Guys: With Bryan Quinby - Guys: Episode 61 - Gambling Guys with Tom Sexton

Episode Date: April 9, 2024

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Welcome to Guys, a podcast about guys. I am Brian. I'm here with Always Bet, always bet on red Chris James. I don't bet. Wasn't a good one. Yeah, because like that's not even, it's not even a really bad thing. Like that's a pretty good strategy. You know, it's also, it's the Martindale message, but it's also because I put always bet on double zero for my name in the thing, which would have been like a good own, right?

I apologize everybody. So I feel great about it. I've gotten up. Yeah, no insult. We are doing a show this this week. We're on a we're working on a run here where we do just shows kind of tailored to the people that are on the show. And as a person who spent two weeks with Tom back in, I think 2019, uh, I was like, there's no one better in this world

to bring on this show gambling guys than Tom Sexton. What's up, Tom? What's up? Let's get back once again. Do you know he is one of our him and Mike? There are two regulars. Do you know I'm gonna explain this to Chris Tom real quick You know those quarter pusher machines? That there's a bunch of quarters on it and then you put a quarter in and there's like quarters hanging off the ledge And then you put a quarter in and there's like quarters hanging off the ledge. Like at a fair or something. I think I've seen that before. Like the traveling fair that would come through. Yeah. Or maybe, yeah, I just I'd never played it, but I do recall maybe seeing it.

Well, they usually give tickets, but we went to the south of the border. We would have initiated. This is the most racist truck stop in America. Very much is this in North Carolina. Thank you for giving me some context. Tom. Now I know where you're talking about. Well, they say they figure out that this one doesn't give tickets.

You get to keep the quarters. And I've never seen somebody like I think one more quarter just and like it was a what'd you win? You probably won like $3 or something. But Tom was dialed in on that quarter pusher. Okay. So hang on. Is that the only reason that you picked them to come on the episode? Okay. I was just going to say that gambler that doesn't seem like heavy duty gambling to me, you know, like, it seems like a fun game that you could play, and there's very little low stakes. So I'm not sure that that comes to poker guy too, right?

You are I'll let you speak for yourself, Tom. Well, I mean, here's the thing about it is the funny thing is I've been having a conflict about it. Uh, recently, not because of my own activities, but because I don't view the sort of proliferation of, of, you know, integrating the, the experience of watching sports with, they bombarded with like, Oh, sign up for NGM grands app and get that. But that's not a net positive for society. Even though like I do myself gamble. I don't view that as, you know, I think it's, it's, it's a little out of control now.

It really, I mean, I w I've recently gotten back into watching sports on TV because I've started watching the Vancouver Canucks again. Yeah. So, you know, not a streaming thing. You see even more of those ads and it's fucking remarkable. How much of it now is sports betting ads? I mean, it's just fucking crazy. Like it used to be a thing that you never saw and now it's everywhere.

And the other thing I'd add to that too, Chris, is that like, so everybody like famously knows that like, you know, Michael Jordan really kind of got ran out of basketball because he ran up these huge gambling dads and like, let me take one second. Tom, has that his father killed question mark? Well, Tom, that is the first thing I have for this episode. It's the very top thing from a forum called two plus two, which is a gambling website. And since you said that, I got to say this is from January 15th, 2024. And expat writes says Michael Jordan fixed his games and fixing is widespread in the NBA and other major league sports. It's amazing when I searched quote fixed on this forum, I only find people denying the possibility.

Jordan was suspended from the NBA at the peak of his earning power for gambling. No, it was for gambling on himself and fixing. There's tons of allegations around fixing via Donaghy. Games are fixed everywhere and the history of the game rigging in the NBA and collegiate sports is absolutely insane. All quotes statistical anomaly should be examined with an eye to finding the fixed game. So it's funny that you said that. I know that, um, that Monica, that's the ref, right? The NBA ref,

he faint like that one. I, when I saw that, that was like, I think that happens a lot. I know there was like one particular call. It was like a playoff basketball game that I was watching. And there was like some missed calls that were so egregious where I started thinking to myself, this is of course it could be fixed. Think about the amount of money that's being bet on that and the, and the people involved in the betting, you know, like organized crime and stuff like that. And like how the, how they would be able to influence something like that. But I'm wondering

how Jordan would have fixed games because he won a lot. Yeah, he won a lot. You know when they say that like Pete Rose only bet on himself, like if the extent of Jordan, I want to be fair about this, I don't want to be out there just saying Michael Jordan's game. The problem got his father killed. That's that's a conspiracy. Yeah. But some laws will consider. I'd never heard that before. I had never heard that. That's interesting. I'm going to go ahead. I'm going to go ahead and spread it around and tell and say it as fact

to everyone that I know now, and I'm going to tell them my sources. Tom Sexton sources, some dipshit in Kentucky that heard it on, you know, a podcast that also has mafia turncoats on there. So anyway, uh, to the fixing question though, like I will tell you this horse racing is 100% fixed except for like the big, right? Except for like the big, like, you know, Kentucky Derby and stuff like that. It's not, but if you're just betting like little maiden claimers at some like shitty track by your house during the day, like, if you know what you're watching

for, like them stiffen them at the wire and stuff like that, like just to kind of fuck with the exotics, that shit goes on all the time and the NBA. I'm not saying that any of that stuff's fixed, but I do remember watching this interview with, um, Evan Turner, who, uh, played in the league for a number of years. You just played Ohio state and this, and this other person who said that when they played LeBron, the understanding was to win by one, they had to win by 15. Yeah. Just because like their marquee names are going to get the calls.

They're going to get the deference in those like 50, 50 balls and things like that. That happens. Yeah. Just because like their marquee names are going to get the calls. They're going to get the deference in those like 50, 50 balls and things like that. That happens. Yeah, that happens. Like that's just, and that's just about selling an entertainment product because sport is really and truly for the most part in America anyway. I don't know about, you know, like, you know, soccer and other things, although they call it, we call, we actually call it football. Oh yeah. that's right. I'm sorry, the footy. Yeah, I do.

I mean, that's a different thing. That's not fixing it for gambling purposes, but that is the thing that happened. I mean, you know, the famously like, you know, Harden, how he would travel every single time he did, you know, like there's those things that just the stars are allowed to do. To get along with a little bit more. Yeah, exactly. Because, yeah, they want those people to win. They want them to face off against each other in the playoffs. They want those marquee matchups. So that makes sense. But yeah, just I mean, I guess Jordan could have point shaved, I guess, right? Like Jordan could have,

they have a huge lead and there's he's betting on the over under. And then he misses shots at the end of the game when he knows that he's got to line up cause he wants to get it. He could do that. I suppose. Yeah. Point shaving is the classic thing. It's like neither fixing nor, you know, betting on yourself, but it's just like, Oh, if the line's 14, I'm just going to make sure that the balls in my

hands and we win by 12. Yeah. That seems so hard to me. I watched the documentary about a college guy on Netflix. I wish I could remember it, but he got caught fixing games and the whole time he's talking about it. I'm like, that seems like kind of hard to dial it in, you know, but these are professional athletes, you know, that you got to keep in mind there, you know, they're pretty good at the sport that they're playing. So it does, but it does. Yeah. In some instances, it seems difficult, but in some instances it's not at all because it just simply means

missing a shot, which is quite easy to do. I can do it actually. So, yeah. So let's look at some poker guys from a two plus two forum. I used to play a little hold them myself, a little old and with the fellas. Yeah. I used to play a little hold them myself. A little old and with the fellas. Yeah. I'd go mid middle, middle of the night. And, uh, we, my friends and I would go to the poker room at the river rock casino and we would play against all the drunks on the weekend in the middle of

the night, stone cold scooper, and we would do pretty well, we would make a decent, you know, we wouldn't play high stakes or anything, but we would win a lot because there was a lot of, um, you know, terrible drunk players there at that time. And it's cool that you two are on here then that you played, but I've never played poker, I've been to five casinos in my life and I'm the worst gambler in the world because I I've told this story before on another episode But I'll just tell it real quick that like when I went to Vegas the first time I was up like

800 bucks and I was so excited about it. I was like, this is fucking crazy. Well by the time I left I was up 80 bucks and You know, whatever I I wasn that doesn't feel quite as good. No, the seed is in your mind that I'm at least good enough to win $800. So and then I came home and there's a casino here and I took Katie my wife and I was like, listen, we're broke as fuck. You know, we don't have any and that's where you want to go. Then that's where you want to go.. That's where you want to go.

And I'm like, I think I figured out how we could make a little extra money. And that's by playing roulette roulette as well. Is that a because I would think you'd want to play one that had some skill involved. But no, you're going pure chance on that. Okay. And I was like, because I sat at the roulette tables the whole time, at Bally's the whole time I was in Vegas. And I had a good time or whatever. So I go-

What were you betting? What were you betting when you did it? Just out of curiosity. Were you betting red, black, or were you betting on numbers? Yeah, red, black. It was just red, black the whole time. But my bets would get progressively higher. You're doing the equivalent of just flip a coin betting at the casino for right now somebody okay?

very cool, then my bets would get stupid like I bet two hundred dollars one time and It's because as it goes up you don't feel the same fucking feelings betting $20 as You did when you bet $100. It's just monopoly money too. You need to keep feeding it more and more though. You're right. It's just like you don't get that rush of betting 20 because it becomes meaningless to you. But all of a sudden now you bet 200 and you're like, Holy shit, I can't afford to lose this.

So we get to the casino and I take out $80. I give my wife 40 bucks. She goes and plays some that's kind of weird. Just why you only got 40 and you got 80 but you know, no, I got 40. We each got $40. Okay, so she goes and does some slot machines for about 1520 minutes, I go to do roulette, I lose all my money in 15 minutes. Like it's all fucking gone. And I go up to her and I'm like, I think we probably gotta go to ATM and get a few more dollars so this can work out for us.

And she's like, here, let me give you, she gave me 25 of her dollars because she wasn't spending any. And I walked over that table, I lost that $25. We were home 20 minutes after we got to the casino. It was so demoralizing. And it kept me away for a little bit, but now every time I'm near one,

I'm like, we should just go play roulette. I think roulette is the game. Like I don't know why I think that's the game, because I've won money doing it. I just want to tell you, the game poker because there's you're playing against other people and not the house. So if they have like the game is going to be poker definitely because you can like affect it in different ways and stuff like that. If you're yeah, I don't know chance wise though. What the best odds are Tom might know that if you're playing against the house, I think it's backer at.

Yeah, I would. It's not if you if you like it's poker, but if you're playing against the house, if you insist on games of chance. And Brian says, right. I the last time I did go and play was I went to do a comedy show. This was years ago when I was still doing stand up. And I went to go to a stand up show. It got canceled, but they still paid me the two hundred and twenty five dollars This was years ago when I was still doing stand-up and I went to go to a stand-up show it got cancelled

but they still paid me the $225 for the gig and I literally walked home past the Casino downtown in vancouver. I forget what it's called now, but I walked right past it I thought this is literally free money that I you know And so I sat down and played a little blackjack and I doubled it I made 400 and that's my you know I got up to 400 and I felt like I was a fucking king, you know, like I had just absolutely won it and I haven't gone back since.

He's such a, just such a careful guy. Well, I looked at this two plus two forum and the first thread I really enjoyed was altercations at the table. Oh yeah. Chips Omnom says, feel free to share any and all encounters with assholes at the table and how you shut them up or otherwise handle it. So first of all, these stories are going to be 90% lies. Snappy answers to stupid questions. Yeah. And also like a lot of these people's like, I encountered an asshole at the table means I was losing a lot of money and I

wanted to blame somebody else for it and I got mad at somebody speaking in a certain way or whatever or playing in a certain way. It happens in blackjack all the time with the person who's at the end of the table if they don't take a card when they're supposed to or whatever people start losing it on them if they're losing money. Okay so I don't understand the first part of this. Okay, so I'm just gonna read it because gamblers seem to understand this though with tournament blinds at 500 UTG fakes an accidental raise to 15,000 he put out three five thousand chips instead of three five 500 chips and said he meant to call. I fell for it and

jammed with a ace queen. Oh, I guess he calls and turns over a case. I river a queen for the win. Stand up and yell in your face. Oh, this guy sounds awful. It sounds like the person probably did maybe just make a mistake. So blinds are just like what you have to bet right off the top. There's a small blind and the big blind. So they're saying that it was five and 15. And he meant to call, but he accidentally put in 15,000 in chips. So this guy is saying, oh, he's doing it on purpose to try to like, and then I ended up winning. It was a very standard thing. You know, you get something on the river or whatever and you bust them on the river.

You don't stand up and say in your face to somebody. I would. It seems fun. So here's where the lie comes. Dude said he would take me outside if it was 20 years ago. I asked him describe what he would do. I asked him to describe what he would do. This is a thing. This is fucking weird.

This whole interaction, if it actually happened, would have been so funny to see. Also, it sounds like he was yelling at an elderly man as well, you know? Yeah, yeah. He's like, 20, 20 years ago, I would have taken you outside. I asked him, you know, what? Sh outside. I asked him to go woodshed. I asked him to describe what he would do to me. Table laughs. A dealer verbally steps in and tells us to knock it off.

Ha ha serves them right for angling. Poker players are so easy to tilt. One little comment will tilt them all day and they usually knock themselves out. Ha ha. I'm talking delicate flower emotions. I yelled in his face. What are you talking about? Like if somebody yells in your face like that, it's like a confrontational, you know, poor etiquette. It's like a guy's not mad at you because you like won the pot. I mean, you might be Phil whatever, but he's mad because you're just being belligerent. Yeah. You're yelling in someone's face. It's like, and it's not just poker etiquette. It's

just fucking etiquette in general. You don't fucking scream in someone's face that you don't know in public unless you're willing to have a fight, you know, because people will react by hitting you in that. And he lost the guy lost a lot of money. So he's already like in a bad mood So this guy ends his post by saying I take full advantage of this and tilt the assholes and know it all is very entertaining Haha, so this guy is Probably the worst person in the entire world But dr. Meck responses as or perhaps it was a genuine mistake and he meant to limp UTG in which case you're over the top reaction to a rivered queen finally displays the quote delicate flower emotions.

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things and post pictures of them playing in the world series where they promptly just like lost their buy-in. And the world, and if you have the buy-in, you can play in the world series of poker, right? Right. If not, it's not like a matter. You don't have to like make it in. They don't hand select you.

Online veteran says I play. Okay. So Gash had said previously he's getting quoted back 20 years ago when true poker was a 3d online site. One of the avatars had a gun, which if she knew the Easter egg, she was able to pull out of her holster and shoot an opponent online. Veteran says I played on this side almost every day and I don't remember ever seeing that true poker was my favorite side of all time. I started playing there in the spring of 2001.

I have my worst losing session ever the night before nine 11. That site brings back a lot of memories. Holy every time I see the towers come down, I just think about how I lost it. All I like America lost it. He starts crying at footage of 911 and people are like, Oh, it's okay. You know, like it was a horrible thing. And he's just thinking to himself like, man, I lost all my money. That's what he remembers about 911. I don't listen. He's probably one of the only people in the world that remembers what he was doing on 910, I guess. Yeah, yeah.

The best I can give him. And then Suda Pawa says, PokerStars launched on 9-11. Talk about bad timing. I don't think, I mean, it was a very successful site, so I guess the timing wasn't that bad. I don't know. But- People were looking for something to do on 9-11. I think that other one was a joke, by the way,

the one who said that the that there was a gun that you could have in your avatar. And if you had an Easter egg, you could pull it out and shoot one of the opponents on the online poker. I think that person was trolling and making a joke. R.B. Madd said the greatest example of peaceful assimilation of races and cultures is a no. said the greatest example of peaceful assimilation of races and cultures is a no. I've been going to public private poker rooms for more than a half a century and I've never seen, never one time seen any racial incidents, white, black, brown, and yellow people all sitting, working together peacefully, a study in how

people should try and get along. Well, what? That's where the good races get together. Chris, that's where the races get together and solve racism by attempting to take each other's money. Yeah, I don't know that I've ever, I will say like I played in Richmond, extremely multicultural where I grew up.

So like huge, heavy, heavy Asian, Chinese population, South Asian population as well. So I will say that, you know, the poker tables were very multicultural, but everywhere else is as well, really. I don't know that they're unique in that way. Like, I don't know that it's like, I suppose it brings people together, like compulsive gamblers, like a racist compulsive gambler might interact with a person of color just due to their gambling addiction. You know, themselves to do that. Yeah, we found Tom and grab addicted to gambling and lost everything. You know, I got to tell you the very next post guys, guy goes, your mom says we

have an ongoing joke in our private game about how the black guys dominate in February since it's black history month. Someone even set up a timer with a countdown to February 1st. Hilarious. So that's yeah. I mean, my friends and I have a different sort of style of humor that we use. But yeah, I guess that could be funny. We go a different direction with it, but yeah. Yeah, that's kind of a funny joke, I guess. Yeah. I'm sure they, I'm sure they probably are into how you bringing it up every year as well. Yeah, they love it.

Mokr kind of suffers aesthetically from the same thing like, uh, MMA fighting does, and that it attracts like the cancel culture, like, you know what I mean? It just like, for whatever reason, it just kind of draws that element in. And that was always my suspicion. And now you've confirmed the least woke people I've looked at doing this show. And you gotta think of the amount of shows I've done.

And like these guys were the least like they did. They, there were jokes that I was like, Whoa, you can't say that anymore. And they're like from now me, Alex says, coming back from break in a tournament, a friend and I saw a shouting altercation that escalated to one guy pulling out a fork and stabbing the other in the face. Not crazy hard, but it definitely broke the skin. When I sat back down, the stabber had been moved to our table and explained he did it because the dude was wearing a turban and it was a big no-no for their religion to do that while

playing stabby was a couple of tables over and they got into a shouting mat shortly after. So it was, but that's bound to happen when you, cause this is, you know, it's so multicultural and there's, you're going to have so much, so many different cultures there that there's going to be some culture clash, you know, even though they are at the end of the day, going to come together as one. Well guys, uh, this next post from two plus two says, what's the point of playing anymore? No,

with so many exhibits of pure cheating and collusion and shadiness. What's the point in random Joe depositing money and playing? Is this online? This is for an online, I think I'm guessing, right. And they might, because depositing and playing, it sounds like they're referring to. Yeah. Yeah. He goes, yes. They are average Joe's does read forums or look online about the shadiness of each and the individual or site. That's how he says individual or site. So how will they know about the cheating and shadiness that is within these walls? Pokerstar sent me 50 questions or so questionnaire that will make me play more on their site slash bonus.

What would make me play more on their site slash bonuses, etc. Who really wants to play knowing this shit is out there and they allow it. I want to screen name change every three months minimum. So many scandals nowadays. It's really not worth taking the risk. Scandals. And then he goes, he follows up the post right after he goes, I will add, I stopped playing around 2012.

As soon as I knew people had databases of data, hand history on me for free through various sites. So I do believe that there's probably so much cheating in online poker. Oh yeah, I think probably. I wouldn't play it, you know? Well, I'll tell you this, at the sort of dawn of online poker, I'll tell you,

I may have told this story on trailblaze before, but for those that don't listen to trailblaze, I'll tell it here. My friends and I used to go to the computer lab at our college. This is kind of in the infancy of like party poker and some of these like early early like online sites. And we would just all sit at the same table and just sit side by side with each other. That was before like, you know, it would pick up on like IP addresses and stuff like that.

Yeah. And we actually ended up getting in trouble because they had a feature on party fucker where you could send money between accounts. Like some guy would go bust and like, we've just, okay, I'm up. I'll send you 200. You can give me 200 or whatever it was. And we, we drew the hour of the United States secret service visit and pulled us out of class and I'll never forget this as long as I live, agent Josh Fisher of the Louisville secret service field office came to mind and my cousin's apartment. And I wake up that morning and our buddy Vinnie would always come over and we'd walk to class together, whatever.

So here knock at the door, just think it's our buddy Vinnie would always come over and we'd walk to class together or whatever. So here knock at the door, just think it's our buddy. I show up in my underwear and there's two dudes in suits and he goes, Oh man, this reminds me of my first little college pad, you know, the good cop. I was like, Oh, he's like, you guys got a couple of minutes to talk to us. And they showed us their badges and shit. And I was like, uh, yeah, we go there and sit down. The one guy takes me, he wants to talk to my cousin first because his name's Adam Adams. So phonetically he goes, he goes first in most things. So he takes me to my room and says, you got to use the bathroom or anything. I don't know because you got a towel or something.

And he put a towel down underneath the door and made me turn the TV up while they talked to him in the other room. And they took us out there, dude, and basically told us that we have enough right now to put you two away for class D felony organized crime. And they showed us the receipts of every transaction. What was it that you had done that was illegal? Well, here's what it was. The Secret Service.

In addition, I just thought they protected the president, but they also like investigate like finance crimes, like counterfeiting and wire fraud. Joe Reacher does stuff like that. Yeah, right. And then they also online crimes are under their purview. And so what the problem is, is you can't, at the time there was no laws to where you could like tax online gambling earnings.

And usually they were set up at like weird countries like Gibraltar. You've never heard of. And so like that was the rub, but basically in the end, like they basically were just shaking us down and scared us. Like they were not going to slap us to 19 year olds with 20 years or whatever. You know, but like, it was a gnarly experience. Like when somebody says like, we can put you away for 20 years and they showed you a federal badge. Not fun. Yeah. That's fucking scary. That's wild. I mean, that was that was why we I stopped playing online poker was because I realized that you would realize that your point you'd sit down in a room and you're sitting with a bunch of people who are all playing against you. And you just realized that became a huge thing, even like people at different how they'd be on the phone, and they just be at their each of their own house or whatever on like a conference call. And then they're just everyone's playing against you and very hard to win. There's

that really funny I think it's probably a fake thing. But did you see that there's a funny viral post about the guy who would play heads up against his neighbor in online poker and his neighbor didn't realize that he could he didn't realize it was him and that he could see his cards like through the window. So he could actually see his phone. As binoculars. Well, here's an I went to a slot forum, which, you know, I didn't think there were like really hardcore slots. Are you kidding me? Oh, yeah There are people who are obsessed with slots

Well, I posted something about a guy who said he does slots professionally and there were five guys arguing in the in Replies about how you can actually do it There's going off on each other this guy's end grifter says I haven't anywhere in ages. And those who recognize me know that I'm a long time card counter slash advantage player. That's like saying I'm a, I'm an unnatural bodybuilder in recent years. I have increasingly been hearing on the grapevine that more and more bona fide advantage players were focusing on slot machines.

I finally reached out to a couple of people in the know about a year ago and told them, Hey, I'm behind the curb. I need to know what's going on with the machines. And now I know. And on any given day, I play more slot machines than I played in the entirety of my life prior to 2022. My experience in 2022 has been that slot machines blow blackjack away, requiring less bankroll and generating more profit per hour. Also, my wife says it's healthier for me

because I have to stay on my feet moving from machine to machine and casino to casino and not just plop down at a table for a couple of hours. Okay, yeah, my main exercise is moving between machines at the casino. You tell your doctor that Oh, man, I listen advantage playing you're obviously familiar with that, Tom, I can't you can't really do it in America because they use I don't know or you can't do it in Canada definitely because they just use so many decks. So as far as like card counting is impossible because they're using like pit bosses are so sharp. They can spot that kind of stuff. And when it's at a high level. So I will say this. I have, I lived in the Bahamas for a short period of time.

My mom lived there for years and I was over there living for six months. And they had casinos that had one deck blackjack and I played it and I can count one deck and I can count it like the way, I know there's different methods for using it. I count it by actually remembering every single card that's come out. So I have like a photographic memory.

And so I played that and won quite a bit of money. Like, you know, I never like hundreds and hundreds of dollars, I would go there regularly and play. And yeah, they would, you know, I just made sure not to go too crazy with it or anything like that. But it was, it was very, and you can't go that crazy, you know, you're still gambling, because just for anyone who's listening, if you don't know what counting cards is and what the advantage is you basically you start betting more when you get to the end of the deck because you're you know which cards are that so i know the chances of me getting a card here are so much better so i just start

betting higher and it does you know it's not guaranteed that you're going to win every time but you mostly win Every penny in my I would have been in there like I'll bet $2,000 on this Because I just don't have that thing. Here's another guy in the slots message board. Hi everyone I got a problem with 22 bet online casino I'm playing riot slot and I already made 3,000 bets with no win. I got at least 1000 recorders. I don't know what to do. I contacted the support, but they told me to keep playing because it's a lottery. I contacted support and they told me to give give them some more money,

believe it or not. That is pretty awesome, though, like I can get. Listen, if you pulled that many times and didn't get a single win, I mean, that does feel like a lot, but that's part of slots. I don't think you can call customer service when you don't win a gamble. Let me speak to the manager. So this next guy, Frank Neal, I'm responding goes, if you're interested on how to research them,

I'd be qualified to answer that question. So now a guy pops into the thread and he's trying to get this guy to sign up for slot classes. Some glasses. There's shit, man. These are picks of vipers. All of the Reddit, everything. It's just a everybody is trying to fucking get an advantage and

everybody's trying to make money off of you. It is crazy to read. They know they fucking can too because they're dealing with people who are notoriously bad with their money. So they'll throw their money away for nothing. So you're just like, Hey, I take this class and it'll make you a better gambler. They're like, fuck it. I'll throw a thousand bucks at that.

I just fucking gamble that away last weekend. You know, so I don't know who I'm more enraged at the person that would take that class or like the asshole that would like even suggest their, they do it. Well, I thought I get really yelled at. So he goes, so this guy, if you're interested on how to research them, I'd be qualified to answer that question. And then our, our guy that was talking goes, uh, you're a great theorist and you just want to tell stories. I do not believe that you can discover the

purpose and that is how to get a real advantage playing slots. So Frank comes back and goes theorist. I ran a professional slot team with 88 players and. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What do you mean? Who would you play? What do you mean a professional slot? That I do not. I have no idea. Tom, you're that you're a gambling expert here.

Have you ever seen any sort of slot competitions or anything? This is the nerdiest slots. I confess it's not my purview, but that is the nerdiest slots. Confess is not my purview, but that's the nerdiest goddamn thing I've ever heard. It's like, let's let's let's be like the Oceans 11 guys, but for slots. Well, learn how to do slots really well. I mean, and it's all about just like knowing like it's nothing to do it because you're just pulling the lever.

So it's it all has to do with knowing when to sit down at a machine or move machines or I'm guessing. Like I don't even understand what it would be. Like what, what would there be? So Frank says, I worked as a pro beating the casinos for 30 years. I also did game design for some of them. I'm channeling my best New York accent. Do you know who I am? Look at me when I'm talking to you lol. I have many things theorists is not one of them. We used to have to walk the reels and map the physical stops back in the day when then when chip controlled slots became standard. I was responsible for

quote recruiting casino techs to give us the par sheets. We did not use bribery. We called it incentive enhancement. I believe that this man is lying. Number one, but also his advice to this guy is to get a team of 88 guys and start bribing people. Yeah, basically you get it. You got to get a team of minimum 88. I mean, you can get by with 86, but you want 88. 88 is ideal. Yeah. You know, and then you want to start actively. Yeah, you want to go and start doing bribery to the mafia controlled casinos in your area

and just see how that works out for you. We went to arm. I promise you all this. I promise you all this and I hope every guy within earshot hears this. That is one of these guys, anything. Well, one, any advantage that you think that you might could have has been thoroughly negated by bigger fish who are utilizing things like AI and algorithms. Now today, they don't even do it themselves.

Yeah. They don't even do it themselves. My aforementioned cousin, Adam Adams worked for this guy, Billy Walters. He, who just released that the book gambler, uh, a memoir of a life at risk. And Billy Walters is from Montfortville, Kentucky is this guy that started out this hillbilly guy that just started out in these back rooms like a long time ago. And then eventually became so successful and such a good gambler that Vegas casinos, every casino wouldn't take his action. Adam's job was to be his guy in Cincinnati. So Adam would wake

up the ass crack at dawn when they would put the lines for games up and run and get the line before they knew Billy's money was coming in. So they would change the lines. People don't understand how dramatically these lines change. When you go the old school way, when you're like there, when they set the lines, it's it's insane. So by the time it gets downstream, this is what the draft kings and the fanatics guys and the fan duel guys and all these jackasses don't understand. By the time it gets downstream to you, you've lost any

any advantage that you could have had. I see. And yet you think you're like fucking Danny Ocean and you're going to come up with some brilliant scheme to really like crack them this time. You know, you have to get lucky. The truth is you have to get lucky or you get people. There's like nine guys in the world that are successful, like meaningly successful gamblers.

So I went to the subreddit are gambling. The first post I saw was lost four hundred dollars in backerat and feel like a piece of shit. This is a very, very relatable and like non gambling guy post, you know, how a normal person feels when they go gambling. You know lost $400 in back rat and feel like a piece of shit. I started with a hundred and was up 300 and it took hours took hours to build it up and

10 seconds to lose it first first reply from zucchini guilty says part of gambling my friend embrace it. It won't be the last time then the next guy goes these are getting real old you lost a hundred dollars and are making a post about it okay never gamble again so okay so getting a little bit irritated with people posting about losing money i suppose it's yeah you're a gambler you want the board to be positive and people talking about their successes and everyone congratulating each other. Joe Mel says someplace to talk about it. And losing is like what I would think you'd talk about. I mean, I'm sure you know, they

do. And that's like, it's a famous thing. And everybody knows it like, you know, that the gamblers only tell you about their big wins. And I definitely had a friend like that, you know, who, you know, he's always telling you about this, these times, these wins that he's had. And you just think, how are you not a rich, rich man? And that's honestly how you know, they're full of shit because the real gamblers can tell you with remarkable accuracy, every big hand they've lost, but can never tell you about the wins. Like the real big dog. That's the way I would think too. I'm that way too.

Just a very negative. Like everything in my mind is like negative. Like, oh, I remember when I got fucked over on this thing. I don't remember any of the things that I don't plan roulette. I don't remember winning any money at all. I don't remember how I got to 800 bucks, which was a lot for me at the time and still is. Joe Mel says, I lost $1,000 and it wasn't post-worthy, in my opinion.

Well, you just, oh, apparently it was. You just fucking posted it, Joe. You liar. The original poster says, what is an acceptable amount to make a post about? Edit, and I lost four hundred dollars. He doesn't quite understand that he lost one hundred dollars, you know, and it does. There is that thing when you go in there with one hundred dollars

and you turn it into something, you feel like you have that already. But you should. Well, yeah, just to be clear, you do. You can go to the front and you can ask them to exchange it for currency and then you can leave the casino. I promise you. Yeah. And that's what a smart man does. I don't know how you do it.

I don't know how somebody can win and win and win and win and then be like, OK, I'm going to I'm going to go ahead and get out of here. Yeah, I don't know. It is an interesting psychological thing. I'm thinking about when I won like four, I doubled my money or whatever. I don't know. It just gets to a, it got to a certain level where I just kind of said, Hey, I've, you know, I've made a little bit of money now. And then I just left. I'm like, this isn't real money is what happens if I'm up. I'm like,

that's not real money. I'll just bet all that, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think what happens to sometimes for like, like bet all that, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think what happens too, sometimes for like, like veterans of that, you develop this thing, if you're like any good at it and have, you know, some symbols of impulse control is Brian, you remember all the times you can turn your ears off now, Brian, you remember again, with remarkable accuracy, all those times you like ran it up and then

lost it all back. And so you know that in a vacuum, you're going to give that back to them. Yeah. And you have a system even you maybe have a system where you say when I get to this level or whatever I leave, I can never do that. But you better. Yeah. Bankroll management, they call it in the business.

When you say, when I get to this number, I'll leave. I'm like, Oh, I'm hot now. Why would I leave? Oh, buddy, that's, I mean, you are not alone in that. That is a very common thought process in gambling. Like, well, I can't run on a hot streak. I can't leave now. And maybe y'all y'all have hit on something in our current vibes based world.

Maybe that accounts for the proliferation of these gambling sites. This is the golden age. Take advantage of people's emotional problems. Stay sleep. Six, six one says I once lost my paycheck on a coin flip on payday. My coworker followed me to the bank after work to get paid. And then our original poster goes, okay, well, that's just dumb. And then the guy that said he lost his paycheck goes and losing $400 is smart.

And maybe I mean, it's not, but it's not dumb at the same level. I guess it depends on how much you need the money. That's because maybe he didn't need his paycheck. You've wagered half of your income for the month on, on a flip of a coin. I mean, I'm with them. I think that's dumb. That's dumb. Yeah. Frequent weird four, nine, two, five says for real though, people lost hundreds of thousands over their lifetime and suffer quietly at

least. And that I have learned isn't true. I have some dignity. Suffer in silence and tell you inevitably take your own life. Don't tell anybody about it in your whole family. That's the way to deal with. I was very in love with this post bringing $2,000 to Vegas tonight. What's my expected win or loss? This is why though, these are the I can a guy. I'm just answer the guy. Just help them out. What do you mean? Didn't win and lost. He doesn't need a whole thing.

He just wants to know how much you can expect to win or lose. Do you guys feel like there's there like y'all done this long enough? Do you guys feel that there's certain through lines of guys that tie them all together? And it's just a difference of how the certain gene is expressed in the game. And I think that's the thing about the game feel that there's certain through lines of guys that tie them all together? And it's just a difference of how this certain gene is expressed in all of them. I think there is a like there is a certain type of person that gets obsessed with a thing and cannot stop. And that's the it's it's the same sort of thing. Like we've only really been

conditioned to believe that like drugs and alcohol are, and maybe gambling and stuff are only addictive things. But I think that like a guy that gets super into fucking guitars or like Lego or Lego or whatever. Wow. That's different. That's a whole different thing. A guy that gets super into guitars or reptiles or any of these things, it's sex. Yes. It becomes the thing that empties their bank. Like all guys have a thing that empties their bank account, I guess is the thing. All guys have

a thing that, that if they didn't have it, they would have more money. And I mean, not even for the Lego thing. Yeah. I would have a lot more money if I didn't buy Legos all the time. If we're all street wear guys, like we'd probably have a lot more. My foot didn't have street. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I'll go looking for the Lego. I know that I like, I'm like buying these things and I'm like, Oh, I, I could have more money if I did it. But then when I get done, when I start to get done with a Lego set, I'm like, fuck, when I get done with this, I don't have any Legos to do. So then I'm like, Oh, I gotta go get more.

When we talked about it, it was like DB sort of highlighted, you know, how it is very similar to dry, you know, you're like, man, I'm getting down to my last bag, you know, like you're really thinking of it in that same way. Like I need to have that in my life. And these guys think the same way, except for like for them. I think there's this extra component of like there are nights where they go home up. You know what I mean? So yeah, don't have to make it hard for a gambling addiction. Definitely. It is the only addiction where you earn a

lot of money out of it sometimes, you know, it's really like, yeah, as far as like devices go, you know, you're not earning a bunch of money drinking or doing drugs or whatever. But yeah, you could have a fucking life changing night at yours. But even even think about a sword, right? Like, okay, hang on Hold on a second Episode there was a guy who said I have this I have five to ten thousand dollars and

I want to buy a sword that was carried by a samurai in, you know, samurai's like walk the earth and stuff like that. Real sad, Tom. Yeah. And he was dead serious. It was really serious. I like what he sees in his mind when he goes to Japan with his Japanese girlfriend of meet her family. And he's like, Oh, you know, I gotta get this samurai sword. What he sees in his mind is now I have the samurai

sword. And when I show other guys that like swords that I have the samurai sword, they're going to be like, Oh my God, that's a fucking really cool samurai sword. And I just think that like that feeling is that's the feeling that's being chased by a lot of these guys. The guys that buy the $5,000 guitar, the feeling that's being chased isn't that the guitar is so fun to play. It's that other guys that play guitar will see the guitar and be like, Oh shit, that's a really nice guitar. In a way we're seeking community.

Yeah, it is true. Because I think about it with like, if I I do I'm not maybe as much of a hype beast street wear person as you guys are but like if I if I know like I had a really nice pair of uh Gore-Tex high top Air Force 1s that I ordered and yeah like I love them but part of the reason I love them is because other people who have cool shit will be like, Hey, those are fucking cool shoes, you know? And I'm like, yeah, we both know you're you know, cool shoes. I know cool shoes. And it is sort of a community thing. Yeah. I think I told this story on the hype beast episode, but I bought a I got into

palace for a period of time where I was like, Oh, this shit is really cool. And I bought a few palace shirts. And nobody ever said a word to me about the shirts. I still flies a little under the radar, but yeah, I'm buying it. Yeah, you saw that's a cool shirt. But that's like that's that's that's like sort of the two edge and sort of street where it's like both you're seeking the cool guy gays in a way or cool gal gays in a way. But at the same time, like it doesn't, you don't want it to be too, you know, you don't want to tell people you spent $300 on a shirt.

I think it's like, sometimes you don't want to like, you want somebody to see it and say hey That fucking t-shirts really cool and know about it, but you don't want to go Up to a person you're talking to and be like yeah, and then I bought this $300 t-shirt So this guy says he's bringing 2k to Vegas tonight What's my expected winter loss and he goes update nine out of the 10 replies post to this post were negative. One out of 10 was positive. I got too drunk, spent $600 and lost everything, tried to debit more, but got blocked for fraud. So gave up after four tries. Um, so a guy, nice, nice little trip to Vegas. Well, he, at least he's honest. Most of these guys would just say that they like cracked them for like 20K or something.

You know? Yeah. Yeah. This guy, there's a real honesty here. And that does listen. It's makes sense. They will. You know, you're trying to take out money in a foreign place or whatever or somewhere that's not your home. You could definitely get flagged. And yeah, so that it seems like it's a believable. I think what happens is the same thing that happens with the lottery with some of these

guys too, is that they're going to drive. They're driving there with $2,000 and they're like, man, if I turn this into $10,000, you know, I'll pay my rent. I'll pay this. I'll pay that with it and have all this extra money left over. And then the dream just dies. Like some at some point when you're there, the dream dies. And when you're you're making that very last bet. Do you want to know something that's really you want to hear something really fucked up? I don't know what it is, but for some reason, you're just talking about it now and stuff. And I want to be clear, I have a child on the way, possibly born at this point

when this episode comes out, most likely born. And I'm just sitting here thinking to myself, maybe I go to the casino and make a little money. Every time, dude. I think it too. I know what you're saying. I never do. This episode has got me thinking about going to the casino. And I'm not going to do it. Here's a question from somebody on the board that you can tell lost a bunch of money. Can a roulette table be fixed?

Can a man's heart be fixed? You know, let's we got to start with in first. I mean, how many times could it be red in a row? Like, I love that idea that it's like, you know, it has to be black. Now it's been read six in a row. You know, I was in Amsterdam last week and I went into a shady looking casino. When I came to the roulette tables, I saw one table had the last eight numbers were all on black. So I gambled on black and I won.

I repeated this six more times and won every time. So I started to feel really anxious and took my winnings and got out of there. Was this just dumb luck or is it possible the table was fixed straight face? So he won. He won. He's like being trying to be super honest. He's like, listen, I know I won a little money from the casino, but I mean, I sure I deserve this. Seems like maybe I should give some of it back.

Straight face. 3 three says that little ball they spin around that little wooden circle gives zero shits about where it previously landed. Each spin is independent of each other. Mean tweets says, which this is definitely a Trump guy, right? Mean tweets. A good roulette dealer can absolutely hit

within a five number section reliably. This is why they're supposed to look away when they spin. I have a friend who is a roulette dealer can absolutely hit within a five number section reliably. This is why they're supposed to look away when they spin. I have a friend who is a roulette dealer every day for 20 years. He's a sniper with that ball, just like most things that take skill. Do it enough times and you'll become a master. Is that true? No, I'm thinking about this right now, though. I mean, is there any way that that could be like, would you be able to control where that ball goes? Is there any?

I just don't think that's possible. It seems. Does it feel possible? There's too many variables. I would, I would think, you know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, it would be too granular. You'd be getting down into the weeds about the actual weight of like individual casinos, you know what I mean? And all that kind of crap. That's too arcane. That's no. Yeah. Well, let's do something. Uh, what, what, no, we'll do one more, a good, uh, well actually

there's a couple that I really like and, uh, let's go to this one here. Uh, R slash gambling, this guy, you guys are going to like really feel for this guy. My retirement plan is betting on sports. Hi, I'm 22 year old and I want to know if anyone else's retirement plan is sports betting. I mean, you can make millions of dollars doing this. True. I do not know many other ways to make money in this economy than sports betting. I would get a quote real job if they would pay us a livable wage. I already have tens of thousands of dollars of student loans, but in the past month I'm up $4,000 in sports betting. My question is, why doesn't everyone do this? This is such an easy way to make money. I love this community and I'm not trying to

be rude to people outside of it, but to be honest, they're just kind of too lazy and are dumb to sports bet full time. This is a troll post. You think so? Hope you like what's a troll post because like the idea of like saying that they're too lazy to Yeah, you're probably right. I'm into sports bet when that's like known as a real obviously lazy way to make money and talking about the I don't know. This feels like bait. What about it's either bait or or legitimately just like the dumb ramblings of a 22 year old. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I saw it as a 22 year old. He is 22, but he could be lying about that as well. But yeah, if he's 22, there's a possibility it's just a young person who won a couple of times at sports betting and now thinks it's a fucking great thing. Let me tell you something. I was, I can, I did the same thing when I was around the same age, a little younger. When bow dog came out, I hit me and my cousin, we threw a little bit of money in and we were playing poker and doing all these kinds of things. But we, when they started introducing sports betting, we rattled off a couple

of parlays and we thought, okay, we're like, we're gambling geniuses. Now we ran that shit up to like 40 grand at like 20 years old. So we thought we were, and there's a disease that takes a hold of you that makes you think that's the norm and not the biggest sucker bets in the world. That just happened to come together at a weird time and snare you for the rest of your life. Yeah. My friend who I talked about, who was a gambling guy, he was all about the

parlays and I would try to tell him that like, I don't know, man, it seems like. That's not a good way to go. You know, it's very hard to hit those. One of our lay bedding is to like sport these sports beddings sports betting sets with like the, um, what do you call them? Lost leaders or something like that. Like, you know, I'm talking about like something that lures the normies in to like then go, you know what I mean? Yeah, totally.

How about this one? I have, I'm sorry, Brian, go ahead. Oh no, Tom. Uh, how about this one from power move 20 blackjack and walking away. Hi everyone. I consistently go to the blackjack table with $300, $400, turn into How about this one from Power Move 20? Blackjack and walking away. Hi everyone, I consistently go to the Blackjack table with $300, $400, turn it to 2,000 plus and end up losing it all.

First of all, you didn't turn it into $2,000. You did, Brian, you did. No, you didn't, you lost it all. You turned it into $0. No, but you turned it initially, you had that money. I'm telling you, those chips are money, man. When you have those chips initially you had that money. I'm telling you those chips are money man When you have those chips you have the money. I mean you're you it's up to you. You can cash it out So I see it as you lost everything

Well, yeah, the end in the as in like whatever you leave the casino with is what you want. Yeah, that's you know That's fair to say I can't leave the table would be an understatement last summer I won 10% of the nickel bet for about $30,000 and gambled over 75% of it away that night before walking You got a problem. Yeah My question to fellow gamblers is how did you learn to walk away? When is enough enough in the moment I tell myself last hand or I'm leaving after this one, but I always fail Thanks in advance for the replies. Now I would say stop gambling. You are not the you're not the kind of guy that wins. It could be dangerous for you. I feel like if it sounds like you don't have

the impulse control and that you know, you won't be able to stop yourself no matter what the scenario is. You seem like you're a real candidate to lose everything and you know max out all your credit cards and really cause trouble for yourself. Dilly Dilly says it's taken me years and a few hundred thousand to realize that as soon as that inner voice says leaving now is the responsible thing and you'll thank me in the morning go ahead and walk you'll actually be proud of yourself in the morning. That's a guy who can keep gambling. Silent moose says the few times I have managed to walk

with a large winning the money wasn't even the best part. Honestly, it was that proud feeling of finally doing the right thing. Too bad it was far few and far between. So that sounds like over in over a period of time you'd have it done the right left claw North says you don't consistently go to a blackjack table and run $300 up to $2,000. So now this guy's just yelling at him. Just saying that's a lie. I mean it might be. I mean, you know, blackjack is purely really chance. So I mean, maybe, yeah, but to do it regularly seems probably maybe a

poker I would believe it, but not really a blackjack. Yeah. All right, here we go. This was this was the big exciting thing. Like I said, we didn't search wife because one, it would be depressing. And two, I wanted to get these in here. Now in Lexington, Kentucky. There is a place called Red Mile Gaming and Racing. OK, Tom laughs. Tom, what do you think of that? I've spent many an afternoon at Red Mile and it's one of those places. I like it. It's afternoon, not evening.

Well, here's the funny thing about a place like that is like in these guys minds. OK, they all have this image of themselves as like, yeah, like the Oceans Eleven guys or something. You know what I mean? But the reality is, is they're going to places where most people are on oxygen tanks and still chain smoking. It's not, it's not like, it's not like Hollywood. You know what I mean?

That's what Red Mile is. It's a, it's a sad place guys. know what I mean? That's what Red Mile is. It's it's it's a sad place guys. Is it a casino like a full size casino? It's a horse track that they do. Different races. But now that like it's you know, um Horse racing is not necessarily at the top of the food chain in terms of spectator sports They do other things there too. And so now they've expanded casino gambling Like they got slots there and sports betting and obviously they did the same thing.

I didn't. Yeah. They did in Vancouver Hastings race course was a famous one. And they read like in the last couple of years or whatever added like table repurposed it for, yeah. I've thought often cause my grandpa spent like every day at the horse track, you know, like when, when, when he was a kid, a lot of ground busted, I feel. Yeah. Yeah. He spent like every day there. And I've recently

thought like, well, if you're going to bet on something, you know, if you go to the racetrack every day, you're probably going to figure out how some of this stuff works. You might be able to win, but now Tom says it's fixed. You can figure out how it's fixed. That's true. That's a good point. Sean Wharton says one star terrible place takes money all day and night with very little to no decent wins or payouts. Very rare to hear. Is this still red mile? This is a review for red mile.

This is just a review for casinos in general. The house tends to win more than it loses. It seems to be a business. It's quite successful. Yeah. Weird. Go somewhere else with better odds. Andrew Van.

Where else with better odds? How could that be bought? The odds are standard across casino games. I'll tell you. I'll tell you a story about Redmouth off this. Okay. Andrew Van Eck says, waste of money, slot payouts are non-existent, could not even win enough to keep playing, better off pushing the money down the toilet for fun.

Like that's like, make me like, I couldn't even win enough to keep playing. Like, that's the bare minimum they could have given me enough to keep playing. It's like, no, this is a casino. You often lose all your money. It is very, very normal. In fact, you're supposed to. If you're just looking at raw numbers, yeah, you are supposed to. Yeah, I love that. It did one star. Don Earl Corrig says one star. This is a well-cleaned place. But what I noticed was it wasn't full. You know why? They will not even let you play for a while.

I'm like everyone else who loves slots. I like to win, but not even get to play. Sad truth here, if you go there, don't expect to win or play long for that matter. Very disappointed. Go to the Minton Williamsburg people. It's a lot better. What happened?

Why wouldn't they let them play? I think it's bullshit. I don't know. Or there wasn't enough to trust more. They will let you play as long as you want to. Yeah, there's more to this story. As far as why this guy was not allowed to play slots anymore. He was famous.

Yeah, they famously cut people off. Yeah, totally. I think that this guy was causing a disturbance of some kind would be like well Tim Stevenson this is one of my favorite casino reviews maybe one of my favorite reviews ever I really had a bad time coming here bad experience but sorry for the bad review it's fun watching horses race live in September though. Yeah they do do. I tell you that they do. It's not like King, King Lynn's like the posh, you know, kind of nice course across town.

It's where like all the, you know, everybody, like when I was in college, everybody would just get up in their finery and go up there and stuff. And it's more of a party than anything. Red miles, not party. Red mouse kind of like, uh, you know, Workman, like it's people are there putting in work. They're out there. What the strange thing about it is, is before they put the sports book in, I could just, I would just go there and like, just, I'm kind of telling on myself.

Now I've just got to there and, you know, kind of hang out at my lunch break, eat a hot dog and bet a couple of carriage races or something, you know? Yeah. Now with the sports book, like it is the way it's set up. Like it's just like in this like cul-de-sac and you it's impossible to get in and out of that. Like the first day they did it, I was like, I have not seen red mile this often ever. It's really depressing. Usually I wonder how big, how popular, like we have the river rock. The one I talked about that, that I, um, used to river rock, the one I talked about that,

that I used to play poker at is in Richmond, just outside of Vancouver. It's where I grew up in Richmond. It's like really nice. It's like a big, super nice casino, like sort of renowned. I haven't been there in a long time though. Like I wonder, I think they stay steady doing good business. You know, I think that they're always full. Uh, this person says one star, three of us go together, go there every time and never even win or break even. And then there's 20 times this whole, I can't read this and been there 20 times. So they've been there 20 times and they've never won or even broke even this.

I'm going to start going to Ohio to play a lot better and more fun. Won't be back to red mile. First of all, Ohio is no better. Like I, I, I, I hate to tell you. We also have gross casinos. Yeah. I mean crossing state lines to go lose your money. Like these guys are like my fortunes will change if I just find the right arena.

Yes. I love these guys are like my fortunes will change if I just find the right arena. Yes. Well, our next casino is called Park Vancouver casino resort. So that is the one downtown. That's the one that I went to that I was talking to that I went to after I did the comedy show not the River Rock. This is a different one right in downtown Vancouver. It's very, very high end.

This one like really nice. The hotel is it's right beside the stadium as well. Murr, Mets Murr says, one star, yesterday I went to play blackjack and for the first time I encountered the fact that the pit decided not to accept my money in denominations of $5. He sent me to change them to the department

where they changed chips. There they told me to go back to the table and I returned, but pit still refused to accept my money. I had to go to guest service and explain the situation after which they called the manager. He helped me with this issue, but my whole mood was very spoiled. In the end, I lost all my chips because I was thinking more about what happened than about the game.

That sucks when the pit boss, when the pit bosses will do that, they'll get in your head before they're told to by the game. That sucks when the pit boss when the pit bosses will do that they'll get in your head before they're told to by the casino like you want to really get in their head. Fuck with them a little bit send them all over the place that way they'll they won't be equipped to gamble properly and we can easily take their money. I love the idea that like my whole mood was spoiled so that's why I lost all my chips. It turns out my money and $5 bills is not the money they want ruin the whole evening and the whole mood. I really don't recommend going to this casino as they can ruin your whole mood before you even start playing and enjoying the process.

I like how these people, they, they, they think this is an entertainment product they're buying. Yes. You know what I mean? It's like they act like they're going to like a concert or some sort of event where they're supposed to like, the whole thing is supposed to cater to their experience and it is not just a fun way to max extract your income from it. Right. They think that like, you know, I'm going to go talk to the manager because I'm losing or like these place would be really fucking fucked up if they knew that I lost money and I'm sad about it. You know what I mean? Where it's like, no, that is like

literally what they're trying to do. They're, they want your money and they don't care if you feel sad about it. Nobody cares about your feelings. And I'm telling you, if you're looking for community of that you're no, no, Ivan says, uh, this place sucked my a hole. They were rude and arrogant and refused to pay out my lottery ticket when on the excuse that the signature on my ID was different than the one on the ticket. So that is something probably he's trying to get over on. Not nice.

Yeah. Sounds like they caught you trying to commit fraud. Not nice at all. On top of that, they made me go to the Metro town BCLC in order to get paid. What a pair of losers. I don't know. I will say that. And so Metro town, that's my favorite mall. That's the mall. I love going to God. I might go there today to be on a metro. But it is nowhere near. You to hop on the SkyTrain like that's in Burnaby. It's in a different city altogether. So that is a little bit annoying to have to go all that way to.

Oh, wait. Now I'm just realizing I think this is a different casino. I don't think this is the one that I'm thinking of. OK. Yeah. Well, River Rock Casino was the one a lot of the bad reviews said to go to. So this yeah, that's the one I talked about. That's the one in Richmond that I and he goes Michael Bowden says one star this has to be one of the more boring casinos for anyone under 60 years old in Vancouver. The lounge stopped seating anyone or allowing anyone to sit at the bar at 9pm. The lounge closes at 10pm.

There's a lineup of young and middle-aged people waiting to be seated and spend money, but we were all turned away. The service and hotel were generally fine overall, but it's a boring casino. If you want a good time, you're better off going to park or grand villa. And finally, Yeah, so it just sorry. I know it doesn't matter. Park is the downtown one.

Grand Villa is the other one that I thought they might be referring to that's in Burnaby. River Rock is the Richmond one that I went to when I was a kid. So finally we're going to go to the Hollywood Casino. Yeah good. The last casino we're going to go to is Hollywood Casino in Columbus, Ohio. That is the one that I go to when I go. You've been here but you've been there a few times. Yeah, like three or four times. I don't go to Hollywood and Cincinnati. Yeah. They're not, they get the first time I went,

I didn't have any money, but I just drank free pop the whole time, which was nice for me because if I had money, I think somebody gave me like two bucks. And I, one of the guys I went with was like, here's two, three bucks you can play. Cause I didn't have no money at the time. Um, probably not. Pepsi.

You won't pay. I did. I went crazy on it too. Kevin Cottle says one star. This is the fourth bad review in a row. I've given, I'd give zero stars if I could. So wait, he's saying he's given four bad reviews to that. This is that. Yeah.

Stop going to. Oh, that's right. You're addicted to gambling. Oh, yeah, that's right. You can't actually. I apologize. You know, it's like once you've written your third bad review, they're like, we're never losing this guy as a customer. Yeah, no, no, he'll be back. That's like the sex club guys. That's the only other group

of people that I saw that would go to a sex club, have the worst experience of all time, and then go back and try to spend $90 at the sex club. And it was like, it was crazy. Went last night to three 24 and played the Buffalo train game ended up losing over 900 bucks. I got I have to I have to step in. I have to step in if you're losing like rent money on something called the Buffalo train game. Come on. I understand if you've played in a lot of home games and you

want to like take your chance at like, you know, playing Omaha or hold them or something like poker tables and like you think you've got in a lot of home games and you want to like take your chance at like, you know, plan Omaha or hold them or something like poker tables. And like you think you've got a grasp of something. OK. But if you're playing novelty games. Yeah. That are just that are literally just there, like almost like going to a coffee shop and get like, you know what it is. Public that game. I yeah, it's just I don't know what it is, but what it sounds like is just some like

new slot machine. You know, yeah, I'm looking at but I don't I don't want to cast dispersions because I know brains are weird and people like and God knows I've got my own impulsive things that I do. But losing nine hundred dollars on a slot, this is the shit out of me. So he goes, uh, I'm getting ready to Sue due to the fact that this is the fourth weekend in a row. I've got completely wrecked. Here's an example.

This pick is halfway through the 51. He takes a picture of the thing. This pick is halfway through the 51 free games. I ended up getting notice. I'm at 19 bucks at the 22 free at the 22 free game mark. I only ended up with $26 after 51 free games ended. So out of the last 29 free games, I only won seven bucks. How do I only win $26 on a two cent demon dollar 50 bet and 51 free games? Also, how do I spend 900 bucks and only $1 26? Question ask yourself

Like you're asking the right question you're gonna sue the casino Like the amount of people that have thought about that or gone to like, uh, you know, only to be laughed out of the law for, he goes, got another bonus that had 28 free games and paid me 10 bucks. I've been collecting evidence that this casino is clearly cheating. It felt like I was being robbed, spent hundreds of dollars to get a bonus and then the bonus is a slap in the

face. Every single time you'll be hearing from my attorney. And also, my attorney has already contacted the Ohio Gaming Commission. Do not come here. Not only honey, don't bother making dinner. I'm going to gather some more evidence at the casino. Just tried to bolster our case here. Maybe I got an airtight case here. There are. our case here. This guy can't be real. I think that these are like fake posts, but it's like maybe some of them maybe they

aren't and I'm just sort of overestimating gambling guys. Guys real this guy I read his other reviews and stuff. This guy's very real to sit him down and say to him, listen, these are games that somebody made up at some point, okay? And they tell you upfront that you can, I mean, this is, this is a matter of record. This is not conjecture. The odds are against you and yeah, almost all of them. You are supposed to lose. Nobody's cheating you.

You need help. You're cheating. Yeah, you're cheating yourself and you need to be able to stop yourself from doing it. And if it's causing you so much distress and you're losing money that you need or causing you to like feel like you need to bring civil litigation against them.

Yeah, you should just do a different hobby or whatever. Can you imagine the kind of lawyer that you would get if you're a guy that lost $900 on the Buffalo Train game? Yeah, yeah. It's a guy he knows. We all know it's a guy that he just knows. You know what I mean? And his tie is never like fully tight. You know, it's always a little loose. My turn has already contacted the Ohio gaming. I know this place is a joke.

Also, I'm hip to the fact that you turn the machines down on free play days. See you in court. There's two more left here. Here's one. Do yourself a favor and go somewhere else. This place is so tight. You won't even feel like you're going to win. And isn't that the whole point of gambling? No, not beautiful sentence. That feeling is what makes it fun. If you're new to the casino and I

don't know your face, you may actually win something since they want to hook you up. So you come back. But if you're there, they're individually catering it. Like they have like facial recognition stuff, or there's people who are like identifying and saying, that's a new person. We'll let them win a little bit. Like that's quite an operation. That's what this Ohio, the Ohio casino goers. I mean, there were so many reviews, but he goes, but if you're a regular, forget it.

You'll pay out a lot and maybe win a small percentage back. They say this place is regulated by the state, but I don't believe it at all. And finally, Jay, the truth stone says, uh, one star stay home or go to Vegas. I'm from Vegas and these machines play nothing, nothing like a real machine. You just don't win. I'm a bit of an expert. I actually lived in a little place called Las Vegas. Have you ever heard of it?

I actually did live in Las Vegas. And let me tell you, the slot machines are about the same everywhere. They're all really dumb. It's really bad, and you lose almost all the time. Yeah, every slot yeah I've ever played no matter where I was I always lost never got a dime on a slot machine in my life never won anything the Josh Androski is the only man that ever did

yeah yeah yeah yeah he did he won like a million bucks right or something like that the people that give this place a good rating have never been to a real casino so he's using his experience as a, you know, you guys think this is good, but that's just because you guys are ignorant. Sure. In Ohio, you're not in Las Vegas, Las Vegas. Everything's better. Yeah. You hayseeds don't know how it's like out here in the desert west. Yeah. They pay over there. They take my money with class. I wonder if they take my money. I do wonder if like the reason people have this idea in their head that they win more in Vegas,

so they're literally they're playing all day every day for a week or however long they're there when when they gamble here. They go on Saturday after work for two hours and they're like, these slots are fucking tight. You know what I mean? Like the more you play, the more you win. Not not overall. Yeah, more chance of lose overall if you play longer, but you'll have wins in in the you know, like you'll have small wins throughout. Yeah, I also don't think you should just I think you shouldn't expect to go home with money if all you're going to do is slots. And I do roulette, so I'm fucking stupid. But I feel like there's some, I don't know why I feel like there's some skill in roulette for some reason.

Like there is none at all. So the, the yeah, that's what we used to do when we would go to the river rock, like not midnight or whatever, when we weren't playing poker, if we were playing blackjack, we would go and we would go to the River Rock, like not midnight or whatever, when we weren't playing poker, if we were playing blackjack, we would go and we would have a hundred dollars and then we would say our eighty dollars or whatever. And we say this is our night out and this is what we're spending and we wouldn't spend past it. So we would just say like there's no ATMs, you know, once it's gone, it's gone. You can go hang around then, like, you know, go over, watch the show or whatever. But like, yeah, and I would stick to it. I would, I wouldn't

go back. That's the only healthy way you can do that. And that's only if you know, you can like just walk away. Totally. It was like, it was like, we thought of it as like a night out, like you were saying, like, we really did think of it. Okay, we're spending 80 or $100 to come to the casino and have our night out like you would at a club or whatever. And if we win, we win. If not, we don't. Yeah. Yeah.

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