Hollywood Handbook - Vic Michaelis and Matt Apodaca, Our Improv Friends

Episode Date: November 28, 2023

Old school improviser Hayes works with the new generation VIC MICHAELIS and MATT APODACA to create a groundbreaking improv show.Get a Hat Pack Hat here!Watch the video of today’s episode at Patreon.com/TheFlagrantOnes. Like the show? Rate Hollywood Handbook 5-Stars on Apple PodcastsAdvertise on Hollywood Handbook via Gumball.fm Get an Exclusive NordVPN deal at https://nordvpn.com/hollywoodhandbook. It’s risk-free with Nord’s 30-day money-back guarantee! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Podcast. So, house rules, like, pretty basic. Sean just wants me to, like, run through. Okay. Just, like, the basic stuff. Like, have fun for sure. Like, make a mess. Go crazy.

Make a mess, go crazy. But do, like, clean up afterwards. Okay. Like, it's kind of like a leave no trace uh policy here you can flush anything okay uh it's not one of those places that's like weird about like what you what we don't flush okay this type of whatever you can flush whatever you want just like let him know he has been playing around with like what what what what you can flush okay and so he will want to know just itemize it you know and there's a yeah sorry

is voice not okay dry there's a dry erase board in there okay and so like don't flush that but like right no like you can't you can flush it but i guess like get a new one okay then it sort of has to start the research over, because it's, like, it's gone at that point. I guess then do a voice note for what was on the board. Okay. So you can recreate it, but then add dry erase board. Gotcha.

You don't have, like, an Amazon wish list or something like that that we can just click? Or do we have to physically go in person and grab them? He does have an Amazon wish list. I mean, like, yes, but that's all stuff that, like, he will want to be flushed immediately. Gotcha. Like, stuff that he's been kind of curious about whether it'll go down.

And is this, like, a continuation kind of of, like, the will it blend sort of thing, or is it just, like, his own sort of separate? He doesn't know about that. He doesn't know about any he doesn't know about any uh any shows or movies or anything okay this uh he he just wants to see what stuff can fly i think that's like a tiktok is that off the table as well sort of for knowledge base i i don't think like i don't think this is for anything else other than...

It's very... And he doesn't want anyone to be there when he's doing it. And so he gets shy if there's other people in there with him. Oh, yeah. He's so shy. Yeah. Copy. I haven't met him, so this is good to know.

And yeah. And he said you weren't going to. Yeah. Okay. So... I was curious. I thought I saw him leaving, but I haven't seen him in person. So I wasn't sure if it was like,

he did leave. He, and it's not you. It's, it is you in a way, but like, that's hard to hear. He has,

uh, made, he said he wouldn't be able to keep his new year's resolution if you were here today, which is a commitment to nonviolence. Oh, but that, but that is, it's more of a matt thing yeah may i ask for clarification on that there's just this sense that you are like can like having performed with okay so the way it

works with sean and matt is gotcha it's on site it. It's on site, but it's never Matt that is, like, essentially the victim. It's whoever is next in Sean's life. You know what I mean? I see. It's like six degrees

of Kevin Bacon, but one degree of Matt. And it follows. And it follows. It's like builds up and builds up and then it's whoever it, like,

lays eyes on next is, like, he puts him on the is like, he puts him on the mat. I understand. Is how he thinks of it. And so that commitment, like this year, is very

powerful. So this New Year's resolution is coming to an end. It's not sort of like an early start. No, it's like he basically he feels like the interaction with Matt today would potentially carry over his his violence. The spree he would go on into into the new year. I understand.

The last time and this was tough because I was I was in Sean's presence this year. Yeah. And I was here with Wysocki actually. And he it's Jacob Wysoop i mean like yeah like we know he's like a well-known enough guy yeah but i don't think like everyone here is like oh waizaki is like he's awesome i like him yeah like i don't think we're just like dropping waizaki we all like him we all we all i we all he's awesome at minimum like him yeah sure yeah but i don't you know i just like let let's explain to.

Jacob Wysocki. Yeah, Jacob Wysocki. Yeah. Who he is and stuff. Yeah, he's an improviser, comedian, actor. Improv, man. Yeah. It's crazy, huh?

It's crazy right now. It's kind of crazy right now. I think it kind of depends. Yeah. Personally. Talk about that a little more. Well, I honestly always view improv mostly as an acting exercise so i think personally for me it's about uh it's like an onion it's unveiling truth right

and so at its core this is the new vibe huh what do you mean it's just different from when i was i was coming up what were you guys doing we would get in like when was that the 70s coming up what were you guys doing we would get in like when was that the 70s so we yeah it's the 1990s 70s old ass thanks very much that's so crazy i was like three i know i mean and it is generational right and i understand like i like you make room for new ways of doing things and basic so the way i see it is thank you for making a lot of room for us too no absolutely i didn't even know you did improv actually that is what and i was doing it for you at the time and i knew i was doing that yeah like i was very very conscious of what i was leaving for the next generation great and we were like we thought of it like it was a job right we were very like lunch pail about it we were like going down in the mines.

We had our like our little like sandwiches. Yeah. Yeah. We were like sitting out on the beam, just horking sandwiches. But we didn't give a shit about the money. Right. Yeah. Right.

And so then like honestly, then Matt shows up. Right. And he sees. Well, there we can agree. Yeah. Right. At some point, Matt shows up. Yeah. It's undeniable there was improv there was there's improv now and there was improv before but we can all agree that at some point i showed up improv was not happening yeah like he killed it

yes he straight up like in attempting to commercialize it. Yeah. That's what he did. Yeah. With, I mean, like, there was his idea. He called it improv all over the place. Yeah. Yeah. Which is, like, very reminiscent. I guess he thought that, like, improv everywhere is, like, an East Coast thing that West Coast people wouldn't know about. I thought it was proprietary. He had this idea called improv all over the place.

Theater teams, like theater sports. A straight rip of theater sports called theater teams like theater sports a straight rip of theater sports theater teams yeah no i i was always i did i don't want to spend any time in court so i was just really trying to find a way to sort of like making my own thing but reminiscent enough you know i could have gone all the way and called it you know not improv everywhere an improv everywhere parody or something like that if i was really trying to what also feels like improv nowhere it was right there yeah yeah no fuck um yeah i hadn't even okay i don't i can't that's that's huge right now like like it's all about making money no like way of actually doing so no i remember going into i had

a general at one point and i walked into uh this office and i wrote improv on a whiteboard and then i wrote an s after the end of it and then two lines through it to make it a dollar sign that was kind of my big is that how generals used to work when you were doing generals back in the day? We, so like when I go in, it's specific. You know what I mean? What do you mean by that? There's an agenda and I have a, like, I have a show, like, it's not, I'm not just here to talk.

You know what I mean? It's not general at all. Like, I actually have a really good idea. Specifics. Yeah. They say to Hayes, do you want to come in for a specific? Yes.

Yeah, that's cool. And yeah, my idea was a show about... Six friends hanging out? Six friends, but they're all like Disney characters. Oh, okay. Famous Disney characters. Yeah. And so instead, it's like,

and it's the main ones, too. It's not like... Lilo and Stitch's sister. Yeah, LeFou. It's not like that.ilo and Stitch's sister. Yeah, LeFou. It's not like that. Oh, I see. Wait, is that the name of the sister? No, LeFou is Gaston's friend.

Yeah, Gaston's friend. Right. No, it's like Mickey Mouse, Minnie Mouse, Donald Duck. Goofy. Daisy Duck, Goofy, Pluto. The straight up main... The main six. The main six ones.

Like the clubhouse? Yeah, sort of like a club. But it isn't a very friends, like adult. It's for our generation grown up, but these characters that we love, they're growing up with us. Mickey has a job, kind of. He goes to work.

Kind of, exactly. Yeah, kind of. Even when he wants to. But it's like gig economy stuff. Yeah, yeah. What did they say? They said, this freaking kicks ass. Yeah, they liked it.

Yeah, they were like, this is fucking awesome. When was this meeting? That's incredible. When was this meeting? Yeah, it was this reason. 1997. Oh, great. Yes.

Okay. So it never came out. Friends was happening, like, sort of at the time. Well, and I feel like that probably would have been the time to sell something like that if i'm being honest because i feel like after that it was like thing after thing after thing where they're like how do we recreate friends how do we recreate friends and it feels like that would have been the time for it exactly and it but it was never with like characters that we actually that are really famous and like already make like

like the work is done do you think it's true that the drake song no new friends sort of put the kibosh on like any type of like friends reboot or like we don't really see that kind of show anymore there are shows where no one's i mean i guess like how's that song go like he's like kind of again it's like it's like the waizaki thing instead of just like bringing up like here's a song like how how does it go see and this is the type of thing that like if sean if sean was here so just say you don't know i don't know how it goes but sean would back me up and probably say i think that's what happened you think sean you think sean would he'd back you up right. I think Sean would back me up at the very least.

He'd back you up. Yeah. Straight in the wall. Arm, arm bar. Actually, he'd use his four leg. Yeah. Instead of his forearm. Okay.

Yeah. Because it's like. He's kind of bored of the arm stuff. That's stronger. So he would pick up his leg. He didn't skip leg day. Put it under your neck. Yeah. And yes, he'd back you up.

Matt, this makes me a little bit worried for you, that you'd rather have somebody come in and beat the shit out of you just to have somebody sort of be in your corner. You've got to take him where you can get him, I guess. And it's tough that he's going to absolutely wallop my little ass and just beat me. But at least he understands. He gets Drake at least.

I want to refocus attention to to vick a little bit thank you vick michaels or you don't do vick michaels uh well i do michaelis because that's my name you changed it yeah okay i think for hollywood they said store we're leaving that so basic my understanding is they said to you, art is cotton balls. Art is pipe cleaners. Yeah, well, that makes sense that that's your understanding. I think for me, like Michael's mostly is about that little room where they do sort of displays on like how to knit a little dog and things like that. That little room, yeah. And little birthday parties and things like that things they don't show it to everyone but yeah i think people don't realize that before

it'll be like hey come back in check out this little world yes and that is really i think at the end of the day where the money is yeah so i think for me that is what i think when i think of michaels and i don't want to be associated with that you got the fuck out of there yeah yeah you know i think it's like one of those things of Michael's and I don't want to be associated with that. You got the fuck out of there. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think it's like one of those things where it's like people don't want to be held down by the sins of their parents. Right.

And I don't want to be held down by the sins of a corporation that doesn't necessarily hold my values anymore. Yeah. And, and so you, you, it's new generation, right?

It's a new generation of improv. Yeah. You all are out here. It's just sort of like planting seeds in the ashes of what matt did really because that that's so that's fertile soil right like and it's supposed to burn yeah it's like the it's like the shopper all yeah every seven years somebody comes like torches it so bad they sort of close the theater annihilates everything that lives yeah yes it was so bad that they decided to close down one of the main hubs ucb sunset which is a big theater in la and they said we need to start over um we need to sort of clear nothing out of the air here yeah and so i think um what was your question i guess i heard it got to new

york too that burning it all down my act my acts here shut it down in new york as well your acts yeah my my my yeah my antics yeah i've heard that i think that feels that rings true yeah i guess part of my intention was getting everyone in here to try and bring back some of what was was lost but not all like we're not trying to just like restore like just go back to the old thing yeah we can't like we we have to build something new yeah and who better to do that but the og sure the new g that's me and the guy who yeah the off-timer ruined everything the tipping point destroyed it yeah i think that that's a really wonderful um perspective to have on that and so i guess my question is like moving forward um did you have any ideas of what that's going to look like? Yeah, I have some really funny ideas actually. I'm open to it. I'm

sort of locked in at a lot of places. I'm performing like what, like seven, eight, nine times a week. How many nights a week are you performing right now? Nights. That's so interesting that you think you could only perform at night. I perform every single morning okay because that's when that's when the most of the cars are on the road

right that's when like everyone's going to work and like that's when people like need a boost and also that's when they have the most

change in their cup holder yeah right because like they're spending it over the course of the day they're tossing change out

yes for the performers out on the road you gotta get in there early if you want to get the good change yes so I'm doing improv when they're stopped at the light and I

yeah and that extends it's just so interesting that that's how you're doing it. And I'm donezo. Because I had a similar, that was my complete thesis for improv all over the place. We've got to get out there. We've got to get there on the roads. We're going to get these pennies. And guess what?

They add up. Yes. Sure. End of the day, we're making like three or four bucks. It's pretty nice. It's not nothing. Yeah, but not enough to put into a coin star no no no they don't let you yeah it's too heavy that's the fee

the fee you're walking away with 150 get a gamestop gift card really you can if you if you convert any coin star monies into a gift card the fee is i think a lot less or none oh that's actually a really good tip. Yeah, get a gift card. Okay. You know, you can go to Panera Bread. You can go to, you know, Aldi or whatever it is, you know? Yeah.

And that was your big partnership for improv all over the place, huh, was Panera Bread. Yeah, Panera. Yeah. And, you know, we had a bit of a complication recently. Well, I heard you pitched doing all those new different kinds of macaroni and cheese. We did the new Macs. We did the new... See, but what was improv about that, I guess, is my question. I think that was everybody's question.

I was reading the forums. People didn't really understand. I think there wasn't really like a flash mob element to it. So you'd like pitching new kinds of macaroni and cheese. And I will say it seemed to be a big tipping point for the company where all of a sudden- Yeah, no. It started to go pretty downhill from there.

It started to go pretty downhill, and they became less known for their bread and more for some of their other items. Like what? Oh, you know. Soup. Okay. Sure, that's one.

I did have this idea for this crazy lemonade that they had a hard time with pretty recently. Yeah. It was pretty good when I tried it, but I got in there in the mac and cheese space. I got in there, and you're probably thinking came in with like a list of ideas or something right not so i was i was making that i was making all that shit up and they ate it up yeah they loved it they they put bacon in the mac and cheese they put it was one of your ideas yeah they had a broccoli cheddar mac and cheese at one point they ate it up and i said guys save some for everybody yeah yeah they got so hungry when i said guys save some for everybody yeah yeah yeah

they got so hungry when i was talking yeah and they i was like guys you gotta put this out on the floor no they couldn't sell because they ate it all they ate it all up and they said it was really really good they liked they liked what i was working with a white cheddar mac kind of sounding like that's actually maybe where one of your talents lies yeah and like coming up with like crazy foods that's probably sure when you say one of your talents are we sure are we sure that that's where one of the talent lies are we just sure i mean one of the talents implies something implies multiple yeah which is like there there might there there are is at least one other one I bet we could find one other one. Do your parents like you?

Yeah, I'm a hit with my parents and others as well. Two. Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah, then Sean would say, you're a hit with me too. Yeah, then he'd start slapping. Yeah. Yeah. And it would be very funny, to be fair.

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like because my brain is like so well rested from not being confused, my body is able to run that much harder. I don't know if this happens. It's able to get exercise. I mean, I'm able to be in here because like the mind is so registering what's happening. You're doing mental gymnastics.

Quivering every single muscle. Like that's what I'm able to focus on. I don't know if this happens in general when people get older, but you're doing mental gymnastics quivering every single muscle like that's that's what i'm able i don't know if this happens in general when people get older but you're talking so much and like none of it is making sense so you're on your david byrne era you're not saying like any words that like make sense together but that's what i'm saying you don't under like this you're the one that's confused can we get this man a water you know what i mean i do not i do not ever have water you don't drink water at all at all no i don't have it i don't just not drink it i don't have it so you're like the dosekis guy i don't have any of that yes you stay thirsty yes you just drink

alcohol so he doesn't just drink alcohol he He just doesn't drink anything. Yeah. So finish your story. I'm just like, do not, don't worry about me. Okay, great. Yeah. Well, you know, if you want to interrupt me again, I guess that's fine. I actually do know. So you get it.

So you get it. I do know. Right. Okay. So for me. This plant grew. So much. Like it's growing over the course of the thing. Do you think it's because of how humid your body has been?

So it's sort of. Well, I think it is like an energy that we can create. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Like. Is that an Audrey 2 that we got over there? An Audrey.

An Audrey 2? An Audrey Tattoo. Audrey 2? See. Her name is Audrey. Her name is Audrey Tattoo. Her name is not Audrey 2. Okay.

No. I think it's happening. Where sort of his brain is going? I think so. Yeah, yeah. Audrey Tattoo from Little Store of Scaries. Yeah, yeah. No, Audrey Tattoo is... You should write that down, actually. Little Store of Scaries?

To dismiss what Audrey Tattoo brought us, like the magic she injected in the world where every little thing we're seeing, like things that seemed very normal and pedestrian now are like little characters. Well, if you don't mind me sort of using that to loop back into what I'm doing and where I'm performing for improv. Yes, that was my question. That actually really inspired, that is like sort of the crux of what I'm doing these days in the improv space, as I like to call it.

It's sort of like, what is performance, I think is the big question. What is a stage? So what are the theaters? Like what are the actual theaters? I think the better question is what is not a theater? Okay. You know what I'm saying?

Like, yes. Am I performing in a traditional space? Sometimes. Have I auditioned for teams to be on sort of like a more regular, like traditional. Does it have like an address? Like, is there a cross street? Absolutely. Okay.

What is it? Yes. Like, is there a cross street? Absolutely. Okay. What is it? The cross street would be sort of like, you know, like one road and another road. Right.

And then I am sort of in the middle there. And it just is ever evolving. You're in the middle of the cross street. Sometimes. You're in the middle of the intersection. I think for me, it is like, what is performance? Very similar to my work who is very but that's what i knew i was doing like i knew like that was the entire intention well i knew i was paving the way for other people that's literally well here's what i'll say is like

your performance is a start what you're saying is here's what i'll say basically i'll say and then what i'm saying is listen because i'm flipping it in reverse and then it's for me to say right because for me it's like i there is no you have a start and an end to your performance, right? Rush hour to end of rush hour. And for me, it's like, it doesn't stop. I think that's it. It's part of grind culture, right?

Where it's like, you got to keep working. You got to take the money where you can get it. And if you are always improvising, every single dollar you make in your entire life comes from improv right when i'm working at a restaurant that's me improvising right and i'm making money improvising that is my five to six o'clock show that i'm doing you know what i'm saying right so it does sound like we are gonna need a new space yeah that actually i think would be great it'd be nice to have sort of like a regular home, as I want to refer to it. And UCB, like, I think that brand is toxic. Paying people straight up did not work.

Yes. Like, we need to walk that back. I just think different hedge funds should get involved, I think. I think instead of the one that it currently is, let's get one of the big boys in there. How about Oops All Hedge Funds? Oops All Hedge Funds, that's pretty nice. There's one performer and then eight hedge funds sort of that take nightly blocks.

Yeah, that's cool. Get Halliburton on Thursdays or something, right? That'd be fun. Yeah, that's cool. I'm interested. Yeah, that's cool. I'm interested. Yeah, that's like, it's an idea. Right. It's at least an idea. Well, we can make the hedge fund sort of compete for spots on nights, I think would be fun to fund the evening. Audition hedge fund. That's interesting. Yeah, sort of turn it on them a little bit. Yeah. Yeah.

Commercial retail, like retail's doing okay residential's doing okay commercial like downtown business districts this is where I think the opportunity is potentially and every one of these like big high rises like is you know like no one wants to go to work anymore

everyone is like WFH still everyone got a dog everyone had a dog. Everyone had a dog during the pandemic. Yeah. I'm in a meeting right now. Actually, I'm at Trader Joe's. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. And so how can we take advantage of this opportunity? For fire purposes, every one of these buildings needs a stairwell. Oh, interesting. needs a stairwell oh interesting these stairwells are like pretty like underutilized because like no one wants to like nobody wants to work anymore everyone got a dog everyone got a dog yeah like the dog like dogs can go upstairs but not down so like yeah no they cannot go down and so and all these like all these kids like like the dog has to come to work yeah because

it's like medicine like the dog is technically the dog is medicine yeah prescribed so i wonder like we would have to figure out ways to work it into the performance but finding ways to make stairs like a huge part of what we're doing. And I'm already thinking like Austin Powers. Well, so the thing with Austin Powers, what Austin Powers was missing was sort of a brand of performance that he created was he was like going up and down. That was his thing.

I'm thinking exactly what you're about to say. He would go behind the couch and he would like be going downstairs. Yes. You know what I mean? That is kind of like if you had to really dilute Austin Powers to his base thing, that's his main thing. And that was 97.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. That's what we were all pulling off of was Austin Powers being behind the couch. I'm just going to have to believe you. And suddenly he's going downstairs. Sure. You are going to have to believe me.

Because I don't really have a lot of memories from that time. Sure. I was so young. Yeah. No, you have to believe literally everything that I'm saying. Believe men. You have to believe men. Yes.

Yeah, you do keep shouting that at me. Yes. What if there were actually stairs there? Are you okay? Is my question. You know what I mean? If there were stairs behind the couch. Well, no.

I mean, so like that's. That's not what he was saying at all. Well, wait, no. That is what he's saying, I think. Wait a second. I think this actually could work. So we put the couch there. Yeah.

Next to the stairwell. Next to stair. Have the audience on like a riser on the lower landing. So they're seeing us go up and down stairs behind the couch, but there are actually stairs back there. So we're talking about creating a full performance space in sort of like a vertical situation. And you know what?

I think that that translates really well. I don't know if you're going to know this, so stick with me for a second. A lot of people watch videos on their phones in sort of a vertical landscape right now. And so we're really just translating that from the phone, from the audiovisual medium to a physical medium. That's really interesting. And gravity could be a huge factor in a way that it's like very rarely is in a lot of the shows that I'm seeing.

Gravity could be really big in this space, I think. That's a good idea. Sure. Can I ask what shows you've been seeing recently? So I saw a show that was called Outer Space Show. Okay. And this show, everyone is pretending to be, and it's fake, right?

It's pretend. Of course. Yes. But like. That's how it should be. You should be going up on stage and just playing pretend. That's how it's supposed to feel. And people, like, they get someone from the audience to tell their craziest story or even just a normal story like the most amazing trip that they had to outer space

so we're getting somebody on stage and they're either telling their craziest story or they're just normal who's got a story crazy or normal anybody raise their hand but they can make something out of anything you know what I mean like that's their unfortunately no one had

gone to outer space and so no one was able to get up and provide like a story. So like. The one day Richard Branson shows up, they're going to be so excited because he's been there before. But he's not going to want to talk. Like he's there to like. He's too shy. Yes.

He's notoriously shy. He's really. And he's there to kind of learn how to engage with people. Like going to shows. Like studying that. to kind of learn how to engage with people, like going to shows, like studying that. Well, and so this was actually a big point that I wanted to bring up. I think the

biggest obstacle to performing these days is training the audience how to watch the show. And so I actually think that we need some sort of licensing to allow people to come into the audience, I think is going to be the next sort of step. People are used to like, oh, oh like two minute clips on my phone or whatever and they're not used to sitting in the audience and watching something and what if so this is interesting maybe

the problem wasn't just paying performers like maybe the audience needed to be paid as well yes because they're like we're if we're trying to train them up we're asking them to do work they're wfh they got dogs it's like they don't understand what it's like to actually like sit in a crowd and like not be like making coffee at the same time you know what i'm saying yes and i know that's labor like we need them to contribute their labor for this yes like we like yes if we want to get something we have to give something i know a lot of people who have said to me out loud, you couldn't pay me to watch improv. Yes, and it's like, well, what if? And I'm like, actually, what if there was actually money, though?

What if we actually could? Yeah, what if it was hourly or a flat rate? But they just said that you couldn't. Yeah, but they haven't seen the money. They haven't seen the money. Right. Yeah. They haven't seen the money.

What are you doing? I'm just saying if we had the money and showed it to them, they might actually take the money and get paid to watch improv. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's a thought. That's for sure. So we have the space.

We have a stairwell. It's vertical. There's gravity. It can be like sort of flipping between like the landing and like you go down to a different landing they're on a riser i'm just trying to figure out how the audience is going to be able to track what's going on as we're moving up and downstairs like how they're going to be able to see where they're going to be maybe they are okay at the very top of the stairwell. Sure.

Facing down. Yeah. You know what I mean? So they're strapped in. Yeah. So now they can see the entire proscenium, right? Yeah, the proscenium. Like they can see the whole thing. Yeah.

Well, it's going to be a proscenium arch, I think. Okay, we'll have to get an arch in there yeah my my biggest concern now is if they throw up you think they're gonna last so hard tower terror style movement from i mean even just like lying face down like strapped in sure and it might not have anything to do with like it might just be something else it might be really sick they could be really sick you know and so they could throw up and that that's going to go all down on me like you know like the performers well and maybe this is my style maybe this is not something that they were doing in your day because there's no cell phones but like you know when a cell phone goes off in the audience or something like that it's that idea of

like use it and so for me i'm like the throw up is not just somebody being sick it's a gift actually that we're getting as performers how do we use that in the art right so you would want to bring a box or something so you could catch it maybe if that's sort of where the scene is going you know maybe i'm moving and then i sort of move the box over and it catches the throw up and then all of a sudden oh oh, there's weight to that box. Is it just physical weight or can I put some emotional weight into that too? You know what I'm saying? Say something like, oh, this box

is so heavy. What happened? So we throw up in this and then everybody sort of like gets they're in on it too because they know that somebody threw up. Well, they already saw that. They already knew that. What happened? Somebody threw up in this box, I think. Right. But is that so i guess it feels like style of all different things you could do that is what happened like that is actually what happened and everyone did already see that but then they could

laugh at it because they like people like this is the thing that like i think we're all just coming at this from a slightly different angle people like to laugh at stuff that they know. There are so many comedians that just like say stuff and they're like, I know what that is actually. And I'm going to laugh because I know what that is. Okay. Yeah. They just like don't even have any jokes.

They kind of just say stuff. So I think maybe what would be good for you is like narrating audio books because then it's like you're physically reading a book and it says that exactly and then you're just repeating it. it sounds like maybe you would think that was the funniest thing in the world i mean i'd like to hear it at the very least but you know it's it's not literally the opposite of what of what you would be there to do i guess you're you are supposed to be saying everyone else is supposed to be hearing it but the doing it the doing of it isn't So you want someone

to record the audio book I'm saying as a fan for you to listen to and then repeat Okay, here's what I'm thinking. Matt has a copy of the book. He's reading along

as somebody is recording the audio for the audio book. I'm laughing my ass off. Yeah, that's hilarious. So that's sort of what I was thinking you might say. That's so funny. Now I'm sort of concerned like...

Do you know what an audiobook is? Yes. Okay. I know what an audiobook is. I'm just checking. It's not on vinyl. No, it's on the reel-to-reels. I wanted to check because I would say you look like my grandpa,

but that feels really unfair to my grandpa. He's in such good shape. Your grandpa's hot. Thank you for saying that. Hot grandpa. We had so many other grandpas. But most of them were fugly. Like, that was kind of the idea, right?

Was like, grandpa's fugly. Well, that's where the comedic, and I don't want to step on you here, but that is where I think for me, when I'm constructing a joke, that is where the comedy comes from. It's like, like oh you know cindy's new boyfriend is coming and then you get like an ugly grandpa yes yeah right and it's just like it just is funny yeah that just is undeniably funny you know somebody's probably like grandpa's so ugly they're saying it out your hot grandpa's not funny no no no no he is not funny at all he is so rich right Right. Yeah. From crafts.

Yeah. From the little dog. Yeah. I don't want to talk about that anymore, actually. I sort of feel like I've now come past that and I've created a name for myself, which is different from Michael's. And I want to build upon that. So if you have any questions about me as a person that are non-craft related, I would love to answer them.

I had a lot. I did ask them already. Okay. You're done with all the questions? All the questions about her from not the crafts. person that are non-craft related i would love to answer i had a lot i did ask them already okay you're done with all the questions all the questions about her from not the craft i have a lot more questions about the craft right okay yeah if you need to get them out of your system i will give you two craft questions which i will answer with yes or no answers okay i'm i'm getting stuck and i do want to address this before we get too far into the planning. So this is in the stairwell.

We talked about what happens if you throw up. You catch in a box, and you say, what happens if I threw up in this? Now I guess I'm concerned with people fully falling off, like people fully detaching from. Yeah. Oh, falling out. Well, here's what I'll say. I'm not going to say how I know this, but if you use really strong glue it sticks better okay so like if we use straps and we use really strong glue and i'm not really going to get into how i know that they're glued on there

yeah if we like use a really strong glue and a really sturdy sort of like poster board um yeah that's not going anywhere what's attached to the poster board though the person okay but how do you attach them with more so it's glue poster board glue you're not listening to me at all it's glue it's poster board okay so far that is exactly what i said can you just listen to me right now i want to hit here okay here's what it is poster board poster board we've got attached to uh whatever sort of structural with glue okay then we have the straps which we are gluing the straps down to the poster and i can see why you're getting upset because this is literally like

your family's legacy that like you cannot i don't want to talk about that yeah but you you have to i mean i don't have to actually here's what i'm saying it's like i'm saying i don't know how i know it i could know that from some other way giving glue i'm just saying i could know it from another another source okay and so maybe there's some like there's some other way that i would know that so then we're gluing the straps down and then we are tying the people with the straps. Tying the people with the straps. So we're not gluing the people to the poster board. That would be insane.

We're tying them in with the glued straps. The straps are glued to the poster board. Because then we're not having to get new poster board every time we have a new audience come in. But what if they felt like the knots are so good. What if the world ended tomorrow? Okay. But what if they fall, like, the knots are so good. What if, what if, what if, what if the world ended tomorrow? Okay. I guess I've just. You know what I'm saying?

It's just like we can't live our lives in fear of stuff like that. Okay, so they might fall out and we just. We just have to be like. I mean, maybe. I don't know. Things like shit happens. What if you leave here today and there's a ticket on your car because somebody moved it so that way they could park in one of the spots here. You know what I'm saying?

Somebody moved my car into the street. What if? And that's the equivalent of someone fully detaching the knots, untying. It's the same probability. We don't know.

The center hole of a stairwell through the scene. It's untying. It's the same probability. We don't know. We don't know, right? The center hole of a stairwell through the scene. We have so many problems. And then what if they do fall into the scene? What do we do? We use it. We have that box. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? It's like, yeah, you do not want to fall in that box.

We just don't know is what I'm saying. We have no idea to know what would happen with that. And so planning for something that we don't even know is going to happen. I mean, idea to know what would happen with that and so planning for something that we don't even know is going to happen i mean like what is what is acting what is improv but reacting to something that's happening what if instead of yeah instead of straps what if it's like human pyramid what do you mean so like people like you know maybe get like 10 people on the bottom and then like eight people on top of them pyramid style maybe then six on top of them then inside the stairwell i just don't like oh i forgot about the stairwell part of it

what if they're just kind of sitting on each stair thing but what they're sitting on each stair that way they're not there's no danger but where am i gonna go then you're all you're all up and down those fuckers you're just kind of like you're on you're on your Joker shit. You're sort of doing your little fucking dance. But is that how you do it when you did a show at UCB Sunset before you basically took a big TNT plunger? Yeah. My style is a little less. There's a little less movement.

There's a little less. So you are less movement. Okay. So where are you going to be? I'll probably be smack dab center of the stage, maybe a little too far back i don't think you're understanding just like the the physics of this at all and now i sort of feel like i mean vick talk like yeah thank you what do you imagine how do you imagine this is set up well i'm just like so used to i i'm so used to just performing

in the one in the one space so it's hard for me to visualize it okay so improv all over the place is just i don't know if you were the guy yeah yeah no it was tough because we did kind of do it in the same spot all the time and people were like this is actually not all over the place it's this one place often well and after the reviews it feels like people would specifically avoid those places well and this is the thing they the most common review that we got was yeah the improv was all over the place they were not making any sense at all okay they were all in like sort of different scenes it's it felt like uh-huh which was you know who else did it i mean it was me i didn't know you got other people. It was me.

It was Wysocki. It was Distin. It was Montoya. It was all the classics. Sure. All the classics are men. Yeah, but only one white guy. We got to give it up. That's nothing can i ask a question because i feel like we've really nailed down the who and i feel like we've really nailed down the where but i don't think

we've really nailed down like the the what like what are these sets gonna look like because i feel like we come from like three very different sort of eras of performance and so i my fear is that we come on stage and sort of i'm giving shakespeare and you two are doing whatever you're doing yeah but different not the same kind of thing but different different things different but but not shakespeare either yeah i mean so well there's the performance style there's also like how we account for the fact that it's like for the verticality of it. You know what I mean? What are we talking space wise? Do we think are we like the stairs?

Sure. Sure. But I'm talking like length. Are we thinking like it's like a four four by four? A four by four. Yeah. Like four people, four people wide, four people tall for the stairwell. Like what is the physical dimensions of something like that?

For the stairwell. Well, I mean, Matt is pitching that people are sitting on every – I do want to be able to like pack people into this, right? Of course. I want to like sell tickets. Because that energy is just so – you can really feel that. You can use that. It propels you into the next sort of plane.

Well, I guess that we are paying them. So maybe we don't want that and you can use that. It propels you into the next sort of plane. We are paying them, so maybe we don't want that many people to be there. Actually, that's a really good idea. The fewer people we can pay, the more money that we're going to make. That we're making money. So if we just maybe audition some really good laughers. I mean, if we're paying people,

I feel like maybe we do have a right to sort of audition people to come on in and see how they're going to respond yeah we could do we might as well get out of it like Kevin is going to want to be asked yeah Kevin can we hear the laugh real quick well let's give him a second

because like it's so what he'll want to do he'll show up to the audition and want to be anonymous. He wants to win on merit. Yeah. So he's going to give a fake name. He's going to give fake.

Bevan Cartelt, yeah. It's not going to be that. No? No, it's going to be something very different. Okay. And his height is going to be different as well. How's he going to account for that? Is he going to be like on stilts or is he going to look smaller?

It's a self-tape. Oh, okay. It's a self-tape. Yes. Which is crazy because we're only holding in-person auditions. Yes. So that means that his agent's going to have to reach out and be like, hey, let's say, you know, Smevin isn't here today.

Like, you know, whatever it ends up being. And it's going to be like, so we just thought we'd send in a tape anyway like that sort of a thing yes tough yes okay but also let's just get this out of the way real quick it's not gonna be what i said it's not gonna be what vick said hayes what's his name gonna be well he's gonna like he's gonna do he's gonna do it now like i'm not gonna tell you what it is but i I do know. So it's one of those things where he wants to get it on merit, but he wants to get it. Right. You know what I mean?

Yeah. He wants us to be like, oh, my God, you're the best. Kevin. Exactly. So it's not so much on merit necessarily that he doesn't take advantage of the fact that he knows us. Well, where does that leave you? Do we have to hire him?

Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah, we're going to have to hire him? Okay. Yeah. We're going to have to hire him. So, in that point, we might as well just have a good attitude about it is what I'm hearing. Okay. Yes. Okay. I mean, we're going to need, like, basically, by hiring him, we're hiring his dad. We're going to need his dad. Do you think? We're going to need his dad

too? Yes. Okay. Well, I'll bet. For one thing, this is, you know, Bartell of Insurance here, like, based on the number of people. I know we're just taking it as it comes, but people are going to be falling. I can already, from how we designed it. Okay, so we get his dad on board. People are going to be falling down the middle hole of the stairs.

They're not going to be falling. All the way down. Not a single person is going to fall. And again, if they do fall, that's a gift that we use in the scene. Okay. So people might fall. They either don't fall at all or it's a gift. Explain that to don't people or it's again explain that to the auditors I'd happily explain that to the auditors so Kevin go ahead like

you want to do your tape hi my name is P Turr I'm 7-1", Virgo, and here's my laugh. Somebody say something funny, please. What, somebody throw up in this box? Not you, Matt. Thank God, yeah, you're the guest, go ahead. Okay, yeah, so for me, well, what is funny? So I think at the end of the day, I'd sort of start by telling a story

and I'd be like, so my family immigrated to the United States sort of in the early... Kate. So you're going to be in the show. Okay. You cannot be laughing like that. Sorry, I'm in my Fallon era.

And there's so much dust. It was such a dusty laugh. I did the cinnamon challenge before I got here. I was going to say, it smells a lot like cinnamon brooms. Yeah, yeah. Kind of went hand in hand with some cinnamon. So you said cinnamon challenge, but did you eat cinnamon brooms? I ate the brooms too.

The cinnamon challenge is supposed to be powder. It's not supposed to be eating a cinnamon broom. I thought it was just eat as much cinnamon stuff as you could. What other cinnamon stuff did you eat? Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned. Sinned, like C-I-N-N. That's really good. So that's something funny.

Do you have something there for yourself? Can you say that again, Matt? Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned. No. Okay. Oh, no. We don't want. Okay. And I have sinned. No. Okay. Oh, no. We don't want, and I know you do,

like, we don't, we don't want people saying, oh, no. Am I allowed to give a no? During the show. Yeah. Just do it a little better, maybe.

Yeah. Okay. And maybe something more affirmative. And real. Yeah, maybe something like, I know that's right. And the name should

he's like Peter Griffin it's like a funny name he thinks that's what's funny about him that his name is like Peter Griffin yeah so maybe let's take it back from the top and just like normal name you're just a normal guy

my name is Griff in 7-2. Acherius. Mac, can you say the line? Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned. Okay. The O, I missed the O.

So I think it should be like, oh, yes, oh, yeah. Can we get just like a few of those? And also just to clarify, is Griff the first name and In the last name? In is the last name. Yes, that's right. Okay. Could you maybe do it like at the end of the Entourage song? Okay.

He hasn't seen Entourage. He doesn't know. He will agree to whatever you say, but what this is going to be is not going to be like seen Entourage. He doesn't know. He will agree to whatever you say, but what this is going to be... It's not what I want. It's not going to be like the Entourage song. Okay. Okay.

Well, that's good to know. Yeah. My name is... Lo... Is... 73... Grimini... Mac, you say the line, please.

Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned oh yeah it was kind of close it was closer than I thought it would be sure and for a live record of the self tape I'm just going to put this out there I don't think we need a new name every time what was your favorite

I think yeah I think Lois yeah probably was my favorite if I had to pick one. Okay. So I guess you got it. So congratulations. What hours do you need me? I don't do mornings.

Okay, well, this is a huge problem. No, I mean, I think this is mostly a night show because in the mornings, some people do go to work. Yeah, some. People are going to be going up and down the stairs at that time. So we should probably do it at night. Yeah.

Well, do you have any specifics on the books? Or is there going to be a time when you're available? Gosh. Is that mostly what you do these days, specifics? I mean, but it's the holidays. I see. The holidays are dry. And then it's the holidays you know the holidays are dry and then it's MLK

then it's St. Patrick's Day and then it's Easter like Easter is bone dry you skip Valentine's Day yeah are you in love? no why? cause I'm not in love i'm really sorry that sucks yeah it sucks so bad yeah i hate not being in love yeah

that sucks um well i get sleepy eyes after six so a four to five 15 is my sweet spot I get sleepy eyes after six. So a four to five, 15 is my sweet spot. He rubs his, and it's game over because he rubs his eyes. Yeah, no, I've heard it. He's got stuff all over him. He's got stuff all over him. He's always saying, I want to go Mimi's. Yeah, it's really crazy.

And if I'm being honest, we need to keep that poster board dry. Because as soon as we get a little soggy in the poster board, I mean, nobody's going to fall. But if people were going to fall, that would be the situation in which i think people are gonna start dropping it will it will start to erode and yeah well it's like you know you get a piece of paper soggy anything like that and obviously this is dirtier than a piece of paper but um you know but not that much dirtier well you know it kind of depends okay so are we are we married to the idea that the input that we're going to get for the shows is a story about when they went to space? No, that was the show I went to.

That's what you saw. That was a bad show. Bad idea. Okay. I think we go the other way and make it as accessible as possible to people. Ground story. The what? Ground story.

Ground story. Yeah. Yes Ground story. Ground story. Yeah. Yes. A story about being on the ground. Yeah. Yeah. Because everybody has something. Right.

Where they've been on the ground before. Except this particular show. Is on stairs. Is sort of not. They'll be hanging down. I mean, they're like completely not on the ground in this case. And that will save a thing that I've seen a lot of these shows where people will come up and talk about when they were in the audience at that show okay yeah it's like okay well this just

happened there has to be something that you can reach back and and talk about and you remember this can't be the most important i've been in situations like that where your instinct as a as a performer sure it's a sort of like get that information and then sort of lightly make fun of them for being like uh like that's not a story yeah do you think everybody's gonna like that and i'll tell you something they don't like that at all they don't not like it if you're mean to them a little bit yeah the audience they can't take it yeah because everybody that loves improv i'll go ahead and say it is soft they're all soft they're not ready to hear they don't want to hear the truth back at them you know what i mean and it's it's it's uh it's kind of a tough space to perform because that's where i feel like you can really hold up

the mirror to society yeah because you're performing these truths, right? And it's kind of, it's tough because you want to be able to showcase even the, you know, the nitty gritty, not just the- Well, here's what's so interesting about like both of your generations of improv, like one, the past and one, like the way, way past. It to me is like,

now we don't even do suggestions or anything like that. So it's like so interesting to hear. Like for us now, we sort of like come up with ideas and we just sort of like write them down, pass them out. And so we all sort of like are on the same page already and know what we're doing. And I think for me, it just is like much more cohesive improv. So when the audience is talking,

you just aren't reacting to them at all? Well, we've given them what to say so we go to an audience member for them to say yes you you gave them a suggestion well they're getting paid yeah yeah yeah so i think you know it's like and we're not getting paid so it's like we might as well be getting what we want it's a service yeah so um i think for me i found that that's something you're welcome thank you. He said thank you. You sort of had an air of it. Well, I wasn't expecting thank you from you because I assume you served in the war because of drafting.

World War I. Yeah. So thank you for your service, actually. Because of drafting. Yeah. Trench foot. That's what I was like, why am I here? And they were like, because of drafting. I did get did get trench foot which is my foot got shot off yeah

we'll get one more yeah what if you um what if you have an opener that's like too mean to the audience so kind of a bad cop good cop okay this is not so you have a hypothetical opener comes in is really crass, shocks the audience. And then you guys come out and they're like, these are sweeties and nice to us. Well, you're going to be saying, oh, yeah, to the opener. Well, I'm kind of dual doing multiple roles. I'm also director. You're in your clump shit right now.

I'm in my clump back. Yeah. I'm doing crafty merch. I'm seeing sort of a drawer full of wigs that you'reump shit right now? I'm in my clump's back. Yeah. I'm doing crafty merch. I'm seeing sort of a drawer full of wigs that you're pulling out right now. So we're sort of married to that idea? Yeah, we're absolutely married to it. And we have to say yes? We're paying him so we don't have to pay the six other people he's going to be as well.

That's like saving us money, actually. It's a cost saving. That we just pay him we just pay him for being the one guy everyone yeah yeah and his dad and his dad which yeah which and that's like who we actually want yeah because the wigs are like it's it's gonna cause more health okay here's what i'm gonna say needs i don't want to say how or why so please don't ask me um but i have like a little bit of family money okay that i could maybe put towards this show i have two questions that i cannot ask don't ask i'm not interested in answering i won't unless

you have two questions in which case we're gonna yes or no. Because we're going to need like a tall building. And so like that would be huge. And it would be amazing to not have to. Well, that's what I'm saying. Then we could maybe hire somebody real. Because I find that like when Bartelt Insurance shows up, that's when people start getting hurt. Is that true? You know what I mean? We're going to need an escalator.

And it is fast. We're going to need a fast escalator? Is that what he just said that's what he said yeah i don't well then we're gonna have to i mean then we're doing like a demo and a rebuild and that's gonna take so long before we can mount the show yes unless we had a little bit of family money and again you cannot ask questions unless you want to ask two of them, and they have to be yes or no questions. How much of the money is... No. One more question. Is it American or Canadian?

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