Habits and Hustle - Episode 8: Darren Prince – Sports and Celebrity Agent – Going From Rock Bottom to “Aiming High”

Episode Date: April 24, 2019

Super Agent Darren Prince has had a wild ride. He openly shares about his battle with opiate addiction, how he went from selling baseball cards as a teenager to working with some of the biggest names in sports and Hollywood including Joe Frazier, Pamela Anderson, Hulk Hogan, and Dennis Rodman. He also talks about what needs to do to stay sober, his morning routine, fitness, and his new book Aiming High. Even if you haven’t experienced addiction, we all have challenges to overcome. This conversation with Darren will inspire you. Addiction specialist Dr. Abe Malkin joins us. 📺 Youtube Link to This Episode Darren’s Website Darren’s Book: Aiming High ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Did you learn something from tuning in today? Please pay it forward and write us a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts. 📧If you have feedback for the show, please email [e-mail]  📙Get yourself a copy of Jennifer Cohen’s newest book from Habit Nest, Badass Body Goals Journal. ℹ️Habits & Hustle Website 📚Habit Nest Website 📱Follow Jennifer – Instagram – Facebook – Twitter – Jennifer’s Website Set furnished by Fernish Art by ArtSugar Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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On the outside, Darren Prince looked like he had everything. His company Prince Marketing Group had some of the biggest names in Hollywood, sports, and entertainment. His roster included Magic Johnson, Dennis Rodman, Hulk Hogan, Rick Flair, just to name a few. But all of this hit a big secret. He was a major drug addict. On this episode, Daryl tells a story of how addiction impacted his life and family, and how everything on the outside isn't always as it appears. We talked about Darren's new best-selling book called Aming High, His Morning Routine, Daily Habits,

and the rock bottom moment that led him to being sober for over 10 years now. I can't wait for you to hear this episode. So here's Darren. Okay guys, this is the Habits and Hustle podcast, and we are so lucky to have Darren Prince on today who is a super agent, one of the top agents in sports and entertainment, whose book is a number one Amazon bestseller and a bestseller in many other countries for other countries.

Right? Yes. Then had a major drug addiction, opiate addiction problem, and he hit rock bottom, but the good news is he is here today to talk about it and talk about his experiences and how he was able to climb himself out of that dark place on the bottom and make his way back up.

So thank you so much for being here, Darren. Thanks for having me, guys. No, it's great to have you. And your story is not only is it fascinating and interesting, but I think it could be extremely eye-opening and informative to a lot of people because of what you went through. So first of all, tell us like you're a super agent. Who are you a quote unquote super agent for and to and give us some background. Magic Johnson, Dennis Ram and Hulk Hulgan, Rick Flair, Charlie Sheen, I've got Chevy Chase

coming in tail and Han Monday next week. I've worked with a lot of amazing icons over the years. We lost Bert Reynolds last September. Evil Knievel was a client for many years. You probably remember growing up. Sure. Smoking Joe Frazier, Muhammad Ali, very near and dear to me too, before they passed away. Wow.

So your roster was pretty steep there. Wow. And so, how did it all happen? Like, when did you start being in, like, how long you've been in agent and when did the drugs kind of, kind of, kind of peak into your life? I started a business when I was 14 years old selling baseball cards. I actually became a multi-million dollar company. At 14? Yeah, I was doing trade shows around the country first in the tri-state area then around the

country. And one day I noticed Ted Williams, Richard Jackson, Pete Rose, Mickey Manel that all these guys were signing autographs at a convention. I saw lines wrapped around the corner. And although the baseball card business was good to was good to me, I had my own insecurities and I think the whole celebrity thing was kind of cool and much more attractive and interesting to me than it was with the baseball car. So I kind of started looking into it in my early 20s and I sold my company and I started a sports memorabilia company. I started doing autograph signings with people like Muhammad Ali, Magic Johnson, Danish Robben, all the guys I have now.

And eventually... Same people. Same people. So I built that company up and I sold it. And I wound up getting into some legal problems, which I talked about in the book, the FBI investigation. And I lost everything after selling my company at 19 for a million dollars. I was over a million dollars in debt by the time I was 23 and Magic Johnson never gave up

on me and he said you're going to make lemonade out of lemons and you're going to become stronger, smarter and wiser because of this. And what's your next move and I had the courage because my dad asked me to bring it up to him to say, hey, I want to be an agent, but I know I'm not a lawyer. And it's like, you don't need to be a lawyer because you know everybody you need to know. I'm going to give you a shot to be my guy. Wow. So you went from doing cards to like doing it basically like was it just a card, you sold

to sell the card company to them being an ought to do autographs, like basically selling famous people's autographs. Exactly. We would like Payma Hominale to sit in a room for a few hours, signed like 500 bucks than being an ought to do autographs, like basically selling famous people's autographs. Exactly. We would like Payma Hamadali to sit in a room for a few hours, signed like 500 bucks in gloves. And Pamela Anderson, I work with her for years, Carmen Electro, Jenny McCarthy. And then we would just have distribution outlets with all different companies that knew

we were like the king of autographs, and we would before we walked in the room, I would have 80% of the merchandise already sold and my guys would box it up out of the warehouse, ship it, and we go on to the next deal. That's amazing. And that's really young to be able to figure that out pretty fast. So you were like a natural born entrepreneur, right? Wow. OK, so you sold that.

Do you want to get into a little bit what happened in the book, with the FBI investigation? And just kind of. Sure. I was when I first Sure, I was... When I first started, it was 1995. I was... Like I said, we were considered the king

of the autograph signing industry. And every person that we sold product to, we were there to witness it, except for Michael Jordan. And Michael is the biggest name in the world at the time, as such, from Muhammad Ali. And there was a company and a group that was selling me merchandise signed by Michael. And there was a company and a group that was selling

me merchandise signed by Michael. And it was authenticated by a forensic document expert, formally, that worked for the FBI. I had no reason to think otherwise. And after about a year and a half of selling quite a bit of it, I got a call from an FBI agent on a Sunday night. I literally just came back from spending the weekend with Muhammad Ali at the Essex House Hotel,

two weeks after he lit the torch for the Olympics. This was actually 96 it was and He's like we need you in Chicago. We need your expertise Because you're such an authority. Would you mind coming out here this week? We'll fly you out and I'm thinking again in secure Arrogant little Jewish kid from living studios. They'll cool whatever. He's like, well, we'll even pay you for your time. And the next day I got a call from another officer, saying, do you have an attorney? And that's when I was like, okay, this is weird.

So I called them my lawyer. And he goes, don't call them back again. He goes, let me call them. I don't know what the heck is going on. And he goes, you better bring me with you after he spoke to them. And during the investigation, I spoke to the supplier before hand, and he said they

were trying to get them on tax evasion. Everything was legit, I paid them by check. He goes, don't give them anything on me. I built a relationship with them, I trusted them. And I conic cocked at some stories that weren't factual. And we took a break for lunch and we came back that a tape recorder. And there was a major conflict with something that I said they were recording our phones, they were tapped for six months. Oh, nice. And I went from being a subject to a major target and three-year investigation of issuing refunds to people and trying to keep my reputation intact, led me from every dime, imaginable, borrowing money from friends and family just to eat.

And it was a really humbling experience. But at the end of the day, when Muhammad Lnie allee wrote a letter to the judge when Lon Rosen, who's magic's long time player, rep in magic and Dwight Malian, Dennis Rahman, who's Dennis's player, rep in all sent in letters. And my buddy, Harlan Warner, who represent Muhammad Allee, all sent letters to the judge. Am I sent and saying, I went up getting charged with making

a full statement to the FBI. So it was like tears, probation, paid a bunch of fines, and was able to walk away from it. But it's a felony. So unfortunately, I can never do jewelry duty. Oh, wow. That's actually not a problem. I never be a lawyer. So it's always on my record. But it was one of those moments that you go through one life and at the time, it seems like the worst thing ever. Right. And it was one of the biggest blessings because not only would this book wouldn't be around Prince Mark, it wouldn't have existed. Because I knew I had to do something else at that point,

my reputation, there was a lot of haters in the business at that point that just, you know, I knew it was gonna be a struggle to get back in. Wow, so you've had a lot of resurgence as a resurrection in your life. Yes. And you're not that old. No.

So then how did it happen? Because your whole story is that really, drugs took you down and badly, right? So when did so then now you're 23 years old and you have to rebuild your business. So what walk us through that, what happens? So let me get back to the how the drugs started in the first place and I'll get to that. So I was 12 years old, I was at sleep away camp and you know, throwing up often when I when I spent I just speak in engagements. I talk about this cycle up in small classrooms I was told I just if you're learning disability which now we know is more ADD when I

focus on something I was really passionate about I excelled more than most but for the most part whatever it was I was learning I had zero interest whatsoever. So I was pleased I was made fun of I was called an ADD verbally to use by different people and I think that does a number, especially in this development, until years on your psyche. And a 12 years old at Sleepwood Camp tonight at horror, post-stomach pains, and I said to the couch, I need to go to the infirmary to see the nurse, and she gave me this green lipwood and a clear cough syrup cup, and I took it thinking, nothing of it, and I'm walking back

through the soft profile to my bonk and all of a sudden this feeling came over me that I felt like Superman. I never had this feeling in my life. All the inadequacies, the insecurities, the feeling of less than, the feeling of not being a part of, went right away. I got back to the bunk, the guys are laughing with me, not at me. I was the cool kid, the good looking one, the funny one, the smart one. Everything I was one that a baby was in that little cough syrup cup. And I actually had the courage to go to the bunk next storm, flirt with all these teenage girls for the first time of my life, but that any fear whatsoever. We woke up the next morning thinking no thing of it,

and did all my activities. And I'm lying in bed that very next night, looking up at the sky, being like, that feeling was amazing last night. And I look at the couch, or 12 years old, and I'm lying in bed that very next night, looking up at the skyping like, that feeling was amazing last night. And I look at the couch, or 12 years old, and I said, hey, man, I said, we gotta go back to the infirmary, my stomach is killing me. I did this for three weeks, every single night, and to my mom and dad came up for visitation day

and found that I was taking a liquid demoral. And so back then, there was an issue from the minute, I put that stuff in my system. And it took about three years until I was reconnected with drugs. And I was at a dentist appointment. I had my wisdom tooth removed. And again, thinking nothing, I've been able to get my mom these pills. I went home and pain.

And that love affair came right back. I'm lying in bed. I'm on the phone floating, calling my friends at this point. I'm making money out of the baseball court business. I started, you know, feeling a lot bigger and better about myself. I call up some girlfriends, you know, had all the courage to do everything I couldn't do without something in my system.

And then for about four or five years after that, I just, you know, like I said, having money, having success, I did everything drugs, alcohol, you name it, whatever it was, I did it. And at 21, I was arrested four times in six months. Never one time did I look at myself in the mirror and say, damn, you have a problem,

was always somebody else's fault why I got arrested. And after that, I wound up becoming an agent around the time I was 25, 26 years old, and I knew the illegal drugs weren't the right thing to do anymore. And I knew I had morality clauses with my guys and girls that I was representing. And I developed sciatica. So to me, it was a great excuse to, you know, I always loved pills. I always loved opiates.

I knew the effect demoral and the vikinins had on me. And these doctors gave me whatever I needed. And when you're walking in with a signed Joe Frazier boxing lover, sometimes with Joe Frazier right next year because he's up at my house. Whatever I want that they gave it to me. I put him on the phone with clients, I'd bring him to events that my clients were at. They see the outs and say, this can't have a problem. It's going to have a problem.

Look at the business that he's built. That he's working for. And for a long time, it worked. I tell people this, it really did. For a good eight or nine years, I was a rock star, I was a superstar, whether it was the mantra I'm out here, whatever it was that I had a good network to go to different events and to schmooze and make sure I approached people in a very non-threatening, new jersey type away.

I wasn't full of crap. They knew that I'd talk to them and try to get a phone number. I always leverage it on Magic Scott and Muhammad Ali's guy to a phrasier, Danish Romain, and stick before the internet. So you gotta make sure what you're saying, we were gonna back it up, and I would always follow up, and I would always bring different opportunities to people. And eventually it turned on me.

I have no idea when it turned, but there was a certain point where it became like kryptonite. And whatever those magic pills and those opiates were doing for me, it was reversing. And slowly I started noticing myself changing. And I was miserable. I was moody. Had a lot of different chemical imbalances from being on a lot of other type of prescription

medication. And I didn't want to live anymore in the end. And I lived that way for about three years, where I would just go out. You would see me on a red carpet. I could be on Magic's plane, going with speaking engagement, you would see me in action and think everything is great. From the outside, everybody thought I had it all,

but I was just miserable inside. I had no idea how the hell I was gonna escape the prison that I put myself in. Wow, so for 10 or more so years, it actually worked to your advantage because it was kind of like a liquid courage in a way, right? Like it gave you like the confidence and like the self, you know, self esteem to kind of get all these deals done. Absolutely. So

the what can happen? A, this is what you do. What happens in that? Does that just one day you just wake up and it just starts working against you or? Yeah, so your body becomes dependent on the medication to really produce those neurotransmitters like the dopamine the serotonin all those good things But eventually you you fire out your receptors and you know, you can't Self-correct and recorrect the way you used to when you were younger You know you took it your body producer was supposed to produce that gets burnt out over time It's like when you put too many miles on a car. It just doesn't run the same way. It doesn't happen

What didn't happen gradually like why would it, did you feel it happened gradually? Or you just feel like one day it was just like, no, that's why I said I don't know when it turned out. Yeah, like you didn't know. It was just, it was just one day it was they never in the same effect. And I don't, I don't know when that was. It just turned.

So then what happens to you then? Oh, wait, so by the way, so you were literally like, you were like, you knew at 12 that you had like some kind of addiction problem already, because you had that feeling at camp. 100%. I knew something was in it that I needed more of. What was in it?

What's in a cough theorem? That can be. Well, like with Dermaroles and Opiate Base Pain Reliever, you know, but back then it wasn't probably as much of a controlled substance. Is that like a diamond, not like a diamond tap or one of these? No, no Dermaroles, so hardcore. No, but I'm saying, why would the camp be giving you something that's so serious? I don't think it would give you a diamond, not like a diamond tap or one of these. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, but I'm saying, why would the cap be giving you something that's so serious? Don't they give you diamond tap?

I'm not giving it to my interview because I was 1982, but it was a different time. You know, when you're coming in, they're an excruciating pain. I'm bent over and I'm like, I don't know if I need to go to the hospital or not. I'm, you know, making sure I build it up as much as possible and they give me this medication.

Hey, I don't go to the hospital. I go back to the punk. Just got to a point after a this medication. Hey, I don't go to the hospital, I go back to the punk. Just got to a point after a few weeks, I didn't want to go to the hospital. I would just go in, she knew that was giving me whatever relief I needed. But that's crazy. Like, you probably went to a Jewish camp like I did, right?

Back then. I'm a bit of a match in a hensdale was predominantly Jewish. Or like, you know, when these like sleep away camps that are like, and I would go, I would get a cattilin all or a dimetap. And that would be the limit of what I would get like I'm just like flabbergasted at the fact that you would get something so strong at 12 at like a sleep away camp that's what I can't believe

and so right at that moment you like felt something and it was like from that moment on you were done. Yeah it's funny your reaction to the sleep big camp is like a lot of people but don't get it twisted the sleep away camp didn't nothing, because it would have happened that other time. No, no, no, no, I'm sorry. And I tell people that it's all on a talk show, hosting interviewer was like, oh my god. Oh, yeah, I got bullied, because it still happened

at the dentist and it would have happened any other way. So my mother's fault, it's not my father's fault. It's nobody's fault. I don't believe in the genetic disposition. I truly don't, as somebody in recovery. I believe you. You don't believe in that. No, I think a copy in the household, and I could don't, as somebody in recovery, I believe you're... You don't believe in that. No, I think a copy in the household,

and I could be, if you're living with addicts and alcohol, you're most susceptible to trying it, but I know a lot of people that have drunk alcohol and addicts, mothers and fathers, then ever went down that road. So what's the difference? We always want to talk about the ones that get hooked because their parents were hooked.

My mom and dad did nothing to put inside me, the anxiety that I always had. They were loving, caring, amazing parents, and I had a great sister. They didn't nothing. That was within a down-and-prince issue. Whatever reason why I never felt a part of why I was always such a nervous kid. Why I always felt less than I had a lot of friends, but on the inside I never felt like I could be in the same room with anybody at such a young age and obviously into my late 30s.

No, I agree. And I like that, You said that because I always think it's interesting that people always have to have a reason or something to excuse what they're doing. Like it was it was genetic or it was this or it was my back. It was my upbringing. This like sometimes a spade is just a spade and you could just be that person that's within whatever you have. Yeah. And I think when you start blaming and trying to find those other sources and reasons, it's going down a bad rabbit hole, right? But then you're the doctor. Yeah, I think that sounds the sense of accountability

and not blaming other people. It was probably what helped you the most in your recovery because you can always find someone to blame something on. This bad thing happened to me, my parents, this, my girlfriend, that. But if you take a accountability in yourself, that's the first step.

And I think that's even the first step in AA, saying I'm powerless. It's on me to make this change. Absolutely. So then what happens next? Riverside. So I knew I needed help. I was married at the time. Are you married?

My ex-wife, yeah, was fine. I'd do whatever she could to help me, you know, have better days or whatever it was. But how are we married? So you were married this whole time when you had to be trained. I was married for about four years. So probably the first couple of years we dated, it was managed a lot. It was fun.

Everybody loved going out with me. We go to the Roseville and I was in town, whatever. Being in New York City, going to Noin, Jason's, all the town and all their spots. And Jason Pinsett, your friend going all their functions You would have just thought I had it all right, but again like I said at a certain point it turned She was one of the few people that knew behind closed doors how ugly and bad it was getting for me I was setting my alarm at 4 in the morning doing business with in other countries that go in the living room of our apartment

I shut the bedroom door up and start snorting it by good ends percuss that's Or sometimes I put them under my tongue, because I realized if I ingested it a different way now, I would start getting a little bit more of a buzz, because if I go right into the bloodstream, into the brain, but I cannot think in a succinct behavior. This is just me trying to be balanced. So what would you do?

What would you do? What would you do? Give me your daily routine back then. What would you do? I mean, my daily routine is probably waking up, not eating breakfast, going to the gym, putting some painkillers into my tongue, letting them melt like I said, because that way on an empty stomach would hit me a lot harder. But the problem was sort of like he said it got to a point where at 30 minutes after I took out, it wasn't high anymore. Now I'm stuck in my own head the

rest of the day, spiritually, mentally, physically and emotionally. I'm stuck within this, being like, how the hell am I going gonna make this for the rest of the day And it would be a few red bowls, but ever I had to do to stay awake and then I'm five set events with clients I would take more pills. They wouldn't do anything. I would drink Sometimes I get to the point of a blackout not realize what was happening How many pills were you taking a day? This is another thing I say I wasn't I wasn't in a buu's or I was an addict maybe eight to ten pills a day. It another thing I say I wasn't. I wasn't in a buu-zor obsin addict. Maybe eight to ten pills a day. It was never more than that.

Thank God. That's still a lot. Because I think if I was in a, I think if I was in a buu-zor and you hear about some of these stories where people are taking 20, 30 oxys a day, I wouldn't be here to talk to you guys right now. But you were, you were drinking with it? Yeah. Not every day a few days a week.

But you weren't in alcoholic. It was more, it was really just for opiates. Yeah, for me, it was opiates. Right. Yeah, for my, so, so we tried everything and I had my first overdose in 2007. My first and only one I was with Dennis Rahman in Las Vegas. Dennis, by the way, has never done a drug in his life to pick misconception. He's an alcoholic admitting like, and that's it. And we were just celebrating,

we were just celebrating a TV show that we did with Mark Cuban, like Geat to Freak, and we had a big event that night and I had a horrible case of bronchitis and Like a good junkie. I'm like, oh, you know what this could be a good excuse to get some great cloth syrup from the doctor And the doctor came to the hotel gave me Tussian X which is a highly addictive opiate-based cloth syrup that I loved It tastes like pineapple juice and within seconds we get you zuded. And he gave me a prescription for biker and an autopiotic. So I'm the way back from CVS, I caught the room, and I ordered three-baka red-boke frameries, because you know what, even with a hundred degree of fever, whatever, I'm

going to go out, I feel fine. Went back down two of the drinks, took a huge, we got a cough syrup, a handful, the biker ends and within two minutes I'm on the ground shaking, trembling, heart palpitations, hot flashes, cold flashes, my wife is looking at me, freaking out, my God, what's going on? I'm in an unconsciousness foaming at the mouth. Looking up at the sky, saying, God don't take my,

I don't know what the hell I did, I don't know what the hell I did, I'll never do this again, please. She calls 911, they come in and they basically knock down the door, I got a needle in my arm, oxygen mask, my feuds, EKG machines everywhere. I didn't even know what's going on. Like I'm seeing clouds, I mean,

and now I'm seeing light, I'm seeing dark. I wake up, it's not four in the morning. So I never made it out that night. I look in the mirror, I go into the bathroom, like you sick bastard. You sick bastard. Who does this? Who mixes vodka, cranberry and red bowl, the tussenex and bichotins?

I reach for the bichotins, throw back three bichotins, and I finish the rest of the bottom, and tussenex, and I go back to sleep. Because it was the bach of red bowl and cranberry that did it. Right, it wasn't the bichotins. No, it wasn't the bachotins. It was the tussenex. It's like a bach to sleep. And they talked about definition of insanity doing the same thing over over again, expecting different results. So I had somewhat of a God

moment that next week I had a little bit of accountability, a cult in addiction psychiatrist and he put me on suboxone, which has, you know, as an opiate blocker. At the same time, following me on this one, I'm on anxiety medication. I'm on a mood stabilizer. I'm on an antidepressant. I'm chewing or snorting ambient before I go to bed tonight. And I'm drinking a few days a week to the point of blackout. Because I just, I had to get something in my system

because I just didn't want to be awake at this point. And July 1st of 2008 has been God started to finally come into my life. My uncle and his then-girlfriend were in the 12-step fellowships of AA and NA. And he was visiting my mom and decided to surprise me. Having no idea how bad it was, I'm dry out of his then-girlfriend. Looked at me, she never met me. She goes, are you okay?

I said, no. Never met her before. Told her everything. Everything that was going on. Having no idea that she was sober five years and she goes, do you rise her? You're an addict and your life's unmanageable. She said, absolutely. She goes, do you realize that you're powerless over the situation that your life is a disaster? I said, 100% she goes, and you realize this and this business means

nothing right now. I said, nothing. And she, oh, you're rolling it, got sober. And do anything to take this at absolutely. She put me on a detox plan for two days to help me get off this box, because that was the hardest out of all of it. And it was a Sunday night, excuse me, July 2, 2008. I come back from the gym, about seven o'clock, and I lost my shit.

And I called them up. I said, I can't do this anymore. My brain is fried. It's opiate deficient. I can't do it. I'm calling the frickin' doctor. My uncle picks up the phone and he goes, this is the goddamn disease talking.

You gotta go online. You're in New York City. You gotta find a 12 step meeting and tell these people you're sick, you're suffering and you need help. He goes, enough of this bullshit already. I said, there's no frickin' way. I hung up the phone, I went into the bathroom and

I was taking Clonopin for the detox and the withdrawal and the cravings which was somewhat of our non-narcotic It was helping it was so I went into the medicine cabinet as my ex-wife is in the room crying knowing how bad I'm struggling And I poured out hoping to get like two-viking the two of Clonopin help out, I'm struggling, and I poured out, hoping to get like two vikings, a two-up, clonipin, poor vikings come out. We swore, we cleared out the entire place of all the opiates. Vikings are one of the three opiates that I was addicted to. For a second, I'm holding them, and I said to myself, holy crap, what it get from God,

but then the change started to happen. And I heard a voice tell me, this is a curse from the devil. I've thought of my knees like this shaking, trembling, crying, and saying, God, I can't do this anymore. I said, I'm begging you, I said, take the business to the notoriety, the money's success, I don't care, I need a day of freedom. And I heard a voice tell me that I got you and you're ready. And I felt the warmth over here that I was on fire and I stood up and I flushed the pills.

I went up in the living room. I found a 12 step A meeting online and I'm going to taxi kept 10 minutes later thinking I might have whole leak crap. For the first time in my adult life, I wanted to stay sober and then I wanted to get high. And I walked into a church basement and that was the day that my life began. July 2nd, 2008, I'm picked up a drug sense. I threw my hands up, I told these people, I said, I can't do this. I said, I got 48 hours clean, I'm begging you guys. I said, I'm an opiate addict, I'm a substance abuser of the worst kind.

Whatever you guys can do, it helped me. There was a hundred and a few hundred of people. I never felt so comfortable around a group of people that I never met talking about this. I haven't encouraged them with my hands up. And they show me one day at a time, this software easier, a way to live this life beyond my law of the streams. And I was at Dave Garantman's place, Commodal. We did an amazing party for my book release, and Hulk was there, and Dennis was there. And as I was talking, I look at both of my sit guys. It's not disrespect to you, but it wasn't the Hulk Hulk and the Dennis Rom and the Magic

Johnson's the world to his knees people that are all once a hopeless state of mind, all addicts and alcoholics that showed me the person that I was meant to be. That's amazing. Amazing. Oh. That's amazing. Amazing. That's amazing. Your challenge, if you choose to accept it, is this. Let's go, let's go! Show up on day one. Work out with us for 30 minutes. Feel good right away.

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do you think it was? Just what came over, what do you think came over that happened? We say in the fellowship that most of us are miracles and I just think, you know, I was so sick and tired of being sick and tired, I wanted it more than anything in my life. People have heard about these God moments, these awakenings that have happened. And I know a lot of people are doing and he knew like in that moment, I was never more willing to give up everything to get the life that I always wanted. And I also think God is a plan for every one of us and although we go through so

many tough times and sometimes don't realize it that the tough moments is what makes us because it's so easy when you're on top of life. It's just be happy, joy, and free. But it's those rough moments of adversity that define who we are. And it's not a back-end octane, it's back-end back up. And he knew that he had a bigger plan for my voice and my platform being an agent to some of the most iconic figures. He, I didn't know back then,

but now going 10 and a half years and celebrating one day at a time, another day of sobriety, he knew that I needed him, but then after a few years, and once I started getting acclimated to this new way of life and comfortable on my skin, I knew that it got me to meet. I started seeing these signs and getting these signals from it. That there's a much bigger purpose. This isn't about you. and getting signals from it. That there's a much bigger purpose. This isn't about you.

You know, I did this for you. So you can get out there and be a voice and help others. So what are you doing? So day one, you go to the meeting. What happens day two, second day? Day two, the same thing. It was about the gym in the morning going to my meetings. I'll be through the reverse commute.

I would go from New York to New Jersey, because that's where my office was. And nothing else mattered. I knew that I heard so many amazing things from these spiritual brothers and sisters, like it has to come first in your life. Anything else you put before you're going to lose. If you want what we have, then do what we do. You know, it's a program, not for those who want it, not for those who need it, it's

a program for those who do it. And I just became a sponge, you know, and it was just like, you know, I just want them more and more of it. I wanted that spiritual and fox occasion. And after four or five, six months of it, I started realizing it's not just about picking up the drink or the drug. That's just a small part of it. That, you know, fellowship of A, I mean, it's attitude adjustment. And that's where the small part of it. That fellowship of AEM means attitude adjustment. That's where the spiritual out it comes in. That's where the real blessings come in.

That you learn to live like a better person. You know that just because we're sober doesn't mean life doesn't come at you. It doesn't mean life becomes better. We become better. Our perspective and our perception changes on everything in life. We become more peaceful. We become more whole, become more confident, and the way we can handle situations that used to baffle us.

And that's when I just, the explosive blessings just started happening, where I was like, this is like, just freaking amazing. I became an install amon in my own way, addicted to meetings, and a good way. Right, if you transferred your addiction to something positive. It's, I mean, I'm giving it out to the world and speaking of thousands of kids in different organizations

and I'm at this huge vet fundraiser I'm a lot of going on a February 2nd Buzz Aldrin's being honored. I'm the keynote speaker for 800 people. It's all about mental health and opi awareness and raising funds for these vats. I mean, it's the greatest privilege of my life that I've been touched by God to be able to do this. And you know, when I'm able to talk to high school kids, and I know that I've impacted them so much, because when I'm done with my speech, that so many come over to my tears and I was in their struggling themselves, and I've estimated a mentor

of them or help speak to them about a loved one or a mother father, sister sister brother, cousin. Amazing. You mentor a lot of people. It's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. But then how do you, like, do you feel like everyday is still a struggle then? Like, do you think about it or no? No, I, I, I think about when I go to my 12 step meetings, that's really when I think about it.

Because I have to think about it. Right. And a self confidence is a liability. I know people with 20, 30 years that disappeared. I never will forget the life that this well-stuffed fellowship gave me, because the people that do, they don't live. And I'm not afraid of relapsing and dying.

That's easy. I'm afraid of relapsing and living. That's the hell. So I'm going on a meeting tonight. I'm Robert's it's 615. I just, it's just, it's just, it must be something. When I get, when I get that one hour, I'm a better bow awesome, a better agent, I'm a better friend,

a better shun. Anybody in my life, I'm just, my fiance, you know, I'm just, she, you know, I just moved out here. It's, I'm just a better person. I'm just, it's, it's, it's just hard to explain. Like I'm on that spiritual being. I'm, I'm just a person that. It's just hard to explain. I'm on that spiritual being. I'm just the person that I was meant to be. And it doesn't mean I don't make mistakes and I don't screw up.

But the 12-step fellowship is there for a reason. There's a 10-step, which is you continue to take a personal inventory when you're wrong and promptly admit it. I don't have a big ego. Now, I have no ego. This is an ego crushing fellowship. That's what I do. Those guys and women are the one that have accomplished extraordinary things.

To me, I got to remember the most important thing is I'm recovering drug addict one day at a time. That's what keeps my ego in check. That is who Darren Prince is. What I am in work, that's bull crap. That's the way I can. Right. So you define yourself by different measures now, for sure.

So then it sounds like going back 10 years, did anything happen? What happened with your wife? Was it like a, she knew you were a drug addict, obviously, but she wasn't. No. It doesn't sound like. So that must have been a really hard relationship to kind of be in, right, when one person knew something. Yeah, the brutal and the divorce was an easy obviously knowing what I do for a living lawyer show the people

I work for in the wealth they have and you know but at the whole time I just stayed in faith I stayed in the fellowship I do whatever I had to do to stick connected to my sponsor's my sponsor go to meetings did a lot of prayer knowing that you know what down you indirectly put yourself in this position but you cleaned yourself up you still got the so you cleaned yourself up while you were still married it sounds like but it's still didn't work. So it was a bit of work. And again, we talk about that accountability. I always stayed in that accountability place being like, you know what? Took somebody from Australia to move to New Jersey in New York. She thought we were going to start this family. She wasn't

perfect. I wasn't perfect, but the truth is my behavior, my actions, you know, even when I was using to the fact when I got sober, put us in a position that we're in right now. And I wanted to stay, though, because I know I don't want to be in a place of resentment. And I just wanted to have this peaceful ending divorce at a certain point, because she could go on with her life and fall in love and have this, you know, this, I guess, this life that she deserved to have, that she thought she was going to have with me instead of pointing the fingers, because that doesn't do good for anybody. Even when we finally settled at the worst and we were in the courtroom leaving, she came

over to me crying, I'll never have got this, she said to me, I don't want you to just screw in your image and view up on marriage and love. And I said, Simone, I said it would never. I was like, you know, we had an amazing run with each other. But from me, I just wanted to tell you that, you know, the way I behave, don't judge other men by that. I was like, because you deserve to be treated, you know, like a princess and get the light to you to serve. And she looked at me crying even more and then laughing. We're like, oh my God, who are you? And what did you do to my

ex-husband? Where is this guy coming from? That's the fellowship. Wow. And then like, so then you, but that doesn't sound like, and maybe I'm wrong, but did your business get affected? It sounds like that, even though you were a drug addict and you had this, you know, horrible experience in the three years, you're terrible. Your business didn't really seem afraid that much. The business, the Prince of Martin and the group, when I first started the first couple of years, I was struggling because of the party, which was primarily opiates at that point. You didn't lose your clients.

No, I didn't lose clients, thank God, but I wound up with a lot of tax problems. I was still coming out of debt from the other situation. And the money was coming in, but it's going out quicker than it was coming in. And because I was so, now I'm at the point where I'm 27, 28, real, you know, I had that arrogance to make, you know, lucky, got magic Johnson as a client. I mean, everybody else that was in a family

Anderson, I was representing her and her haydai for a couple of years. And so it was just really easy to go to my head and not really pay attention to the business, but be more a part of the BS part of it. You know, the image that the ego, the insecurity of, you know, I'm the man, everybody tell me I'm the man. And I lost sight of the business.

And like I said, the first couple of years, I was struggling, but knock on what thank God since probably 1999, I haven't had those issues anymore financially. Right, but as you know, God since probably 1999, I haven't had this issues anymore financially. Right. But when I think of rock bottom, I think of people who are such bad addicts that they lose their family, their home, their business, they're living under the 405 base, they're living in the outside and on the streets.

So you were obviously fortunate enough that your rock bottom was internal. It feels like too... I lost the sense of self. You lost the complete sense of self, but you had something, you had some stuff that I feel that you were really fortunate about. You had your client seemed loyal to you and you still had like the your business still may have been struggling, but you didn't lose every everything because you saved yourself to some extent, right? So what happens with people,

and like I see this all, I see this unfortunately a lot of times when there's somebody who has, they have everything going for them, and they just can't get out of their own way and get that experience when someone comes down from God and says, listen, you're gonna clean your shit up or you're gonna be in trouble.

For longevity, I mean, people can do it for a finite period of time, and then they just start it up again, either alcohol or drugs, and they just can't get that break. They can go to AA, it doesn't work for them. They can go to whatever it is. What do you say to people, not from a medical side,

but from someone who's experienced is it,, like, what do you say to people, like, not from a medical side, but from someone who's like, experience is it, lives it? How does someone get out of their own way and really seek solace, really? You have to keep, in my opinion, you got to keep going to 12-step fellowship until you hear something. Sure, they can really identify with. And here you've got actors, actresses, musicians, people at that level of success to realize, like, wow, you know, I'm no different than them.

They're no different than me. Here's a little thing that you can identify with. And if you've gone to meetings for a month and you've found one that you can identify, keep going, there's so freaking many of them, you're gonna, you will find somebody. It's a numbers game that's gonna save something. You need to want it.

You need to want it. You need to want it. People, the use system, that was very true. I think self-confidence, in that way, is the worst thing that you can get because you feel the confidence that you don't need the meetings. You don't need to be with people. You can just do it on your own. And that's when people fail, right?

Well, if you don't want it, or you don't want it, or you think you want it. You can send a loved one a friend all day long to 12 step meetings. And if they don't want it, guess guess what they're not going to get it Right, you know, we say that so it's the truth, you know for me. I had that willingness I was at that point where I Because I had that willingness and that accountability and I was sick and tired of being sick and tired

I was given the gift the desperation. Right. How does your body feel now? Not having any opias like? Not now, but being like when you're a fresh off the opiate thing, was it really hard to adjust from like not knowing, from such a young age, how you, like all you knew was having some kind of like drug in you, right, to modify you. Yeah, it took a while. Right. It took, it probably took a good year or more until I was able to go to a fan and start, you know, kind of getting reactiv until I was able to go to events and start kind of getting re-acclimate and be able to talk to people and walk and think and do all these things. But eventually now we talk about being two-itably known, had a handle situation,

the East of Avalos, everyone at Denishraum and Shripton North Korea dealt with every single one of them. I was the man behind every single one of them. Me and my boy, Bo, who goes out there and does all the heavy lifting and never thought a single time of picking up a drink or a drug. You know, I lost Joe Frazier, Muhammad Ali, in sobriety. Never thought about it. I lost my closest friend on the world, my dad almost two years ago. And you get this beautiful gift of your perception and your perspective being changed on everything. And my gift was I got to feel the feelings over. I got to grow through it and go through it at the same time.

And you use this, like you said, now instead of relying on those opiates, your addiction is like these meetings, the feeling of community within those people, within that group, right? Yeah. Do have like a very specific routine you do every single day also to kind of keep you on point to make you feel and control. Like a lot of like those about habits and hustle, this is the whole thing, right? Like most people who are successful in any walkable be it being a recovering drug addict or being a major CEO or a big entrepreneur of some time. Usually they have like certain habits and rituals that they do every single day to

kind of keep them and you're smiling at me on point. So what is yours? No, I still have OCD. I'll usually try to get 12 step meetings now that I live in California. This is a 730 that I had if not, I'd do it after 6 p.m. But the gym six days a week. I'm pretty religious with my diet. I've never been in better shape in my life. I start with my phone calls and my emails back. You're your day. Give me a minute. You wake up in the morning at what time? Usually 6, 37 o'clock. Okay. It's breakfast. What do you meet? oatmeal, blueberries, or egg white,

or some healthy tuppy yogurt. Okay. And then I'll hit the gym. After the gym, I usually come back to take a shower, try to hit a 12 step meeting. If not, like I said, I'll hit one after six o'clock when I'm completely slowed down because I'm doing myself a complete disservice.

If I'm there and I'm texting, and that I've been down that road too much, I need my brain to be completely and that I've been down that road too much. Right. And you might bring it to be completely in that place where I'm absorbing what's being said so I can take it out there in the world and help other people. And then it's just work. I mean, it's, there's some days that are just absolutely psychotic in our business and those other days that are just like smooth sailing. Right.

It's part of the agent life, you know. So what do you do as an, yeah, so then you, so your ROCD, you do your morning ritual. What kind of workouts by the way do you do? Like what do you like? Are you like a weights and cardio kind of person? Do you do like, I'll do cardio two days a week and the other times I'll do a lot of core body weight routines. I do a lot of the foam roller stuff

because at my age it's not about heavy weights anymore. Just making sure like I'm loose and feel as good as I possibly do. I do a lot of something. Now you grow up. Okay. Good. So then exercise, those meetings are every day or six days a week for the meetings. I try to go every day. I was in Canada with Rick Flair and my fiance and his wife, Juan Deco, we love this weekend and I couldn't there was just no time to get to meetings. And we were just so crazy working. I didn't get to the gym, so I took the weekend off.

But now I've got so many other ways to get the spiritual connection. I was listening to recovery speakers on the air. I put my earphones on. I listen to somebody for an hour. I'm just like, this is great. And that just gives you that feeling. Just gives me, it's like I'm a diabetic, and that just gives you like that feeling. It just gives me psych on a diabetic and that's my insulin.

Right. So I just hear what I need for that day. And it doesn't mean, look, I can't go enough four or five days without it. I just, I'm just not myself. I'm not in that complete, peaceful state of mind, where I could just deal with life a lot easier. Right. So why not take that hour a day? because if this was 10 and a half years ago, you better believe I put that hour into chasing down when I really need to get. Right. Right. You just transferred it into this, which is obviously much more healthy thing.

So then what do you do day to day with your work? So you still represent the same people. So you're doing deals with them across the board? Are you doing just speaking to like what? Give me the day and life. Like, like today We just firmed up with magic. He's doing a keynote speech for Oracle and that's be it on February 13th in Atlanta He just did a bunch of boys over for the for a small business campaign We have deals with certain cryptocurrency companies Kevin Harrington from Shark Tank's decline

They have a lot of different business partnerships We did a deal for Charlie Sheen's ex-wife with a CBD company, for a CBD skin cream company that's coming out later this year. We never heard of anyone doing any kind of CBD company. This is so rare. So yeah, I know, right. And so that should be exciting, because it's a female skin care product with some CBD oils in it.

Is ex-wife being, which one, the niche? Demise, venture. Yeah. Yeah, one. Yeah. Yeah. A whole call. We just read up companies in California. It's called Lone Marks. And I don't title on company. What's that? I don't title on company called Lone Mark. They've been running radio spots and television ads. So our guys just keep extremely busy. You know, Dennis Romance filming a commercial

and Toronto. I can't talk about it yet yet but that's coming up next month. These guys are just very blessed. Charlie Sheen same thing. I mean we're always getting different opportunities for everyone of these guys and women. It's a blessing because the business almost at this point I like to say takes care of itself with the internet and people with word of mouth knowing how to get to us just a lot of great leads come in. So how do they, okay, so are you out there looking for new clients or you kind of just managing the ones you have?

We're fine represented once we have right now at this stage in the game, it's more about the corporations for the corporate accounts because the corporate accounts you then have access to their budgets. You can go out and hire any celebrity with their budgets. Absolutely. So that's just been a big shift that we made over the past four years, which is amazing. Because once they take one of our guides, then we can go out and start hiring other talent that we don't represent.

And because we're giving them, and they're agent, a big check, now they want to work with those other things. A hundred percent. So it's a lot of agent that's just starting from scratch and saying, I'll let you try to chase down the sky or chase down that guy. Oh, yeah. And then my other passion is obviously with the book gaming high out right now. I'm doing a lot of keynote speaking.

A lot of different charity events, schools, businesses. It's been amazing. Yeah, because it seems like you are a big, obviously a big mental health advocate. So who's representing you to go out there and do all these speaking engagements? Do you ever set yourself up? It's funny, I can't keep doing it.

I can't keep doing it. My office is handling it. and then I've got the group called Speakers for Change. I think they've had a cherry-home New Jersey and I do with a lot of recovery speakers as well as individuals that have had breakthroughs and trauma and came out on the other side. Wow. And you only do for drug or alcohol as well. I combine them both because I drank, drinking wasn't ultimately my problem. But it's, you know, here's the thing. If I'm talking a little business or a group or teens, it doesn't matter what the word is.

If you identify it with substance abuse, you know, whatever I'm saying or something that's creating unmanageability in your life, we don't like the person you're becoming. Right. The 12 steps that I preach and talk about very discreetly can help anybody, anybody that's suffering with an ailment and issue and addiction, something that's taken you to a very toric place. Wow. I mean, is there anything else you want to talk about?

I feel like we've got like your whole experience down that like, I mean, you are uniquely very quiet this whole session. You guys have a great time here. I don't know why I didn't let you guys go. Is there anything you want to add or ask? I just think I've seen obviously a lot of people in the addiction community. And I think I'm trying to pull some takeaways from the stuff

that you said. I think recovery is a lot about spirituality. Like you mentioned, it doesn't have to be a religion per se, but understanding that there's a plan, there's something larger than just yourself, because I think what a lot of people with addiction is they think to themselves, just in that moment, oh, it's not a big deal if I take this one pill or a date, but if it's part of a larger plan, and you think the impact of what you're doing is much larger. And that's a big problem is that people don't see the future value of their current actions.

And I think that's something you were able to do. Number one, number two, you mentioned the accountability. And I think that's important because you can always find someone to blame. So if you can take it on yourself, accept responsibility. And then the third thing is you don't shy away from adversity, which I thought was interesting you mentioned. You know, you deal with life's challenges. You go to events where you know you're going to be encountering difficult situations or people that make bad decisions, but you face them and you overcome it. So, it's impressive to me. I've been listening and hearing you, those are probably the three takeaways that I would

get from your recovery journey. You read the book, too. I talk about this might not be somebody in the history of the fellowship started in 1935 So whatever 84 years now that has been to more meetings around the world than me Want to make greatest passions others in Moriah, I took a Shuttleboat 45 minutes each way to Tahiti

French English speaking person held a meeting with seven people in recovery from the two days after Christmas. I was in Sydney because that's my fiance's family is from in Sydney, Australia over Christmas for meetings and six. Wasn't your wife from Australia too? How old is that? You imagine a Jersey, jillish kid Marries Australian from braze bin and gets engaged to another one from sitting Meeting them both are you mean them on like an app for just The type exactly so you know, I've been from meetings in Monaco and Kuehla Turks and Kicos Just one day and it's most amazing thing in the world.

Love people got a church run around, right? I go into a church basement, a clubhouse, a temple, whatever it might be, and you're not home, but you're right at home. The minute you throw your hands up and say, I'm down in the, I'm an addict from the United States, it's a love and a warmth and a fellowship and a bond with these men and women that nobody could ever understand.

That I know that if I was having a prom later a day, I can call anybody in that room when they're gonna be there for me. And then whenever I'm saying, I'm like fresh blood in that room, they're like captivated with what I'm saying, cause they just get here on the same story as they were over and over.

So we give and take from each other and it's just the most beautiful experience to have that anywhere in this world. I've been to meetings in Tokyo. It's something I get so excited about. I look on my app and I see what ones are around and I do whatever I got to do to get there because that one hour break again. It gives me all the gratitude that I need to understand this blessed life that I get to live

one day at a time. So, do you ever have a fall? Did you ever fall off and jump right back on the wagon again? Or were you just smooth sailing the whole 10,5 years? Well, I mean, you could say it that way, but I also try to get sober years earlier and to do the work. So I think once I finally really wanted it and surrendered.

But I do the work. You know, I've got all the big bad ass recovery advocates in the world are all my people from Chris Herring, Tim Ryan, Ryan Hampton, Garrett Hayden, and David. We know, you know, Brandon Novak, we all talk about it. I'm a rep for banning treatment centers. They've got 11 properties around America and because it needs to be part of my life 100 percent. And I've got this network of other advocates that have the same mission I do. We are using our voices to go out there on a grand scale and let the world know that hope and recovery exist, that if you're in this dark place, contact us, this is what we did. It exists.

Did you put a rehab cell or not? Just strictly. Now, I probably should have. I tell people that I don't think the way that I did I would recommend that. That's probably the one mistake I made because, you know, I could have most likely had a stroke or some other amines because of it. And I should have, but you know, at the time I was too busy, that's kind of, that was kind of the thing. I'll do it if I could detox that going on. What we have.

Right. And so, yeah, but they did the eight, but obviously it's worked for you and you've been very serious about it. So wow. Okay. I feel like is there anything else that I have to like ask you while you're running? I think we got it. I mean, I feel like I do, but wow. This is exciting. It's riveting. And, wow. I was like, no matter what, in what aspect of your life having those good habits is important. I think we've said, like what I always said that like being, you know, his habits and rituals in the morning is waking up going to gym, having eggs or oatmeal, and going to meetings because, you know, some people do meditation. He does meetings. to meetings because you know some people do meditation he does meetings so I think that I think we're good to go with you but thank you for coming on I

appreciate it and you know it was great to meet you and best of luck and I'm gonna finish reading this. I'm glad we showed our wrestling story. I know I was gonna say like I wanted to ask you a bunch of wrestling stories I was I was asking Darren off camera about all the Hulk Hogan Rikler, so that's a big fan. And like these guys are still making like a ton of money off of just being that. No, I like a season. Can I say some of this up? You don't do care. If I just say like a Hulk Hogan still making like a lot of.

I don't know exactly what they may put their making. They're making like a ton of money. Like they're still like that. And No, but they're making like a ton of money. Yeah. Like, there's still like, And many ways they're picking on, they've never been to unbelievable. Yeah. I wanted to ask you, do you think technology and a lot of the movements now

with on-demand apps, anything, can be helpful in the recovery community? Because, you know, A, it's been around for 60 or 70 years, but it's never really modernized to being like, to game, it's never been gam gamified and everything else we do has been gamified, you know, even healthcare now is becoming gamified. I'm just curious what you think about that. Absolutely. I mean, there you can actually go to 12-step meeting on your iPhone. Oh, you can. I was in Fiji for New Year's last

year. I was on a Skype meeting with 10 other people. It's unbelievable. For 45 minutes before New Year's, they shorten it because it was only 10 people, but everybody shared five minutes. Unfreak-em-lave, I'm looking at the ocean sitting here on the beach looking at my iPhone. Ever all telling each other stories, I said technology's amazing.

That's amazing. You know? I always wondered like, when people in Sicily checked Instagram for that little red icon in the likes, like imagine you could get that same satisfaction by saying that you were sober today or something like that. I'm just curious if you think that technology has a role in addiction.

I do. I think it's a lot easier for people nowadays to stay sober than it was. Even though there's a lot more drugs out there than alcohol and substance that was years ago, I think for somebody to say they went away or they went on vacation and they relapsed or for somebody to say, you know, I tried it for a month. I don't know why I couldn't get it. There's so many resources technology-wise. There's nothing like walking into a clubhouse or a church basement or a temple to feel the love of

people, but it's not an excuse. There's no friggin way that you can tell me. You couldn't log onto your computer. You can go onto YouTube just like any other type of spiritual breakthrough or motivator or mentor type in AA speakers and A speakers you could sit in front of a computer for an hour and be healed and make sure that you're on the path for that day. You're all about like no excuses basically. Which is what you should me to anything else a you said we can talk we can talk for hours but well thank you again for coming on I want to say everyone go go check out his book called Aimeighye

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