Guys: With Bryan Quinby - Guys: Episode 81 - Tattoo Guys with Rax King

Episode Date: August 20, 2024

Well Well Well, it's another episode of Guys! This week we finally got to talk about some cool dudes, well, we also talked about some real nerds. What are the rules about paying for a tattoo that you immediately regret? We also have a beautiful story of a tattoo guy being mean. So sit down in my very sanitary chair and shut up. Rax is cooler than me and Chris put together and you can find her here https://x.com/RaxKingIsDead and you can find everything she does here https://www.raxkingisdead.com/ and finally BUY HER BOOK!!! Tacky: Love Letters To The Worst Culture We Have To Offer  See Guys Live in October bit.ly/top3weekendon 10/11 and 10/12 we will be performing at the Biltmore Cabaret in Vancouver. Come hang out with, Chris an I and the Blocked Party guys!!! There is much more Chris at twitter.com/thecjs and of course https://www.patreon.com/notevenashow And for more Guys content, streams and SHOCKTOBER: a deep dive into shock jocks you can click patreon.com/murderxbryan twitter.com/murderxbryan and  https://bsky.app/profile/murderxbryan.bsky.social   Guys is on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/guys.pod Guys has a Post Office Box now! PO Box 10769 Columbus Ohio 43201

Welcome to Guys, a podcast about guys. I'm Brian. I'm here with my co-host, Chris, the Scratcher James. What's up, Chris? The Screr. You're a scratcher. So is that OK? I'm going to try to figure this one out,

because when you get a tattoo and it gets it's itchy initially and then you're you're not supposed to scratch it. But is that what it is? Nope, it's a bad tattoo artist that doesn't follow the rules and gives people hepatitis. Wow, that's a lot worse than what I was imagining. And our guest this week, author of the book, Taki, Rax King. Hi, Rax. Hi, Brian.

Thank you for having me. Now, let's start this episode off right. Rax has tattoos. Me and Chris do not. Chris, you don't have any tattoos, do you? I have zero tattoos I have I've thought about it there's been a couple of times where I've thought about it but I never pulled the trigger. Get a Tasmanian devil where you think? Yeah I was thinking of getting a well I was thinking of getting obviously a barbed wire around my bicep tattoo you know. Well that was and

that was of course one year ago that I was considering doing that. And then I is it cool? Do they still say the stamp one? Is that still I was thinking about getting one of those the tramp stamps and and then also, yeah, Tasmanian Devil. I got to tell you why I said Tasmanian Devil, right? So my brother-in-law that doesn't like me, I've talked about him before. He, uh,

he's a flat earther and he's mad because he thinks I was making fun of him when I made fun of flat earthers on the old show, which is, I mean, come on, you know, you got to expect it. He had, he got married when he was 17. He was in high school still. Well, his he was in high school still. Well, his girlfriend was in high school still. That's... But he was just out of high school, right? He dropped out. He had dropped out.

I realized it sounded bad. He was high school age. They were both the same age. Okay. Even then, though, it is kind of... Getting married at that age, I would say that is too young to get married at 17 in my own humble That's too young to have two kids in my humble opinion as well so anyway They were married for maybe a couple weeks and he got a tattoo of a male

Tasmanian devil that was him on one arm and a female Tasmanian devil that was her on the other arm. That's beautiful. That is the sort of beautiful thing you would do to show your love at the age of 17. You mean like the cartoon, right? Like Taz? Yes, Taz, yeah, yeah. I should have said it that way.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like, you know how Taz sometimes dresses up like a woman? Yeah, he, yeah. It was like, you know how Taz sometimes dresses up like a woman? Yeah, he's beautiful. He looks good when is he doing it usually to trick someone? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. That would be what the Tasmanian devil would do. So yeah, he had one side and he was like wearing jeans and he had like a hat like the guy would wear. So this dude also let my wife tattoo him and she is very much not a tattoo so like just a stick and poke you mean no with a gun because

So my wife was friends with this girl And I've talked about her before on the show actually But she went to one of the parties that turned into an orgy and she stayed for the orgy. She's the one. We don't need to get into that, right? But she went to these parties. He went to where the tattoo gun fits into the orgy part. Yeah, he went to a lot of these parties.

Brian went to a lot of them, just to be clear. And they all turned into orgies and he continued to go back to them. Sure. So anyway. Uh, sure. Her dad was a tattoo artist, like a nasty one, though. Like like, uh, he's a he's like a Nazi guy. Just a real piece of work. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like sawstick a tattoo. I thought you were I thought you it was going to be like, you know, he's just like, he's a, he's a racist Nazi

tattoo artist. Yeah, that's, that's the worst kind. So they go to hang out at his house because he lets them drink and play with the tattoo guns and stuff like that when they're 16. So my wife was there. Her brother was there, he's like, yeah, go ahead, put a tattoo on me. She tried to draw a mushroom and it looked like a tiny small penis and that was it. You're telling me that the Nazi guy wasn't a super responsible father either? No, he wasn't a great father. I only met him once, so I wouldn't know. So anyway, I went to Reddit r slash tattoo. We'll start there.

Obviously, we got some tattoo shop reviews. And have you ever have you ever thought of getting a tattoo? I just want to end. Does your does your wife have an idea for one? OK, what is it? So I want to get Katie. That's my wife's name, Kat. I want to get Katie, that's my wife's name, K-A-T-Y. I want to get that done in a corn font.

You should definitely do that. I know it's a great idea, isn't it? And then I want to get Gwen Gwendolyn in the Deftones font that they use and have it on each wherever they go. I think those are cool tattoos that's like combines my two things, two of my things. And they would kind of appreciate it, right? They like that kind of music as well, right? No.

Would they appreciate it? Absolutely not. My wife likes death tones, but she does not like corn. And my daughter obviously. I know you're, she doesn not like corn and my daughter obviously I know she doesn't like corn well She but she does have respect for the abilities of the monkey right? Let's look at our slash tattoo last week Last week on the are two weeks ago. We talked about on the cruise guys episode a little thing called theft of service

So I thought I'd read this thing paying for bad tattoos from DKMS 9382. He says, here's what may be a controversial question. If it has been asked already, feel free to delete. If you go to a shop and they do a shitty job, would it be unacceptable to deny payment? Like I know you're paying for their time and skill, but I feel that if your final product doesn't match the initial agreed upon designs, I should be able to refuse to pay. Just curious thoughts. Well, I think this would depend and Rax, you have obviously more expertise in this field, but I would think it would depend.

I mean, if you asked for one thing and they gave you something completely different than maybe but if they just did like a bad job, I would think that that's probably a little uncouped, right? Yeah, I mean, hmm. First and foremost, I would never in a million years have the balls to try to do this. Like they could they could tattoo anything they want on my person and I would I would give them a nice tip. Yeah, thank them profusely because that's I just don't have any kind of like interest in standing up for myself I think I'm kind of with you Chris. I think that if it's just completely not what you agreed on then

Yeah, probably but otherwise, I don't know that you should start with I refuse to pay you I feel like you should start with I'm not happy with this Can we adjust it? Can we look into doing something else? But yeah, he went to like Brian's friend, the racist Nazi guy. He's not my friend. Number one, I have not seen this man since like 2000. You went to him and you said, Hey, I want to get Bugs Bunny. And instead he gave you, you know, Adolf Hitler. You could be like, yeah, I don't, I'm not paying for that. You know what he does do? Can I tell you, he initials his tattoos.

Oh, that's so brutal. Yeah. My daughter or my daughter, my wife has a tattoo on her foot of a mushroom and it has his initials on it and a real mushroom. This one, not a. Yeah, yeah. It looks really good to the tattoo. Looks good. OK. It's it's you know, he he initialed it, which is strange, but she's not mad about it. I'm not mad about it. It's fine. So let's see. I arted then farted says, so if you go to a restaurant, eat your entire meal and you decide after that you weren't happy with

the food, does that mean you're allowed to dine and dash? Yeah. I mean, that's a good, but again, I think that my analogy works here because, but it would work differently a little bit. But if you ordered something and they give you a completely different thing, you know what I mean? Then you could probably be like, I don't want that. I want my you know what I mean? Then you would have an argument.

But yeah, if you just got the food and you didn't like it, then no, I think that's just you don't go back. That's what it sounds like. It sounds like Rax is a lot like me in the confrontation department. Yeah, I don't go back. That's the way it works. It sounds like Rax is a lot like me in the confrontation department. Yeah, I don't do it. No, no. And like, okay, so we went out to eat last week

and my daughter got some pancakes that were the rawest pancakes you've ever seen in your entire life. I actually, they were so raw. I almost took a picture of them. And all three of us were sitting at the table like those are very raw. They were white.

These pancakes were fucking white. No yellow at all. No cook. It was all just white. She cut into it because we were like, maybe their pancakes are just white. You know what I mean? Or they try to be hopeful. She cut into them and no, there it was. And like we all three sat at the table like

you should tell them you want it back. And then my wife would be like, oh, if you want me to tell them, I'll do it, but I don't want to do it. And I was like, if you want me to do it, I think you won't even do it. I want to like, I get it. But the in that situation, that's not even being confrontational. You know what I mean? I don't think anybody's going to be upset. I think you can really just be like, hey, this isn't cooked. As long as you're saying it in a nice way and you're not being rude, I think it's totally fine.

I, of course, Brian, as you know, I'm very confrontational and I will have a confrontation. But I would think it depends on what it is. You know, I mean, again, if if I got something and it wasn't good, then usually the my way of is usually non confrontational. It's usually just not going back to that place again. You know, that's generally how I deal with it. Well, here's where a tattoo guy pops in and says some tattoo stuff. A meal that will be shat out the next day versus ink in your dermis. So he's just and the guy goes in those versus ink in your dermis. So he's just, um, and the guy goes

in those cases, ink in your dermis. Yeah. Very unappealing way of phrase what a tattoo is. Don't say ink in your dermis to me ever, sir. Don't say dermis. Please stop saying dermis. It's bad. It sounds like a disease. I know what it is. I know it's not a disease, but I just, I hate it. I hate Latin. So this guy, I will say the guy we're listening, one of the guys who are the I-arted than I farted

is a verified apprentice. So he is in an apprenticeship. So he is in the tattoo shop and he's defending the bad tattoo guy from the customers. And he goes, in both cases, the work is already done. It's called theft of service, which is, it's called no such thing. It's called all kinds of other shit other than theft of service. I don't like this guy's tone.

I know, I know. Clients don't get to just arbitrarily not pay for work. If you have an issue, you need to talk to the artists or the owner of the shop, but people don't get to just not pay on their own sole discretion. So he's kind of right. He's just kind of a he said he uses service, which is service is a buzzword for us in the guys universe because you know, it's we heard it before for one and it just is sort of a thing guys would say. But yeah, I mean, it is kind of if you're just going to go and get a tattoo and then not pay for it, you are stealing from them.

You know, like I do believe that that is true. I just wish he wasn't such a fucking nerd about it, you know? Yeah, I feel like, you know, what it is for me is like, there's such a range of how much tattoos can cost. Like you got these little shops where guys will do just any tiny thing for like $75. And then you've got artists who charge like hundreds of dollars an hour. And I feel like if you're going to one of the guys who charges hundreds of dollars an hour, you are going to have plenty of lead time to see that it's not coming out how you

want. If you're going to like $75 mushroom that looks like a penis tattoo artist, you get what you pay for. Like that person told you how much this thing was going to cost. And that number maybe should have told you that it wasn't going to be the most professional looking tattoo anyone ever had. So yeah, yeah, Brian, you should that's the old Brian. Brian always pays the most for something. Yeah. So he would never get done like this. That's this guy goes. Yeah. But the taste of burnt steak and overcooked spinach isn't going to be in your mouth for the rest of your life. Either I paid $150

for a horrible tattoo. Just an outline of the Roman numeral 19 on my chest. But the ink fell out multiple times after touch ups from the same artist. The lines are uneven and shaky, multiple touch ups in the line. You should have somebody else. Yeah. Why did you go back to the same person that you are? Or maybe they only... No, once it started to sort of... Yeah, why didn't you go to a different person to touch it up? Usually artists will touch up their own stuff for free. And sometimes if you go to like a different artist, you might have to pay. That's why I have to touch it up. It's like

the tiniest shittiest little thing. I just live with it. We're just covered up or covered up with a different tattoo or you can get tattoos removed. Right. Like it's it's not like it was removed. It sounds like it just fell out on its own. Exactly. It fucking did the work for you. It's like, Oh, this tattoo sucks. Oh, big. its own. That's right. Exactly. It fucking did the work for you. It's like, oh, this tattoo sucks. Oh, big one. Okay. It's gone now.

Yeah. Problem solved. He's like, I want my shitty statue to stay on my body. Yeah. Like, what's your problem? He goes, he pressed down so hard. I felt my collarbone vibrating the first time around. Kinda wish he had that out of his, kind of wish he had that out of his kindly

wish he had that out of his check and I could get a cover up of the same value done for free from a different artist in the shop. I'd tip the artist well of course, but at the end of the day at the shop getting fucked for hiring somebody so incompetent that's giving out horrible tattoos. Also not not the only person that had this experience. I passed by the shop a couple of times and had couples and individuals saying that the tattoo that they got from the same guy turned out horribly. But you just heard them saying-

Then why'd you go to that guy? Was he just walking by the street and he heard them saying it outside of the tattoo shop? No, go to Darryl. Darryl sucks shit. And then he's like, I gotta check out this Darryl guy for myself. Darryl Thomas has messed up my tattoo

in this particular way. Like he just walked by and heard that? Yeah, he got a bad tattoo from a guy and he walked by and he keeps hearing people say that guy had a bad tattoo. That guy gave bad tattoos. Like, holy shit, man. It's like the hipster coffee shop. Yeah, it's over heard at a hipster coffee shop,

but it's I walked by a tattoo like you'd have to be hanging out by maybe he hangs out by a tattoo shop and maybe he's all off in there and he's hanging out there or maybe as I think racks out maybe he's he's gone back there or something like that. And now he's hearing other people say that it's bad there. I don't. I don't know what... I think there's a good chance he's lying. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I do too. The thing I've learned is a lot of tattoo reviews are from guys that are just... They're just really mad. More mad than usual. But that makes sense in a way, because as they're pointing out, this is sort of a thing

that is... You a thing that is, you know, you can cover it up, but bigger ones are very difficult to cover up and costly to cover up. And then also getting them removed is painful and costly and takes a long period of time. I know that because the guy who got the stuff tattooed on his face, what to look like violent J or whatever. Do you remember? You know what I'm talking about? Brian? I think I do. Yeah, it was a guy who got all of that made fun of him. Yeah, he got maybe it was shaggy too dope. He got the all the ICP tattoos on his face like tattooed the makeup on his face and then he

had to get it removed. I remember it took like a long time to do. So I understand being upset if you get it. Like it's more upsetting to get a terrible tattoo than it is to get a terrible haircut or a terrible meal or a terrible, you know, like it's, it's, it's less reversible, less reverse. Well, also it's something we haven't really ever got to touch on on the show because we haven't really done one of these things and this is a great episode for this is like tattoo artists are kind of surly. A lot of times it's not about customer service.

I guess it's really they decide what they're going to do and they're just going to do it. That's the way it is. You know, like I've been trying to I've tried to buy my wife tattoo gift cards, but they're like, Well, what kind of tattoo do you want? I'm like, I don't fucking know. It's not me. It's my wife. She probably wants a bird or something. She loves nature. I don't know. So this guy goes, My first tattoo was someone who claimed to be an artist and had an amazing portfolio on Instagram. During the session, I noticed he kept asking for help from the other artists. I got nervous and asked to see the tattoo and noticed that the lines were super wonky. So I asked him if I can

come back because I didn't feel comfortable getting tattooed anymore. As I was leaving, an artist pulled me aside and asked me why I was getting tattooed by him. I told him that is probably a good feeling. Why are you doing this? Putting art onto your body and somebody, one of his coworkers pulls you aside to say, why are you letting him do this to you? He goes, I told him his portfolio had some really nice work, so I trusted him. He asked me to show him his Instagram and it turned out he was stealing the pictures from other artists and passing it off as his own.

This happens a lot. I would imagine. I would imagine that in the modern day that that would be a thing people would do, you know? I mean, because- What is the end game there? You make this portfolio of other people's art. It's all completely fake.

Some guy sees this portfolio, he comes into your shop. He's like, I want you to do this exact thing that you did on someone else's body, you yourself specifically for me. And then what happens? Like, yeah, this is the exact scenario. You fuck it up. You collect your cash, you get your briefcase and you head on out to the next tattoo parlor. That's what happens. You go on a tattoo parlor tour around the country and you work for every single one. I like the idea of the guy who does all that work, rips off the stuff from the Instagram, gets a job at a tattoo

shop, does everything. And then he does one tattoo, collects the money. As we know, you have to you have to do like apprentice work and stuff. So I just I don't know that that that type of I don't even know that this is even a true story necessarily. Or like, maybe I think somebody like they add different work on to it, maybe to to like pad out like, how did he get a job at the at the tattoo shop? Do you know what I mean? Next line, he goes, he wasn't even a legit apprentice yet. He just wandered in off the street.

I was thinking, where, where, how, who was letting him tattoo there? Why was the shop letting him? They got bamboozled by the end of it. It sounds like they know about the Instagram. They know about it. He's supposed to be mopping the floor and a guy walks in and he's like, chill. I'm like, man, I don't know. Nobody else was there. They were all out getting lunch. Instagram know about it. He's supposed to be mopping the floor and a guy There they were all out getting lunch and he's just like looked around he's just like are you a tattoo artist and he's just like

Yeah Showed another guy's Side on the way out is killing me. Hey, why did you decide to get a tattoo by the guy that answers the phone? Why didn't you speak up before, bro? He's just standing there watching silently. Like I should really say something. I should say something about this. Listen, I'd have the worst tattoo in the world if I got stuck in that situation.

Because I would not say a word. I would just let him finish and tip him and leave. I'm like this guy that says I still paid him like an idiot, but I never went back to that artist. Well, of course. Because he's not an artist. He's just some guy wandered in one day and was like wearing a fake mustache pretending that he's done this before.

Jesus Christ. Yeah, one of those Mission Impossible masks that looks like one of the other guys that work for the Detectives. When he's done fucking it up, he rips it off. Ah man. Let's take a look here and let's see what else we got here. Tattoo artist, oh, this is a great one. I think you guys will like this. This is from Potato Cretin.

And he says tattoo artist repeated a flash because another client offered more money. So a flash is a tattoo when you walk in, they got the shit on the wall and you can pick a tattoo there, right? So In my research I found that there are different kinds of flash in there And so this guy got a certain kind and he'll explain it I got a flash tattoo from an artist who did not state that his flash sheet was repeatable after I booked my appointment

He crossed out the design and wrote claimed over it. This seems to be the standard practice in my country. For example, flash tattoos are non-repeatable and tattoo artists will usually state explicitly if it is repeatable. Anyway, a few days ago after I got tattooed, he posted the same design on someone else. I was a bit annoyed but didn't think much of it. But a couple of days after he posted on the stories he texted me out of the blue to say that he's sorry but he also gave the design to someone else. He apparently told her

no and she offered more money and he couldn't reject it. This is what really pisses me off because one you had no qualms repeating a supposedly non repeatable flash since you very openly posted about it. After apologizing, he posted design again on the same client. And that makes his apology completely pointless. And it felt as if he was worried I might tell him off or call him out, which is why he apologized first, but probably not the case since he continued posting about the same design. I didn't want to make a big deal out of it, but it's been bothering me for a while. It might not have affected me as much as if he didn't send me that text.

Why is so much of this about the politics of this guy's apology and how pointless it is or is not? Why does it matter so much? He's got to collect your brain a little bit, like one of one. He wants that, you know? He does, but we're starting to learn now that overdoing the show for, for almost two years or whatever, that there are certain guys who judge an apology, like very harshly and like you could never win, you know, we've heard guys say, he asked me how my day was going, but he didn't really care. Yeah. It's like, well, you got to understand. Nobody really cares.

They're full. I think that's the thing you're supposed to do. And he was trying to get out ahead of it because that's the thing it seems with the tattoo world. You might be able to speak to this. Right. Is there are a fucking lot of call outs. There's a lot of call outs. There's also I mean, I think these sorts of rules that this guy's talking about like the you can only use each piece of flash one time or whatever, like I've never heard of that one specifically. But there's a lot

of kind of fussy little rules like that. And I've only ever heard of artists getting kind of pissy about having those rules violated. I've never heard of something like this where the customer is the one who's really into the protocol of what tattoo artists can and cannot do. And I feel like after the second time, you saw the same piece of flash on the same guy's Instagram, like the jig is up. I don't care. Like he says in my country, that's the standard I do not know what

country this is, where you can only use a piece of flash one time because that's kind of the point of flash is it's like easy replicable. And it's weird because there's more comments on it too. So collector, I'm telling you, that's why this guy has the brain of a collector where he wants to have that Unique like that one of what you know, he wants to be the one who has it, you know But it's not even something he thought of right, right? That's what I mean

I mean, it's not like a thing that's like it How is it that special to you you walked in and pointed at the wall and said? No one else can have it. You didn't even make it up. Yeah, it's a very cool way to think. I really, really like it a lot. Here's this random thing I just saw on the wall, and I don't want anyone else to have it.

I mean, I can't imagine being precious about the tattoo that I got after I walked in and pointed at something on the wall I explained again what what is exactly the crux of what it what he's getting really mad about The guy did the tattoo and then in front of him Crossed it out on the board and said this one's claimed nobody else can have it then it's just that he He doesn't want anyone else to have no and then they gave it to somebody else But did it again? Oh, yes, I so I I'm okay. So just to be clear then I am 100% on this guy's side Then he said he was okay with it the crux of it the thing he's pissed off about is that the guy apologized

He apology right he's pissy about the fucking apology. If the guy had said nothing, this would be a non-issue. He would just have to deal with it himself. And now it's an apology. Yeah, he's it's you know, it's pretty soft to be apologizing. Just fucking stand. Listen, I'm I am. 100 percent still in support of this guy. Here's a brutal one. Here Here's another one that's really,

LMAO, I'm sorry that happened. I've had what I thought was a custom tattoo turned to merch and I just don't know about people wearing shirts and stickers with what I thought would be my own tattoo, but shit, I guess we all got fucking bills to pay, but this sucks. We pay good money for a reason. But the only reason I can imagine being really pissy about

this sort of thing is if you like drew the art yourself. Yes. And you know, like made up all the art yourself didn't just tell the artist what you wanted it to look like you drew it. You had them put it on. Yeah, yeah. And then they turned it into merch like that. Yeah, totally. But you just walk into a shop and you're like, I want that sick ass spider. And the guy puts the spider on you and then he puts the spider on other people. You weren't even the first person to see the spider.

I'm sorry. But I want the spider for just me. Yeah, my spider. But, Rex, are you familiar with the website called the Chive? The Chive? Yeah. Oh, no, no, no. I just want to say the chivalry is a place that the chive you can. I do say go look into the chive, definitely, if you're not familiar with it. But the chivalry sells challenge coins

and we're hoping to sell some challenge coins ourselves. But basically, there's some of them that are like one of five. And those cost a lot of money So if say I was buying one of my chive challenge coins Which I do every month and I bought one of five and it was two thousand dollars and all of a sudden they made 25 more of them Losing my mind because of the value because of the value of my jive coin. Right, sure, the value. The value of my jive coin is now seriously deteriorating.

And there is a country where it does hold value. The flash is cheap. It always is. That's the reason you get it. Yeah, that's the same attitude these guys have. Though it's just like, I'm paying more money to have this thing that you know, thing that is unique for me and then now you're giving it to other people. But really it's like who fucking care, you know, unless everyone has it. Right.

You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He goes, uh, uh, this other guy goes, this happened to both myself and my wife. We follow a ton of tattoo artists on Instagram and artists two States away posted one of a kind flash I wouldn't even call it flash, but just some of his design So we made a deposit and even booked it. He even updated his book with claimed over the design We drove up she got the tattoo took several hours and it was the size of my hand like two weeks later

He posts the same tattoo just different colors. Well, that's a different tattoo the same tattoo just different colors. Well, that's a different tattoo. That's not the same tattoo. And why do you fucking care? You didn't come up with it. You just saw it and wanted it. Well, because I think that's a good excuse, my man, because it said one of one.

That's not one of one. That's one. I even get that dude with like Funko pops or whatever. You know what I mean? Because then you're mad because your Funko pop isn't worth anything. You can't sell a fucking tattoo. It's not worth anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's the truth of it.

There's the resale thing doesn't exist anymore. And that's the only real argument that you can have for it. That any like reasonable person would sort of accept, you know, you're probably never even gonna see one of the other people who has your same piece of flash. Even if they live in your fucking neighborhood, you probably won't see them. And who knows where it's gonna be?

Is it gonna be in a part of their body that is not covered? You know what I mean? It might even be on their back or something that's generally covered, you know, or like their bicep or something. I feel like there must be some kind of like tattoo etiquette that I am just completely unaware of that multiple people are like, brother, I feel your pain.

I also thought that I claimed the spider just me, my spider, no one else's. And I'm like, who the fuck cares? Like what am I missing about the etiquette of the situation? Well I think what you're learning right now is that you are a person with tattoos and you are not a tattoo guy. Yeah, this is kind of a load off my mind actually that I'm like normal. Yeah, yeah.

You find a lot of times somebody come on the show that we have because they're kind of part and they're like, oh, okay, I'm not one, thank you. Thank you for pointing these guys out for me because being a tattoo guy does not mean having a lot of tattoos, just to be clear. Plenty of people. Yeah. Like, I mean, my partner, Ariel, who, you know, mother of my child, my partner, who I live with in the other room as tattoos all over her body.

Talk to bottom, but I wouldn't say that she's a tattoo guy either, you know, because mine happened with an artist at a tattoo convention. So this is, they're commiserating. Mine. Mine happened. My mama. God, yeah, it's like a fucking event that happened, like a wartime event.

Like this guy's worst memory is this situation. Yeah, that is super perfect, cause he goes, we love going to the, mine happened with an artist at a tattoo convention. We love going to them and we'll travel all over the place to go and artists had two books out, repeatable and non-repeatable. You paid a premium for the one of a kind.

So I got one and he crossed it off. A few months later in a different show, I saw the guy and was just flipping through. He literally just reprinted the page and put it back in his book. So I feel your frustration, but hey, I just look at it like I got a cool tattoo that everyone wants. Well, yeah, exactly. That's a good attitude to have. And also, let's be honest with you, you were going through

his book to see if that tattoo is fucking available again. 100%. I was just coming through to see what else he had of it. No, you weren't. Yeah, you were trying to cut it out. Yeah. You were like not looking at any pages. You're like, the same way when I'm at like a baseball card show and I'm thumbing through looking for one specific player, you know, and I'm just going really bad. I go to the bookstore looking for my book and I kind of try to make it look like I'm looking at all the books and I just kind of gradually making my way to K and then I linger at K for as long as

it takes and then I leave the store. It is. This guy goes, the entire reason for the existence of Flash is repeatable tattoos and something to sell to other artists. That being said, it sounds like your artist violated a local social norm and should offer you something as compensation as the understood contract was violated. Excuse me, but you have violated a local social norm. Not an LSN. Oh, I hate to see that. Here's a good one. I looked up, this is from Newtigious and he goes, me and my fiance for many years are talking

about getting matching penis tattoos. Nope, absolutely not. They might be in the lifestyle. Well, no. The penis lifestyle? Well, maybe they are because he goes, okay, so this is probably weird, but me and my fiance, he gives you the tattoo idea which makes me so happy because I was like I'm sure there are a lot of guys that want penis tattoos that are just like hey I keep it to myself you know nobody needs to know about my penis tattoo he goes okay so this is

probably weird but me and my fiance have been talking about getting matching tattoos well I brought up the idea of dick tattoos and he was like okay and I went on to say why not have a heart on each one and when we put them together, they have a full heart. Tattoos on their dicks, not a tattoo of a tattoo of a dick. Okay, okay. It makes more sense. And I got a got a got now I'm starting to picture it. So and they're saying that when they put their dicks together, like side by side, though, or or like, yeah, front or tip to tip tip to tip. Yeah, I wonder. But either way, I am

saying this is a very good and funny idea. Well, and it's very, but it's very funny also, you know what I mean? Like there's a visual humorous element to this. I thought it was unique and something no one else has and something intimately private. If anyone has any comments or ideas or concerns, I'd love to hear them. Penis tattoo, the only answer he got was penis tattoos don't look good at all. They have to be done when flaccid.

Then God knows how it'll look when things get bigger, shall we say. Shall we say. Yeah, that's kind of neat though. You could have a short man tattooed on your penis and then when you get a boner, he's a tall man. You know? You could do all kinds of fun, mad magazine type stuff with a penis tattoo that I think

they should really explore. Yeah, it would be more difficult to do. It would take a lot of skill as an artist. You would have to measure things out and sort of graft it out and figure out what... You'd have to do things hard and sort of figure out... You know, it would be very... It would be scientific, dare I say, in a way, and also artistic. It would be quite an incredible thing to see.

But yeah, I do understand what the person's saying because you're tattooing for a long time. I guess you could take a Viagra or something to keep the dick hard, but it would be hard for the dick to like, I'm going to need an AMS 700 to keep it hard. Yeah, we don't need to get into all of that, but, um, it's like a best friends locket though, with the two hearts that fit together. I think that's cute. It's cute and funny and good.

I like it, definitely. Better than just- These two crazy kids are gonna make it. It's so much better than what Rex and I originally thought, which was just each of them getting a tattoo of a penis. Yeah, that I did not like one bit. No. So I went to Quora, and there was this question.

He goes, this is a tattoo guy asking the non-tattoo guys was this question and goes, this is for the this is a tattoo guy asking the non tattoo guys a question and goes, if you're not into tattoos, what is your reason why? And Greg Tater answered. A lot of tater talk. Tater. Great tater sounds like someone who's not into tattoo. He goes because they're fundamentally dumb Okay, Greg, fuck you Greg Tater is calling them And he

Greg Tater you're gonna realize that you wouldn't like him. Anyway, I already knew I I'm not even joking. I didn't I already knew I didn't like him anyway. I already knew I didn't. I'm not even joking. I already knew I didn't like him. I can't explain why, but I just knew I don't like a guy named Greg Tater. I just don't. I don't like a guy. So he goes first, no matter how quote beautiful any specific one might look when you get one,

it's not Da Vinci. What? Well, suck a dick, Greg Tater. Not everything, most things are not Da Vinci. Yeah, almost everything isn't like the best thing of the thing. Yeah. Yeah. Most stuff is just like fine or bad. He goes, second, they show a lack of judgment. People change over time.

They have new experiences and learn more about the world. See, this is the fundamental misunderstanding of this guy of tattoos is that like he thinks, and I'm sure it happens a lot, but I think most people that get tattoos and then grow to be different, still look at, as long as they're not racist tattoos and they grew to be not racist, they probably say, that's a part of my life.

That tattoo right there, that was, it's not about like making sure that you're like you updated every two years. That everything on your body is representative of your current like, you know, self. Yeah. You know, it's, I never even really thought of it that way, but that is like a really good way to think of it. And I imagine, yeah, like, that is kind of cool to have this sort of visual representation of different periods of your life that you can sort of look down upon and get reminded of, for better or worse, you know? And hopefully the ones you see a lot are the good ones or whatever, you know? I mean, for me, like, yeah, that's exactly it. I have tattoos from when I was like 17 years old,

16, 17 years old. And I probably wouldn't get the same ones if I had it to do over like right now, but it's nice to look at it and remember like, oh, this is from when I went into the tattoo shop with my best friend's ID and pretended to be 5'7", by wearing super tall shoes. Like it's not just about whatever the tattoo is. It's a little snapshot.

It's like having a disposable camera photo. And like the ones that that I don't necessarily still like love every day of my life, I just don't think about. I don't think about any of them very often. Even the ones I see all the time. It just kind of blends in. Or like, I mean, even like it's it's this thing this guy thinks that people with tattoos are sitting around thinking about their tattoos all the time. Right, yeah. Why would you do that? He goes, think back to when you were a five-year-old child

or remember what was the most important thing in the world to you? Was it the same when you were 12 or 20? Well, wait a second, you're not getting, people who are five should not be getting tattoos As a father to a baby now, I'm well your baby's not five yet. So you don't know how mature Get tattoos when he's five because they know that he's he will make some poor decisions on what tattoos to get at that age I agree, you know Parents and you know rules my child. My child's first tattoo,

what's a good age to let a child get their first tattoo? Mine got hers at 18 because tattoo artists generally won't do a tattoo. So 18 it is. I'm the only person who lives in my house that doesn't have a tattoo. My daughter has a tattoo, my wife has, my daughter has two tattoos, my wife has I think three. So she gets like she loves nature and shit. Yeah. Anywhere you go, she gets like a tree from that area.

You're coming to Vancouver and hopefully she's going to get a tree from this area. Yeah. I mean, Ariel probably has I don't know I'm going to be she has like big like her whole back is that like she has tons and tons and tons So he goes Greg Tater goes on to say so unless you're never planning to learn and grow why mark yourself permanently with something That seems cool to you today. I don't hate them and a relative relatively unobtrusive one here There can be dismissed as a youthful indiscretion Hey Greg Tater fucking meet me behind the fucking. I hate this guy. He's old.

This guy's old and religious, though. I don't even know if he's religious. He's religious. He's religious. He's religious. He could also easily be like 25 and way too into Man of Sphere shit, because you hear this kind of stuff. Yeah, that's true. Women specifically all the time. A beautiful woman with a tattoo is like a Ferrari with a bumper sticker on

it. I will fucking kill you. Yeah. Oh my God. That's true. Younger, like 20 something guys now are starting to talk like old loser religious people. The thing is, like, there have always been, there've always been guys that are in their twenties that, that like, when, when like some old conservative guys like Zoomers are fucking, you know, always looking at their phones and stuff like that. And he'll be like, I don't look at my phone. But yeah, I've noticed that a lot of people my age, like looking at their phones, like, like the guys that'll sell out. They're like, oh, like the guy that's 17 and says they don't make any good music anymore and only listens to like Led Zeppelin and stuff.

That's a classic type of guy. Yeah, there's always one or two guys that are trying to be the better representative of their community to old people. And that is the thing. He goes, as far as facial and neck and head tattoos, those are just a way to advertise an extremely low IQ. When was this written? When was this written? What year?

Four years ago, 2020. Yeah, because I will say... Oh, get out of here. 2020 is the same as now except for COVID. It is. It is. You're right. But yeah, because even like 10 years ago, though, I will say that that was the sort of prevailing thought that a person has a face tattoo or a neck tattoo that's like a criminal or like somebody who's a dangerous person. But I would say that's definitely not the case anymore. You know, in the last like 10 years or whatever,

that's kind of, you see people, at least where I live, like in Vancouver, you see people constantly with neck and neck tattoos, definitely, but face tattoos and stuff like that, working at jobs and, you know, working normal jobs and stuff, yeah. So before jobs and you know working normal jobs and stuff. Yeah. So before we get to reviews, I want to read this post because it kind of ties into everything that we've been sort of talking about. And the question here is, can you steal a tattoo?

Hey people, I have a question. I'm hoping someone can give some insight to regarding tattoo etiquette between friends. My daughter has a pretty cool tattoo of a rose flower going up her forearm. I rose flower going to all the rows. Right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Right. Is it? I think it is. Yeah. He goes, the artist designed it, but it isn't too unique, but a bit different than some than some you see. But she thinks of it as her own her friend wanting a tattoo of a scorpion, which is pretty cool. That's bad as a scorpion. almost sting your ass you know. Her friend who wants wanting a tattoo of a scorpion asked to see my daughter's tattoo as to judge the artist's work even though he has tons of pics on Instagram and Facebook. My daughter thinking nothing of it because her friend sent her a pic of her tattoo.

Well, her friend decided not to get the scorpion but instead almost an exact copy of my daughter's tattoo wrapped around her wrist and up the arm a bit. Different location sort of but almost the same tattoo. My daughter's pissed and I'm agreeing with her. It seems dirty to me and a betrayal. I'm curious if she and me to some degree are just being petty. After all, a rose tattoo is not all that uncommon. I also don't want to blame the artist because who knows what she told him.

So he's like to invest it in this situation. Yeah, he's trying to like he seems to kind of understand that he's maybe, you know, he's like, are we being too petty? Like he kind of, there's a part of him that's like, I kind of know, but there's a, you know, I think really his daughter's really upset. Do you know what I mean? That'll get you upset. Yeah, that'll get you upset. I think, right, Brian, you can speak to that. But like, I think that that's really where he's just like, I don't want my daughter to be so upset. And I want to get some advice here on how I could possibly, you know, this is, I mean, this sounds like young girl,

like, you know, like, teenage girls or whatever, like, just kind of having a little in fight about something. I think this kind of thing happens quite regularly with not just tattoos, you know? Haircuts, outfits, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, man, exactly. Anything that you look at, you don't want other people to rip off your thing. But I think Chris is right that the guy, some part of him senses that he shouldn't get too invested in this and neither should his daughter probably. But I feel like he posted this hoping that somebody was going to reply like you're absolutely right. This is a betrayal. What

you need to do is roll up to this bitch's house. Where do you have lead pipes? Yeah, like it's just like, okay, so where where is the location of the year? This is a betrayal the tattoo artist needs. Where can you get a gun, you know? Like just stuff like that. And he's just like, okay, good, here we go, you know? I'm gonna come out a little different and say that a tattoo of a rose flower is pretty common. And like, maybe they look the same, but her daughter went to the same artist and said, I'd like a rose flower and got it.

You know what I mean? Like if other people are gonna do that too. Yeah, at a different location. And it sounds like wrapping around maybe. Yeah, yeah. But still, yeah, I mean. But who cares? I just, who cares?

You're right, but I think it's the same sort of thing where it's just like, I don't know if they're teenagers, but it sounds like the type of a fight that teenagers would have. And I think that it's just that kind of thing. Like, how dare you? This is my tattoo and she's just that kind of thing, like how dare you? Like this is my tattoo and like, and she's just distraught over it

because she has a lot of like emotions and stuff. Let's take a look at some of the comments here. First guy goes, this feels like if your friend gave their kid the same name, you already had named your kid, especially if it was like a family name for you. And they were just like, oh, that's such a nice name. Yeah, that's not, no, no, I don't think this guy think the name is.

I think a name is a little bit more right. I think it's more and also like a family name. Like this is my grandfather's name. Like we're naming him like Donovan, who is like my father, you know, and then it's just like, hey, that's cool. Am I going to name my kid Donovan? It's just like, well, that's fucking that's weird. Weird. Not a betr- that's weird. Yeah. Yeah. It's just weird. This guy goes, this happened to my girlfriend. It was a memorial tattoo too.

That's not the same. And that is, that's fucked up. And again fucked up it again. I would hear some more specifics about that And her friend got almost the same tattoo in the same location. They don't talk anymore. Well. Yeah, I mean that is weird Like all this is weird It just feels like something that would go on in that community to me That seems like almost that seems like almost harassment or something. Not knowing all of the details, but it's like if you get a memorial tattoo for say your loved one dies or whatever, and then somebody gets almost the same exact tattoo in the same place without the memorial thing almost to sort of mock you.

I don't know. I was going to say though. But we don't need more details on that. I have a few of the same tattoos as my best friend. And there's a way to do that where it's like flattering, you know, like teenage girls, you've got that thing, you don't want your best friend to go out, get the same haircut as you right after you get it. But also, if you have a conversation, and she says that looks really cute on you, I'm gonna go do the same thing.

That's also flattering. Like it sort of seems like a clumsy attempt at flattery. The original rose flower situation, not the memorial tattoo situation. They could have had a conversation first as well, but again, when you're younger, you're not necessarily, you don't think about that kind of thing. But yeah, you don't have manners.

You don't have manners. If you're a parent, you could probably express about that kind of thing. But yeah, manners, you don't have manners. If you're a parent, you could probably express that to your daughter, too. Yeah, that's the kind of thing I do. If she gets mad about some shit, I'm like, well, it's not worth it. So this person says I had someone copy mine and it sucks because it makes you feel like someone genuinely pushed you and grabbed your shit and ran. No, it doesn't. Doesn't make you feel that way. Two different situations. What that is. pushed you and grabbed your shit and ran. No, it doesn't.

Two different situations. What that is. Yeah. Um, so getting a tattoo in general, when it comes to things like roses, isn't really stealing unless there's some specific contributing factors to the tattoo that were also copied, then I would concede to it being stolen. So now we're going to go to some reviews and, uh, only one Columbus Columbus review guys because it's very long. Okay. Oh Good long. I that this is not surprising because again, like I said, this is I would think people would get really upset about the this Compared to other products and services and as we said earlier sirliness

Very like listen, I think it's like going to the record store. I think you should know that that's going to be part of the experience. You know what I mean? Is that like, if you get a tattoo artist that's like really nice, you just consider yourself lucky. You know what I mean? Because I've been in these places before and they're just kind of like a lot of times very surly. So Mike went to high street tattoo, which is actually by my house. Near this place. It has 4.2 stars. So Mike is an outlier in this review, but he gave him one star

and he goes, I had ridden my bike to this shop on a summer Sunday. I'd fallen off my bike on the way and had a scratch on my arm. As soon as I got there, I had asked to bring my bike inside because there wasn't a bike rack. The front desk woman called someone over. I believe he was the manager and named Josh. He had tattoos all over his face. He asked where my bike was. And I said in the entrance of the shop at the bottom of the stairs, he went and looked and then said to me, does this look like a motor vehicle shop, which

is weird because bikes don't have it's fairly common to bring a bike into a place that you're going to be spending time at and he goes, he goes, he goes, I started to say that my bicycle isn't a motor vehicle, but I decided not to argue back. He made a few more comments than told me to take the bike outside. I said that I'm planning on spending money and do not want my bike to get stolen. He could have just said no instead of being a smart ass.

And then he looked at me and he said, what do you want? I told him that I drew a tattoo that I wanted on a tattoo creator app on my phone, and then started looking for the app in the picture that I had drew. He cut me off and asked me what a tattoo creator app. Listen, I'm you get out of there, man. Just want you there. They don't like you. They had you pegged right when you fucking walked in. You're a little fucking nerd. You're a little fucking

nerd, you're a little fucking computer app nerd, and they don't want to fucking hang out anywhere near you. They don't want your business. You know he's making fun of you. You know this guy was like some cool ass tattoo guy with fucking tattoos. He's like, this ain't no fucking motor vehicle. He's fucking with the guy's like, the guy, you know, and then the guy, you know, what do you want? Like, I can just picture this scene. And I really do like it. I really do. I really like this seat. It goes on. It's so weird. It gets weirder and weirder as you go. And you can tell that's the truth. And like I read in a lot of tattoo forums, that if somebody comes in, and he seems like kind of a dork

That they'll just and they don't want to do it. He seems like he's gonna be annoying and write a long one-star review That they'll a lot of times just quote them a price that they would never pay But if they do pay it then it's where I don't want you fucking money. It was worth it. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, but they know yeah, Yeah, that would make sense that they'd see somebody like this and be like, yeah, only for about $800 am I gonna spend five hours with this fucking movie. Can I say also, there's a line in here that's really, there's a line in here that's really illustrative

of what the customer was like is when he says, I'm planning on spending money. Oh god. Every like every customer in the world ever. Right. They're all planning on it. Every guy that walks in here. Every single customer in the history of the world.

This guy was toast the second he said tattoo design app. Yeah. Those words come out of his mouth. Oh buddy. He is the ponzo. That's what I'm saying. the second he said tattoo design app. Yeah, those words come out of his mouth. That's what I'm saying. He brings his fucking phone out like and the guy even said the guy cut him off. Like don't fucking give me your phone to show me an app man. I don't even want to see that shit. And app and and like also you're coming in there and being like, I did. Here's this I wanted exactly like you like because a lot of times tattoo artists, they'll do the flash stuff.

I think it seems like a more sticky situation when you bring in a design to me. Like from what I've been reading of the places, some of the artists are kind of like, well, they only do work with it. Yeah, they only do certain styles, some artists and stuff too, right? Sometimes you'll come in and you'll bring something

and it's like, I can't do a tattoo in that style I don't tattoo in that style. I have no you know, so yeah, it doesn't always work that way the most part Yeah walk-ins will do like off the wall or like their own designs and stuff or work with you a little bit and then otherwise You'll have a tattoo artist like racks, but you'll have someone then you can like work with them and say this is the design I want maybe they'll do a design of it or whatever and stuff like that. I love the line though he goes he cut me off off and asked me what a tattoo creator app was I then stated that it was a mobile application that is used to sketch tattoos as the name implies.

Well, it's it's actually a mobile application that's To as the name implies Does your job for you? Also? I'm gonna leave my bike in the basement of your building You have anywhere that I could keep me that I could you have something I could wipe off my glasses what they fogged up a little bit He is such a dud this guy I would want him out Yeah, I can already read that his vibes are such a dork man coming in on his back with his fucking helmet on You know, he's got his helmet on Application ready to go not ready to go he's Trying to find the amount I think it's on the second page

I'm trying to find the amount. What I think it's on the second page here. Like ten full seconds of silence. When did I? Oh, I know I've done the folders here. I'm just trying to show them a YouTube video. I can't do that shit. Because right when I, he goes, this guy's, he goes, right when I showed him the picture,

he said very loudly that he would not put that tattoo on himself while looking disgusted. So I asked why. He repeated saying that he wouldn't put that tattoo on a customer, totally ignoring my question. After the third time that I asked him why he finally responded. He said that the tattoo is too flat because it was sketched with Adobe. Torque man this guy's such a game. I then repeated what I had said

earlier that it was made on a mobile app tattoo creator and then I know that it was made flat. Hence the whole reason I wanted to come in and speak to an artist. I was mostly ready to walk. Mostly. There's still a part of him. He's like this guy, it seems like this guy could have fucking like this guy, it seems like this guy could have fucking horse slapped him and he still would have been like, I don't know, I would like 15% off for that place. This is such a- He's standing there like, this is going okay.

I mean, I kinda wanna walk, but maybe it's gonna work out. This guy has zero, like he doesn't, he can't sense that the situation is bad, uh, like he doesn't, he can't sense that the situation is bad. It seems like he goes, uh, I then repeated what I had said earlier that it was okay. And in fact, hence the whole reason I came to speak to an artist. I was almost ready to walk on because of how rude this guy was and also how idiotic he was, he did not seem interested in my inquiries at all and was very unwilling to help in any sort of way. From here everything became worse.

Went downhill from here? I thought we were in the bottom of the pit. There's lower on the... the bottom of the pit. There's lower on the. He goes up from here. Everything became worse. He asked what I wanted to do with my horrible drawing. This guy just this guy is bored. He was bored.

Now he's just like messing with this nerd. I hope he said it exactly like that. I hope he said so. What do you want to do with your horrible drawing? Yeah. What do you want to do? I repeated myself again, stating that I wanted an artist to look at it and see what they could do with it. He said, we can't just let an artist speak with you about your drawing. Quote drawing, drawing's in quote. We can't just have an artist look at your quote drawing. He actually used quotation symbols with his hands when he said drawing.

Oh God, this is such a self-own, this review. Yeah, man. He's the protagonist of this situation. This is crazy that he wrote this all in the review. This is like, you know, like, hey, check out this story about how horrible these people are. And every single thing is just like, and then I fucking, and then a fucking seagull came and pulled my pants down. He goes, he goes, I let it slide.

Oh God, I bet you did. He's such a doormat. I let it slide. I told him that I am going to buy a tattoo, but I wanted to speak with an artist first to see their ideas with it. Oh, you are not going to buy a tattoo. Oh my God. You are not going to be allowed to.

If this ends with him getting a tattoo, this is going to be incredible. It's like, fuck, get one of those tattoos that take like three hours and you're sitting with this guy that clearly fucking hates you. Like, he does not want to tattoo you. You're a dork. It's OK. We're sometimes dorks. He goes, he goes, he said, no, I told him that I'm willing to put down a deposit. Can I give you a little bit of money up front? Sir, would that maybe change your attitude?

That change your attitude for a couple of George Washington's. Oh, not the Washington's. Yeah, I told him that I'm willing to put down a deposit, so it wasn't wasting company time. He said, no, we can't just customize your experience. This is a business, not a hotel. I then told him that it says on the website that the staff will

customize these customers experience with to their own needs and satisfaction. Oh, you are citing his own website back to him. That is never been to some other fucking nerd that he makes fun of made the website man. He's seen that thing before. He has no idea what he goes. When I said this, he just kind of looked at me strange.

I told him that I wanted to know that what the tattoo is going to look like before I get it put on me. He said, well, duh. I sighed and said, okay, well then get an artist for me to speak with. Artists like I feel like this guy probably is an artist that he's talking to. Right. Absolutely. I was like, this guy's a tattoo artist that he's speaking to. Yeah.

He then rudely asked me if I had heard what he said about custom customer experiences. I replied saying that I did. And did he hear himself when he said, yeah, duh, this guy's just talking in circles. I then said, okay, how about this? I put down a deposit or whatever you want. Then I saw this. I will literally do anything you want right now. Then I thought this how about this I will literally do anything you want right now I will do any you can do anything to me right now. How about that? How about I get fucking naked and you go to town on me with? This guy wrote this review. I know, I know. And it's funny because it keeps getting nastier and nastier and he keeps saying, oh, what

if I gave you a deposit? He's like, he said, or whatever you want. Whatever you want. He goes, I put down a positive where you want, then I'll speak with an artist that our artist can drop a few ideas based on my sketch and then text or email me the ideas and I can choose from those. He even said no to this idea. He doesn't want your money, sir. He could not have made it more clear. I think maybe there's something where he's like legally not allowed to tell you just, you know, but he's trying

to tell you to leave. I mean, the thing about this procedure, like you speak with an artist and then they draw up a couple possible sketches and show them to you. That is totally normal. So it is strictly on the strength of this guy's dog shit vibes that he's being told these are things that we can never ever do. No matter how much money you are willing to throw at me right now. He's so odious that the money he clearly has, this guy smells like he has money to me.

Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. They don't even care. They don't even care. You're right. They're just like, there's something so objectionable about this man. They're just like, you could give me $20,000 right now. You're not sitting in that chair, you know? And I mean, like that is fair. If he's because he seems very annoying. Yes. Oh, oh, most definitely. I think that's that is really what it is. I think is they're just getting a vibe of like, this guy

is just going to be fucking annoying and cause trouble and like, he's gonna complain about whatever we give it. Like revisions on everything. He's gonna pick up a bunch of time and like calling us and like, yeah, and it's just, I think this guy made a very good judgment call. Yeah, a statue guy made a good judgment call. All he got was a shitty review. It could have been so much worse than a shitty review yeah i then asked him so how does this so-called shop work he replied well like every other

shop out there you pick a tattoo you sit in a chair an artist comes and draws a tattoo on your skin with a tattoo gun well yeah that's how it works but i'm supposed to have a tattoo already picked out even though it's a custom sketch done by myself. He started to just walk away from me without. Oh, that's, that's, I will say this is, I have done this a couple of times to people and it is the most disrespectful thing that you can do in my opinion is that they start talking and you just walk away from them as they're talking. That is feels awesome. It feels awful to have it happen to you. And it feels awesome to do it to someone who's being really shitty.

Yeah. He goes, he goes, I started to walk away from me without replying. As he started walking away, he noticed that my arm was skinned a little. It wasn't technically bleeding, but the skin was rubbed off a little bit from when I had fallen off of my bike. Oh, shit. a little. It wasn't technically be bleeding but the skin was rubbed off a little bit from when I had fallen off of my bike. Oh shit. Okay, this is kind of a good story because I forgot about the scrape the scrape and I thought oh that's in the time I was like I guess that's it's like in a good movie or like oh yeah, it's not a detail. You should that you know, we remember that and I was like, no, it's probably just a detail he threw

in. But here it comes. Because this part's when I started to get very upset. He's just starting now. Now, I'm really I can't imagine what happened as this guy was so disrespectful to him and didn't seem to upset him at all. He came back up to me and started yelling at me about how I have blood all over me. He started freaking out, saying that I'm contaminating his shop with my dirty DNA. He really hated this guy.

So much. I don't get your nerd blood all over my clean. This is what I'm guessing. This is what I'm guessing. And I know, of course, we're taking the side of the shop owner. So we're giving him the benefit of the doubt in every way. But I imagine that this guy was like started getting a little bit like, you know, he was like getting a little testy in the guys like,

well, that's not the way it should work in there. And like, you know, sort of like like and then and then when he noticed the blood on him, like it was in response, he was mad now at this guy. He had done something to make him mad. And now the tattoo shop owner was just like, look at you. As I blotted the scrape, he was saying things like, "'Ew, horrible hygiene." And other rude comments. Why would you tell this part, dude? What?

The part where he was owning you and making fun of you in a really funny way. As I went to throw out the paper towel, he said that I'm getting blood all over his shop. He yelled this at me, by the way. I replied saying that there really isn't any blood out the paper towel, he said that I'm getting blood all over his shop. He yelled this at me, by the way. I replied saying that there really isn't any blood on the paper towel. He said, look at your hands. You have blood all over your hands.

I looked down and there was no blood. He then kicked me out. And that is the story of this man's one star review. That is one. So I think that was probably the owner of the shop as well. I know that was that probably the owner of the shop as well And he was speaking to who was probably also a tattoo artist and yeah, that's so that's that was one of the better reviews I've heard probably a really good story talked about him good characters What it's definitely like I do have a review from Vancouver

Which is you know we we always pick some for Chris and some for me. So this is for adrenaline professional body piercing and tattoos. I know that I know this place is a really famous right on Granville Street. Yeah, we'll show we'll show you this place. This is kind of like it's not really a great tattoo show. You know, it's kind of known as like, like tourists would go there. It's in, you know, right downtown, right on the Granville Strip. And it's kind of like, I don't know what the right word is, like almost like a chain kind of, you know, like it's like a corporate kind of tattoo place. I'm going to promise you that Mike is extremely

annoying. Oh, yeah, Mike. Unprofessional tattoo shop, more of a retail store than a tattoo shop. True. As can be seen. If you're looking to be treated as a tattoo client from an actual tattoo artist, I wouldn't recommend going to the store. Again, store, not tattoo shop.

But if you're like a generic heart, this is a great first tattoo shop that you go to, because most likely you'll never go back again. Customer service is absolutely horrible and not accommodating at all. Real tattoo artists want their art, this is where he's annoying, real tattoo artists want their art

to be their walking advertisement on a client. The word of mouth is huge in tattoo industry, but not for this shop though. This place is a retail store. So why'd you go, Mike? You know so fucking much. And everybody knows that it's not like you if you see it, you can tell it has the big like sign. It's like, oh, you know what I mean?

It's like really corporate looking place with like and and yeah, with a huge retail portion of it. And it's right in like the big like the shopping portion of Vancouver. You have to be an idiot to go here and think you're going to get like a really good artistic, true artist version of a tattoo. This guy goes to McDonald's and he's like, you know, in the burger community, this sort of thing would never fly. Yeah, like honestly, it's like my burger was cooked, I guess, pretty well, but it's like the cheese felt very basic.

Brooklyn Tattoo in Brooklyn, New York. We're trying to get one for racks too. That's where you live, bro. I didn't know that. That's where you live. I do, yeah. And I've never heard of this place and it's named something very, very basic and straightforward, which tells me that this is not a nice tattoo shop.

There's probably a lot of tattoo shops in Brooklyn, I would imagine, right? Four point six stars with 117 reviews, not bad. Okay, okay. Here's a one star review, just a quick- Where is it? Do you have like an address on there? Oh, I'd have to look it up. I usually just, I can find out.

He goes, hopefully a tip to this place. You don't try to convince someone with 17 tattoos that they should change their tattoo idea to what you think is- Oh! Why are you going to some random fucking place? If you have 17 tattoos, you should know someone who is willing to put stuff on you. Unless you just move.

I did not even consider when I ripped this out. That is, I can't stand that. Like, maybe when you're like, oh. Yeah, when you got 17 tattoos. I have about 17 tattoos and I don't just go like shmying around Brooklyn, looking for the first tattoo shop I see to go in and make my little judgments. And not only that, not only that, not only that, Rax, sorry, not only that, but you go going into that shop and then trying to have them like do your design.

Right. Like, like a new shop and say like, here's my design. Like, you know, maybe if you go into a new shop and you're like, hey, I want that on the wall or whatever, one of your things that you're doing. But like, yeah, this is just as a tattoo person, it just doesn't seem like a smart move at all. You know, no, it eats up so much of your time on some random person who, like, clearly has a lot of positions on things like, no, that's that's dumb.

And that's their tattoo. Maybe their tattoo artist, annoying guy, that artist could have died, I guess. But that's a Brooklyn tattoo is on Union Street in Brooklyn, New York. Oh, that helps out that helps out. That helps me it's a little bit like, that's kind of Disneyland, Brooklyn, you know, it's not like, it's not like where I live, for example.

I have like, I want to do one more thing here. I went and took a look at a few of our favorite subreddits and thought we could, uh, take a look at, uh, this is from our swingers person asks lifestyle tattoos. Yeah. We're going to hear about a lot of pineapples. We've been in a, we've been a lifestyle couple for about five years and have a tattoo kink We've discussed getting a lifestyle tattoo hubby husband in particular as he doesn't have any tattoos at all We've also dabbled more in hot wiping and cuck holding recently

Although consider ourselves swingers more than a hot wife couple and we know that's a different form Has anyone gotten one and in particular anything potentially discreet. So let's hear some swinger tattoos My wife and I got birdcage tattoos Except the birds have broken out of the cage and they're bent and broken bars where they have broken free and the two birds are sitting On top of the cage snuggling up Lifestyle at all, but it is because I think that the cages are their marriage. Yes. Oh, and the birds are like, they're such cool swingers that they are really... So they're still together, but they're out of their cages now. So they're like able,

they're still snuggling together and they have that intimacy that they've actually found from being intimate with other people and being outside of the cages of the you know, confines of a traditional marriage or society. The cage. Yeah, man. Reading the tall mood Jesus. The cage is an old fashioned style one which represents traditional ideas. The bent bars are kinked and different to the rest of the cage. A bit kinky and the birds are free and cageless but choosing to be together rather than being forced into the cage. So the cage is their marriage. So I was right.

Thank you very much. That's a Chris metaphor win everyone chalk it up. What about this one from the Pickle Whisperer? Stick figure drawing of an old school swing set with four people swinging on it. That I think is maybe too much. That's a little too like bye bye bye. We're a swinging couple. Yeah, that I don't think is very discreet. That's like the least discreet thing I've ever heard. You get a tattoo on your arm that says,

you can fuck my wife. Soulpepper14 does reply to that and goes, I have this on a t-shirt with the line, don't forget to play. Jesus Christ. So it's like a well-known thing in the swinger. I guess, it's so gross. They always think they're being discreet. That's the thing that really grinds my gears.

They are discreet with the pineapple thing. Do you know that pineapple is a thing, Rex? I've heard of it. I don't know what it means. We know about it super well because we cover it so much. This is your life now? Yeah, unfortunately. But yeah, that's the way that they are using discretion. They call it the pineapple lifestyle or they just use pineapple, but upside down pineapple specifically. So if you ever see an upside down pineapple anywhere, that is indicative of people who are swingers.

Like a right side pineapple people get because there's the famous one from the guy that watches the show Psych and there's a pineapple joke or running pineapple joke through the whole show and the guy got a tattoo posted it on the Psych subreddit and people were like, oh, you know, that also means something else. So this guy, this person goes, I'm going to be getting a pineapple tattoo and invisible link shows up in black light. So that's a is actually a good one. That because black, just so you know, and again, oh, man, we know so much at the sex

swingers clubs, they use black lights. Like it's all lit on black lights, kind of like. So this seems like a bad idea. Yeah, we've kind of struggled with the black lights and the cum. I think the reason is, but they want to be able to see it so they can clean it, I think truly. That's the real reason they want to be able to see it. And you want to be able to see it so you know if there is an area there, you're not doing stuff on it or whatever. It's better in that situation.

But yeah, that is a great tattoo because it's like it's only coming up when you're in the club. Black tattoos are corny, though. Oh, yeah. Oh, but but but not when you're in the lifestyle, when you're in a discrete, like secret lifestyle and you can have a tattoo where the discrete lifestyle is in black light. Then it's like then it kind of has a coolness to it. This guy just straight up says, I know a couple who have pineapple tattoos on their ass. This person has a problem with that.

He goes, that's where I'd put it probably. Then again, by the time someone actually sees my ass other than my wife, they probably already know I'm in the lifestyle. So it's pretty pointless. That is such a good point. Oh, they're using these tattoos to like identify each other. Yeah, in some instances. Yeah, that's well true. Yeah, they'll like, you know, if you're wearing a thing like that, you're like at some

Florida resort or whatever, and then you have an upside down pineapple thing, then some other couple will come up and be like, Hey, can your wife suck me? I guess single guys are showing up today. Guys, we don't want to get into single guys. Let us on the furniture just discussed. I down colored tattoo on my arm. I'm very proud of who I am. And it's a conversation starter for people that are curious and a green flag for people that are already in the know. My wife is getting hers in February for her birthday. So this guy, he's advertising.

Yeah, he's strident about it. Yeah. And if somebody asks, I'm going to fucking tell them it's a conversation piece. And I'm going to tell them I'm a swinger. Yeah, that's the conversation. Yeah, the conversation. I'm guessing in a lot of instances, it's a very short conversation. Are you a swinger? Yeah. See you later. Yeah.

A lot of people would, this means that I am a swinger and you're like, yeah, because if I was, I'm not a swinger. So I would think, I wouldn't want to carry on a conversation with swingers. I'd be fine with it. And we know you would. Well, that's not what I'm talking'd be fine with it. And we know you would. Damn it. Now, back up on every people are gonna say, Oh, there's more proof. People don't need more proof. You came on an episode and said

that you're going to Las Vegas and you're gonna bring someone along for your wife so she could have fun to sex that has more to do with drinking and partying because I don't drink. This person says I'm a bratty sub and plan to get brat tattooed on my ass. Same problem as the other guy though, by the time someone sees your ass. My wife loves Halloween so she got a spooky pineapple tattoo. The husband of our best lifestyle friends got a regular pineapple tattoo. The husband of our best lifestyle friends got a regular pineapple tattoo. Guy replies to that and goes, hi to you both. And away from you.

And away from you. Swing and a miss. All right, last thing. This is off our Elon Musk. I'm gonna show you guys something here. Guy got a tattoo of some sort of like I've had trouble figuring out. It's like a Tesla. Hmm. Yeah, it's a Tesla kind of, you know, it's it seems like it's in a scene. It's kind

of like driving through a vortex almost. It's like a mummy. Is it a mummy driving it? It looks like a guy in a mask driving it and it says you've seen it here first and then the hashtags are Elon Musk, SpaceX, space. It's a spaceman. Oh, spaceman. Space mummy driving it and so he's driving it in space that we're he's in space driving it.

It kind of looks like it's coming out of like. Hmm. You ever seen Superman? Where like Zod is in that little square? Yeah. Oh, yeah. It looks like to me. All right. So let's see what not sure. This is from our slash Elon Musk. So we've covered Elon Musk guys already.

So I thought I'd take a look and see first reply goes evolutionary standstill personified. So I mean, that is an Elon Musk I own. If I've ever heard one evolutionary standstill personified. OP says, I'm sorry, are you saying that folks to get tattoos in support of what Elon has accomplished or somehow the personification of the standstill of human rebel? Yeah, dude, that's what he's saying. That's so obviously what he's saying. I just need to clarify. Is that what you're saying? Please reiterate if you could.

He goes, I'm sorry. The guy goes, not precisely. I'm saying that in in general people who think it's wise to make their fashion statements permanent are less evolved If a tattoo is the only way you're able to show your support for Elon Then I don't think you're the kind of folks who support Elon really needs Wow You need to show support like me and giving him money, buying his products and getting more money. That is brutal, because once that guy has that tattoo, he's never going to be accepted by polite society again. He needs the subreddit.

He needs the Elon Musk and Tesla people to respect him. And if he does not have them, he's going to have to, I guess, cut his arm off or something. I think he to, I guess, cut his arm off or something. I think he's gonna have to cut his arm off. OP replies and goes, quite the elitist attitude you have there. I don't really think one person can or should determine what the acceptable means of support

for the ideals and possibilities Elon presents is healthy. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Holy shit. That's a cool thing to say. Whoa, man, this is getting to be too much for me. How did, you know what's really weird? I just thought of it. We've done so many episodes where there's like kind of about nerdy kind of guys and

somehow tattoo guys in a roundabout way have, has brought out the most kind of nerds and sort of nerd bashing. That's a problem for me because when I was like first started getting tattoos, they were still kind of an outro thing like, which I liked about them. I wanted to find all the other people with bad judgment. You know, I always kind of liked the stereotype that tattoos means you have bad judgment. And now it's like guys like this and it's tattoos of Teslas and whatnot. And those guys like tattoo guys are really into tattooed women. They will walk up

to you any which place they'll say, do you want to see my tattoos? No matter what I'm doing or who I'm with. And now I'm just stuck with that. I'm stuck with those guys in my same corner. I don't fucking want them. I, I, I have an application here of design. The tattoo of my own, I think you might want to take a look at. They want to show me their applications. I don't want to see. It's funny because the episode before this comes out is Star Trek, guys. And here's the thing.

Here's the thing. I think it's because it's like really, because nerdy guys get tattoos now. Like they, and I think it's because they're brushing up against the cool people that have tattoos that like it's very easy to see like, this guy's a fucking dork because he's being compared to the other people that are there. And I think that's why they showed up.

Because. And also because you're talking on the Elon Musk forum now and they always show up I would argue that your certainty that you have determined the kind of support or acceptable types of people who can show support is in fact the mentality that halts evolutionary progression the future for all of us not just those of us that think they know all the answers. I say anyone that's inspired by Elon to dream bigger and do more is part of evolutionary progression. They should be free to support the future Elon represents in a way that it is true to them.

Not some internet elitist. And finally, our last post is from the guy responding goes, I appreciate where you're coming from. If you're calling a spade a spade makes me an internet elitist and so be it. I do genuinely appreciate the maturity with which you handle your Reddit correspondence kudos. Let's agree to disagree on this one onward. In the end, they did come together and we need we need a screenshotting that and fucking posting it on Twitter. More of this online, please.

Just the applause emoji. Well, that is tattoo guys. I have so much stuff we could have gone on forever. I did tease Chris, unfortunately, with a Toastmasters speech about tattoos. So I'll put that in a stream doc and we'll do the Toastmasters tattoo guys after this episode comes out. And Rax tell people where to find you. Yeah, you can find me on Twitter, Instagram, wherever. My username is RaxKingisdead. You can also buy my book. It's an essay collection called tacky love letters to the worst culture we have to offer.

And I also have a podcast with my friend Amber Rallo. The it's called low culture boil. We don't release it on a very regular schedule. You probably don't want to give us money right now because we're both crazy hectic with our lives. But yeah, Brian has been on it before yay Talked wrestling on there. We did talk wrestling So yeah, it's playing or was like eight and the newer stuff. It was the newer stuff I'm into the real deal

Might have said exactly the same thing Over here, he's a gatekeeper when it comes to wrestling. Now for me, I'm like, I'm a wrestling guy. And by the way, wrestling guys are cool. That's why we haven't done an episode yet because guys that watch wrestling. We're doing it for episode number 100. We are maybe doing that. We're doing it.

We're doing it. And I'm doing the research for it. And it's going to be a long double episode most likely. And we're looking at getting some great guests on there. I got a couple of really good ideas for guests that Brian is like, I don't want those people on. I'm like, yeah. Yeah. All right.

We'll see you all next week. I don't know what we're doing, but I'm sure it'll be good. Go to Patreon dot com slash murder X Brian. And, you know, where where we're we're doing a lot of streaming on Patreon we post our streams on Patreon and get bonus episode every week called guys plus where we talk about different guys so that's the show we will see you next week goodbye bye