Guys: With Bryan Quinby - Guys: Episode 39 - Audiophiles with Brynn Niebor

Episode Date: November 7, 2023

This was the most requested episode we have ever done so I gave it to you and I hope it meets your expectations because doing these more requested episodes freaks me out. We talked Bose, different hacks for getting better audio and we even checked in with the wives We needed a person that knows about the audiophile culture so we brought on Brynn Niebor on (https://twitter.com/kinematografi) from Beep Beep Lettuce and Stay Inside There is much more Chris at youtube.com/noteveashow and twitter.com/notevenashow and of course https://www.patreon.com/notevenashow And for more Guys content, streams and SHOCKTOBER: a deep dive into shock jocks you can click patreon.com/murderxbryan twitter.com/murderxbryan and twitch.tv/murderxbryan

welcome to guys a podcast about guys i am your host brian and with me i have mr bowes speaker himself chris james what's up chris that's that hurts because i have bowes headphones i don't know i'm looking at him i mean this guy's make listen i'm not i'm not an audiophile i do i also have sennheiser um no highs no lows must be bows okay so i did not realize that this was going to be something i was going to be immediately made fun of about how i'm like i'm here for an intervention no yeah they weren't fine they weren't fine they weren't fine it's you know what bo stands for bryn They work fine. They work fine.

You know what Bose stands for, Bryn? Buying overpriced stereo equipment. That's correct. Okay, listen, that is correct. That is correct. I agree. I did. I will say, the only reason that I bought these headphones is because they were massively marked down.

Like, they were on sale. And so they were about $200 off what the normal price was so they were only like 200 and something dollars so i didn't but i i agree i'm not gonna get bows next time okay i'm gonna get more than you should have spent with those bows well you don't even know i'll listen to it from brin but i ain't gonna listen to it from your ass because you've got no clue why they're good or bad. No highs, no lows. It's all mids. It's all mids. And you know what the worst thing to be now is?

Mid. Yep. I'm using wonderful corded Apple ear pods. They're called ear pods. Yeah. So air pods are bad because i have those as well and yes they're not great but you know i i only spent a hundred and something dollars for mine i didn't you know buy the bows actually i'm going to tell the truth i'm going to come clean i have both speakers in my uh in my thank you i appreciate i appreciate you admitting to that and i have a question now

someone's going to be ready can we do a proper introduction yeah yeah yeah let's we have from beep beep lettuce and stay inside bren nebor what's up bren hi uh nothing so we got you're a musician you're in a band stay inside that's right stay inside music on twitter so you actually probably run into audiophiles i actually i don't want to start with this actually are you an audiophile uh no not at all yeah so. So one thing that some people may not know about me, my job is an electrical engineer and I work in synthesizers. Whoa. So it's not just in my band, but in work,

I often travel to synthesizer and music conventions. So I run into the craziest people who are audiophiles. And I've listened to and used many audiophile equipments and products. And I don't, I am not one. It's funny because like I listen to music that audiophiles probably would never want to listen to anyway. Sure. Well, is what I thought. Because I like a lot of garage rock, which is just the worst sounding stuff you can possibly hear.

But I love it. It sounds good to me. But I listen to a lot of that. And as I started to look into audioph files, I found out that they actually believe what they believe that they're doing is getting as close as possible to the live music experience, like sitting in a room with a musician playing music. And they're not, they're not anywhere near that. I think that would be hard to get to

yeah that does it feels strange to be trying that i didn't think of it that way i thought they were just trying to like get the best sound but i guess what is the best sound it's not a live music when i want to be clear they're not talking about like a live music experience like where you go to a venue and see the band they think that sounds like shit they're fucking actually talking about sitting where they record the albums when they're recording the album yeah that's that's what i've heard the most is that people say this sounds the like the purest expression of what they meant you to hear yes but that's not even true right like it can't be true no because they understand most people are listening to it in a different way than that so i don't you're a musician so you know but yeah i guess you'd have to take that in consideration

because the process of mastering is changing things digitally anyway and oftentimes people master specifically for like spotify or itunes or you know there's a different mastering process for vinyl than there is for the internet so it's like what was the intention if not to be listened to on normal headphones by like i we record we mix our albums specifically in mind that people are going to play it on their cell phone out loud that's like almost that like my daughter i i you know i i have a 19 year old daughter and like uh i know how they listen to music and these audiophiles it might be i thought i could say it's like a dying thing but anywhere where there's a bunch anywhere where somebody has a bunch of money they're 100 going to be because i saw like a frat boy with this like he a frat kid that had his act the the

fucking course by sign in the like everything that you would tie with scarface poster yes yeah he had a fucking ten thousand dollar system and he was like how do you like my starter system which drives me that drove me up the fucking wall seeing some guy be like hey what can i get for a good hi-fi starter system and they're like you could probably get one for three to five thousand dollars that's not starter anything that's an absurd amount to spend on any amount of yeah totally you would have to be so like i'd have to be so into something to drop that amount of money on it already and that so that a system is like just speak a speaker system that's like a surround like what what are they talking so you'd be surprised because there is the audio because it's funny we're making fun of you for wearing

bow's headphones but like that is in audio fire world considered bottom tier like that's worse shit yeah that's not but i mean even like that's like down there with sony panasonic like whatever they don't care yeah like the stuff that is considered like real is like audis and warwick um and warwick has i'm just i was just trying to remember one that i tried at a super booth in Berlin. He let me listen to music through this. It's literally just a headphone amp and headphones, and it costs $36,000.

That's the amp thing is the thing. I have a friend who... Did it sound good? It sounded great but i mean like i don't know if i could really tell the like there was noticeable differences in certain things but it's like okay so like yeah you have to be so rich for that to be sorry brian what you're saying you you're what were you no no i have a friend who bought like a hi-fi system he's he's got i mean this dude has like real money right and he bought like speakers and he got the record player in the amp and when he was telling me about it he was like yeah this is all together

probably about 1500 bucks and i was like wow what you're fucking crazy dude you're like dude you know you don't watch fucking lego you can get with that what are you spending your money on that for yeah you can get a record player you could get a lego record player for that price i am building a grand piano right now a lego grand piano currently but really yeah brian's a lego guy i know but is it it's not big it's not it's full size grand piano size to scale yes you can play it it has like it's playable well it is you can hook your ipad up to it and it'll play songs like a player piano oh it's like a little midi keyboard yeah it's cool but so cool i thought 1500 was just like

so crazy because my stereo system is bows which i bragged about for a number of years which i was so embarrassed when i started reading the boards because like my dad is i don't know if he's an audiophile we kind of talked about him on the prog episode too he kind of is like he doesn't like any of the music I like like it was when he heard Korn the first time the first Korn album right when you're young yeah yeah when I was like 15 when I got the first Korn album and anybody who's listened to it sounds bad like they really did a bad job recording that album it was the guy that it was ross robinson's first album so like he was recording for the first time and it just sounds really bad and my dad like gave me fucking like he was so disappointed

in me for like listening to something that sounds that bad and the only two or there's been two or three times he's looked at me that way one when he found out i watch wrestling and then the other one when he found out i listen to country music like those those three things the listen if he found out you watch fucking aew as well not even like the the good one but is your dad like a like an npr liberal guy no actually he's not even that right like he is because he kind of said but yeah he's like an estate an estate he wants to be that like okay my stepmom used to like we used to get in legit trouble when we were like 10 11 or 12 for saying ain't because they said it's a hillbilly word and we would like have to like stay home for a day like be grounded if we said ain't

like they were very much about like why i've always said my parents act like rich people and i think they believe that they're rich in a way although he's 75 and he can't retire so I don't know why he would believe man but they believed in a way that they were like a stylish classic kind of thing so like with my dad you know the whole time he was into Pink Floyd he got way into Pink Floyd when he was a when he was a teenager and he was into like Floyd. He got way into Pink Floyd when he was a teenager. And he was into like a lot of that music that was specifically recorded to be played on like hi-fi systems. You know what I mean? So when you hear somebody listening to Korn or Punk or anything like that, it's just going to fucking drive them up the wall. And he could never understand why I like that.

drive him up the wall and he could never understand why i like that and all he would tell me is what you really need to do you listen to electric light orchestra on a bow's wave radio that is like the i that's the dream way of listening to music and he bought a bow's wave radio when we were growing up and he would play it really fucking loud i'm like i mean you know i guess that sounds good but i think it was just because it was a lot of treble like i just in my mind was like treble sounds clear to me and um so he was very he he was very into bow stuff and when my grandma died he had built her system for her so it was both speakers and like a receiver and and a record player and he was just like brian you want this and he gave it to me i didn't know it was crap but he gave it to me i haven't set up and and so the the time i've been reading about this audio file stuff

uh it it is kind of like wow okay so i use bows i use regular speaker wire like i don't use a 3500 speaker cable at all or or you know or even to them like a hundred dollar speaker cable is great i don't have a 350 power cable to plug my stereo in that's the stuff that really pisses me off that's just a scam yeah because there's no way that the actual components you know i mean because my thing is is like i feel like my ears are tuned enough in terms of working with electronics and and and music that when i have actually listened to like really good headphones and really good like headphone amplifiers, I can tell a very slight difference. Like there is something to be said about like fidelity and quality. But the idea of spending money on that for like the tiniest increase in quality is bizarre to me because it sounds fine already on like regular speakers.

It doesn't have the value. It doesn't have the value. And, you know, it doesn't improve it enough to make it worthwhile at all. No, not for me personally. I don't think it does for me. I don't think it does for i don't think there's a human that can hear it i i i don't i tied this to when i worked for the cable company when digital started when digital cable first came out people would buy an hd tv and they would say oh that that it's not clear enough it's definitely not a sometimes they would

get a tv and they'd get a whole system set up and then they'd bring everyone over for karaoke and then they'd sing with the truth brian was a cable guy like in the movie and he loves to talk he likes to compare it to the movie he's like every time he talks about it he's always like back when i was a stalker no he was oh yeah he was like he was the normal he was he's the normal guy in this in his scenario like he did have a scenario like that but he was the normal guy and he was the cable guy and he had a customer who was wild like the jim carrey kirk yeah it was matthew broderick but he goes so so like people So, like, people would call me to their house, and they would say, I spent $500 on these component cables, and it doesn't look HD. So what I would have to do, which is impossible.

It's digital. It only looks one way. It doesn't sort of go away. So what I would have to do is go out to the car and get the $8 component cables that we had. And I would plug them in and say, does that look any better? And he'd be like, is that your cords? And I'd be like, yeah. And you're like, ah, it doesn't look as good. Plug mine back in. And I would just plug mine back in and he'd be like, that's great. It looks good now and work. And I would just leave his cables behind the tv and just give him the eight dollar cable so that he would be convinced that that's what hd tv

looked like like it didn't look good enough and you would have to do that like 10 times a day right or to uh um surround sound system you would have to fucking tell somebody uh yeah you know uh those those 700 cables you bought uh well they're working really good i just had to plug them in tighter and just put something else there that they know it's so infuriating because it's just not how electricity works like as someone who understands how like digital and analog signals are sent it's like there either is a connection or a staticky connection or a not a connection like you know the the fidelity doesn't change based on the the material that the current is going through the voltage is going through so i have you have this insane thing pulled up i have one pulled up now i can't believe what this is it

what is it the power cable the price tag is this is not true this can't be true every time i see stuff like this i'm like that's like they wouldn't really take your money like it's must be it must be a mistake you could buy a car audio quest nrg dragon high current AC power cable, two meters, and it's $9,800 for this. And somebody told me that somebody on one of the other sites said that you will pay. They have like these that are like $2,000 more because they put arrows on the cable to show which direction the current goes yeah you gotta pay that arrow premium you gotta pay that arrow premium otherwise you're yeah you're plugging it in one way and what the hell you know it's a grounded just to be clear it's an i grounded iec cable like it's just a plug that you put in the wall and people buy them that can't matter at all

it doesn't have a regulator on it is that doesn't plug in like uh uh like what is that to plug in as for someone really really stupid because that's just for that's for an amp okay so that's a plug for an amp that's okay and it costs it costs $10,000. It does. $10,000. Okay. Here's the AudioQuest. I'm going to share one here off of eBay that I had found earlier today. This is the AudioQuest Diamond USB A to B cable, and it is $1,549. Fuck off.

That's a USB cable. Yes. I know those. They're literally universally standard. There can't be anything different about them. That is

completely... These AudioQuest people are disgusting. Who are these AudioQuest people? That is almost considered a scam, right? A lot of audio files on Reddit really did say like, somebody, they were like, somebody needs to step in. Because most of them don't generally fall for this.

They think, they're like, cables don't mean. You know, there was a period i think where cables meant a lot to people but generally they're like the cable thing where they're a thousand dollars is a scam or ten thousand dollars is a scam but there are people obviously who buy those cables very much that's what i was gonna say that there's two there's two things going on there's audiophile guys and then there's marks and like those two people are different because they're the audiophile guys are the people who don't actually use that stuff but sell it yes and then there's the idiots with too much money that are just like well i guess i need a good sound system and i want the

best and i'm a bazillionaire so i'll buy whatever you sell me yeah so that's not so bad now that i think of it if if they're now i'm okay kind of with them charging ten thousand dollars because like actually it's normal person yeah yeah exactly it would only be like a super rich dickhead who hasn't done any research and yeah, whatever, take their money. I will say, I, I actually talking to you with a very expensive, for me, this was very expensive.

This is an XLR cable. That's like Kevlar. Wow. Um, and I bought it at a music convention at NAMM in, in Los Angeles. Um, because every XLR cable I have, I podcast a lot, kept breaking. Like eventually the microphone would start sounding like clicky because it would like lose connection.

And I also, you know, I'm in a band and I tour. you know i'm in a band and i tour so i was like they had these things where they like they hand wire them and then hand wrap them and make them so that they don't break so that's not even really they had they make no claims on whether they are better quality sounding they're just like this won't break this has a practical application i spent like a hundred dollars on this cable so it doesn't break so i'm this i'm about a year in with this cable and it's been fine so hopefully it's worth it but i won't know for another year or two there are a couple of things i wanted to hit early on to let you know some of the audiophile mindset i'm going to start with uh the marker trick for cds why does it work when you color the outer ring of a cd with a marker the sound is improved you color it green actually and they do sell the green marker that you can color the outer rim of your cd sorry i'm not familiar with

this i've never heard i've definitely never heard of this before that that definitely seems like something that somebody would post like on reddit as a troll or something on a different site but uh it is everywhere you can find this everywhere yeah yeah i know i'm just saying it sounds like that i believe you i believe you yeah why does this work what exactly does covering the edge of the disc do that makes the sound change is there a name for this i couldn't search this without a name when my friend told me about this almost 15 years ago, he said that you use a green marker. I use a black one because it is handy. Does the color of the marker make any difference? By the way, I found out you have to use a thick flat marker so you don't slip and write on the disc. Luckily, I only wrote on the top ah that's good

yeah when it when it slips god you want to hope it slips on the top you know yes yes um not on the music part no you can't have that you can't have that music part god this is this is unlocking something my brain i feel like i've seen someone do this in maybe a video or something i've i feel like now as you started saying it i feel like i've just seen a this in maybe a video or something. I feel like now, as you started saying it, I feel like I've just seen a CD that has green around. I've seen that before, but I was never sort of familiar with what it meant or what it was for. It stops what's called jitter, which is, I guess,

if the CD moves a little bit while it's on, it affects the sound quality of the CD moves a little bit while it's on, it affects the sound quality of the CD. Now, in a way that no normal person would ever think of or even notice, it's a thing that they probably went up to a guy and said, can you believe this jitter on this CD? And they're like, oh, that's what that is. Yeah, get me a green marker real quick. Because QWERTY answered and said, I thought a green pen around the inner and outer edges made a difference.

Admittedly, more of a difference in some cases than others. More bottom end, warmer sound, better soundstage. I was able to consistently be able to pick the modified CD in blind comparisons of two identical pressings of a disc testing himself no way they do that a lot testing himself like can you do it are you really are you really serious bad enough dude to hear the difference just like like so excited when he gets it how do you yeah so he goes he goes uh cd and blind comparisons of two identical pressings of a disc one modified any other not demonstrated on an audio file equipment not one comparison many comparisons of different discs on different equipment setups one setup used to compare discs at a time at a time though uh if

it was a psychological effect i don't believe that it would be possible to consistently pick the difference so he's even he's even like he's kind of saying like i know i seriously did like i know what you guys are thinking but no i really did this is the thing i feel like audiophiles i've met are usually very aware of like like they read about like what if i was making it up and i feel like it's one of the only like cult behavior type things that i've ever seen where it's so often talked about of like i know that my ears aren't good enough sometimes. Yes. So we have to all come together to convince ourselves of some of this. Yeah, it does feel like most people that are in it do realize how crazy it sounds to people from the outside.

from the outside and also maybe know that it's going to make zero percent of a difference to anybody except for you and even for you it's not making any difference you just think yourself you think they have self-doubt like do you think they have real self-doubt like yeah that's a big part of it that's really cool kind of i kind of like that but it's like every now and then sort of re-examining like am i just fucking is this just sound the exact fucking same you know like no no no i'm cool i'm cool it's funny because as someone who's really into music like you can't help but flirt with this at a certain point in your life like in my 20s i was like oh is there like a bunch of stuff i'm missing and i remember the very first thing that i did was that when uh james blake's first album do you remember james blake yeah people don't really talk about him anymore but like his first

album had these huge sub drops like like more than hip-hop at the time like really insane electronic music dance sub drops and i realized that when i heard them on like really good headphones and i realized i had not been hearing them like on my mac computer speakers and i was like well that's not good i didn't hear half of the fucking song that's a problem yeah that's unique good. I didn't hear half of the fucking song. That's a problem. Yeah. That's unique. Yeah. I definitely started down a rabbit hole of like,

well, am I hearing everything? I want to know that I'm hearing everything. But very quickly it becomes like just by the normal hundred dollar headphones, you'll hear all the things. It's hard for me to not fall into this. Oh, really?

Oh, my God. As I was reading stuff, I would like, I mean, it would be crazy not to buy a CD player. I don't even own any CDs at all. I don't have a single CD. But it was like, what if I bought a CD player? And then I would read some guys say like, well, you know, if you buy this Japanese cassette deck, it can sometimes sound better than digital.

And I was like, oh, man, I like cassettes. Maybe I'll buy this Japanese cassette deck. Like every time I read something, I went and searched for the price and thought about buying it. And I didn't do it yet, but I don't think I'm out of this. Yeah, don't talk like that. Brian, don't Brian. Brian, you listen to fucking

corn. You don't hear fine. That's that's the thing that that kind of put me off on becoming an audiophile was that I like a lot of shitty music too and like sometimes when you listen to something on audio file equipment it sounds worse yes like you can really hear how it's not not mixed for that it's not or it's not like meant for that at all right

you're supposed to listen to it on shitty ear like headphones or like you know a boom box and like it sounds grungy and fun but then when you can hear like the dead bass you know and like you know the really shrill trebles it's like ow this kind of hurts i don't want to listen to the cramps on audiophile equipment well he's like i've been surprised by the lack of support for this on this forum and hope i haven't blown all credibility here the explanation given at the time uh was the pen minimized the amount of stray light making it easier for the system to differentiate the pits making far more accurate reading and less error control i haven't marked the discs for many years though but this is more due to laziness hey that makes for your honesty thank you for your honesty

um pretty easy thing to do as well like it takes a while yeah it's very easy you're very lazy i guess yeah i couldn't i couldn't believe that but then what happened was somebody shared with me a peripheral for your CD player in the 90s where you could shave your CDs. And that was supposed to make it sound better. What do you mean by that? Like just really shave the outside of it? Like shave off part of it? Yes. Wouldn't you lose some of the data?

You don't lose the data it makes it sound better now okay so when so there is a part of the outside that doesn't have anything that's being read like i don't understand how a cd works i guess where is it being read off of actually on the flat part so it's like the laser is like a record yeah yeah but it's but okay but it is being read on the underside so you can't shave off too much of it. If you shaved off too much, you'd lose parts of the first song, I think. Actually, no, it reads from the inside out. Okay, so you'd lose parts of the end.

And it's only a little bit that you shave off. I brought it up on the screen. Oh, my God. It looks like, wow. So it's like an industrial machine that is in some sort of felt gray box. Yeah. What is it? You're supposed to shave it at a 36 degree level. I imagine shaving a CD.

I mean, this is absurd. When you find yourself just doing this. So it sounds slightly better. That's yourself like just doing this like and for what for so it sounds slightly better that's why you're doing this yes it reduces vibration improved audio and even help dvds play back better video so the video looks better on a tv so you're saying you shave a dvd and it looks better you can't yeah yeah that's $500 little piece of equipment. You can't get it now. Oh, that's weird. That's weird. There's not a bunch of different brands

of it now. I couldn't believe this one. This article is from 2022. Yes, people are still doing it. I did read the 36 degree uh bevel to act like a a light trap so uh but yeah that that is a the cd shaver i thought was an incredibly interesting that is it that's very interesting brian you had mentioned so so you're talking about cds and i think you tweeted this but i think we should cut so audiophiles listen

on cd over uh record or is it both well okay we're gonna get to some record stuff later but yes uh audiophiles would rather listen to a cd because it is the closest representation to digital is the closest representation you can get yeah okay and and also i mean it take forever to shave one of those big ass records you know so much more area to shave well it's funny too because the cd thing that's funny is like wow it would have been like 2000 when when the vinyl resurgence happened it was very much the other way around where people like it's got a warmer sound yeah what i ended up finding out is that audiophiles don't like so people would say that the vinyl had a better sound because of the crackles and the pops and

stuff like that it's like a warm analog sound. They want it all gone. And Bryn, you know about this, so I might as well just bring it up now. They buy these things called white-hot stampers. Super hot stampers. And what they are is, there is a guy

What the fuck, man? Just listen to the fucking songs. No, they can't do that. Buy a white hot stamper. White hot stamper. Super hot stamper here. This is one that you can buy. This guy, him and like five other people have this listening room.

And they go listen to records all the way through all day. And the best sounding ones they grade and then they sell them on better records where you can buy a super hot stamper what i'm showing right now is michael jackson thriller and it is 349.99 i don't know what you're talking about okay so so here's how it works so when you make a final record you you have to create a metal die cast and then you get a ball of vinyl and then you stamp it and that's how the record is produced and they make you know hundreds of them with the cast now in reality over time they change the cast because it will wear and then you won't get a quality stamp so what these people believe is that the first couple that they stamp are better quality

than like you know 10 20 100 i see so they they try to find the closest to when either they first changed the die and then it's like the first one from that batch and then they listen to it and they say this sounds much better. Are they doing it by ear? That's really it.

Are they doing it by ear or do they have some information to find out what is the... Okay, So they, they're just saying we believe this is one of the first ones based on the sound or do they have some information? So I watched a YouTube documentary about this many years ago and I think there maybe is another store in London or something that also does this and they claim,

I don't know how true it is, but they claim to be able to look at like the actual pressing numbers, like the numbers, the matrix numbers. Yeah. And, and sort of puzzle out which ones were first. As far as I know,

the numbers don't change from, from stamp to stamp. So I don't know how they would know exactly, but they claim that there is some way they're puzzling that out. The top pros are able to do this. Obviously it's going to be your top, top ears are going to be able to do this one because you're having to like hear a very small difference, even smaller than like a difference between two, like a CD and a,

you know what i mean like different like this is just a very small difference and that's the thing is like the matrix number is a part of it so if they do find this matrix number they still have to bring it to the listening room and listen to it and make sure there's no cracks or pops or anything on them and they clean it and they're like all right this one is a white hot stamper and that is going to cost you uh here i got another one here for you so they they just they call it a white hot stamper because it was so hot when they stamped it the other one i have here is really good it's a simon and garfunkel one so they're kind of ripping people off yeah oh for yes i mean for sure the guy will argue with you all day on the internet did you try and argue with him i didn't know but a lot of people on the audio file message

boards really fight they hate him because they think he's ripping people off so they argue with this guy and the guy will argue all day and do threats and stuff like this. This is a White House temper of Simon and Garfunkel, Bridge Over Troubled Water, and it is $999.99. It's a good song. It's a good record. Good record, good title track.

$1,000 might be an investment if it is really white hot well the funny thing is is like like all audiophiles in their faq they answer all the questions of like so is this real and like they're also like are is this a good investment and they're like no we are not saying this is a good investment because they're not even like first edition pressings like some of these are remasters or like you know stuff that's not worth anything but it's because they were the first press ones so they're saying they sound better but then so they're basically admitting then though that like most people would not agree because if if any amount of people agreed that

it would be a good investment because it would have resale value potentially and it could you know get even you know it could appreciate so he's saying okay nobody really cares about this well and it's it's it's i think the way that this guy that probably has a lot of records or access to a lot of records is able to convince a group of people who've decided that cds sound better that wait a minute no you can get records oh i see it sounds better than cd yeah they're like no listen you've just been listening to these fucking ice cold things and right before they tossed this damn the damn press away they threw the damn thing away it was basically broken it was almost broken by the time you

listened to that crap you know but so is it just one guy that does this six guys it is six guys that work for one guy okay so it's not like this is not like an industry this is not like something that exists outside of their site or their okay this is a this is a guy running a business it's a con artist a confidence man a con man uh grifter grifter yeah okay i know i'm familiar with them i've heard of them yeah it's a thing he invented yeah yeah yeah it's classic grifter uh you know con man move. Yeah, that one I love. I think it's so funny. And there's a store, too.

There's a brick and mortar store where they're organized by how good they are. Where is it? I don't know. It's in California. In California. Yeah, that is a really good. Because honestly, in today's day and age with technology and stuff, it's kind of hard to pull off like an old school like con man con like that and this feels really kind of like a classic con you know it does sure it feels good so there are other little tricks you can use in order to get your uh uh

sound to be better and one of those is called uh brilliant pebbles and what they are oh no whatever dude it's a little bag of rocks to the cords on the back of your they're a hundred dollars for a little bad rock. Like, what the hell? I got rocks outside my friggin' place. These are brilliant

pebbles. What are they? Can you show them to us? Can you show them to us? I actually do have a picture where I can show you guys somebody using brilliant pebbles. Brynn, have you heard of this?

Have you used brilliant pebbles? I've never heard of this one. You're about to see some brilliant pebbles here. Right. You did find some really interesting stuff. I got to give it to you. I didn't find the brilliant pebbles. People sent that to me.

Shout out to everyone. Shout out if you were someone who sent that in thank you to anyone who sends in nice stuff for us to that is very nice of you and i should have remembered who sent me the a bunch of people sent me the brilliant remember it is a nice thing to do brian not to tell you but yeah it would be and it would encourage other people to do it more too if you were like hey thanks so much to this person and gave him recognition then boom other people might as that is a good point and i should start doing that i always try to do it with the other uh with the stream yeah okay so the picture's gone uh but oh no oh no oh no picture load flub but there a picture. I got a picture up on the screen now. There we go.

There we go. There it is. Oh, no. This does not look. This looks like it's just taped on with like scotch tape or something. Yeah. It looks like just a little like Coke bag. Yeah.

With tiny pebbles. And it's, yeah, it's just taped on there like haphazard like this does not look this is like if you're taping that onto your shit and like you've paid a hundred dollars for it you have to there has to be a realization at some point like this is really silly what i'm doing well what they are brilliant pebbles is an original concept of oh you don't say it don't say. You don't say. Brilliant Pebbles capitalizes on two specific properties of mineral crystals. These properties, vibration absorption and radio frequency interference slash electromagnetic interference absorption. So there's your reason for using Brilliant Pebbles. And look right here.

Oh, wait a second. I was doubting it but these are pretty scientific looking drawings they have their diagrams i don't know if you guys have ever heard of diagrams you probably haven't if you haven't been to university yeah if you really can't describe to me a crystal lattice structure i you really don't have the the expertise to be commenting on this yeah so brilliant pebbles was a really cool one but i also ran up on furutech uh nano liquid which is a small bottle i'm gonna get you a picture of the nano liquid this sounds you know straight out of like marvel or something you know what i mean like it really does the nano sci-fi concept

this is an ebay 214 dollars and 18 cents for some nano liquid liquid contact cleaning it is um so basically you what you do is you take all your contacts out and you you paint with the nail polish on each one of the contacts of the thing and then plug them back in, boom. You got better sound. I just want to say for the flub heads, by the way, I definitely heard Brian say nano lick it.

He did say it. The only reason I bring it up is because a couple of flub heads were getting a little angry at me about letting some flubs go. I want you to know that I hear them and I hear you. He's trying to be polite. Yes, a little bit. I'm trying to be polite because sometimes, as I've mentioned, sometimes they just start coming so often.

It's weird that I have a podcast where I read as much as I do. And we didn't mention, I don't on but this is nighttime brian we're recording this at nighttime so this is your first ever nighttime brian record so i'm impressed you're you're doing pretty well the first nighttime guys i have another one that i found and this is quantum stickers okay i know this now come on hang on i know this one's bullshit from the Dave. I got to say, I'm not an audio person, but I could tell this one. Man, I'm still stuck on Brilliant Pebbles. That's insane. So you never heard any of those ideas with the vibration absorption?

Never. So these are stickers that you stick in certain places around the room okay cool that's nice i mean that listen people like stickers nothing wrong with that yeah they do a lot for you though they look really small yeah they're small stickers they're very small because they don't have to be big it would if they were big they'd be kind of tasteless sure in a way um but these are also um these are also for optimal performance a lot of times i don't tell you exactly what things are for they just say optimal performance it says by applying the quantum stickers at cable interconnect sections ic chips capacitors and resistors

this quickly allows worldwide audiophiles and music lovers to experience the advantage of hi-fi tuning with ease. Wait. Yeah, it's a tuning product. In between IC chip? Yeah. You put them in a lot of different places. You put them on the boards? Yes, yes, yes.

Yeah. On the boards? Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. So from the mass amount of Quantum X2 users' experience on their HiFi system, feedback gathered, the cleanliness, transparency of the signals have immediately achieved a big difference. That's so impressive. It's a cleaner signal when you put the stickers on, you know? It also sounds poorly translated or like you know it sounds like it's being translated i'm seeing some some chinese characters here

so i mean maybe it's not their first language is it not i don't think so yeah i think it's being translated probably like yes it says this is because any audio system which uses electricity are affected by electrostatic charge. And the traditional methods for removing electrostatic charge were electrical grounding route planning with positive and negative ions generator. An adverse electrostatic charge. An example will be a static fan and a negative ion generator. Well, you don't even need that stuff anymore because you got these stickers. That's crazy.

The stickers fill in for all of that stuff yes that is okay this this one i'm interested in because yeah it seems like you can save a lot of space and how much do they cost how much i'm going to the price because the price is some i think what were you saying i actually really want to try this because they're i mean it can't possibly be real but like it's because you could test this pretty easily like you could just look at it and be like oh yeah i'm seeing less noise on on the signal uh if it did work it would be really amazing it'd be great i mean that i think a lot of these sounds like they've got the sale they've got them they've made themselves a sale right congratulations it's 349 for the quantum stick oh my god so you're you're impressed you're like holy shit i thought it was gonna be way more than that. I thought it was going to be definitely three grand.

I'm just reading. This sentence is so insane. Stickers contain patented formula infrared powder, which undergoes 36 hours of cryogenic process at negative 196 Celsius. That seems like it would do something. That's so cold that it must do something. I don't... I'm from Canada, so I know what that means. You know, Celsius, and that's very cold.

These words don't make any sense. I found these legs you can put on your speakers, too. What are these? Magico MPod support system. I found these legs you can put on your speakers too. What are these? Magico M-Pod support system. It's like legs you can put on the bottom of your speakers. They come in like a nice box too. Okay, so this is just aesthetics.

This is aesthetics. This is what it looks like. If you look, I have it right here. It's the legs on a speaker. And what this is going to run. Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's the finish? That's what it looks like at the end? Yeah. legs on a speaker and what this is going to run whoa that's the finish that's what it looks like yeah and it sounds like that looks like you're like jacking it up to like do work underneath the speaker like you like if you guys could see this it does not make it look better by

any means that looks like they were trying to do a special effect where they were like claiming that it was floating yeah but then they didn't think they could really pull that off so they just included the whole thing where they were bringing it to be floating well it's really what if i told you each leg only costs 1050 us dollars why you don't sell that per you need all four legs selling per leg i just buy one i mean i guess a replacement one but you should sell a pack of four what's so strange about this stuff is that i feel like these could only make it sound worse. Oh, no, there's no way. Like they're made with all these different materials, all these different like electromagnetic frequencies.

Like it's only going to cause it to be more noisy. Oh, for sure. Well, here's a problem that I think a lot of these guys run run into and i thought i i'd want to get into here with you this is from jeffrey davidson off of the steve hoffman uh who that's the big forum for audio yeah i'll never understand it why in our beautiful world of audio communication do people who love music intensely not participate in what we find is indispensable joy with the recreation of music in our home? My wife, for example, the first time we met,

I enter her house and the Beatles Please Please Me album is playing through her sound system. I thought, nice start there. So he walked in. He's like, okay, at least you got it out of the headphones. All right, all the headphones all right all right all right we're on a system okay but when i invited her to my house and played any beatles or any music through my sound system there's no grasp from her of the quality of what i and you enjoy why is she lucky i married her this is his wife like not not a girl that my bitch wife

doesn't even understand how good my setup is she doesn't get how good she has it the other wives ears are getting assaulted this is like this is so wild yeah that he's just like i'm sure she didn't say anything negative no do you know what i mean like she doesn't sound like she said anything negative it just sounds like she didn't like start going like holy fuck right like holy shit like i thought i was getting it like the fucking the warmness of this Beatles record now that, you know, like, yeah. I didn't even know they recorded it for mono. Wow. I've sang professionally for 30 years and have met many musicians who aren't into high end audio either. I've heard numbers as low as less than one percent of the U.S. population is into it.

I would enjoy hearing from our forum. Why did you hear those numbers? I don't know. Where are those numbers even being tossed around? Who's doing this research? This guy, he has everybody he knows. Nobody cares about that enough to do the research. There was a global survey this guy's met a hundred people in his life and only

one of them cared and it's he's just extrapolating mad yeah i would enjoy hearing from our forum regarding this disconnect because it's causing friction in our marriage as well i'd like to listen to a lot more than i am able but i have to respect her and i have a nice set of cans with an amp too prefer open sound in a room don't have the funds for a soundproof room thing so basically his wife is like all you fucking do is put your headphones on and listen yeah and no that's if she's lucky i know that he puts the headphones on and listens to music that's on the good days on the bad days it's just blaring through the house like fucking pig floyd yeah you know like just absolutely pounding it how many how many like dates do you think they went

on before he was like do you do you think this sounds better i i really have to say that like there's no there's no world in which i would think my my if i went to my first date with somebody and they were listening to music through a system that i didn't think was good i would still have not brought that up now i would just be like yeah you were doing pretty good you know hey right on with you you know I think this guy said it right away I would imagine you know the first time that they were saying that he was kind of looking at her and then he just sort of like like it was dead silent for so long he's like you know this sounds way better right and she's like oh okay i'm sorry like yeah it's funny because like it's the way i think about sometimes my wife's

taste in like comedy or something like that she'll be like hey do you think this guy's funny i'll be like yeah but i don't really think the guy's funny you know what i mean but it's just like whatever i don't think anybody's funny it just that's just the way it's gonna be a guy did respond to him and he goes uh i guess that's why one of the reasons why i don't have a girlfriend yet by the way i still crack up when i think back to the grateful dead thread where people were talking about dreaming of having some gorgeous stripper doing lap dances for them during one of the many live versions of Dark Star. What? Ew. That might be why you don't have a girl.

You're still thinking about that and laughing? That's like in your mind still? I'm mad that that's in my mind. I'm never going to be able to listen to that song now. Think about how you could be possibly attractive to a person. Any other person. Red Shifter actually said, do you have the urge to upgrade your wife or significant other's headphones?

I got my wife. Oh, my God. You know what's really weird about this is like they must know that hearing ability is like wildly varying right like like people have tinnitus people have like hurt their hearing by like listening to loud concerts in their teenage years like maybe they just can't hear the difference honestly and i like give audiophiles the grace to be like maybe you actually can like maybe you have better hearing than me and that's important to you you're entertaining fine i don't care but like don't tell me what i have to listen like it sounds the same to me maybe i have shitty ears and maybe i like my headphones maybe their wives like their headphones

i know like even if they're like they're like hey i've grown to love these they're like really reliable they feel really comfortable yeah it's really comfortable on my on my face and and then and then all of a sudden you're like no no honey oh well you're gonna you're gonna want to hear a little more of the low end on you know you know on your taylor swift record this bag of pebbles onto the corner yeah can you get by your top my hands aren't small enough to get behind there to tape the pebbles on the court can you do that honey well this is where it gets a little i can't believe you're not subscribed using my title subscription that i brought you so you can listen to flax you're listening to spotify i got an external hard drive to handle the space i bought you neil young's ponyo or whatever it's called well that's out of business but i do have the cubas if you guys have heard of

the cubas streaming service i have what's cuba heard of the QBOBS streaming service. What's QBOBS? That's the hi-fi streaming service. Ah, that makes sense. It makes sense that a business like that would exist. Cobas. Cobas or something like that. Yeah, I just saw it over and over again. And I looked it up.

And it looks like they like Cobas or QBOBS. And they like Deezer. Those are two. Okay, that's the French one, and they like Deezer. Those are two. Okay, that's the French one, right? And Apple, too. And a lot of them will stick up for Spotify if you turn all the settings for saving bandwidth and stuff off on the Spotify. There is a way. This guy does say, I got my wife some Sony EX70s, and she loved them so much she refused to even listen to anything else so why do i still urge to push better headphones on her what why would you get

her mid headphones hey you bought them he bought a motherfucker he just wants to upgrade so bad he wants to go to the store and buy the upgrade you're right those people are sick they just wanted an excuse to get something better always want to upgrade it's all about upgrading because yeah if you become sort of obsessed with the thing and then you get your system now you've just got it and you're listening to it and that's okay for a while but then i think being obsessed with it you're gonna have that itch again where you're like i gotta see what the fuck else is out there like have they gotten better you know someone has definitely invented a better wire yeah somebody might have found smaller rocks you know blip did respond to him and say i've managed to turn my significant under and other into quite a little

speaker audio file but alas headphones still elude her not that i'm complaining how many other women consider cables a valid anniversary present and i'm gonna make the argument that his doesn't either no i think she's i mean who knows we don't know but i think you know that could be a situation where she's like hey i'm gonna i'm gonna go ahead and humor you this is obviously very important to you i know that does happen sometimes for some reason this is the very important to you i know that does happen sometimes for some reason this is the very first time i've ever thought of this but like why are why is it so much male dominated they ask all the the funny thing brin that i like the most about it is is they're constantly asking it too yeah we're more annoying we're more annoying about stuff like that

maybe i don't know yeah it is hard to say i guess like the whole i think it was definitely when we were younger it was sort of uh you know advertised more to us like surround sound like that whole kind of but i don't know that is it is an interesting question but it's like women get into stuff like that for sure like with makeup makeup always an insane like super skeezy scammy like oh this one is like stays for 12 hours and it's like never comes off your lips unless you want it to or whatever like but so it doesn't seem specifically like male coded but it definitely is they say yeah i've never met a female audiophile well and and it's funny because like you would kind of think like like because when men are in a primarily male oriented thing they like usually are like hey it's me and the boys doing the thing you know what i mean like yeah yeah you aren't looking for more women but audiophiles are very clearly what can we do to get more women into

speakers like what if you stopped caring so like what everybody else is into have you considered that yeah another thing about audiophile guys is that they always like have the most dog shit taste in music like they have the like not even like 4chan moo core like they don't even have like they don't even have like i listen to the needle drop recommends like they have like the most basic like i like the 1975 and pink floyd and the beatles and that's it yeah like what like the same why classic rock guy music we got we know a guy michael michael noland and they like that music they just there was a period of time where people were making the kind of music they like and but then even are they like. Are they all old? Are they all from that generation?

They are. So that would, I guess, make some sense then, if they all came up with that music. Yeah, because people aren't looking for, like, Young Thug or anything, like, on these boards. It's always like, hey, where can I the an elp super hot stamper for less than 400 but you'd think they'd there'd be like audiophiles who are into like i don't know like ambient music starting lit or like um i'm trying to radio head or something burning music they do

have burning music i don't know if you've ever heard of burning but it's where you listen to certain songs on your speakers when you first get them to like really break them in and make them sound perfect so they have songs there's a rihanna song there's a pink boys they call it there's a few other songs yeah there's there's a really long burn-in playlist on uh spotify that i was looking and is this a legitimate thing or is that total nonsense? What would that mean? I guess it just... They say it stretches out

the speakers in a way that works. Do you want to stretch them out? Do you want to stretch them out? Listen to this one. Listen to this one. Listen to this one. Here. They stay physically the same size right yes anyone using crystals

are any members using crystals in their systems if so how are you using them to get good results like aren't crystals are just like universally known as bullshit in every sense so i don't know if they are in this sense but every time i hear, man, you need to add some crystals to make this audio. I just think like this sounds so bullshit. Well, it's the same. They say it changes negative ions in some way, just like the stickers did. And just like Himalayan sea salt, those lamps are, they like change the ions in the room. And that's supposed to be good for you, but you don't really know.

Oh, that's the direction they're going? Okay, good. Because in, now, in electrical engineering, you use quartz crystals in circuits, sometimes for like timing of waves. And that matters and you but it's like as a component in the circuit putting them around the board shouldn't matter at all because they're not connected to anything but like uh i thought that they were maybe saying that they like absorbed like electromagnetic interference or something but they're just saying

like the vibes like the ions of the air they're not they're not connected to anything you're just putting there in the aura their aura is just sort of yeah the guy says on a more serious note i think there's something to this crystal subject i believe i have a pair of integrated circuits that have micro crystals in its outer cover a few power distributors also contain crystals worthy of more study in my opinion it's like not looking into the science behind it or like how the engineering works or what crystals it's worthy worthy to be looked into definitely not by me but someone should look into this stuff that people have been using for decades to make circus. Well, a guy goes, I have played around with crystals in the past and never found them to do anything.

And then he signed Alan. So he did put his name at the end of it. So he made the old. Thanks, Alan. And then another guy replies and he goes, I once knew a gal named Crystal had good results. And then the original poster now responds. He goes, for those who are interested, you can experiment with various kinds of crystals to see if they improve sound quality. It seems there is also quite a lot of interest here in digression and mockery figures.

Whoa. What? Because one person said that they knew a girl named crystal he was making a boning joke yeah and he was it wasn't even like denigrating the point original pose a little defensive here yeah treat these things seriously you can't like if somebody asked you what you think of crystals you can't say i think they're silly you have to be like he didn't even say that that person didn't say that brian they just said that they met a girl named crystal good results and it was just a joke they were making and this person's like this is not the place for that i did find the

black body sorry no you go i'm sorry the poster specify how he was experimenting with the crystals no no he just said crystals i think it really is just sitting them on top of your thing because there are also wood they're like wood blocks that you're supposed to sit on top of it that can also make a difference or there is the black body ambient field conditioner and uh it costs fourteen hundred dollars in short it's a box which has been painted black that's it apparently black absorbs radiation from the air and makes your music sound better you don't even plug it in why because it's just a fucking box and uh i'm gonna show you so that's not like the ad for it right that's someone no that's my goofing right this is what it is and uh you just you you sort of just set it down on your instrument you can see some uses of

it right here they can you click it can you click it so i can see the what the image looks like yeah they just sit so it's just like it looks like like just like a little button or something like a little like like a like a button on a shirt you know it looks like a stainless steel bullseye yeah it looks very small it's it's like the size of a yeah like a button on your shirt it is not connected to anything it's there on a piece of plastic. Yeah. It does. It does. And one of those costs $1,400. Yes. One of these costs $1,400.

But it probably makes everything sound like $1,400 better. So good, right? $1,600 better. Sure. So a lot of this is like really like there's like people who have sort of zeroed in on this. And they're just ripping people off using all this like fake sort of language that's what i'm kind of getting from this because yeah this just doesn't seem like i don't know again and it seems like you're saying crystals are used internally in the components for things but the they seem to be trying to take that

and bring it externally. And you don't think that would actually help. I wouldn't. This is the AudioMagic CE Generator. It's a set of three. And it's got better imaging details and dynamics. It's only 400 bucks. It's only $400.

It looks like a black croissant. hundred dollars it looks like a uh black croissant yes it looks like a donut kind of yeah pancake almost yeah exactly and what does it do what is it what is it what is it well as we all know noise is getting worse and worse each year and it could be bad for your eye wait what why how come it is i didn know. I thought it was getting better. I thought they were coming up with improvements in it. Yeah, we're using crystals. We're into all kinds of stuff. It could be bad for your audio system as well as your health.

Audio Magic's new generators are passive devices which you simply set on top of equipment, speakers, breaker boxes, anywhere EMI slash RFI is a problem, which is everywhere. So you're going to need a lot of these. You're going to need to buy. So that's how they get. They only cost $400, but you need like 20 of them. They have to be everywhere, Chris.

Yeah, you have to have one on you as well at all times. You definitely need to put a couple on your phone for sure. Oh, yeah, definitely. That's em to put a couple on your phone for sure. Oh, yeah. That's emitting all kinds of stuff. He says the CE generator simply absorb bad energy and convert it to good energy. Okay. Okay. No, hang on a second.

I can get mine then. I've always been a big opponent of bad energy and a huge proponent of good energy. I like it. The idea of taking bad energy, one of my least favorite things and turning it into good energy, which I love, that's actually got some appeal for me. You've got $400, right? I do have $400.

You need more than one, though. You don't want to be moving them around either, Chris. I could put a couple on a credit card, you know what I mean? They take all of these so many all those credit cards well i and i probably want to put i want to put this on a credit card and and then i also want to put this on the credit card literally that has near field communication and you don't want that near music either because uh you will feel better and your stereo system

will sound a lot better with better imaging details dynamics and simply just sound a lot more realistic so you don't want your sound sounding fake it's exactly what i was thinking as i read this it just to me is so funny that these people there are it's not all of them it is a a minority of the people that are involved that the rest of the people call it snake oil and you can if you ever really want to have fun you go to r slash audio file and insert snake oil and they have a huge thread of these things yeah and there are inevitably somebody's making money off of these things so it does work on some people i learned about knob wobble too where i'm sure you did i learned about that on the first episode but knob wobble is when the knobs that you put wooden knobs on your

stereo so that they don't wiggle and fuck with the sound because when this when when the when knobs are wobbling you can hear that vibrating through into the cd that you're listening to or the record so you definitely want to get new knobs and those generally they're going to run you about four or five six hundred dollars the premise here is that putting more knob on the potentiometer would stop the potentiometer from moving more because it's got the wood knob on there it's got the it's got the uh you know it uh reinforced with the wood and it's got the thing that you know what i'll be honest with you i'm not really sure this one

is fully above board i gotta say though we're about done here, but I will say this, that like, you know, a couple of, two years ago or a year and a half ago when the vaccine came out, people were like, I'm going to do my own research. And we all knew they were stupid and they weren't actually doing their own research, but they would come back with some sort of research and i think looking at audio files really showed me what those people were doing because if you don't know what you're talking about like if i don't know what i'm talking about i just know that you can't set a crystal on top of something and it makes things sound better or you can't put a wood knob on something i just know that isn't there's not a part of the room where you can set a little there's not a thing where if you're if you get too much noise on your speakers if they touch the carpet so you buy these little stilts to put your speaker cables on so they don't touch the floor or the carpet because that messes with yourself

like i know none of that works i couldn't explain to you how how anything actually works it's common sense yes you could spend time and you could see yourself in a conversation like this and i'm a polite i'm generally polite i don't want to make fun of somebody to their face but i do know that my my brother-in-law believes that the earth is flat and i've been i've been in conversations with him where i've tried to sort of gently push back and he just would get more and more agitated and angry to the point now where he doesn't even like me hates me i don't know he doesn't believe the world is flat like it is yes so like it is a thing where these guys probably do say this stuff to people but also get increasingly more agitated when they say

it doesn't make sense to them you know what i mean so it's just people are being generally nice and kind of just letting these people go and they have developed their own version of science and it seems to be working you guys you guys heard it here you heard it here first brian is saying that audiophiles anyone who is an audiophile if you're listening to this you're basically the same as a flat earther. I'm saying you're more like Einstein. You're doing the research. You're doing the research. I'm just saying that there's research out there, and if you say matrix, or if you say

like if there are words like ion and matrix and stuff like that, where if somebody says that to me, I just have to take it because I don't fucking know anything about ions or matrices you know what i mean matrix number you mean the matrix number yeah but that one even i'm talking about like the ions or the uh uh electromagnetic poles or the like um stuff like i don't know what any of that is. I went to college for fucking sociology and I'm incredibly stupid.

So like I could, I will not believe this, but that's out of a stubbornness. It's not out of an intelligence, you know? What I think is so interesting is that this, this community has, I feel like just as many people who are like,

no, not that stuff. Yeah. But even they are like, but, but I need to spend $20,000 on an amplifier. Like they, they like,

cause, cause a lot of these people probably are engineers or, or like work in audio to a certain extent you don't really get to this point with like i don't know maybe some of them are like what what kind of job can you have where you seem to sell hi-fi equipment right like they kind of are already in that world and they're kind of chasing this dragon of like i think i could make it sound a little better and it's just like a kind of a silly hobby for them for like the most realistic ones of them but then they're like lumped together and they hate it they hate that they're lumped together

with these people who are like put crystals on top of your amp and they're like no that does that's not doing anything for me i would hate that too though i would i would do i remember that you know that the anarchist thing there would be people that would say the most wild shit in the world i'm like well i'm not that kind of dude i'm a different kind that doesn't isn't like that you know what i mean i've been noticing recently especially within the past two years like more more insane freaks are calling themselves marxists yes online like way more than in like 2016 uh just people saying way out of left or right field or wherever just like crazy shit about the innocuous stuff is fascist and it's because i'm a marxist that i'm right and i wherever just like crazy shit about the innocuous stuff is fascist and it's because i'm a marxist that i'm right and i'm just like oh please stop saying that they should have

never taught you people that work i want to tell people i'm a marxist yeah exactly nothing is safe it's people being nice and people i like you gotta feel sorry for somebody too that spent a thousand dollars on one leg to hold their speaker you have to justify it to yourself yeah and i feel bad for them i kind of actually feel bad for the ones that fall for this stuff but then again it's like they just have so much money yeah i think again i think they're all super rich i feel i would feel for someone if they're like spending money that they need for other stuff on this that would make me feel bad if they've like been duped or something but i just don't think those that many of like

those types of people exist you know i don't think so it's not something you really get into as a hobby unless you kind of have some cash lying around yeah you would have yeah you definitely would have to have to have some money around like i said like when you look at the cheapest setups you're looking at like fifteen thousand dollars those were like the cheapest setups that i saw and you know they might as well have been broke motherfuckers because everybody else is like well you know mine's twenty five thousand yeah mine's forty fifty guy that says he spent lifetime over five hundred thousand dollars on i believe it equipment. It's just so much fucking money. So, yeah.

Well, that was very fun. And I want to thank you, Bryn, for doing this show. Tell people where to find you. Thank you so much for having me, Chris and Brian. My name is Bryn Niebor. I tweet at Kino Mazzagraffi. I have a show called Generation Loss that's about movies with Jeremy Hammond. I have a show about politics. It's called Be Be Bloodless. I have a band that Generation Loss that's about movies with Jeremy Hammond I have a show about politics it's called Beep Beep Lettuce

I have a band that's called Stay Inside and I think that's all and Chris go listen to your Bose headphones fuck off by the way fuck off I said thanks for coming clean but I've been thinking about the whole episode barely paying attention to what you guys have been saying

just thinking about this and relating on it. What the hell? How dare you come after me for wearing bows? And then when you knew the whole time you have bows in your fucking home and your dad was a bows lover, that is despicable behavior. You've never heard me stick up for my dad one time. Yeah, that's true. But I just mean just to know that

you have bows. Can you believe he treats me like that? That is untenable. And I treat him so well. We'll see you guys next week with what do we got? I think next week is

Wine Guys. Oh, good guy. That is going to be... I might watch the film Sideways. I've never seen it before and I've been meaning to watch it. Maybe I'll watch it in honor of that. I've seen it. It's a fun movie. Yeah.