Hollywood Handbook - Andrew Michaan, Our Podcast But Outside Friend

Episode Date: January 7, 2025

The Boys talk to ANDREW MICHAAN about his show Podcast But Outside. Get a Hat Pack Hat here!Watch the video of today’s episode at Patreon.com/HollywoodHandbook Like the show? Rate Hollywood Handbook 5-Stars on Apple PodcastsAdvertise on Hollywood Handbook via Gumball.fm See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a headgum podcast. Is it just me? I'm sure it's not. Eight billion people in the world. And you think it might be just you? Yeah, that's what I used to think. I know that our modern culture can feel so isolating and so... It otherizes us.

And I know it's seen that way for a lot of people. And everyone wants you to feel like a freak. And for a lot of people that is the case, but sometimes I am just coming up with with shit that like, it honestly does feel like it was just me that like, that thought of that. Okay, okay. I mean, most experiences I feel like someone else has some version of it, but yeah. I know, and I agree that that is true for pretty much everyone except me.

And what I was- Okay, well what is the thing that you think might be just you? To me this year? What I, like, what I, what, Santa balled this year. Okay. Santa showed up and did the damn thing.

Go off. Mortar and pestle twin? Uh-huh. Mortar and pestle for me? To moosh my food? Okay, this guy is grinding up granola. My food was hard! My food's so easy now, Twin.

Hamburger meat. Yes! Oh. Dude, yes. My meat is so mushy. He's smushing it up. And so now I'm realizing, yes, that is just you, but we're all reaping the benefit. Have you been, we've got a guy here.

Have you been to Hayes' house for lunch lately? Bring a straw. The food is silken. I'm telling you, the amount of mushing this man is doing with all the different ingredients. You've had silken tofu. Was I tasting a hint of spice in there as well? So that, like.

Chef Hayes. Kevin, give him your apron, give him your hat. It's Chef Hayes. You tried this. I think, to me that was, I think it was maybe a used, at least the pestle. The pestle was very stinky of spice with it when it came in.

Very spicy pestle. But just a tad, just a touch of spice. And I'm tasting it as well when I'm eating it and I'm saying, this is interesting with the granola and the hamburger meat and some sort of milk, all of it together was really making me feel like, wow, this is a Chef Hayes. Andrew is the man who's here.

Have you had the food at all? Well, I've never, you said I haven't been there lately. I haven't been there once to compare. Never been to my house. I haven't been there yet. You haven't been there once to compare. Never been to my house. I haven't been there yet. You gotta go to my house, Twin. No. Twin, you must not hit my house.

I must say I never really knew that was an option for me. Okay. You gotta go. Because people are going. People are going. I'm hearing all these people like, oh damn. You have to try this, cousin. You must.

Sure, and so what? Eat it this cousin. You must. Sure. And so what- Eat it cousin. So it's definitely changed the way that you cook, but you're saying. Let him cook. Okay. I'm in there.

I mean, I didn't really understand what grindset was about until I got my hands on- He actually has a set of grinding tools. Yeah. Eat it cousin. And did you know you wanted this or this was a surprise that this? Santa.

Santa. Santa knows us. Did you ask for it? So I actually said at the beginning, I don't know if you heard it, like Santa balled this year. Yeah, I heard that and I honestly didn't know that that was a good thing or a bad thing.

Santa was ballin' dude. Santa balled out this year. Okay. And let Santa cook. Right, but he's letting you cook though. Santa helped him cook. Santa cooked, we all cooked. Cook recognized cook in a way.

Yeah, he was helping me in a way, not even really in a way, I think that was actually wrong that you said that. Oh, just period. Dude. Yeah. Andrew. He was dropping fire.

Hey, how's it going? Andrew, hey, let me get this out of the way. Are you okay doing this inside? Right, I do a podcast outside. It's a little different. Oh, the sky is very low today. Right, and it's a little warmer and different. Sun's really close. Yeah, what is this strange sun?

Yeah, I normally do a podcast outside, but I have done some inside and I'm okay with it. What is this freaky tree, it's Kevin. Right, yeah. It's a little different. You think Kevin's a freaky tree? Look at this big pile of squirrels, that's Kevin too. Oh, which is a normal thing I see outside for Kevin as well. So it's a freaky tree. Look at this big pile of squirrels that's Kevin too.

Oh, which is a normal thing I see outside pretty often as well. So it's good to kind of adjust. But no, but my podcast is interviewing strangers and I don't know you guys, so this is at home and away. Right? Right. And so the recipe would seem to be there for us to have did it, but you just laid it out,

which makes me so fucked up because I'm like He must not he must think we already knew each other or something and that's why I never To because and they just well I actually know what can I actually be a little fucked up? Okay, I'll do mine first looking at the time on the clock well Yeah, we're gonna do that already. You wanna hang on? No, no, no, I was looking for the squirrels. You wanna save it?

Okay. No, I was just kinda taking in the environment. But no, the reason why I'm a little fucked up is, cause actually I feel like you guys pulled the power move on me in a way, and maybe not intentionally. I'm doing that. Because I actually reached out about you guys

doing my podcast and then the next day I get an email saying no actually you're gonna do ours. Which was interesting. Yeah. Okay. And I'm sure it's just cause someone dropped out last minute but I was thinking like hmm. Let me reassure you. Should I pretend that that's true?

Wait, wait, wait let's decide, let's decide, let's decide. Okay, let's go over it. Kevin, wait, let's decide, let's decide. Let's decide. Okay, let's go over it. Kevin, so actually, let's bring Kevin in on it. So Kevin, we on, was it Saturday or Sunday, we kind of made the schedule for the week. Okay. And one thing we settled on was on Friday at 9.30, we were going to have a show with a guest.

So we may not include this in the episode, but on Friday at 9.30, we're gonna have a show with a guest. So we may not include this in the episode, but on Friday night, they were gonna have a show on a guest. So on Thursday at like 2 p.m., Kevin's like, can I ask this guy? And I'm like, so it's been four or five days. And we're getting floated out the option to ask. So I did feel a little bit pinned. You know, just in terms of like,

I really didn't want to reject that idea because I go, I don't know where we go from here. We're already on short notice. I don't know if this is you just guessing, but if the 2 p.m. thing is accurate, I was basically already confirmed by then. So that's a little interesting that it was just an option. That's a move I do. That's a little insider move.

Yeah, because I was, yeah. So that's interesting. It's like you have a power move triangle. Right, I don't know who's in control. And I'm somewhere looking at the triangle. Okay. Mm-hmm. I'm Phil Jackson.

Kevin is very protective. Of Phil Jackson now. Of his. Not when he was running it. The control, the power. The special holiday, his special Christmas. There's really only one explanation for how much Kevin is just not anymore during the holiday.

Oh, he doesn't, he's not around. Which is that Kevin is Santa. I've been. I was thinking that as well. Kevin balled this year. Yes. Right, and so, do you think he tasted some of your food at your lunch and thought it was too hard?

And this is actually more to help his own kind of palate? Cause that's the thing, I've been wondering if it was like an Instagram thing where like, how does it know that my food is so hard? Right. Crispy. Yes, which like, I never talk about it, but I think you can hear it when I'm eating it.

You're often posting stuff of you eating, or no, Instagram's lying on you. No, just like around my phone. Sorry, yeah. And you know how sometimes you film yourself doing something to be like, is this right? You know, just to be like, does this look normal? What don't know. I don't know, I don't know. I don't know, I don't know. I don't know, I don't know. I don't know, I don't know. I don't know, I don't know.

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Wow, I haven't noticed that before. We do have ads to do. Okay, sorry. So we would normally be able to see ourselves. Or no, it's just playing the sports or something. Just in the black mirror. Just in the black mirror. Oh, oh, oh, reflection, okay.

The screen. The black mirror, mate. Yeah, Hazard food was definitely too loud. It, so. Mirrors are supposed to be silver color. This one's black. So, let's unpack this character because I do think it's ready.

There's my idea. You've seen a mirror before. You look at it and it's you're brushing your teeth, how are you? You're brushing your teeth in there, swig some water, mix it around, spit it out. Suddenly the mirror has a video on it. I didn't think you'd know that word. It's black. Well, that must've been the black mirror guy. I'm like at some point it must have been.

Yeah. Right? Me mirror send to me. Texted messages. Right? Right? He's realizing. It must have been.

Right. Do you not agree with that? No, I do. You're saying yes, but you're kind of acting like you don't agree. You're so removed from this. I'm trying to understand. I guess he was brushing his teeth in his TV or his phone.

Well, it's like a normal mirror is like where you brush your teeth. It's like silver, a mirror is like normally silver when you brush your teeth. I know, I'm trying to understand if his, this normal silver mirror changed or if he was the whole time brushing his teeth in what he thought was his mirror, but it was his phone. It was a TV or a phone.

Yeah, it was like a big, there's a video on it, so it was a TV or a phone or something. Yeah, it might've been like a tablet. Yeah, it was like a big, there was a video one, so it was a TV or a phone or something. Yeah, it might have been a tablet. Yeah. They all have video. I'd like to think of it as a tablet for the purposes of this. So you were like boys with a mirror,

like what's it like, cause you're a head gum now. And so you were like boys with a mirror, like what's up? It was like a mirror, your boy, like you guys are boys. Your boys with him? Oh, oh, oh. You came up together, like you and a mirror like a mirror your boy like you guys are boys with him Like you and a mirror like that really can use me because we're talking about mirror And then you said a mirror and I thought you said a mirror. Yeah, I'm boys with him

So like when I like I know when I'm saying him yeah, and I'm saying like something else Like yeah, I would say I know him about as, I would say I know him a little better than I know you two. Okay. Well, I want to come back to something from before actually. So you said that your show is talking to a stranger and then you said, and I don't know you guys. Yeah.

So I want to let you in on a little secret. Okay. None of us know anybody. We don't really know. Do we know ourselves? We don't really know what's going on inside each other's heads. You cannot fully know someone and you know we make a leap of faith right? We trust each other. We start a podcast together. We invite into our studio someone. Yeah, thank you. You know?

Yeah. We bring on a producer of sorts. Yeah. Do we know ourselves? You say like, yes, obviously, because like that's me. Yeah. I mean, so like.

I do know me. Well, and I have a mirror for that. Yeah, that's right. I can use the mirror. And I know stuff that you like, you know, first like I'm itchy, you don't know that. Right. But I do. I have a secret. I'm telling you, which is like, I am itch. Yeah, you know, first like I'm itchy you don't know that right, but I do I'm telling you Which is like I am it. Yeah. Thanks for letting me in on I know why I am this way as well

I'm not gonna tell you why I am and this but there's a good reason. Yeah, so my fault, right? Yeah, so again, I've only I've only met him here once but he was maybe a little easier to get to know So that's why you don't have one in your bathroom or something? Hold on, hold on. This is fucking me up. A mirror is easier to get to know than me. Now I'm not an easy man to get to know. I'm just saying, I've had about the same amount of time,

but it allowed for more depth or something. I guess what I'd say with the mirror is still waters run shallow in this one particular instance. I don't think there's a lot, I still don't think there's a lot going on underneath there. Oh, so it's easy to get to know the whole picture quickly. I, yeah. So you were boys with him after only that one time?

No, no, I never claimed to be boys with him. Okay. Yeah. I just, I mean, yeah. I mean, if we're comparing things. So I guess he saw something where he is thinking that he's gonna be boys with you at some point. Because that is like. I don't think so.

He must have somehow, there's some spark, some glimmer where he senses down the road that you two could be great boys. Because he apparently is bringing you on. Do you know his story? His story? Yeah. I mean, I know about some of the stuff

he's done in the past. His background is actually kind of fucking hidden. It's like to me, I'm boys with him obviously, but he's also like inspiration to me because he used to work at a company. He grew up working at a company in a capacity that was like more employment and he has actually, and he's one of my boys,

I can say this, he has transcended that. And obviously for me and him as boys, we're peers. But I do look up to him actually as a hero and as an icon, as something to aspire to because I work at his company right now and I don't want to. And you're even further down the company than me. Sure, I'm very new, very new here. And you're not further down the company than me. Sure, yeah, I'm very new, very new here, yeah.

And you're not even really boys with it. No, nor do I expect to be. Yeah, well, with that attitude, you might be. That's what attracts him. Okay, yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't think we'll ever talk. And so you do the show like every day? No, we definitely don't. I do ever talk. And so you do the show like every day? No, we definitely don't. I do a podcast less frequently than you.

We used to do it once a week, but it's an incredible amount of work. What's crazy about that to me is like, the podcast is an incredible amount of work? It ends up being a lot more work than you would think. That to me is so stupid because you like, outside is almost everything. Sure, there's a lot out there.

We only do it in here and in this one other little room. And that's almost nowhere, like compared to everywhere else. It's barely anywhere at all. Right, so doesn't that seem less work then? Cause everything's contained? No, because we have to come to the one place. We can't do it somewhere else.

There's barely anywhere that we do this. It's like two tiny, tiny little places. So you got it dialed in. Outside is so fucking huge. It's so hard to be here. And it's hard, exactly. There's other people in here sometimes. What the fuck are you talking about?

No, buddy, you could literally walk out the door and you're doing your podcast. You could do it all the way down the street, all the way home and you'd be doing your podcast. I don't have that kind of freedom. That's why what you're saying is so stupid to me. You have like everywhere to do it for free. We have just this tiny, one tiny place

that we have to like go. It costs like a billion bucks or something, apparently, according to what Hedgum takes out of my paycheck every month. Right. All the overhead fees or whatever. I mean, I have to pay that too for our podcast, but I don't get to use this space

because it doesn't work for me. That's your choice. Well, yeah. That's your choice. I'm just saying, I wish I could. It's like crack a window. I wish I could do what you guys do, but in terms of the ease.

But yeah, it's just, I gotta put chairs in my car, I gotta put a table in my car. I wish I could do what you guys do. Well, I wish there was a way we could figure this out. Yeah. What does it? Yeah, and then- You can put the chairs in your car?

Yeah, well, that's actually more editing. Man, imagine your neighbor sees that, oh shit. Yeah. Uh-oh. Yeah, and then there's a lot of editing. Oh, he's back on his bullshit. Oh no. Honey, get over here.

Yeah. Look through these. Oh no, you moved the focus. Here, let me straighten it out a little bit. So we do it twice a month because of the amount of work it takes. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, just ends up being a little too much. I also don't, you know, I have to do all the video editing. I mean, we have an editor, but I have to do a lot of editing and uploading and all that. Is you and Amir does it? No, we're not really like that. It's me and my friend Cam is the editor.

Okay. Oh, sorry. And this is just like for everyone? Cam is taking the video. Right, no, his name is Cameron, if that helps you. He's Cameron? Cameron. See, that didn't help if you have any. Right, no, his name is Cameron if that helps you. He's Cameron? Okay, see, that didn't help, I get it. Yeah, he's just a guy and his name sounds similar to Cameron.

Wow, I would never say that about you, man. I hate to be. Well, he's my boy, okay, he's my boy. They asked who's doing the show with me and I go, he's just a guy? I go, no, he's actually like, he's him. He is him. Hims Davenport. Just for like, and this is kind of for everyone.

We can use hims, we do ads for them. This is not a shot at you, this is like not targeting you. When you say, like, when people say we, I'm like, who is this? Like, who are you talking about? This happens to me so much. It could be, is it everyone in the world? Did you and everyone in the world do something?

Was it you and me? Did I do something with you I didn't even know about? I don't think that necessarily, but this is what's so confusing, is I go, oh, this person's got a huge family and they do everything together. I actually think in this instance. So I'm like, your mom and dad

and all your brothers and sisters and little nieces and nephews did this with you? And now I'm finding connection with you because my family is the most important thing in my life. And his and me are boys with all of the family. They're all different heights. Well, my podcast is Me and Strangers, so in a way, it is actually me and everyone in the world. Mine is Me and Strangers. And with all of the family? They're all different heights. Well, my podcast is Me and Strangers, so in a way, it is actually me and everyone in the world.

Mine is Me and Strangers. And it kind of fits. When I say we, I actually am referring to humanity. This is again, like, this is why what you said about the podcast being work is so stupid to me. Well, so. Is that like, you literally don't need to book a guest or anything, which we only get one person for any episode.

And if it's not a great person for the show, then like good luck because you have nothing then. But you actually have the whole world and everything out there. And you're doing great, sweetie. Well, thanks. Actually sitting down and doing the show, that's easy. I'm saying everything else is hard.

The editing and all that stuff is annoying. That shit sucks, yeah. Yeah, and you guys don't have to do that, right? I don't have to do anything. Do you do it? I don't have to do anything. Right, I guess that's true. We kinda edit, we're like editing it as we go. Your brain is good.

We are doing it right now. Okay. People talk about like editing in camera or whatever, but we edit in couch, you know what I mean? So you aren't picking up on it, but we're splicing. We're giving subtle cues that allow for the editing to just happen naturally. Yeah, there's a language you guys are speaking

that I clearly don't. Yeah, it's happened. When we're done, it's in the can here when the light goes off. Okay. Like, that's happened like, when we're done, it's in the can here, when the light goes off. Okay. Like, it's, that's final. So if you're making weird faces and stuff, that's all part of the language of?

Okay, yeah. Cool. Great. Yeah, I hope to learn. So what's next? I mean, it's early in the new year, like what's next for the podcast in terms of what part of outside are you gonna go to?

What street are you excited to talk to? Did you ever do it at a naked beach? We've done it at a beach a couple times. No one was naked. It would be good to do it at a nude beach. But we'd have to blur and it might be kind of complicated. Kind of an uptight beach. Yeah, we've done it at like, yeah, kind of a

not very progressive beach. Okay. Okay. And that's you or that's Cam that was corny enough to be like uptight about it. Well, no, it was just the beach itself with people wearing clothes. I guess you're doing it with your whole family, your big family.

You don't want to necessarily want to be in front of grandma on the nude beach. I mean, I don't know where I would go to find a nude beach. I've only heard of one in San Diego. Yeah. So I don't want be in front of grandma on the nude beach. I mean, I don't know where I would go to find a nude beach. I've only heard of one in San Diego. Yeah. So I don't wanna go that far. Okay. Because that would make my incredibly hard job

actually harder. Yeah. But what's new with the podcast. You might get sunburn on it. Yeah, yeah. New guests, you know, I'd love to have you guys on, you know, I mean, that's already been expressed. So this invite never made its way to us.

Well, it's quite new. I I mean this all happened really fast. It's so new, yeah it was only. Yeah it was only a few days ago. I mean you could check in about us with anyone. We do like to let these invites marinate for a little bit. Sure yeah. And really take in what does it mean for us. Sure the holiday party is really where it all started and really take in what does it mean for us. What do people look like?

Sure, the holiday party is really where it all started, but again, if he's out of commission for Christmas. I barely remember that. Right, he was kind of pre-gaming for Christmas and stuff. And I think you guys maybe weren't there, I didn't come across you guys. I barely remember. Okay, cool.

I actually do not remember at all. Because you weren't there. I don't Yeah, okay, I'm so fun that I don't know if I was even at the party, okay Yeah and I talked to Kevin a little bit and then said like the show and You know listen to it. So you join the company when? Well, just holiday party. I wrote the holiday party was good at the holiday party That's when we did do some,

we signed some stuff at the back of the party. So you attended the holiday party? Yeah, I kind of on my own really rogues. Was it in here? It was in here and I kind of. Okay, so coming in here today, where it does feel like the movie 28 years later in this building, it must feel a little like a different movie.

Oh, empty, yes, yes. The Sting. That's a good point, yeah, I mean the contrast. like a different movie. The sting. That's a good point. Yeah, I mean, the contrast. Where you showed up. The contrast, yeah. And everyone was like, okay, places everyone, places. Yeah, I basically showed up today and was like, where are the hundreds of people and where's my boy Amir?

And it wasn't really like that. Cause at the holiday party, it was very different. Right. People will often say they got boiler roomed after signing on the page. Oh, so they sign people kind of based around the holiday party like this is it every day. Yes.

And then once you finally settle in here it's very different. You show up and there's just one ringing phone in the center of the floor. Yeah and the door was locked actually for me to even be able to get in. Yeah. Huh.

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he got sunburned a few times. Okay, we don't want to like. We don't have to get into that. Yeah, we really, really don't want to talk about that. No, it's fine, but yeah. No, it's not. I don't know, like what did I say? Not okay with me. Yeah. Not okay with you. I don't like thinking about what did I say? It's not okay with me.

Yeah. I don't like thinking about that stuff. Sure, I mean you guys. And neither does anyone else. Sure. Like do not talk about this. Were there ever any times where you guys almost split up? Or has it been?

Do not talk about this. That would not be a topic of conversation for the show. Okay, to me it sounds like an interesting insight into how it's all done, but it's okay. It's not all done. That's what I'm saying. It's not all done. Except what you're saying, that is all done.

Oh, oh, go ahead. Yeah, what you're saying is done and everything else, let's keep going with it. So you sent an email as well? I responded to an email. After the party? No, I sent a DM. You sent a DM to Kevin? Well, to the podcast Instagram.

I didn't know who ran it. I said, hey, I don't know if Kevin runs this or not, but nice to talk to you. Zack put it on my desk. Yeah. So then Zack responded, said, oh, I'm actually Zack. And I thought, wow, they have so many people helping with the show. It must be so easy for them to do it.

So big team. Yeah, all I'm thinking is, wow, this, it must be so easy for them to do it. Big team. Yeah, all I'm thinking is, wow, this must be such a simple thing for them to do. So, and what we've been hearing is that the pneumatic tubes at Roly, what's your company called? Roly Hog. Roly Hog Industries are like getting, they've gotten like so sticky, and I'm like,

how'd that happen? And he starts like, he looks at the ground and he kinda like shuffles his feet. Kevin is also upset because he. He put his hog, put his hog in there. Well that's the thing, he's got a hedgehog and he thinks people assume unfortunately that Roly Hog is named after the animal that he likes

but it's actually that his hog is rolling around on the ground because it's so damn long. That's an interesting thing to name your company after. And it got long by him putting it in those pneumatic tubes that were like shoom, and so it's stretching it. Yeah. So one problem led to another in a way. Yeah.

Yeah, because they're sticky and then it's rolling and it's kind of like, where do you go from there? Yeah. And like. And Kevin will go, it's not a problem for me pal, but it is. Right. It is a problem.

And a problem for him is a problem for me. Well that's nice of you. At the end of the day. Because you got the boys. Well we're kind of our boys. Yeah. Not as close to Kevin as I am to Amir or anything. Yeah.

But we do see each other a lot. We are boys with him. That's cool. Yeah, hope to get there. Zach brought you guys some gifts. Just something to keep in mind. Does that apply to me or just them? Your gift is a hat.

Oh, thanks, yeah. I guess it's just us, and now it's like, now I'm supposed to do something for Zach. I'm not supposed to open it. And now he wants me to open it on the thing and be talking about Zach? Is that, is it for on air? It could be.

The nice, like, maybe I took this for granted, but the nice thing about like previous people, no one specific, people from a long time ago who have been involved with the show did not want to be associated with it at all, including the work aspect of it. Zach wants to be doing all this stuff. Oh my God, he's sending stuff.

I mean, when I got the response from Zach where he said, hey, this is Zach, I could tell, like, he was excited to let me know that it was actually Zach. It felt like there was a lot of pride in that. Act like you've been here before, Zach. Right. You know what I mean?

I wanna just like go to his workstation and just like lean back his chair a little bit. You know what I mean? Don't you feel like? Yeah, just I feel that he's just wound a little bit tight. Yeah, he's hunched over that fucking 26 best friends little station there, you know what I mean?

Got that keyboard a little too close to the nose. He's got a big family and it's all the letters of the alphabet is what I'm saying and he's taking them everywhere. When he says we did something for you, he's talking about him and his keyboard. Keyboard warrior, I'll tell you what. Thank God bless him.

He says Mr. J, he's not talking about the Joker. He's talking about the letter J on the keyboard. Do you have a producer for your podcast, Mandrew? What'd you, Mandrew? Mandrew. It sounded like that's whatrew? What, Mandrew? Mandrew. It sounded like that's what you call me, but no, I don't. I was told that's what you would like to be called. Oh, no, never made that.

You don't? No, just the normal Andrew is fine, but no. I don't have a producer, no, it's just me and again, Ken. That must be a lot of work for you. Thanks for admitting that. Yeah, it is. To him, that's not, that's actually not a confession or like an admission,

that's actually an alibi for him. Him saying that being a producer is a lot of work is part of building something on, that's something that's happening for him over there. It's the long game. This is for a pending court case. Yes, that's right. He's trying to pile up evidence. Just show them.

On their own show, it was actually established that being a producer is a lot of work. It's hard, oh cool. Yeah, it's good to get that out there and just make it clear. Can I have my present? Just when I've heard about a present, I need to look at my present.

I gotta know. You know what I mean? Mandrew, what's next for this year, the show? Are you going outside somewhere new? Yeah, well, oh, you guys really do have presents. I'd like to do more international episodes in my show. Okay. We've done a couple.

Okay. But I like to travel and it'd be fun to do it abroad. What nation would you like to enter this time? Well, I did one already in Japan last year that hasn't come out yet, so that'll come out and that'll be cool. Wow. Oh my gosh, is this an exclusive? No, not really, but it's gonna come out soon.

Because of the time difference or something? Yeah, we're waiting for the tiles to get set. So, the Peanuts are having a little bit of a snowball fight, having fun on the card. There's a check in here for $15,000. Cool. This is from Zach, the keyboard guy. Yeah, if you don't respond to my texts,

I'm gonna hurt your whole family. I'm gonna beat you up if I ever chose to end you, I would beat it for you. I have all of your information if I ever chose to end you and that would be it for you. I have all of your information and I am your big again. I can disappear your life in moments. No one would miss you. No one would ever think about you again. Have the coziest of holidays.

Merry Christmas. Okay. Interesting. Okay, and I'm feeling this, and I think it is a book about sex positions. Let's see if I'm right. Okay. All right, so.

Oh, cute. Let me see yours. Nice. Mine's personal too. Mm-hmm, yeah, so this is someone who knows more about me maybe than some other people who I've worked with for a little longer. Multiple. Let me see this. Very nice.

Mine's. Oh, cute. Yeah. Zach, so cute. So mine's a. I. Zach, so cute. So mine's a- I don't know why the card was so threatening, but. So it's interesting, I will say, to open a gift over a really long period of time on camera, but not show what it is.

Some things are just for me. I mean, I know you like- That's just an interesting style. Your podcast life is like, literally every single thing that happens to me, I have to like, immediately share it with like, the entire world. No, definitely not. Zero internal experience whatsoever.

Some things actually are just like, for me to have in my life. And like, you ask if you know, if we know ourselves who that is. Yeah. And it's like, maybe try having like, doing one thing. POV Kermit's about to give you dome, right? It's a great.

POV Kermit gonna give you net brother. It's a green envelope. And yeah, and when it was in there, I would've said that he just did it. Yeah, he finished. And that's. Yeah. Yeah, this is without the load in there, right?

Oh, so he's about to give you domeome, but then it was already in his mouth. Yeah. Yeah, well you're not the only one getting Dome from Kermit today. I hate to shatter your illusions. You and Kermit are not an exclusive relationship. You don't have that right to Kermit. Oh yeah.

Yeah. And so did Cam like- Do whatever he wants. Like the way you're reacting, it makes me feeling like Cam did not give you any special present at all. No, I didn't get a present from many, I don't think I got a present from many peers or friends.

He actually is just a camera. Yeah, he's, yeah. Yeah, that would make more sense than what I'm being told. And we're not peers, by the way. I don't know if you understand the dynamic with Zach. I just like, you just said peers. I just wanna double back,

cause like he's listening as his job and that's why we're not Piers. I mean, in a way the gifts might've been an attempt to kind of upgrade you to that status, but it doesn't seem like it works. He certainly did take a swing at that. Yeah. But thank you for the notes on my show.

Well. Just this this episode I guess. Here's a little- And also I'll say to Zach too. We open gifts every episode. Thank you for the notes on my show to Zach as well. The notes that you gave me. What Kevin? If you were to have a producer, Maynard, you could have a little smaller table

next to the host table on the side. He's like kind of doing his own thing or her. Yeah, or he. Or like a sidecar. Right. Yeah. I mean, our show. With a little wheel. It's on the streets.

And your desk could be a little car. We're trying to kind of keep everything as low key as possible. We don't want to get shut down by the police. Okay, then. We shoot on an iPhone. Then it seems like your desk should be able to drive away. Right, yeah.

You're saying like, I don't wanna be shut down by the police, so I just have this desk that is just sitting there. Totally still and any police could come up to me anytime and arrest me. And this actually is an exclusive. And I can't drive it away. Our episode in Tokyo did get shut down actually,

so that is an exclusive for you. Okay. Okay. And that would be the perfect place to have a little desk. Yeah, that could drive away. That's driving away. Yeah, and we didn't have that, and I realized we kinda fucked up in that respect. And by we, I just mean me.

And it doesn't even have to be that the wheels are popping out in a secret way. It can be that the wheels are in your pocket and you screw them on to the bottom of the desk when you have to get out of there, magnets. Well, also I will say if the whole desk is a car, it would definitely eliminate the work that I have to do every time of putting the stuff in my car, you know.

Where I can just drive that. Well, the desk is a big skateboard. If the desk is a big skateboard. Yeah. Right. And you're doing tricks. I used to do that. Or like a Rivian. I used to be really into skateboarding. Oh my gosh, dude is a big skateboard. Yeah. Right. And you're doing tricks. Or like a Rivian. I used to be really into skateboarding.

Oh my gosh, dude, a Rivian. Those are nice. Those are actually nice cars. Those are good cars. If you actually look at the specs, it's like it has the same towing power and stuff as whatever fucking King Ranch. People are like, you know,

these are for like pussies or whatever, but no, people were like, these are for like pussies or whatever, but no, you're actually a pussy. You're a fucking pussy if you say that, because you're too much of a coward to read the specs and actually see what the towing power is. You're just so stuck in your bubble, right? The mana sphere that you've created for yourself. You can't actually open up.

It shows me that you don't actually have to like tosh it, you know? Yeah, that's bitch-made. That's textbook bitch-made behavior, and I won't have it on my show, and I won't have it on the podcast, but outside. I will not tolerate. So what kind of car is your desk?

It's not, it's a plastic folding table from Costco. You're saying in an ideal world, what kind of car would I make it? No. Okay. Okay. I was trying to play along. So if the show is so much work,

how do you do it every single day? Yeah, again, I don't. We release twice a month and it's just, that's our schedule. So you must have an enormous backlog of episodes that you haven't released because we're not. I mean, I do talk to people every day, but I don't record it

and I don't consider it an episode of the show, but that's just like everyday life, I guess. Okay, are you recording this right now? I'm not, no. I hope someone is or maybe I hope they're not, but yeah. So what's next for the show? You've asked that many times and I don't know, I don't even know if you know what's behind us,

to be honest. Well, just feel like there's gotta be more. I guess my question, like what's behind, like I feel like you don't know much about the show, so what's next, also what's behind, I feel like it would- It was Japanese at one time. I could kind of say anything you've done in the past and say that's next and you might think, oh, that sounds cool and then, you know. Well, not anything.

Okay. Can't say we're gonna get shut down in Tokyo, Nick. Yeah. I do know the show. I remember when you thought it would be funny to have the show be Japanese for an episode. Well, just not really be Japanese, just interview people in another country

and only one Japanese person sat down, the rest of them were people. We wanted to do more. Everyone is so the same to me that the idea of being like, oh, here's an interesting thing I did. I talked to like, something that's different for me. Well yeah, it was really your only goal was to go

and I guess like, clown on different cultures or something. No, that's never the goal. I was like, what do you wanna do next? You were like, I'd like to clown on different cultures or something. No, that's never the goal. I was like, what do you want to do now? You were like, I'd like to do more international episodes which read between the lines. It's just the world. Like go humiliate some Dutchman or something.

Yeah. No, it's really just talking to people about their lives and to learn about stories that wouldn't otherwise be on podcasts, I guess. Okay. What are you? You think they don't have podcasts over there? Sorry, sorry. What are you? I was born I guess. Okay. What are you, where are you from? Do you think they don't have podcasts over there? Sorry, sorry, what are you?

I was born in California. Okay. But I grew up elsewhere. For years. Okay, wait, wait, wait. What's elsewhere? I would say I more grew up in Colorado. Colorado's where you really became a man.

That's where I really blossomed. Well, I moved when I was 17. That's where you really became a man. With my mom. That's where I really blossomed. Well, I moved when I was 17. That's where. I've lived in different places. I had a little growing up in Colorado one time myself. Oh really? I didn't. Grew way up.

Cool. Way, way up. Yeah. Yeah, so just, you know, different future guests. He got a whoring in Colorado. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I could tell, yeah. Yeah. You could call the show Tell U Ride.

That's where I grew up. Nice. Interesting. Wow. Are you doing any other HeadGum podcasts? Don't have any on the calendar, no. Okay, well, if you have questions about any of them, we know them all. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, can I do them all?

There's another guy. That's my main question. Who is just doing a podcast by himself. No, not me, you can't do them all. This guy, Miles? Oh yeah, yeah, Banz, whatever. Yeah, whatever the fucking thing. Yeah, I know him slightly. He's also doing an Alone podcast?

That seems hard. Was it always? I think so. Okay. I don't know. Yeah. And to me it's like, it's actually harder to make space for someone.

You know, I know you feel like you have to like get your shit off and just like do a podcast by yourself. I don't feel that way. It's actually harder, but it's more rewarding in a way to actually share. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a lesson. Share your world with someone in that way. Yeah, it is nice to kind of share that with someone.

And maybe you and Miles could take your alone podcast and like, do. Combine them. Do, you can each do your own show, but like do them like kind of together. Or you can be like on the patio or something and he can be like inside. He can be on the patio or something and he can be inside. Unfortunately for you, I do have to say,

podcasting is an inside job. Ultimately, you can take your podcast outside, but the work is gonna happen in here. The work to actually become a person who has a podcast. Right. That's gonna be in here. And it wasn't easy for me always

in this episode to let Hayes speak. But half the time I did it. You, I'm less concerned about, because you kinda need a little bit of a lesson in like, it's not always about getting your shit off. I don't know that I really had it, yeah. Like you sat down and were like, I can't wait to get my shit off.

No, I didn't have a plan or anything. No. Probably because the sky was so low. Yeah, I was just trying to adjust, really. Speaking of plans, like what's 2025? Some new guests in terms of people I invite and also strangers, you know, again, you guys are invited You know, there's some other people Who's the different who's a famous like who's the different famous ones that have been on there? That have been on, John Hamm did our show,

I know he did your guys' show, we've had Adam Scott. Yeah, but barely. Oh, Adam, oh. I had Damon John from Shark Tank, and he basically did not understand what was happening and I think did not do a great job. Gee, damn. Fucking Christ.

No, it was Dan. Oh my God. You know how many guests we've had that don't do a great job. Um, and our fans. Oh fucking Christ. No, it was damn. Oh my God. You know how many guests we've had that don't do a great job? We don't talk about that. No, it's just that I don't think he was aware of anything that we were doing and I don't know if he was briefed on what our show was because he basically just said, what are we doing every five minutes?

And that was kind of the whole episode. Oh God. Yeah, that was interesting. I love them. I love Shark Tank. I'm happy to have them on. What's your, everybody who really loves the show has this, like, what's your Shark Tank product?

I know you're kind of going like, oh, I would pitch this if I went on. Oh, not stuff I bought from the show? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, you, I'm trying to learn about you, not what no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, well, called my, you know, my ex-pocohost. He did pitch some stuff. I, again, I truly do not want to. Because if you want to be like Amir and like have a company, you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't necessarily have something I would pitch.

I don't, I'm not a- But you love the show. Yeah, I like to watch it. But I'm not a businessman or an inventor or anything. Okay, but it doesn't get wheels turning at all. Do you guys have anything? You're watching stuff and you're not like imagining it's you there like doing whatever the person

on screen is doing, I don't understand. No, I'm kind of just getting lost in their world a little bit. What? No, we have a couple things. Yeah, you got some Shark Tank stuff? We got a couple things. Okay.

We got a company called Cool Wazoo. It's a pad that keeps you from burning your butt on swings at the playground. And you bring that from playground to playground or it's on each swing as like? You know, it's in the prototype stage right now. For now, you put it on and it's stuck. Okay, so that's more like you sell those two playgrounds

more so than to consumers, I guess. There's just one. Although you just make one. Yeah. And it's just for the playground. It's in the prototype stage. Yeah, and we're experimenting with different materials because the one gets stuck.

Yeah. We actually did a really far away playground. Yeah, so it's kind of block out a lot of time to get over there and it's been pretty aggressively vandalized. So you kind of have to decide what's worth more to you, your time or your butt in a way. Yeah, well, you know, I like to say something on this show

and this is true for podcasting, you'll learn this too, doing your show. I mean, I've done it for a while, but yeah. You can save your ass or save your face, but you can't do both. And so I think if you're trying to like make a great presentation and everything's about this sort of like, this perfectly curated persona that you've got for yourself

but you're not revealing what's inside. Podcasting's an inside job. Right. You're going to ultimately find out that you saved your face instead of your ass. And we're about saving your ass here on this show. That's why it gets a little ugly sometimes. You might notice it's not actually always pretty what we do. Yeah, ass here on this show. That's why it gets a little ugly sometimes. You might notice, it's not actually always pretty,

what we do. Yeah, I've noticed. Yeah. The conversations are mean. They're aggressive. Yeah, yeah. It's not pleasant. Right off the bat as well. You know what I mean?

It's not pleasant. Not a lot of guests come back. Right. And the ones that do have some kind of damage, like they have some kind of historical damage in their life, some trauma is causing them to come back on the show. Talk about walking in.

Well, I walked in and the door was locked, which, that happens I guess, and then walked in. This door or that? That door to the outside, so I was coming inside, it was locked in then. And then as I walk in here, you got fucking proprietary podcast technology here, you got algorithms and shit. And then as I walk in, I'm walking in and Sean's leaving the room that I'm walking into.

Yeah. And he kind of almost throws away a hey, boss. Yeah. Which didn't make me feel super welcome. But like that, not really. You didn't like pretending that you hey, boss. Yeah. Which didn't make me feel super welcome, but. Didn't like that? Not really. You didn't like pretending that you were the boss in the whole company? Well, no, I just, I didn't know how, it just felt like, okay, interesting.

And then, I don't know. And then it just. You gotta start getting comfortable with that. Sure. Dude, if you're gonna be the only one, we don't like talk about this, the only one doing the show, you're the boss. Okay, so you're referencing me as my role on my show.

You're a founder. Right, okay, now I do, okay. Okay. You know what I mean? Yeah. Maybe if you were a little bit more in your boss era. Sure, sure. Those Tokyo police wouldn't have given you the high hat.

You know what I mean? Yeah, I guess that was kind of about my energy, I guess. You put the chairs in the car, you're like the boss of those chairs. Right? Yeah. Imagine how it makes them feel. They're just like, holy fucking shit,

this guy is going boss mode. I'm getting manhandled by this fucking mega boss. Your neighbors are looking at the binoculars, they go, there goes the boss. Right neighbors will look at the binoculars, they go, there goes the boss. Right. Yeah, dude. Yeah, that does sound good.

I think it is maybe about my own perception of myself. Yeah, so I'm sorry. I thought I was empowering you when I said, hey boss, and I guess thrown away, I was going to get a drink from the kitchen. Yeah, no, I get it. And I guess you wanted him to like kneel down and like suck on your pinky or something.

No. Like would that be like enough? No, no. Acknowledgement? I guess just like some level of like, you know, hey, thanks for doing the show. Happy to have you here instead of just like a, just like a high and buy in a way.

So, yeah. Okay. Yeah, all right. And I understand that my- This is actually helpful for me because I kinda, no, this is helpful because I kinda think of it like, hey, we're all in it together, we're doing the show.

Oh, I see. I didn't know it was a massive favor you were doing for me. No, no, not that, not even that, just- But that's good for me to know. I don't always have a sense of like whether it's Like a huge ass favor So no, I'm happy to be here. I'm thankful to be here I just yeah, and I understand that maybe my presence here was you know forced on you guys in a way or not really?

like dude disgust Maybe I need to be a boss actually. No, I'm actually, fuck yeah, you're welcome actually. I'm loving your shit. Dude, yes. Do you do the ads outside too? Yeah, just set up a table. God, does that ever hurt you with any of the companies

they don't want their ad outside? Squarespace. They're pretty much okay with it. Squarespace, right? They're inside. They're inside, yeah. it. Squarespace, right? They're inside. They're inside, yeah. Inside, yeah. It sounds like a what a room can be.

We used to do ads with the strangers kind of to make it more fun, but then that just became difficult. The strangers from the movie Strangers? Well, from our show. And they got paid or they got jack shit? We pay everyone on our show a dollar, and we always have.

That's right. Yeah, just as an effort to kind of be fair. Yeah, I knew that. Yeah. I got what you's right. Yeah, just as an effort to kind of be fair. Yeah, I knew that. Yeah. Yeah, thanks. What do we got? Come back four more times, brother. Bye.

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