High Hopes: A Phillies Podcast - You Can Have Juan Soto, We'll Take LaMonte Wade

Episode Date: October 16, 2024

James Seltzer and Jack Fritz react to the Phillies end of year press conference and look ahead to what the front office can do to fix the team this offseason. Presented by Miller Lite. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Celebrate your song. Yeah. So let's just dive right into this for you. If you want a press conference, you just got a fist bump from Jack Fritz. I, I think you're joking, but I can't tell sometimes with you, if you've somehow like in the last week, diluted yourself in. Oh yeah. Come on, dude.

They were never winning. They were never going to win. I mean, what are we talking about? Why did we send the whole season talking about it? It's like four months. It was, it was tough. What did we expect to win? I'm sorry.

No, listen, it was tough. I know. What did we expect to win? I'm sorry. No. Ah. Ah. No, I'm honest. Please.

Dude, I'm ex, well, I was really excited. If we did this podcast before the press conference. I would have been a very different press conference. Or different podcast. I have a different podcast. Yeah. But yes, I am ready for the off season. OK.

Yeah. It was brutal. It was tough. I don't want to talk about it anymore. I got over it really fast. Like in a shocking amount of time. So I did and I didn't like I get it because like as the series started and as you know, especially after game three, I was like, all right, like, and I said it to you on the post game show. I was like, they're just better. Like the meds are just better. Like I accept it. So I was able to kind of accept it, but getting over it is a very

different thing for me. Like I am not over it. Like when I hear the term Phillies, I get angry still and I get sad and I get depressed and I feel like I wasted six months of my life. Jack, is you like to point out how many months do I have left to waste? We're counting them down. That's right. You're counting.

You know, I can't do that, man. No, I know. And the, and you only have so We're counting them down. That's right. We're counting. You know, I can't do that, man. No, I know. And the end, you only have so many of these seasons left. That's right. That's right. It's tough when you go through. I mean, it was basically a waste. It was a whole.

It was a full on waste of time. It was over in a week. You know, I was sitting there on on Monday back at Chickies. And I was thinking to myself, man, literally a week ago literally a week ago we said one of the most fun games and we said they better win the series or else no one's gonna remember it but yeah it's like you know by the way we got eight games at Citizens Bank Park each of the last two post-seasons two this year it just feels so unfulfilled yeah and it feels like I kept saying Emily too it was like I felt like I had like blocked off October like it was like in my head in my head

It was like yeah, you know, I mean it was like my head like I can't do anything I can't focus on this I can't focus like I got to worry about the film and that's it and staying up late and getting You know, no sleep and riding it and all like my whole October and then it was like What's how do I do now? I gotta like do things now? I gotta like to like the do list that I was like, I don't have to worry about this for a freaking month. It's like, oh, call this person do that back to life. I hate it. Well, yeah. And and that's why I don't know how to you know that, right?

I don't know how to put this into words. I don't know how to put this into words, but I'll try. OK, I'll do my best. That's what we do here. If you don't put it into words, it could never happen. Never be said. I just, and it's not cocky is not the right word, but it was like, we just, it's we, we got too comfortable, like too, too much. Like that's how it is. We get into October and really it's the team's fault too. Yes.

It's when the team talks, it was no doubt. And honestly from the top down, like it's the, the besides Middleton. Yes. The team talks. It was no doubt. And honestly, from the top down, like it's the besides Middleton. Yeah. Besides Middleton from the Nebraska down. Yeah. I would say because the biggest thing off of yesterday and Middleton gets no blame in any of this. Like, love you, John. Keep doing what you're doing, pal. You are up. We are so lucky to have you as an owner below you. We're ripping everyone. But it's like there's so much conversation of well, you know, October, like, you know, I got frickin Elliot saying, well, it's gonna be a super long run.

And like we get there's so many jinxes. It was just there's too many jinxes. There's too much of the national media that we're picking affiliates when the world series I want them to stop that freaking barstool guy putting millions on the fillings like the hell off. Yeah. All right. No one wants you here. I don't know what they're supposed to do with the amount of jinxes that were going their way. There was just a good angle on this.

What did you want them to do with the chase? Does jink jink does make you chase? Well, I don't know if you heard yesterday they were actually six. Yes. I didn't the Mets chase. Dave knew exactly what I wanted to hear. And that was it. That was the exact thing I wanted out of his mouth. Well, not as bad as you think. Hey, hey, don't be too mad.

We chase less than the Mets in the series. What do you mean? Really don't you should be happy. Actually, I mean, we should be throwing a parade that that that, you know, that we chase less than us. They just got hits and we didn't. Yes. That's generally how it works.

Between that, I mean, it was, so the biggest thing about the press conference yesterday was that it was awful and I hated it. Yes, I agree completely. Is that, Dabrowski usually makes me feel so much better. He makes me feel so much better when I'm talking to him. This is the first time he didn't. Not at all. I mean, it was- He made me feel so much better. That he makes me feel so much better. When I first time he didn't at all. I mean, it was even feel worse. It was it was it was it was just a miss. It was a big old swing and a miss.

They chased during the press conference. I mean, it's it's as simple as that. They chased the song and missed. It wasn't even close. It was so I get the best in the business right there. It was so not what anyone wanted to hear at all. I know, I know. It was no money or any of it.

I just want to hear a little bit of like, we're we're mad. We're not happy with accountability across the board. I mean, he even still defends the trade deadline. Like he still won't say, yeah, guys, my bad. I shouldn't have thought that that was gonna work like whoops He's doing the tase like well all stays got hurt. Sorry guys crazy Philips dude Tyler Phillips made his way in the end of season press count

I'm sort of over talking about the fist art of thing. I mean it wasn't gonna affect the playoffs. It was still Looking back. I understand why they didn't go for a fist starter. I'm just talking about that. The lack of accountability. I know. I know. And he did mention Tanner Banks, which was shocking. Didn't think that Tanner Banks. Oh yeah. He's like Tanner did great. He's exactly what we wanted from him. Exactly what we wanted. A fifth inning mop up reliever. That's great. Worked out awesome. Terrific. Dynamo stuff. It it was it was a real it was brutal i mean it was so not how the fan base is feeling it didn't lift anyone up it was a lot of like well that's baseball yeah and yes if you had to like just sum it up in a phrase they just said well baseball well and if

i hear one more time and it's the thing that drove me nuts most of the press conference was about the thing that drove me nuts most of the press conference was about well listen the key to the offense is is make sure we use all fields okay so brand new idea so so we're gonna tell a bunch of 30 plus year olds that's what I'm saying it's it's uh it was if you think that that's good unlock something with the offense by the way if you Rob Thomas said we told them every day use the whole field they didn't. And then we're going to bring back the same hitting coach. Right.

What are we doing? It's a definition of insanity, it feels like, you know, again, I know I'm doing the Philly thing that I know, but it's the Philly thing like that. Expecting a different result or doing the same freaking thing again. And to your point, like the idea that these guys who can't even stop chasing, they say Trey Turner said, sorry, not going to do it. Don't want to really when I get up at the plate competitor, just as low Alec Bohm was like, Nope, sorry, I'm going to swing wherever the hell I want to swing at. Like, and then they think that all of a sudden these guys make y'all spray it all

over the field. Oh, you want me to hit the opposite field? No problem I'll change how I do my approach. I'll just say he's not changing anything Like what I don't understand that it's like willful ignorance here Well, and they tried to do with gas or casting I was trying to beginning of the year. Yeah, and a bad one's having Yeah, it didn't work. I don't know what stock season was. I mean the rest turns 32 today I know it's up to 32 years old now. I know. I know. I'm not happy. No, I'm not.

I don't think it was my big hope is that it was just a press conference where they're going to lie and they're not going to tip their hand and not going to say what they're really going to do because if they run it back with the same exact coaching staff, which is the coaching staff's back, like that is done. Like he could have been lying about, you know, we don't need a big star. This is nothing. It's still go after Soto. All that type of stuff.

I, the people who all say the only reason Kevin Long's here is because it's sort of like, yeah, maybe I think that's at least possible, but that's so it's just to pick you in that case. But like the fact that like the coaches are back back, like they are not getting fired. Like no matter what they might be lying about the rest Of the offseason this coaching staff is back 100% back and I'm honestly I'm fine with I'm fine with Thompson being back I I said I'm okay with it like it whatever I said last week that if they're not gonna be able to make any changes on the roster someone has to take the fall for This and if they again they they rolled over essentially they rolled over in games three and four, looks like

the message wasn't getting through. Like there's a case fire Rob Thompson, I don't think it's his fault why they lost, but someone has to take the fall here. So I'm and he has had three really bad decisions in big moments in three straight postseason. I mean, pulling Wheeler was a disaster. disaster going to Kimber was a disaster. And bringing off and back out leaving him in for three batters was a disaster. Going to Kimber was a disaster. And bringing Hoffman back out, leaving him in for three batters was a disaster.

So the long one I just, I don't get, unless they think there's some insane chance to get Juan Soto, it's the only thing that makes sense. Cough them. I'm glad. Stay. Uh, me too. I never wanted cotton perfectly fine. If I would be upset, I would definitely be upset with it.

Well, that wasn't the problem. I mean, it's not cause them. So the bullpen forgets how to pitch in the playoffs. That's not you know, they joke. I mean they absolutely joke so the coach staff is a hundred percent back back I There is no way and my big saving grace is that there's no way Middleton agrees with what they said yesterday There's no way there's no way that guy who who? In the middle of season when they were struggling was mad they were struggling even though they're the best like quote unquote record in baseball.

There's no way he's listening to them say, nah this is fine we're gonna run this back. They have to understand and this like they have to get it through their heads that if they run it back you're not getting 45,000 a game or 43,000. We're getting back down to, it's going to be a little bit lower. You can't, you cannot expect the fan base to be super all in like, we're going to watch every game. We love them. We'll never watch every game when they were terrible. Yeah, exactly.

And our listeners will as well. But to run it back with the same team for the third straight year, essentially minus like Trey, if you want to go off of off of 22. And after getting worse, my worst finish each of the three years, it's not going to work. It's not going to work. And again, unless that unless they get in and they go on a magical run, like, of course, people are going to be in. But it's this fan base is going to need to be won over in a way they have not had to be won over

the last couple of years. Well, and on top of that, to your point, I think that's such a good way to put it, unless they get in and go on a magical run, it feels like that's what they're banking on. It feels like unless again, they're lying about what they're saying and they go out and they make all kinds of crazy moves this off season and it was all smoke. That's great. But if it's not, and if the plan or whatever that the semblance of a plan that we heard yesterday is it's basically We're running it back and we hope our guys get hot at the right time like that's it. That's the that's a plan and

use the whole We're gonna teach our girls. Yeah, all of a sudden these guys are gonna become completely different. Oh man, like what great idea It's insane. Is that that part of it is actually a batch man. Like what great idea. It's insane. That that part of it is actually batch. Maybe it'll change. I held it in. I think I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I held it in. I said, Come on, I'm not saying tell me when we quiet. No, I just James Sirianni. We get it. I mean, it's here. My kids here. I don't see. I don't see. So yeah, all right. I don't see that here. But listen, maybe we'll change the lineup around. That's going to be their big offense. Cool, man.

Great. You've got to get Schwab around the leadoff spot. That'll jumpstart this whole thing. It's again, I'll give them a benefit of the doubt is probably the wrong word because I don't think they deserve the benefit of the doubt given what they've done after, move wise after 22. I guess I'll just believe it when I see it on opening day that or not opening day but spring training that this is the same team because there's just there's just no freaking way there's no way

and and and Dave Dabrowski again if I hear one more and I like Dave Dabrowski I really do I think he's done a pretty good job he struggles since 22 if I hear one more time about how how aggressive he is he knows when to strike he knows when to bake make like do it. I got it here. He has not done it I've not done it once here Oh, listen, you can spend the owners money all you want make a difference making move make a can make one tough decision Yeah, they have to make a tough decision this off season Are you gonna choose to move on from boom? Are you gonna choose to move on from Marsh? Are you gonna choose maybe stop? Are're gonna go pay for Juan Soto,

you can't just like, yeah, we'll just pay someone to come here. Like make a tough decision to see if you can jump and move this thing forward. He hasn't made a tough decision since he got here. There hasn't been a tough decision since he got here of like, this is what I have to do. I just, it was such a disheartening press conference

yesterday if you, if first off from the tone they set, which was, it was a short series, it was the Mets, they were hot. What'd you want us to do in baseball? Exactly. And from the standpoint of we're pretty locked in. I don't know what you, like I, it's so, it's so missed the mark as to where this fan base is. I need someone to sound mad about how that went.

The players, I mean, this is how they talk for two months of don't worry, like, oh, we're fine. When we get in, we know how to play in October. You don't. This is a two secretary year. You have to bleed at three to against the time backs. You blew it. You had the you had the home field advantage in this series and you blew it.

Like I just do it. Prove to me it rather than just telling me. And we are even coming out of the locker room I mean, I hate it. It didn't get much like pub But I hated that Nick Castellanos said we think we're better team you weren't you very clearly weren't close to that Mets team And guess what? They've been a better team for four freaking months like this whole like we were the best team in baseball thing And look, I think we all to your point we got comfortable and we're like, yeah, the record's still good. You know, like, look

at the record. We diluted ourselves into not realizing that they were an average team for more than they were a great team. They were a great team for two months. They were an average team for four months. And it doesn't seem like they totally understand why they're home right now, which is which worries me from the standpoint of Dave, Nebraska has been a general manager since what, 1991? I mean, yeah, mid 90s at least. I mean, he was pretty young.

Yeah, oh, the, yeah, I forgot what the X-post is. Built the X-post, built the Marlins, and then went to the- The Marlins was 97, he was there for sure. Sure, either way, he's been a GM for 30 years. 30 more years, almost your entire life. The fact that they can't put their finger on, Rob Thompson had been a bench coach

for the Yankees since 96, 97. He doesn't really understand why they're home. They can't figure out. They can't figure out if they want to start hot or not. I mean, the way they talk to each other, it's like, maybe we need to rest these guys more. Okay. Well, what if you miss the playoff? Well, especially after they just did this, got to start hot.

It's the most important thing. Oh my gosh. So it's like you do that. And then if you fail and then you're like, well, gotta start hot. It's the most important thing. Oh my God. So it's like you, like you do that. And then if you fail and then you're like, well, that was terrible. What's the other? It's a crazy, there's no, there's no logic to any of this. Well, and, and, and the other thing that's kind of concerning concerning to me is, is they're just like, oh, well, the Mets are on a magical run and the Tigers were on, okay, what about the Yankees and the Dodgers? Dodgers who were up there with you as the best records in baseball? And also, by the way,

enough of this Matt's magical run thing. The Mets have the highest payroll in baseball. All right. I know they got rid of a lot of it and there's some on the side. It is stupid. They said for their, their best player makes three as a $341 million contract. Their best player makes more money than anyone on the Phillies in terms of full full overall contract. All right. Brandon Nimmo makes what 100 120 million dollar deal Alonzo is not paid, but he's going to be paid this year. Like, it's not like it's a team full the Tigers. That was a magical little thing. That was unfricking believable that a

bunch of guys making 2 million or less did that. Like this is not some like, underdog story. The Mets thing, like it's actually annoying how much it's like, Oh, look at this magical team out of nowhere. Like enough. I know. No. And, and listen, and the issue with them too, is that they're going to have a hundred plus million dollars coming off the books this off season, you know, with, with the Verlander insurers or deals, I believe. So they're going have even more money to go do and what they want to do now at the same time.

The Mets are on a lot of they have a lot of one year deals, you know, they had to make decisions about Severino about Manaya, about Alonzo about I think I think Marte is running out this year. I don't know. But either way, like they have a lot of a lot of guys on one. Yeah, Manaya has earned himself a lot of money. Yeah. Yeah.

So yeah, I just it was it was a lot of throw your hands in the air rather than this is gonna be an offseason of of action and again Maybe they're just doing lip service that David and browse. He's been you know, pretty good at lying Yes, he is also pretty honest. But yes Yes, he when he needs to like he needs a lot like the defensive bone felt a little. Yeah, like he did. We all remember the was a Bob Brown and Ben Brown and Logan. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ben Brown. Bob Brown. Yes. Bob Brown was an eagle, I think. Right. Bob Brown. Yeah. Old school eagle. Like maybe tackle. Yeah. He might be like an English hall of fame. Yeah. Nice. Nice poll there by you. Yeah. Well, I'm still not over. This is no disrespect. I promise. I had no idea who that Fred Hill was

Did you watch the game on Sunday? Yeah watching it? What do you mean? Like Fred Hill? They honored him in the first? Oh, oh Oh, yeah, I saw that. I was like, whoa Sir, the Ron McDonald house. I was like this guy should be someone Come on I'm working. Yeah, I'm not. But it was he's apparently for eight years. Yeah, he started the Ronald McDonald.

I was like, he should be a much more you're right. Yeah. Shout out to Fred. Shout out to Fred. I had to get to wear Fred Ells number. I mean, that's that's something. Yeah, it is. But I forget where I was. I just. I hope it's a lie and and it was that he can lie. So you're back. Sure.

He has lied in the past. There's just I told a lot before he's told many lies before. I. And again, my big saving grace is I find it very hard to believe it would have to be a total like middle middle test to be the best actor of all time for it to be true There's just no way that Middleton agrees with with what they put out there yesterday. There's just there's no way he He's gonna shell out big money. We'll see if they can get so do I have no idea

There's a lot of people willing to shell out big money. Yes turns out. He's pretty good It's both New York teams will be heavily involved. Well, at least we're keeping the hitting coach around with false hope. It's great. Yeah. He's going to come here because of his hitting coach, like really hitting coach, straight Turner and Bryce. Yeah. And how he Kendrick and how we Kendrick, who could forget? Do you think?

I know they extended them is is next year a a start slow move on thing or do you think? so I think they only extended him so he wasn't a lame duck. I know. And my point being though that if you think heading into the year he's like a bad two months from being fired. Sure. I don't think he definitely will be. But do I think it's on the table? Sure. You know, especially if they run it back. There's no other moves they can do. What else are they going to do? Like how else do you shake this thing up? Back to Nebraska though, I do think you made a, you know, we've talked very positively about the Nebraska and we do think that overall he's done a good job here. But the more this goes on, make us bring up the first, but honestly, here's where I'm going.

I think the first podcast, we weren't as wrong as, as we thought we were right after, because I do think, I think the thing that we were wrong about was that David Nombrowski, and we've talked about this, I think David Nombrowski is all time great masterful at building an organization, at looking at an organization and understanding what a winning organization looks like. How a winning drafting and development group operates and how a winning front office operates.

But to your point, in terms of building the roster on the field moves, especially because he hasn't come in and done the Dave Dabrowski thing, he has done a mediocre job. I mean, we've talked about it for a couple of months here, you know, the Klentak resurgence. Like when you really look at the vast majority of great players on the scene, they're Matt Klentak guy. Yeah, I think the the biggest thing that Dave Nebraska has done is I think he's obviously brought professionalism Like you said they were not that no no no it's been really important

I don't want to underrate it It's just off the field and that's a hard thing to bring up on the radio because people just get mad on this podcast I feel comfortable bring it up like our people get it. Yes, we're very smart he has he has brought them from a Tino's stuck in the past. That was that didn't know what they wanted to be. Did they want to be an analytics group or an old school group? And I think he's found a good way to blend into. So I think he deserves a lot of credit. He's brought in smart people and all that type of stuff. Correct. Hey, fantasy football owners, the road to winning your fantasy football championship starts now. I'm Matt Harmon from

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get your podcasts. On the field, I think he has gotten them to, I think he's figured out winners in a way, like bringing in Schwerber is a huge, it's his best move by far. So I think it's really important. So it was nice move, you know, the Alvarado tree when he first got yours, a nice move, but like, but there, but there, I keep waiting's really important. This was nice move, you know the avarado tree when he first got yours a nice move but like but they're but they I Keep waiting for the we and we talked about this. Where is the signature?

There it is. There's the the all-in move and what I keep coming back to and they might be right I'm not saying they're wrong because there is a chance they're right is I think that they are so Worried about what happened in 2012 to 2018. Oh, clear. Where the cupboard was bare and they don't want to move on from some of these guys. I totally agree with you. And the difference, I think, I think the difference is, is that when he got to to Boston, his only job from was win a World Series. Yep.

Go win a World Series, pay whatever it's. Don't care what it takes. Yep. And I don't think that's the case here. I think the. Yep. Go in a World Series. Yep. Hey, whatever don't care what it takes Yep, and I don't think that's the case here I think the Phillies want to win a World Series, but they want to be a long I think they want to keep the window open as long as possible I mean Middleton said it easy, you know, he and and the browsky have said they both said, you know They were this isn't just our year. It's a we're going to the future by the way We probably should have listened to what they said after the season a lot more They asked some World Series or bus. He's like, yeah. Yeah

They were like, not really Dave Zabroski said two days before the postseason started. I don't know about the offense Essentially essentially, you know, he said after the season ended do I'm just gonna re-rack it we actually were better than the Mets adjacent that's what you all wanted we scored the fifth month runs did you guys know that yes just want to throw that I do I do think though they did win the world series in May they did oh they were they they were I mean all-time great they really thought all-time great early on they really were talking uh marlins and yankees and Mariners and Yankees. I will say, look, I do think that to, you know, kind of get to the core of it. I do think that we are in an era of baseball. And we've talked about this a lot where it is, you know, kind of get hot at the end and be the best team in the postseason and all that. And I think that that's kind of messing with their heads a little bit too. To your point, do they need to start hot, they need to get hot at, again, all this type of stuff. So I do think there is a world where, you know, they just get into the playoffs and everything works out right and they win like that is possible because that's what baseball is now. But I get frustrated because you are right smack dab in the middle of a window with these guys. And we're starting to get to the back end of that window, at least for Harper and Turner and these guys, you know, JT, JT, I mean, JT, this will probably be his last year

as a Philly, right? I mean, like most likely. So I mean, we hope it is honestly, I don't want them paying JT at 35 years old, to be honest, depending on what he costs. But like, I understand them saying, Hey, you know what, like, it's kind of a crowd shoot me into the playoffs. So do we really want to do this or do that or ever? But like, you can't run your team that way. You can't like not try and maximize a window when you have it in any way you can. Well, and and what it keeps coming back to the same time, too, is that listen, if if if the two teams in the ALCS, they were up to, oh, I know that I know that the series is one one, but let's say the Mets are up 2-0 and the Tigers are up 2-0 in the ALCS.

The Guardians. The Guardians have been one of the best teams in baseball. All year. You're talking about a team that got hot. Got you. If these two teams are going to a Mets-Tigers World Series, then I would be more forgiving in a way of like, okay, well, listen, there's two hot teams. But it's not. It's three out of the four best teams in baseball that are still in this thing and the the Yankees are are taking it to the card they are without Aaron judge

really doing anything besides garbage time Aaron like all time like he's the new Kershaw he is so funny he is though right he's the new Kershaw dude he hit 50 how many home runs 58 home runs he's 58 home runs and he had like 51 going to September and they got a little cold he. 58 home runs. And he had like 51 going into September and they got a little cold. He had 58 home runs this year. He's going to win the AL MVP. And they intentionally walked him last night for Giancarlo. I know. They know they intend to walk Santana, which they should. I mean, Stanton's about as they walk soda to get soda to get to whatever you that's what it was. And either way, they should I'm more afraid of Soto and Stanton for that. I mean, Stan's a stud in the playoffs.

It's pretty ridiculous. It's wild. If. Giancarlo Stanton gets to 500 home runs, is he a Hall of Famer? No, I just I can't do it. I know he's not a Hall of Famer. So clearly not all of them.

But he might. He's at four hundred thirty. Is he that high? I didn't realize he had put together enough seasons to get that high. Wow. Wow. He's going to get there then probably. Well, I don't know who knows but there's just no I can't do it.

I can't either. I can't do it. Now Mike Stanton. Mike Stanton. Dude he's at 429 career. Wow. And a big post kind of a big postseason resume. Well the postseason resume helps him the most.

They win the World Series. Yeah, he keeps doing this. Is Judge Hall of Famer? I probably I mean, it's still early in his career comparatively to you think Juan Soto is. Yeah, I do. Once I was 25 years old, can we talk about the fact that he's 20? I know you were 20.

I thought he was just turned 26. Yeah, like it's or he's about to any day. I know it's an October. Unbelievable. Pretty good. It's pretty good. Pretty good. We like to have them if we get them. All right, so let's get to that thing. Like, all right. So I do think that they'll be in on Soto like there's been enough reporting and I do think the Kevin Long thing like it's the most logical solution or answer for the Kevin Long thing is, oh, they think, but like, can we really expect slash ask John Middleton to give and I know it's a different situation. He's younger, he's better, all that. But like, after watching this trade Turner thing, and knowing you have nine years and $245 million left to pay trade Turner, man, do you think John's gonna hand out another 10 year 500 million? Are you?

I just it seems like such a big ask. Like it seems like if you're Dabrowski, how do you go in that room? Be like, Hey, give me 450 million after I just gave or five after I just gave 300 to this guy who we're going to keep my shortstop. So that's cool. Right? Yeah. Well, actually, his defensive metrics aren't that bad. Oh, I couldn't believe that. Chad, Tim Kelly, for going back on the bulldog, the bulldog TK. So Bloomsburg teaches you, baby. That's

right. I forgot. I should have known. I should have known. You know, me like. Look, I never expected them to move over. I'm hopping things. I never expected them to move Turner next year. Not next year. Not next year, eventually. But like. It's the best for the team, like what? Yeah, what a thought. Like, but you promised Trey Turner, you gave him a lot of money.

So you're going to be our shortstop. So you get to be our shortstop. Like. It's that's the kind of thing where if they're winning, you kind of are like, I, you know, whatever, it's fine. But like when when you don't win and there are these things where it's like you can point to me like that's not how sports are supposed to work. Like I get it that you paid him a lot of money, but you're supposed to put the best players in the best position to try and win games. And I don't give a crap about where that guy wants to play.

Like, are you kidding me? Like, it's just, it's all backwards. Well, I mean, it's not really backwards. It's how sports work. I I mean, it's not really backwards. It's how sports work. I mean, I know, but it shouldn't be like, do you think that do you think that that money and where a guy wants to play should supersede what's best for the team? Holistically speaking? No, but you have that. I get it.

I accept matter. I'm just saying relations. He's here. He's signed. Where'd you go? Oh, good. I hope he asked for a trade I'd love to trade him get out of here he's gonna push words up one more year yeah one more year and then he's gonna be in center field good so he's gonna suck it shirts up another year that'd be great dude he's heating up last oh you know that he stinks he's a bad defense he could have he could

have turned double play by the way yeah it's a bad defensive shortstop yeah not even at not even below I we don't mean that you don't even need he's he's so mediocre. You don't even have to look at the defensive. Oh, well, that was the points like you're going back. We have eyes. Yeah, don't you? I just wonder. I mean, I. They're going to have some tough decisions with obviously Turner. He's probably going to be center fielder left field someday. I just I wish the bat profile better for left field.

I do too. You know, so. Centerfield makes the most sense. He's fast enough to play it. It's just you're throwing him out. He's never played it or not. He's young, you know, besides his majorly debut. He played centerfield. Did he? Yeah. Oh, I was looking that up earlier in the in the season.

And everyone was mad at me for suggesting that idea. People create whatever. Now everyone's like, Oh, really? No, well, yeah, that's come back around, huh? Whatever. Um, so he's gonna be a center field at some point. I just wonder what the just real quick, by the way, before we move on this, Zander Bogarts got $280 million in the Padres within a second after one

year said, All right, I'll play second base. Sure. Like, you already got your money, dude. Like just help the team. Whatever. Sure. No, it's gonna be it's gonna be a big topic of conversation. We're gonna we're gonna talk about it ain't going away. Yeah. Well, unless he's great. Yes. He has a magical your church. I'm more curious as to what the long term answer at shortstop is going to be. I'm more curious as to what the longterm answer at shortstop is going to be. Cause well, it can't be a starling car. There's GAVA. 80 great. Bro, like let's go out on Caribbean. It go freaking pick it up.

Everyone doesn't care. They can hit until he gets the major league until his Johan Ross. It's your job. Yeah, exactly. Johan Ross, who I love the plan. This. Oh, it's great. I'm happy that he brought that up.

Yeah. Maybe he told us about the plan for your own raw. He's got a living clear water. Dude. so like. All right, let's get to some of the specific players stuff, because he did say like Marsh and Cassie, I said, love them. Great. They're back. Boom. Love him. He's back for a set.

I mean, they're the only options for changing the lineup around their centerfield and left field, apparently. Allegedly. Allegedly. How do you feel about that? And how much do you believe that is going to be? So I don't believe the left field one at all. I do not believe that. I don't think they're going to have to break up with someone from the daycare. And by the way, if I hear daycare.

Oh my God. I don't want it. Ali Poulm is going to be 29 next season. I know. All right. He's young. Do we call you daycare Jack around here? No, we don't know exactly No, yeah, I'm actually of the younger producers. I'm the older. I know Fun. Yeah. Well, it's driving me pal. All right. Well, listen, buddy He signed up for it and did with your voice of yours. I know

Miracle Perpetually young I know so I don buy the... I think they'll look to upgrade left field and I think if I had to... if I was betting, right? If I was just... and I would never. Not a big gambling. No, never. Never talk about it. Never think about it. If I was a betting man, I think that they would move off of foam. I think they're willing to move off of foam if there's a logical solution that would not theoretically make them worse. I don't think they're married to Alec Baum. He's a year left. I don't think they're going to extend on this.

Oh, I don't either. No, no. And I get something for him all you can theoretically got it in the take back. But let's get it out of the way. Oh, there's a path to a bone for Devin William Strayed. And then Alex Bregman signing. Yeah. And it's I mean, it's so Philly's design Bregman. I mean, he's old. I am. I hate the idea. You've always hated out.

You've been like, you've never been. I think I've thought I've thought he's the most every. Yeah, yeah. You've always feel like we've been like I like Frank. You've never been I think I thought I thought he's the most every yeah Yeah, you know, I feel like we've talked about this a long time and now I need them but I look Take a guy who's had big playoff moments in one world series of war. Yeah, sure. Sure awesome So I just another Jew in here. No big deal. I know, you know, it's big stuff saying but I just think that There's a there's a path here for for that kind of deal. And with with Bregman, I am getting about sick and tired of paying for past performance.

But unfortunately, it's where the team is at to where it's the only thing you can do as you because if you don't want it, listen, if you don't want to trade prospects, you're going to have to pay people. I don't know what one or the other. That's the way it works. And I and the thing that worries me the most about a possible regman deal is that I know that they like to stretch out deals. It could be like a six year deal, which I don't want. Can we just go like- The 2030 fillies are gonna be a disaster. We're gonna be like- they're like, whoa, that's the thing with this prospect thing where it's like, well, we don't want to trade our chips because we don't want to be bad for a while.

You're gonna have a 38 year old Harper and a 37 year old Turner, whatever out there. Like you're going to be bad anyway. Like go all in now. Aiden's coming by the way, no pressure, kid. I mean, there's been so much like so much aid in aid in the right. And I listen, he's still really I love you so really. He's good. But he's 20. Yeah, he's a 20 year old. old I know they're 20 like deep breaths. I

Know there's you know, I know they're playing the World Series in 19 one That a cleanup in the world, you know sitting go to Miguel Cabrera by the way, yes But we'll go brer on those 97 Marlins That clean up in the world or the three Marlins. Excuse me. I was going to say on the three Marlins and then Nebraska Trader form. 19 years old back and clean them. What a stud. So hold on. So I drafted him fantasy the next year and he was friggin awesome. I'm like a superstar. I could not imagine playing fantasy baseball in 2004.

Oh, yeah, dude. I might say, dude, I have pools was too hot of the year. You had 150 RBI. Dude, that was the best team I ever had that oh, dude. I might do that. I have pools was too hot of the year yet 150 RBI Dude, that was the best team I ever had that Oh for team. I thought people still talk about Yeah, yeah Good, you're right. My team name freak freak plus to equals Super Bowl nailed that. Oh That's like my ESPN calm password for till I was in college. Yeah after to left was to sucks for life Before yeah, thank you and SUX. That's good. I say, you know, I was mad. Yeah get that for a long time That's good. I still work

Someone listening to Jack there you go. I was really mad. I was really mad at to And he's they should just paid him. I mean, we all we all agree on their job, but that is not a hot taker out here Yeah, and you know, it's funny so We all agree on that, buddy. That is not a hot taker out here. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, it's funny. Uh, so. Traded from Miguel Carrera with the Tigers traded for Chris sale with the, with the red Sox, where we're at. I mean, where's, where's, where is it? Yeah.

Where's the trade? Yeah. Where's the big trade? Is it Garret? Is it Garret Crochet? Is it all season? That was his M. Oh, that's the reason we were upset.

I know. Well aware. Now we're there. Now we're like, Dave, go frigging do it, man. So back to Bregman and Devin Williams. Cause I that's why I'm excited. I could see it on your face, buddy. That make it Bregman batting second.

Rather than, you know, chase right over there. I want a good nickname. Oh my God. I mean, chase Turner. I mean, holy Let's turn and move down. Maybe I'm gonna call him chase Turner or move up. I don't know. But if you have him Bregman is a hundred percent trending down. There's no doubt about it, but he had 26 home runs last year Winner, man. Oh winner. He's a stone cold winner. Hold on. Can the big trade to see Kyle Tucker this off season?

Please, give up the whole organization for Kyle Tucker. If Bregman's leaving, what do you need him for anyway? I agree. I agree. What do you need him for? But at least with Kyle Tucker. I know he's awesome. If I can get Bregman, I'll overpay. What? Three years? I don't want six years of Bregman. I'd rather I'd rather overpay for three years than stretch out and pay less I know without a doubt so

You get Bregman at least you have a third baseman that get 25 home runs. It's a winner that Apparently from Astro's sweater struggles going to his left Great. We got a short stop that can go to his right with no problem Great. We got a short stop that can go to his right with no problem. He bat if they if they run it back with Schwab or I think Bregman right behind Schwab is a is pretty good. I mean, and turn in the five hole kind of thing. It's I got a swing in there a little bit. Different idea for the four spot.

Well, I said five. I know. OK. But we're bumping everyone down. Oh, I got bumping. OK. But it wants soda. No, it's not. That'd be a pretty big off season. Bregman and Wansota. It's a it's worrisome. I'm not saying it's like a lock.

Great idea is OVP drops like 315 this year after multiple years of being in the 360s. So I guess you have to bank on that kind of getting back. We like to get guys who are declining. That's my problem. It's like it's like, yeah, these guys are all declining. But I sort of need them because I want to win. I know know they got it. They got to win with this freaking group, man. Like, just freaking go for it. I don't care. Sell the farm. There it is. Sell the farm. But and then bomb for Devin Williams. I mean, they don't want to pay Devin Williams, obviously, because they don't pay anyone in Milwaukee. They get one year particularly relief pitchers. Yeah, like they're gonna pay anyone. It's like's like a starting bid and they paid Woodruff and then he can't pitch anymore.

It's like, whoops. Yeah. And they had a lockdown closer except against Pete Alonso, except in the playoffs. But if they do innings for runs or ever in the playoffs, Bregman and Devin Williams makes them a better team. Sure. If you're going to essentially run it back. So, you know, that's the I don't want them to essentially run it back. No, they won't. I I really don't think they will. I really, really, I, I, in my gut, I don't think they're going to run it back. Yesterday was brutal. Did not like listening

to it. I hated it. It was an hour and 15 that, uh, that I, I just, I didn't leave the studio. I just had to sit there and listen to it over. Hated it. I mean, hey, I hated it so much. It was so depressing. Yes. Especially again, I really I'm happy you said that before, because the thing that I kept thinking was like, this guy always makes me feel better when I hear him talk. He's making me feel worse. And I I was not ready for that. All right, let's take back. All right. So in left field, this is early. We haven't perfect off season at all. And no, no, no, no, no, it's coming.

Don't worry. We'll get that. Yeah. Big time monitoring the the Tyler O'Neill or the Oscar Hernandez. I mean, two guys who have been been linked by us to the Phillies over the years. So many times. And I mean, you put though you put one of those guys in the four spot, a real, real power threat, tank shots, man. Real power. Yeah. Te Oscar big playoff home runs this year. Clearing on home run moments on to big warm home run derby winner over. That's what matters. I'm happy you mentioned that. It's important stuff. Yeah, there are a lot of days. It's awesome. Oh, another like shut up, Dave. That's

not what anyone wants to hear. And oh my god, if he talks again about how expensive players were at the deadline, zero top 100 prospects got traded zero in all of baseball. It couldn't have been that expensive. I'm sorry. So either one of those guys batting clean up feels nice. Sure. Yeah, man. Tasker would cost more I think after the year clean up feels nice. Sure. How's that? Yeah, man, Teasca would cost more, I think, after the year, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Three years, though. Three years, sure, probably for both of them. Tyler O'Neil's younger, but his body hasn't held up. He is not proving that he could be an everyday player the same way Teasca is. And if you can go into a season, Martian Rojas is your center field thing, and then left field is one of those.

It's going to be the banks going to be dead next year. It's going to be like, oh, yeah, the Phillies. We said that last year. Yeah, we said it last year. We then they were the best human baseball for two months. It was like, hey, Phillies. But now we've seen that now they can't even do that to get us on board. And then they won the World Series in May Everything is great. I thought that the the the plan of painters gonna be really interesting to monitor

You know, he pushed the fall league on Saturday. That was exciting. That's good way to cope with losing the oh, yeah You were ready for that. Yeah, although I will say I was shocked How many people felt like they watched her found a way to watch her? We're talking about watching it like it really did feel like Philly's fans needed. Needed, needed. Now, if, if the Arizona fall league could grow up and get a camera that's behind the pitcher. So I feel like I can actually watch it.

Right. I hate watching live streams or any video of a behind the catcher. It's brutal. Like, come on, Arizona fall league. I need to see a real, I didn't know what it actually looks like. Yeah. So call by you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Let me throw some at you. OK. And then, hey, I'm going to throw something at you. Good. I like that. I wouldn't do it, but it was an interesting thought from one of our coworkers, not an on air person, but loves the Phillies, loves to talk to us about the Phillies. He said, make painter the closer. Yeah, he took that from me. He took the oh, that was from you. He stole that from you. All

right. Interesting thought though, with the idea of like, painters obviously getting on innings limit without a doubt 100% as he should be coming off Tommy John and all that, like the idea and stuff I'm breaking the studio. The idea that like make those innings matter. And you know, he can pitch in the post season with an innings limit as a closer. I don't think I would do it just because you know, he is such an important starting piece for you. But we have seen teams you I mean, Adam Wing, right? closed

one a World Series a closer and then became a great start over a long time. So it is doable. It's very old school. It's old school to put a great young as your closer. So it's interesting. I don't think they'll do it. I think they I think there's almost no chance what you have to because you have to get them ready to be a starter. I don't think they'll do it. I think they I think there's almost no chance Well, you have to because you have to get him ready to be a starter So I wonder if they and they're gonna need a fifth starter like use him as a starter give him some time off Bring him back as close or anything or I closer is actually

Pretty big leap. I would use him as a maybe a middle reliever as maybe like a big weapon in the postseason take down multiple innings What would what would happen in game four? Yeah, that would have been nice, but he's not gonna pitch more than multiple innings. What would have been nice to have him in game four? Yeah, that would have been nice. But he's not going to pitch more than 150 innings. 150? 125. Yeah, I was thinking like 110 was like the number I may have, but sure, he could pitch 120 maybe. And I'm not sure he's going to, I mean the way Braski talked yesterday,

he's like, I like what they did with Palski. You know, they keep him down in the minor leagues and then... Just till May and then you pitch them all year. So that was weird I don't know so I didn't understand that. Yeah, I mean you're wasting bullets and in AAA. Yeah, so It's gonna be interesting. I would try to keep him to the start because you wanted to be a starter long term, obviously And and then maybe working into more of a bullpen roll Second half and then it's like you really need to start. I don't know the painter thing is gonna be fascinating really interesting at least I want coming back for spring training they got a plan for him buddy

you plan got a plan a lot of heavy ball they got a lot of all right what are you throwing at me and now I was gonna bring up the closer thing oh really wait we threw the same thing in the odds of that man. What are the odds of that? Would we? I think that is crazy, right? Am I not? Am I nuts? Are we extending Schwerberg this all season? No. Come on, man.

I want him here, but like, I need people playing with their, you know, hair on fire. Yeah, I need a little bit of like, stakes for these guys. I would like a Schwerberg. It's fine. I'm, look, I don't want Schwerberg. fine. Not a lot of leave. Not a lot of leave. Interesting that Cassiano

dropped Boris. Very interesting. What does that tell you? So by the way, let's let's finish the sentence drop Boris and it's representing himself. Which is about as different. Exactly. As it gets easier after you've already made the hundred million dollars. Yeah, I can't. Yeah, I don't know what I don't know what it means. He seems happy here. Sure. So I mean, look, he's not here after two more years when we're done. So no, I don't know.

It was it just seems like a lot of players are not exactly thrilled. Yeah. Well, and look, we talked about last year, but Boris had a disastrous like that was the worst offseason last year's but Boris had a disastrous, like that was the worst off season last year. It's got Boris has ever had. I mean, he had two high profile guys who didn't get signed till late in spring trainings when the season started and Jordan Montgomery got demoted in Jordan, Montgomery, the Arizona owner came out and like said that was a disaster. I like won't do that. I hope he doesn't stay with us next year. Like I I don't ever remember an owner coming out and just crushing a player like that.

I mean, that's not fair. It happens, but that was pretty wild. How, how direct is his criticism was? Now, snow figured it out. Eventually snow snow was great. Yeah. Like snow was great, but it's just one of the one to file away with Castellanos and Boris.

I don't, I don't know if that means anything for this off season. You know, maybe he wants to, I don't know, find a new home. I don't know, he seems happy, but I guess we'll see. And then the final one is about as high ups as it gets, but I have to throw it out there. Second that these two got moved on from, I was like, hmm, we add them to the front office. Dude, Farhan's out there and Thad Levine's out there.

Yeah, I know, I know. Bring me one of them. I know. I mean, I am gonna be the Cardinals guy next year. Yeah. Bring me one of Thad Levine or Farhan's out there and Fadlavine's out there. Yeah, I know. Bring me one of them. I know. I am going to be the Cardinals guy next year. Yeah. Bring me one of Fadlavine or Farhan. I'm faring for Buster Posey, by the way. Yeah, I mean that's about as old school flyers as I get. Dude, what are you thinking out there, buddy?

We'll see. Yeah, we'll see. Farhan is a very smart baseball guy. On the margins type GM, can't land the big one and struggles to build like a big time winner. But when it comes to finding players in the margins, I think he's really, really good. Let's get our own Lamont Wade type guys.

You know what I'm saying? I mean, can we go find a freaking Lamont Wade? I would trade Tucker for Lamont. Me too. Sorry, buddy. Easily. See you later. Tucker, go to San Francisco.

Give me a 380 OBP left field type. I think it's standard at this point. Yeah. Would die. Would die for Lamont. You can have Juan Soto. I'll take Lamont Wade. Honestly, that might be the time. So great.

I would. You won't find me. You won't find me. You won't find a happier human. Jack will be in. Everyone might not be a business bank, but Jack will every single game. Watch a lot. Yeah. And left field. I'm not everyone would love you, man.

He would be everyone's favorite. Yeah, he'd be on Midnight. He's also like exactly what they need, like just a player. I hit her like they need guys are going to come in and work at that and take pictures and spray the ball of it. Like that's the funny thing about the Dodgers against Kodai Sanga. I know, I know, I know that's the funny thing about like the hit to all fields. It's like, yeah, yeah, like you're right. It's asinine to think they're going to be able to make this group do that fine I thought that maybe go out and got yes get guys who actually hit all fields Hey, you know what maybe don't double down the same player. They already have and trade for Austin Hayes. I would dude I

Know and people are like linking Cody Bellinger to them I'm like, are you out of your mind? Just like can you think of a worse player to add to this team thing? Go to freaking Belanger right now Lamont Wade Yeah, I know. All right. All right This team thing going freaking Melinda right now Lamont Wade. Yeah I know all right Sirianni after the game in the post game. I hold up. I did not expect you going sirianni. Thank you This is shocking. This is this is important because in the locker room Said 18 times

Humble interesting very humble when he was yelling at the fans. Yeah, great stuff. Yeah, I need Dave Dabrowski to look in the mirror Lamont Wade Wait, Lamont, wait, Lamont, wait He's him dude. I love this. I need if they get Lamont Wade perfect offseason book the world That was good, what a podcast what a pod I can't talk about it. I know. I know. I spewing for I feel better. I came in here to smile. That's right. You did. You did. You really were. You were you were ready for this. I really did think they were only win game four. I know.

I was not a lie. I wasn't doing it. No, I know you weren't. Now, to be fair, you did wake up the next morning and feel way worse about it. Yeah. Watch the highlight. Looks really like I watched it on TV. I'm like, yeah, that's what I did. But I really got to the post game show. It's a day when it tomorrow looked really good. And yet you know what? They could have won. Sure. If they have to be in the game. Yeah.

Or Zach Wheeler. I don't know what I thought. Yeah. Wheeler. I joke. Many people have said, but hey, it works. I'm happy. Wheeler is going to be rested for opening day.

Ready to roll. You only have so many two points. I'm going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be

the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the'm happy wheelers gonna be rested for opening day ready to roll You only have so many two point five era seasons from your Good times. They're fine. Ah, and they're gonna get travels. Oh Don't no stop it one rumor. Yeah, what was the trout and rondo and get both? Oh, yeah, you texted me that's off the air James. Yeah, so I know but and randone? Get both those. Oh, yeah. Text me that's off the air, James. Yeah. So I know, but it was a great line. What was it? Yeah, it is.

All right. And I don't want people to take this seriously. No, this is a joke. I know this is not like a tywanimus thing. Relax. There's an idea. But funny. I just imagine people with signs outside says this bank park, I was envisioning this

and it was just people saying, Turner and bone for trout, Turner and bone for trout and red zone. I mean, you take it, that's great. And I said, you found that the two people, the only two people I wouldn't trade, trade Turner for or chase Turner for. Turner and bone for trout and red zone.

Ah, come on. It is so catchy. You think I can start a movement? Yes. You think it has to be big? Yes, I think so. Anthony Rendon has Oh, come on. It is so catchy. You think I can start a movement? Yes. Yes, I think so. Anthony Rendon has played like five baseball games. Oh, dude. If Rendon came here and said, I actually hate playing baseball. I know. Would you imagine? Would you imagine? It would be incredible. The content would be through the roof. Through the roof. He was so great. What a bummer. Dude, Anthony Rendon is my favorite player.

And we loved him on that. We talked to him. Like what a great hitter he was. I'm a final thing here. I'm happy that Rob Thompson's back. I really am. Like I'm fine with it. I was getting really excited about our manager search. Yeah. I was ready to talk about like Ryan Huntley and Jason Veritek. And I, cause I wanted wanted if they do eventually I think I do think the younger guys it's becoming a younger guys thing well I think this team needs and if I had to diagnose what they need or could use is having an ex-player that's done it that's done it recently too like Stephen Vogt. I know and and someone that's done it recently that has

some cache to say this isn't this isn't good Yeah, this isn't good enough. Yeah, you can only let the guys just do what they want to do for so long before it's before it's oh Before they just get the bad habits So if they do eventually move on from Thompson, I think like the younger, you know, obviously everyone wants to catch her You know the guy that mmm AJ hinge is a great manager. He's a great man. What is it? So impressive and And obviously Stephen votes been and been really good. You know, I'm Brad Osmas. I know that, but like there's, there's a lot of, there's a lot of interesting candidates out there, you know, that.

Sort of got robbed about talking about, but I'm happy for Topper and hopefully. Hopefully you'll get a chance to talk about them at some point down the road. Sure. You think the city's more in on Sirianni or Topper? Topper, which let me tell you, that's not a it's not a huge endorsement of Topper. I mean, is any is there a single other than Elliott Shore Parks, is there a single Philadelphia who's in on Nick Sirianni right now? Ken Sinamensin.

You're right. But Ken's Ken's starting to bail a little bit more than he was before He called him a special coach yesterday. Did he yesterday? Yeah disagree. Yeah, and again, he wins That's his whole argument is he wins games. Yeah You love Nick though. You're a big Nick believer always have Always we know we're off the rails when we're talking next to your audience. Yeah, I gotta do that for four hours. Go get Lamont, Wayne. It was very simple.

Or Turner and Bone for Trout and Donut. Turner and Bone for Trout and Donut. Come on. He's written some songs. you