Habits and Hustle - Episode 13: Samantha Daniels – Corporate Attorney Turned Professional Matchmaker
Episode Date: May 29, 2019Are you looking for love? Matchmaker Samantha Daniels joins us today to talk about how she pivoted from corporate lawyer to matchmaker. We gives us her unique perspective on dating apps, her company S...amantha’s Table, the 85% rule, what it means when you’re dating more than one person at once, what you need to do to find “the one,” how #metoo has changed dating, her upcoming online course, being in an equal partnership and how mindset affects everything. If you’re not single, you will still benefit from listening to this episode because Samantha shares many tidbits that can be applied to a variety of relationships. 📺 Youtube Link to This Episode Samantha’s Website ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Did you learn something from tuning in today? Please pay it forward and write us a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts. 📧If you have feedback for the show, please email habitsandhustlepod@gmail.com 📙Get yourself a copy of Jennifer Cohen’s newest book from Habit Nest, Badass Body Goals Journal. ℹ️Habits & Hustle Website 📚Habit Nest Website 📱Follow Jennifer – Instagram – Facebook – Twitter – Jennifer’s Website Set furnished by Fernish Art by ArtSugar Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Hi everybody, welcome to Habits and Hussle.
On today's episode, we have Samantha Daniels.
Samantha might be a matchmaker, but there is no match for her.
Samantha's story is quite interesting because she started as a corporate lawyer and pivoted to her current career.
If you're single and still wondering why you haven't found that right person,
today's the episode for you.
It might help you understand why, and if you're not single, listen anyway.
She gave me some new insight into the way people think.
We also talk about the 85% rule.
Why opposites actually don't attract dating apps, and the difference between a New York and Los Angeles scenes.
And she also share some great tips for meeting people at parties.
All in all, it's a great episode for anybody.
So stay tuned and enjoy
Well guys, so today we have a smath of Daniels who before Tinder before
Plenty of fish and every other major dating app out there. There was this lady who is the pioneer
of matchmaking. She has a company called Samantha's Table that's been around for 20 years, right?
Almost 20 years, yep.
Both in LA and New York and she is the maven of all mavens. How thank you.
On your welcome. On how dating should be the ins and outs of it and everything in between.
So welcome Samantha Daniels.
Thank you Jen.
Thank you for having to be here.
We're excited.
I'm very excited too.
I think that you would be a wealth of information
in this space where I feel like everybody seems to be looking
for love in all the wrong places.
Now it's the right places.
And I think it's the right places.
So I guess like my first question is how has,
you know, since apps have become like the new way
of meeting people and technology with the tenders,
like I said, and all the other apps,
how has that really affected how people interact
and date in our culture now?
Well, I think it's given people a lot more choices
and that sounds like a good thing,
but it's actually a bad thing
because the more choices you have,
then you can't really settle on anyone.
And it's not about settling like saying,
oh, I'm gonna take somebody who they don't like.
It's more like standing in place and noticing people
who are in front of you because you think to yourself,
oh, there could be someone interesting tomorrow.
There could be someone interesting next Tuesday. There could always be someone else.
And so it makes people not want to get into serious relationships.
No, I agree. My mother would always say to me as a kid that sometimes you end up with too many choices
and you end up with nothing. Because you're so overwhelmed with everything out there
that it becomes too much.
And like, you know, that's why when you have
like a little grocery store,
like a little mom pod grocery store down the street
versus like the big wall marks of the world, right?
You just, and you go and get your brand,
you get your eggs and that's what you get.
You don't get overwhelmed and aweshocked, kind of thing.
Sometimes people will say, I'll contact them and I'll say,
are you dating anyone and they'll say,
well, I'm dating a few people.
And my immediate response is,
if you're dating more than one, you have none.
Right.
Because if it's more than one, then it's not serious.
Then it just means like you're dating around.
If you're in a relationship,
you're with one person, it's monogamous.
That's what we tend to do.
Right.
In the United States.
Right.
So how do you do that?
Like, how do you then?
Because of how everything has evolved
and because of technology is not going anywhere.
I do notice and you probably have a big stat on this statistic.
But how many more people are single and unhappy, let's say, not to say because you're single, you're unhappy, but lonely.
And single now versus, I don't know, 15 years ago. Is there a stat like that? I think that it's actually more or less the same.
I just think they're having different emotions,
because I think that they can, today,
they can kind of trick themselves into thinking
that they're actually with somebody
or that they actually have a very active social life.
Because with all these apps,
you could have a date every night of the week.
And if it's not working, you go home,
you look on it again, you find another person, another person,
another person, so you can make yourself think,
oh, I'm very popular, I'm very social,
I meet people all the time, I have places to go.
But that doesn't really mean anything
if you're not in a real relationship.
I mean, it takes more than just a first date
to get married.
There's a long runway there.
They have to go through a lot of steps,
they have to go through a lot of dates,
you have to go through a lot of blow jobs before you can get to the marriage finish line.
So true.
No, I love that.
It's so true though, because I feel like what happens with my friends who are single,
especially, like, especially my guy friends, and that they're like an eligible guy, right?
Or, students, or like, seems to be like an eligible, even not eligible to be honest, just
people who are single going out there. Even if they go on a good date, it's like they meet them
off Tinder, there's nothing afterwards, like they go, they have a good time, and yet they go
right back and they swipe left or whatever they're doing. So it doesn't even resonate. So like even
as someone's the best person, like you said in front of you, it doesn't even matter anymore
because the options always supersede everything else.
So then like, what do people,
so what are some tips or tricks
that you would say you give people
to kind of try to break that cycle?
Well, I think that you have to really stand in place
and look at the person in front of you.
A lot of people are thinking about their perfect person.
And if they go on a date and they don't think that the person standing in front of them is exactly perfect,
then they don't give the person in front of them a chance.
And the truth is that no one is going to be perfect.
I have something called my 85% rule.
And what that is is if you meet somebody and they're 85% of the things that you're looking for,
then my theory is you should actually be running to the altar with that person And what that is is if you meet somebody and they're 85% of the things that you're looking for,
then my theory is you should actually be running
to the altar with that person
because 85% is really good.
But what happens with a lot of people
who are highly successful and highly competitive people,
they want or they think that they can get 95 or 100%.
So they're sitting with 85%, which is great,
and they don't accept 85% so they throw it back
and they pull somebody else and guess what that next person is just 85% again just a different 85%
and it keeps happening and happening and happening so eventually you have to think to yourself
what are the few things that are the most important to me and you focus on those things and then
you leave the rest open open to connection open to chemistry open to you focus on those things and then you leave the rest open, open
to connection, open to chemistry, open to let's go the distance and see what happens. Because
if you're sitting there with a laundry list of things that you need in a person, you're
never going to satisfy the laundry list. You're just going to keep getting older and older.
And you're just going to keep staying alone and alone and alone. And you're just on a hamster wheel.
Right. Right. So there are differences between men and women's dating patterns.
What would you say?
Number one, would you say there is differences between what women do by mistake or mistakenly
or men do or is it the same?
I think that there are differences and there are similarities.
Men are very, very physical.
So a man needs to sit down at a table and from the moment he sits down he needs to look
across at the woman and say to himself, I could have sex with her.
She doesn't have to be his supermodel, she doesn't have to be the perfect person, but he needs
to think to himself that he could be physical with her, that he could be romantic with her,
that something could happen.
And if he feels that way, then he'll give her a chance.
So that's could happen. And if he feels that way, then he'll give her a chance. So that's a guy.
Some women are like that.
But most women are more open to the connection,
the feeling of sitting down with somebody
and having things in common with them,
having a great conversation, a great banter,
realizing that they grew up in the same town,
that they have friends in common, those sort of things.
So a woman can sit down at the table,
look at the guy and think,
oh, I don't really think he's attractive.
And then they're sitting there and they start connecting
and then she looks up from her salad and she thinks,
oh yeah, he's not so bad, I could like him.
So that's one of the major differences.
I would say another thing is that women are very quick
to judge the man.
He's not exactly perfect.
The fantasy guy she has in her head and she dismisses.
Men are more like, okay, you know,
they're more chill about it.
They say, okay, I'll see what she has going on.
They don't have as big of a list.
It's physical first and then they're willing
to see what happens.
So that's a big difference.
So guys like the physical girl,
I think girls like the emotional for sure,
but I think also women though want security. And if the guy like women are weight more lenient and I don't care if
people agree with me or disagree, I think this is what this is my personal opinion. It's
like if a guy has a lot of money and has a certain lifestyle and all the other bells and whistles,
they will be much more lenient on other things, right?
Versus, you know, a guy, I feel like if the girl's super hot,
that's what he's, he'll be lenient on everything else.
Well, that's basically how it would work.
I think, I think both of those things are huge stereotypes
and I think that to some degree, that's true.
So a guy will give a girl who's super hot a chance.
But then when he discovers four weeks in in that she's out of her mind,
then she's not so super hot anymore.
But he'll justify it for a while.
Yes, he will justify it for a while.
There will be huge rationalizations.
All of his friends will say,
dude, you've got to get rid of this girl.
She's like out of her tree.
Right.
And then the guy says, no, but she's this,
but she's that and he makes a lot of excuses until it gets really bad
Right, then when it gets really bad
He has no choice but to get rid of her
But guess what the next super hot girl that comes along?
He's right back in it with the same suit a different super hot girl was maybe a little crazy
So I think that men definitely like a little crazy. They like super hot
But when they finally decide that they want
to get married, then if they're a smart guy, they take a step back and they say, could this
woman be the mother of my children?
And that's the big differentiator.
That's what makes the guy hesitate to actually marry the super hot crazy girl.
Some do anyway, but if they're really trying to be a good family man and look
out for future children, sometimes that's just the girl for right now instead of the girl
forever.
And like you've been doing this like I said a long time, like 20 years and you've had
quite a career doing this, right?
Like Darren Stark, Darren Stark did a show on Samantha called Miss Match, right?
Where Alisa, Alisha Silverstone played you.
Yeah.
Right?
For what?
One season or two seasons?
It was for one season on NBC.
One season on...
She was nominated for Golden Globe and it was great show.
Not too shabby.
So she's been doing this a while and like I said, you've seen a lot.
Is there any crazy stories that you want to share with us that are outlandish about dating that you've seen like someone do or I don't know something that's kind of crazy.
I've seen so many stories that I don't even know where to start. I mean, I think that guy and he was set up with this woman when he was younger through
Their families were friends and so he really had no choice
He was in the family business. He had to marry this woman because his mother was very controlling his mother passed away
And he came to meet with me and he said now that my mother's gone
I'm getting a divorce. I've just got a. And now I want to choose exactly who I want.
I said, okay, I figured you know, he would have some qualifications, you know, maybe five,
six things he wanted.
He said that the only thing that he wanted was a woman, a blonde woman who was five, ten.
She couldn't be five, nine.
She couldn't be five, eleven.
She had to be five, ten.
Why? I have no idea. He didn't really have'9", she couldn't be 5'11", she had to be 5'10". Why?
I have no idea, he didn't really have an explanation for it,
but this was concerning for me because it's not like
when I meet with a woman, I bring a measuring tape,
and I'm like, can you take off your shoes,
wet your hair, make sure it's flat, let me measure you.
So I said to him, well, what happens if she's 5'9 and a half
or 5'11 or whatever, I mean to me,
you're asking for a tall blonde. Why can't it just be a tall blonde? Why can't we have, you know, from this height to this
height? No, it had to be five, 10. So when people like that come to me, I think that they're a little
nutty. And I don't want to work with someone like that because clearly they're not really in a
place where they're looking for real relationships. Because I mean, I'm married, you're married, you know that when you're with somebody,
the person that you're with has some of the qualifications
and some of the specifications that you want dead on.
And then they have a lot of things
that aren't exactly dead on for you
and you figure it out because that's a relationship.
Some days you love them, some days you hate them.
Sometimes it's everywhere in between.
That's for sure, yeah.
So if you're not realistic and you're really coming
with these ridiculous requests, to me
it just says, you're not a real person, you're not a deep person, you're not looking for
real relationship.
Right.
And my business is about helping people find love, helping people get married, helping
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It's kind of very true.
So in a lot of ways, as many of things have changed,
a lot of things have still stayed the same, right?
How what people want, like what a girl wants,
what a guy wants, I think those things are still
pretty traditional, like great girl,
like we just said, like guys like girl looks
with this or women like that.
So even with the different way of finding love,
so to speak, has changed.
I think the core of what dating is of what people want is still the same, right?
So what's the difference?
Let's say, just, what would be the difference of, we know what happens on, like, on, let's
say, Tinder or dating app, but which your process?
Like if I was somebody, like, what do you look for in a client, basically?
So basically, I work with very busy, very successful people.
So people who don't have time to be on these dating apps or who don't want to.
They want somebody like me to be very strategic for them and find them exactly who they're
looking for.
So they're almost looking to me as that special friend who gets to know them really well
as a gigantic database of people because I have about over 50,000 people in my database.
So if a guy comes to me and he says, I want this, this, this, and this, and I get to know
him, he feels comfortable with me.
He understands that I know what he's talking about and that I understand when he says that
he wants somebody who's intelligent.
I say, well, is that street smart or is that have to be intellectual?
You know, I understand all his definitions, right?
Because for me, if I don't understand your definitions
and you don't think that we relate on the same level,
then how am I gonna set you up with the right person?
Right.
So he needs to really feel that,
which means that we almost feel like friends,
and then I have this gigantic database to choose from,
and then I'm setting him up.
So on the go-between, almost like a manager and agent.
You know, we're sitting here in LA, all the people who work and
entertain, and everybody has a manager, everybody has an agent, so those
people, managers and agents, are really presenting their clients for jobs and
for prospects. And that's what I'm doing. I'm his representative to say, this is
the guy that I'm working with, and I never use full names. It's more just first names
and a broad description enough to make the woman interested in meeting him but not so much that she
can go Google him because I don't like Google being the first second and third date. I like people
to meet in person and see how it goes. How do you so but you just not giving the person so you
just don't give names right now. I know full names names. I get first names. So I'll say, I want you to meet Jonathan.
He's this, this, this, and this.
He's from here.
This is what he looks like.
This is what he does for living.
These are his hobbies.
This is what his personality is like.
And then I will explain to the woman,
this is why I think you would be a good match for him.
And so what I'm doing is, is I'm thinking about what are these two people
having common?
Because I'm all about commonalities.
I really don't believe that opposites attract.
I think that there can be kernels of opposites attract
in your relationship, but it can't be based 100%
on an opposite attraction kind of thing.
So I'm introducing two people that have a ton in common.
And then two people who I think will have chemistry.
But chemistry is the answer.
Yeah.
I can't know that.
So all I can do is put two people in front of each other
who I think will hit it off.
And then either they hit it off like gangbusters in the next day.
They're like, oh, we were out for seven hours.
Or they contact me and they say,
I understand why you thought of that person for me
because we did have a lot in common.
But for whatever reason, you know,
we didn't have the chemistry and I'd like someone else.
Right.
So I've had clients who've got married
from the first woman I've set them up with
or the first man I've set them up with
and I've had people that I've set up many, many,
many times and it just hasn't happened
but they feel very comfortable with my picking process
and they know that I'm very strategic for them
and I understand what they're looking for
and I can help them and so they like that.
Right.
I mean, people are busy.
It's dating and finding someone is a full time job.
And those dating apps, they take a lot of time.
And the biggest.
They do, a lot of time.
Yeah.
And also a time suck.
Because when I see my friends, I like to go on
to myself and just check it out too.
It's a lot of yeah.
And I look up and it could be like 45 minutes is gone.
And for me, swiping random strangers,
because it is very addictive.
It's that like visual eye candy, you know?
And the other problem with it is that a lot of people
start conversations and they don't go anywhere.
So if you look in some of, you know,
I have a lot of friends who use the dating apps
because I tell people when I was younger,
when I was in fifth grade, my grandmother always told me
that if you get invited, you go,
because you never know who you're gonna meet
Right, and I think that these dating apps are kind of the virtual you never know who you're gonna meet
So I tell people use them like if you have the time use them
There's no harm in doing it. You never know who you're gonna meet, but so I see them
Interacting with so many people you can look at the DMs on the phone and it could be like
50 60 70 little
starts of conversations that don't go anywhere.
And then literally you have to make a chart to keep track of all the people because you
don't know who they are because someday you're back and forth and back and forth and you're
trying to make plans with the person and the person's traveling.
Let's talk next week.
But by next week there's 40 other people in the DM thing, so you don't even remember
the person from last week and it just keeps going and going and going and going, it's crazy.
So what I do is you hire me and I take care of it for you. I do the screening, I come up with
who you want, and then I do the whole date and I tell you where to go and when to show up.
So it's a very different process. It's like the Rolls Royce of dating as opposed to like the Ford, which
is the dating. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you. That makes sense, though. So give us a couple,
I'm just even though I'm married, but I'm so very, everyone's always fast. You know, I'm always
very, I am fastening, but I think it's very fascinating, not too much. I also have, as you know,
I have my own breast cancer charity and me and my best friend started called Babes for Boobs.
And the reason why I'm bringing it up is we auction off eligible guys and all the money
that we raise goes to cancer.
So I'm very familiar with how this whole dating thing works.
Even though we're not, it's Cotungan cheek.
It's amazing how the psychology and how I see the men and women acting towards each other.
But people think I'm a matchmaker.
They call me because of all the eligible guys.
But the reason why, that's why I'm curious, what are the three best dating strategies
that you can give us?
Not one.
Three.
Not to put you on the spot.
Three dating strategies.
Well, the first thing is that I tell people that it's okay to turn down dates.
I think that a lot of single people think that they're just supposed to accept every single
date that's put in front of them because if you throw enough spaghetti against the wall,
something will stick.
Right. But what I say to people is, is that you have to be a little picky when you're dating,
because if you go on too many dates and they're really bad,
then you start having this really negative energy
when you start feeling very unhappy in your dating life
and then when a good person comes along,
you can't even see them because you're just
in such a negative place.
That's a good one,
because I thought what you were gonna say is the opposite.
You said your grandmother told you,
and this is my thing also,
that you go or you never,
you lead with yes,
because you never know what other,
what who could be a conduit somewhere else.
Yes, and that's true.
So you have to straddle those positions, right?
So you have to be able to be willing to meet,
like my grandmother said,
you get invited, you go,
because you never know who you're gonna meet.
But then you also need to know enough about yourself and be discerning enough that every
once in a while, when you know that that person is not gonna be for you, for whatever reason,
when they have a deal breaker.
So if you're a woman and you wanna have children and someone setting you up with a guy who already
has kids or who doesn't want kids and full stop.
He says, I'm not having more kids or even he's had a vasectomy.
Don't sit there saying to yourself, oh, he could have a reverse vasectomy.
Like, there's enough guys out there that somebody who has a deal breaker characteristic
in their background.
If you're playing the odds, it doesn't make sense to spend your time going out with someone
like that, falling in love with someone like that. If you don't think it's gonna go anywhere
You know if someone's setting you up or you meet somebody who's kind of in a relationship
Why do you want to be with someone who's kind of in a relationship? You want to be with someone who's available right because when they're kind of in a relationship
They could kind of get more serious in that relationship and you could kind of be falling in love
And so then what you're kind of screwed and so you don't want to be in that kind of get more serious in that relationship and you could kind of be falling in love with that. And so then what, you're kind of screwed.
So you don't wanna be in that kind of situation, right?
So you have to be able to know that in your head
that you have three, four deal breakers
and if somebody crosses your desk, your dating desk
and they have one of those deal breakers
you have to be able to say no.
Then you have to be open to saying yes, right?
So somebody crosses your desk and they have some things that you're not really sure about,
but they're not deal breakers.
Then you have to say, okay, I'll go and see how it is.
You know, so that's the, I guess those are kind of two pieces of advice that go into one.
Another thing I would say to you is that you have to let people in your life know that you're dating and that you want to meet somebody. I always say this to people and people
always say to me, oh my friends know that I want to meet someone. Everybody in the world is very
consumed in their own stuff. So as much as you think that your friends are looking out for you and
are thinking about who's good for you, they're really not because they're paying attention to like
what's going on in their family and what's going on
to their kids and their work
and all the other things that are going on
and they don't have that much time.
So you need to figure out a way to actually let people know
that not only are you dating and you're available,
but you actually want them to set you up
because a lot of your friends think,
oh, she's fabulous, he's so successful
and so interesting, they have so many choices,
they don't want me to suggest
or they might be offended if I suggest.
So you need to let people know,
actually I want you to set me up.
I'm open to you making suggestions
or otherwise they might not.
Those are good.
Do you think that?
Oh wow, keep going, I like them.
This is one that I've been telling a lot of people recently.
When you go on a date,
you need to think about what you might be doing on a date that might be negative, that might turn
somebody off, and you need to make sure that that thing is kind of dismissed away during the course
of the date. So let's say you're a woman and you're very, very social, you're out there all the time,
you get invited to things, maybe people take photographs of you, you're very, very social. You're out there all the time. You get invited to things.
Maybe people take photographs of you.
You're always on social media.
You're here there and everywhere.
That's great.
And you have a certain personality and there'll be certain guys who really gravitate towards
that because you're type A, all fun and whatever.
But you also need to let the guy know if this is your essence that you want to get married,
that you want to have children that you actually can cook, that you like to stay home on Sundays and chill, like you have to be able to
let the guy know that you have another side to you.
And a lot of times people don't know that, so they go out and they put out exactly what
they think is so fabulous, and then they forget about all the other stuff.
And then time and time again, the guy's not calling back, or the girl doesn't want to
go out again, and the person doesn't understand why.
A lot of times it's because you're not letting the person
see the other side of you.
You're only letting them see the persona
instead of like the real person,
just like the chill person who hangs out at home
was really close to your family
who wants to have children,
who's just more of a traditional person
because when people are thinking about getting married,
they want that too. They want to be able to connect with that. I always say, I find that I would I notice a
lot and this is a pattern I've seen. It's the same people who always get married and date and
it's the same people who are always single. That's right. That's right. I've seen so many situations where
I'll see a woman who dates, gets engaged, gets married, gets divorced, gets engaged and gets married again,
before another woman will be in like a two month relationship.
So the woman will have been able to get married two times
when all these other people can't even get
to relationship for two months.
And I believe that there are marrying kind of people
and single kind of people.
And if you're a marrying kind of person,
then you tend to get married.
And if you're a single kind of person and you want to get married, then you have to figure
out how to move in the direction towards becoming a marrying person. And you need to be able
to say to yourself, and maybe somebody that you're getting involved with, I'm a little
scared of this. Like you have to be a little vulnerable and let somebody know, like this
might not be my true essence.
I'm an independent person.
I've been living alone for a long time.
I'm scared to see you every single day.
I'm scared to move in with you because,
let's say we don't have anything to talk about over dinner.
Is that gonna freak me out?
Let's say I don't wanna talk to you for five hours.
Is that okay?
Like people have a lot of drama going on in their head.
And so if you have a lot of drama going on in their head.
And so if you have a lot of conversation about it,
you can say, hey, I'm scared.
And then if the other person loves you or is into you,
he or she might say, well, I'm scared too.
And then you kind of figure out how to make it work.
Well, I also find, just a kind of two things.
My first thing is, with everything now being about women's empowerment and being,
it's a really big movement and philosophy
and whatever right now,
do you think that's changed how women date?
And do you think that also,
people don't wanna get women would prefer
to be by themselves or not get married as less than they used to be,
like 10 years ago, 20 years ago? I think the evolution of a woman only puts a different,
like how the, how like societal standards have now been shifted a little bit to being much more
about women being independent and like I said, much more empowered, not to just get married for the sake
of getting married, but do it because they want to. So do you think that women are now less
likely than they were 20 years ago? You know, I think that wanting to get married is just an
inherent thing that most women want to do. They want to be a mom, they want to be a wife,
they want to get married. So is it more society pushing it like that, you think?
Or do you think it's more about?
I think that it's about how women feel
and that they want the security
and that they want to have a family
and they want to have children
and they want all of that.
I think that the empowerment
and everything that's been happening
with the Me Too movement
has actually affected men in their dating
in some ways a little bit in different ways because I think that men
Right, there are a lot of them are very scared and I don't blame them
I mean they should be very scared because I think that they're put into a circumstance where it's very difficult to
Follow signals and to understand exactly what's going on on a date so, whereas you used to be able to just meet somebody
and have this organic connection,
and if it ended up in the bedroom,
it ended up in the bedroom,
today you can't really let it end up in the bedroom
because you don't really know what's gonna come afterwards.
You know, so you kind of have to be on your guard
a little bit.
I think that with women,
they feel very, women feel empowered,
but in a different way,
just to feel confident about themselves,
that they want to be an independent woman
who finds an independent man.
So I don't think like you had said earlier,
well, are women just looking for security
or a fees of really successful guy?
Will she give them an extra chance and all of that?
Maybe on date one and date two,
but I think that women are feeling much more independent
that they can take care of themselves, so they're not willing to settle as much for so much crap
just because the guy has so much money.
It's not really about that anymore. It depends on the woman.
Of course, there's lots of women out there who all they care about is landing the wealthy guy.
But I think that for independent, educated, working women, they want to be with a partner.
And they want to meet a man who also wants to be with a partner to have an equal relationship
where, you know, I mean, that's what I have with my husband.
That's what you have with yours.
I think that most of our friends are in relationships with people who are their partners and they're
not just a man and a woman, but some things, the
woman takes care of, some things, the man takes care of, it's like a give and take every
single day.
I hear you.
I think that women, though, who are successful and strong and independent sometimes wants
a partner, women.
I think men who are usually not always, so this is just sometimes, but a lot of times, men who are very successful,
very rich want young girls who not necessarily are equals,
but people who are nice arm candy.
And maybe that's not PC to say this,
and PC to say that, but that is what I see,
especially in Los Angeles and big metropolitan cities,
that it's like kind of like a right-of-passage in a way
to go with someone.
And I think that there is a major difference
between what a successful woman wants
and what a successful man wants.
There's always, that's not an absolute.
There's always exceptions to every rule.
But I think as a whole, that is the reality.
Well, I think that it depends on the guy.
I think that there's certain guys.
Everything always depends on the guy or the girl,
but like I said, nothing's an absolute.
But I mean, if we're being...
Yeah, there are plenty of men that are like that.
They're plenty of men who only want to go out
with a really hot girl.
They want their relationship.
No, the relationship.
Wait, to caveat, not to interrupt you, is when the guy is very successful and makes a
lot of money, they feel like that, that they should have a young, they want the young,
that did it hot girl, they're not looking for, not always the equal partner.
That's what I meant, not just some random guy.
No, no, I agree with you.
If a guy is very successful and has a lot going on
and very wealthy, then yes, sometimes he likes the idea
of being with a young hot woman who totally looks up to him
where it's that kind of relationship where he rules the roost
and he takes care of everything
and she's just there looking pretty and all of that.
I think that that happens
and when a guy comes to me and he says
that that's something that he wants, of course, I can deliver that. I mean, my offices are in New
York and Los Angeles. There's a million beautiful young girls who are willing to go out with
very successful, very wealthy guys. But then there's also guys who come to me who have done
that already. And they've realized that it doesn't satisfy them enough. And that it's not something that they want for a long term.
They've seen the light.
Right.
And they're about to get married.
So a lot of them will go so far as to get engaged to that girl.
But then they're engaged for six months.
They're engaged for a year.
They're engaged for two years.
They're engaged for three years.
They're engaged for a long time.
Because they're scared and they know deep down
that this is not the woman that they're supposed to marry, that this is
not the woman who's going to be the mother of their children. So one after the other,
they wind up breaking up and then they come to me and they say, I've been there. I've
done that. I've done the arm candy. I dated the Ford Supermodel. I went out with the actress. I did this, I did that, but you know,
she arrived off the bus from wherever
and she doesn't have a college degree
and she doesn't understand anything I'm talking about
and I'm embarrassed when I bring her around my friends
and she drinks too much and she's out partying
till three o'clock in the morning
and all she cares about is my money and blah, blah, blah.
I need somebody different who is somebody who I'd want to marry. So they still say she needs to be hot,
but now she doesn't need to be super model hot. She needs to be hot. Real person hot. Real person
hot where it can be somebody who he connects with and we want to get married to. And that's a different
situation. Fair enough. But then there's still some that just want the super hot. Okay. It just depends. So just fair enough. Okay, that makes sense though to me. Now, I guess,
how did you even become this person? Because that, like I said, was 20 years ago, wasn't like the,
it wasn't the cool hot trendy thing. You know, we're like, what was your story? How did you kind of
become the matchmaker? So when I started my matchmaking business,
the only people who used matchmakers
were desperate and lonely.
Like if they were using a matchmaker,
there were a few out there.
It was because you hadn't been on a date in a year and a half
and you were shut in and you couldn't meet anyone
and whatever.
And I was a divorce attorney, actually.
So I was helping head a law degree.
I was helping people break up their marriage,
you know, helping them get out of marriages
that they weren't happy with.
And at the same time, I knew a lot of people.
So I was throwing parties for my single friends.
And at the parties, I started realizing
that I had this photographic memory
for names and faces and little factoids about the people.
And so I would see a woman on one side of the room
who was from Chicago and she liked to play tennis and then this guy on the other side of the room and
he was from there as well and I'd grab them and bring them together and be like you two should talk.
Really?
And then I would wind up hearing that they would get into a relationship, they would get engaged,
they would get married and it kept happening and getting again and again.
I kept throwing these parties at the time I was charging $5 for people to come to the parties.
My friends and I were sitting on my bed hand writing postcards to send them out to people to get people to come
because it wasn't like there was email and there was all those things.
It was 20 years ago and we would put the stamps on the postcards and mail them out.
Then eventually we learned that you could get these stickers and put them in a printer and print out from a typewriter, you know, the address. So this is really old school.
People kept coming to the events, people kept getting into relationships, getting married,
and people kept saying to me, you should really do something with this. This would be a
cool business, blah, blah, blah. So I became very fascinated with it, very fascinated
with what made people tick, what made them get along, all of that.
And so I started the business.
Initially, I called it Table for Two or More.
And the reason why I called it that was because I decided that I was either going to send
people on one-on-one dates, or I was going to send them on small group dinners, where I
would have like four men and four women sit at a table and meet each other.
And the reason why I did that was because I was so worried
that people were gonna be so anti-match making
that I thought that I was giving them a lie
that they could tell their friends.
And basically they could say,
I joined an eating club.
I get to go out with people,
I get to eat in cool restaurants,
and I get to meet people,
and I figured that would be like their back door way
into working with me.
That's really smart, that's clever.
So I did that and it was amazing because nobody really wanted the group dates.
And little by little I started getting clients, matchmaking clients who wanted me to be setting them up one-on-one.
And I wound up getting an article in New York Magazine where it was like this glowing article about me
and my business.
And the woman who wrote it went on and on and on talking about how exclusive it was and
how it was so exclusive that the phone number was even unlisted.
And the reason why it was unlisted, I'm known to her, was because my business was so new
that I hadn't even listed it yet.
But she made it seem like it was so fabulous that by when the article came out,
the first day wound up getting over 600 phone calls from people who wanted to meet with me.
And at that point, I was meeting with people for free.
And I'm getting call after call after call, leaving messages on my answering machine,
because it was answering machines.
And I didn't know what to do.
So I called up my self-appointed business advisor,
friend of mine who went to Harvard.
And I said, hey, you've now become
my self-appointed business advisor.
What am I supposed to do?
I'm sitting with all these people who want to meet with me.
What am I supposed to do?
He said, the next 10 people you call back,
you tell them that it's $250 to meet with you.
And see what they say.
They started calling people back.
Oh, blah, blah, blah.
If you want to meet with me, it's $250.
At the time, I was only charging $1,000
for the whole thing.
So $250 was a lot of money.
Everyone said, no problem.
I get to the end of the day, call them back,
and like, this is not working.
Everyone is saying, that's fine.
So then I started charging $400.
So he said, call people back and say $400.
So that's how I started my business for the next, yeah, for the next three months.
I was meeting with six, seven people a day and my business just started rolling and I started doing television interviews
about dating and relationships and I will go on shows and they would say, have you ever done live TV before?
No.
Yes, I have. Of course I have.
And so then they would say, okay, you know where to look, right? And in my head, I'm like, I have you know and so then they would say okay You know where to look right and in my head. I'm like I don't know where to look right and then I oh of course
I know where to look because you have to fake it until you make it and so that's what I was doing and eventually
I knew I could do it and that's how I started my business wow
So like you know I had some math though not because not only to have great dating advice
But because she's like a naturally born hustler. Like she started this business, like I said,
before anybody else, and she hustled.
I mean, she had to figure it out,
and then you had the New York Magist,
that basically that article kind of was
that breakthrough moment for you in a way
where that kind of like made everything kind of like
take it to the next level, right?
But I had to pitch it.
But you had to fake it to get the article 100%.
100% that I could get it so that I could take my business to where I knew it could go.
So it was more about what was in my head that I knew that I could be successful at this.
And so I was already at the end and I had to figure out the means to get there.
Right.
So I started hustling to get there.
To get there.
And you come by it honestly, like being a divorce lawyer.
Number one, I mean, other people would beg to different
ones.
No, I would say single people, right?
Because once there are divorce, they're now officially
single.
Obviously, you had the intelligence and the salivance.
Yeah, I never turn the divorce clients into the man.
That was my question.
Did you ever, did you ever double dip?
Like the people that you were representing or met on the other end, were they ever your clients?
I mean, maybe later, you know, five, seven, eight years later.
So they were sometimes.
Yeah.
Occasionally people will come back to me and say, remember, you know, I had been
doing the divorce, the divorce work for a short time.
Right.
And then eventually they would come back.
But it was more just people who I had met over the course of doing things.
I always was a natural connector.
I always was meeting people and everywhere when I remember people, I was really good at
capture.
You know, immediately when you meet somebody, you have to figure out how to get their information
and move on.
Like this is another piece of advice I give people who are dating.
If you go out to a party and you start talking to somebody who you like,
you need to figure out a way for them to get your information,
for you to get their information and then for you to move on.
Because if you spend an hour talking to them,
it's only a diminished return from that point because you can screw it up there.
You really want to sit down one on one and you're at an event
or somewhere where you could be meeting other people. so you don't want to continue on in the
conversation you want to get out of that environment and go sit and have a day
with somebody. That's a great piece of advice. So how long would you say the
maximum amount of time is to sit with somebody?
Add it like at a party. Yeah. I'm like losing. Like you said, before it
becomes a diminished return. You know, it depends on the circumstances,
but if you can get to,
oh, it's been so great to meet you.
Are you on Facebook?
Let's connect or, oh, it should exchange.
Facebook is innocent, right?
So not every guy is on Instagram,
so girls very quickly want to exchange on Instagram,
but not every man is on Instagram.
So when you use that for a phone number.
You can, but that's more aggressive, right?
So if you're a woman and you want to figure out a way to be in touch with the guy afterwards
and not seem too aggressive, Facebook is more neutral.
Okay.
So, you say, it was so great to meet you.
I need to go find my friend, blah, blah, blah, but are you on Facebook?
Let's connect. And that way, you have each other's contact blah blah blah, but are you on Facebook? Let's connect.
And that way you have each other's contact information right away,
but you weren't that aggressive to say, oh, could I get your phone number?
Do you want mine or whatever it is?
So then how come did you, did you ever date the guys you met?
Because you were so good at it.
You had a database of 50,000.
Did you, how many of the guys did you actually end up dating yourself?
So it was an interesting situation because what would happen is, is the guys will come to meet with me.
They usually sit with people for between an hour and two hours. And during that time,
they would tell me every single thing about themselves and a lot of really negative stuff.
So they might walk in and I would look at them and I'm like, yeah, hot guy.
You know, and then I they would fill out a questionnaire and I would see like all their stats
Hmm he could be interesting, you know
I'm single in my head and then he starts talking starts vomiting really bad
Stuff about himself, you know how he had all these problems in the relationship
How he has you know an erectile dysfunction how he's really kinky in the bedroom
How his wife left him how his wife cheated on him? He has, you know, an erectile dysfunction, how he's really kinky in the bedroom,
how his wife left him, how his wife cheated on him,
you know, how he doesn't have a relationship
with his mother, like all these negative things.
And by the end, I'm like, not interested.
That doesn't mean that they're not good guys,
and they couldn't be good for someone else.
I mean, it's not like I hear somebody awful,
and then I'm like, oh, you should go out with him.
And they're empty. They're empty, right, too much too soon. You know, it's not like I hear somebody awful and then I'm like, oh, you should go out with him. They're either really too much too soon.
You know, what happens when you're dating is that you need to keep your dirty laundry
to like the third or the fourth or the fifth date, because if you tell it on the first
date, nobody is giving you a chance because they hear it.
Well, you know, Chris Rock says, like, you know, you're date, you go out with your, the
sales rep of who you are, your representative for a long time,
until eventually, like,
well, if you're smart about it, right?
Because if you're not smart about it,
I mean, this is what I love.
So when people are divorced, okay?
So I'll say to somebody who I start working with,
who's divorced, when you go on the date, first date,
do not talk about your divorce.
Don't do it.
Right, don't talk about your divorce.
It's too negative, It's too heavy.
On the first date, you're supposed to talk about fun things.
You're supposed to get to know each other,
not supposed to talk about the past,
not supposed to talk about past relationships,
whatever it is.
So the person says, okay, I won't do it.
Are you sure you're not gonna do it?
I'm giving you very strong advice.
Do not talk about your divorce.
Okay, fine.
So then they go on the divorce,
and they go on the date,
and then the person sitting across from them
Is also divorced and somehow starts talking about his divorce, right?
So then the woman who I gave
Explicit instructions do not talk about your divorce starts talking about her divorce because she's like oh
Well, he opened it up and I want us to bond and we have that in common blah blah blah
So she starts talking about the divorce so the whole night becomes negative and it becomes about their exes instead of getting to know them
And the next day say the guy how was it? I didn't like her all she did was talk about her divorce all night
Well, she told me that you brought up your divorce first
That's not really what happened, but she kept talking about her divorce and clearly you can tell that she's not over it
So I don't want to go out there again. So it's like no matter what these things happen, right? People,
you give them don't talk about it. You can't talk about anything negative. You
can't talk about anything heavy on a first date. You just can't do it. And if you
think that you can because you're some special person or because your story is
more interesting or because you think this person's crazy about you, then you're
kidding yourself. Because when the person goes home the next day, they're like,
no, I'm not into that person, I'm not going out that make right because people are always polite like
when you're doing they they you they feign politeness or pleasantries when really when they can't
wait to get the hell out of there right and then they go home and they're like I'm not going out
with that other person and then on top of that they had five other dates that week from all these
dating apps since then they're like what do I need that for there's five other women who are
just much easier and they're also hot and sexy and so I'll go out, what do I need that for? There's five other women who are just much easier
and they're also hot and sexy and so I'll go out with them
or I'm not going out with that guy
who's like having all this work drama
because I could go out with a guy who's more stable.
Like what does that mean?
So it's on both sides.
So I don't tell people to lie.
Like you're not lying about who you are.
You're just putting your best foot forward.
You need to put your best foot forward in the beginning and then when you have them on the hook, when you know that they like you're not lying about who you are, you're just putting your best foot forward. You need to put your best foot forward in the beginning, and then when you have them on the hook,
when you know that they like you,
then you start letting your stuff come out,
because at that point, the person will rationalize it away.
And say, oh yeah, well, she did have a tough divorce,
or she doesn't really get along with her ex,
but I'm still open to it because we're having a connection,
and I really like her and whatever.
Oh, he is going through work transition, but he's had made, you know, really, really decent
money in the past.
And he has a great work trajectory.
And I'm sure he'll get another job.
You know, like they'll rationalize it away because they like the person.
They won't do it on the first date for sure.
No, I agree.
Because it's only when they're in a ray too deep,
right? When they're ready at that, when they, when they kind of pass that tipping,
but where they, yeah, they pass that tipping point, so to speak,
because you're dating so much today that to go out on like four or five dates is
a lot of dates. You know, it used to be like in our parents and our grandparents
generation that, you know, you got set up most of the time.
And it was usually the girl or the boy next door in the neighborhood and you gave them a chance.
Like you would date them for several months because you never knew who was coming around the
bed. So if you didn't give that guy a chance, you didn't know if you'd meet another guy in a month,
two months, three months because it was harder than, you know, so people, which was a good and a
bad thing. So people gave people was a good and a bad thing,
so people gave people more of a chance.
Today, everybody knows that somebody's coming tomorrow.
You know, new person's coming tomorrow,
the next day, the next day,
so they're not gonna waste their time.
No, I think that's true.
I think this is all very good.
You give good dating advice.
Thank you.
I wish I was single just to kind of like,
you know, it's really good.
You can pass it along to other people.
I know.
Do you teach any courses on this or how do people decide?
It's like, let's say, because you're not a cheap matchmaker.
Let's just kind of call it a spade.
It's a spade.
We have really good advice.
Like, are you going to do some kind of course?
Do teach a course?
Like, how do people get nuggets like this?
So what are tidbits?
I mean, this has been like a, this has been great.
I mean, giving out of tidbits, you can share with people.
Oh, I have endless tidbits.
And so I'm working on an online course right now.
Oh, good.
So that's my next big project.
I've been working on it.
And basically what it's going to be
is helping people understand who they are more specifically,
the part that they're playing,
and the fact that they haven't been able to get married yet. Okay, how about I have a question that I forgot to ask you. Is there a difference?
You can watch that. So between because you were both LA, New York, is there a different dating
pattern between the East Coast and the West Coast? Or is it basically like I said earlier,
people are people at the end of the day? I mean, I think that both the cities are similar.
The one difference, I guess I could say a little bit
in Los Angeles is that there seems to be
a much bigger age disparity sometimes.
So I feel like-
That's why I said what I said.
In New York, people do have a certain limit
of the age difference that they're willing to entertain. Okay. Out here it seems like there are men who are in their 50s who
are going out with women in their 20s. 50s? You know, 70s going out with women in their 20s.
Well, that I can't even listen to. So, you know, that's that I have to draw the line
somewhere, but I do have men who are in their 50s who come to me and say they want to go out with women in their 20s.
I think that that's a little extreme.
I try to give people exactly what they want, but if I don't really believe in it and I
don't really understand it, then I can't do it.
So I mean, I do turn down clients because I don't think that they're being realistic
on what's happening. You know, I love when people come and sit with me and they're, well, I'm 57, but I don't think that they're being realistic on what's
happening. You know, I love when people come and sit with me and they're, well,
I'm 57, but I don't seem 57. You're sitting right in front of me,
seem pretty well 57 to me. Okay, fine. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
55, you know, and they sit there and they think that they don't seem it, but
they seem it. I mean, yeah, they don't look like my grandfather, but I mean, you know, they,
they still seem like a man in their 50s. And so, own it and say,
I'm a man in my 50s, but I like younger women, or I get along with them, or
younger women seem to like me, or whatever it is. But don't tell me, oh, you seem like another age,
you really don't. Right, right, right. I think that people's perceptions of themselves sometimes could be skewed, right? Oh, yeah. People aren't really really... And that's what I want to talk about
in my seminar for people to understand who they are and who they're not and really to be realistic
about the part that they're playing and dating and how they can put their best foot forward and
what is their dating to tractor? Like what's that thing that's making the other sex not be
attracted to them?
And how can you finesse it a little bit so that that's not an
issue? Like take for example, and I'll probably get a lot of
slack from this would take for example, the women who always
have to bring their dog everywhere they go.
Right.
Right?
That is a problem for a lot of men.
Now that doesn't mean that the man is an a dog lover,
that doesn't mean that the man doesn't wanna have a dog,
but the man doesn't wanna date a dog.
The man does not wanna have to think about what restaurant
is he going to that's dog friendly.
Make sure that there's a table outside for the dog.
Make sure that the restaurant has a little bowl
so that the dog can eat.
Then they're going away for a romantic weekend. The woman needs to bring the dog. There's only certain
hotels that will allow for dogs. You have to make arrangements for them on the plane. Do they have
a babysitter? Is there a kennel? Blah, blah, blah. So I say to these women, you can't have sex with
your dog and you can't marry your dog. So if you actually want to get married and you want to be in a real relationship
You got to leave the dog home like I know you love your dog
But that is causing issues for you in the dating. Oh, I think okay
I agree I have to say this and I will wrap it up
But there's been so many times with my guy friends again where they're like they're like I went out with this
Check it. It's girl and you brought a fucking dog There's been so many times with my guy friends. Again, where they're like, they're like, I went out with this chick,
go to school, and she brought a fucking dog.
That's right.
What?
Seriously?
And they're so obsessed with the dog.
The dog has basically become their baby.
Right, their baby.
Exactly.
Or sometimes they're pushing them in the store.
Yeah, they're pushing them in the store.
They're like, no.
No.
Because men will see that, and they think
that that is freaking looney too.
Well, that's right. Exactly. I think she.
I'm 100% sure.
We have a guy in the studio who's clapping in the back.
I can't redo.
Yeah, I can.
Claps.
And I think a lot of people don't like to hear certain things.
They're about themselves.
That's right.
Which is real.
Like, I'm going to get maybe a few people saying,
I can't believe you said this about this or that about that.
But I'm just saying, it's my opinion,
and I think you've got to call this beta spade.
Just because I may not feel that way,
or you may not feel that way,
psychologically, people's brains go somewhere,
even like subliminally.
And I think, you know, like, yeah, that happens.
Like, I've heard that happen so many times.
And there's endless number of things that people do or that people
have in their persona that they don't understand is a turn off. Yes. So many things. And so that's
what I want to talk about. I want to get up close and personal with people and say, okay, what's
going on with you? And then dissect it and say, this is how you're going to fix it. Here's your
action item of how it's gonna change.
And if they start making changes in their self
so that they feel really good about themselves
and that they recognize that this might be a problem
and they're dating, then they're gonna see different results.
And that's what I really wanna start helping people.
No, I mean, and women.
I mean, they both have it.
Absolutely.
Believe me.
I agree.
Let's wrap it up with saying, can you give us
some good habits? People can start doing to maybe meet Mr. Right or Mrs. Right, that they
can kind of partake and just basically implement on their own. Sure. Well, I'll give two action
items for everybody who's listening, who is interested in meeting a new person. First
of all, in the next, let's call it two weeks,
you have to accept an invitation to go someplace
that you don't wanna go.
So some place that's outside your comfort zone
that you wouldn't usually go
because you think to yourself, that's not for me,
you need to accept that invitation.
And the second thing is, is that you have to revisit
some of your exits, right?
People evolve in their personalities and people
evolve in their lives. And so you might have gone out with a guy or a girl five,
seven years ago, they might have been unsettled or they might not have been
available or you might not have been available. So you need to think back on
those people because if you were attracted to them initially, you'd be attracted
to them again. Now, if you know that they weren't for you, like you got involved
with them and they were a disaster,
like chances are that much didn't change,
but if it was just like one date or even two dates,
that person could be a real contender for you now,
so why not give it another shot?
That's a great piece of advice.
That is because people always go to,
well, you know what, if they didn't work out the first time,
there's not gonna work out the second,
but no, because if you have,
if you're growing and evolving as a human being, which most people are trying to these things,
right? If you're trying, right, if you're trying to, then maybe you, you, you met the person
at the wrong time for your, for, for you. And they could be the right person at the right
time now. That's a great piece of advice. Well, that's like the sliding doors theory.
Yes. You never know which direction you're going to go. And so if you go one direction, one day,
it's very different from another day.
So I say, go through the other door.
You see what could happen with somebody.
It can't hurt.
I mean, you're giving strangers basically a chance on all these dating apps or friends
are introducing you to friends, that sort of thing.
Why not give somebody from your past a chance?
So those are your two action items if you want to meet somebody.
If you want to try to meet somebody, it's a little different. I mean I
try to give advice. It's a little different. I try to make my advice be real
and helpful and actionable. And I also try to give a little tough love because
what you need to do is you need to find somebody in your life who's going to be
really honest with you because one of the biggest problems I see with women is
that women surround themselves with other women who just kiss their ass. And their friends
are not that honest with them about what they're doing wrong and they're dating. You need to have
somebody in your life, I call it your bitchiest best friend, you have to have your bitchiest best friend
who is going to read you the riot act if you're not doing it. I love that. We call it in my world
an accountability partner, someone who keeps you accountable for your actions.
Right.
But I like the bitch, it was a call,
your bitchiest best friend.
Your bitchiest best friend.
I'm sure I trade marketers.
I love you have.
That's a great one.
These are like some really nice nuggets,
Samantha, your bitchiest, always have your bitchiest best friend
who keeps you accountable.
Obviously go somewhere out of your comfort zone
and basically visit X's or people you've went out
within the past.
I'm just like kind of like, you know,
just kind of like, like what do you call it,
rounding it all up.
Visit X's in your past because you might be,
they may be Mr or Mrs. Right now.
That's right, right now, right forever.
Right forever. That's right. That's right.. right now. That's right. Not right now, right forever. Right forever.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
You're not looking for right now.
You're looking for right forever.
Right forever.
You've been great.
Thank you.
There's a lot of fun.
I love this.
No, thank you.
You gave some really great information.
So tell people, if they want to hear more about you, or read your book, Match Book.
It's a, my book is Match Book the Diary of a Modern Day Matchmaker.
It's a really fun read. It's like sex in the city meets Bridget Jones diary and if you want to find more information about me my website is
Samantha's table com you can sign up for my emails which I send out once a week with dating tips and advice and you can check back to find out about my
Seminar which I'd love for you all to join in yeah
If you're seeing even if you're not
single and you're curious, I mean, you have single friends.
You can watch, you can listen, you can learn,
and then you can pass it on to your single friends.
Okay, we'll follow, sign up.
Okay, great.
Okay.
And do you have Instagram or?
Yes, my Instagram is at Matchmaker SD.
So, S is in Samantha, Dia's in Daniel.
So, I'd love for you to follow me.
I do lots of fun videos and go out to cool events looking for single people.
And I put up a lot of matchmaking alerts where I talk about the kind of people that I'm working with
and the kind of people I'm looking for as matches for them. So, that's always really fun.
So, hope to see you. Thank you so much, Samantha. You're welcome, Jan. It was great. Thank you. See you, bye-bye!
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