Guys: With Bryan Quinby - Guys: Episode 8 - Bourbon Guys with Chris James and Tom Sexton

Episode Date: April 4, 2023

From the day that I announced this show people were asking me to do a bourbon guys episode, well, you got it. The guest is a true kentucky gentleman from The Trillbillies, Tom Sexton! We looked at the bourbon sub-reddit Reviews of bourbon Some reviews of the Kentucky Bourbon Trail  Go to patreon.com/murderxbryan for more of me Tom is @thetrillbillies on twitter and Trillbilly's patreon Of course Chris is Not Even a Show Patreon Music by Zacharay Fairbrother twitter.com/avantlard See you next week with Discovery Channel Guys

Welcome to Guys, a podcast about guys. I am Murder Brian. Oh my God, I fucked it up and said Murder Brian. Well, anyway, that is actually what people call me so fuck it and with me today i have my son chris james you're my son this week you were my dad last week i wasn't your dad i was your life partner i think oh yeah well no because next week when they hear the metal detector guys i think i say you're my dad oh i see you dude you did say dad oh so this is like a running bit that you're doing

is that is that safe to say oh no hey sorry i didn't i don't like to pull back the curtain but i think everyone sort of clued in there hey we got a runner we got a runner and i think they liked it as well no i'm happy happy to be here to talk about, uh, something that I, I no longer drink at all and never really did me neither. And I brought an expert only. There's only one guy you would bring in to talk about bourbon guys. And that is Kentucky's most famous son, Tom Sexton from the trailbillies. What's up, Tom? Thanks for having me guys this is also the only podcast i've ever invited myself on but i heard bourbon guys i said no i have to be

part of that i've never done that it's typically beneath me but not today i would generally have picked you because of the bourbon trail like i you would have been like the perfect guest because i didn't want to bring somebody on like like it doesn't seem fun to bring on an actual bourbon guy because i don't i think they're like the least cool guys in the world oh okay so you're kind of you're coming out early here with your feelings on bourbon guy i thought we were gonna build up to being me brian's wasting no time i will say the fact that you asked to to come on will make uh potential future guests stephan heck feel a little bit better because he did uh corner me on the go off kings live uh twitch stream and asked to come on an episode.

I'm not even the host. I just haven't. I have like I'm sort of affiliated with and he cornered me and asked me and he kind of got dressed down by past guest Jesse Farrar, who's a co-host of Go Off Kings to sort of laid him out for that. So it's going to make him feel a lot better. Although I feel like yours much more appropriate because yeah you see bourbon guys you're thinking this is you know this is a type of guy definitely whereas stefan's just like i don't even know i just want to come on you know these next weeks oh no he's not will menaker's next week's guest so or the week before this guys who fucking knows where these are going but uh yeah stefan is going to be here soon uh but like i think

so after reading a lot of message boards and reddit stuff the one of the main things that made me hate these guys in a way that i haven't really hated any of the other guys is that they all call their wife their lady And it really irritates me It's a little Yeah it is a little Yeah it is The bourbon culture is adjacent to the You know

By your own admission how you used to dress Fuck you too Fuck you both for this Chris Did you ever drink bourbon Well I was the kind of i was the kind of a drinker i guess you would say that when i'm out with the with the fellas out at a function

that i guess i would drink whatever was available to me to the point where i was very drunk and i didn't know what was going on anymore so i imagine i drank bourbon and sometimes but never the like first thing that i would choose to drink you know i would never go out and purchase it myself what's the famous kind what's the famous guy oh shit like like no no no i mean like van winkle no i don't know any of these like what's isn't there any that are like really well known like across you know like like across the world like someone like some dumb canadian like me would even know jim bean oh like makers mark yeah that's it makers mark jim bean so i think probably i had that kind of crap but i don't know that i ever drank like proper good bourbon in my life

you know how i can tell you haven't is that you keep saying this word drink instead of imbibe yeah a bourbon man imbibes chris oh my apologies he partakes i'd like to partake or imbibe in some spirits is that a real imbibe what is that is that just means drake or yes yeah but they say it like i decided tonight that while i was watching tv i would imbibe in some blantons or something and you're like it's like any of this it's like an old-fashioned feel they have like sort of like a classic man they that's what they like to self-identify as like a classic man yeah i think that's right i think yeah i think it's like the thing about

bourbon the thing that really sort of underscores the whole deal is like this uh it's like heritage brands right it's like the same type of guy that wears like salvaged denim jeans only you know that they like knock off in japan from hey i'm not saying there's anything wrong with that what the fuck is going on everything i've ever said in my life is coming back brian is such a guy brian is such a guy well if there's one thing i've taken from. It's that we're all the type of guy. Yeah. You know, it's sometimes several types of guys.

And sometimes there's a guy that you didn't even know you were that you realize that you were. Sometimes there's a guy that you're fighting not to be, you know, there should be several. I've said this before. This is actually interesting. I think it's more important that you're I think it's less weird to be several types of guys than it is to be one type of guy because i've i've found over the episodes we've done of this that like when these guys make their whole thing like when you make your whole thing bourbon that's fucking weird man that's first of all it sounds kind of like alcoholism but you're gonna be drunk a lot if your whole thing's bourbon the thing about bourbon guys though is i feel like it might

be less about alcoholism and more about like status right like because they like i think up until a few years ago bourbon was the world's third most expensive liquid behind crude oil and printer ink so it's like a lot of it has to do with like yeah chasing these status symbols and stuff like that i mentioned van winkle earlier like van winkle the van winkles are sort of like you know the the big dogs of the bourbon world like the most sought after bourbon in the world is pappy Van Winkle. And it comes in several different iterations. But like. Now the patriarch of that family, that's Rip. Fucking.

I'm sorry. I apologize. I'm telling us real information. Well, no. Well, that is actually their tenure is called Old Rip Van Winkle. And it's on the label. It says asleep many years in the wood. And he's there with the beard and Old Rip Van Winkle. Okay. Yeah, it's on the label. It says asleep many years in the wood, and he's there with the beard and everything.

Oh, yeah. Okay. My joke didn't even work, basically. No, no. So, yes. Yes. I did look up Happy Van Winkle the other day when I decided I was going to do this. And, uh, if you look it up on, on, um, website, Google, you will find like, okay. So old rip Van Winkle 10 year, 107 per proof bourbon whiskey costs on taskers.com $986 and 99 cents. Like that is is That's how much that one is

And then And I'm learning that some of this shit is also fake Like that People fake some of these things I was figuring Tom you have to have heard Of somebody faking Oh yeah you could get So I live in Lexington Kentucky

Which is like not necessarily the epicenter But it's very close i would say louisville and on down the road a little bit is probably the epicenter but there's like distilleries within the stones though from where i live and so there's all these like bourbon meetup groups and so now the thing that's happened in the last couple years since like the proliferation of like all the popularity of the bourbons and everything is like scammers so you got bourbon scammers now that will sometimes they'll figure out how to like they'll get like a like a van winkle bottle for example and fill it up with something that's close like weller like weller

is famously like very close to van winkle because it comes from the same fucking barrel but it's way cheaper and there's no way you would know i i just i hear about these guys i read about these guys and i just i gotta tell i there's no fucking way you know it's like if if if in my hot in my hobby which i'm embarrassed to say now on a show about bourbon uh legos like if i ordered legos on the internet i feel like you guys are laughing at me if i ordered legos on the internet and they came i i wouldn't know if they were uh if they were different or not and i can guarantee these guys don't know the difference between like are you tasting your lego i don't think that's like that's

necessarily it you know but i understand what you're saying yeah that i i would think that if it comes from the same barrel now call me crazy so then what what is the difference in those two why is one significantly more expensive why that what literally no difference the difference is how long it stays in the barrel okay also the other thing is a lot of people think that van winkle bourbon is just made in like van winkle barrels and it's this that and the third it's not it's called julian van winkle goes to buffalo trace distillery and he dips his little cup in a couple of barrels that fit their what they call the flavor profile or the mash bill.

Sometimes they'll call the mash bill, like these specific like specifications and it's whatever he likes is what becomes Van Winkle and whatever he doesn't like becomes Weller. So it's the same. So it's a distillery that just, just those two though, just those two companies get their uh bourbon from there because i'm so ignorant it's a ton of different brands tons of different brand getting

it from the same from the same barrels yeah same barrels and then so it's just a matter of how long it sits after that or how long it's been sitting before that or how long yeah just how long it's been aged overall so like for example if you have a 15-year whiskey, he'll go to the 15-year barrels and see what, you know what I'm saying? Like, okay, this is going to be Van Winkle this year or whatever. That's so silly. Yeah, it's totally on the whims of what one guy likes on a particular day. And this is what these guys are, like,

taking out second mortgages on their house to impress their poker. I love him so much. Like today, do these guys like idolize? Oh, he's a, he's a God, dude.

He's a God. And then the funny thing about Julian Van Winkle is I really liked Julian Van Winkle. He's really fucking cool because he kind of like heckles the nerds a little bit. Like he, he goes out of his way to tell people you don't need Van Winkle bourbon i drink maker's market home well that's what i'm reading i'm reading like on caskers they have reviews and i'm looking at right now the reviews for van winkle special reserve lot b

12 year old bourbon whiskey and uh i'm reading this guy who says, what an utter waste of money, time and hype. Very mediocre bourbon. All hype. No value. Lot B is a $60 bourbon at best. And that's being kind. And then the next one is. I got to say something.

The funny thing about that is, is Lot B was like a $40 bourbon. But these fucking nerds drove up the market so much that now it is. So yeah, you're right. But it's people like you that, you know, why do you have to pay that price? It's funny to think about like, like, it's funny to think about this guy, right? His name's whiskey glass. Uh, be warned. These van Winkles are just okay. They're good, but there's far better or comparable drams out there for far less money or what are the streets i don't know what are the streets saying then what are the streets saying is the actual best you know a high-end whiskey or is there any consensus on that is it just sort of a matter of it's definitely van winkle chris it's it. It's 100% the thing that they're looking for.

So when you go to these sites where they buy the old, you know, like that last one I just read that was a bad review, $1,111.99. putting $1,111 at 99 cents on his credit card getting it like shipped to his house putting it down pouring it into a glass drinking it and being like that should have been $40 and it fucking makes me laugh every time

yeah he's just like ah yeah that's not great and then but his money's gone I fucking love it so I went to quora to see what kind of questions they have about bourbon and and what kind of bourbon guys maybe we can find and and this is this is the first one i read jack daniels used to be a very classy whiskey frank sinatra drank it that tells the tale right there i mean that guy was mr smooth so jack daniels is is bourbon tennessee whiskey it's tennessee whiskey it has to be from kentucky to be bourbon okay because

i've tried i i would drink jack daniels before for sure you know when i was like younger a teenager whatever and i was like yeah jack you know i just thought it was cool for whatever reason i don't even know why but yeah that's not bourbon okay well this guy said because the packaging is cool i mean i found like one of the things the bourbon guys have decided is if the bottle looks cool it's nerdy to buy it like you shouldn't buy it because bottles that look cool mean that the whiskey's not good so they'll be goofing on each other in their forums about buying good looking good looking bottles they're supposed to be like really bad and like the bottle's supposed to like look like shit or what or just like not be really nondescript it's supposed to be really nondescript

it does it's supposed to just look like i think it's just supposed to look like the bottles that they've had since the 70s or whatever like you can't change it but he goes but this guy's uh now people say it's not what is the modern day equivalent of jack daniels and uh the guys like jack daniels old number seven is the modern day equivalent of jack daniels old number seven and then he goes like this jack is the same as it ever was stating that jack was very classy because sinatra drank it as not being very nice to the whiskey. Sinatra was a no shit, full blown alcoholic. He was one of those guys who unscrews the cap from the whiskey bottle and throws it away because he knows he'll never need it again.

OK, the dude drank a full bottle of Jack Daniels and smoked two packs of unfiltered camels every single day. The reason Sinatra drank Jack is because comedian Jackie Gleason recommended it as a good place to start. When he decided to start drinking whiskey, he liked it and stuck with it. He only stopped drinking and smoking at times when he was preparing to record an album. The rest of the time he even smoked and drank while performing live. preparing to record an album the rest of the time he even smoked and drank while performing live what was what has happened is people have discovered better whiskeys than jack jack is what i referred to as cooking whiskey it's not a bad 20 tipple especially in mixed drinks but there are nicer whiskeys if you plan to sip it neat so that guy just said frank sinatra is full of which i really like because i also feel the same way. And I think he's right about I think he's documented as being a bit of a lush. And so I think that sort of tracks, you know, that he but but I also think he probably drank other bourbon and stuff as well. I would guess. Oh, yeah. I would drink all kinds of stuff.

Let me give you Chris O'Leary answering a question. He says, should I try bourbon if I like scotch seems like a step down um wow across the bow okay i don't know if we needed that you know it's rude no need to divide it is like a bit of a divide and conquer or something like that um okay let's hear what he has to say oh for fuck's sake that's like asking if you should try fried chicken because it seems like a step down from rotisserie which i would i don't know i go the other way around on that like rotisserie is basically the worst kind of chicken um what i mean rotisserie is what are you talking about fried chicken is better than rotisserie check you get good fried chicken rotisserie chicken is grocery store chicken chris but it's good what the reason that's in the grocery store

is because the masses have agreed that it's a wonderful way to consume chicken i mean i love a grocery store making notes about his accommodations for brad's business no grocery store chicken yeah right i i um i will say though that i i live with my partner ariel now and she makes really really good chicken not rotisserie chicken and i much prefer it to the to the but yeah i mean fried chicken is delicious not obviously not so good for you though bry i know that's why i'm so unhealthy and he goes of course you should try bourbon if you like scotch. And no, bourbon is not a step down from scotch. Jim Beam is a step down from the Balvenie. Just as J&B is a step down from Blanton single barrel bourbon. Scotch is a way of making whiskey. Bourbon is a way of making whiskey. People make absolute

shit versions of both people make amazing versions of both so i kind of like that but then this next question is what is your opinion of bourbon i want to give you this david heath answers hideous stuff it's like drinking the water that has been soaked in two week old grass clipping so that was our question harsh now i i could i and just tom i'm gonna go real far back here but you know you're talking about the meller is that the other one what was the other one what was the van winkle what was the second the second type of bourbon? There was, there was Van Winkle. And then there was the, the lesser one, you know, the one that was smart. No, no, no. Just the one that like, when, if it didn't, if it was Weller, Weller, Weller, sorry. So,

so what if Weller was, was aged 25 years and Van Winkle is aged 25 years. It's literally the same stuff. Same stuff. It's just different. However long it stays in the barrel, the flavor profile. Yeah. But if they both literally the same stuff the same stuff it's just different however long it stays in the barrel the flavor profile yeah but if they both had the same okay right but if yeah like but like you say if they both stay in the barrel the same amount of time they are in essence the same whiskey but what they would cost different well i don't there's well i think it's a hypothetical because there is a 25 year

well there's a 12 year well there's some older wellers antique weller is another one but um but yeah i guess you know if if if they did it would be the same yeah i got you okay sorry that was really i was just thinking about that but tom you had something that i think you wanted to say before i well the thing is is that okay so i've bartended for a while and I'm also a bourbon guy emeritus. And the thing that all bourbon guys know is that like all bourbons are like, if you like bourbon, all of them are pretty good. You know what I mean?

I, I prepared for this show by razzing people on Twitter and saying this because that, you know, the the the sort of Twitter prompt du jour was what's your alcohol take? That was like whatever, cancel or whatever. And I said that more or less all bourbons are like there's not a huge gulf in quality. So when these guys are over here talking about it, there's some absolutely shit bourbons like that. When these guys are over here talking about it, there's some absolutely shit bourbons.

Like, dude, I know of, I shouldn't say I know him, but I know of the master distiller for Old Forestry. He passed away a few years ago, and the man swore by very old Barton, which is like a very bottom shelf, like $9 bottle of bourbon. You know what I mean? That's what he drank off the job. you know what i mean like that's what he he drank off the job so it's like if it's good enough for that guy who who really is one of like five guys in the world that might can tell you know like huge differences between these whiskeys it's good enough for your like hobby ass are these these guys are all a bunch of fucking bullshit art like these guys are just fucking bullshitting themselves they're lying to themselves and trying to like convince themselves that they're ah okay this is funnier to me now let's read some more of these fucking reviews well uh i here let's listen to this guy

fred minnick tom have you heard of fred minnick uh i think i have heard of fred he's the top bourbon youtuber yeah he's like yeah i think uh i have buddies so i'm friends He's the top bourbon YouTuber. Yeah. He's like, yeah, I think, uh, I have buddies. So I'm friends with a lot of bourbon guys. Like basically all of my friends are bourbon guys and they love Fred Manick. So, Oh,

he's, he's found one of the big dogs. So here we go. Uh, let me just play this out a little bit. So what's happening here is that, uh, Fred Manick believes that bourbon social media is under attack from the World Health Organization.

The woke health organization? Yeah, I mean, he's not happy. So here we go. Is that they are really against the digital advertising of alcohol. Against the digital advertising. Of alcohol. Targeting advertising on social media. Is especially effective at using such data. With its impact strengthened. By social influencers.

And sharing of posts. Between social media users. Another thing that they highlighted. So he's pretty mad. Because he's one of those people. And the World Health Organization. Is like really coming down. On these people.

Was sponsorship of sporting events. They also highlighted the focus of marketing to specific audiences. Now, in the world in which we live, I am shocked that no one has called them out on this. This is something that is very, very specific. They say that a lack of regulation to address cross-border marketing of alcohol is a particular concern for children, of course, and adolescents, absolutely, of course. And at the end, it mentions heavy drinkers, but right there in the middle, it says women. Okay he's he's saying that the world health organization is concerned about advertising to these different people and children of course you do not want to

advertise to children uh you do not want to it's just pointless your dollars are wasted yeah they have barely any money and they can't even they got to get someone to boot for them at the liquor store anyways yeah but but here this is this is where fred minute goes woke and they basically are advocating for not advertising toward women uh i find you know there's a lot there's a lot of groups out there that are focused on increasing the role of women in whiskey. And hell, I wrote a book called Whiskey Women. Sorry, that was funny. The role of women in whiskey is just funny. I mean, I guess it's true. It is just a thing. And I guess it makes sense. But it is funny to hear that sentence.

I do, too. I love it. He's going to say he wrote a book. I'm also going to say, you know, I didn't expect to hear that from a guy with what wearing what appears to be an American flag neck gaiter. But yes, yes, he is.

It's actually Tom. He wears ascots. I don't. It's not a neck gaiter. He wouldn't do that. That's not cool. He wears ascots a don't it's not a neck gator he wouldn't do that that's not cool he wears ascots a lot of which is okay then that's cool that's not so cool oh okay so i just need to clarify he's wearing like uh what i call the all-star uniform this is like the platonic ideal of like

the hip southern man it's like dirty ball cap beard beard, uh, quarter zip and like, uh, you know, sort of a, uh, shucks affect to him. You know what I mean? Yeah. I love the way he, he, I mean, uh, I find, you know, there's a lot, there's a lot of groups out there that are focused on, um, increasing the role of women in whiskey and hell I, I wrote a book called Whiskey Women. I'm all for women getting more involved. Maybe I'm reading too much into this. I think that's a safe assumption, Fred. He's talking about whiskey like it's Black Lives Matter.

Yeah, he seems to have lost a little bit the thread on what he's actually talking about here. He has a lot of whiskey behind him though i will say that for anyone you guys just listening he has a lot of whiskey behind him and i'll say a lot of those bottles don't look very good at all so i would imagine that's some really good stuff i like how he's got the dirty work boots up on the shelf too yeah yeah he does have his dirty work boots up there which does seem like i don't know i don't i wouldn't put my dirty work boots up on the shelf well that's i i'll bet you if you asked him he

said that's my daddy's work boots you know yeah but it's like everything else his job is tasting whiskey yeah but maybe he had a job before possibly maybe that's to like remind him of his you know his working class roots and the fact that you know maybe that's the whole i mean i don't know it does seem a little bit it's a little weird to me chris can i tell you that like i threw away every single thing every single piece of what reminds me of working a real job like as soon as i was done oh of course i mean you i don't know who you i mean i worked my whole job i was worked as like a warehouse you know lifting boxes for many many years and just outrageously awful jobs and yeah i i was i was not saving my work boots to showcase them anywhere.

That's for sure. No, I want it. I thought it was the best thing in the world when I threw my Carhartt bibs away. I was like, yes, yes, man. I don't have to wear those anymore. It sounds to me like the World Health Organization does not want brands to market to women. They get more specific to this a little later in the report. While three quarters of alcohol that the world drinks is consumed by males, alcohol marketers tend to see the lower rate of women drinking as an opportunity to grow their market, often depicting drinking by women as a symbol of empowerment and equality.

They organize corporate social. OK, all right. This guy is pretty cool on the top. He is very cool. You want to hear a little boy kind of kind of looks like a little boy with a beard. You know what I mean? He doesn't look very manly. I will say that

it doesn't he's not what i expected as like the number one whiskey guy on youtube it's interesting you say that because he does have uh like he he sometimes will wear like uh like here i got a video of him looking normal like totally fucking normal, what was your job that you wore those things for? Car hearts? Yeah. Cable guy. Oh, yeah. Cable guy.

That's so funny to think of you like Jim Carrey. I should say, too, I bet it was exactly like Jim Carrey. Nothing. I did work warehouse jobs that were good, too. It was when I got to drive the forklift. I didn't have to lift the boxes. That was fucking fun. But the box ones brutal yeah i hated climbing poles so much chris that like the day that i was able to get rid of those boots that i climbed poles in i was so happy and i was never going to display them and i i don't also don't think it's that impressive that you won't work if you think that

yeah if you if you ever think about getting into politics can i just say that some you should incorporate in some way the slogan like brian used to climb the poles now he's looking to climb the poles that's perfect perfect it's like because you now have that slogan It's like you almost have to do it Yeah you almost have to get it And I know there's probably a lot of stuff you've done That would make it real hard for you to get involved in politics As it would for me as well

I haven't done anything really that bad Really? No not really Me neither I was joking Here's fred talking about dry january january i want to start with saying i i never ever want to interfere with someone's sobriety you think he's gonna say but oh there's a heavy butt coming in and people ask me all the time like how much should i drink you know how do you how much do you drink i come to you say hey fred you're the number one bourbon guy on youtube how how many drinks is too many drinks per week for me knowing nothing about me

any of my past history or anything, how much should I be drinking, Dr. Fred? Yeah, Dr. Manning. I'm going to help you out if you're a bourbon guy and is listening to this. Don't ask the top bourbon guy how much you should drink. Yeah, he's going to be drinking probably more than a regular person top bourbon guy how much you should drink yeah he's gonna be drinking probably more than a regular person look at those bottles some of them are open and have like a quarter of the way full i think i think that's a very personal question and if you are asking me uh how

much you should drink i think you should take a look at the guidelines of what moderation is. You should also talk to your doctor about that. But I am in no way, shape, or form someone that can tell you. You know, we underestimate him every time. Yeah, Fred, he's okay. This guy, Fred, he's okay at the end of the day. He's pretty good. I can tell you what I do.

So I am a professional. I'm a professional taster. So what I do is going to be out of the ordinary. Everything we said. We just need to give, ladies and gentlemen, give Fred a chance. That's all I have to say. Yeah, yeah. Out of what other people do.

First of all, YouTube is not all I do, right? So I've been doing this for, this will be my 17th year. So you got to think at looking at him and knowing the legal drinking age and then saying his 17th year. Pretty much right away when he was allowed to, yeah. Those work boots aren't his. Oh, yeah. No, maybe not. He could have had a job as a teenager because, you know, maybe he started right at 21 or whatever.

Because he does not look like he's older than 40 years old. I will say that. No. He does not look older than 40. I mean, he's got a little gray in the beard, I guess. He could just have a young face. He could be. But to me, he looks to be in his late 30s. Similar to my age.

Yeah, those work boots or somebody else's work. As a as a spirits, writer, taster, personality, whatever you want to call me, then where did the boots come from? If I wait, he's hang on, on though is he going to say that that's he said that's not the only thing he does so there's a chance he has another job listen i don't want to jump down your guy's throats but i think we've both we've we've had our wig snatch here second guessing fred and and i think we gotta give fred a chance i'm sorry well i'll calm down i'll let him do his thing. Yeah. Hey, Tom,

if you could please calm down. All right. You're a little up. You're like a tank. Could you get down to a seven? I just, I could listen to Tom talk just all day long. It just calms me down. He's the best. If you're going to be in this business, you have to taste a healthy amount. Now that tasting is very, very different than drinking. Um, drinking is where of course you're going to be in this business, you have to taste a healthy amount. Now, that tasting is very, very different than drinking. Drinking is where, of course, you're drinking, right? Tasting, you're taking in the flavor. You're analyzing the aroma. You're looking at it from an analytical perspective.

Much like I tried to show on my top 100 in the first round where I was. Yeah, Fred, enough of this. Add elephant yeah fred come on listen everybody hey we appreciate this it's a good it's a fair question but everybody wants to know what the fucking boots buddy you're trying to figure out about the boots over here oh oh i see up above his head he has blackened whiskey that That is Metallica whiskey. So it's whiskey that they play. They put speakers next to the barrels and play Metallica 24. No.

Swear to fucking God, I can't. I'm not lying to you. Don't they have that song, too? Blackened. Yeah. No, but don't they have a song, Whiskey in a Jar? Oh, I love that song That's a cover

You imagine Listen guys Here's what we're going to do We're going to start distilling our own spirits And when we put them in the barrels Here's the catch We're going to play Inner Sandman At deafening volumes to it

For seven straight years While it ages That's very interesting i got a just one question i guess why why the fuck would we do that you know i'm the person who's i'm the person who's like funding it i have the money like just if you could give me like just even one little bit of an explanation as to why the fuck we would do that and i'll just hand over the check right now i did read somebody saying like well what it actually does is it moves it's this stupid i'm gonna tell you this right now it oh no you don't say it moves the whiskey from the side of the barrel into the middle so that it gets a good rotation because the sound waves are oh my god tom you're not you're not buying that

listen that's 100 it's something cooked up by lars ulrich yeah lars is behind that there's no question that's that's essentially what tasting is i i am trying to get myself in a situation where i can just um i can just do that, just taste and, you know, cut out like that extracurricular, you know, those dinners where there's one or two cocktails or a couple, a couple of flights, um, you know, trying to cut out that TV bourbon, which if you've ever listened to me in my bourbon pursuit segment above the char, I talk about one of my greatest weaknesses when it comes to bourbon is my tv bourbon and that is where i sit down and uh you know i have a dram

while i'm watching my favorite tv show or a sporting show sporting show like a football game or something sporting show sporting show so yeah you're a sports fan. You're a sports fan. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. We podcast and now stream. I mean, you know, sometimes you say dumb things. Yeah, sometimes. I think we could give the better for the doubt and say that he just got caught up and was talking about his shows there. And he sort of said it incorrectly.

But it did certainly come across as a guy who has never, ever watched a single minute of sports in his life. is a guy who has never ever watched a single minute of sports in his life well that kills me that he said that because like now we're gonna go to the final fred fred minnick um video here and then we're gonna read some comments on that video that i think you guys are gonna like very much specifically also the uh uh listeners are definitely going to be into this i hope that somebody asked him about his fucking boots nobody's gonna ask him about the boots chris it's never gonna happen i'll tell you what it is gonna happen because i just i see what his channel is and i'm gonna go ahead and ask him about the boots you mean to tell me he really does wear an ascot I thought you were just I thought it was just a little little jape I'm not goofing on him in that way this is this is

more how he dresses this is not a this is not a kind of a look for me that is a good bourbon god damn it I flubbed twice here this is not a good look to me if you guys could see this the way he looks right now he looks childish he looks like a little he looks like a little baby boy i see what you mean chris you know like you know how like some guys like ken burns and boris johnson like if a man goes through his life and doesn't lose like even a little bit of hair yeah he kind of always looks like just an old ass nine-year-old yeah you gotta lose a bit it's kind of the same thing like not necessarily with the hair loss but with like that sort of three guys losing their hair like yeah i mean this guy the

way he's dressed right now if you see he has like a polka dot blue shirt with a polka dot red ascot underneath and a vest and like a olive vest over top of it and it's the collars kind of popped it is it is a it is a disaster of a look as far as i'm concerned i'm with you chris i just i can't condone that i can't no no it is like tom said this earlier and a lot of these guys are this it's like a specific kind of southern gentleman but in 2023 thing that they do and and i i always goof on it like this if you live in a city even a mid-sized city major city there's like a group of people that have like handlebar mustaches and they wear like an ascot and they like play the banjo and stuff like that but they're just they've never been anywhere outside of the city or anything that's what he reminds me of he reminds me of one of

those guys that's like i'm a fancy boy uh with the work boots which i think are his dad now now why you keep you keep saying is there do you have some inside information you're lying that you're not boots you just you just have an inkling that those are his dad's work boots they do look older they look older you know looking how he's dressed i'm just saying i'm looking at how he's dressed i'm thinking about the work boots yeah i can't stop thinking about the fucking work so this video is called it's a short and it's is this a problem for the bourbon community i'm just gonna play it real quick find out if this is what i hope he's talking about his look this is gonna be a problem is this a problem this is how i want to dress

is this gonna be an issue that I'm like one of the main guys? Well, let's let him address it. It is an issue. It is an issue. Does your spouse think that you buy too much bourbon? Are you hiding bourbon from your spouse? He's like doing it like an infomercial, playing it up sort of silly. But it seems like this would be a huge issue in the bourbon community

that has probably resulted in real serious marital issues. It's problematic. I would sink $1,000 on a bottle of liquor you know and your wife finds out about that and you're like struggling you got kids gotta like go to like camp or whatever oh my god because you don't want them to know about how much you're buying do you keep a different credit card separate from your family accounts. Well, if that's you, you're among the 5% who recently admitted in a poll that I did here on YouTube that you hide bourbon from

your spouse. 71%. That's kind of a good way to say it. If you're one of these people who did this thing, then you're part of the 5% of the people who in the polls said they did the thing. I like how he's treating clandestine alcoholism as just a cheeky little personality part. Yeah, it's kind of funny. If you're at that level, that is very serious to be hiding that kind of stuff from your family. That is when you're certainly have to get help i can't three things you can't have from your wife and your drinking is is one of

i can't even like it is so bad if you have a separate credit card that your wife doesn't know about yeah right right then and there you're then and there, there's an issue. We don't live in that type of world anymore. You know, it's not acceptable to just do that. You're sharing a life together. You can still have things that are your own, but not, you know, the finances of your life and family. He's got more. People who took that poll said that their spouse thinks they buy too much bourbon.

So is this an issue that we have right now in the bourbon community? Is this something that we should be concerned about? Put in the comment section what you think. Are we afraid of our spouses finding out how much bourbon we buy? I'm curious to know. I know my spouse, she drinks the bourbon we buy? I'm curious to know. I know my spouse. She drinks the bourbon with me. Oh.

Cheers. That was cool. That's kind of cute. That's kind of, I like that. Find yourself a, fellas, find yourself a girl who drinks the bourbon with you. He's a feminist. Yeah, there's no two ways about it. He is a feminist.

More women. He's a bourbon. This man, of all the bourbon guys, this man is the most concerned about women's role in the community so yeah i didn't think i didn't think i'd hear about that mark replies i don't necessarily hide whiskey from my spouse but i do try to get it in the house without her seeing okay necessarily not necessarily but it's like yeah she'd be the best if she doesn't see it once it's on the shelf or in the cabinets it's oh i've had that one a while i just never opened it um jd's booming says i don't hide bottles from my wife they're on display in my floor to ceiling

glass case but i do have a personal card that i use to buy it because she'd kill me if she knew how much some of the bottles cost okay so that's that's a big issue because yeah you guys are meant to be sharing finances i think it's your wife this guy uh fred fred he's fred asked the question and fred i know, who is a guy, says, damn, Fred, preach it to the choir. My wife is from Mexico. If it was tequila, I probably wouldn't have to hide it. Why are you being racist against your wife? He just put like a cartoonish Ariba

yeah I mean that okay okay yeah I guess like he just sort of saw this as an opportunity to do a bit of his like family based comedy like that he's been working on yeah well this whole video was kind of rooted in the wife bad like joke genre

yeah some of them are playing along yeah Lord Garth is a little worried This whole video was kind of rooted in the wife bad joke genre. Some of them are playing along, yeah. Lord Garth is a little worried about what this makes the community look like, and he says, not sure what the bourbon, quote, community would have to do with people and their finance slash marriage issues has nothing to do with bourbon specifically. So he's like, leave bourbon out of this. He's also spot on, though, that if you are hiding that type of thing from your wife it is a larger issue

it is not bourbon it is either alcoholism or just like issue with trust with within your marriage definitely this guy has a lot to say he goes my wife's one of those that barely tolerates my obsession. So most of the time, it's just easier. He says, so most of the time, it's just easier to keep her in the dark about my baby. Just easier. Just easier. This time of year, I have to be more. Oh, my God. That's hilarious.

This time of year, I have to be more open about it since I'm out hunting for the hard-to-find stuff. So I just have to put up with the rolling eyes and occasional snarky comment. I envy you guys who have wives that encourage and share in your obsession. That guy, I don't know how long ago that was. Coin flip whether he's divorced or not 2017 he's a hundred percent divorced uh yeah can you imagine if you if you ended up divorced over bourbon no and not like not from like alcoholism or drinking it but collecting it listen to this freak rich nimrod is his name. And he goes, my bride has little regard for my owning so much bourbon, yet still acquiring more.

So I do sometimes conceal new purchases when I can. Some of her lack of appreciation comes from seeing others in the family suffer the effects of alcoholism. And some of it is derived from a basically frugal nature that recoils at the cost of some of these bottles not to mention the aggregate cost of the multitude in the bunker what's that what's that oh just just like he's got a bunch of them yeah and then now he goes i can't entirely blame her but i do wish she'd be a little more tolerant or at least show some forbearance the comments don't help and could be kept to herself as i keep mine to myself about her indulgences all this said she's still the best thing i've ever had the good fortune to happen i fucking love her to death though man i'll fucking fight to the ends of the earth for this little bitch. Listen, is she a shrill bitch that doesn't understand my lifestyle?

Sure, but I wouldn't lay in front of a bus for her. Let me tell you, I'm so lucky I met her, and she doesn't even understand what makes me me at all, you know? So the next little piece I needed to do, and it's so great to have Tom on for this, because one of the most famous bourbon things is the Kentucky Bourbon Trail. I'm sure Tom has run into that a few times. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It is basically they give you a book and you get stamps.

And then at the end, if you have a certain amount of stamps, you get a prize. Is that a thing? I'm not sure about the prize, but yeah, I think they give you a little collectible thing. You just go to the different distilleries and get it stamped or whatever. Well, Travel and Tea did it, and he said, there are 10 distillery tours.

If you get the passport stamped, you get to get a free t-shirt. Not anymore. Now you get a stupid glass. Oh, fuck. So this person was really doing it thinking they were getting a t-shirt. Yeah. He said, if you want a t-shirt, you have to buy it.

To be honest, it's not worth all the trouble. To be honest, it's not worth all the trouble. Wait a second. In my mind, most adult people would probably prefer commemorative glass over a $5 Gildan with, you know, I'm a good bourbon boy printed on it or whatever. Yeah, most people I would think, yeah, glass. I don't know about you, but when I think glass, I start thinking, well, I could fill this glass up with bourbon.

I could easily drink bourbon out of this glass. Hey, you know, on the last segment when you were talking all the stories about my wife and you kept saying, like, my wife, I was just thinking, I was watching this other show about beer, about other type of alcohol, where they had a funny way of saying my wife. I don't know if you have that. You're going to get me yelled at that's a nice my wife from opie radio on the beer show everybody tune into uh twitch.tv slash i don't know what it is but we watch murder x brian we watch uh opie's show where he talks about beers similar to this i mean he's a connoisseur of beers well this guy's still hot under the collar by the way he goes the best ones are makers mark bullet i hate wild turkey if i

had known i wasn't going to get the t-shirt i would not have wasted my time and money going to this is the t-shirt thing is really upsetting him it was a deal breaker for him yeah holy i have a feeling like i'm not even necessarily gonna like worry about the rest of his review because i think it's all very much colored by the t-shirt debacle you know he cannot let this go who he reminds me of is from episode one the sex guy that wanted to win the sex board game yeah it's like obsessed with trying to win the board game instead of like it was unfair the rules were unfair that like he definitely deserved to win it's like dude you're supposed to be coming with your girlfriend that's the idea not not the victory not Not so you can rub it in her face.

This teacher. You want to rub your dick in her face. That's the idea. Put it on your iPhone. Write in her pussy. Sorry, that was another. That's a different guy. But same episode.

Just different guy. They are soon going to add 14 distilleries to the trail. So there will be even less incentive to do all the tours so this guy did not like it but this guy wants he wants the bourbon tour t-shirt without having to do the bourbon tour and he just like does he just need a shirt like is he just he just he came he showed up without a shirt at the distillery. I came shirtless thinking I was just, you know, I could wear my gnome. So like most, most bourbon guys would say, okay, 17 new distilleries.

That's kind of fun. Like, that seems like a good thing. He's like, oh God, more work to get to not get a t-shirt. Yeah. Now we got to walk around to more distilleries. That's the point of it, man. It's not the shirt. The shirt is not the point. Obsession with the shirt.

It's the journey, man. Yeah. Another two-star review. Last year, I made my plans to do the trail after a stop in Cincinnati. It appealed to me for the history and geography of the reason and that they have a passport and stamps and for the t-shirt which was to be awarded at the end oh i got bad news for you i got some bad news for you my friend i hope this reviews from before when they still gave it. What's his name?

What's his name? It doesn't have his name. It's solo. I don't have his name, but he goes, I enjoyed some distilleries more than others because the interpreters and stories were better. But really, one is the same as the next. The process is exactly the same. I spent from five to fifteen dollars for each of the tours. Some let us keep the tasting glass. Somebons tasted better it all runs together i did buy some bourbon at bullen and

at woodford i collected the 10 stamps and then went to the lexington visitor center for my t-shirt after oh god oh no wow i'm nervous this is Oh, no. Wow. I'm nervous. What is his name that he goes by on there? Solo? Solo.

I would say, if I'm the guy at the visitor center, I'm saying, Solo, sit down, if you would. Solo, can you just... I got some bad news, pal. What's up? Good glass now. news, pal. What's up? The glass now. Now, yeah. Our budget was cut, so we had to go with glasses instead of t-shirts. Oh, okay.

Oh, no! I stole those reactions. I'm writing a fucking review right now. He could have just read the reviews and then he would have known. You know. Good point. This is three months after

the first one that we read. So he goes to the Lexicon Visitor Center for my t-shirt after collecting the town branch stamp. No T-shirt. You now have to buy it for another $15. They did award me a shot glass. The decision to change the prize isn't well thought out.

That's advertising. Wherever that shirt is worn, they have a traveling billboard. This guy says, I'm going to have a shirt made that says i did the whole kentucky bourbon trail and all i got was this lousy glass well that's kind of ironic that thing that he's doing there with the shirt and i do i hey i appreciate irony you know i love irony twitter and everything so i love that kind of stuff. But it seems like then he's wasting more money because, you know, he's spending a lot more money. Just buy the $15 T-shirt. Yeah.

I mean, like if you've come from wherever, whatever far away place you're from to do the bourbon trail, just what's 15 more bucks to get the T-shirt? That's what they're thinking, though. That's what they're thinking. And that's why that's what these people are so upset about as consumers is they know they've got you there and so you're gonna go ahead and buy it anyways but it's bullshit it's seems to me like it's quite a selling point and also tom it's not very well thought out because if you wear a t-shirt around you got advertisements basically for that product all the time so he's concerned about it from a fucking marketing standpoint as well it's just stupid nobody's gonna see that glass you know that stupid fucking glass it's a shot glass we're finding out too by the way in the beginning we

didn't find out it was a shot glass so it's meant because you would shoot you would often drink your bourbon neat out of a like a tumbler or something right yeah yeah like yeah so so this doesn't really like who's shooting bourbon or do you do you shoot bourbon i mean you can but i mean it's not like you know typically you think yeah right when you're trying to echo sinatra and the boys you want to you know yeah oh i funny thought i just had is is my like education and health care being bankrolled by these guys like basically we don't really have a lot here so it's like you know yeah and if they're i mean i want to say this i don't i've never looked at this stuff i never looked at merch stuff in my life. I kind of think the glasses are more expensive than shirts.

No, I don't think so. Oh, really? Because I feel like the glasses would be cheaper than the shirts, I think. Well, they want the shirts, Chris. No, I mean, listen, man, you and me both. If I showed up there and they didn't have the fucking shirt, I'd tear the fucking place up. I'll tell you, they better hope I don't have my fucking gun on me.

That's all I got to say. Tom and Chris are going to go take down the Kentucky Bourbon Trail. Let's do it. That would be so fun. We'll do it. And come back and ask for our t-shirts and make the biggest stink about it when they don't have it. Do like a video stream live stream

it like start pushing over racks of the t-shirts you have to pay for so i looked at some some uh sorry sorry sorry i just i just realized that as well they've just done this bourbon i just realized they've just done this bourbon tour just realized they've just done this bourbon tour so they're all drunk as well when they're showing up at this thing so they're like where's my fucking shirt i went to 15 goddamn guys got a trunk full of fucking bourbon too like they get that they get you fucking drunk at those places i've

not did the trail but i went to buffalo trace one time and like i definitely had like four or five drinks while i was there because you don't spit it out right and it's like it's high proof obviously so it's not like a wine tasting to you know you're like if you're not spitting it out you're gonna get drunk not you don't have to drink that much bourbon to get drunk. Well, Christopher T is a guy I found that did a tour of the trail. And I started looking into his reviews. Tom, I hate to say this. He did not like the bourbon trail.

He says, expensive, time-consuminguming and unnecessarily rigid was my overall impression of the trail distilleries unnecessarily rigid they think he's gonna be like willie walker like he's gonna get to swim in a river of bourbon and just they wouldn't let him wander around is what it sounds like. Too rigid. They didn't show them the recipe. They kept trying to get into employee areas and stuff. Oh, my God. This place is a prison.

Yeah. It's crazy. Either way, they haven't figured out how to be customer friendly, or they don't care, and they have deduced a brilliant marketing scheme anyway. My primary complaints are having to pay to take their redundant. Here's how bourbon is made tours at nearly every distillery and having to pay for and take the tours in order to taste tiny little bourbon samples at nearly every distillery at between seven and eight but nobody's forcing you no one's forcing you to do it you could just go you could just buy bourbon and drink it if you want or whatever okay another thing is my man you're going to a place where they make bourbon why the hell else what are they supposed to talk about besides making bourbon

that's what most people are interested in so this guy just wants to like wax like sort of you know hey i i already know all this shit i caught it all right this is all beneath me kind of like i'm an expert but it's like dude people most people a lot of people taking the tours are you know they're interested in that stuff this guy's got this guy's got a little his next complaint is is crazy we already spent money in Kentucky on gas, meals, evenings out, and hotels over two days. Must we really shell over more than $200 for four of us to also take mandatory tours at multiple distilleries? They should factor in what your expenses are overall. That's actually a good point.

This guy is a classic complainer. He probably has a lot of reviews, doesn't he? Oh, he does. I found all of his reviews of the distilleries, too. Yeah, I can imagine. He's acting like somebody stuck a gun to his head and watched the video about how you make mermen every place i'm sure you could just leave yeah just go you could just go like that's what he's

the way he's describing this is so odd it really is nobody's making you stay i know he acts like you pull over you you drive over the border into kentucky and they're like here's your book you need to do these tours and when you leave we want you to give us the for your formula for a great bourbon then we're not going to give you a t-shirt for it either we're going to give you a glass uh we decided before we left home we would not we've taken a tour at another distillery already we know how bourbon is made thank you none of them do it that different from the other then now he goes into the quote reasons the totally unfriendly and unaccommodating first line of public contact employees at the distilleries gave varied wildly

room size building code it's the weekend proximity to other distilleries and state law that require minimum times between tastings so the minuscule droplets of alcohol in our system wouldn't apparently make us into raving drunks along the way now he's mad that they're not getting them drunk he's mad they didn't get him enough alcohol like this guy is just like he's just looking to be angry i feel like i feel like maybe he was having a bad time on this vacation in general or like this trip some other shit might have been going on this is something tom maybe you could stop at some of the stories and talk to him about because he does say also uh they give you totally unhelpful answers

of just plain no you can only taste if you take the tour they won't let you taste unless you give the tour and then he mentions and tom you should say something about this is with a it's given with a snobby superior snippy dismissive how dare you even suggest otherwise look from them so it's a look it's not even but sometimes you can tell so much from a look you know i mean he has definitely the amount of snippy snap like he's got so many descriptive words there this guy sounds fucking awful man, Tom, could you talk to the people at the distilleries and tell them to be nicer to everybody? If the state law excuse was remotely true, it's bizarre. In two cases, the distilleries were our first stops of the day.

In two others, they were after long lunches and hours after our last tiny tastings. This man is just mad about portion size and now the next line and several more were after driving a fair distance from the last one why would your policy presume a customer walking in the door is reeling in from over imbibing, which by the way, is impossible on your tiny two to four samples per distillery. And we heard it. That's our first imbibing that we heard. Yeah.

Yeah. Also, what's funny is it's like, well, what if you apply that same logic to bars? Like, how can you assume the people coming to your bar to drink i'll have sober drivers if you're afraid someone's over imbibing then hand stamp them with a date and time at tasting tables so you know when they last had a measly less than a shot of bourbon total we've had more alcoholic communion than we did in a tasting session frankly we heard so many lame excuses we ended up not believing any of them four roses jim beam and buffalo trace let you taste without a tour patronize them heaven hell

heaven hill all tech town branch makers mark wild turkey will it and woodford reserve do not uh and then in quotes woodford reserve used to but they changed their policy to this one skip them all of them had empty tasting rooms between tours ending their most plainly visible from where they were distilleries could make even more money if they'd taken us up on our offer to pay just the taste none would even consider it. So between tours, you'd think that would appeal. He was trying to bribe, like, docent sent to, like, giving him a little extra.

Well, now he says that you'd think that would appeal to their capitalist zeal. So I have a suggestion for this guy. I think I know what he might be looking for. He might be looking for what's known as a bar. You can just kind of go and you tell them how much of the liquor you want, and they'll tell you what the price is, and they'll just give it to you right there.

Also, some of these places, but not all, have bars in them. Oh, I see. He could have actually, without leaving the premises, he could have got it done. Now, some it is illegal to do that at, to be fair, but there's others where it's like, in different counties where it's like, you could just walk eight

steps that way and just go get whatever you want there. He wants the fucking tasting, guys. You guys aren't understanding that he wants the tasting to get him drunk. I see. Does he wants the tasting to get him drunk i see does he mention the t-shirt at all the t-shirt comes up i think oh good okay it's like it's like he's mad that like he showed up to these distillers and they didn't just like they weren't like automatically impressed with his knowledge and just named him master distiller that's what he wanted that's what he

wanted he wanted them to be like hey man we don't normally do this but do you want to start working they do i think a lot of these guys that go on these tour really do want the tour guide to be like you know nobody's ever brought up such great points about bourbon on these tours so that's interesting um the trail marketing encourages you to tour them all but berries on their skimpy on info website in the frequently asked questions section and post it nowhere else that distilleries charge and tastings are at the end of the mandatory tours only also also we do not and also trail we do and did spend lots of money on bourbon at distilleries where we could taste the product and where our business was appreciated and we were made to feel welcome, not as some

sort of petty criminals for even offering to pay to just taste. It certainly can't be financial need. People are buying bourbon and anything else in the distillery, slap their logo on in the gift shops nonstop. So he goes into how much they're charging. Heaven's Hill, you can only buy, all you can buy is four bourbons, and it ran at obscene $129 to $400, while Four Roses had perfectly good exclusive ones for under $65 in their tours,

which were optional. We were also free. Guess where all four of us spent the most money after tasting? Right, Four Roses, where we were gladly welcomed and made to feel good. Get it, trail? The customer is always right in retail or don't any of you have a retail background or do you just not care as you ride the wave of bourbon popularity it is really funny to it's like if i got into like collecting like rolex watches and then i was pissed off when I found out they were expensive. You know what I mean?

I mean, it's not a one to one, but it's like, you know, this is like a money pit, like expensive hobby because of like, you know, the aftermarket and all this stuff. like sitting here pissing and moaning about paying 65 or more than $65 for a bottle of like an exclusive product that like luck, the idea of the concept of luxury is attached to. It's like, did they not, did they not tell you that in the brochure when you're signing up to be a bourbon guy? That's what you like. That's what you like about it. Yeah. That's, that's the appealing thing. There's not others. That's, that's the thing you like. You can't have both you can't yeah yeah uh theodore w toured the jim beam distillery and he said i'll never ever drink jim beam again after being scolded by their tour guide for

something so minor no seriously nicely done guys and i really wish i knew what's up about the minor doesn't clarify what it is again it's probably like it was probably like something wild you know like probably like trying to go into like a designated area it was like a safety issue and they're like hey you can't go in there you know like that's probably what it was like hey you're not allowed to go in there it's just like well i will never i will never drink this product again i don't care yeah who cares i will never drink the number one selling bourbon in america ever yeah they don't care at all they're not the type of uh company that you can threaten with that in any meaning they don't care about

losing even a thousand customers also the people that work there like the people that work in a gift shop don't give a fucking rat's ass and the guy that makes the shit is just like you know he's like not there and you're not really like talking to him or anything uh i also want to say i toured a uh a distillery once and i actually just got offered to tour another one it's right around the corner from my house holy shit i thought you were gonna say and they actually offered me a job they actually offered me a job and i'll tell you what at the end of the thing i fucking got a t-shirt as well one thing we've learned about bourbon guys is they love t-shirts that is

One thing we've learned about bourbon guys is they love T-shirts. That is a top thing. You know what they love? They love to get what they fucking are promised. That's it, okay? Okay, Ron S. had a really hell experience at Four Roses Distillery. And Four Roses, is that one, Tom, is that close to where you are? Yeah, yeah, I've been to Four Roses. You've been here.

It's funny because the guy before had the best experience at Four Roses and this guy had a hell experience. It's like it's true. It's like, you know, one man's treasure or whatever it is. Absolutely. Absolutely. Poor experience with zero focus on guest experience. Anybody who says guest experience in their review, you should disregard that immediately. guest experience anybody who says guest experience in their review you should disregard that immediately it's a if it's a hotel maybe like a hotel the guest experience is like the thing you know

but like i i don't i just don't see it at a bourbon tour it's like they want you to like pull a cod out of the back and leave a little chocolate on your pillows you took yeah what do they want they're just gonna tell you how they make bourbon and then you're gonna get to taste some of it yes so you go to four roses there's not a lot to four roses they built this like new visitor center but it's basically just a big gift shop like you walk in and there's bourbon and t-shirts and knickknacks everywhere that you can buy he says t-shirts yeah but that you can buy that you can buy. He says t-shirts. Yeah, but that you can buy, that you can buy. Right.

Extra money. Yeah. And then the rest of it is you could just go and see the barrels and the warehouses, but there's not a lot to it. I don't know what he was expecting. Well, Ron S., he says this is our second stop of the day, and unfortunately our first tour got behind schedule. We knew we were running 30 minutes late,

so we called ahead to see what our options were we were told we couldn't do the tour but if we made it by 30 minutes after we could at least do the tasting we arrived at the 30 minute mark and the tasting had begun without us this was understandable but the issue becomes when they don't allow us to participate in the tasting we paid for that's when that's that the issue does become yeah i mean it's that's a good way to describe it it's like all good but when the issue becomes this when they don't change everything around for everybody else just to accommodate us that's when the issue really becomes this next sentence i would love somebody to draw this we were standing on the other side of the door staring at all of our tastings displayed on the table but told by a very rude associate multiple times that it wasn't her

fault we were late and that she wasn't going to disturb others experience for us to join in late this experience left such a bad taste in our mouth not oh i can tell you how you get that out i can tell you how to get that out taste to get a you how to get that out. Taste to get a little bourbon on. Just a little on the boat pallet there. That's such a bad taste in our mouth that our 14 person group has agreed. We'll spend our money elsewhere when choosing our bourbons. I would highly recommend four roses looks into a way to create a more positive guest experience. What? Hang on a second.

Can this be real how how how is this person not have any fucking self-awareness is this a fucking joke you are describing that you showed up late and they tried to accommodate you and they were unable to because you were too late and that's the way the fucking shit works is this person fucking serious yeah at the end he says keeping in mind that many groups like ours are celebrating big life events oh my god

maybe raise the bar for big life event one but two it's like guys these these tours run about every half hour. So, like, if you just hang around for a half hour, you just get on the next bus. You know what I mean?

It's not that big of a deal. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Presumably, if it was the last one of the day, it would happen the next day as well, right? Yeah. They do it in, like, little like little 15 30 minute increments or whatever it is it's like okay man you're late just if you want to see it hang around and just do the next one you're a fucking you're late you're late you're late for it and it's happening already

like like like imagine you show up at two of the fucking theater for a show and you're just like you show up 20 minutes later And you're like can you guys start the play again And just like Hey guys if you would Just take this set from the top I just got here It's so funny man

Last thing we're going to do here Is from rbourbon The reddit we always like to look at the reddit of these guys And you J-H-i-l-g-3 said anyone else seen an influx of instagram scammers i followed one legit bourbon account breaking bourbon and then subsequently had like 30 other accounts with bourbon in their name trying to sell me every batch of bookers known to man. I relayed this info to a friend who said he sent $160 via PayPal to bourbon barrel rye underscore cask for a bottle of foolproof Weller and was blocked the next day.

Stay safe all. The next guy goes, I'm probably going to make a post on this with pictures and pretty words, but I'm not feeling so confident in my big box liquor store either i won the right to purchase a bottle of gts i go to pick it up and the foil is all crimped and the fill level looks about two ounces short so this guy he doesn't even trust the liquor store at this point somebody at the liquor store has broken has stolen some of just a couple of shots of it two ounces in two ounces the foil was all crimped though and that's where the problem comes in big process 521 says yeah i just got scammed for two bottles of well or 12 year

i knew it was risky but thought i was safe since paying i thought it was safe since paying with Zelle through my bank app I was wrong, lesson learned So that's what we discussed early on Someone will just put something else into They got scammed on Weller, which is the lesser But that's still pretty expensive Yeah, now the secondary market is driven up

Even like the sort of ancillary brands and stuff like that. What's funny about bourbon guys is it seems like they're all stupid and want somebody else to foot the bill for it. Whether that's Four Roses Distillery or the Zelle app. Yeah.

The Zelle app is, I mean, thinking you're safe by using your bank app is something else. That is, I mean, thinking you're safe by using your bank app is something else. That is, that's a level of like, I hope this is real. I hope this Weller is real. And instead of it being fake, they just don't get anything. They just get blocked. Oh, I see.

They don't even get the fake. Those people don't even go to that. They've just realized that these fucking idiots will send their money over the internet for some fucking bourbon and they're easy to scam yeah yeah i mean fred minnick has a video on it if you guys ever want to catch fred binnick not to get scammed not to get scammed and basically one of the things he said is if you don't know the person don't buy it because sometimes they put poison in it if they do say. I'm going to lose it. If somebody says they're putting fentanyl in bourbon, they're putting poison in burp.

Like what? That seems like not good business. You know what I mean? Like, why would you put poison in it? I guess, unless you're a serial killer. More than likely, they're probably just going to put some other cheaper bourbon.

Yeah. And nobody asked any questions at the distillery tours and they're not answering it because these people are also fucking rude. And on these tours and they don't even give you a T-shirt. So, well, that's bourbon, guys. There's obviously going to be another bourbon guys episode because this was fun. And I still have content. Actually, I have some guys ranting about out. Tom, do you know what allocated bottles are? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. So, Chris, there's this thing where like once a bourbon becomes more rare, the state allocates bottles to certain liquor stores and they're on this thing. So you're looking, these guys are all like on the hunt for allocated bottles. So they'll go sit, they'll find out which liquor store has been allocated these bottles and then they'll get lawn chairs and they'll sit outside,

wait for the liquor store to open. That must make it harder for them to tell themselves that they are not alcoholics when they are literally camping outside of a liquor store. You're like a liquor hot beast. That is really, I mean, I guess, I mean, that's not that. It makes sense in the context of everything I've just learned that that would make sense, you know, that they would go and do that. And if I was a, if I was a bourbon guy, I would probably go do that as well.

I kind of like that kind of thing. We're talking good free former. I mean, I'm free, at least hype beast. I've camped out for Air Jordans. I've camped. I mean, I, I, I, I poke fun of them because i see a little of myself or at least my older self yeah oh i've done it i've done it for sure as well i've bought some stuff yeah i bought some shit on the secondary market that i posted about this the other day

uh i bought an adidas ape collaboration shirt that was like uh it was camouflage it was fucking so cool and it was 258 and i was like this is a little treat for me and i was really broke at the time and it got to me and it was in japanese size so it didn't fit i could have told you that man there's a big issue with vape sizing i was gonna ask is it the adidas or the vape sizing because i flat out can't wear vape clothes because the sizing and all that like extra large it's so wide yeah so like misshapen and stuff but you can if you can get a collab that has the adidas sizing on it um but yeah i bought shoes that were like uh gore-tex nike air force one high tops on the secondary market and had them shipped out and the price was good like 300

or something which wasn't that much higher but then the duty i had to pay was like 285 or 300 so they ended up being 600 and i couldn't afford it and it was they were great but that was the last time i ever did secondary market shit yeah so i'm not making fun i'm saying that like the the funny part about it is and tom you worked it a uh uh what was it undefeated yeah in las vegas so you worked at undefeated in las vegas so you know how these guys are but the the people that do camp out they don't trust anybody that works in the store and oh well the funny thing is that when you're talking about the allocated bottles a friend of mine and i won't say their name because i don't want to knock the hustle but a friend of mine messaged me yesterday and was like yeah my sister manages

this like the big one of the biggest you know uh liquor store chains it's like and all those allocated bottles are out the door before like they even put them on the shelves because people have a friend or she's like yeah we've been we've been hustling these guys for years with the allocated bottle and they're mad about it like oh yeah bourbon ready and you look for it like it's basically just people mad that they think they're being hustled for the allocated bottles, which in the end, like we said earlier, a Van Winkle, I think, is $60. On the secondary markets, a few thousand to several hundred. Yeah. What do y'all think?

I mean, not to belabor the point, because I know we're getting off here, but what do you think accounts for that like what is it about us like wanting our various johns and these guys wanting their various wares too you know that makes you just want something that nobody else can can easily get i don't know i think oh sorry go ahead brian i want to say you know what sucked about a lot of the hypebeast stuff was like i'd go out i buy like palace stuff and like some of the other kind of uh uh brands that nobody kith and stuff like that that nobody even fucking knew about and i remember wearing the shirts and being like god it would be so cool if somebody was like man that's a cool i like that palace shirt and what happened once every few few months but it was like i don't know i i just there's some i'll say this when somebody says you have something cool that feels

very good and i think that's what the bourbon guys i think it's about community right self-confidence and yeah like a communal uh uh community is definitely like a part of it you're part of this thing but for me i'm thinking about it when you ask that like why i would buy like a you know a nice shirt that costs a lot of money or whatever and it is a self-confidence thing it's like a thing where i try really hard not to be a capitalist in my life but i am i live in capitalism and it's like hey i have this i've got this for myself i'm doing okay and i think it's like just that idea that i'm representing that i am doing okay i am like i think a lot of my life i wasn't and didn't have enough money to buy anything and always you know had kind of shittier stuff or whatever now i'm like hey i

can i can buy shit for myself i'm okay you know yeah yeah i think yeah it's part of it is that kind of status anxiety with it a bit yeah i just think it's interesting because like now that i'm like kind of divorced from that i would see the same thing when i was working when i was undefeated like stussy was like right next door and like certain days you'd have guys wrapped around the fucking block i love stussy by the way they're they're based out of locally where i am and oh that's right shop is there and i have tons of stussy shit yeah well stussy's good again it was at that time it was it was a little teetering on mall brandy you know what i mean but now it's it's good again it's interesting because like i remember the first time i met

you tom you were wearing a supreme shirt and i had no fucking idea that it was a supreme shirt or whatever and but i was like that's a cool fucking shirt and then when i found out it was a supreme shirt i just was on stock x constantly like oh i'll buy this one i'll buy this one and then i'll finally feel like really good that I have enough now I have a dresser full of supreme shirts and it's just like whatever yeah it doesn't matter as much anymore now and that's where I think I really learned something there that I am now like kind of applying to the lego stuff in that like i am not buying discontinued legos on ebay i want some there's definitely some some that i want on ebay there's a roller coaster i really want

and a couple other things that are retired but i've decided no matter how much money i get i won't do secondary market anymore and uh because i don't i don't want to be one of these guys i don't want to be like accusing people at the lego store of holding them back because that's like there were so many like accusations on these on if you go to r slash bourbon you will see the most paranoid group of people i think i've ever seen well i mean that's uh hey you don't really expect that necessarily from bourbon guys but yeah it definitely i was sort of i mean i guess the guys we tend to focus on are people doing reviews so those are kind of complainers and stuff but i mean some of the fucking complaints were at like that person who was saying that we showed up late

and they wouldn't stop the tour and like started again and let us be a part of it that like i that type of entitlement we haven't heard from any of our guys yet i don't it's money chris it's money though it is like i think once you start getting into these things like hot sauce is not like a big money you're right it's people with people with money because if you're going to be doing these things and buying these brands you are going to have a bit of money behind you it for the most part you know that makes sense yeah yeah and it's just people that probably have been catered to their whole fucking life and now we're like yeah i mean they i was celebrating my

big boy birthday and they wouldn't uh let me drink the whiskey or whatever. Oh, yeah, I forgot it was his big boy birthday as well. They don't really take it into consideration. People are celebrating life events. Nor should they. Nor should they, sir. They're not careful. These guys didn't stop for one second to think,

you know what, maybe these people are celebrating their fourth wedding anniversary. Well, that was Bourbon Guys. Tom, tell people where to find you. I'm at the Trillbillies and at Tom Sexton and wherever else you might look. That's Tom. Tom's the best in the world. And Chris, not even a show, at BCcjs yeah i'm doing a lot of voice ai

stuff i just got a ben shapiro voice ai so i'm calling into shows as like gorka and ben shapiro pretending to not be them but it's clearly their voice and it's been a lot of fun because people recognize it as their voice and uh one more time for the people in the back. That's a nice beer. My wife. Can't wait to watch the next beer show.