Habits and Hustle - Episode 302: Dr. Scott Galloway: Censorship, Anti-Semitism, and Social Media's Influence on the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Episode Date: December 15, 2023

Social media has brought about a paradigm shift in the way we communicate, share information, and form opinions. But what happens when social media causes division or silences the voices of those speaking up? Today I’m joined by Dr. Scott Galloway, a Jewish atheist, who shares the escalating issues of censorship and anti-Semitism, especially in the digital age.  We discuss the alarming rise of anti-Semitism, its impact on Jewish communities, and the role of media in propagating this issue. We also dive into the influence of social media platforms like TikTok in shaping societal views and the potential involvement of the Chinese government in promoting divisive content. We go over the increasing trend of censorship on social media and its effect on meaningful conversations like the Israel-Palestine conflict. Dr. Scott Galloway is a clinical professor of marketing at the New York University Stern School of Business, public speaker, author, podcast host, and entrepreneur. What we discuss: (02:07) - Dr. Galloway shares his perspective as a Jewish atheist and discusses the rise of anti-Semitism on college campuses (15:04) - The deep-rooted issue of anti-Semitism and the anger and fear it evokes in the Jewish community  (35:10) - The Israel and Palestine conflict, focusing on the generational divide in opinions and the influence of social media (31:53) - The influence of TikTok on the younger generation and its impact on shaping their views of the world (0:59:44) - The correlation between the growing protests for free Palestine and the loneliness and depression experienced by young men in America Find more from Jen:  Website: https://www.jennifercohen.com/ Instagram: @therealjencohen  Books: https://www.jennifercohen.com/books Speaking: https://www.jennifercohen.com/speaking-engagement Learn more from Dr. Scott Galloway: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/profgalloway Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I got this Tony Robbins you're listening to Habitson Hustle, Cresher. You've been on this podcast, Scott, well actually one time and then I was on your podcast. So I appreciate you coming back on so quickly. But you always seem to be a very good voice of reason and I always love your perspectives. So I think Susanna. Well, you're welcome. It's the truth, right? I'm obviously I'm not the only one thinking that, right?

So the reason why I really wanted to have you back on this podcast was really to discuss what's happening right now with the conflict in the Middle East, with Israel. I know you've been posting a little bit. I know you're Jewish, but I remember last time on my podcast, we actually, you kind of touched upon the fact that you're an atheist or you kind of see yourself as being an atheist Yeah, I've never bought into any religion in terms of its lineage or I'm a rabid atheist Atheism has been played huge role in my life to be honest. I've never felt that much connection with Israel. I've only been there once So I don't you know, I would be best to describe my mother's Jewish, my father's Presbyterian. So I

wouldn't describe myself as someone who comes at this from a place of heritage or faith, just someone who I just see this as observations of a bystander. I have benefited a lot from Jewish culture. I grew up in Los Angeles. I was, I was cognizant in the Holocaust. And it was always, it was sort of kind of my first historical reference for the importance of institutions and trying to do the right thing and recognizing that societies can go, you know, come off the tracks, if you will. And I was cognizant of anti-Semitism very early.

The more than that Jewish culture gave me a lot of very positive things. Specifically, the Jews I hung out with in West L.A. they were all going to college. And so the net effect of me was, I was going to go to college. And college sort of started an upward cycle for me. So I, you know, that kind of Jewish culture that I was a part of in Los Angeles, I think initially planted the seeds of appreciation for education, higher education, which was fundamental for my progress. So what is your perspective? Like how would you, given what you just said in your background, and you've seen what's been happening? Can we first talk about what's happening on a college campus is, because I know that you're part of the NYU faculty. Has this been surprising to you?

Is it has the agitemitism? What is your take on what's really going on on the campuses in the US, especially the Ivy Leagues? So I'm more in touch with it than most people because not that I'm on campus a lot, I'm not, because I'm in London, I'm in the UK, but I have a lot of friends still on the faculty at NYU, and I'm still very involved in the UCLM Berkeley. Some of it is exaggerated and inflated. It's not like there are marches every day calling for the death of Jews on campuses. The fact that they even exist, there was incredibly alarming. A friend sent me a video of people at UCLA saying, you know, basically saying a bunch of people in a, you know, a motion moment or not saying, gas the Jews. And they filmed it, it goes viral. So all of these moments go viral. And I would argue that like

everything in a TikTok age, the situation has probably been, I wouldn't say it's hyperbolic, but it's been inflated somewhat to the actual reality. I still think a majority of Jews on the majority of campuses should feel safe. Or at least I'd like to think that. The fact that it's even there, it's just sort of unthinkable though. It's just not the hypocrisy or the response that is solicited and this goes to the testimony. It's not what the president said in their congressional testimony of the universities. It was not defensible. Is saying that free speech is absolute is actually defensible if that's the position you put out?

If that's your line, I think it's defensible. I think you could argue that when people on a march say from the river to the sea that, well, many Jews might see that as a call for genocide, that that is protected under free speech. Now, whether or not private universities have any fidelity to the free speech, that's another conversation. But if they decide to model themselves after the First Amendment, I think that is a defensible position. What is not defensible is having a line that's more like plaid. And that is the line constantly shifts based on the special interest group of the vulnerable group we're talking about because I can tell you and I can say this with certainty, Jennifer, is that if I were to go out in the middle of the quad at NYU

and start with a sign that said, lynched the blacks, I wouldn't be allowed back in the building within an hour. I would be fired, I would be shamed, I would never work in academia again. If I were to say burn the gaze, the exact same thing would happen. But somehow, and I have, as a faculty member, I have received emails from my department head

outlining all these different microaggressions of things quite frankly, I never even considered that were now considered microaggressions of things quite frankly, I never even considered that were now considered microaggressions and offenses that could ultimately lead to my dismissal. But when we start talking about speech calling for genocide of Jews, we start hearing words like contextualize and nuance. And so it's not that they said it's not that their position was indefensible. It's not that the position was even wrong. It's the fact that they seem to have real fluidity around the position and airing on the side of first amendment when it comes to speech affecting Jews. And more generally this broader observation. I think like a lot of people, I'm absolutely slumished, shocked, surprised at the, you know, that notion that two thirds of an iceberg's mass is under water, you can't see it.

I feel like 99.9% of the anti-semitism in the United States. And you know, it's there, just as there's bias against any vulnerable group, you know, it's there. But I underestimated it by like a hundred X. I had no idea it ran that deep. And all of that, it doesn't just, in fact, it's like stupid, hateful people are pretty easy to deal with because people recognize them for what they are. But when Western media immediately starts assuming that a hospital has been bombed by Israel, rather than doing their investigation and finding out that in fact it was a rocket fired from Hamas.

When the White House immediately goes to, we must protect the hospital. It strikes me that the very first call signer demand from the White House should be, you have to release hostages. Isn't taking four-year-old girls hostage sort of like, you can't even have a conversation around what should happen until the other side fulfills that. It seems to me outrageous that people accuse Israel of war crimes, because to even acknowledge

that Israel registers, the IDF does register war crimes. If I'm a member of the IDF, and I find, I capture a Hamas combatant and I slaughter him and then I find his parents and I slaughter him in front of his parents and then I film it and I send it to all the the young man's contacts on his phone. That person the idea will go to jail. That is a war crime. We have war crimes in Israel. There's no such thing as a war crime according to Hamas. So it just strikes me as outrageous that people seem outraged that the idea is engaging in war crimes. Like when we fire missiles, it's a war crime. When they fire missiles, it's a war. And I just,

the whole thing is so kind of, I just never, you know, never knew it was there. I think a lot of us just sit here and are overwhelmed with shock, like with better term. As you know, I always strive to become better and bolder every day. This has been my motto for a really long time. I truly believe that continues with self-improvement. One really great way to do it is with a masterclass app. I recently watched Spanx Founder Sarah Blakely's class on being a self-made entrepreneur,

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Jewish, not anything more, but I feel like this whole situation that's happened has awakened a tiger inside of me, or like a bear inside of me, because I never even thought for a second that we had this level of hate or anti-semitism for us. So I feel like it's kind of aligned me or kind of brought me closer to my Jewish religion. Have you felt like that's happened to you just based on the zeitgeist of what's happening or you're just much more just just flummox like you said just kind of observing what's happening. It's been has it brought you closer to Judaism or is it just kind of observing what's happening, it's been, has it brought you closer to Judaism,

or is it just kind of just more just the shock of an all of what's happening still? 100% I don't practice Shabbat, I don't practice, I don't stay kosher, I don't pray, my kids will not be Marimitsvad, and I am Jewish, and I haven't felt that way my whole life. And for the first time, you know, there are 200,000 Jews in London. There's, I think, four million Arabs,

the majority of which go about their lives the same way I do, love their kids, want to work, want to be good people. And I remember when there was that protest, the protest, the pro-Palestinian protest. And I saw just so many angry young people with Palestinian flags. I thought, Jesus Christ, there's like, for the first time in my life, I thought, there's a non-zero probability that me and my family might have to be televised to televised Monday, because that might be

the only place we're safe. And I'd never, in a million years, thought that someone of an American citizen who lives in New York and is now living in London, that that's a possibility that I'm, I want is, I have a vested interest in the survival of Israel, as I thought at some point all of us might have to go to tell I mean all of us might have to retreat to Tel Aviv and I've never felt that because we're outnumbered. We're 0.2 percent of the global population. They're just aren't that many of us and what you have here is this really I'm just like I'm trying to get to the underlying dynamics. I'm trying to understand it as someone

who thinks of themselves as an analytical person. And I think there's a variety of things that are kind of the legs of the stool and the underpinnings of this. And I think that one in the United States, we have had a very important conversation of it the last 40 years around the wrongs and the injustices and the persecution of vulnerable groups, LGBTQ, non-whites, women. And I think young people are very angry about it. And because many of the laws or many of the norms have been outlawed, there are now anti-discrimination laws. There's anti-... Now many of the people, the real perpetrators, are dead.

You know, they're gone. They're from an arrogant bot. These cultural norms have been washed off the planet, but there's still a lot of anger there. And so people go on what I would call the hunt for fake oppressors. I see it on campus. We're really angry.

And we're gonna go on the hunt for fake racist because racism has been such a stain on our culture. We're so angry about it. We're learning about it in school. We're understandably outraged. So we're gonna find racism and the We're learning about it in school. We're understandably outraged. So we're going to we're going to find racism and the hapless comment of an English professor. And we're going to go after them. And what is should be the most communal forgiving, thoughtful place, the most

diverse, the most equitable, most inclusive places in the world we now have the need for DEI departments. And we fire people for small infringements or we shame the students shame each other for these small infringements. Now take that times a million. And that is young people think we need to go on the hunt for fake oppressors. And they've been taught that there are the oppressed and there are oppressors. And the shorthand for that is pretty simple. The wider you are and the richer you are, the more likely you are to be an oppressor, right? That's just the easiest way to kind of do the shorthand. And to be blunt, there's no one wider or richer than

Israelis. And what I, I think they're perceived as the widest people on the planet. They are, but they're not white. That's what I'm not, I'm not talking about the reality. I'm talking about the perception that the Jews are considered the palest of the pale. And also, they're also considered very rich. There's a perception that they kind of control everything. They have been exceptionally successful. They have a disproportionate amount of influence. I see that as a feature, not a bug. And what we have here is what I would call is the last really acceptable form of white

hate. It's I see maybe with the exception of ageism that anti-Semitism is really the only protected bigotry in America right now. You couldn't say any of these things about another vulnerable group and not have swift repercussions and be hauled in front of a I went to UCLA. I got almost I was almost kicked out five times of UCLA, three times academic reasons, one time because I got caught making out with my girlfriend and Powell Library, and I got called in front of some student conduct committee.

And then one time, I took a $50 emergency student loan, and I didn't pay it back within seven days, and I got a notice saying we're kicking it out in 70 days. I was almost kicked out of UCLA five times, but these kids chanting burn the Jews don't even come in front of a student advisory board. It's like, we kick kids out for so much less than this. Half of students that start UCLA are 55% only graduate, something like 40% of the kids

who start UCLA don't get through. But we allow them to say this, these while things. So I'm kind of, for the first time in my life, and my podcast co-host, always reminds me of this. And it's this. She said something that really struck me. She said that, you know, Scott, you don't understand what I would kind of say you're being overly sensitive. She said, when you've never been a victim, you don't understand the fears of being a victim. And the analogy I use is I remember once walking around New York during COVID, when it felt a little sketchy, a little bit more dangerous, a little emptier, and I was with my

sister. And this was with my sister. And this guy walked out of a door kind of quickly and she jumped out of her skin. And I said, Jesus, that was a bit of an overreaction. And she said, easy for you at 6 to 190 to say boss. She's like, easy for you to say. And it just struck me. It's like, I walk around Manhattan with my headphones in. I sleepwalk through life wherever I am.

I can't think of the last time I felt physically threatened because the bottom line is just got no one fucks with me. And if you're a five three woman who's at a 120 pounds, it's different, you can be physically threatened. And this is literally the first moment in my life. After 59 years in America and the last year in the UK, where I feel threatened. I've never, this is a totally alien emotion for me. And I think one of the positive things that will come out of this is one, I feel a much tighter bond with the community

of Israel, but I also think I have more empathy for people who feel vulnerable. I've never had that, never had that sensation. But I find circling back to the original question, the reservoir of anti-Semitism in the US is so deep and the scariest thing about it, it's not just bigots, it's the New York Times, it's CNN, it's the White House, they don't even realize when they're doing it. We must protect the hospital. You mean the hospital where surgeons are shuttling hostages between operating rooms? You mean the hospital where they know that command posts are underneath the hospital?

It's just, it's like, well, okay, shouldn't the call sign that we're with results starts with free child hostages? So I'm just, I see this stuff is so apparent and I don't think I bring a huge bias here as someone who doesn't feel what I call a real emotional connection to Israel. I just think of myself as someone who is a fairly thoughtful observer,

but this level of bigotry, this level of hate, this level of double standard would not be tolerated for a moment across any other group. You'd have Revan and Sharpton marching on these campuses right now with tens of thousands of people. If this shit was happening to blacks, the LGBTQ community would not tolerate this nor should they, because they had to put up with way too much shit. And I'll finish here and I realize this is a die trap. I got to be honest, I'm really disappointed. I'm not even sure I have the right to say, when Jews walked hand in hand on the front lines of Martin Luther King, when they marched with the LGBT community, because Jews and every one of these

instances were out in front. They were out in front fighting for these communities. And you know we found it's a one way fucking street. They're not not there for us the way we were there for them. And let me go go full You know angry and offend everybody. I'm also really upset more Jews aren't speaking out I see the same people in social Jessica Seinfeld Debra Messing There's like a handful of Jews with a platform saying anything because and this is my fear that Jews in Hollywood Jews and banking Jews and finance That big platforms and big voices are like I don't know if you've heard, but young people feel very, a lot of empathy for Palestine. They don't see Hamas as the enemy. So, if you want your album to sell or if you want to get that next IPO, just keep this shit to

yourself. And here's the bottom line, Jews and leaders and civic leaders and political leaders. Guess what? We were too fucking quiet 90 years ago. So I'm disappointed in other vulnerable groups where I feel like Jews were there for them and they're not there for us. And I'm also just quite frankly disappointed in Jews that have a big platform and aren't speaking out. By the way, that's exactly why I wanted to have you on this podcast was to talk about, I mean, I love that diet right by the way, because you touched upon a lot of things

that I had questions about. That was one, about the silence of Jewish people because of fear, fear of being canceled, fear of losing money, fear of all these other things. And that's kind of part of the problem. What I want to get back a little bit though, because do you remember, I don't know, like over time I feel like we were,

like Jews were considered the good guys. And over time we became the bad guys. What was that tipping point that then just turned it over? And democratically, the left, all of these, where people were very pro-Israel, that shifted too. Like it's become, like you were saying, the social injustices is a hypocrisy where we are just not, that Jewish people have been kind of eliminated from that piece of it.

Where was the tipping point? How do we get Jews to speak up and not being, I called them like, self-hating Jews? Is there a way to kind of change this, to get Jews to speak out, to not be fearful, and what was the tipping point? So if you don't mind answering those questions. So two questions. How do you get people to speak out and what's happened? Well, it's the point. There's not as much. But they... Well, first off, so, and I'm not trying to position myself as the hero here. My download's a pivot or up. My download's propped G where I'm kind

of, it's, I'm the only editor, I say whatever I want. I speak a lot about this. My downloads are substantially down. And because I have a very young following and young people, just quite frankly, are disappointed or disagree with my views on this. And I've turned a lot of them off. And also I'm not known as a geopolitical person. I'm not as an economics person. And so it is costing me money. I believe in what Sam Harris said. And that I'm not known as a geopolitical person, I'm not as an economics person, and so it is costing me money. I believe in what Sam Harris said, and that is if you're blessed with two things, specifically people in your life that love you unconditionally and two economic security. And quite frankly, it's taking me a half a century to get both of those things, but I have them.

You have a moral obligation to speak your mind. And this isn't fun. This isn't I'm sure you're getting this too. The amount of pushback I am getting is pretty substantial. And so I think just if you're someone who's blessed with those two things and you do believe that this is a moment, I mean, I know about you. I had done so little for this country when I remember when there was a big hurricane down in the south. I thought, you know what, I'm gonna run a winnow bag and stack a full of food and go down and just see if I can help. Didn't do a fucking thing. We're not 11 happy, I thought,

I'm gonna go down to the pile and help out. Didn't do anything. I have done so little, and I thought, finally, finally, it's time. You know, I'm gonna be dead soon. I feel like I have a real sense of right and wrong here. Finally, I have the Kevlar. I don't need money any longer.

I feel like, finally, I have an issue where I do think that I have something Kevlar. I don't need money any longer. I feel like finally, I have an issue where I do think that I have something to say, like, finally, this is your moment to actually goddamn do something to have your intentions match your actions. And what I would ask of other people who have powerful platforms is, yeah, it might cost you, but this is real. If you think this can happen again in 1930s, Germany had a thriving gay community. It was a liberal society. It was the epitome of a modern, progressive society with deep culture, deep appreciation for academia and the arts.

And five years later, they were putting people on trains. So to think, to have some cold comfort that it couldn't happen here, well, actually, it has happened here. It was 1930s Germany. And with respect to what has happened, I think, BB Net and Yahoo and the far right extremist policies of Israel have been a disaster for not only Israel, but Jews globally. And this is where I get, you know, some pushback from Jews and Israelis. And that is when people my age have a 70% favorable opinion of Israel, because we grew up with the 67 war and Munich. Israel were the good guys. They were the good guys. And I think That is when people my age have a 70% favorable opinion of Israel because we grew up with the

67 war and Munich. Israel were the good guys. They were the good guys. And I think over the last 40 years, especially the last 20, specifically Netanyahu striking deals with far right extremist policies, including what I would describe as some raging bigots in the Kinesut. Young people see homes being bulldozed. They see policies that they would describe maybe justifiably as inhumane towards Palestinian's.

And now young people have a 20% approval. The generational divide on this issue is greater than it was on Vietnam. And I think the policies of Netanyahu and his cabinet have been an absolute unmitigated disaster for Israel and for Jews. Nobody is complicit or guilty of the actions of other than Hamas of October the 7th, but they haven't helped. They've turned us from the good guys to the bad guys. And in terms of how we move forward, one, I just don't think you how you have a stable peace with Hamas. Any group that says any ceasefire as long as we take our last breath will take every chance we get to fulfill our mission. We only have one amendment in our constitution and that's the extermination and the elimination

of the Jewish people can't have a piece in the region as long as that group has any power. I also don't think they were ever going to have a sustainable piece as long as net and yeah, who's in power. I think that him turning a blind eye to the funding of Hamas, thinking that that would stay-offered delay of potential two-state solution has been a disaster for us. So, you know, this is a nuanced complicated topic, but, you know, I hope that as we move forward, we recognize that I don't think either power structure can survive or can exist and have a sustainable piece moving forward. Selling a little or a lot. Shopify helps you do your thing however you're searching. Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. From the Launcher Own Online Shop stage to

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That was taken down because of content. But yet you have people like Sean King spreading a lot of hate, a lot of vitriol. And you have TikTok videos, I mean TikTok's a whole other animal. There's obviously some type of campaign. There's a lot more Arabs, Palestinians, and there are Jews. There's obviously something in the Zeigice where things that are being, they're Jewish-focused, Israeli-focused, is being suppressed. And Free Palestine is being really kind of tracking well.

I mean, the fact that that post got taken and this is not just me, it's a lot of people who are like me who are speaking up, who are getting shadow banned, who you're getting restricted, when we're really not saying anything that is at all controversial. What is your take on that? That's social media, that's media. And is it Mark Zuckerberg Jewish? I mean, obviously, like, again, the self-hating Jews. I mean, what is going on? Prof. G, please explain and please help.

The honest answer is I don't know. And I'll give you my conspiracy theory here. And that is, first off, the majority of social media, they would rather just not have any of it. They just want out of this game. They realize it's a no-in situation. You know, social media, for the most part, is trying to exit the news business. They don't want to be in it. And they think of it as just fraught with all sorts of errors or requires money to fact check. The reason why the New York Times, which is arguably the most dominant company in the world of news, still is not a great business is because to fact

check and show no-ons and do long form reporting is just a shitty business. It's a difficult hard business for all sorts of risk. Now, having said that, there in my view is something to the notion that, well, why can't, how do you explain a 50 point swing in favor building around Israel based on the generational divide? Arguably one of the largest general generational, it's hard to find any issue that has 20% support for young people and 70% support among the old people. Not even social security. The majority of young people support social security. There's not a 50% swing in that. Drugs, you can't find a 50%

swing between boomers and, you know, Gen Zs or millennials. And I think some of it, you have to say, well, you are where you spend, where you spend attention. So this younger generation is, by virtue of that logic, they are TikTok. TikTok is the frame through which the lens, their view of the world is framed. Full stop. They spend more time on TikTok than on Netflix. If given a choice of TikTok, our all other media combined 58% of Gen Z millennials would choose TikTok. I just don't think people my age and people in Washington who aren't even allowed on TikTok have any idea the level of influence. It's like my frames are CNN, the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times,

threads a little bit, but I have multiple frames. Young people are dominated by TikTok. Now, if I were the CCP and the CCP controls TikTok, I don't care what any individual who's looking to get their Gulf Stream on the IPO says about TikTok, if your company headquartered in China, started by the Chinese, you are controlled slash influenced by the CCP. You just sign up for it. If you want to incorporate it, if you want to be in China, if you start talking about liberalization and you start talking about how you're, you know, you start making your own political views, you disappear for eight weeks and you show up in Japan saying you're just going to paint the rest of your life. Imagine if the US disappeared. Imagine if Jeff Bezos started ship posting US government and disappeared for eight weeks and showed up in Toronto and decided, I'm no longer gonna talk about politics,

I'm gonna paint. That's what they did to Jack Maw from Oli Baba. So to think that they don't have influence over TikTok is just naive. Now, if I were a member of the CCP and if I'd grown up in Beijing, I think I'd be very patriotic. Your patriotism is a function where you're born, full stock.

So if I were them, they would be stupid not to be putting their thumb on content that divides America. And this is an easy one. Oh, the older people in power, our pro-Israel, dial up pro-Homos content. Just, and the thing about TikTok is the ability to dial up and dial down certain content, which is to be so insidious, elegant, and easy, they'd be stupid not to be doing it. We did it through Radio America and dropping leaflets and good morning, Vietnam. We have an entire division of the army that is there for siops to use propaganda, to think that

they wouldn't do it and that they wouldn't leverage the most elegant propaganda tool in history, which, and I'm not even excusing the CCP of being pro-Homass, what they are is they are anti-American recognizing their competitor in the world as America. So if, for example, if all of America was rallying around, is, was rallying around Hamas, I think they'd be running pro-Israel content. But to think that the CCP likely isn't turning up a little bit, slowly but surely getting pro-Homos content more sunlight in an effort to weaken us internally, because here's a thing Jennifer, geopolitically, relatively speaking, we've never been stronger. Our GDP growth is strong, if not remarkable.

Our inflation is the lowest of NEG7 nation. No one is lining up for Chinese or Russian vaccines. We are, I mean, we literally are, our stock market is outperformed. For all this talk about the Heng Seng, we have outperformed every stock market. We are just, we are killing it. Oh, by the way, the biggest innovation

at last 20 years, AI, where is it? It's not only in America, it's not only in California, it's in a seven, it's all in a seven mile radius of SFO International. We're killing it, killing it. But here's the problem. We hate each other. And the way you defeat an enemy is you don't go in and you fight them directly, China can't, China and Russia can't beat us kinetically.

They can't beat us economically. So what they do is they divide us, they atomize us internally. They get us fighting and hating each other. So to believe or not believe that the CCP wouldn't be dialing up pro-Homos content that creates a generational rift and gets us angry at each other. So that we eat each other from the inside out is to be incredibly naive. So I believe that CCP would be stupid not to be promoting and dialing up pro-Homos content, which leads younger people to see things through a frame. This is what it leads, special interest groups, who are Harvard's freshman classes for the

first time, 51% non-white. That's a wonderful thing. I would argue, they are the definition of stupid. What's the definition of stupid? The definition of stupid, according to Carla Chipola, Professor Berkeley, is he has this wonderful access. Help yourself, help others. People who help themselves and help others, he calls the intelligent.

People who help themselves, that hurt others are what he calls bandits. Mark Zuckerberg, he's a bandit, right? People who help others, but hurt themselves, he calls them artists. I would call them martyrs, but he calls them artists. We know those people that are so focused on others that they don't take care of themselves, they don't have fixed their own oxygen mask.

And then people who heard others and hurt themselves are stupid. And I would argue many of these special interest groups, many people on the far left are stupid because they are promoting and supporting and being a polygist for an ideology that is incredibly hostile to everything they are. And the litmus test is the following. A decent litmus test for how to decide and a complicated situation who you back if you have to make a decision on who's right and who's wrong, especially when it involves war and you have to pick a side is to say, well, what would happen if either side was in charge? So imagine Israel all of a sudden overnight is given control of Congress

and the US military and our taxation. The next day you would know the difference, jury trials, scientific research, academic institutions, civil rights, women's rights, no child labor. It would look feel and smell like America. You wouldn't know. You wouldn't know that Israel had taken over America. Hamas gets control of Congress, our taxation system, and our military. Oh, let's start throwing gay people off of roofs. Let's start executing Christians, unless they can convince us they have converted to Islam. I would, I just think every, every campus should invite someone from Hamas on to campus and start with a conversation on preferred pronouns. They are supporting an ideology that believes these people are infidels and should be unceremoniously executed.

And yet they have empathy for them. So it's the definition of stupid. I talk about this all the time. If the amount of stupidity that, and I think it's ignorance and stupidity, and yeah, I could not agree with you more. I want to be respectful. I know you said you needed to leave it You have a hard out, but I do I do have other questions Do you want me to kind of wrap it up and we can do this?

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and become a good man. Do you think there's a correlation actually between the weakness that we see kind of in the ignorance because I'm going to say it not you in information out there and maybe attaching to a cause where there's more people because of loneliness, because of depression, a lot of these men are looking for something or looking to seek community groups, all that stuff that they're kind of, do you think there is a correlation between the growing and protesting for free Palestine and the quality and loneliness and depression of men? Do you see anything or am I just like really reaching here?

It might be there. I haven't made that correlation and it's not because it doesn't exist, it's just because I haven't really thought it through enough. Where I do see a correlation as a following, I think that we have real problems in this country. We still have systemic racism. The non-white community still faces real challenges. Women still face, I would argue that women under

the age of 30 who don't have kids have largely closed the wage gap and are mostly protected, it's when women have kids that they become second class citizens, 77 cents on the dollar where the corporate, the corporate world turns against them. There's injustice, there's still a lot of things we have to work on. But the biggest problem in America that pours gasoline on all these issues and turns them from issues where we can work together to try a lot of things we have to work on. But the biggest problem in America that pours gasoline on all these issues and turns them from issues where we can work together to try and solve them, whether it's climate change or systemic racism, I think all reverse engineers the same place. And that is for the first time in our nation's history, a 30 year old isn't

doing as well as his or her parents were at 30. And the income inequality here, it's not only income inequality, it's generation inequality. And that is a 70 year old today is on average 72% wealthier than they were 60 years ago, whereas a person under the age of 40 is 24% less wealthy. The amount of wealth controlled by people under the age of 40 has gone from 19% of GDP to 9%. So what do they see? People under the age of 40 see a couple things. One, they see unprecedented prosperity and it's thrown in their fucking faces every day. Everyone's on a jet and has ripped out, but you, everyone is parting

at the almond and mickenose, listening to a DJ going to Taylor Swift with $1,300 tickets, except for you. You are failing. You're failing, and it's your fault, and you feel rage, and you feel shame, and you're not even doing as well as your parents. And then they observe something else. An older generation is doing really well. And as you go older, it gets wider and more patriarchal. So we've created this very real correlation with economic injustice and whites and age.

And so it's like, well, okay, anything they believe, I don't believe, because it's not working for me. And I also really resent a patriarchal white society because quite frankly, they just continue to vote themselves more money. And while my salary has doubled in the last 40 years, not an inflation, you know, inflation-adjustice basis, education, healthcare, and housing have gone up four to six

acts. So everything I need has gotten so expensive, but you've figured out a way that I don't make more money, but Social Security got a 9% cost of living adjustment this year. So I think young people are just pissed off. They're like, everybody's killing it, especially an older, wider, more male generation than me. And they're right.

They're right. They're right. We are no longer, my generation has affected economic and legal policies and social policies that have effectively just transferred so much money from young people to old people. I bought my first house at 28. Do you remember where you when you bought your first house, Jennifer? Yeah, I got it when I was like 39, 38, 38, yeah. Okay, no one, no one in their 20s and 30s, unless they're getting money from their parents, it's gonna afford a house right now. Exactly, no 100%.

I mean, I didn't get a car. There's just no. That travel is booming because people, young people have stopped saving for a house because it's become no longer, it's no longer an American dream, it's a hallucination. And they're no longer. Yeah, COVID, by the way, now it's,

I mean, with everything happening with prices everywhere, it's impossible, but that's the only solution. I can't, I have student debt, which your generation didn't have oh wait Scott look at Scott got to go to UCLA 76% admission straight four hundred dollars a quarter. What do you know he's white in his mail and he's old? Okay, so guess what the oppressors are older white male people and I get it That's the shorthand here so until until we shove some of this prosperity, some of this typhoon of prosperity into a younger generation, every time we have really, really issues like this, it's going to, we're going to just pour gasoline all over it because

the most unstable violence societies in the world have one thing in common. They have a disproportionate amount of mostly young, mostly male people who have nothing to lose. And in America, more and more young people, specifically more and more young men, have less and less to lose. And they see prosperity everywhere. But they're not sharing it. That is ground zero for what turns these problems into polemics and things that rip at the fabric of America. My generation has voted themselves more and more money and the younger generation is justifiably pissed off and the easiest short hand is not only age, but the older generation is more patriarchal and it's wider.

Do you? Okay, so hold on. Drew, can I go on or do I just wrap this now? I apologize. I think I have to hop. Thanks for having me on Jennifer and congratulations on your success. Thank you for, thank you so much. Naked Jennifer, good to see you. Yeah, bye. Bye. Bye. This episode is brought to you by the YAP Media Podcast Network. I'm Holla Taha, CEO of the award-winning digital media empire YAP Media, and host of

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