Guys: With Bryan Quinby - Guys: Episode 23 - Prog Rock Guys With Steve Sladkowski from Pup and Chris James

Episode Date: July 18, 2023

Some of the most maligned music fans are Prog Rock Guys. We brought in an actual musician Steven Sladkowski from the band Pup https://www.puptheband.com/ to talk about the PhD's of rock. We checked Quora to get a bit of information about what the music is We also took a bit of a detour to talk about the time I DJ'd my sister's wedding And a prog rock band name game where I made some names up and tested to see if i could fool Steven Steven is https://twitter.com/sladkow on twitter and is an all around nice guy Chris is my cohost and he is also twitter.com/thecjs and https://www.youtube.com/@NotEvenAShow and https://www.patreon.com/notevenashow For more Guys you can go to patreon.com/murderxbryan and on twitch.tv/murderxbryan Music by twitter.com/avantlard of the band ghosh

welcome to guys a podcast about guys i can't do that with all my heart in it now like i did earlier you know where it was like i i did this like i've done this intro three times well i am brian and this is prog rock guys episode i brought uh chris who never flubs uh yeah i'm i'm known kind of as the guy who just has a pretty perfect track record as far as not making any mistakes. And if you, well, you don't need to point any out if you didn't have noticed any. But, oh, you guys should have. I hope Brian got the recording from the earlier because it was really. So basically what happened was he tried to say, oh, the word intro.

And he said like entron or something and then he just disappeared off the call and it was one of the greatest uh openings that i've ever seen in podcasting history yeah it was tough uh stream yard kept uh locking up on me but in order to do a music episode this is only our second music episode uh first one was classic rock guys which is episode number two which actually introduced us to a great man named michael noland um we brought somebody that knows a bit about music that's steven slagowski from pup what's up dude hey i like your hat i mean i know I know that saying that right off the jump is not maybe perfect audio content, but go Jays go.

Thank you. Yeah, I feel that way. Because he wears it in an obnoxious way, and it's not just kind of like, hey, I'm showing reverence for your team or whatever. It's like he's trying to pretend to be a Canadian guy, and it's really pathetic. Yeah.

I'm not pretending i am i am a canadian guy see that's what i mean like he'll actually he actually sort of talks like that and stuff and just to be clear steve i am i'm canadian as well i i live in canada that's debatable that is debatable it's not at all i was born here and i lived here my whole life yeah but you say you you always say this west coast thing and we know there's no west coast of canada i live in vancouver yeah van city baby yeah van city yeah exactly a cool very cool large uh well-known you know international city that's well yeah well we'll talk about that later um i decided this is one of the epics so So we got two episodes left in this run. We're doing prog rock guys,

which people seem to have feelings about for some reason. Everybody you talk to about prog rock is like either. Oh, you know, actually it's good. Or the people that listen to it are the worst. To talk to that could those could both be true i i would you know they might actually both be true it's it i think it could be that

could be the thing that we we get to but are you a prog rock fan steven i like some progressive rock uh i like you know i think more and more now with uh with spotify and kind of streaming uh there's definitely uh a lot of music that is if not completely prog like very prog adjacent that people like that i don't think if you told them it was prog rock that they would maybe take too kindly to it uh you know i think i think there's a there's like a like a band like king gizzard and the lizard wizard is like is a good example of that where like they're not like a lot of people would be like they're not a prog band man and you're like well they use odd time signatures they have a couple of records that are microtonal like

they're doing a lot of things that uh it's like if it if it smells like prog and it looks they're you know they're slipping the prog into the kids candy basically that's right they're slipping it in there it just has a really it's sad because it here's the thing what this reminds me of the metal detect the next two episodes this one and the reptile episode is going to remind me of the metal detector guys because i largely think they're harmless and nice they seem like the nice well okay some of them seem pretty nice other ones are very very strict about what they consider yes yeah i guess people become territorial about that stuff are just very like and it is kind of odd. I don't understand that,

but I guess when it's like your whole identity or what you feel like, but the need to like gatekeep that kind of stuff in this imaginary world that you've created just seems very odd to me personally. Well, I'll say this. This is a question from India, from Dibya Chakravorty from Bengal, India on Quora. And he says, what is your definition of progressive rock?

So that's the question he's answering. Now let's get an answer. Progressive rock is rock music without boundaries. See, that's something I don't think I've seen. That sounds incredible. Boundaryless. That's what I hope all my... I want... Yeah, I mean, that's something i don't think i mean that's that sounds incredible boundaryless that's what i hope all my i want uh yeah i mean that's i think that makes i think that makes fish a progressive rock band it seems like it makes everybody one in a way because you're always crossing a boundary um to understand progressive rock.

Let us first consider the usual stereotypes of rock. One, three, four or five piece bands to melody driven by the guitar. Three. Yeah. In the face sound. Now, I don't know what that is. That might be like that's like that's like sound that no, that's like sound that's like in your face yes that's i've never heard that that that's teenage rebellion that's what that is baby yeah that's like you know heavy duty sound you know it's like not like it's like i basically

i guess it's like using like electric guitar yeah loud i would imagine it's like loud amplified it's like what uh you know it's like when people thought ACDC was like a metal band or whatever back in the day. And they cross a lot of boundaries, too. They could probably be considered prog, ACDC. Groovy rhythm section and three-fourths or four-four time. Yep. Number five, riff-based songs with short solos, verse, chorus, structure. Number six.

This guy's got a lot of overall short songs three to five minutes long number seven influenced mostly by blues music now keep the first stereotype and do away with the other stereotypes what you get is progressive wait okay so wait what was the first one i forgot three or four or five piece bands so you can keep that one but you gotta throw the rest of the way so you're so the band has to have members i guess there has to be a number of members to be progressive rock but you don't need any of the other stuff they're basically saying progressive rock this stuff is the wild west you can do anything you want outside of you just have

to have three four or five people yes it's nice to have three four or five people in your band if you're gonna play music uh melody driven by guitar and keyboard with many songs featuring wind instruments like flute saxophone etc and other exotic instruments which which, by the way, I listened to a guy play his didgeridoo and his poisonous snake house today on YouTube for the show later this week. Oh, okay. I thought you went to the house. No, I wish. Okay. Number three, sound is texturally rich.

Noticeable presence of synth sounds along with the guitar. There is no fixed texture texture and the sound can change dramatically within a song. Number four, groovy rhythm section and all sorts of complex times. In addition to the standard three, four to four, four rhythms, which that you can, that's a stereotype of rock that you can also use in prog that I still don't understand. Um, uh, time signature and tempo change can can change dramatically within a song recently many prog bands play in complex polyrhythm number five no we don't understand what that means because we're fucking we don't understand that at all but steve do you

understand yeah i can hold both your hands for that one for sure okay so that is that is that's true what this person's saying i mean it's as true sure let's go with a a qualified sure uh this one also not limited to verse chorus and songs usually have long instrumental solos which is kind of true yeah six usually long themed based songs concept albums and then seven finally this is rock music combined with blues funk jazz classical electronic music and almost everything else under the sun is fish a progressive rock band because they are a lot of the stuff they're talking about here does fit now okay i admittedly uh and i have i've been public about this before so if if anyone kind of knows or like follows me on social media or whatever uh like i'm i i'm a fish guy i'm not like i'm not as much of a fish guy as like you know uh like a uh as many like i'm not taking all of my uh yeah you don't go around like follow them

around like deadheads used to yeah exactly yeah um but yeah i mean i do think uh though if we are talking about although as funny as it is to hear uh someone say that the saxophone and the flute are like uh really uh out there instruments it's true it is well sid crimston also answered this question and this is maybe one me and chris could understand a little better okay speaking our language yeah progressive rock is a spirit it is a spirit of sound yeah yeah okay hang on a second i'm gonna close my eyes so i can connect with this it is a spirit of sound music art soul freedom revolution faith and power again what is progressive rock progressive rock is not a genre it is a spirit of what

human beings can express through the sound of music without any limit so it is fish oh yeah okay yeah this i understand now now i get what it is i i was really lost before but yeah yeah yeah i mean you know we we are uh we are talking about like steely dan here like steely dan crosses a lot of these like boxes off for sure yes so so like is it what what listen i am completely ignorant about this stuff what what is actually considered like what are famous progressive rock bands give me a list yeah rush honestly i gotta tell you we're gonna come up to this later on in the show there may be some debate about whether there's a lot of like is there is there any that are like not even up for debate these like these are progressive rock bands like emerson lake and palmer emerson lake and palmer okay i would say probably what's that what's the band that um

that the one guy was in before was is that also uh robert palmer no one of them was in uh king crimson maybe yeah that band is one, too. Yes, for sure. Tool can be one. Tool in a contemporary. Yeah, and I would throw King Giz. I honestly would. Yeah.

I think in a contemporary setting, I think King Giz are a progressive rock band. Well, this guy also says it showed that rock music. This is where this is. I'm going to. This sentence right here is where they get people mad. Oh, let's go. This is the good sentence right here is where they get people mad. Oh, let's go. This is the good sentence right here. It showed that rock music can be as artistically ambitious as classical and romantic music, but uses modern instruments and formats.

So where they just everything, nobody else is exploring any of this stuff, and it's not artistic. Now hold on a second is so is is this person saying like classical as in the era because there's the classical era and the romantic era within the western uh canon right yes uh or or yeah okay that's what we're talking about here okay so what's romantic era what is that so the romantic era is kind of in like the late 1800s we're talking about like it starts sort of with beethoven and it kind of carries in with like richard wagner and like uh like some of those sort of like so those people are not cl that's not classical music that's romantic music yes classical music is both a catch-all term and a literal like historical era of i'm gonna

impress some fucking old old people here listen let's you know what let's do it i'm gonna stand up here i'm gonna try and stay on mic but we can actually go we can go through and look up some of these definitions from a from a different source than the one Brian has. Than Sid Crimson? As much as I appreciate what Sid is offering here. You got a better resource than Sid Crimson? It's like he lives somewhere in time and space. So that's pretty cool that he lives there. Gentlemen. Okay, he has the Harvard harvard dictionary of music wow

okay yeah i have an undergraduate degree i've heard of that place before i haven't heard of fucking sid crimson you've never heard of he lives in space and time okay right so classical Okay, right. So classical. In popular usage. Okay, that's, yeah, I do use... Art or serious music. Okay, so any type of art or serious music is... Right. Okay, so... So, but the period or style that has its tentative beginnings in Italy in the early 18th century and extends throughout the early 19th century.

I can help out here a little bit too. You get a little people, this is often mistaken, but they, the 18th century, that's the 1700s. That's right. Yeah.

In case you need to, because a lot of people are like 1800s, that's what they think, but that's where I come in. It can help out. Yeah. That means the 1700s. And so,

and the classical period, therefore succeeds the Baroque Baroque that's that's our man bach and i've heard of like baroque like sometimes like modern music they'll play like baroque pop you know like yeah yeah baroque obama yeah or as jello biafra said uh in his guantanamo school of uh medicine uh baroque star obama oh that's funny jesus come on come on jello fucking look it up okay so we could say that there's brian hit brian hates uh jello biafra you don't know why because it gets it he starts licking his lips thinking about jello shots only way that's how he used to did you know this yeah he used to drink jello shots when he got home

from work like people you know as if you'd crack like the way you'd crack a beer yeah unfortunately i have this guy is also where sid crimston still says unfortunately i haven't heard any new progressive rock band since 2000 and my knowledge of progressive rock is limited to the progressive rock bands of the 70s so uh he just lists the shots fired at modern progressive rock is limited to the progressive rock bands of the 70s so uh he just lists the shots fired at modern progressive rock well they don't love a lot of uh you don't say you're telling me some of these people are oh maybe older and maybe don't respect the conservative they might not they might think that the older stuff was better when they were young and their life you know based based on some

of this based on some of this i might throw another uh perhaps unexpected example into contemporary uh prog rock but the the kind of stuff that vampire weekend is doing in the in the last little bit kind of makes there's a bit of a progressive okay which i know sounds ridiculous given that they like you know it's like if it's like if uh it's it's like if Yale was like a record but like yeah at the you know the beginning of their career but like I I do think that the there's a surprising amount of uh experimenting and using kind of like some of this unusual sort of instrumentation um you know and and previously like when ross sam was in the band some of that baroque kind of piano sound was there as well yeah brian knows about that like i'm i'm into the baroque uh pop brian's just a fucking

baroque ass to be honest like i guess hey yo another guy another guy in quora asked why do i love some frog rock like pink floyd jethro tall elo and the decemberis but really don't like some of the decemberis the decemberis is okay i don't really i because i like some of those bands too that they mentioned you know but he goes i'm sorry what was the end there yeah i don't really like some prog rock like yes elp and rush and believe it or not simon simonian avid prog listener for over 350 years answered his question in a in a in a way that i wouldn't have expected he goes no offense to anyone but the personal preference blah blah is an easy way out bs answer i can definitely wait wait okay i'm gonna hear subjective the subjective enjoyment of music that's a fucking

bullshit let me tell you why you don't like this all right i'm i'm excited to hear this it's an easy way out bs answer i can definitely relate to your likes and dislikes so let me take a crack i didn't give you my two cents like the light bands that you have listed are all pretty easy to absorb and digest oh salt insulting of it is it is it is we got a guy we got a guy here with a big brain yeah this guy is so big it's just like yeah the reason you like these ones is because it's like your dumb ass could even fucking understand this shit but the other stuff like yes that's fucking a little more all right let's hear it's all pretty easy to absorb and digest pink floyd

jethro tall elo genesis the moody blues that's what i call an easy listening prog pink floyd specifically i'm listening frog that's what he calls it that's his thing is that anybody can listen to that he's always saying that to people and people are like what sorry who are you i'm here with someone else this is like sub this is like sub genre of sub genre this is like this is okay yeah this guy this guy's getting a little too deep into it maybe yeah well pink floyd easy professor like he is you know he's gonna go off believe me pink floyd specifically on most songs stick to a simpler structure more pleasing for the ears they try to avoid time signature changes complex beats and in general stay on the familiar proven territory and maybe that's why they're the most successful prog rock

band can i can i can we ask is that true uh steven that they i mean for the most part do you think that's true yeah i would think in in terms of like all of those bands yeah they they they probably have you know if you were to even if you were to like go by a metric of like record sales yeah yeah i would i would that would be the closest yeah i would you know rush like rush maybe this guy doesn't even consider russia prague well possible and i saw a lot of people say that one guy i know for sure thinks pink floyd isn't prog and that that man's name is michael noland so michael noland is a fucking idiot he's a fucking moron compare that to yes elp king crimson gentle giant and unless you've been an avid prog rock listener for centuries it will take some effort for you to get into their music quote as centuries is what yeah totally

these guys are weirdly all are saying they're 350 years old so since you you have to basically have an unbroken line back to the classical and romantic influences you have you were lived to be 112 and you have to get into it early and you're like what is his name again uh this is simon simon simonian so simon simonian was was like saw the the premiere of the ring cycle like for wagner right and he like he's like you don't if you don't appreciate it the way i do you had to have seen it live yeah i would love he was in that concert house in vienna baby we gotta make that movie we gotta make the simon simonian movie he just goes around and tells people they're not prog for like 400 years uh so he goes it'll take some effort for you to quote get into their music as it will

instantly take you out of your comfort zone take topographic ocean or relay or any good album by elp god hard as hell to follow can't just close your eyes and travel to another dimension like you would with floyd my only advice this is the weird part my only advice to you is don't give up it took me 20 years that's good advice and that's just good life advice it took me 20 years to get into yes and elp and i still have not been able to immerse myself fully into king crimson so he tried for 20 years this motherfucker was like for 19 years this guy was like no you know and then finally he fucking he came around he said yes he's listening he's listening to it he's just constantly listening to yes and that's actually

the album he's like no that's not for me though it like i'm sure he wasn't doing it but i'm imagining him like trying it for that long like just like listening to it the whole time and being like fuck man this is still awful to me not yet not yet but then eventually i've listened around about 600 times he's like okay yeah yeah that kind of test yeah i'm just not into like making myself like something over 20 years yeah i give up on stuff pretty quickly like i understand there's some stuff you got it you got to give a chance like but there's just so much stuff out there now that i'm like i'm gonna move on to the next thing well i went to the subreddit again he has he's got the big brain oh yeah right yeah he's got the big brain where he's not he's not um he's not worried about subjectivity no he's like he knows that objectively this is like the correct music to like yeah so he has to you know these

posters these a lot of them that's kind of this is a place where it's like somewhat acceptable to like talk that way yeah just like no this is this is the way it is because people are asking a question you know yeah quora is especially like you can just be a authority it's it's wonderful for this show i went to the subreddit prog rock music our prog rock music and this question was asked by uh prog forever 2112 the rush record the record nice i listened to that yesterday actually i listened to 2112 yes i listened to rush over the past few days to like get my i i also listened to 2112. Yes. I listened to Rush over the past few days to get my I also listen to some dream theater, but I started to find myself enjoying dream theater. So I stopped.

Yeah, you got to cut that out. Yeah, I can't have that. I don't want to have anything to do with them. How often do you get blank stares when you tell people you like progressive rock? Well, yeah, I mean, that's kind of like depending on the setting. Well, I feel like nobody knows what it is where i work maybe one other person likes it everyone where do you work i think it doesn't know nobody that i work with likes it at all uh chris not a big progressive where do they i don't i like i'm learning i just don't know like i think this for that one person is kind of right i don't i like i'm learning i just don't know like i think this that one person's

kind of right i don't think i necessarily know exactly what it is but when you name a bunch of the bands i'm like i like some of that music for sure you know well everyone else has never heard of it at all whenever people ask me what i do for a hobby i mentioned i write progressive rock and they look like i just said something in another language i have to explain what it is to them is it really that obscure for reference i work with people of a variety of ages from late teens to 50s so it sucks maybe just say you write music just say you write music maybe that's why they react in that weird way like it is kind of weird to say i write progressive rock that's a little but it also seems like it seems like you have to make that distinction if you like progressive rock like a lot of this kind of sounds like a lot of this kind of sounds like guys just being like

it's almost about what it isn't so much as what it is you know like uh like even sorry steve i know a lot of people like that are prog rock fans like that really really for the biggest instance i saw is hip-hop and punk they fucking hate that music both of those types of music they hate it and like are really mean about it so i think prog rock people are yeah wow that's okay because steve you you play arguably punk music yes yeah yeah i would say it's arguable that some of the music you play is punk music so you're these prog these prog rock posters might have an issue with some of the music that you make i just want to to put it out there. Here's the thing. I would actually say that we have some time signatures. We have some atypical structures.

We have some polyrhythms. We had a saxophone on our last record, man, and some synthesizers. Yeah, there's like old guys. Who's the real poser? That's what I want to know. That's what I need to know. And I don't think it's me. Let's stick to the episode.

It's like, oh, saxophone? Okay, yeah. Oh, wait. know that's what i need to know so i don't think it's me let's think that the episode is like okay yeah oh wait the 60 year old man like if you go on on wikipedia it'll say pathetic use of potential but actually that's a lie it's one of the pieces for prog rock it's prog rock use of potential exactly pathetic use of prog rock pathetic use of prog rock uh i always uh passive parsley three said i always make a point to say prog rock because people always think i said aggressive rock they still don't know what it is wait what what do you mean people thought you said a girl because people thought you meant aggressive. Aggressive. Sure.

Aggressive. And it's not aggressive. It is progressive. Progressive. I said, because he would say progressive. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And then theremin, which is an instrument. I don't know if you knew that, Chris. I know what a theremin is, actually. I know I'm not. My younger brother played music, played in a band. And so I know i'm not a musician myself but i know what a theremin is okay well he said yep then it's like pink floyd oh so uh then ryan mccoskey answers that and he goes i usually call pink floyd watered down frog in

those situations oh you find something you have in common with people and then yeah yeah i love it that's like walking into a bar and just judging everyone's drink yeah and then and then ordering like water you know or something like like some like uh well look it does seem to like there's like this weird overlap of of kind of like some psychedelic elements in the 70s and and some like prog elements right like okay fine jefferson airplane you know isn't a prog band but like so is it made by white british guys and like white american north american guys like specifically is that kind of that's sort of where we end up right i think that's about where they're at is that and so theremin uh theremins replies that and he goes it's just because it's the most recognizable group that can be categorized as

prog even though parentheses depending on the song group that can be categorized as prog even though parentheses depending on the song they can also be categorized as art rock space rock psychedelic classic rock etc if they don't know who pink floyd is then you have to describe more well then they have well they used to have the guy that was like real wild sid sid barrett right so that was that the music was different then yeah like when he was at the helm of pink floyd that was like very much psychedelic rock music i think the music like there's that one album that they have where it's like very much psychedelic rock but i guess it changed a lot my dad is and steve you might be able to help me with this here he is a prog rock

i think fan he likes pink floyd quite a bit but i think he more he prefers virtuoso right i'm trying to find out if like though like yngwie maunstein uh his example and listen everybody you can crack on him all you want but he's never gonna hear it uh is chicken foot like he's really into chicken foot because he thinks steve sammy hagar is great and he thinks steve by is like one of the greats and i think that's kind of proggy stuff but i think it's a different thing i think the idea of virtuosity is definitely one that you kind of uh you kind of expect from progressive rock bands yeah you know like is like the guy yeah yeah you know you think of like a like a lot a lot of the time the the drummers will be kind of that that's uh like a

like a mike portnoy you know from uh from dream theater i know his brother has his brother has the magazine the website uh technology plastic says best i can give is it's classical music performed with rock instruments pink floyd and rush you know and uh psychic temp is zero says that's what i usually say to family members and shit and then uh somebody else decides that's good but then trip jammer comes in and he goes i once had a co-worker tell me he'd rather stab his mechanical pencil in his ears than listen to progressive rock he was a punk fan also something of a punk so oh yeah i see he didn't just like punk he lived he was a punk fan also something of a punk so oh yeah oh i see he didn't just like punk he lived he was definitely had some yeah i mean this guy this guy sounds like a badass yeah

i mean that makes sense you know there's all this often mute you know a lot of battles when it comes to what type of music you like yeah rock music notoriously uh uh fighting for a real big slice of the pie in kind of the contemporary world definitely definitely still definitely buying records and uh you know appreciating it uh in that way for sure we do know a guy steve that will that we've heard him tell us quite a bit why they're not selling records now. And basically his theory is, number one, that Wilco killed rock music. Wilco.

Yeah, he's wild. That's wild. Yeah, he said that they were supposed to have the ball handed to them in rock. Somebody gave them the ball and they fucking dropped it by not rocking hard enough that's what he said they didn't rock hard enough and that's what killed rock music that's just a little historical right i i like that that's uh it's interesting it's a different theory than the one i would give than anybody would you don't think you don't think it was

specifically due to wilco not rocking hard enough i mean look i'm gonna have to do a little more thinking on it yeah you know i'll get back to you guys maybe if uh if we need to do like a follow-up episode he's done a lot of research on it oh yeah oh yeah he's the yeah um so when vaughn didn't said it has happened a few times that someone asked me to add my music to a playlist. Oh, boy. Not these guys. Don't do that. Yeah, you're not going to do it too many times.

Yeah, yeah, you can't. I say, yeah, it's progressive rock. I doubt you're going to like it. Then people persuade me to put it on anyway. Oh, God, this guy, I hate that. Like, no, you're going to hate it. Like, just fucking they asked you to put it on just put the music on let people decide you know we're not all sitting in a circle

just listening to the music yeah probably i did a lot of that i did do a lot of that in college though so like i i've i've known some of these people i've been this person in the past yeah you're not gonna like it you know uh but he goes uh they persuade me to put it on anyway after a while i cave in and put something in the list anyway after which people seem to stare in disbelief all i can say is i told you then again confronting people with bitches crystal out of nowhere it's been a little bitches crystal yeah who's who's that no clue who bitches crystal is that a Is that a band or a song? It might be a song, right?

I'll Google Bitches Crystal. Bitches Crystal. Steve's like, I don't fucking get that song. But fair enough. It's a song by Emerson, Lake, and Palmer. So see again. Like, right. Confronting people with that is a pretty heavy duty stuff for you know this is

one of those like uh real heads only you know he needs he needs to everyone knows bitches crystal it's it's us who are stupid yeah yeah and that's what kind of why he's even doing it is like he wants to play one that they're all gonna be like what the fuck so that he can be he doesn't want to play one where they're all like oh this is great then he's like oh do i like some fucking you know like basic music that everyone else likes that's not what he wants at all well that is the the very like specific genre guys right like the guys that are like i love prog rock i'm gonna play this this thing that nobody's ever heard of instead of trying to maybe find something that come close to what palatable yeah for people just a regular audience that would be the way to go about it because you

want everyone to have a good time and enjoy the stuff that you play right yeah and i'll tell you what i my sister when she got married like this is 20 years ago but she got married congratulations to her yeah well she's divorced now but oh well that's too bad she goes uh brian will you you dj my uh reception and i was like yeah why the hell not i love music and uh so i that's a mistake that's a mistake you 20 years ago yeah asking a guy who runs around the guy who never wears something that doesn't say deftones or corn on it yeah i mean this guy 20 years ago was a menace man he was a menace when you see a photo of him or whatever you're like that guy's a menace. So the idea of asking him to be in charge of anything at your wedding is so outrageous to me.

No disrespect. You know what? I just got married recently. Oh, congratulations. Thank you. But sometimes, you know, in the moment, you got to make a decision maybe to save some money. Yeah. You know? I know. Sometimes a decision maybe to save some money. Yeah. You know?

I know. Sometimes. You want to have them included. You think this is something that's a little, you know, it's not like involved in the actual ceremony or whatever. Yeah. So I play Be Quiet and Dry, Far Away by Deftones, which I feel like isn't that heavy. And then I play a limp biscuit song probably rearranged would be a song okay so so what is what is the setting of this it's not like

a a nice little lodge place where okay you know and there's people like what are the people doing while you're all kinds of people they're sitting there they're wanting to dance but they're not finding anything giving them no they're not funny i prefer that you mosh to tap their toes to but then they're like stop playing all this metal you know someone someone actually said something yeah yeah this is a nightmare you is a your sister's special day and this would have been and this would have been like right at like you were probably a lot of this is coming from napster or kazaa or one of the limewire one of the one of the big three now i have a question are you um because this is not an unfair question steven but well you're gonna think it's a rude question but i promise you it's not were you by any chance under the influence of gasoline no i had quit huffing gas by okay because he was he did when he was younger he did sort of

you were on pills so you were like under the influence of something oh yeah so then i play oh they're like sorry to laugh but just the scene of them saying please brian can you change stop playing this heavy metal music at the wedding as you're like all fucked up like can you can you play something that people can dance to yeah so what was your answer to that wu-tang clan so you just you essentially were like doing your own this was your own version of the family values tour this is this is wild like like so so were you doing that was there like some sort of rebellion going on there in that situation kind of where you're like fuck them or was it like this is all you had to offer this is all my cds and and my wife is like can you you know your wife was there

because you were you've been with your wife a long time we've been yeah and she goes can you like just and i was like they asked me to fucking dj and then this is what i get all mad oh you're you're coming that's crazy that you're like taking an aggressive stance towards it when it's like so obvious that you're in the wrong on that someone's just like there's like could you please just play higher and higher by jackie wilson you fucking prick just play the ones that they play man like it's you know go everyone knows the ones yeah yeah i would do that now now you're in the business of giving people what they want that's different yeah at that point you were at that point like how old were you at that like not

22 20 so you're at that point you're kind of you're still rebelling you're fuck the world kind of yeah yeah so what ends up happening is after the wu-tang clan song i think i tried to play an acoustic deftone song after that and so people can do a slow dance and they were like you know what you know what and then please just play anything that people would like so i i got pissed off yeah i grabbed the beatles number ones album and i was like if you want this shit then it's all for you and i just played it and stopped djing for the rest of the night. Oh, man. So you were like a problem at the wedding. I was. I was a problem at the wedding.

Sometimes. And then is this something that when they got divorced, you were like, huh, I wonder if. Yeah, yeah. They always fought about that. like they could they always thought about that like they couldn't get over it like you couldn't if i couldn't pay a hundred fucking dollars get a fucking dj like honestly if i had just played my girl yeah yeah but i just played like anything like when i think about it now it's just like we had napster i could have got anything that i wanted

and like i just i was not having it i was just not i was gonna you're like you're like playing it you're you're playing it like like loud right yeah yeah yeah like delouse delouse is a fucking contemporary classic it's's incredible, man. Just like, because if you're playing like Limp Bizkit and shit like loud in a small, like a small little place, like that's like upsetting to like a person who doesn't like it, especially like an older person. Like that's like really making their night like really bad. But I think, you know, this is like, I think, Brian know this is like i think brian this is like

you have an intimate understanding of genre guys yeah yeah which i think i think is is sort of the the the like uh umbrella archetype for you're saying he is he is a he's a music guy he is a type of i would i would not say that now because i'm i'm way more open-minded now i'm like listening to stuff that i would have never listened to in the past like can you give us some examples you want some examples of what i listened to well first of all it's gonna say i only listened to rush for the past two days because i've been listening to a lot of rush but it's a classic canadian band i know that's why i like them mostly it's the canada thing um i like bruce springsteen born to run which is something i would have never listened to back then i like sticky fingers the misfits the talking heads it's just like a bunch

of stuff that like the cars that i would i could have maybe even played that day and people would have been very happy i listened to like leonard skinner recently and sleigh bells and 10 000 gecs and like all that stuff like i'm way more open-minded now than i was then then i was a a genre guy and that's why this guy that's why like i understand this guy people are like put they're asking him to do something but he needs to understand that they want like you can play free will by rush and i'll bet you everybody there would get like excited and really enjoy that but he was like i need to play the most obscure like b-side emerson lake and palmer's yeah that's exactly like i said i mean he just he wants to be the guy the only one who likes it

that's the that's the thing i think you know here's some of these people i think this is the trouble too of of putting and i did it you know i went to school and studied jazz uh and and for a long time that was me right like i was the guy being like well look like i know that maybe you don't want to listen to like a 22 minute version of john coltrane playing my favorite things but like it's really important that you do uh you know and like now it's not that i feel that different now. Honestly, I just shut the fuck up. You understand now when you get older. It's like it's like with everything, you know, when you're younger, you just don't understand the concept. Like all of your thoughts don't have to be elucidated to everyone around you.

I used to do it about much worse and dumber shit because I didn't study something cool like jazz. I mean, cool. It's debatable. Yeah, I do not know that a jazz guy is any different from a prog guy like if anything they will have more overlap yeah but maybe i it's it's cool because you're like you know you play cool music i'm sure it informed it and helped you to become a musician playing cool music so that's i myself i think the entire time i myself was not that cool about it.

I think that's the thing is like, even if your taste is cool, you can undermine that taste by not being cool about it. And if you go to school for something, it is hard. You're like learning all about it, like around every aspect of it. And you do want to share that knowledge with people. You know, I mean, I pulled out out the harvard dictionary of fucking music right like listen to this guy i'm gonna read you guys a crazy comment from a guy long time listener 17 he replies to this thing try being into classical music especially 20th century classical makes progressive rock seem as au courant as succession although that's probably

so may at this point so what oh that's just that's sort of a comment on the fast-paced um you know uh social media culture and media culture in general that we deal with in the modern day and i appreciate that in my comments au courant ah caron like succession although that's probably out of date already as well i love that to like throw a little bit of like okay so this guy does know what's going on in the world let's listen he's not just sitting in his room listening to philip glass no this guy's got a little credibility again i i i've i've stared into the abyss of some of these guys like i also love 20th century classical music i you know i had uh professors in school who like like were essentially that guy right like uh and so you know i think there's a lot of value in that

but there's also a lot of value in uh in all kinds of different music and it's it's so strange to me like i i worked in a record store uh in toronto before we started touring for a long time right and uh uh i the the worst possible customer interactions were always single dudes who were lined up before the store opened on saturday morning i i was those guys for new right yeah absolutely and it's like 97 and they're and they're coming in and they're those are the records they're pulling out right they're pulling out uh uh like avant-garde music and and progressive rock sometimes and jazz sometimes or like you know really really this this one is is cool on its face but then you you start to talk to people about it and it just becomes as obnoxious but like like deep like soul like guys who are like really really really intense about soul and like r&b music and then you like talk to them and they're like they hate d'angelo

and you're like what the fuck are you talking about dude but they're because they're pure that i think i man i think i'm just like thinking about it and i'm not i just like music is so like great music that you connect to it like it's it like uh so affecting for a person i think that that's why these people get so deeply into it you know like it's so easy to sort of get attached to it and be like the experience you have when you sit down with this like great you know classical album you know piece or whatever it like brings you to this place that you just can't even so yeah you get really defensive about it and but yeah anytime you get gatekeep it like when you anytime you start trying to like sort of gatekeep anyone else's experience on something that you don't

have the any involvement in creating is it's really strange to me well this this post on uh prog ear the prog ear forums which is okay looking at uh it starts is rush really a prog band here we go here we go the age-old debate i am quite surprised to see a few rush albums in the top 100 i would not be surprised at all if it was a rock compilations but i'm in but in the case of prague can somebody make me see the light in that case and then he says thanks and then his name is db all right db db d well db is like that's our friend Mike from YKS, who's been on the pod a couple of times.

So I hope it's not him. First of all, I'm a little worried that a guy whose internet handle is a short form for decibel is worried about rock music at all. Yeah, come on. Well, Raph March answered, Raph March answered them Oh, okay, okay I apologize No, no, no, I was ready I was ready to tear this guy's throat out

Let's go, it's fine Rush are considered prog by just about every site, book, or magazine you can name So you should not be surprised to see them here If you still have doubts, you could perhaps try listening to their albums from 2112 to permanent waves which are universally considered the proggiest part of their output they are also if you want to hey listen if you don't believe me you can um listen to their music dipshit like that's 2112 2112 the first track is 20 minutes and 33 seconds long. It has seven movements. It has an overture.

Seven movements. That sounds like fucking Brian on one day on vacation. Seven movements. Brian clogs up a lot of toilets. You know what? I have also been a traveling musician for a long time so there's you know i know but what i did to canada was should have been guarantee you how you don't clog up a bunch of toilets at like a grocery store though no you know what i appreciate that

vote of confidence let's say yeah i could just say i could see that you don't. I can tell from the way you carry yourself that you don't do that. But look, even if even if poop jokes aside, even if we think about what we were talking about. As you know, parameters for defining prog music, we got structure there. I'm sure we have time signatures, poly rhythmsthms which again i found in in the harvard dictionary here the simultaneous use of two or more rhythms that are not readily perceived as deriving from one another or as simple manifestations of the same meter that's okay that's disappointing to brian he that he heard. He thought something else. That was I'm calling it now. I'm a sex guy with diarrhea. Well, not diarrhea. Diarrhea that I know you don't clog toilets up with Matt. This guy is. Are you saying you clogged

the toilets up with diarrhea? Because that is you'd have to pile it up outside of the water to do that. That is outrageous. well no no our man our man is not afraid of fiber no no no i love fiber well i remember when i was a kid rush were considered to be hard rock here okay that's kind of i don't think they're hard rock i i don't know i guess when you're young maybe if you're like when they were first but i i don't think you would be able to consider them they're not really hard well he goes there even was a hard rock sampler which is advertised on tv which had rush on it too so okay maybe they are hard tv's never and tv has never lied yeah if tv says they're hard rock maybe i guess i'm wrong they are hard rock yeah keep in

mind that the sticker uh quote progressive did not exist back then it only came up much later but i was actually very surprised to find rush here when i joined i would have considered them to be quote hard rock too let's put it like this in my opinion either deep purple are a full fledged prog band too and not just prog related or rush is just prog related the way it is right now is in my opinion this is this is a this is the famous yeah the famous deep purple paradox yeah this is often used by people yeah uh you know what i don't have the updated yeah i don't have the updated edition of the harvard dictionary of music Music, but I think if I did, the Deep Purple Paradox would have. The Deep Purple Paradox would be in there, definitely.

You know, they're responsible over at Harvard. If Deep Purple is to be considered simply a prog adjacent band, then Rush must not mustn't then be considered to be at all a progressive band whatsoever. must not mustn't then be considered to be at all a progressive band whatsoever but if you are to say that deep purple is in fact a full progressive band then rush would therefore be a rush uh progressive adjacent i think we got us a phd uh that we could come up with with the deep purple paradox we'd have to ask if we could get uh raf march uh I'm sure, I'm sure we could, you know, there's, there are many institutions that would take your money. I'll tell you what.

It's money depending. Sure. Yes. So here's a guy that was freaking out as the name Zappa thrust. Oh boy. Okay. Okay. I know where his allegiance lies.

Yeah. This guy, he probably likes some pretty kooky stuff. This guy will not eat the yellow snow. No, this guy he probably likes some pretty kooky stuff this guy will not eat the yellow snow no this guy is a kooky probably he's probably such a kook this is a strange thing because this is what a genre guy this i think is the perfect like genre guy that i one of the best i found ever okay uh he goes i'm scared that classical music will kill my love for prog and not only and not only prog but other musical genres as well you might laugh at this and maybe consider

it as some sort of a prank but it's a serious issue for me so here's the deal i used to listen to a lot of classical music from age 18 up to 24 years old oh boy that's tough that is that is tough i didn't even consider how that's tough how tough his college time was yeah the exact same time i was discovering and listening to progressive rock and then i just stopped discovered jazz started listening to other rock music than prog and became a more casual listener after my first marriage so i killed his marriage baby yeah what killed his marriage was being at the record store on saturday morning instead of making marriage instead of making breakfast for his wife and i what maybe his wife was like really into prog

and oh yeah i'm married a prog guy and he's listening to classical music from the 20th century i cannot believe he likes the rolling stones i want to hear some fucking didgeridoo and i but only if there's also a synthesizer sorry sorry oh yeah of course of course just on the track yeah and i knew all this music that really moves me is there waiting for me a vast territory to be explored i was just not opening the door convincing myself that it demands a lot more attention and time than i can afford given the strict circumstances and everyday obligations of my life but i did open the door very recently and have not been able to listen to much of anything else

apart from the okay shostakovich's oh shostakovich sure yeah and uh prokofiev's right prokofiev so he's he's in he's deep with the r now. Those are two Russian composers. Stravinsky's and Bartok's, etc. Okay, Bartok, yeah. I mean, that's pretty normal, though. You know, you're getting back into a genre of anything to just be like, oh, I'm hyper fascinated with this stuff right now, so I'm going through all of it that I can find. I think that's pretty standard for most people in a lot of different things.

Just weird music to be doing it too. Being able to find the local store extremely cheap vinyl of classical music in excellent condition only aggravates my situation. Why pay 25 to 30 euros for a reissue of rock music when I have the whole Verdi's Aida near mint condition as a triple box with nine euros. I have to say I get a lot of satisfaction from my listening to music nowadays, but the fear of losing gradually interest for all other music is real. Has anyone ever been in my situation? Is it something temporary?

Can I have the best from both worlds? I have to say. So he's waiting for your comment. So Mo Curly Thanu replied, and he was like, for me, classical lacks the power of prog rock and other forms of rock because of the electrified instrumentation, which is a serious shortcoming. The electrified instrumentation. Electricity is a serious shortcoming.

Of classical music. For music composed in the 1700s. If they'd have had electricity, I probably would have gone crazy for it. The way he said that is so awesome. He tried to say it in some sort of, you know, like some really smart kind of way, but he was just saying they don't have electric guitars or anything, or synthesizer

bock being bock being driven by the majesty of christ is not enough for me yeah i need to hear him on a i want to need to hear him on a synth you know these guys do one of the things about these guys is that they really do seem to like want to talk like a phd or something like it can't just be i like the guitar in this album it can't ever frog is better because i like electric guitar i like the sound but i i think this is sort of the thing of like it's come up a couple of times where it's like uh uh this is active what you might call like active listening music that is a distinction and and and and why rush maybe doesn't fit in there is because rush just played on the radio right like there does seem to be this implied thing of like mainstream commercial success like a pink floyd

or something kind of uh like like kneecaps the idea of them being a prog band a little bit right like because the normies all like them right yeah yeah they don't want to like they and i was the same way i i remember and i'm an idiot so this is just my idiotity or what oh my god now people are gonna say idiotity idiotity yeah they are they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna reply with that but i hated like the reason i don't listen didn't listen to new metal for several years is because corn got really popular like i got into them in 94 and it was like the first album had just come out and you would go to these shows and there would be like 250 people there. And it was just like this really cool energy.

And then I saw him at a show at like a Family Values. It was in an arena. I was like, I fucking hate this band now. Like immediately. And then started to try to find other metal. That's how I ended up on the Mars Volta. It was because it was like nobody could ever like this there's no but which it's crazy because it's actually good but my wife such a cool cool

attitude i'm gonna find the fucking shit that nobody could like so you were like you were so close to being into progressive rock because if you found the mars volta that like if if someone had pushed you you were already in the deep end of that pool yeah i saw rush in concert i went to a rush concert so did i i've seen rush they're pretty cool i mean they're great it was the weirdest thing because i don't like a lot of big arena music and when the guitar came down from the ceiling and he started playing it i was like this is crazy this is oh yeah production i mean travis barker came down from the ceiling on the most recent blink 182 tour you know so like production value i think is is just one of those things like that's more and more that's why you go to an arena show i think right like uh uh if you

like the music that you shell out that extra money to sit in the arena because uh it's something that you can't get at a club in the and vice versa right yeah yeah theaters yeah the arena shows have come a long way with those sort of lowering things yeah i mean i i i saw corn in an arena right before the pandemic it was oh big whoop i saw corn in the arena the other night when i went to the soccer game goddamn corn on the cob serving it at the concession stand get over yourself get over yourself said that ship good name good name wow that ship sailed for me years ago i no longer have any patience for prog relying heavily on riffing riffing is fine for generic rock because it typically doesn't

take long to segue into a verse bridge and or chorus when riffing gets stretched way out because prog is supposed to be quote epic i'm sorry that just bores the hell out of me i won't name any culprits here because some musicians are on this very forum but i think they know who they are that's kind of i'm worried that steve howe is gonna see me taking shots at yes yeah heave stow heave stow 92 is yeah yeah this guy is kind of this person is pretty nice like hey i don't want to insult anyone because i know a lot of people read this well ron mackett ron mack didn't reply to him and say isn't prague just electrified classical in many ways

okay hang on a second now you got my my brain moving here this is a thought i love this similarities are vast like no human would ever say that about any other kind of music except progra so music music is my whole life you know like professionally and and and whatever the case may be and i don't think i care about it this much no it'd be impossible it would be like this guy you have other interests i bet like this guy right here it's he's on the subreddit he goes is at war with satan by venom prog it's a 20 minute track off their third album from 1983 he goes this guy answers him venom frog that is even more outlandish than claiming that iron maiden is black metal usually good lord i now see i would simply never do that that's ridiculous like god can you imagine i mean yeah that's such a great

example because usually it's more productive to state that something has something in common with something else and may be of interest to people who like this than claiming that something is the same thing as another thing and thereby starting a long discussion about it unless like here where the whole point of is to discuss genres in which case it's a good way of starting a discussion so what are we talking what the i'm just still thinking i'm still so fucking pissed off thinking about somebody saying iron maiden's fucking black metal i want to fucking beat the shit out of someone if they i would kill them if they said that well and and i'm gonna do one more thing and then we're

gonna play the name game we do have a name game game. Okay, I just want to be clear, Steve. This is not like, oh, we did it one other time in like 25 episodes. It's not like a regular segment. I'm happy to establish a bit here to help do my part. Yeah, it won't be a segment, if you will. It would be nice if we could establish a segment. We have yet to do that.

Well, we do different things on different shows okay and in this one we're gonna do a name game because the name of prog rock bands are funny um but this guy it's it's good to have a musician on here like because this is something that you might have to start thinking about okay and it's constantly captious and he goes do you listen to the deluxe version of an album or the original version oh i actually do have i have a i have a stake in this yeah this is one that i have an opinion on for sure whether on streaming services or via cds i'd like to know your opinion on which versions are superior if you're listening on vinyls.

I guess it's a matter of which pressing you prefer. I'm listening to Vandergrift Generator, and I was looking through their albums on Spotify when I saw some new, to me, re-releases. Already have playlists with the original versions, so that's why I'm curious if it worked my time recreating the playlist with new tracks. And I just, real real quick this guy this so there's a guy with a solution for this and i think you guys will really like this his name's going for the one and he goes uh demo songs and outtakes would have been a nice addition if the record companies and whoever were in charge had the decency to add a moment of silence before the song started. Sorry? Our man has an issue with sequencing and the number of seconds between tracks within the sequencing. Okay.

So he wants a minute? Or he's saying that is how long? I don't even think he wants a minute. I think he needs a breath. He just needs a little bit of time in between. It's going too quickly into the next song. He's never heard of a pause button. Yeah, but also, like, I don't know.

You would know much better than me here in this case, Steve, because like some albums, I feel like, you know, the songs are meant to, I don't know what it's maybe. It's just called the medley. Like it just, you know, like it just to i don't know what it's maybe it's just called the medley like it just it continue you know like it just plays into the next song it's a continuous thing they bleed yeah we'll go thank you very much okay so so there you go so i mean is that like is it a is this even an issue like is this something that they wanted to do maybe i gotta clear yeah i would yeah i gotta clear it up for him he i do have to be fair to

this guy he is talking about from the last song on the album to the deluxe tracks i see okay yeah he's not talking about an album itself he's talking about that so he wants that's fair he wants a little break after he's just fucking taking in this whole album now he needs to sit you know think about it a little bit but you're right he can just press taken in this whole album now he needs to sit you know think about it a little bit but you're right he can just press pause putting them so he goes uh if this had happened when this trend started on cd then perhaps it would have become the standard 30 seconds would have been enough and even 15 seconds if they were short on space would have made a difference putting them on an extra cd would have been even better but of course that would have

been more costly back in the day but nowadays it should become the standard on streaming services at least but it seems that not enough people care about this i really hate how so many cds and spotify albums are mangled by starting another song right after the last song yeah i hate this fucking thing that is basically ruined this is the thing that's ruining the music industry this is the thing that it's like making it so people don't buy albums anymore okay okay oh my god the last song is the last song for a reason for a reason he is right he's right about that for a reason you put it there for a reason you want it to sort of linger in people's minds a little bit and all of a sudden now boom we're

gonna go right into the yeah no i'll just go ahead and not buy an album anymore and never go to another live show thank you very much that's my attitude as a consumer yeah so this guy he says sometimes the outstakes outtakes and even the demo versions can be very interesting material. But usually when I want to listen to an album, I want to hear that album as it was meant to be. I want it to end with a bang, contemplation, sublimity, or a lighthearted way. But I certainly don't want it to end by hearing another song I just heard all over again. Wow. So then I would say that our man does not like the deluxe edition i would say stay away from

the deluxe edition and you'll be totally fine well he even explains one he even has one for an example oh he's got one on deck yeah the remaster of pentagel's basket of light is especially egregious in this way as it throws two versions of sally go around the roses right at you after the album is over what are you trying to do make me hate this song so he can just yeah why doesn't he just stop though but and why does he get it why does he because isn't he purchasing the one that that has that it's not like the only difference in it spotify yeah he's on spot so you know i i do think part of this part of this has the the um the like propensity to to put out uh expanded and deluxe editions now or like a like you know a taylor's version uh yeah it's sort of like there is is money to be made from

people like this who are going to be want to hear those alternate takes right so so then so they this is like on spotify so if you're just downloading this they just do that automatically you're not choosing this one way or the other you can choose it but a lot of the time people maybe don't see that or like whatever right so like but and it happens not only with like prog like or like whatever you know bands from the 70s uh but it happens like with with uh with uh like contemporary bands too um you know or like in japan one of the things that is just like sort of a a like um when when we had some stuff come out in japan like they asked the label there that was putting it out asked for uh extra songs because they the big thing in in japan is like that record is something

sets it apart whether whether it's an added song or something because that just it like plays well in that market right so there is some of that like some of these deluxe or like japanese editions will be um like uh different in some way whether it's the artwork and an added song um but i do think for the most part that uh now is about just streaming royalty right like a lot of these larger artists are selling their back catalogs to um to either venture venture capital firms or back to the record label or whatever and that is a really easy and cheap way to make returns on that investment because all that music has already been recorded and the reason it didn't get put out at the time is because probably because uh the artist didn't fucking like it right like that's why there are a bunch of different it's not like the only case uh in which i would maybe push back on that is like

in within jazz because there is a sort of like fundamental like improvisatory thing going on each take is a little bit different right it's not like there are you know and and maybe for some of these two but like if the idea with prog is that it's uh uh considered in its uh many movements and uh uh compositional uh uh you know uh sibling uh it's a compositional sibling to classical music wouldn't they just all kind of sound the same like maybe they're trying different tones and stuff but like to me it's like this is a worse version that didn't work out the way we wanted it to so we're gonna re-record it and make the one that we want and that's the one we released but is spotify is also set up does it say hours of music or number of times that a a album is played i think it can be both i think it will display

like the most popular by number of streams and then you know you're seeing more and more i think a lot of a lot of people across genre putting out records that would make no real sense in a physical like not to get all like marshall mccluhan about it like medium determines the message or whatever but like uh you know putting out longer and longer records that wouldn't make sense to press to vinyl or even to put on a single CD doesn't really matter anymore because there's no, there's no kind of thinking that you're going to put it on either of those formats. You are simply putting it out there to maximize the amount of time for keeping listeners and streaming and playlisting and having lots of different options and it is it is very much kind

of like um the same way that like cds could have that sort of songs bleeding in that was kind of like a a hallmark of cd era um like records yeah it seems like they still i mean an important thing to remember too a very important thing to remember about Spotify as well is that it's woke. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It has gone woke. That's important to remember. Well, we have a real – I have 10 prog names, and you've got to choose if it's real or fake.

Oh, so Brian's – you've written some here, Brian. You've written some of these. I made some up, just like the whole show. Oh, this is exciting. I love when Brian does this kind of prep uh-huh uh so these are band names and i said this i've said this if i get steven one time it's gonna make me feel so good i just gotta say no okay one time and i and i garrett i will say this i mean steven seems to know a lot about music he has a background in music we heard it described he went to school for music he plays

in a very popular and great band that makes music but i am going to go ahead and guarantee as i did i believe against uh weiger and uh mitch uh the does boy yeah the dough boys i believe i'm going to go ahead and guarantee a victory here this this person is this guy steve does not stand a chance against me i'm gonna dominate this well the first band i have here is tornado t-o-r-M-A-T-O. And we'll go to Chris first. Okay. It sounds like, you know, Termator or whatever. It sounds like fucking Larry the Cable Guy, you know, and he's Tow Mater. Remember, I was a cable guy.

Yeah. Movie, Jim Carrey. Okay. Let me see here. I'm gonna say that this is a real band. All right, Steven, what do you think here? I also think it's a real band. Go. You guys both got it right. That is a real band. Oh, yes. Thank you. So this is going to be if we're i think we should do it separately because it's not going to be fair like i'm going to know that steve got it right so i'm going to like whenever whatever he gets i'm just going to guess that's why you'll go oh i'm always going to

go first well yeah we'll have you go first we're recognizing okay the next band player the next band is biblical trials biblical trials biblical trials i mean this i have to be like a like a religious band you know maybe i mean a lot of these bands sing about like the bible and shit like that i know brian is very religious yes so this would be something he would think about he's thinking about a lot the bible and biblical stuff i'm gonna say this is i'm gonna say this is a fake band okay steven what do you think uh biblical trials biblical trials i also think they're a fake band that was yeah that was one of my bad names i knew it i knew it brian You too baby. That's really difficult because

yeah Brian is just so notoriously he's like he's like evangelical. So anytime you hear anything as a religious reference to it it's coming from his fucking deranged fucking religious brain you know. This next one is I'm either a swinger or I'm religious. You can't be both things. Yeah that's true. Actually that's true. It is hard to be a religious swinger or i'm religious you can't be both things yeah that's true actually that's true it is hard to be a religious swinger like publicly at least i could look i can look into it like if if there's like a religious swingers community you know where you're like yo i fucking respect the word of god like massively but i also love to suck and fuck other random people isn't that essentially what happened in bountiful bc oh bountiful bc i mean they were like how did that was like a real like polygamous

like uh commune yeah that was like a thing where like everyone's married to one person or whatever yeah they really tried you know they tried that was really sinister stuff i think oh yeah i mean that's why it's it's you can't combine the two you can't combine the two you're right it becomes really fucked up they're all they go they go full cult very quickly when you mix religious and then sex club i almost said if you're if you're either swinging or singing like some sort of like him yeah but i it's i can't it's not fully there so i didn't i didn't get it there the next prog rock band name here is chronological distance is a chronological distance is the name of a band

chris is that real or is that fake um chronological distance's such a stupid name. It's so dumb. Brian would think of a dumb name, but so would these prog rock guys. I think you're giving me too much credit. Okay, I'm going to say this one is a fake name, though. And, Steven, Chronological Distance. I think it's fake, too. Man, you guys, you're both exactly right on that one yeah we are right now steve and i are both just dominating brian in this game do you know what

the problem with chronological distance is it's too funny yeah yeah that's that's why it's like it's like the stupid funny it's like so dumb that it makes you laugh and like that yeah that was a working title of a christopher guest movie before he figured out yeah that's you know what i mean like that's very good it's very good chronological distance that's actually you should use that for something brian okay i'll start i'll start a prog band start a start a start a project of some structure time signatures polyrhythms just remember every time the polyrhythms thing comes up he's gonna get distracted strange instruments the next one is the anchorette a-n-c-h-o-r-e-t the anchorette i don't see you making up something

like that so i'm gonna say that's a real band and steven i also i i'm i yeah it's a real band oh you guys are 100 percent 100 so far this is this is honestly like i was expecting i was thinking this is gonna be a showdown i'm gonna take this guy out it's become just this like two-on-one thrashing you know of brian's game okay uh the next one is porcupine tree brian yeah yeah such a crazy tan i got a sunburn i got burned bad today yeah he's he's just got but the bird is like it's like how did it not get your arms and those like you know i don't, because I was out all day. I mean, it got my back.

Yeah, it got your back. If you guys could see it right now, it's, like, burned. It is on his shoulder, like, down on his chest a little bit. But there's parts of his arm are completely fine. I just walked in the house, like, an hour before we started recording this. And I was like, I swear to to god i i reapplied over and over again and obviously didn't work sun's out there kind of you kind of look a little bit like a tornado yeah so i i got a porcupine tree this is the first one that i'm unsure of this is the first

one where i'm like i'm not 100 sure on this one because this could be this could be either um sure on this one because this could be this could be either um porcupine tree i'm gonna say that's a real band okay steven what do you think of porcupine tree unfortunately this one i don't think i know porcupine tree is a real band oh wow yes i can't believe i got that one as well. How many do we have in a row here, Brian? Five against five to five. So right now we're halfway through the game and we have both gotten every single one and I've gotten them legitimately because I'm going first and I don't think Steve has needed my help on it.

No. The next one is Bumblebee Eagle Speed. Bumblebee Eagle Speed. no the next one is bumblebee eagle speed the bumblebee eagle speed i think that's a great name but i think it's like that's how you would think of a name like that because just because of the like words you know bumblebee eagles you know that's i think eagle speed e-a-g-l-e-s-p-e-e-d yeah bumblebee eagle speed yeah it sounds like it reminds me of engelbert humperdinck it's true it does so i kind of think maybe you were like thinking of that and then you said it but i never thought of engelbert humperdinck in my life and he's and you're like engelbert humperdinck, Bumblebee fucking Dick Cheese or whatever the name is. Eagle Speed.

God damn it. Eagle Speed. Okay, now I'm going to say, though, it's maybe too good for you to have come up with as well. I think this is a real one. Okay. Steven, Bumblebee, Eagle Speed. This one's tough. This one's tough this one's tough yeah brian seemed pretty confident there like you know when i said it he has a lot of tells

a lot of tells and i'm not telling i'm trying not to look i'm not telling i'm not looking at stuff i think this one is fake okay we have the first disagreement oh chris five steven six oh fuck man i knew it i fucking knew it your dumb ass came up with that here's one here's an easy one i can this one i'm i'm basically giving it away eloy who elo. E-L-O-Y. Eloy. I mean, E-L-O is one, but. Not a Y. But it's one, it's a word. It's not the letters E-L-O-Y.

It doesn't stand for electric light orchestra or something. Electric light orchestra? Yes. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Electric light orchestra and Yuri and it's just like this extra guy you know he's in there. Okay. Let's see here. He said this is an easy one but why is it I don't know why it is I don't know. I mean, if it's an easy one well you made it right i i know but i i made this one to be obvious okay so you're saying it's fake okay so i'm gonna go with fake that's a free one that's a minute. No, it's real. Eloy's real.

I was going to say it's a real band. Well, that's not fair. You played all kind of mind games with me on that one. I thought I fucked up. I thought I flubbed. Yeah, that's great. You played mind games with me. I'll leave it out.

It's okay. No, it's 7-5. You know, it's 7-5. That, unfortunately, is another one that I knew. Yeah, that's not five yeah unfortunately that unfortunately is another one that i knew yeah that's not steve's fault that you played that those games with me glass museum glass museum glass museum sounds like a real band you going with real let me look into your eyes i'm gonna say that it's a fake band after looking into his eyes okay steven glass museum

that feels like a real one to me all right well it's eight to five now last museum is real now we got my first instinct i looked in his eyes and i thought this guy is abs look at this guy is absolutely lying uh you guys could see the look he gave me the next one uh we got two more here the redondo protocol more here the redondo protocol i mean that one's got it come on that one's got to be fake the redondo protocol those are the types that he comes up with like bumblebee dingleberry the redondo protocol redondo protocol sounds like it wanted something for brian's braid no that one sounds like a Southern California prog band. Okay. So you're real and Chris is fake.

Yeah. Oh, I got you. I got you. That was the one I got you. That one was made up. I faked that one. And then we got one more left. You gotta know that's how his brain, he just thinks like, ba-bum-bo, ba-ba-bo-bo. He's like, ba-bum-bo, ba-ba bum bum bum bum like any of the ones that are like that you know like bingo berry buckle bear bum bum you know you say that you say that but i could see them opening

for dub side of the moon oh without a doubt it sounds believable i just know how he thinks of names you know well the first time i went to la we stayed at redondo beach so just redondo was a thing that was in my mind and there you go there's so many bands with protocol in it and this so the last one i have here is game boy advance game boy advance okay i i feel like this could be real but then they might get in trouble i don't know if they'd even be allowed to have that as their name if they were like a big band like they might get in trouble from the nintendo i don't think band camp would that most of these bands are band camp bands okay so game boy advanced again do you see how he's playing my this is mind games this is not

should not be allowed i'm not playing mind games i'm just telling you so he's saying most of these bands are band camp bands so therefore this you know he's telling me this is a real band so i'm going to say this is a real band under the radar this is this is what i'm saying real band based on brian's advice he's just citing his sources yeah i'm i'm saying that i found these on a Prague message board. Based on what Brian said, I'm going to go with real band. I think it's a real band. I think it's a real band. I got you both. Eight to six.

Steven wins. That's not fair, though. See, man, that I he's he's he's plays these mind games and it makes it not fair. He saw that his game was he was getting dominated at his own game. So he's like, let me bring out the mind games dude i have the list i can show you the list i feel bad about that one because i had i had a game boy advance you know like these these this part like oh i'll show you the list i'll show you the list these are part of the mind game still it's not even over you think it's over you'll send a text after elaborate and elaborate any text or anything definitely yeah and i want to it's it's a progressive mind game

i want to thank you steven for coming on tell people where the varminties and pup of course uh yeah pup pup the band uh uh if you find yourself in the mountains in Salt Lake or in Denver, we'll be there in a couple of weeks for a festival. We'll be in Montreal for the Oshaga Festival. Oh, I love Montreal. Yeah, we'll be at Riot Fest in Chicago later this fall and in Michigan and kind of moving around. When is Riot Fest? Now I'm like making plans.

Yeah, Riot Fest is the weekend of like september 15th i think i'm gonna be in chicago two weeks after before that wrestling more than wrestling we'll just miss you i know every day weekend i'm going to wrestling the good stuff good big pay-per-view well i'm not the good i don't confuse him. He's not going to WWE. He's going to the littler one. The AEW? Yeah, the little all-friends wrestling. Yeah, but yeah, Pup the Band, you know, on all the social media. And I'm at Sladcow with a varying number of S's added on all the social media. And yeah, you know, the band's music is on all the streaming

and all that stuff. And if you do want to buy a record, I promise you it won't be a deluxe edition. Yeah. Okay, good. It ruins it. It ruins it. It ruins it for me.

All right. None of those tricks. You know where Chris is at. He's not even a show and we love him. I'm on the guys podcast. Yeah. Patreon.com slash MurderXBrian. You can get more guy stuff.

We got guys plus. I can't tell you what's coming at the end of this week, but I'm sure the listeners were really happy that I got some Randy Mon stuff and some Yelp stuff. And it'll be fun. And also twitch.tv slash MurderXBrian. Me and Chris look at swingers clubs.