'm i'm like i have a doc of just guys that are going to come up so let me finish my plug and then i also have a a recommendation for you uh and then of course my music podcast with my wonderful wife uh molly uh that is and introducing soundcloud.com slash and dash introducing and then molly and i also do another podcast where we have read the entirety of Infinite Jest on mic to figure out if it's good or not. That's a 980 page book of which we are 70 pages out from reading and

10 page finishing reading in 10 pages chunks over the last three years. That's called Infinite Cast. So those are my four main podcasts Chappo Trap House, Hell on Earth and Introducing and Infinite Cast. All that said, i have a types of guys recommendation for you brian there is this uh korean competition show on netflix called power 100 physical 100 which yes power 100 i say power 100 because molly kept saying it sounds like a radio network i saw, physical 100. And the concept is,

is that they get a hundred different types of strong people and strong, like broadly defined, like, like bodybuilder, like display bodybuilders to like strong men to like MMA guys to Taekwondo guys to like wrestling women to firefighters to like, there's a high, like a competition cheerleader

in there just like every different type of way uh you could be there's some military guys cops every different way that you could be like quote-unquote strong and then they make them fight endurance and physical challenge competitions against each other and the competitions themselves are very fun but it's also just a great survey of types of guys because you have all these different high level competition guys but it's not just all mma guys it's like an mma guy and a firefighter and you know it's just types of guys very much on display and i really hope that they make an american version of it because i think it would be very funny to see the, uh, Americanized, uh, types of guys on display. That's that is right up my alley. Strong people doing strong stuff.

Um, yeah, I just put history guys in, uh, in the thing. And, uh, I do have strong guys, which I should put strong guys. I mean, the, the one that I'm really looking forward to do also i'll tell you a couple i'm really looking forward to doing uh weather guy arrow guy is that like weather men like different types of weathermen throughout the country or like weather fans guys get way into weather you know what i mean like where it's like i have a fucking thing in my backyard that reads the weather instead of like opening an app but uh yes weather guys sweepstakes guys yelp guy and uh yelp guy is gonna be fun i i get it and you can definitely find some true insane people on yelp gonna get will on here to talk about movie guys. Great.

Will's kind of a movie guy. But thank you, Chris, for doing the second episode. It was very fun. And we'll see you next week with Karate Guys with John Gabrus. Oh, hell yes. All right. Thanks, man.