Heart Starts Pounding: Horrors, Hauntings, and Mysteries - 47: "Smee": A Christmas Ghost Story

Episode Date: December 14, 2023

A game of hide and seek takes a paranormal turn.  In the spirit of the old Victorian tradition of telling ghost stories around the holidays, I present to you, a modern-day retelling of A.M Burrage's... ghost story, "Smee"' Subscribe on Patreon for bonus content and to become a member of our Rogue Detecting Society. Patrons have access to ad-free listening and bonus content. Follow on Tik Tok and Instagram for a daily dose of horror. We have a monthly newsletter now! Be sure to sign up for updates and more. This episode is sponsored by Miracle Made. Miracle Made sheets are thermoregulating and designed to keep you at the perfect temperature all night long. Go to trymiracle.com/hsp to save over 40%. AND, if you use our promo code 'HSP' at checkout, you’ll get 3 FREE TOWELS and SAVE an extra 20%! Heart Starts Pounding is written and produced by Kaelyn Moore

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This hockey season pick up something to celebrate the puck drop. Wolfglass Yellow Label Cabernet Sauvignon is now 1495 until December 31st at the LCBO. Why settle when you can soar? Wolfglass Yellow Label Welcome back to another episode of Heart Starts Pounding, a podcast of horrors, hauntings and mysteries. I'm your host, Kaelin Moore. This is a community for the Darkly Curious, and I just want to let you all know that I have been indulging in my dark curiosity lately for you all.
Starting point is 00:00:39 Over Thanksgiving, I visited Galveston, Texas, one of the most haunted places in America. In the late 1800s, it was a huge port city full of wealthy people, industry, casinos, you name it. But a devastating hurricane in 1900 wiped out half of the city's population. It was so bad they couldn't find all the people who died in the storm, so they just rebuilt everything. Some people say that the whole city is built on a graveyard, and that those who died in the storm are all around, restlessly haunting the current inhabitants. Well, I did some digging while I was
Starting point is 00:01:19 down there, and I'm really excited to share with you the history and ghost stories of the place in an upcoming Patreon episode. Also, I may have visited the most requested haunted city I get on this show. So many of you guys have been asking me to visit this one place, and I did. I toured the cemeteries, I drank at the haunted bars, I walked the streets and I talked to locals. All for an episode I'm planning for you all early next year. If you have any guesses as to which place I'm talking about, I'm sure you already know. You can write your guess underneath the Instagram post I'm putting up for this episode. That's at Heart Starts Pounding on Instagram. And speaking of ghosts.
Starting point is 00:02:04 I have what I think will be a really fun episode for you guys today. pounding on Instagram and speaking of ghosts. I have what I think will be a really fun episode for you guys today. I want to talk about ghosts and what they have to do with Christmas time. And then I'm going to tell you a classic ghost story. Have you ever heard that song? It's the most wonderful time of the year? I'm sure you have, it's everywhere during the holiday season. The most popular version was sung by Andy Williams in 1963. The song is only 60 years old, but that is ancient in terms of staying on the charts. In 2020, 57 years after it came out,
Starting point is 00:02:47 it was still number five on the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart in the USA during Christmas time. The song has massive staying power, but if you've heard this song, you may have been able to pick out the one very strange line in it that not only baffles people today, but was confusing to listeners when it came out. There'll be parties for hosting, marshmallows for toasting, and caroling out in the snow.
Starting point is 00:03:14 There'll be scary ghost stories and tales of the glories of Christmases long, long ago. Okay, four of those five things are classic Christmas time activities. I get the caroling and the parties for hosting. But what is this about scary ghost stories? It's easy to shrug off that line and think that maybe Andy just needed a five syllable activity to fit that part of the song, so he came up with something random. But what he's actually hinting at is a hundred of years old Christmas time tradition. Telling ghost stories at Christmas predates the industrial revolution and comes from England
Starting point is 00:03:54 at least as far as we can tell. During the winter months, there wasn't much for family members to do at night besides gathering near the fire to stay warm. So they took to storytelling for entertainment. The ghost stories came along because, well, it was a fitting time of year for them. It was dark and dreary. A lot of Christmas traditions stemmed from the pagan ritual of Yule, a time when the veil between the living
Starting point is 00:04:20 and the dead was supposed to be its thinnest. The relics of those traditions remained, and people in the UK and the dead was supposed to be its thinnest. The relics of those traditions remained, and people in the UK and the Victorian era figured ghosts could walk among us at that time. So, heart starts pounding community. I want to start a new tradition for us. Each holiday season, I'm going to tell you a classic ghost story. Even if you don't celebrate Christmas, maybe you can relate to the dark and dreary feeling that comes with the winter months,
Starting point is 00:04:50 a time that is begging to be paired with a scary story. We're gonna take a quick break, and when we get back, I'm going to tell you a modern day retelling of AM Baraj's ghost story, Smee. retelling of AM Baraj's ghost story, Sme. This episode is brought to you by MiracleMade. Winter is here, and there is nothing better than climbing into a bed of clean, perfect temperature sheets. Recently, I have found bed sheets by MiracleMade that help me regulate my temperature all
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Starting point is 00:06:46 Go to trymiracle.com slash HSP and use the code HSP to claim your free three piece towel set and save over 40% off. Again, that's trymiracle.com slash HSP to treat yourself a friend or a loved one this holiday season. A few years ago, I came home from college for Christmas break and got together with some old high school friends. Coming home was always a strange feeling. I'd spend so long day dreaming of leaving my small town and everyone in it, but then I would come back and see these people who had watched me grow up, who knew me, like
Starting point is 00:07:32 really knew me. And for a second, it didn't feel like a place that I needed to escape from. But maybe that was the two glasses of red wine I had talking. There was a party going on upstairs, but just like in high school, my three best friends and I had found our way down into Colleen's parents' wine cellar. We should play hide and seek, Katrina said, pouring another glass of wine. Seriously? Colleen asked?
Starting point is 00:08:00 Why not? We used to play all the time. Yeah, when we were 12. I don't think I've played since you disappeared with Mapu Shard for half an hour, I laughed. It was like five minutes and I told you we got lost. That was the last time I played, too. It was probably the last time we all played. Abreana was reading the labels on the wines, clearly not into the idea. Not me, Colleen said. We waited for her to tell us more, but she just swirled the wine around in her glass, looking
Starting point is 00:08:33 into it as if lost and thought. So, when did you play? A Brianna asked. I don't know if I want to talk about it. Oh, come on, you wouldn't have said anything if you didn't want to talk about it. Yeah, tell us. Colleen waited for the wine and her glass to go still, and then she raised it to her lips and took a long drink.
Starting point is 00:08:55 I was a freshman, and I played at this old house off campus, but someone died there. While you were playing, Katrina asked, no, years ago. What happened? Well, the game is called Sme. But it's basically the same thing as hide and seek, or the same idea anyways. See, you tear up a bunch of sheets of paper, and all of them are blank, except for one. And on that one is written, Smee, which stands for It's Me, Smee. So everyone draws a slip and then you turn out all the lights and the person who
Starting point is 00:09:33 drew Smee sneaks away and hides. Then everyone else goes their separate ways and tries to find them. Whenever you come across someone in the dark, you're supposed to say, Sme, and if they say it back, they're not it. But if they don't say anything, then they're Sme, and you hide with them. The last person to find Sme loses. We played it that night, and I think I saw something I shouldn't have. So basically, you pick a piece of paper and you try to find the person who has the smee one, Averyana summarized. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:10:08 How did they die, I asked. I really don't know if I want to talk about it. Here, I said, I grabbed the bottle of red wine and filled Colleen's glass until it was almost overflowing. This might help. She gave a little smirk, appreciating the gesture. He broke his neck. The seller door slammed shut in the old light swung on their chains from the ceiling.
Starting point is 00:10:34 We all jumped. Everyone except Colleen. It's just the draft, when ever they opened the garage door it does that. She took another drink. It was 15 years ago and they were having a party at that house and they decided to place me. It was late, probably everyone was drunk, and there's this door you're not supposed to use. It's an old house, and the door goes to the set of stairs that's just straight down to the cellar and pitch black. So anyway,
Starting point is 00:11:03 a young guy is there, he doesn't know the house, he's smay, and he's running around trying to find a place to hide, but he can't find a good place, and he's running out of time. So he opens this door and jumps inside, and well, they found him at the bottom of the stairs. Jesus, Abraham are grown. So what happened when you played, I asked. I really
Starting point is 00:11:29 don't want to freak you guys out. Maybe it was because we were at a party and she didn't think it was the best time, but eventually she did finally tell us, which is why now, I'm going to tell you exactly what Colleen told us that night in the cellar, in her words. Freshman year, my best friend Megan had a crush on this guy Tim, and the week before finals, Tim was throwing this dinner with some of his housemates. It was going to be small, but Megan didn't want to go alone because she didn't know anyone else and didn't want to look desperate.
Starting point is 00:12:06 So she brought me. I guess the idea was that we'd roll through as if we were coming from something else, but I think everyone knew we were there just so Megan could talk to Tim. Anyways, Tim lived with four other people in this ancient three-story house off campus that was for honors students. in this ancient three-story house off campus that was for honors students. It used to be owned by a family who like invented synthetic silk in the 1800s or something. It was probably beautiful back then. It has these huge columns on the front
Starting point is 00:12:36 with a big porch on the first and second stories. And inside, it's all original hardwood floors and there's old gas lamps that were converted into electric lights. I imagine all sorts of interesting people used to come to dinner parties at the house, but when I went, it was just four pretentious pseudo-intellectual college dudes living there. The floors were scuffed, the furniture was sparse, and mostly plastic. The house had definitely seen better days.
Starting point is 00:13:06 So the dinner is at 8, but like I said, Megan doesn't want to seem desperate so we get there at 8.30. Only thing is, it's a dinner. Like, they had a catering company, bring food. So we were actually late. Everyone was waiting on us. So the second we get there, we go straight into this huge dining room with one of those long wooden tables and a big fireplace at one end of the room. I wish I had a sec to see more of the house, but we just sit down and start dinner everyone else at the party, but Tim kind of cannibalized the entire dinner with whatever out of pocket takes he had developed that week. Bitcoin is making a comeback. Social media is fascist, but whatever. There were 12 of us there, so I didn't know everyone, but I recognized everyone. Except for this one guy. He was cute in sort of a, my dad is a senator, but I'm mad about it kind of way.
Starting point is 00:14:12 Preppy with an edge, if that makes sense. But I didn't know his name, and he didn't talk much during the dinner, which, given the nonsense, Tim and his crew were spouting, kind of made him even more attractive. Eventually, we're wrapping up dinner and I think, okay, I can go home and crawl into bed and watch lawn order and maybe ask Megan about the senator's son. When someone says,
Starting point is 00:14:38 Hey, we should play a game. People started throwing out ideas, mostly turning the dinner table into a beer pong table, but Ryan, one of the housemates, says, why don't we place me? I'd never heard of it, but when he explained it, just like I explained to you guys, I was like, well, no, I'll go home and watch law and order. But Megan gave me this dough-eyed, please can we just stay? Look. So, whatever. The things we do for our friends. Ryan grabs a paper and tore up 12 slips, one for each person. Then he wrote
Starting point is 00:15:17 Sme on one of them and tossed them all into a hat. We each went up and took one and, thank God, mine was blank. Once we'd all drawn, we sat in a circle while Ryan went around the rest of the house and turned out all the lights. It seemed like it took him forever. Remember, I hadn't seen most of the house, but I could tell it was probably even bigger than I imagined, based on how long it took him to get to each room. When he finally came back, he turned out the lantern lights in the dining room, and it was nearly pitch black.
Starting point is 00:15:54 The only light at all was the red coals of the fire, and those were nearly dead. Okay, Ryan said. So Sme will get up and go hide, and after a minute or two I'll ring the spell. And then we all go try to find them. Oh, and be careful, Ryan added. Some kid died here a while back playing this game. Wait, what? One girl asked. No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:16:23 Well, I mean, yeah, Tim said. But we keep that door locked. He fell down the stairs. It was a long time ago. Just don't jump through any doors. You don't know what's on the other side of. We waited, and after a few seconds, I heard one person get up and push through a door, and then footsteps, slowly receding.
Starting point is 00:16:50 I thought my eyes would adjust, but it turns out there wasn't any light to adjust to. As the last footstep faded, I had no idea where Smee had gone. I thought about Tim's last words about jumping through unknown doors, And realized I didn't know where any of the doors in this house led. This dining room and the bathroom in the hallway were the only parts of the house I had seen. The house felt colder now too. And I could hear the wind whipping outside
Starting point is 00:17:17 as the temperature dropped. Soon, Ryan rang the bell and since I had no idea where I was going, I just followed a pair of footsteps. They went out into the hall that had the bathroom and back behind the grand staircase leading to the second floor. There was a hallway that ran perpendicular in the back and they turned left. The footsteps then disappeared on the carpet, but I followed in that general direction. The footsteps then disappeared on the carpet, but I followed in that general direction. When I reached the corner, I saw a window at the end of the hall. It was mostly covered by shrubs scraping against the glass, but there was a little bit of
Starting point is 00:17:53 moonlight that leaked in, at least enough that I could walk to it without stumbling. The hall turned right towards the back of the house. There was a door at the end that looked cracked open. I could hear people running around back down the hall from where I'd come and across the creaking floor boards above me, but me was probably sitting in place somewhere. Maybe behind this door, I walked down the hall towards it. It was cracked only an inch.
Starting point is 00:18:27 I could feel cold air coming around it. I put my hand on it and pushed it open. Just then, I heard the sound of two footsteps slowly pull up right behind me. Smeee! I jumped and hit the door hard with my hand as I did. It flew open and I realized I was lucky to not have lurched forward. Just on the other side was the steepest set of stairs I had ever seen. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, how did you open that? The voice said. It was Tim, unfortunately. It was already open. That's why I came over here in the first place.
Starting point is 00:19:11 I thought Sme might be there. No, that's the door we keep locked. Tim pulled the door closed and fiddled with the old handle. One of the guys probably used it to take out the trash again. I'll block it with something. I left Tim to his corner and went on looking for Sme. More confidently now that I knew which door led to almost certain death. I could hear the floors creaking above me, so I figured Sme must be upstairs.
Starting point is 00:19:40 I went back around the staircase and walked up to the second floor, muffled laughter at goad from the far end of the hall to the right. There was more moonlight here through the windows at either end, and I could see the stairwell leading to the third floor where I'd heard the noises. I walked into it, looked up, and whispered, Smeee? Eight eyes blinked back at me, not saying anything, so I went and joined them on the stairs. One by one, everyone else found us, until finally Tim walked by. Tim, I think you lost a voice called out.
Starting point is 00:20:15 Yeah, I had to keep Megan's friend from breaking her neck. I told you to stop using those stairs to take out the trash. Was the door open again? Ryan asked. Yeah, is everyone really here? Tim took out his phone and turned on the flashlight and shined it up the stairs. One, two, three, four. He started counting us one by one until 12, 13. Tim, there's only 12 of us here. Learned to count buddy. Ryan rolled his eyes. No, no, no, no, no, wait, hold on, one, two, he tried counting again, this time shining the light directly into each of our eyes as he made sure we were properly accounted for. 12. Wait, I didn't count myself.
Starting point is 00:20:58 13. I couldn't see that well, but I felt everyone start to look around. Where was he getting 13 from? Ryan couldn't take it. He got up and turned on the lights. He counted everyone out loud, pointing to himself and Tim as he counted. 11. 12.
Starting point is 00:21:17 See, there's all 12 of us now. Also, you lost that round. Everyone got up to restart the game, except Megan, who was sitting on the second to top step. She was looking around with a confused expression. Meg, you good? I asked. What? Oh, yeah. She said, shaking herself out of her trance. I just could have sworn there was someone sitting on the top step. I thought you were sitting on the top step." One of the girls said.
Starting point is 00:21:51 No, someone came after me and sat there. It was quiet for a moment. Quiet enough to hear the tree branches whipping against the windows of the house. The kind of quiet where you can hear everything. Even the things that aren't there. Well, round two, Tim said, that one wasn't really fair for me. And suddenly, it was as if everything was fine again. Megan stood up, and we all headed back to the dining room.
Starting point is 00:22:27 We regrouped and pulled slips of paper. I set a silent prayer once again to not be smear. I didn't want to find a secret hiding spot in the house to not be caught. I was starting to get a weird feeling about being here. But my prayers went unanswered. I pulled the smear, slip of paper, and honestly my face must have given me away. I was also not a very good smee. When all the lights went out, I got up and went to hide, thinking I would just retrace
Starting point is 00:22:55 my last path and find some good spot in the back of the house, but instead I somehow got lost and went in a big circle, practically running into Bryce, a third housemate. We had to sit down in the middle of the hallway, which meant we were found in about two minutes by almost everyone. Everyone except Megan. She showed up five minutes later and definitely got dragged by some of the guys for being last. As everyone headed back for round three, she pulled me to the side. Are you okay? I asked. She was super pale.
Starting point is 00:23:32 I thought maybe she just had too much to drink, which would help explain why it had taken her so long to find us. Something weird happened, she said. Like with someone here? No, no, no, no, no, I mean, so you were me, right? Yeah. Dude, what the hell? Okay, so the bell rings and I go into the kitchen because while I wanted water and anyways, I see the door to the pantry's open. And I'm like, okay, that's not a bad place for me to hide.
Starting point is 00:24:08 So I go over to it and kind of push it open. And I reach around thinking that I found you, and I feel a hand. So I say, it's me, and there's no answer. So I'm like, okay, I must be the first one. I slide in and I pull the door closed and I just wait. And I keep waiting and then I start feeling weird. Like I don't know how to explain it, just creepy.
Starting point is 00:24:35 So I'm like, whatever, no one's coming. I lean back against the wall and accidentally flip on the light. And no one was there. What do you mean, I ask? I mean, there's no one in the pantry. I'm just standing there with a bunch of plastic bags, but I felt a hand. You probably felt a cucumber. I said, really struggling to figure out what it could have been. No, I'm serious. What do you think? I think you've had a lot to drink. Why don't we just leave?
Starting point is 00:25:03 Please, I thought to myself, let's just go. No, I don't want to be lame and leave early. It doesn't matter. I followed her back to the dining room where everyone was gathered around the dead fire. It was obvious no one really wanted to play anymore, but there's always that one guy who can't read the room, and in this case, that guy was Tim. Okay, someone tear up more sheets, I'll pour some shots. I just wanted to go. I couldn't really have said why. It was just that feeling you get
Starting point is 00:25:34 when something in your brain or your body or your soul is saying, go. I could have just left alone, put on my coat and walked through the freezing cold back to my dorm, but it's not really the part of town a girl should walk through alone at midnight. I wish I would have though. Megan didn't care. She was helping Tim pour shots while one of the other housemates dutifully tore up slips
Starting point is 00:25:57 of paper. I didn't do my shot. But neither did the sunnader's son. That was actually the first time we made eye contact all night. Everyone tipped their heads back to drink, and I caught him pouring his cheap vodka out on the coals. He gave me a half smile, which was more warmth than I'd seen him give anyone else that night. I poured mine out into a dead plant beside me and watched as he made the motion of zipping his lips together. Our little secret.
Starting point is 00:26:27 That round I drew a blank slip. The lights went off again and we started all over. People stomped around the house trying to be caught. I was tired of my usual downstairs loop, so I went upstairs. All the way up past where we'd ended the first game, up to the third floor. There were two rooms on either end with closed doors, and in the middle, a large open space like a study. The walls were lined with bookshelves, and the back windows were covered with thick, dark
Starting point is 00:26:55 curtains that hung over black shades. So thick, hardly any light came through from the street. I walked towards the curtains, hoping to peek out and see just how bad this dorm had gotten, but as I reached to grab it, I felt my knee hit something solid. I looked down, and in the crack of moonlight, I could see two black loafers peeking out from behind the curtain. I recognized them, or I thought I did. The sleek black shoes of the Senator's son, I thought I could even smell the faint scent of smoke from the fire downstairs coming from his clothes. Smeee, I asked.
Starting point is 00:27:34 Nothing. I felt for a break in the curtain and slipped underneath it. It was pitch black, and I could feel the Senator's son's cold hand just beside mine. Hey, sober buddy, I joked. I don't think we've met. I'm Colleen Megan's friend. What's your name, Smee?" Thomas Wakefield. He said, so softly, I hardly heard him. The name sounded about right to me, of occasion in the Hamptons kind of name, the Wakefield estate had a nice ring to it.
Starting point is 00:28:08 I think I asked him if he went to school here, but he didn't respond. I don't remember him saying anything else at all. He was technically playing the game correctly, me is not supposed to say anything ever, but this was round 3 or 4, and I don't know, I thought we shared a moment downstairs, but maybe I was wrong. And then it just started feeling creepy, standing that still next to someone and not saying a word. And cold.
Starting point is 00:28:42 For some reason it was freezing under that curtain. All of the warmth he had shown me downstairs was gone, and I just wanted out. I made sure my shoes were sticking out from the curtain enough for someone to see me and gave a little shiver from the colds that would make the curtains move. And finally, I heard, Smeee? Neither of us said anything. In a moment later, I was joined by my favorite person in the world, Tim. Who is it? Megan?
Starting point is 00:29:14 Tim said. No, Megan's friend. Oh, are you Smey, Megan's friend? No, the other side of me. I felt Tim's hand reach across me and feel the Senator's son's forearm. Oh, another dude. Boring. You want a drink?
Starting point is 00:29:29 He said pulling a flask from his pocket. I passed. We stood there and made small talk, gradually louder and louder, waiting to be found. And finally, Ryan bounded up the stairs. Hey, anyone up here? Tim, Colleen! Tim stepped out from behind the stairs. Hey, anyone up here? Tim, Colleen! Tim stepped out from behind the curtain.
Starting point is 00:29:47 Uh, you're supposed to say, Smee. Tim said? Ryan flipped on the lights. Why would I say Smee when I AM Smee? Ryan responded. What do you mean you're Smee? He's Smee. I said as I pulled back the curtain.
Starting point is 00:30:01 But there was no one there. It was just him and me. We looked at each other, knowing exactly what the other was thinking, and both started screaming, ripping at the curtains to find the guy we were sitting besides. But there was no one there. Whatever, come on, everyone's waiting, Ryan said, running back downstairs. Whatever, come on, everyone's waiting." Ryan said, running back downstairs. We followed him down and back into the dining hall where the fire had been rekindled and the lantern lights turned back on. Found them behind a curtain, Ryan said, smiling as he entered. I could feel the glare from Megan from across the room. She was already throwing on her
Starting point is 00:30:43 coat. We were with him, I said, pointing to the Senator's son. He was me, or at least he acted like he was when I got up there. Me? I was downstairs this round. Yeah, he was the first to find me, Ryan said. Well, someone was there. Tim was breathless at this point.
Starting point is 00:31:03 Megan marched past us towards the front door. Meg, I'm telling you, there was someone there. He even told me his name. What was it? She said, accusing me with her eyes. Thomas, something. I'd forgotten his full name because of the adrenaline. My brain was not working.
Starting point is 00:31:22 Megan kept going towards the door, not believing me. But Ryan froze. Wakefield, he asked. Yeah, that was it. Thomas Wakefields, and he was wearing shoes just like your friend over there. Megan opened the front door just a bit, but the wind ripped it out of her hands and a gust of cold air shot into the house, putting out the rekindled fire in the fireplace. Tim and Ryan both turned a pale shade of white. Who is Thomas Wakefield, the Senator's son asked? Ryan finally managed to speak. Thomas Wakefield was the kid who broke his neck. Broke his neck. That was a modern day retelling of Smee, written by A.M. Barrage nearly 100 years ago.
Starting point is 00:32:12 So now, when you listen to the most wonderful time of the year, you'll understand the line about ghost stories a little bit more. But there's actually some more to the story about why an American song from the 60s included a line about an English tradition from a hundred years prior And it has to do with a Christmas ghost story that you're probably familiar with So Charles Dickens a Christmas Carol was so widely popular that it became a hit in America and stayed popular for decades afterwards and stayed popular for decades afterwards. The story of a man named Scrooge, who was moved by the ghost of Christmas past to become a better man, really resonated with American audiences. It would have been popular when the writers of the song were growing up, which is probably
Starting point is 00:32:56 why they thought to include it. Christmas ghost storytelling eventually faded as a tradition, as electricity became mainstream and people didn't have to huddle by a fire all winter. But also, in America, our obsession with ghosts and the macabre started taking shape around a holiday that Scottish and Irish immigrants were bringing over. Halloween. Had Halloween not become a mainstream holiday, we may watch scary movies at Christmas,
Starting point is 00:33:25 kind of wild to think about. So, this holiday season, gather your family round the fire and tell them the scariest ghost story you've ever heard. I promise, they'll love it. And if they're like, why are you doing this? Tell them that I told you it's important to uphold this 150 year old-old tradition. I think they'll come around.
Starting point is 00:33:52 This has been Heart Starts Founding, written and produced by me, Kaelin Moore, sound design and mix by Peach Tree Sound. Special thanks to Travis Dunlop, Grace and Jernigan, the team at WME, and Ben Jaffey. Special thanks to all of my new patrons, you will be thanked by name in the monthly newsletter. And a note on that, did you know we have a newsletter? Once a month, I share my thoughts, updates, and recommendations of spooky and macabre things. You can sign up for the newsletter, as well as send a scary story or episode request by checking out our website, heartstartspounding.com.
Starting point is 00:34:31 Until next time, stay curious. Woo! you

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