Hollywood Handbook - Jake Fogelnest, Our Close Friend

Episode Date: December 16, 2013

Sean and Hayes celebrate the season of Goldie Nods by talking about how much they crushed in the comedy noms department and sharing their love of the music in the Coen bros film Inside Llewyn Davis. Then, child star JAKE FOGELNEST drops by to chat about his Hollywood upbringing, taking the Disney route, believing in the power of buzz, his big meeting with Grumpy Cat, and his role in the Third Wave podcast movement.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Podcast. I don't want him. And I was like, that's it. Everybody out of my hot tub now. And I hate that it ended like that. Hollywood Handbook. Hey, welcome to Hollywood Handbook. What up, what up?

I'm Hayes Davenport. I'm here with Sean Clements. This is an insider's guide to kicking butt and dropping names in the red carpet lineback hallways of this industry we call showbiz. I'm sorry, we're just really excited. This is one of our favorite times of year, and not just because of Christmas presents. Yeah, I love getting presents and unwrapping them and opening them, and it's very nice that someone thought of you and bought them for you. But the real reason we're excited, this to me is when Hollywood truly reaches a fever pitch every year because this is the the season of goldie nods

and uh goldie not golden globe nominations uh to you guys um they were announced this past week we should probably explain what the golden globes are to to to our listeners who maybe aren't from from los angeles oh that's so sad for me to think about. Just not knowing what they are. But they don't know. But they don't know. Yeah, they don't know what they're missing. There's no way for them to miss it because they don't know what that is. So that is a little, it's cold comfort because it's so much fun to be part of the Goldie

Knots. So what happens in Hollywood town this time of year is there is a big award ceremony that honors the greatest achievements in film and television by different actors and funny men. No, not the Oscars or the Emmys. We know you know about those. Those two people who actually work in this industry are not considered legitimate rewards for artistic achievement. They're really a sick fucking joke and a big circle jerk. And the thing about the Emmys and the Oscars is they're not about movies or TVs, which is really just small movies. Golden Globes is about movies and TVs, and it's about the work.

Those award shows are about who's tucking who's wee-wee into who's different other parts behind what closed doors. And it's really a big joke. It's cash under the table. It's who's got the juice it's who owes who what favor because who hit whose kid with whose car coming out of which roosevelt hotel and that's a lot of what controls who's winning these awards but the golden globes incorruptible are for art and for true cinephiles and for people who really like to watch TV. And one of the things that's so great about the Golden Globes is they don't make what I consider to be the fatal mistake of the Academy Awards,

which is that the Academy Awards don't separate dramas from comedies and musicals. Yes. Fatal mistake. And that's why nobody likes the Oscars and everybody loves the Goldie Nods. Now, they're not perfect. They're not perfect. We do have a little game me and Hayes always play

when they come out where we talk about Goldie Nods and the three wheres. Where was Frozen this year? Where was Admission? And where on earth was Expendables 2? So they do miss some, but there's more hits than misses. And we're going to talk about how much they crushed the comedy noms. The thing about comedy, it's difficult doing comedy and making comedy like Sean and I do

to be appreciated by sophisticated award shows. People tend to think of comedies as just jokes and not really to be taken seriously as art. It's not art. Oh, I like to go to the museum and look at the paintings. I look at them with my opera glasses. Heaven forbid that I should ever laugh at a joke about it. Laughing's unseemly. Eating too many beans and it's making me fart.

But the Golden Globes like to take time every year to recognize comedies and musicals because they're sort of the same. Singing and jokes are all part of the same critical theory. So we want to talk about how much they crushed the best comedies this year. Some of the funniest people involved in them. Oh, my. Certainly the biggest loss we had in a theater this year. The five nominees for best comedy or musical motion picture.

One is Inside Llewyn Davis, which we do want to talk about later. That's our pick to win it and we'll talk about why in a moment. That's a musical because someone sings music in it. musical because someone sings music in it uh but the comedy movies are her directed by spike jones nebraska directed by alexander payne wolf of wall street directed by martin scorsese and american hustle directed by david o russell Russell. What crackups these directors are. Now, I'd like to start with Nebraska, which I think was even funnier than The Descendants. Yeah, that is certainly his funniest movie since The Descendants. It's about a man who has to take his dad on a road trip. Oh, and don't think he's just any old dad.

His dad has severe dementia. Alzheimer's. So he frequently, like, he's got this, I don't want to spoil too much, but he's got this, like, you know, publisher's clearinghouse type thing that he thinks is actually worth a million dollars, and he, like, wants it to make his life better. And there's that part where he's like, pull over, son. I have to go number one again. He's always peeing and pooping, and it's a laugh a minute.

The peepees and the laughs I got out of some of the peepees that you see in this movie. But I actually thought her was maybe even funnier when he's trying to joaquin phoenix plays a guy who's basically trying to hump this robot oh gosh uh note to joaquin you can't fuck a voice but he's sure gonna try and uh that's what i found so and he's got this daring about this goofy mustache and he's using the, I mean, it's a little bit of a crutch at this point, but he is using that funny Joaquin voice where he sort of sounds like his tongue is too big for his mouth. Oh, sure.

And he's going, I care about you so much. I don't really care about you so much. And it is like I mean cheap laughs but big laughs but in terms of the comedy chops in a movie I think you can't really beat American Hustle

just some of comedy's brightest stars you got Bradley Cooper Coop busts my whole shit up I laughed my friggin butt off during Limitless which was snubbed last year. Major snubbage. But it doesn't stop there

because you've also got Christian cut up bail. I saw him at a Bumbershoot a couple years ago doing this set he does where he's just standing on stage but his set is being piped in like his voice is being piped it's like very kaufman-esque yes and so he's been doing

this sort of underground thing for a long time and and congrats to movies for for putting this guy on the big screen seeing that he could work in movies too because i remember being at south by and he's on stage and i'm standing with patton uh off off in the wings and patton goes i'm supposed to follow this guy he's sort of a comedian's comedian like he's the guy who he may not be getting as much national pub as some of these other guys but comedians look at him and they're jealous because he's doing shit that they they just don't have the courage to go up there and they wish they thought of it one more comedy to discuss a true return to form for director martin scorsese who's sort of steered away from comedy after, I think, with Mean Streets, we said he's a one-trick pony.

He only can make us laugh, and he can't make us feel, what was he trying to make us feel with some of these other movies? Scared, I guess. Scared. And he said, well, let me show him, let me dust off the joke book and show him that I still got some laughs in me. There's a reason that everyone calls him the king of comedy. And it's because those are his roots. So we could laugh all day thinking about these movies. But can I say quickly, just as a side note, Golden Globes,bes near perfect they did have one category fail

there's one film that was nominated in the wrong category they made it best movies which is one of the best movies sure but they didn't make it best comedy movies am i the only one who saw 12 Years a Slave and thought that Taron Killam should be on SNL and then I called Lorne and now he is? But how strange that you would see Taron Killam in a movie and consider that movie to be a drama when clearly it belongs in the comedy category with all the other funny movies maybe they're pranking me at the goldie knot office but i think more likely it's an actual category fail but we want to talk about uh to a movie that we really did enjoy a serious movie um inside lewin davis uh people have sometimes accused us of being a little too critical on We really did enjoy a serious movie inside Llewyn Davis. People have sometimes accused us of being a little too critical on this podcast. We want to let everyone know we truly do love movies,

and it's so nice to see a movie like this that reminds us what movies is all about. I didn't want to like it. I didn't want to because I do. Because Joel is such a pill. Yes. I'm happy for Ethan. We can separate Joel's personality from the work that that he put on the screen. Because it's a triumph and it's clear it's not in the comedy.

It's in the musical because someone's playing music. Someone does sing music. And even just looking at the cover, a man has a guitar case. Yes, that's true. He does. People have accused us of not seeing this movie, which is so strange to me because of how much

we did see it and really... We saw it in a critic screening. Mm-hmm. And it wasn't more than a minute beyond the opening credits that I turned to Lisa Schwarzenbaum of time

and said, Ooh, behold, the haunting new tune of Troubadour's Joel and Ethan Coen. She put up her finger to shush me, and she was scribbling with a pen. I guess she wasn't really listening. But I thought that was a good observation. Yeah, I had a very similar reaction. I was sitting with Peter Travers. Oh, from Rolling Stone.

The credits are rolling, and we're both just reeling from seeing the film. And I said to Peter, Peter, tell me if you agree with this. The Coens make their own kind of music. And note to the Academy, give John Goodman the Oscar nomination you've owed him for decades. He's magnificent. And he was busy writing stuff down, and so I'm not sure if he was actually paying attention to me. Well, and I thought that some of the people in that screening didn't realize that this film is the kind of great work that cuts right through the noise. And that it is humbling, tragic, absurd, and revelatory.

that cuts right through the noise, and that it is humbling, tragic, absurd, and revelatory. I mean, when I said that to Manola Dargis of the New York Times, it was like she couldn't even hear what I was saying. Yes. And I watched the movie. I do want to talk about the music, because some of the music that they were singing was some of the greatest songs I think I've ever heard,

even better than even some of the things on the radio. What was your favorite song from the film? Of the songs within the film, I remember being so touched and so moved by the third song and the second-to-last song. Right. The one that is like...

Plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, plink. Llewyn Davis, drawing pictures of mountaintops. Llewyn Davis on top, little baby son. Like that song. That was the third one. And then the second to last one was, Llewyn Davis, it's 3 a.m., I must be lonely. Oh, sometime, Llewyn Davis, believe me.

And I was like, how did they do that? Like, how did they do that? But truly, truly a boldly original, highly emotional journey of one man's efforts to reconcile his life as art. And the film is also a revelatory showcase for Oscar Isaac. And the tech contributions are outstanding on all accounts. So, in that sense, that's my pick to win in the comedy category. No matter how funny the lofts were from some of those comedies, they can't touch the tech contributions, which are where standing on all counts of Lou and Davis. We have a very fun, funny guest today. Jake Bagelnest of the Earwolf Network is here. He's going to talk a little about

growing up as a child celebrity and where that led him today. Coming up soon on Hollywood Handbook. Hollywood Handbook. So, I turned to Bombok and I'm like, that was great i laughed i cried it was amazing uh but drop the the just francis hawk it's cleaner right yeah here comes haze and sean

hey what up what up welcome to hollywoodbook, an insider's guide to kicking butt and dropping names in the red carpet lineback hallways of this industry we call showbiz. We're so, so grateful today. In this season of blessings, it's important to really be thankful when someone you care about does you a service. An attitude of gratitude goes a long way in this town. Gratitude of gratitude goes a long way in this town. And when people see you appreciating the little things that others do, in this case, giving up some time, which is pretty valuable.

That's what our guest has done. He's given us a bit of his time to be on the show. And we're just so happy to welcome Jake Bagelnest on the show today uh that's yeah i see what you're doing i see what you're doing that's uh that's cute well we play around i got it no i got it no i you know what i it's uh it's as if we need to clarify it's jake vogel but i do have to say i love the um the spirit in which you're sort of beginning this broadcast, I've been finding lately that I will just be writing a tweet. And no matter what the content of the tweet is, I want to end it with hashtag blessed. Just because that is how I feel right now. Sure.

I just feel I'm at a place sort of career-wise. And I think that if your career is going well, it does bleed into your personal life. The rest falls into place. The rest falls into place. Like take care of career and everything else will come together. Jake, do it. Put that hashtag on. And I feel blessed and I just want people to know that.

Jake, put the hashtag on. I will. I'm not going to hold back anymore. Do you put hashtag blessed or hashtag spawn first is the question. I'm still using hashtag Fogel for Spider-Man. Thank you. Remember that campaign where they wanted Fogelness to be the new Spider-Man. Can I be honest with you?

That was like, I woke up one day and just saw all of these tweets and I was like, what is this? Like, why me? But then you're like, yeah, they want it. If they want it. Look, when I think something like that happens on social media and it's just like a fun thing, embrace it. Just embrace it. But it is, I think, sort of unethical, actually, that Marvel has never had a 30-something Spider-Man. Look, I...

It's a big franchise. I don't want to be disrespectful to Marvel. Can you imagine what it takes, the labyrinth that it takes to put together a Spider-Man movie? Just all the moving parts. Yeah, I think I've got some idea. Yeah, you guys know. People don't think about

the moving parts that it takes. They think it just happens. They think it just happens. It's like, no. You point a camera, it's Spider-Man's suit. Yeah. Not exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

A little thing called CGI, and then there's above the line and below the line. And thank you very much. That's just how movies are made. Okay? So I get it. I get it. I'm not, you know what I mean? But at the same time, you know, on a personal level, yeah, it hurts.

It hurts. But it's hard for you especially to understand because you've been in it for so long. Yeah. And that's part of the blessings you're getting now. It's because you have given so much. This has been your whole life. One of these people who grew up in the biz. Yeah.

Grew up on screen right in front of us. I was born into it. I don't know any other way. You know what I mean? I live, breathe, eat. I eat Hollywood for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. That's right. Sean and I don't really, like our background, our parents were farmers.

It's like we never really wanted this. Salt of the earth. Yeah. And it just was thrust upon us. It's a great story. And we weren't really was thrust upon us. It's a great story. We weren't really given a choice. You guys are a great story. It's like, it's really like the Hollywood dream.

I see it within you guys. I'm, I, you know, I come, you know, I was practically born at, you know, Schwab's Pharmacy. Yeah, Schwab's Pharmacy. Exactly. Because we'll talk about your upbringing, your parents and what they did and how that sort of led you to your career. Robert Evans was a powerful movie producer in the, you know, he was an actor originally. Yep.

And then he became a producer and then the head of Paramount Pictures. And ultimately Kid Notorious. Yeah, ultimately Kid Notorious. Thank you very much. I was a great tribute to my dad, to my dad. Robert Evans, he's my dad. And I changed my name to Fogelness for show business reasons. That's right. You know what I mean? Because I don't want to Fogelness for show business reasons. That's right. You know what I mean? Because I don't want to,

you know, if I was just simply Jake Evans, first of all, he's got another son named Jake. So there's, you know what I mean? Dicey. Dicey.

You know what I mean? I don't want us to get confused. And you need a, just a show business name to pop. So I, you know, so I changed it, but I grew up,

you know, Hollywood royalty. Your mother was Brandon Tartikoff. Yes. Your mother was Brandon Tartikoff. Yes, my mother was Brandon Tartikoff, who ran NBC for many, many years. Brandon Tartikoff almost canceled Saturday Night Live. And that happened in 1986 when Lorne Michaels came back. And it doesn't get really talked about, but the reason that Brandon Tartikoff almost canceled Saturday Night Live is because I said, Mommy, this isn't good anymore. What the fuck are you doing, Mommy?

And Brandon took that very seriously. Ultimately, Brandon was a smart executive and knew that Lauren just needed more time. You know what I mean? And needed to find his footing and really get in there and produce SNL again. Yeah, and I think he's almost there. I think he's almost got it. I think he's almost got it. I think it's, you know—

He's on the right track. He's on the right track. But you went from being born into this— and anyone who's seen The Kid's Kid stays in the picture. This is an old story for then, your biopic. You went from there into basically becoming a star at a very young age. Yeah, no, I mean,

if you're a young, attractive child in this business. Triple threat. A triple threat, yeah. If you're young, attractive, and a child, you know, all three, the Disney route,

it's like the gold standard. It's like, follow the yellow brick road to Mickey and Minnie. Yes. And that's what I did. And I just had this sort of – it's a path that I didn't necessarily carve out for myself. It was just already carved. It was just right there. It was just like, what are you going to do?

Not walk down that road. So I did. And I got involved. I'm always so envious of that because Hayes and I have been out there in the wilderness cutting through the brush with a machete. Sort of making our own path. Yeah, no, and I get that. And then I see guys who are just cruising. Yeah, blazed right on through. Sort of on a bobsled, you know, heading for superstardom.

Actually, you know, it's like while you guys were, you know, just in the, literally in the trenches, you know, heading for superstardom. Actually, you know, it's like while you guys were, you know, just in the, literally in the trenches, you know, it's just like, you know, cause Hollywood, making your way through Hollywood is a lot like being in the shit in Vietnam, you know? And, you know, when you guys were just sort of, you're, you're in there with like a machine gun. Maybe braver than Vietnam because you have to choose this. I assume that's what you meant. You choose this. Some of the Vietnam what you meant. You choose this.

Some of the Vietnam guys didn't even want to go. Yeah, yeah. They didn't want to go. You can't get drafted into Hollywood dreams. Right. You know what I mean? So, yeah, no, you guys were really in the shit with that stuff. And I just, you know, I'm on a golf cart.

My path was chosen for me. Yeah. So you did Mickey Mouse Club. Yeah. Mickey Mouse Club, I guess that was sort of – I mean, obviously, there's a rich tradition of the Mickey Mouse Club. I wasn't on there with Annette Funicello and all those guys. Although I did punch up. It was my first job as a writer.

I did punch up. I was seven or eight years old. I did punch up on a movie called Back to the Beach. Do you remember that movie? Yes. I love this story. Yeah. And it was so funny.

Frankie Avalon and my mom, Brandon Tartikoff, were having a meeting because Brandon was like, maybe we should do like a Frankie and Annette sitcom. Sort of like, honestly, what he wanted to do was, there was a little bit of a dip in the ratings of the Cosby show. I know it's hard to believe at this point, but it was like Lisa Bonet had just left, and that drove a lot of the audience away, because people tuned in to the Cosby show,

because they were real Bonet maniacs. Yeah. So he had this idea. Yeah, they were the original Boneheads. So Brandon, my mom, had this wonderful idea. What if Claire and Cliff, what if they just embezzled a bunch of money from the hospital that Cliff worked at and just split and just left all the Cosby kids, Rudy and Theo. And where's mom and dad? And Brandon wanted to bring in Frankie Avalon and Annette Funicello to be the new Claire and Cliff.

Like, they're just Frankie and Annette. How are these kids going to deal with it? Ultimately, it didn't work out. But Frankie was over at the house and they were telling me about this movie, Back to the Beach, and I just said, you know what? I have some ideas for it. And I just punched it up. It was like an Apple 2GS

or something. Remember those old computers? There was no final draft on that, let me tell you. So I did punch up and then, you know. The Humongous Cow down under thank you that was me yeah it was me but it's an unappreciated element of of being being a child star in the disney system that was sort of exploitative where they would have you guys do this punch up for

network pilot yeah and you didn't know any different i don't know yeah no i just thought that's how it is you know it's part of the job yeah i just you know but they'd bring you to this back room and kind of lock the door and say hey like there's a horrible story some candy if you do punch up on this it's a horrible story about britney spears i'm sorry i'm just thinking about this britney spears had to write she just wanted to sing and dance she says you know what i mean she's an entertainer and they they put her in a room with fucking Jerry Stahl and made her write three episodes of ALF.

She didn't know what she was doing. Ultimately, she won an Emmy. So it was nice. You know what I mean? She won... And that's what I think... That's bullshit anyway. Yeah.

I think that's what drove Jerry Stahl to heroin. Down that spiral knowing that it was really. That was really Britney Spears. Britney who wrote his best stuff. Yeah. And it's just awful. It's not all glitz and glamour.

People really think that it is. But no, we were forced to do punch up on shows. We just wanted to sing and dance and entertain. We don't want to be... Taking a child at a vulnerable age and making them a faceless scribe. No offense to you guys. Making them a faceless scribe.

Brutal. For scale. That's the other thing. Why would that offend me? I just know that you have a lot of friends that are writers and stuff. I don't want to – I'd be offended on their behalf.

Right. Go ahead. Yeah. Do you keep up with those – with Brittany and Christina and Jay Timbo and Timberlake and Steve Merchant and those people? Yeah. Justin Timberlake, I saw recently. He invited me to a screening of some art film he's in. I saw recently he invited me to a screening of some art film he's in

I saw something I don't know what he's about right now it's a little art film just sing and dance just sing and dance Stephen Merchant I see all the time it's so funny

because he was always the tallest in the Mickey Mouse Club even back then he's very very tall and like we used to we used to call him Stretch oh no that's wicked hey Stretch and he was like this you know

sort of mild mannered British kid but I see it I'm so happy for his success now. I'm so happy for him. He's got a little cable show, and he's doing great. And you all sort of went your separate ways. Carmelo Anthony became a basketball star. Yeah, which we all saw coming.

He just liked to play. Dov Charney. That was amazing like no because because what people don't remember about dov charny on the mickey mouse club is how funny he was yeah you know just he just had a an amazing sense of comic timing with adults like you know like because kids and kids being funny together. But that's easy. You know what I mean? Kids know each other's rhythm. But Dov Charney, if you can find it on YouTube, Dov Charney, there is footage of him at seven years old. And he is with Don Rickles.

And he's just, I'll just say this. He makes Don Rickles look like an amateur. Yeah. Like, cracking up Don Rickles and be like, I like i can't he's like i can't believe this kid but and but you read now about him like fingering his employees and stuff i go classic classic dove yeah yeah that's one of his jokes just one of his yeah oh my god when he was and you know i get it it's like when he was a little kid and he would do that it would be it was like oh what are you doing and stuff just got to know Dove to understand that.

And then Amy Fisher, right? That's a sad story. Yeah, because she just wasn't very funny. No, she was just talentless. They put her on the show because she had gotten famous in the whole Joey thing. Yeah, she was old. It was a weird choice.

It wasn't a great fit. It wasn't a great fit. It wasn't a great fit. People don't remember that she attempted to murder a woman, shot Joey Buttafuoco's wife, Mary Buttafuoco, shot her in the face. That was a misstep for Disney at that point. People were talking about her so they thought we can parlay this into, could not dance. I'm a big believer in following the buzz. I really believe in buzz.

Sure. You know, as you can see, buzz that does not kill me only makes me stronger. You see that tattooed right there. It's written inside of your forearm. Yeah, inside of my forearm. Buzz that does not kill me only makes me stronger. So I believe in the power of buzz. But you have to have talent

to back it up. Yeah. And at the end of the day, Amy Fisher had two left feet. Yeah, she was exposed on that show. Yeah. You know what? It just wasn't right for her.

Maybe there was another vehicle. I mean, I think she'd be a big YouTube star nowadays. Oh my God. Like a beauty guru? Today, yes. All you need is a friggin' GoPro and a library

subscription. There's no pageantry in that. Goddamn magazine subscription. I don't know how they do it. You give it like a USB stick or something. I don't mess around with that stuff.

It'll come and go. Skype is a fad. I'll just, you know, I don't care. Careful. They're one of our... Oh, I'm so sorry. We'll take it. Yeah, just cut that out.

But you and Andrew T. left the group and joined the Earwolf family. Yeah, me and Andrew T. from the Yo, Is This Racist podcast. Yeah. You know, we sort of broke out of Disney. And it was like the early, Brittany started to take off with her thing and Justin started to take off with her thing. And me and Andrew were just sort of like, we want to be pop stars. Admittedly, we were trying to be too underground and too indie.

So we got involved with Earwolf. It became a different kind of pop star. It became like a different kind of pop phenomenon. We just, I just didn't, you got to grow up at a certain point. And I've seen the things that Christina Aguilera has done. I've seen the things that Bob Balaban has done. Just all the Disney kids. And I just go, oh, it's just sort of more of the same.

Just at a certain point, be an adult. Grow up. Grow up. Take the training wheels off. Quit playing dress up and quit doing your teapot song. Yeah. And actually strap on a pair of headphones and blow mags. Yeah, make some art.

Make some art. Make some true art. And that's what you've been doing lately. Now, you recently met, you got called in for a sit-down with sort of the next wave of young stardom. Yeah. Grumpy Cat. Yeah. Grumpy Cat. Yeah, Grumpy Cat. You know, this was really fun.

It was just fun. I'm very active on social media. To be honest with you, I write a couple of the tweets myself. Yeah. Most of the... I have some other people that write the tweets for me. You know, there's a whole... Well, when you've established a clear character like you have.

Yeah, exactly. That's the creative part of it. Anyone can then plug in dialogue. Yeah, so I have a couple of these guys. They have funny Twitter names or whatever. At Dog Moaner or whatever. At Piss Hitler 69. They're Twitter normos or whatever.

And they write some of the jokes to me. But I happen to be on Twitter myself. And I get a tweet from Grumpy Cat. And Grumpy Cat says to me, hey, why don't you... I'm a fan. I'm an admirer. I would love to

meet you. Now, this is a big deal for me because Grumpy Cat is hot right now. But it's good to know that he's looking ahead to, like, he wants the kind of longevity that you've had. He's looking for a mentor. Some of these young stars know their history. That's what it was. Yeah, that's what

it was. And that's what impressed me, is that Grumpy Cat would reach out and go, look, I don't want to make some of the same mistakes that I've seen some of these other, you know, kids make, I don't want to make some of the same mistakes that I've seen some of these other kids make. I don't want to fall – I got a good thing going right here. How do I stay on the course? So anyway, so I get this tweet and it says, will you meet me at a comic book store, Meltdown Comics in Los Angeles, Monday night, 7 p.m.

Now, I say absolutely. I love comics. That's the thing. I was like, what a fun, funky event. Yeah. What a fun, funky event. I don't care if it's weird and nerdy or whatever. Then call me a nerd.

Yeah, I guess I'm a big nerd then. Yeah. Guilty. I guess I'm a big nerd. Guys like, I mean, Frank Miller, I think, is like one of the all-time art geniuses. And also at this point, when guys like us are reading these things and just loving the worlds they create, it's like,

okay, well, maybe I'm a nerd, but I got an awful lot of money and pussy for a nerd. Yeah, thank you very much. Yeah, would a nerd be fucking this? No. No, it wouldn't. And for home listeners, Jake's pointing at a really hot piece of ass. Yeah, just a really hot piece of ass. Yeah. Just a really – you can just – thank you for – no, you're sweet.

Just go out on the couch. Do you have like an iPad she can play with? Do you have like – can I use one of your iPads? We've got like a Windows tablet. Okay, great. It's like, sweetie, it's a Surface. It's the same thing. I don't know how to fucking work it.

It's the same fucking, just, I'll be out. I'm sorry. Sorry. No problem. She's so sweet. She is so sweet. Anyway, yeah. Fucking comics are cool, all right?

Maybe being a nerd is the new cool. That's all I know. Sure. That's all I know. Sure. That's all I know. So anyway, so the cat wants to meet at a comic book store. I think that's funky. I think that's just a funky event because it's like, well, you know, people are going to show up. We're talking about this on social media.

You know what I mean? So I don't call ahead to meltdown comics or whatever. But they know. They're prepared. And they got like security and stuff. And there's already a mob of people yeah waiting uh and then it gets to be like you know i'm supposed to meet this cat like seven o'clock 701 no cat no grumpy cat so i get i get right on twitter i'm like hey grumpy cat it is 701 p.m where are you it says cat tweets me back one minute away traffic

i understand it's hard to get around. New to this city. Kat walks in. We have this great meeting. This great meeting. And it was just one of those great Hollywood moments. It was really just one of those great Hollywood moments. A passing of the torch.

Passing of the torch. Passing of the torch. And it was great. I had a nice chat with Grumpy Cat's manager, who's in an interesting world. Manages Grumpy Cat, manages Keyboard Cat. That's a unique space. Yeah, unique

space, yeah. Manages the Nyan Cat, which is interesting because it's a gif, you know, so there's a lot of money to be made there. And, you know just now we're just talking about just different ways that we could work together uh you know i uh you know they sent me the script for this grumpy cat movie and honestly they went a completely different way

with it i i would think let's do a light-hearted sort of family thing this it's a fucking uh you know it's touched upon in the movie Goodfellas, the Lutonza heist. Lutonza. I'm not pronouncing it right. I'm sorry. I'm not Italian. Okay. But they touch upon it in Goodfellas. But that was a real heist. It was a real heist. And what they're, you know,

I guess Grumpy Cat, and we'll talk about this, wants to do dramatic work. And it's this 70s heist film, which David O. Russell is attached to. And look, I ultimately, again, a lot of moving parts to get a movie made. I don't know that it's going to happen, but I would go with the family. These young guys, they want to shed that skin as soon as possible. Right.

And I relate to that. Like America's sweetheart or whatever. They want to be taken seriously as actors. yeah right i i just you know that's one of the projects that uh that grumpy cats got going on there's there's talk of this of some sort of lars von trier collaboration and i get and i get again i get it but it's like i i i want to sit down with grumpy cat and be like hey what are you fucking allergic to money? Like, what's – Okay. Oh, you want to go to the Cannes Film Festival?

Just go to the Cannes Film Festival. You got money. The thing I say to these kids, they want to do the Lars von Trier thing and, like, really push the envelope or whatever. I mean, my message to them is once the bing bong comes out, you can't put it back in. Thank you. You know what I mean? Especially in this day and age of Instagram. I get it.

I get it. I did it. I mean, the movie I made in 1999 with Harmony Korine, where I just, I just, it was just me fucking Santa Claus, you know? It was just me, you know, it was not obvious. And it was amazing to work with Jack Palance. He's a legend. But ultimately, I got wrapped up in Harmony's weird thing.

And it didn't buy me any credibility or do me any good. And what I would say to Grumpy Cat and some of these other young guns, make sure you know the rules before you try to break the rules. Thank you. Thank you. You know, do a cookie cutter holiday film first or something like that. We know you're grumpy, but also let's have a couple laughs. And then, yeah, go do your Bloodbath movie.

Look, you look at The Sandman, okay? And The Sandman, he did Billy Madison. He did Happy Gilmore. For a second, I thought you were talking about The Sandman comics, because I'm saying the comics. That is, I can't believe you know that that is one of the coolest. It's like he was channeling something. They can't make that movie, man. What an amazing dream.

I'm sorry to interrupt. What a dream world. I'm sorry to interrupt. I mean, talk about Sandler, but just that. Neil Gaiman creates a dream world. He truly, truly does. There's just some people who are just artists. And it's like, I don't even know what you're doing, but I love that you're doing it.

Sandler did Happy Gilmore, Billy Madison, and then he goes and fucks off and does the Paul Thomas Anderson thing, Punch Drunk Love. He'd earned it at that point. He'd gotten his money. He'd earned it. It's like, forget the money.

He showed everyone what he could do before he went out and sort of broke the mold. You've got to make the mold before you break the mold. The Dice man waited until he was in his 60s to do his Woody movie this year. I had an interesting experience on the set of

Ford Fairlane. I was in the movie and originally the character of Ford Fairlane Dice's hero, he had a son. He had a son. I was sort of movie, and originally the character of Ford Fairlane, Dice, is here. He had a son. He had a son. And I was sort of like, it was fun because I was a little kid and I was using some of the same language and the same mannerisms as Dice. So I was about 10 years old and I'm just like, oh! Yeah.

But in a much higher pitch. Yeah, I was like, oh! Which made it cuter. You know what I mean? Ha! It was just, when you have a little kid that's emulating the behavior of adults, it's funny. I really enjoyed that moment. And you're very modest about it.

But when you're smoking that cigarette, but then you chew it and blow a bubble with it. Thank you. Yeah. That was fun. That was improvised. I had just never really seen that before. That was improvised. Yeah, you could tell.

You could tell. I had just never really seen that before you could tell so you know that that experience was really great because I got to bond with Dice and I actually sort of tried my hand at

stand up I tried my hand well I mean I was just doing you did a little more than that come on it was only like 3000 seat venues or whatever it wasn't on the level this guy i tried well i mean i was just doing you did a little more than that i did well they were come on it was only like 3 000 seat venues or whatever it wasn't on the level of the dice man it was just you know like dice man would be at madison square garden i'd be at the you know felt form the theater at madison square okay but but and i but i was wearing my heroes on my sleeve

too much and i don't think that it is you know when you see a 12 year old kid in a red leather suit and it's just like hey delirious much and like it was just i was just wearing my my influences you running around like mispronouncing the n-word in kind of a cute way yeah just uh yeah i am i like there are certain things i look back on in my childhood i'm just just embarrassed by. Sure. I'm just like that. But at the time it was, I don't know if it's held up. No, it doesn't hold up. I'm not too proud to admit that that stuff does not. It was of the times and we were having fun. Yeah.

But you know, I would say that's in the past. You've moved on from that. Yeah. You've got something. You're here. You have a CBS sitcom coming out next fall. Yeah. The sitcom coming out next fall, The Foggy's Nest. The Foggy's Nest, yeah. It's three elderly victims of the recent man session get a condo together and get really

into... We start a revenge porn business. Thank you, yes. Yeah, we start a revenge porn business, which is. The best way to chip away. Yeah. It's a big man session. These guys are, you know, they're older guys.

We all end up together. I was working at a startup, you know, that just, you know, startup more like shut down. It was, you know, that's one of the jokes in the pilot. And thank you. And my startup goes belly up. These guys were all, you know, corporate guys, you know, General Electric, Halliburton, you know, they had careers and stuff, but, you know, they were either forced into retirement because they got too old or just, it just, women took their jobs. Women took their jobs.

So, so we get together and we start a revenge porn business which is called it's show that bitch.com yeah and what it is is like if you are you know slighted if you're a guy and stuff maybe you took some sexy photos of your girlfriend maybe maybe you didn't maybe it's just maybe it's a uh a girl you go to high school with uh and you hack her email and you and she you know what i mean we don't care how we get the photos because honestly, it's user submitted.

We're not legally liable for anything. We start this revenge porn business and it takes off. It just becomes like the biggest thing. It's really satisfying

that you're not really sure whether or not it's going to go and then when it does blow up, it's really fun because it is true. You get that one picture that just breaks it wide open and it's such a great idea for a show because you're tying it's really fun because it is true. Yeah, they get that one picture that just breaks it wide open.

And it's such a great idea for a show because you're tying it in with your actual revenge porn site. Yes, thank you. Yeah, I started that thing as a hobby. You know, I'm sort of like Ashton Kutcher in that way. I love tech. I love technology and I love brainstorming. It's just like there's nothing better than – And you're a shutterbug.

And I'm a shutterbug. Tech is the next. It's what's next. Yeah. Like it really is. Tech is the new thing. Tech is right around the corner. You can hear the little footstep. And it's coming.

That is coming. And it's going to be here. In a big, big way. I agree. I agree. It's going to change a lot of stuff. And it's on its way to doing that. I just, you know, I love gadgets. Yeah yeah you know what i mean so cool it's just like

all right again a lot of people think you know uh you call me a nerd but when like a new sono system comes out i gotta have it right away you know what i mean or the new iphone or whatever i just you know and thankfully i'm in a position, because I'm not going to wait on the line with all those people. And so thankfully I'm in a position where usually they just send me it. They just send me it. Sure. So I love gadgetry and I love brainstorming and I love a webinar and I love just getting in there and just sort of like thinking outside of the box

with some of these great tech minds. Yes. And, you know know so as a hobby as a hobby i had a couple of guys i said listen this what if there's a website where a guy and like just like uh because we all get there we're all angry what if there's a website where a guy can i don't know upload a photo of some dummy that he tricked. And I really appreciate you

fighting back a little bit because you see it in your show, but it is really true. I'm seeing Ellen Barkin a little bit every now and then and sometimes she'll stay over and I'll come downstairs and she'll be like where's my breakfast? And I just kind of look. If there was a camera there, I'd look right at it and just be like, where's my breakfast? And I just kind of look.

If there was a camera there, I'd look right at it and just be like, what is, like, has the world gone completely crazy? Like, this is upside down. I didn't know you were dating Ellen Markin. I used to see her. Yeah, she talked about you. Yeah. That's interesting.

She's a nice woman. She's very nice. And it's not just her. Right. At first, she's nice nice woman. She's very nice. And it's not just her. Right. At first, she's nice. Yeah. People have told me that I'm enjoying, you know, we're just having fun, honestly.

Keep it light. We're having a good time. She would say the same thing. It's not just me. You're just like. We're just having a good time right now. She starts out nice. It turns after a while

it turns again it's your life have fun enjoy it while but it's true and they're going to jobs what it is is there's something satisfying

for I think for the end user of the website. When they put up a photograph of some girl that they were with and she's in a state of undress. There's something so satisfying for the end user of the website. If they know, oh my God, that photo, her boss is going to see it. Her parents are going to see it. Her parents are going to see it. Her friends, her family, everyone.

She's going to be embarrassed. And she deserves it because she committed a sexual act. Remember that. Yes, thank you. For the end user, that is an invaluable experience. How do you put a price on that? How do you put a price on it? How do you put a price on it? But you have managed.

I've managed, yeah. And, you know, it's so great when it's just a little hobby. I mean, that thing is, you know, making me – I'll tell you this. I'm making more off of the actual revenge porn site than I am off of the show. Isn't that amazing? And that should tell you everything about the state of our industry today. It's like how with Glee they had the – Yeah, they make more of the concerts. They sell the show. Isn't that amazing? And that should tell you everything about the state of our industry today. It's like how with Glee

they had the Yeah, they make more of the concerts. They sell the songs and the concerts. Yeah. And you have your songs in your porn site.

It's unbelievable. Every day I feel blessed. We do want to reach into the Popcorn Gallery just for Sure. Just for a minute.

We have some some user submitted questions for you okay uh let's let's reach deep inside this uh this bag of popcorn oh i ripped the bottom of the bag the popcorn's falling out it's like uh it's like a michael winslow yeah uh good stuff this is a question we did speak on this a little bit earlier that you are part of the

Earwolf family with us yeah this is a question from Hagplant Parmesialics and that question

is Jake what do you think your part is in the third wave podcast movement and how do you deal with the internal

earwolf politics i know you have a lot of a lot of thoughts on this it's really interesting first of all i don't think third wave podcasting gets talked about a lot uh and i'm always speak on that yeah i'm always happy to just because you had the uh the cb yeah the first wave podcasting which was essentially yes citizens band radio which was, you know, charming. It was charming. And it was sort of the first sort of ways that we realized, oh, anybody can communicate with anybody over the open airwaves. And, you know, I remember being enamored with that when I was a kid. And being into like trucker comedy.

Just trucker. Yeah, just like, you know, everybody had their trucker name. Yep. Wheeze. Flogger. Sure. Donny Dave Dave. Boat Show. Just cool trucker names. Everybody had one.

Mine was Big Jacket. Big Jacket because you always had the Big Jacket, right? That was part of it. Mine was Jake Bagelnuts. Jake Bagelnuts, yeah. Yeah, it was Jake Bagelnuts. That's a moving thing. I'm giving myself away as a fan. Thank you. I thank you for that. But I was Jake Bagelnuts. Anyway,

you know, that was first wave podcasting. Okay. Second wave podcasting, the tech boom. You know what I mean? Your guys like Adam Curry, the original troll, the original patent troll. He was like, hey, man, I was on MTV. These guys don't own MTV.com.

I'm going to buy that, which is great. He was a troll. I love it. I love trolling. I love online troll culture. I love it. It's really fun. It's fun.

So guys like doing that, and that's just a bunch of you know tech guys talking to other tech guys you know it was all podcasts about podcasts and stuff you know like hey how do we get this out to people how does this work

beep boop boop boop I'm a nerd like real nerd stuff not like cool nerd stuff like we were talking about like comic books not like rage comics and like the cool

not cool internet like yeah like FU you know what I mean all those things yeah they probably don't know about that stuff. Yeah.

It's underground internet humor and stuff. It's like, it's fun and cool. Anyway, but then what happened is, you know, those, you know, on the backs of those, you know, true nerds, podcasting became like a thing. Yeah. And third wave podcasting is where you got, you know, seven or eight of the best alternative comedians.

Mm-hmm. And they just go on each other's podcasts. You know, just like, hey, Kumail, it's me, Doug Benson.

Come on my show. Hey, Doug Benson, it's Kumail. Come on my show. Hey, it's Scott Aukerman. What are you doing today, Paul F. Tompkins? Come on my show. Hey, scott ackerman uh what are you doing today paul f tompkins come on my show hey it's paul f tompkins what are you doing today uh larry the cable guy come on my show hey larry the kid you know it's just like it's it's it's and i you know with my background

you know who my dad is i was able to muscle my way in and say hey you guys want this thing to take off yeah this little uh this little nebulous that you have it's real cute some dudes on the av club or whatever they know about it you want to you want to bring some real heat bring some real attention to it you need to bring in somebody in the in the hollywood mainstream yes and they you know we all got together at Adam Carolla's house. And Adam was like, you know, he's right.

He's right. I know, it's a little bit of an impression. He's right. We need somebody to take this to the next level. That's Matt Besser. He then jumped in and said,

we need someone to take this to the next level. And Marin agreed. And it was just sort of, you know. What did that sound like? He was just like, unlock the gates. We got to get, we should get Fogelmest in here to take this to the next level. Okay. Yeah.

And it was just sort of, and then there you have it. Third-wave podcasting was born. What's my role in it? Den mother. Gatekeeper. Patton Oswalt talks about the gatekeepers. And there aren't any anymore. It's like we're in this – it's all a democracy and stuff.

Everybody can put anything online. It is true. Anyone can be successful whenever they want. Anybody, yes. Anybody can be – but they want. Anybody, yes. But there are secret gatekeepers. I think we know that there are secret gatekeepers, and I'm proud to be one of the secret gatekeepers.

And Patton doesn't know about them because we don't want him to know. Yeah, we don't want him to know. We want him thinking that we don't exist. The gates are all open. Yeah, Patton, the gates are all open. It should be safe for me to walk in here. Go right over there and then, yeah. A little more. Put your special out for me.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, Patton. No, but seriously, you know. It's coming. Put your specials out for $5. Have fun. Do it. Five bucks. Yeah.

Really. Yeah. How about this? $ Yeah. How about this? $10. How about that? They're not even thinking that far ahead. They're not even thinking that far ahead. It's not time yet.

Not time. Well, Jake, this has been very enlightening. What a conversation from a real lifer in the business. We just appreciate it so much. I feel blessed. Yeah. in the business. We just appreciate it so much. I feel blessed. I wake up every morning and I just feel... Hold on one second.

Did you break it? Did you break... Fucking idiot. Guys, I'm sorry. I don't know what... She poured coffee on me. I've got a box of them. Okay, because I'm happy

to get you another one okay yeah I'll get you I'll just get you I'll just get you guys a couple of the Microsoft surfaces fucking

spilled coffee all over it it's fucking I don't think it was we all need coffee I don't think she knew it was hot I'm embarrassed she knows she's hot

that's all no I think she took a sip of the coffee thinking it was cold I was watching she thought it was cold and then she spit it out. She was scared.

Yeah. She should be scared. I have fun. So thanks so much for coming by, Jake. Yeah. And it's been great. Guys, rate us on iTunes. Like us on Facebook.

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