High Strange - Contact

Episode Date: April 20, 2023

The Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence can be dated all the way back to the late 1800s, but people have been asking if we are alone in the universe for much longer than that. John Shepherd bega...n his mission to "contact aliens" in the spring of 1972. Want more? Our High Strange music playlist is now available exclusively on Apple Music. Visit the link in our show notes or go to apple.co/highstrangeplaylist  To access our book list, go to apple.co/highstrangebooks  To find us in Apple Maps, go to apple.co/highstrangeguide For ad-free listening and bonus content, subscribe to Tenderfoot+ now! Members get all episodes ad-free plus bonus content throughout the season. Sign up at apple.co/highstrange. For Spotify, Google, and other Android users, visit tenderfootplus.com. Follow along on social and the web: @highstrange on Instagram @highstrange on TikTok highstrange.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:40 For all 10-or-foot-plus subscribers, you'll also get exclusive bonus episodes throughout the season. For more information, check also get exclusive bonus episodes throughout the season. For more information, check out the show notes. Enjoy the episode. The heart of Project Stratt is the broadcast operation. There are 60,000 volts running through his basement, powering a signal that's being straight out into space. The possibility that something out there might hear and perhaps respond, keeps John going. Send an hour signal, throwing out a lure,
Starting point is 00:01:18 trying to get some more information by luring the men close enough to get accurate electronic measurements. Contact is our local sheriff's department. He thinks I know the deputy. I showed him on the silkscope screen what was coming on. There shouldn't be that other frequency in there that's not part of it. Something caused that amount of energy. I think something was attracted.
Starting point is 00:01:56 Welcome to High Strange. There is nothing wrong with your television set. You are about to participate in a great adventure. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to the outer limits. The series of the outer limits back in 65, 67, the pilot episode called the Galaxy Being is the most incredible episode to spark your imagination. The guy worked at the radio station as a tech. There's a transmitter shed off back of the station. My name is Alan Maxwell. I am transmitting from a station on the third planet in the solar system.
Starting point is 00:02:53 He had a setup to send signals to the galaxy into deep space. I am scanning the microwaves coming from somewhere beyond the constellation of Pegasus. And you had this big glass chamber. You'd see these oscilloscope images and then you'd start to hear a voice come through. When it's beyond central system. It has ghostly being with spots all over it that would appear inside this glass chamber. You must explore, you must reach out. I thought, oh, on a great idea. This is the power of a radio station to reach out beyond the earth in the space to see if there's something out there. We now return control of your
Starting point is 00:03:38 television set to you until next week at the same time when the control voice will take you to Until next week at the same time when the control voice will take you to the outer limit. It was all science fiction at that point in time, but that really set my mind ablaze. I was working as a kid in a camera shop and they couldn't resist going to a military surplus places in Detroit and getting parts to build things. Learn how to circuits together and meters and get lights up flash and things like that. I'd love to have electronics. I'd love building big systems, making it all work, figuring out how to solve the technical problems to make these things work. What were you building? Did you know?
Starting point is 00:04:20 Were you just going to exploring or... Trying to duplicate that transmitter I think in my back of my mind, it wasn't long before I was building more sophisticated equipment. Machines could do something. Right around 73, a northern Michigan, there's starting to be UFO reports. All kinds of identified lights in the sky, objects, things coming down and hovering.
Starting point is 00:04:46 It was really weird. I got to see some of the sheriff's reports from the Antric County Sheriff's Department, and they were interesting. I heard a tape interview they did with a fellow. It was pretty intense. Then came down, hovered right over the roadway between Shandie Creek and Shishmown.
Starting point is 00:05:03 It caused his electrical systemized truck to fail. During that time, I started thinking more about building some equipment that could send signals out into space. It wasn't long before I built the first transmitter. It was a high-bully job put. It had a vertical direction, so it would point up into the sky, started in my bedroom and then it filled that floor of sailing, started building bigger equipment, much larger and much more power. It got pretty big.
Starting point is 00:05:37 400 pound transformers and big converters and Woldy regulators, two- store a high 150,000 volt banks of power amps to produce the power the frequency of audio to get a signal out for a greater distance. Throwing out a lure, sending out signal. Try and attract the intelligences behind these aerial craft. Trying to lure the man to get a closer look at them. That signal may be picked up.
Starting point is 00:06:08 There's a possibility that they could detect it. And that possibility is there, it's worth trying. Trying to get some more information by blurring the men close enough to get accurate electronic measurements. Some hard data, something on instruments. Data to learn. That's what Project Sterbos is about. Inspired by science fiction, John Sheper was determined to send a signal into the universe
Starting point is 00:06:37 and make contact with alien life. John showed me an old photo album of all of his enormous machines. You could tell the process he went through to build it all was truly a massive undertaking. Literally hundreds of switches, knobs and cables, different screens, measuring signals. It looked like a Steven Spielberg movie set, except it was all real. He named the Operation Project Strat, and when the neighbors caught wind of his colossal homemade laboratory, the local news did a spotlight piece on him. Everyone around him, like me today, was fascinated by it all. The heart of Project Strat is the broadcast operation. There are 60,000 votes running through his basement, powering a signal that's being
Starting point is 00:07:22 straight out into space. Every day, John beams two signals out into space, one a digital pulse-cooked, and the other a live radio show. Project Stratt, which stands for Special Delimitry Research and Tracking, which is an acronym for the technology and what we're trying to do. I took music and put it through huge power amps, very clean power amps that have a lot of power. Eight to 12 hours a day of music broadcasts sending out something of our culture to see if it would attract them closer to where I was doing this from. John's broadcast operation bore a striking resemblance to Nicola Tesla in 1896.
Starting point is 00:08:06 Tesla, one of history's most famous inventors, also where Elon got the name from, was doing his own high voltage experiments in the late 1800s. He made large power transmission towers that could produce artificial lightning and monitored signals in space. Tesla once wrote in his diary, quote, My first observations positively terrified me as there was present in them something mysterious. The feeling is constantly growing on me that I've been the first to hear the greeting from one planet to another. He firmly believed that he made contact of his own with something else out there in the universe. something else out there in the universe. In 1972, at the height of John's operation in rural Michigan, all of a sudden, there
Starting point is 00:08:49 was a series of strange sightings in the sky throughout the entire state. Reports repiling into local police departments of flying saucers. Simultaneously, John's machine began picking up frequencies that were not normal at all. They were getting reports at that time of objects in the area. Detected electromagnetic disturbances coming in over the power lines that were never there before. Contact is our local sheriff's department. They sent out a deputy. I showed him on the silkscope screen what was coming on. You have a 60-perts frequency there and then you have something like 120 fading in and fading out over the top of that. It
Starting point is 00:09:36 shouldn't be getting 120 170 hertz that strong when you're running a 60-hertz system. It shouldn't be that other frequency in there that's not part of it. It doesn't belong there, simple as that. Something had to cause it because it's normally not there. It just doesn't appear out of nowhere. So what theoretically could be causing that? The thing I thought it might have been was UFOs in the area of one or two old and whatever I don't know how many were there.
Starting point is 00:10:11 The magnetic fields emitted by these craft moving over power lines inducing that magnetic field and the instruments were breaking it up. Had to be something that caused that amount of energy. It was circumstantial. Sure, can't prove it, but it was occurring simultaneously with objects in the area, so I had two and two together, maybe a good four. I think something was attracted. Did John really attract some aliens that night?
Starting point is 00:10:47 Did he finally accomplish his goal? John himself seems to think so. Humans are great explorers. The curiosity. You want to explore. What's below the ocean? What's up in the sky? What's up at the top of that mountain over there?
Starting point is 00:11:06 You have to keep an open mind. We propagate, species propagate. Look at the earth. How many forms of life there are. It's infinite. That infinity in the size of the universe and the galaxies in it. And all the worlds that are in there, the possibility of life, some kind of life, is astronomical.
Starting point is 00:11:32 The possibility is there, keep an open mind here. If we think we're the only things in this whole huge galaxy or universe, or it's big waste of space, it would seem kind of strange. We can't be the only ones. And the more you search, you may end up with more questions and answers, but what answers you do get are going to open your horizons of knowledge. And knowledge is an important thing for us all. The whole time we were talking with John, we were surrounded by all kinds of fun synthesizers and different musical instruments.
Starting point is 00:12:14 So I asked if he could show us around a bit and maybe play something for us. It's amazing what you can do with synthesizers. It's all kinds of effects. Space music. The sounds seem to come from all around us in the room. That is a real dream machine for creating totally exotic sounds. When you want to go exotic, you'll work with one of those.
Starting point is 00:12:42 As I'm hearing this strange music, I can see shelves upon shelves of books about aliens. Old pictures of John and magazines, not to mention the speakers themselves, also looked like aliens. Soundcells is a name I gave them, but they're handmade and they're made with two by ten wood, but inside I put high power really good quality ten inch woofers. He played us some of his original music, which he has uploaded to Bandcamp. You can check it out yourself at johnscotchepard.bandcamp.com. I also put the link in the episode description.
Starting point is 00:13:18 Oh my husband's home. Hi, hi. Hey, I'm pained by the way. That's a big shot. I just love a funny ass. That's a big shot. I'm a bad, I think. I'm here. We's the best way to talk about fun. I think this is a sound band, I think, in here. Where are we here in NERD now, the over-music?
Starting point is 00:13:28 Oh, it's been so much fun, the whole thing. Unfortunately, for financial reasons, John eventually had to dismantle his operation, putting most of his old equipment in storage. But five years later, in 1977, someone else received the same puzzling frequencies that John did. The Ohio State University Radio Observatory, also known as Big Ear, received a strange signal of their own.
Starting point is 00:13:57 One day an astronomer was reviewing the computer printouts when they noticed a loud two-minute transmission that was extremely powerful, so powerful that he circled the readout in red pen and wrote, wow, and it's now known as the wow signal. Nice. Ohio State University ultimately determined the signal was not from a satellite. Any military craft, commercial aircraft, or broadcast stations, just a weird loud signal from deep space that remains unexplained to this day.
Starting point is 00:14:36 The UFO topic has clearly attracted a wide array of interesting people over the years. Because it sits right on the frames of real-world science in flat-out conspiracy theory, the range of eclectic characters you get with this subject is absolutely fascinating. After meeting with John Shepard, I felt compelled to go down this road a little further and explore the lives of other interesting people in this realm. Just how weird does it get? You guys tell me if it bites me, okay? That is a big ass alligator. And that is not a sound effect. The big alligators are dumb, but they're actually one of the smartest animals.
Starting point is 00:15:24 It's actually the same alligator from the Adam Sandler movie Happy Gilmore, the one that bit Chubs Handoff, or IP Chubs. You could actually come in here and pet him and he wouldn't mind. He remembers the days when I used to catch him to move him around, I haven't caught him in eight years, but he holds a grudge. You remember, he's holds a drive. Do you remember his stoker? He's a little boy. Yeah, he's a little boy.
Starting point is 00:15:48 He's a little boy. Yeah, he's a little boy. He has you on. If you were to drop me here randomly with no context, I would never in a million years think that I was here to talk about UFOs. We are in the Mystic San Luis Valley. This is Jay Young. The one who tricked me into getting way too close to that alligator. The San Luis Valley is 8,000 square miles, which is roughly the size of Massachusetts.
Starting point is 00:16:20 This place is known as Colorado Gators Reptile Park. It was begun in 1977 as a toopia farm by my parents, Irwin and Len Young. What makes it possible is access to geothermal water. We got some alligators to be garbage disposals for the fish in 1987. They got big people on the sea home. So now we're a tourist attraction that does animal education and will rescue. Surrounded by 14,000 foot peaks, it is the largest alpine valley in the world. education and and will rescue. It's surrounded by 14,000 foot peaks.
Starting point is 00:16:45 It is the largest Alpine Valley in the world. And it is now known as the Mystic San Luis Valley because it's a mystic place. I'm here in Southern Colorado because for literally thousands of years, there have been more reports of unidentified flying objects than almost any other place in the country. This valley has had so many sightings.
Starting point is 00:17:06 There's been books written about it and I've had half a dozen unexplained sightings or more of myself. All the experiences I've had have been different. Strange things happen and I can't explain them. For whatever reason, this seems to be a UFO hot spot. Maybe it's the good weed out here, or maybe the sky is just more open and you can actually see things. I was a big skeptic, I didn't believe much. It was always easily explained until I was about 25 years old. There was no earthly explanation for what we saw.
Starting point is 00:17:43 Cliff and I were driving to Alamosa from the alligator farm. Off to the west, over the San Juan Mountains there, we saw these strange silver objects. Giant silver needles floating in the sky. Parallel to each other, but not perpendicular to the earth. You can see right there, see those mountains? That peak is over 7,000 feet taller than where we are. These silver objects were almost as tall as the mountains. So they were about 5,000 feet tall.
Starting point is 00:18:15 And as the sun went down, they descended down. And they'd been made out of metal, they would have hit the mountain and stopped and fallen over or something like that. They just disappeared hit the mountain and stopped and fallen over or something like that. They just disappeared into the mountain. It was like some weird refraction of light to another dimension or something I don't know. I never even heard of anything like that before.
Starting point is 00:18:37 After that, I was more open to believing things and not being as much of a skeptic. It opened up the possibility that there's a lot out there that we don't understand. You just have to take it with a green assault. You weren't there, you didn't experience it. You might not believe me because you didn't see what I saw. I know what I saw. The older you get, the more you realize that you didn't know anything, and now you know
Starting point is 00:19:02 less than nothing. We know more about the surface of the moon than we do the bottom of the ocean. We're finding new species of animals all the time. We know so little about our own planet. It's just inconceivable to think that we know what's out there beyond our planet. It's just ludicrous to think that we're the only intelligent species in the universe that we even consider ourselves intelligent. I try to keep an open mind. I'm a skeptic. I guess even now.
Starting point is 00:19:41 But I know there's things I've seen that are not explainable through any conventional means most sightings are explainable but not all of them are This valley has had so many sightings Judy built a UFO watch tower here. The real reason I came all the way out to the Mystic Valley of Colorado is to visit their world-famous UFO watch tower.
Starting point is 00:20:20 This is the UFO Watch Tower. About a five-minute drive down the street is a metal two-story structure made simply for viewing the sky. The Watch Tower has a complete 360 view of the valley. If you've followed my other podcast, you might remember I came here for a brief moment in 2019 during up in Venice season 2. Crystal Anne Reisinger went missing from the small town of Crestone about 15 minutes from here. We've had sightings during the day as well as at night, everybody thinks it has to be at night, and it doesn't.
Starting point is 00:20:56 If you look up, you're going to see something bizarre. It's just that simple. My name is Judy Messinline. I moved to the Valley to race cattle and horses, but from the time we had moved here, all we heard were UFO stories from the locals. They've had documented sightings in this valley since the 1500s. One of the farmers was in one day and he said, You know what Judy, you need to put up that UFO watch tower you've giggled about, you'd have fun. Well, I've had 22 years worth of fun. I mean, it is fun.
Starting point is 00:21:40 The size of the sky compared to the watch tower in this valley, surrounded by 14,000 foot mountains, really puts in perspective how small we are. The best idea I had in this world was putting this up, because I've gotten to meet so many neat people, and most of the folks who come in here are open-minded. Can you recall your first UFO sight? Yes. It was between here and the mountains and partway down. I called a cigar-shaped. It was narrow and really long and it went zip like that.
Starting point is 00:22:19 That was 11 o'clock at night. We had over a dozen people here. Everybody saw it. What was it? That's what we keep saying. What the heck was it? I myself have seen 30. There's some people, you know, that are really skeptical. I don't blame them. I mean, unless you've seen something yourself, it's hard to believe that something is going
Starting point is 00:22:44 on. There's people who think that we are it. Well, if we are, that's a sad state of affairs. We can't just be it. There has to be life someplace else. It says in the Bible that God made the heavens and the earth. Well, if He made us, He definitely made them. After having this open for a month, and hardly anybody came, and I'd done over 250 radio interviews before opening, expecting the cars to be lined up to come in here well they weren't. So I got out front here one day and I just yelled alright you guys this was your big idea
Starting point is 00:23:32 I need help I need at least a hundred dollars a day from that day forward I did a hundred a day. When the psychic started coming, they said that we needed to put in a garden for a place for people to go sit, relax and meditate. Then folks started heading to it. And now we've got thousands of things out there. So what kinds of things do people leave in this garden? Whatever is in their car, I can't believe what people pull out of their cars.
Starting point is 00:24:15 Like that stove door from a, you see it there, it's an antique off of a wood burning stove. You know, there's stories with some of this stuff. Some young people who came in and said, our mother totally believed in UFOs and aliens. She was killed in a motorcycle accident. We're leaving a motorcycle helmet in the garden. I've got another guy he was in yesterday or day before anyway he left the ashes from his dog.
Starting point is 00:24:47 Lots of folks come and leave ashes from their loved ones. There's been so many people who have benefited from this garden, and I have people who come just to ask for help here. There was a fella that I knew over in Colorado Springs. He called me and he said, do you remember this Hispanic lady coming there? With her family, I remembered they helped her get out of the car. She got hard leave and walk and they took her out here and put her on the bench over here and they were there for a long time and it was like they were praying, you know?
Starting point is 00:25:28 And he said, well, she swears to God that your garden healed her cancer. And I said, how will you praise the Lord? Because I certainly hope that's what happened. People believe in this garden. They really do and they most of them take it serious, you know? Which is good. I'm glad. The extraterrestrials as a whole have some healing powers. If people would just open themselves up with love, they'd find out. Love is the whole key. And when you see a UFO, you should send love and light to them to let them know that they are welcome. They say that it's a portal to a parallel universe.
Starting point is 00:26:18 And it's full of energy and these are energy vortexes. We've got two of them out front here. So if you need any type of help in your life, you're to go in the garden and ask for it. The psychiques have told me that the pladians are here to protect the entrances to the vortexes. The pladians they'll help. And they're extraterrestrial. their extraterrestrial. And they say that this whole place here is protected by the pletians. I believe that. I totally believe it because we haven't had anything really bad happen here. I've had some statues stolen, but that's kids. So I'm very grateful. I'm very grateful. very grateful. I'm very grateful.
Starting point is 00:27:06 Have you ever seen an alien? No, just in my head. I kind of picture what they look like. You know, I do believe that they are here. I really do. And we can't see them. They're in another dimension. But I feel that they are here protecting. Good. I need protection. So I wanted to walk into the garden today and ask for some sort of healing. How would I do that? You just go in there and ask. It's just that simple. go in there and ask. It's just that simple. Alright, let's see what this garden can do. People leave things out here to get their energy here as well,
Starting point is 00:27:54 because they are energy vortexes. I even have folks who come and lay down in the garden to soak up the energy. And it's funny in one area, over here when you lay down, it feels like you're getting pulled down. Kind of crazy. It's right over here. That's where the compass goes nuts. You can stand here, and the compass says
Starting point is 00:28:19 that North as we're North is supposed to be and you move over there and North Gozeeest. I regret to admit that unfortunately, I do not own a compass, but my iPhone has one. Maybe it's not the most scientifically accurate way to measure this, but let's just entertain it for a second. Okay, compass app is open. It looks like this is North, which seems to be correct. I pulled out the compass app, I was walking over here. ab, still, and turned slowly until it locked into north.
Starting point is 00:28:51 As I crept forward in a straight line, keeping the compass aligned with north, the arrow would start spinning around. North is like shifting. I reset and did it several times until I found the precise point where it seemed to all go haywire. I've not moved my phone at all and it's saying North is this way. For whatever reason, when you step into this specific spot, it would start spinning around. It's right in here.
Starting point is 00:29:19 Weird. I'll be honest, I have no clue what this means. But it was a fun little experiment. There's just this range of attitudes towards this. I think you're going to always have that. I think there are people that will never believe it because they don't want to believe it, no matter what you tell them. Here's investigative journalist Leslie Cain. There's all kinds of reasons that people will not believe it, and then there's all these
Starting point is 00:30:02 true believers who have been believing things for 70 years that we have no way of proving. Just absolute true believers on the opposite side of the spectrum, we just wanna believe everything. Be nice if there was this sort of steady center, which we have more of now than we did before 2017 for sure. And I think the more that comes out, the more people will be drawn to that,
Starting point is 00:30:23 because they'll be willing to accept official scientific data. There are plenty of people that don't. I mean, there are people that don't accept data such as who won the election, you know. People can just choose what they want to believe and don't believe. I'm not a psychologist, but I think fear, perhaps, if they're really, really frightened of what this might mean. It's too much of a threat to their psychology or their religion or their way of looking at the world. Probably that's what underlies it all. It's some kind of fear of it. People's belief systems, their whole identity is tied up with their belief system.
Starting point is 00:31:01 In a world already so polarized, how is anyone going to be convinced what's true and what's not anymore? And I mean seriously, what does it actually take? A part of me honestly feels like at this point, an actual literal alien spaceship could land on the White House lawn, little green men stepping out and shaking their president's hand on live national television, and that still wouldn't do it for some people. And I'm not even saying they're wrong in thinking that way. President's hand on live national television, and that still wouldn't do it for some people. And I'm not even saying they're wrong
Starting point is 00:31:26 in thinking that way. That would be a little suspicious. But my point is, even if something that insane happened, as a society, we'd probably still be split on it. Those who believe that what they're seeing is real and true, and those who think it's all part of some bigger conspiracy. For some of us out there, even when shown the evidence of anything, it still isn't enough. The only way to really convince anybody of anything in 2023 is to experience something
Starting point is 00:31:54 first-hand yourself. People have belief systems when it comes to UFOs. Here's Politico Journalist Brian Bender. Very difficult to change their minds. I found that one I went to Roswell. I'd never been to Roswell. It's like going to a religious festival. It's not religion in the way we think.
Starting point is 00:32:16 The people innately believe certain things. And no matter how much you say, well, hey, what about this? Keep an open mind. It's like, now, well, the government has alien bodies and they're in 51, and you can't tell me otherwise. Humans are innately curious about the world around us. I mean, we've been exploring our own planet pretty much since the beginning.
Starting point is 00:32:35 It's only natural that we started thinking about, well, what else is out there? It's our DNA. Is that thing that we see at the night that we can't explain maybe from some other place. And I think our popular culture reflects our DNA but then also takes it up a level. A lot of us are conditioned to believe things that aren't really objectively provable. Yet we believe them anyway but that's true of religion too right?
Starting point is 00:33:01 I mean a lot of people are religious and they believe in things that you can't see your feel or understand necessarily. This problem that I think exists in the world but it exists in the UFO world even more which is for lack of a better term charlatans who purposely put out misleading fake stuff. Just to get a rise, just to get clicks. Oh I remember just out to sort of make a buck and they don't really care about the facts. What's true? That just makes it all that much harder for the people that really want to try and get some answers. What is the good case? What is not?
Starting point is 00:33:35 What's made up? What's maybe half true, but the other half is kind of taken on a life of a tone. The topic of UFOs is so nuanced. Today more so than ever. We have the tendency to boil it down to something so black and white, I believe or I don't believe. And until any of us have an experience of our own, that challenges what we know, understand or believe in, it's going to be hard for a lot of us to get there. Trying to siphon the credible stories from the deep muddy waters of the UFO subject is incredibly
Starting point is 00:34:07 hard. And trust me, I've been doing it myself now for over a year, and it hasn't gotten any easier. You don't have to go far on the internet to find people who claim they've seen aliens up close in person. In the sky, or on the side of the road, usually at night in a grainy flip phone video, even though it's 2023. And it would be stupid to just blindly believe everything you see and read all the time,
Starting point is 00:34:31 right? But for the ones that have the most evidence of something truly strange happening, accounts from otherwise seemingly ordinary people, you can't just immediately shoot those down either. For me, one of the general rules of thumb is the amount of people who saw it. Who weren't on drugs leaving a grateful debt concert, a large group of people who actually saw the same exact thing. As a journalist, to me that's a story, it's something to investigate.
Starting point is 00:34:58 Do their eyewitness accounts add up? Is the timing the same? Do they have physical proof of what they saw? Imagine a valley full of people, all seeing a huge spacecraft flying over Phoenix, Arizona. Their phones and cameras all capturing the same thing. A bright colossal craft just floating there in the sky. Sometimes fact is stranger than fiction. The Phoenix Lights.
Starting point is 00:35:25 This is 1997. Over the course of much of a day, thousands and thousands of people claim to have seen the same thing. Witnesses first spotted the craft in Nevada at 7.55 pm that night. Then 20 minutes later, a former police officer reported seeing it over 200 miles southeast. And from there, the calls around Phoenix started rolling in. A lot of the testimony is similar
Starting point is 00:35:54 at very dark triangular shaped craft with lights along it. Very large, totally quiet. Made no noise and no seeming engines or propulsion system. The governor of Arizona sought and was willing to talk about it. The governor of Arizona held a press conference about it. He actually brought out one of his aides in an alien costume, making light of the situation. But a decade later, even he said on CNN, that he actually believes it was, quote, some form of alien spacecraft. Something strange happened in the skies over Arizona that still hasn't been fully explained,
Starting point is 00:36:32 and in reality, we may never know exactly what happened that night. America's West pilots flying into Phoenix Airport, man, that thing is huge, what the hell is that? I can land on it. There's these lights, six lights, and the shape of a triangle right over the airport. The actor Kurt Russell. According to him, he was about a half mile from landing his plane when his son asked him
Starting point is 00:36:55 what these strange lights were in the sky. Russell looked over and saw six bright lights in a V-shape, coming his direction. He called the tower to report it, and they responded saying they saw nothing on their radar. Evidence is not proof, right? It's just more data, it's more facts. But I think the more they pile up and the more they match, I think the question of evidence is that the heart of all of this. Audio, video, talking about it in national security terms, not talking about
Starting point is 00:37:27 it in science fiction terms. As a journalist, I'm always interested in what did they say the day they saw it? One of the most credible accounts of a UFO sighting I've found actually happened in more recent history. This particular incident was recorded live as it was happening. In December of 1994, the accounts of dozens of witnesses, most of which police officers, were captured on tape at the 911 Dispatch Center in Trumble County, Ohio. Through FOIA requests, I've been able to obtain the actual tape
Starting point is 00:38:11 from that night. I'm going to dispatch me help you. You see this? I've got a first-use new role mask. I can just can't quite make it as an oculate. It's a pain down the dip-d diff over with a big glowingly object. Roy Anne Randolph was working as the 911 dispatcher that night. I started getting a couple phone calls about people who were seeing a light in the sky. Then the calls became more and more frequent.
Starting point is 00:38:38 For hours, she was building chaotic calls from residents and police officers throughout the entire county. I can see a red glow up in the sky with the huge. We're about 10 under people, only we're here just wearing up and down a hot UFO. You can see a pretty big hot sauce, but there's 10 minutes that I'd want to do this. There haven't gone any do-its since I've had a wanted it. It's good 10 minutes. And all of a sudden, other police units in the general vicinity start seeing it. Well, we're all watching the right for this big field? Your state is turning the field? So what did you really think it was? I don't know. I didn't hear anybody came across
Starting point is 00:39:32 but whatever it is, it's big. I could see it coming up. I said to have an alien inside. I could see some lights off in that area. These are seasoned police officers, 15-year officers, people who have great credibility and now they're seeing some things. I would like to think it could have been something from the air base.
Starting point is 00:39:52 Do you know if anything that should be in our airspace at the time or close to the ground? The Fred's belt is 9. It goes 50 miles. I am. There are young guys. There's got something up there. Oh, it's set. I don't want to start pretty to realize what I'm doing. A diameter of young time, there's nothing out there. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 00:40:05 I don't want to start bringing through my sonoscilers. I can't quite lay it out. His shape is color, some white, the red, the green. Oh, those are colors of plants. What the fuck is that it has not moved? One officer in particular was dispatched to be first on the scene. As I was in route, five or six calls start coming in by the huge light in the sky. I was at a stop sign.
Starting point is 00:40:33 A big beam of light came upon my vehicle. All at once my car shut off. My computer, my radio, I saw a huge light in the sky, just hit my car. I had no idea what it was. I slammed my car in park, got out of the car. There was no sound. I couldn't hear anything. They let this whole street up. Just hovering there, no sound. Oh, I gotta go back to the client room. I'll tell you this. I'll be able to find the client hall. Please, are you ready for this shit?
Starting point is 00:41:22 Prepare for the speed. For the space you know, I'm space cadet. and all, please, are you ready for this shit? I've been going to see you cause I'm cool right? She knows she was over she didn't pay another She's been talking to you, she's paying the best of her She's a little bird tea, she's a sleeper She's a hot top, turn the bird right in anywhere We ain't got to bend down to say no perpella We spent a dime, cop and go to swather She says, you're dripping, you're not gonna help her You're a boom now that guys we are not a double
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