Guys: With Bryan Quinby - Guys: Episode 35 - Ska Guys with Josiah Hughes

Episode Date: October 10, 2023

What is ska? I don't think any of us really know but we talked about it like we did. We love horns!!! We talk about gatekeeping, Josiah brings us a ska song by one of the guys from The Imagine Dragons and we all try to learn how to skank. Then, at the end of the show we have the Ska Band Name Game Josiah is on twitter at twitter.com/josiahhughes Chris is on youtube at youtube.com/noteveashow on twitter at twitter.com/thecjs also, on patreon at https://www.patreon.com/notevenashow Get more Guys content at patreon.com/murderxbryan and twitch.tv/murderxbryan and more Bryan on most of the social media apps  

welcome to guys a podcast about guys i am your host brian and uh with me today is the poser chris james okay that one like i feel like i guess it is maybe from the like from whatever we're doing but it's also just kind of like in general rude thing to say to someone you're a poser you don't know anything about ska okay and that's true well i know a lot about ska you could call me a ska expert scospert uh but with us this week we had him on before and i love him and he's a good guy josiah hughes what's up dude hey what's up i think you know i think it's it's obviously relative to the topic i think ultimately i've kind of made a career and lifestyle out of being a professional poser but i gotta say chris being a ska poser is a wonderful thing to be that's like something to be proud of yeah i i mean i

will say this i looked up ska bands because i was kind of like i don't really even know any i don't think like that's what i was thinking before the episode and i kind of discovered something interesting is that there is a band that when i was young i loved and they are kind of a considered a ska band at least some of their songs are ska songs who really rancid rancid yeah well yeah i don't know i've seen some arguments for and against that yeah okay yeah i understand that's a big part of being in the ska community is arguing about what is and isn't ska music right isn't that the big thing about being in really any isn't that what defines a community is arguing about the room yeah that's true community i don't i i think metal to to a certain extent but metal is also kind of like more i hate when i have when i say because when people are going to go crazy on me but metal

is oh this this this episode everyone's going to be mad about i think it's one of those topics that just upsets everyone but we need to explain to everybody we are not experts on ska we're just talking about you seem like you are one like one moment ago you said that you're an expert on ska exactly like you that's how you open the episode bring up old stuff sorry it was like one it was actually one minute ago i'm not exaggerating not really very old yeah yeah just some old stuff that i said wait it was a different time people were saying all kinds of things honestly in that time you could get away with a lot more and you could say stuff like that i'm not sick anymore i guess that you did here and that so does that

have something to do with your liking or disliking of Ska? You're saying people who like Ska would have to be sick? Okay. No, no, no. That is kind of true. I'm saying I'm not sick anymore, but you also have to take it easy on me because I'm in my sleeves phase now. For the past three or four shows, I've had sleeves.

Nobody noticed, but I'm wearing sleeves again. It's because it's the normal way people look at you. Yeah, that's not something you notice. That's why I didn't notice. Yeah, well, sleeves, Stussy shirt, that's a company out of New York. Listen, I'm going to continue to perpetuate the lie that it is based out of Vancouver and it was originated in Vancouver. I don't care how many people send me messages angrily about it. Yeah.

Well, yeah. And it's not. What makes you think that it's from Vancouver? Nothing at all. I just made it up. Sometimes I'll just make stuff like that up and say it and then a lot of times people get angry about it well the first thing we're going to do on the sky episode is we're going to discuss something that is a big thing in the community and it is sky is the first

genre music that is cut into waves so that like even it that's definitely not true that's definitely not that's like the least expert thing i i am not a music expert i know all of i mean all of life in general is waves right that's like i guess like what i'm saying i mean that's even how they transfer the files is via waves yes yeah that's, that's higher. It's better than MP3 as far as quality goes. There's three waves of ska. And if you're on the outside like me, you just think it's cartoon horn music. So are you on the outside? So I'm just trying to.

I think we need to establish. You guys go up on the outside. I'm an anthropologist. You're the ska expert. I am the expert on this show. But you recently, to pull the curtain back obviously you didn't do nothing about it before you started researching it a little bit and so you're not really an expert but josiah do you what do you have any sort of a knowledge of my

feeling about uh ska and like punk culture and music in general is like i wonder if people who are really into sports and like fantasy sports that's me i'm not i'm not i'm not into fantasy sports but i'm really into sports you're really into sports and how old are you is that something you're allowed to is that a secret oh i couldn't say yeah i'm 38 years old you're 38 we're the same age so maybe okay that's perfect do you find that at this age in your life? I mean, maybe you never did it as a job too. I was like a music journalist for like 15 years. I find that at this age, I'm like, I really wish I had never paid any attention to me. I wish I had some other, I wish I knew like stats about musician or about soccer players or anything. I wish I had any other information in my brain other than having to constantly think about music which i haven't enjoyed doing for at least a

decade but it's just it's the only thing i know i think i feel that way more about comedy from doing comedy i feel that way about that um just like being constantly around like people telling jokes all the time like shitty jokes constantly but no i'm i'm pretty i don't know sports maybe sports is just better than music because i have watched sports since i was a kid and i have no regrets baby it is still i'm still going strong i love it it's a i look forward to it it lifts me up i've actually as an adult i've gotten a lot better because i i get so excited about the highs and then the lows i don't let lot better because i i get so excited about the highs and then the lows i don't let them stick with me i get like bummed out for like 15 minutes and i

move on with my life oh my god see i see for me it's just all uh so my feeling is i have a lot of context for music so you're a music journalist so you would you would have you know but come on let's not you're the expert here yeah i mean somewhat but i think i i mean i have a lot to say about ska today but the main reason that i know about ska is through uh christian music and stuff so i want to talk about jesus be with you it's too early to get into christian ska we need to start with the basics but yeah so i think normally somebody would say in with you as well but that's cool so i gotta say this this is for the beginning this is the extent of my scar coming up right like

as a kid or anything like that when i was in my 20s i was in a band for whoa whoa whoa whoa hey uh second hang on a second how much have you talked about this is this a well-known thing not really i don't i i talked about it maybe a few times on the other show and okay what um what kind of a band and what what instrument did you play first of all you know i didn't play an instrument i just sang and i wasn't like very wait wait wait wait why why would i know that because i don't have any of the like stick-to-itiveness to learn an instrument you know what i mean like i could never learn to play guitar i tried and it was just and like i would sit down and it was just like i'll never learn this i just want to learn how to play pantera songs i've talked about that I went to guitar lessons for about six months

And I just He was like let me teach you the scales and I was like Why don't you just teach me how to play Pantera So I can write Pantera songs You know what I mean They were trying to explain to you You have to get the foundation And then you can do

All of the songs and you can start Figuring them out that's not it doesn't work like that it's a really bad way to go about it you have your head in the wrong place here but but hang on so you were the singer was it like a what type of singing were you doing so here's the thing all of the other guys in the band were into like pop punk and ska okay stuff like that and i people know what i was into i was into like heavy fucking metal like like pantera uh pantera metal corn death like corn's not really hard like a hard metal but that's all i like though you know what i mean i wasn't open-minded to anything else.

So there was maybe a clash a little bit there. But my point being, what type of vocals? Were you doing really melodic shit? Were you doing scream vocals? Well, and here's why I brought it up. They were playing ska music and you were doing scream vocals over it. Here's why I brought it up. They were playing ska music and you were doing scream vocals over it. Here's why I brought it up. It's happened.

There's things like that. True, true. Now, I mean, there's fusion of every type of music nowadays. Yeah. So here's why I brought it up. We only did covers. We didn't get any music written. Fair enough.

And, you know, we did take Downfall by Trust Company, a heavier version of Disarm by the Smashing Pumpkins, and then a couple other... What was this band called? No name. No fucking name. You guys didn't get that far.

We couldn't fucking agree on a name because I wanted something badass. And they wanted... How did you end up in a band with these? They were just your friends. They're also Republicans, too. But we were doing a cover of Take On Me. The real big fish version of Take On Me.

And they had me singing it. And I would get to the part where I thought it should be heavy and i would start screaming it and they'd be like can you take it down like 10 notches because this isn't like that kind of song so that was all of my sky experience before i just we quit we quit practicing because i wasn't a good singer and also because uh i don't think we really liked each other at all we just all wanted to be in a band yeah because if you do like each other then it's like whatever who cares if like it kind of sucks just hanging out we're drinking some brewskis smoking a little bit of weed perhaps i don't know at that time oh yeah i forgot we're

talking about brian huffing huffing huffing some crazy anyways you're huffing with your friends you're having a good time you know um and then and then so it doesn't really matter the music is sort of secondary and if it works out it works out but you have to hate each other and you're not good then what the fuck are you even doing so but did you did they have a horn section no no, no, no, no. Here, listen, everybody. This is an expert opinion. It sounds like you were just standing beside someone who was aware of what Ska was. And that's how you're turning it into this story of having been in Ska fans. Well, we covered the Real Big Fish version of A-Ha's take on it.

Oh, I see. Okay. I knew that we were doing that version, but I wasn't singing it right. I wasn't singing it like Real Big Fish. So the only band I really knew about from Ska was Real Big Fish, which to my surprise, I find out when I go to the Ska subreddit. I'll just read this one real quick. You, Llamas What, says Ska fans that don't like real big fish. What are your reasons?

And he goes, I'm open to any responses here. I'm curious as I am just getting deep into Ska, and I know there's a lot of good stuff out there, but there's also a lot of ridiculous Ska Puritans, hence why Streetlight Manifesto has been bashed a lot. What are your reasons for disliking real big fish? I'm quite curious. So I just came for disliking real big fish i'm quite curious so yes so i just came back but real big fish hate happening is this the post about it being the

family guy of well now that's one of the answers we're gonna get here's the first answer by a white boy day he goes they're the quote family guy of ska music playing music forever. And it's the same mindless garbage week in and week out. However, it's fun and entertaining. So I put up with it. So White Point does like them, but also wanted to insult them a little bit. But so, OK, let's let's just talk real quick. So there's real big quick is what i'm going to say for my segue right now as you mentioned there are three waves of ska much like artisanal coffee

although i think we're still we're not the fourth wave of coffee i think almost espresso tonic probably yeah it's what i might say yeah it's guys on its way fourth wave sky people debate that everyone everyone agrees that there's three waves the first two waves are like kind of boring like uh you know musicologist rolling stone list kind of it's like reggae it's you know someone's gonna freak out about me being dismissive of it but it's because the problem with being a music journalism journalist and being me is i don't want to learn anything or pay attention or remember dates or anything like that. So that's like the specials, stuff like that.

Third Wave Scott is obviously THPS, Goldfinger. What's THPS? Tony Hawk Pro Skater, bro. Come on, man. Come on. What? PS. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater, bro. Come on, man.

Come on. The Tony Hawk soundtrack, the Real Big Fish. What do you mean? Tony Hawk Pro Skater soundtrack was all Ska? There's a bunch of Ska on there, yeah. That's

how a lot of people discovered Ska. And because of that, it has become, I think it was like an early meme in a way of like late 90s into 2000s into you know the rise of like music memes people love to talk about how ska sounds like you see some shit like ska sounds like the feeling of holding an n64 controller while you're eating mozzarella sticks or like i don't know some shit like that people loved that aspect and that's where basically all the fighting comes from because there's the lowbrow ska the tony hawk pro skater soundtrack real big fish all the christian ska i want to talk about at some point and then there's

like people who are like no ska actually has this long history of being protest music and it has jamaican roots and it's uh this highbrow thing those two poor reggae by the way for people that don't know that that are just listening and brian just said that off the dome i didn't even yeah i didn't read that anywhere i got it told to be four thousand times what i what i think is what i think is interesting about the ska problem if you will obviously people love to say uh ska puns there's like nobody i people don't even this is the thing that i find about ska is i don't fucking think about it ever i don't i don't have it it doesn't have any i don't i don't see it you're lucky that's what it's but it's not in like the main culture at all i feel like it is if you're in a punk part of it though like i never listened to a lot of punk until

i started doing street fight and i once like one you know because people were like oh yeah you you're like oh you guys you know you guys are punk or whatever and i once like one you know because people were like oh yeah you you're like oh you guys you know you guys are punk or whatever and we would like so i got into it and started listening to it i i didn't even know i was doing ska when i was doing that take on me cover because i didn't know what it was it was so but once you have a working knowledge of any sort of punk, you'll, Scott's there. It's like band geek.

Yeah. It's, and, and, and it becomes the punchline early on because it's the dancing is called skanking. So people dress stupid. It sounds really dumb with all the horns and everything. Yeah.

I don't know. Stupid names too. They have stupid names. A lot of the times you know what i mean like a lot of the bands have stupid names even comparatively to other exactly of music yeah well here's lansdowne street that replied to the he goes there he's replying to their the family guy of ska music and he goes i'm glad you put it this way so i could start with something i hate about the internet family guy is the same every week

and never changes so the internet tends to dislike is the same every week and never changes, so the internet tends to dislike it now. The Simpsons changed and isn't like it used to be, so the internet tends to dislike it now. Basically, the point is stick around long enough and people will find a reason to hate you. But then a person replies and says, I think a real big fish is always sunny in Philadelphia.

Oh, I don't understand that what that is what got me got me thinking well real big fish are prominently in the movie basketball uh yeah and i mean that's a great flag oh they are they play at the game yeah they do yeah yeah that's what i thought i recognized yeah that's where they're from to me, I think. But nowhere else. I tried to look up some of their songs. I didn't recognize any of them. I don't know.

There's got to be some Ska songs I know, right? I mean, even I would say the band No Doubt is Ska. Oh, yeah. But you know what I mean? Not like a band that has done S ska albums or has made ska songs like rancid or whatever but a band that is like considered to be 100 of ska band like the big ones you know oh mighty mighty busstones is like the biggest i know that's what i'm saying and i don't fucking i looked up their songs and i don't recognize a single fucking one of them

that i get yeah well i'll tell you what they broke up because of the vaccine yeah the lead singer of the mighty mighty bostones is actually doing some really interesting stuff these days and a band with a bunch of anti-vaxxers that got kicked out of their face oh that's kind of cool that's anti-vaxxer that's actually it is hold on i got it right here he has uh pete parada former drummer of the offspring That's kind of cool. That's anti-vax. That's super cool. That is actually pretty sick. It is. Hold on. I got it right here. He has Pete Parada, former drummer of The Offspring, Dickie Barrett, former singer of the Mighty Mighty Boss Tones.

They also got Tim Pool in there somehow. Wait, he's in the band? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hang on. What? He's associated with the band. hang on he's associated with the band like he plays so pete parada former drummer of offspring plays in tim pool's band so he knows tim pool then tim pool had the defiant one they're called the defiance he had them on the show and that's what got them out to people and then you know you read their comments

on their song i listened to the song and i gotta tell you it doesn't sound any different than any other sky i've ever listened to well scott is very right wing actually third wave scott i you know the thing is because i guess the spaces that i exist in i am scared that someone's gonna scold me if i don't say no nobody nobody gives a fuck you should hear the out of pocket should i say every single week i know i know i yeah they're not gonna listen to the show guys but i that the core tension of ska is that it used to be protest music and then it became mozzarella stick music and now it's kind of like revitalizing as like like sort of post dirtbag left kind of like like a lot of like trans people

are playing in ska bands now. There's a lot of like very liberation. They're returning to the like political side of it, but they still obviously love N64. So there's kind of this tension in the ska community. And I think it's almost the opposite of what happened with like nu metal or emo. Cause like nu metal and emo are both,

well, especially emo is like something people used to take seriously and then it became a punchline and then everyone was like let people enjoy things and new metal similarly came back because everyone's like let people enjoy things i think they let people enjoy things too much with ska in the 90s and 2000s and now they're like we need to we need to become more serious so there's that's why there's fighting about ska all the time it's interesting so we can look into this thing uh that i read uh the question of the thread is what does current ska need more of or less of so now we're talking about a state of the genre conversation that's happening so we can definitely need more of what is any more or less of i would say in my opinion more horns please i want all i kind of i kind of love the horns yeah

they gotta get rid of the fucking guitar and the drums and the bass and all the vocals and the fucking shit just horns just horns i just want to hear the horn they should have a funny like horny guy's name you know what i mean oh yeah totally yeah i'm not sure so let's look at chedward cool cat who who responded to this question it says more dancing at shows i'm getting older and i'm not as fleet of foot but not seeing as much pitting moshing or skanking just a lot of standing and slow head bobbing see that's what that's exactly what i'm talking about when i say like i wish i had picked a different path in life like being 38 and reading someone my own age's opinion about what's happening at shows like you shouldn't be going like just you should be paying your mortgage or like work on your tax like do anything other than being like more dancing at

shows like i feel what if i was singing what if i was singing and i had a whole backing group of all horns and they were just horns and i was a singer and i had like a you know whatever they wear like a lounge suit or something like that. It's like black and white checkered. Yeah. And I, so I, I, I'm wearing that and I got like the fucking real cool look at my name is, my name is Rock Hard and the All Horned Up Orchestra.

Okay. See, you didn't learn the foundation. You didn't learn the fundamentals. That's, you've just started a swing band right there, my friend. Yeah. Well, guess what? Yeah.

Well, yeah, we'll have sex with other bands if it comes down to it but i don't know what that has to do with anything i hope the playrooms are nice yeah i hope that the green playrooms are nice that's where you're backstage before and you have sex with the other man uh sophiska said i find it so funny to see footage of US shows because everyone has just sort of stood there like they're waiting for a bus. Well, if it's just a photo, if it's just a photo, you can't see movement. That is true. Can't see movement. Everyone looks stationary in a photo.

So UK shows definitely seem to have more movement on the whole. It's more swinger talk. Unnecessary Appeal says, Ska needs to be less obsessed with horns Excuse me? Whoa What? Adding horns to music doesn't make it Ska And music can be Ska without horns

No it isn't That said Horns done well are great It's definitely part of what got me into Ska There you go you're you're denying the impact of horns you idiot you're trying to sound all cool but at the end of the day you know you love the horns and that's why you love ska you fucking liar you poser that's a poser post-modernism makes me sick anything can just be ska what that's exactly it well can i tell you about uh so i think that christians at least when i was growing up were the best

at the corniest genres because like the best metalcore band of all time probably under oath if you ask someone who's into that kind of shit there's probably other examples too and some of them are ska uh there's this band called the oc supertones and they are so bad they have tons of rapping and tons of ska and they always do like ska version of metallica songs to introduce their their song so i don't know if you want to check out the song supertone strike back uh i would highly recommend it. There's rapping, and then there was a band called Five Iron Frenzy who were actually very sick, and they did F-I-F

in the Nine Inch Nails logo. Hang on, hang on. Could you slow down? I'm just writing this down on my list of bands to never listen to. You should. Well, let's look into this. Slopduck says, more ska, less attitude that one's viewpoint is the only correct one. And now, this is one I have for, this is for Josiah.

This is straight for you. Welcome Home replies and says, that's why I have an issue with SkaToon Network. They gatekeep like there is no tomorrow. Oh, you like ex-popular band they aren't ska if i was an outsider i would be turned off to ska so quickly if i watched one of their videos what is that is that a famous youtuber yeah yeah so if i could just finish real quick my path because i did plan out a whole path so christians were doing ska very well then a bunch of right-wing people and Republicans and also Mormons got into ska.

The Aquabats, that's Travis Barker's first band. I didn't know they were Mormons. They became Yo Gabba Gabba. They're Mormon, other than Travis. Way. And then actually Dan Reynolds from Imagine Dragons. I have a secret. Dan Reynolds only sent it to me.

His childhood ska band was a mormon ska band called super ted i have the song here it's called boot to the head i don't know if you have a way of playing it or not but uh you if you have it if you send it in the chat i can definitely do that i can play you a little bit of it because so he did our podcast a long time ago and uh because i was making fun of him and he got he got hurt feelings and then he came on the show and became friends but he told me about this band called super ted and then he sent me the tracks after like no one's ever heard this except for on the blink of this is the imagine dragons guy this is the guy from imagine dragons the very the very start i don't know if you can make out the lyrics but it says he says something about people who vote for a democrat should get a boot to the head okay let's hear it

that sucks yeah he i mean he's like obviously uh he's not i don't think he's a republican anymore he's pretty uh he's gone woke imagine dragons have gone woke so oh super ted uh so i think yeah there was kind of this like anti-democrat uh pro-republican vibe and then oscar isaac was in a ska band i don't know if you know that as well i did i saw that and he's like a big einrand head right like i think there was kind of a third wave ska really plugged into some some right-brained shit and i think that's where kind of the new era of woke ska comes in and jeremy from scottu network so scottu network is a very popular youtube channel that takes pop songs and makes them ska um and like it was really fun when it first came out i think and then it just continued

for many years and i think a lot of people started getting bummed out but it's like ska versions of of good charlotte or chumbawamba or vanessa carlton um but then jeremy also joined a ska band called we are the union and they i think they like toured with eve six or something but it's got like the my favorite it's probably my favorite merch that's what the twitter account eve six yeah yeah exactly oh sick but this band we are the union has a a shirt i just linked it to you or i guess the banner around a shirt and it says nazi pops heck off so it's really gone fully into a youtuber like uwu kind of online stuff so so at the same time uh jeremy from scott to network has this nazi pups hack off shirt is also i think considered like a yeah kind of a gatekeeper of

by some people like jeremy will be like talk about like what ska means all the time it's kind of the mouthpiece of ska but also nazi pups heck off and does the ska. I do not like this, but I'm going to save this and make it. The album artwork. Yeah. Here, here, Vegas Coaster says, don't think I've seen them gatekeep ska. Any videos in particular to watch?

I've seen them be more on the gates open. Everyone come inside, or at least more than I am from what I've seen. And then A's the Great says exactly what a seen person should, and everybody should know this. Ska is a defined thing. If it's not Ska, it's just not. That's not a value judgment, and it's not gatekeeping to ensure that people use the right words. So I have a question about that for Chris, because you are not aware of ska. I mean, I'm aware of it. I'm aware of the horns.

Yeah, I'm aware of the song you played earlier that was like, oh, vote for Democrat, boot in the head. I don't even know that it was a ska. I didn hear any horns wait a minute there was definitely horns oh i didn't it's also it's the up picking guitar is the other thing no but what i need see what i need the horns to be much louder than the vocals and everything else and they need to be so prominent you know that like you know like that really fucking like her like this yeah i guess although one of the best horn things ever in my opinion is from a hip-hop song i think it's spotty oddy dope delicious it's outcast definitely maybe i think that's the song and it has uh the yeah the chorus of it is this incredible horn melody that I do truly

love. And if somebody, maybe they did, put it into a ska song, ooh, ooh, that would be hot. That's my question for you, though. You're kind of thankful, luckily, blissfully unaware of these ska waves.

It's not even blissfully. I make choices in my life. I made the right ones. You've made the right choices to be unaware of these it's not even like i make choices in my life so okay so you're right once you've made the right choices to be outside of these things basically every day of my life i see someone talking about gatekeeping in some form so how is that something that where are you my question my question is my question for you is do you have to do you ever see people talking about gatekeeping of any kind no of course do you even know what it is i'm familiar with it i guess but where would you see that like where would you it's my yeah it's my fault but wait no i'm asking you actually like where on twitter on twitter it's not even people i follow it's like some guy is a promoter and he's like oh the band

that just did the taco bell commercial and they're a hardcore band. If you don't like them, you're gatekeeping. Or then people are like, well, you're gatekeeping. Everyone's just calling each other gatekeeper as if it's the biggest cuss you could be called. Yeah, I'm on sports Twitter, and there's a lot of really nasty stuff being said, but it's not about gatekeeping. Yeah, it's probably about goalkeeping.

Oh, yeah. Oh, Andre Onana manchester united has just looked awful shout out to my footy heads out there what do you guys think about this uh this is a question that was asked on our sky he goes am i the only one that wonders if any of the kardashians have been introduced to ska because of travis ah that i do that is something i think about that's something that someone might like guy no name josiah might think about i wouldn I think about. That's something that someone, my guy, no name, Josiah, might think about. I wouldn't think about it, but I can't imagine him thinking about it one day. Oh, yeah, definitely.

Do you think that he ever talks to them about music at all? No. Well, you know, I mean, this is not about Scott, but Courtney was wearing one of his Cannibal Corpse shirts and the singer of Cannibal Corpse was beaking off about it and travis is like fuck you yeah she was cold she borrowed my hoodie who gives a shit and i don't know like that's the question i guess chris has someone who doesn't have to deal with the idea of gatekeeping do you think that for example someone should be able to name five songs of the shirt they're wearing or what if it's just a good shirt no you don't you shouldn't be you shouldn't have to be able to name any amount of i mean that that's yeah that's obviously if you're just walking around with a shirt on that doesn't happen jim you'd have to either be a celebrity getting your photo taken you're like name five under armor

yeah no but but the but like or at a concert or something like or i like at some sort of a like a record store some type of a place where people like that might exist. But otherwise, I don't think you a normal person would ever have to worry about that. Who gives a you know, no one would ever bother them with it. But no, I certainly don't think you should have to be able to name five songs to wear a shirt. seriously is really like concerned with that actually because like uh she she she like won't wear a shirt until she knows some of the songs like because i bought her she was like i really like the pixies so i bought her a pixie shirt but she had to make sure she knew like 10 songs before she'd wear it and uh same thing with the velvet underground she wears a velvet underground shirt now because she knows that she can answer five velvet underground songs i think

probably and we've mentioned you know brian star's 18 i think probably when i was 18 i maybe would have felt that same way i would say you know like i would maybe that that makes that makes sense and it would have you know but yeah i don't think now that matters to me. I think I probably wouldn't personally buy a shirt that wasn't a bed that I like a lot of the time. That's true. Mikey G358 says, nah, don't need them culture vaultering that as well. You'll see them wearing two-tone and Fred Perry all of a sudden to be edgy. Well, I don't.

Wait a second. Is that Proud Boys? I mean, that's the other. tone and fred perry all of a sudden to be edgy well i don't wait a second is that proud boys well i mean that's the other there's just there's we don't have time to get you caught up on all these things the proud boys are into ska the fred i mean fred perry was kind of like a punk thing before little gaby i didn't know that yeah i didn't know that yeah i did but i feel like i mean that's the thing. And here's the argument for gatekeeping is, like, there's all these waves of ska, and it's all confusing as hell.

So, like, you could be a Fred Perry, like, almost a skin, or you could be a N64 mozzarella stick guy and still be ska. So no wonder these people are all torn up and shred. I don't think the gatekeeping. And you can eat mozzarella sticks if you want they're good it doesn't necessarily for that actually sorry chris uh jay bar 2732 said oh i never i agree never would i want them to be in the scene but i do wonder if his wife has listened to any aqua bats songs. And Halflit Fluorescent says,

honestly, I think it would actually be really good for all the new tone adjacent bands. Bringing the newer bands to a wider and younger audience would do wonders for the visibility of modern ska bands. Now, I want to say this right now. The thing about ska that I almost like is their fucking insistence on, like, everything that comes out should be, that gets out of our community is good for Ska. Because there's been other things that we've covered on this show where, like, and especially with, like, a lot of punk and stuff like that.

Like, punk music, they try to keep it all in. I've talked about when I saw Korn in 1994, and then by 2001, I was like, these guys fucking suck because they were playing arenas. You know what I mean? So I do sort of like the idea that they're like, let's get, Hey, if we can get Scott to the people, man, we'll be back in a Scott paradise. It's true. I mean, they're all like that.

I feel, I feel like people who are into like any extreme kind of subculture niche genre of music kind of have this constant persecuted mindset. It's like, there's like a shit ton of people who like ska in the world you're fine you don't need it there's not going to be like a ska breaking point nothing is ever gonna nothing nothing and then you can just go back and listen to like music's like so re-listenable as well do you know what i mean like you're not gonna run you can just go and there's so much of it that's been made like around the world so it's like even if they stop making ska music you can still listen to ska for the rest of your life you think you can survive on a year with no new ska music oh buddy yeah no problem man i just go fucking i'd crack a boston's best of wait i actually i can i go back to a previous question because i actually just did

some research travis in 2019 put on a festival with john feldman from goldfinger called back to the beach in huntington state beach a bunch of ska bands played he reunited with the aquabats i think i can't remember now this was 2019 right after was when the dating courtney rumors first started okay so i don't think she i don't i there's a good chance because he hasn't talked about or interfaced with ska once since then he's gone back to just being like the rap drummer that's it well so there's a chance he's like oh he was like instead of being into ska i'm gonna have a girlfriend yeah well that's smart though crayon analyst says i've thought about this and i think it's a good thing why gatekeep the checkered flag sorry what's the check the checkered flag man they're like yeah it's just the black and

white checkers oh i see but the checkered flag is like the end of a race yeah that's a good point that is i don't know kim already helped to get some people pardoned which is a pretty cool thing to do in my opinion there's they're talking about that in there yeah i mean that's good though uh j bar 2732 says oh hell no i don't want to see ska themed kardashian products now oh no that would that's how oh yeah like signs that you're near the end of the world when you see a Ska Kardashian product. Yeah, did not have that on my bingo card. Yeah, no, that would be a certain side of the apocalypse.

No, that honestly though, what would make you think they would ever do that? Like how far would it have to go for them to start making ska products then he got him on data says i doubt travis barker listens to anything beyond radio rap these days which is i think that's a letdown to the ska community to tell you the truth and who knows what he listens to though i don't think that's true i I think he's a musician still. I think he probably listens to music, like, you know, older music and stuff that he likes.

Yeah. I, I think Travis is, I mean, I love I'm, I'm pro Travis all the way forever. Yeah. But,

um, I think just skies is pretty lame. Ultimately. I think, I think it's been a long journey culturally of just remembering that ska is pretty lame. Well, this person did ask, do we grow out of ska? Because I haven't. But I've seen jokes on TV like it's a phase.

Showed my friend, 22, some ska punk. And they said, it's not bad, but it's something a 12-year-old would listen to. Yeah, that's literally when I listen to Rancid or whatever. And that type of shit really hit for me when I was about 12 years old i was like really into it i was like oh fuck there's some fucking horns in this shit you know i was like really feeling that and then i got over it pretty quickly so that's you but do you think anyone who's really into anything ever grows out of it at all like really into it yeah because i wasn't because no one grows out of anything like it was my favorite like that rancid i listened to it on a cassette tape

and i remember like being on a bc ferry that's uh you know the ferry taking over to vancouver island and i remember listening to yeah you know i know i played the cowboy shooter game the arcade game yeah you know you've been on one of those before. Not you, Brian. I'm not talking to you. You don't know shit about what we're talking about. I know, exactly. It's gibberish to you, you American.

He tries to pretend to be Canadian. But yeah, I remember being like really into that. There's some sort of siren outside. But I remember being like so into it it was my favorite favorite music and i and i got over it like i started same with food fighters i thought they were so good and then i like something happened i was just like they're not good they're not actually good you developed a frontal cortex yeah i'm not sure what happened but yeah so i i but yeah i guess

if you're really if you become really obsessed and become like a guy like the people we're talking about i think that that's like a lifetime commitment to it in many cases yeah i think no offense to young youngers but i feel like he's calling my taste childish why does music have to have an age can someone tell me your ages and tell me how wrong my friend is haha um that means he's really gotten to i do think people should be shamed after a certain age i think you should be listening to scott in secret at this point if you're on a forum not using your real name talking to young people asking them their age and whether or not you're cool like that's already kind of sus that's already kind of not great yeah it's not a good start and also yeah some people can't like you're like oh you shouldn't be like you can't be listening to that like you can't be like 50 years old you're sure that like

like that stuff that's like actually but they are they proudly are that's the thing we haven't shamed them enough um well here's some unpopular opinions on uh this guy has kind of a racist name is alu snack bar nine well don't happen this guy this guy has kind of a racist name and then starts saying the name end order anything in it okay that's all don't say it do you think i was going that's how we know you're not canadian no noris or i said that we would probably get like a ticket yeah we'd be out of here we'd go to human rights tribunal tomorrow hey brian you you don't think we think you're canadian just because you're wearing that canadian brand stussy it was founded in vancouver first of all canadian brand uh no i'm just you know i know a lot about canada because

i you know it's like a second home to me well did you know that uh there's a christian ska band called uh well this is not something only chris would care about and he's just left so never mind oh uh unpopular or controversial ska opinions this guy goes mine is that i don't think third wave ska is that good it just doesn't sound right to me which is that's the stuff that the people that's the big thing this is the problem is like it's like a cultural it's like a katamari damacy thing where it's like there's too many different people in the conversation at once there's guys who like every wave of ska talking to each other and they shouldn't they shouldn't talk to each other and then it'll be fine you know this guy exactly it's the what people have said about like twitter was that like

this is every that you used to have these specialized boards uh wait do you mean x x yeah the website x oh sorry okay but there was there actually was fucking God damn it. There there used to be a punk message board that all of the Scott people went to. And I had the name in my head and I totally fucking forgot it. And it's gone now. So, like, I can probably find that, actually. But but it was like they were there talking about ska and waves and they were just like oh it's first wave oh it's third wave i don't think this should be happening i don't think this should happen you know what i mean and that was fine and it was normal it's when ska guys

are fucking on the same website as guys that like cannibal corpse or as guys that like fucking young thug that's where like they're rubbing up against each other and there might be some friction yeah that's true hey chris when you got up earlier i started telling a story that was just for you and oh sorry not it's the fucking you're probably not even gonna like it but now you have garbage man you have to pretend you have to pretend that okay let's hear it i already told half of it. When I was a teenager, there was a Christian ska band from somewhere in the lower mainland. That's around Vancouver. I grew up in Abbotsford.

That's by the way in Vancouver. Abbotsford is a very religious place. That's true. So this band was called Hocus Pocus and they had this ska song called I'm So Happy, Feeling Snappy. Something about that. Itian song and one time i saw them play at the cultist lake water slides whoa and that's all and i think water slides is a i've been there before many a time brian come on man brian you ever go to dusty's dino town always but once a year did you ever go to freddy's nope ah nice okay okay okay right and you're not bad you can't you can't fool me i'm the games master on this show you ever go to bonds off broadway maybe

oh bonds off broadway is a staple they still have this is absolutely true even in this economy with this fucking crazy inflation we're dealing with bonds off broadway has a two dollar 95 cent full breakfast that they still serve to this day. Shout out to Bonds Off Broadway. Disgusting. Absolutely wretched food. No, no, it's okay. I'm not even joking. It's okay.

I feel like... Everything other than the breakfast is... Who knows? I don't think I would get anything else. I remember having the breakfast and just spending a lot of time in that bathroom. Oh, well, you know, listen, man, that might have been other issues happening with your stomach you can't just be blaming it on bonds you know what i mean my flora i mean some people there are certain people who don't matter what they eat they'll fill the goddamn freaking bowl up we're not even talking about my shits anymore okay so what are here's another unpopular ska opinion from the reddit uh skanking

looks stupid that's true that's just what type of dancing is it can you do you've never seen skanking i've never seen this you've okay i'm gonna get some up on the screen yeah we gotta because i don't know what it looks like either it kind of looks like you're sort of doing a jaunty walk while standing still i think yeah here we go we're gonna look at skanking real quick because i don't know what it is you don't know what it is okay so you're no fucking idea here we go i don't know what it is if this guy when i hear when i hear skank the only thing i think of is the world famous skank fest comedy festival for the Legion or the Legion of Skanks podcast with Louis J. Gomez and Anthony Kumi is on there a lot.

All of my favorites. Maybe those guys are into ska. Actually, they probably are. They probably they may be there. Yeah, I'm not actually a fan of Legion of Skanks. Please. I just want to. Here's a skanking. Sounds like you are.

This song I recognize. That's because it's from THPS. I told you. Alright, here we go. I hate this music. Can I pause? No, no. This is the only song I know. Who's it by? Goldfinger. Oh, I know Goldfinger.

You've got too much of a meme type video. I mean, that's kind of skanking. You really need a kid in a fedora, like the one I just dropped in the chat, I think. Oh, a kid in a fedora. The problem is it's hard to tell if these guys are... They think that they're a meme too. You can't tell a meme from reality nowadays.

You know? I don't even know what skanking is. I thought I found skanking here. I got, you got a YouTube one of, oh, that's the one I was just playing. Here,

let's see. Let's see if they pick it up, pick it up, pick it up. That also is something that people kept telling me. Yeah, they say pick it up. And that's to do with,

because when you play a guitar chord in ska, you play on the upstroke. Oh, here we go. Here's different kinds of skanking here. But also on the dance floor. Yeah, this is the one I just sent you. But he's doing kind of memes with it too. But that's one.

That's the one I've seen, the skanking of of the circle i've seen that type of dancing okay i've seen that okay knickknacks here doing a knickknack so yeah that's it does look stupid makes you look foolish this guy was right like it's all it almost seems to be like that it's meant to seem like it almost seems like a jaunty kind of like silly kind of dancing i mean i think what kind of world are we in that that would be an unpopular opinion that it looks stupid that's what i don't understand here's one for you josiah i think this one might get some people though man uh it made everybody on the board mad it was very funny this guy slop duck makes people so mad all day most people here who like quote scott don't actually

like scott they like rock fusion music that's such a that's such a solid thing to say though you know what i mean you know you think you like scott but you actually like x fusion like you think you like x but you actually like x fusion that's just really a solid like music snob thing to say please note i'm not saying that it's a bad thing or that modern bands are terrible another great thing to say if you're a music snob yo i'm not even saying it's bad dude i'm not listening i'm not even what you like it's just fucking what it is dude it just is what it is you like rock fusion dude we all like rock fusion liz yeah i like it too there's some great songs man like a really good rock fusion, dude. We all like rock fusion. Yeah, I like it too. There's some great songs, man.

A really good rock fusion song. If you listen in, and they got a little bit of reggae fusion too. All kinds of different fusions. But at the end of the day, it's not fucking ska, dude. That's so good. What do people say to that?

Nobody responds to Slop Duck anymore because he's always telling people they don't really like ska. This is the thing about that exact music snob thing is like I don't know the answer at this point in time with gatekeeping because, for example, everyone wants everything to be punk. They want their shitty art to be punk. They want crypto to be punk. They want all kinds of music under the art to be punk they want crypto to be punk they want all kinds of music under the sun to be punk so and then some old guys like well you obviously don't actually like punk because punk is the sex pistols or whatever but he's he's right but like it's annoying to say oh exactly because i think it's not norm it's not cool or good to care at all unless there's some actual material reason for you and

your life for it to matter there's no there's no it's not a good thing to be like to even care what genre of music anything is you just fucking listen to music if you like it and enjoy it and like use it for what it's good for dance to it or you know skank if you want do whatever you want but the idea of that is like seems like just just yeah it's like that weird thing that fandom kind of thing where you're just like want to be a part of this community and feel a part of it in some way and feel superior to other people but it's fucking loser behavior and i'm sorry if you engage in it but it is gatekeeping is loser behavior the the thing i was thinking about like with the what there's this guy that's in this space on youtube the the punk scott his name's the punk rock mba i think he's older

than me first of all i know a lot about him he's a people hate his fucking guts i can't believe how much people hate him even the people that comment on his videos why i mean he's really nice he's a guy well see chris here's the problem i don't want to have a debate on guys with you we're having a nice time and i agree with you for the most part but the problem is with tiktok now and the punk rock mba is a perfect example i'll have a debate by the way i ain't afraid of a debate with yeah i don't i don't want to do it you're gonna you're gonna fucking you're gonna prank my ass i don't want to get my ass pranked by you he's a year older than me so there's all these people now who are like the punk rock mba doesn't even have a degree he just has some business books on his desk but they say these things they give you like a primer on a genre where it's like i'll get

you up to speed on the genre in six minutes and everything they say is like objectively incorrect and just like 100 wrong so then it's like i mean someone maybe gatekeeping is the wrong word, but like, I think he should be bullied. Oh, yeah. Maybe. Oh, I'm all for that type of targeted harassment. Is that what you're talking about? No, I believe that. Yeah.

Like, it's fun to, like, sort of be like, what's your fucking what are you talking about? You know, but I just would never personally. I might prank somebody like that for content. Well, his wife is also like a rising right wing YouTube grifter. OK, well, yeah. So I might, you know, I would like you might cross paths. I might trick them into coming on to my show for like to make fun of them or whatever. But I would never take what they said seriously, even when it comes to sports and stuff. But I would never take what they said seriously, even when it comes to sports and stuff.

You know, there's all kinds of people in sports who have terribly wrong opinions about things, you know, objectively wrong. And they're, you know, they like they're trolls, basically. Some of them are ex-players, they're pundits and stuff. But they recognize that, like they say things they, you know, make get clicks and shit. And it doesn't really bother me i never feel the need to like defend the position of like right what is right in football or what is right in basketball or something like that like it still seems kind of weird to me to like care at all about it no for you when you're a music journalist then yeah then i can see a reason why you would care about it genuinely yeah life it is like what you are doing it is also i think i like cool shit and i want more people to make cool shit

but i that means i don't want everyone to make that make it i want some people to i want some people to be left out but maybe in a nicer quieter way not in there yeah yeah yeah yeah like you're like i just want people to think i suck okay but but uh yeah the punk rock mba is like not even trolling he's kind of a fascinating guy because he just is like incredibly confident about everything yeah and he's he's very successful from it he's just like wrong about everything and everyone seems to hate him and yeah like that's a way to make a living nowadays man is to like just say a bunch of shit that's totally wrong and have a bunch of people hate you and subscribe

he also does like to hate you yeah that's like classic like you like all of his thumbnails are like him being like oh the cringe like like a cringe face or like yeah the uber driver oh the raw our friend rob our past past guest, Rob Wiseman. I want to get to this. I have a game, but we also have to talk about Slop Duck a little bit more here. This is a thread called something I've noticed about this sub. You've either got people just vibing, but he crosses that out and says skanking to whatever they like or very hardcore fans almost gatekeeping to the tune of i like what i like screw everything else slop duck uh so what happens is fat man redemption

says here's my hot take people who like ska punk have broader tastes you ever notice that for example you typically find someone who says oh yeah i like slap like Slapstick, Less Than Jake, Op Ivy, Kill Lincoln, etc. And I also like Hepcat, Slackers, Scatolites, Desmond Decker. Or you find somebody who says, no, all that stop-hunt garbage sucks. I only like stuff that's incredibly faithful

to the tenets of the first wave, plus also 60s reggae, and that's it. But you almost never find someone who says i only like suicide machines and we are the union all those jamaican artists and people influenced by them like west bound train or chris murray can just fuck off forever now we didn't know anything he said there but slop duck comes in he goes i recognize less than jake we are we are we are the union is the nazi pups heck off band as well if you were a nazi going to a ska concert and you saw a flag that said nazi pups heck off

literally fight them it wouldn't see notice how quickly brian responded when i said if you were a nazi he didn't even have to like spend any time he can get in the headspace i don't know he is okay okay slop duck says see that's the problem to lots of people maybe you maybe not you i have no idea have no real grasp of ska you just named three ska punk ska core bands that's a genre that's only vaguely related to the main ska sound oh god man like do you like the way it sounds do you like the way the music sounds does it make you feel good you dance to it why are you doing this if you don't do it for a living why are you doing this the way i've always broken this down is you have ska the stuff from j Jamaica. Then two-tone come along and mix ska and rock 50-50. So you're down to 50% Jamaican influence.

Then in America, some people took the two-tone sound and mixed it 50-50 with punk. So you're now down to 25% Jamaican influence. Oh, you're watering down your ska. It's like 23andMe with ska. This is a watered down type of music. Then younger people took the Scott Punk sound and mixed it 50-50 with hardcore.

So now you're at like 87.5% rock influence and 12.5% Jamaican influence. Can we get a math check? Is that right? Yeah, that's correct. Basically, Scott for many people has been reduced to uh up i don't want to say the way he said it because he's i don't think he was being racist but it just

doesn't sound like something i should say which sure the music might be great it might be incredibly awesome but does it still count as scott does that matter no it's not my mood i have a master's in library science so at my core that's not very surprising yeah okay yeah okay i'm starting to i'm starting to get it yeah this like sort of portrait is beginning to fill out of this gentleman that we're hearing from because i have a hard time reconciling the sound of those bands with what scott started as a jazzy pop dance music from the ghettos of a third world country um so yeah uh slop duck uh also says uh wait was that slop duck saying all that shit or no yeah that was original so slop duck i feel like is still somewhat open-minded like really fucking

annoying and petty but then also always caveating everything with like i mean i'm still cool with it all i'm like a fun hang still i know but that is not yeah like we talked about earlier that's that's what that's how those guys are it's it's not genuine a lot that those parts aren't genuine it's only to like further their position later or something they're like not happy for you that you like it no that's like a totally like they just know that saying that allows them to like be more he's i mean he's being he their criticism he's being passive aggressive i think yeah oh yeah he goes i'll let i'll never tell anybody what they should like if you don't dig the old music that's fine but i feel like every ska fan should listen to some of those 60s jamaican songs

and if not for enjoyment just for context and personal education see that's not why i listen to music yeah i don't like it it is you're good but i'm not like yeah i'm not like uh i'm not thinking of it in that way you know i'm not like a cult an anthropologist or whatever i'm not like studying you know i just want to enjoy it and listen to it sometimes i'll get angry and i'll listen to some music that helps to calm me down or something like that sometimes i'll like feel in a mood like i want to like dance i'll listen to some music sometimes i'll be playing video games i listen to a lot of ambient music like i listen to a lot of um hiroshi yoshimura and stuff like that so i i just think about if it sounds good and makes me feel good that's it again oh so let's see here i just got tax information uh it's so uh slop duck

says uh some people are very passionate about the music we've dedicated huge chunks of our lives to buying making and promoting the music we develop strong opinions about what we like and what is good not good about the scene in my opinion too much garbage music is let fly to support the scene. I'm sorry, but not all sky is good. Some of it is God awful, and I don't think that it helps to stifle any criticism. That's just an opinion, though. Not all sky is good. Wow.

That's a heavy drop. Yeah. Well, let's play a game. We got a game. We got the Ska name. I might kill you this time, Chris. Oh, he's going to destroy me because he actually knows all of the names of the Ska bands. I don't know any of them.

I might not. You never know. There's a few layups in here. Brian, you did better the last time we played a game because a couple of times brian was trying to make the games like a part of it and it was like really not flying you know as they were not hitting but the last one he did pretty good he had one particularly good clue that fooled both i and the guest uh beat on the on the episode and we were really quite impressed by it.

So let's see if he can keep it going, Brian. Here we go. Number one is a layup, I think, for everybody. Number one, is this a real or fake Ska name? Skanken Pickle. Skanken Pickle. Chris, you want to go first? Yeah, you go ahead.

I mean, I think that's... You can have it. It's got to be a fake one, because I'm thinking Pickle. He's throwing Pickle in there. He's pickle he's throwing pickle in there he's pickles phallic he's always thinking that way it's always on his mind um skank and pickle just sounds like something that he would say you know so it's a fake one josiah what do you think about this i think i gotta uh shut up i'm sure he's not listening but i gotta shut up my friend

matt day in Vancouver. We went to a show at Miss T's cabaret one time and he was wearing his skanking pickle shirt and he started waiting for the indie rock band and no one was into it. It was a real, real man. Skanking. Absolutely. I can like one of the bigger bands too.

I think it is. It's one of the biggest. I thought it was a layup because it sounded so ridiculous that there's no way it could ever be a band name that's why i thought you were saying it was a layup i'm not i was not doing a bit there skank and pickle chris you gotta love it gank and pickle number two question bim scala bim bim scala bim chris okay can you spell it b-i-m-s-k-a-l-a b-i-m bim scala bim it's so fucking stupid it's so is it like a reference to something do you know what i mean that i'm not that i don't

understand idea i'm just that's what i got okay bim scallop i think your dumb ass made this one josiah what do you think about bim scallop i guess the thing that's throwing me off is i don't even know how you would make that up. Because it's like so it's like speaking. It's like so absurd. Yeah, I think it's fake. I think it's fake. Oh, wow.

You both got it wrong. Wow. Bim Scalabim is a real scum. Bim Scalabim. I mean, we have so far Skank and pickle and bim scallop. Oh, shit. This is like classic ska, too. I should have.

Oh, okay. That makes sense, then. Is it from Jamaica? No, from Boston. Oh, okay. Pete ska party. P-I-Z-Z-S-K-A party. Pete ska party? Yeah yeah like pizza party but pizka party listen like but you spelled it p-i-z-z-s-k-a yeah pizka party so not pete like not the name pete

like pizza yeah pete's good i would say again, again, he's got to have made some of these fucking ones up. And this is, again, I got to say, this is a kind of dumbass shit that he would. I know Brian pretty well at this point. And in spite of my first two guesses, I would say this one's made up. I think it's made up, too. I think it's the kind of. This one's made up. I think it's made up too.

I think it's the kind of, first of all, my former boss, when I worked in a mailroom did moonlight as a DJ named Pete ska, like DJ Pete. This boomer in Calgary used to DJ. That's sick. But he just played the chicken dance.

I don't know why he had the two times. He didn't play. Maybe it's a Scott song. Actually. I don't know. Posted on the reddit i think it's fake because i think your spelling shows like a disrespect for puns and ska that is not real it was fake that one's fake the next one we have here the bruce lee band that's like so random as far as i'm concerned i'm trying to think here would brian try to

why would like maybe he saw a fucking bruce lee movie or he you know i mean he like saw some ad or like a post about bruce lee and he was just thinking about him but something tells me that's a real band because i think like people would really name their band that and some stupid ass people probably definitely would so i'm gonna guess real josiah yeah i i think so too and i think i'm pretty sure i've heard of them but i also think uh ska ska heads are like genre people you know like they have like mr t lunch boxes and like uh probably really into like kung fu and stuff you guys both got bruce lee the bruce lee band right they are a real band yeah i i knew

it you wouldn't you wouldn't have unless again unless one that i would make up i thought no i don't think so unless you would have to have again it would have to have just been front of mind for some reason otherwise why are you thinking about bruce lee that's right okay that's mike mike park from asian man records yeah that's oh yeah. Yeah, that's some real shit. The next band I have here is Spin Daddy Spin. That's a ska band called Spin Daddy Spin. What do you think, Chris? Spin Daddy Spin.

That one's a good one, I'm going to say. As far as I'm concerned, I'm not familiar with the name. So it is a good one. It seems like it could could be made up but it could be real as well i feel like you do like the idea of somebody calling somebody else daddy i know that why do you think that i'm gonna say that that is a real one, though. All right, Josiah, what do you think here? I think you've made another fatal error, one that Chris made earlier as well, thinking that Ska and Swing are interchangeable. I think the name is more Swing than Ska.

I'm going to say fake. You got it. Spin, Daddy, Spin is fake. Here's the next one we got here for everybody. If you're playing at home, it's four to two Josiah over Chris. Whatever. But Chris again. The Tolstoys.

The Tolstoys. The Tolstoys. The Tolstoys? Yeah, like the guy. Okay. I think. I don't even know who Tolstoy is. But what were you thinking when you made it up?

How dare you I think this is a real one Okay Yeah, I think it's real too, but I was joking And you're both wrong I got you that time The Tolstoys is a fake band name God, that feels good

Okay, the next one is The Porkers Okay, this brian's made this one up i mean there's definitely a band called the tolstoys but i don't think they're ska so i'll let it i'll let it fly and the porkers of brian again his mind is wandering elsewhere wandering out to the beaches of jamaica i believe he says oh ska music jamaica i wonder what else i could get while i'm over there listening to some ska music wonder if i could take a trip to a certain i'm not going to hedonism too don't every time you say if we could go five episodes and you obviously you are like you might say that but you're obviously going there like your life's destiny your purpose on

this earth is to go there that's the that's the only thing you're definitely gonna do in your life can you imagine that it's a the funniest photograph in the history of the world would be you nude at hedonism too yeah that would be very funny but it it is. I don't. I won't be nude anywhere. How about we both go to hedonism and take a photo? You fully clothed and me totally nude. Okay. And then we release an album. That's the cover.

Yeah. The Porkers. The Porkers. Yeah, I said it's fake because, again, I think you're. It's like that shirt that you had joe's eye oh the one so you but i mean that's if it's it is so stupid and sounds like a 90s shirt which makes me think that's why it's throwing me off because scott names are stupid i'm just gonna guess and say real the porkers is real fuck yes they'll name their bands just any old thing you know what i mean

next one we got three left prince buster prince buster chris do you think prince buster is real or this one this one is like sounds real but i'm gonna go against my instincts because they've been wrong almost every time and i'm say, this is a fake one. Can I ask you a question? Is it a, is it a, a stage name of a person or is it a band? And all I know right now,

Prince Buster. That's all I know. Prince Buster. He's not allowed to say that. I'm not allowed to say anything. I'm going to say real. That one's real. That one is actually real.

So, 62. You don't need to keep saying the score. It's over, man. Here comes the next one. There's two left. The scam. S-K-A-M. The scam.

The scam or just scam? The scam. Okay. S-K-A-M. Like ska with an M. That's a hard name I'm going to say that That is real

I'm going to say real too Just because I want to believe that there's some good in the world Nope it's fake I made that one up Here's the last one This might be a layup Rude boy Rasta dudes Rude boy Rasta dudes. Rude boy Rasta

dudes. That's fake. That's gotta be fake. It has to be. But wouldn't it be great if... Be the rude boy Rasta dudes that you want to see in the world. That's what I say. Well, that is

the real or fake game. i hope people had a good time uh chris is gonna get yelled at for making fun of skank and pickle because i've had it happen to me before because the guy that front skank and pickle is like a real like anti-racist like guy so when you get mad at skanking pickle people but i didn't i don't know anything about them so how can i how can people get but that's the thing about all the scott people is they're all like anti-racist and like woke and that's why they get away with like they're gonna get mad at me for thinking the name's stupid they have to know the name's stupid i've literally never heard a song before so i'm not making any judgment on the man or the music or anything like that chris i've been yelled at for making fun of skank

and pickle by saying i will never listen to a skanking pickle song okay fine you know what fuck it i think skanking pickle sucks i think the guy fucking sucks i think anybody who listens to it fucking sucks and fucking come after me i think anyone who listens to skanking pickle i hope i hope i hope somebody fucking, I hope. Oh yeah. I'll send you the logo real quick before we get out of here. Josiah, you got anything you want to plug?

No, I got nothing. I'm just chilling. Listen to guys. Listen to guys on. There you go, Chris. Look at that.

That's a, that's a hard logo. Yeah. It's a cool logo. The logo is cool. I'll admit it. I do like the logo. I thought'll admit it i do like the logo i thought i wasn't gonna like you want to apologize to the singer of skank and pickle no i in fact if the

name of the band and then we will apologize but it's the logo skank and pickle if you change the name of your band sir i will apologize if not i want a fist fight. Call it the Root Boy Rasta Dudes. That's what we want now. That's the name we're looking for. And that is the show. Go to patreon.com slash murderxbrian to get Guys Plus, Gut Shot, and whatever else we do. Next week is probably Foodies, I think. Unless something happens where we gotta move stuff around but

i think next week is foodies and then the week after that is rockabilly i hope that the one thing i hope on the foodies episode i hope we don't talk about fucking no shit ass pickles i hate everything to do with pickles fucking skank and pickles i'll beat the shit out of anyone who fucking likes that shit not talking about pickles and brian please on the rockabilly episode please do not read their racist usernames those ones are going to be really bad i will not i think and i'm not i i don't want to i hate saying it but i think brace is coming on to do that episode with me with me and chris so yeah that'll be really exciting he knows he knows the rockabilly guys and i do want to say that one thing that was kind of disappointing on this

episode was we barely talked about horns. Yeah. That's because they're not necessary to Scott. All right. Well, excuse me. Yeah.